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"No wonder the country is in the state it's in if he has time to waste voicing his opinion about a football kit!! " I think it’s got precious little to do with football kit, he’ll be jumping on every bandwagon that makes him appear ‘connected’ from now to till the election. | |||
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"No wonder the country is in the state it's in if he has time to waste voicing his opinion about a football kit!! I think it’s got precious little to do with football kit, he’ll be jumping on every bandwagon that makes him appear ‘connected’ from now to till the election. " I don't doubt that for a second. | |||
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"Keir Starmer must not become Prime Minister at any cost or means" Surely he can't miss that open goal. I mean the "anyone but the fuckers who have driven the country off the edge of a cliff" who else is there? I never thought I'd look back at Blair and major and think they actually did ok. | |||
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"Keir Starmer must not become Prime Minister at any cost or means Surely he can't miss that open goal. I mean the "anyone but the fuckers who have driven the country off the edge of a cliff" who else is there? I never thought I'd look back at Blair and major and think they actually did ok. " Why not the Tories? They've been shitting on the British public for the last 13/14 years and people keep voting for them over and over. | |||
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"Starmer in charge of public prosicutions during jimmy savell case, he didnt pursue?" Come on now - this one's been done to death... | |||
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"Can't stand the bloke personally However anyone who can vote Tory after the performance they shown has got to need therapy Corruption upon corruption with a bit more corruption added to the corruption 40 new hospitals Extra nurses that are already employed VIP fast lanes Shipping contracts to company's with no ships And let's not forget they brought Austerity to pay off the national debt (that's us bailing out bankers) but still managed to make that debt bigger. WTF Who would vote for that " Lots of people. They are extremely well funded and run a slick campaign. They're supported by large sections of the media. They won the last few elections, I don't see why this one will be any different. | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns." If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) " Anyone can be an mp, even the thickest of the thick which is the calibre of the current crop, you just need people to put an X by your name on the ballot. | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) Anyone can be an mp, even the thickest of the thick which is the calibre of the current crop, you just need people to put an X by your name on the ballot. " Precisely my point. We want the best of the best not a shower of self serving shit (SoSSS - just invented a new acronym!) | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) " Can you imagine the reaction if they said... "we are quadrupling mps salaries to ensure we have top quality people in govt to run our country like a well oiled machine"? | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) " Good post. But the whole system needs a shake up. Specifically the way political parties are funded. For example that fella who donated £10 mil to the Tories. Or various CEOs and corporations donating millions. It creates a conflict of interest. We see it in policy making all the time. The government doesn't make decisions that are best for the country, they make decisions to keep the funds rolling in. This goes for every political party. | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) Can you imagine the reaction if they said... "we are quadrupling mps salaries to ensure we have top quality people in govt to run our country like a well oiled machine"? " Ha I didn’t say it would be acceptable to all but IMO that is the way forward. Anything that helps reduce (you will never eradicate) back scratching and feathering of nests. | |||
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"Keir Starmer must not become Prime Minister at any cost or means" What does this even mean lol | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) Anyone can be an mp, even the thickest of the thick which is the calibre of the current crop, you just need people to put an X by your name on the ballot. Precisely my point. We want the best of the best not a shower of self serving shit (SoSSS - just invented a new acronym!)" Paying someone more money does not equate to a better performance. The character of the person is more important. | |||
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"Keir Starmer must not become Prime Minister at any cost or means What does this even mean lol" I suspect the poster is not keen on SKS becoming PM, which is unfortunate given that it is almost certainly what is going to happen | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) Anyone can be an mp, even the thickest of the thick which is the calibre of the current crop, you just need people to put an X by your name on the ballot. Precisely my point. We want the best of the best not a shower of self serving shit (SoSSS - just invented a new acronym!) Paying someone more money does not equate to a better performance. The character of the person is more important." I agree but there are plenty of very smart and experienced people who simply wouldn’t consider being an MP because it doesn’t pay enough. | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) Anyone can be an mp, even the thickest of the thick which is the calibre of the current crop, you just need people to put an X by your name on the ballot. Precisely my point. We want the best of the best not a shower of self serving shit (SoSSS - just invented a new acronym!) Paying someone more money does not equate to a better performance. The character of the person is more important. I agree but there are plenty of very smart and experienced people who simply wouldn’t consider being an MP because it doesn’t pay enough." Who told you that. | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) Anyone can be an mp, even the thickest of the thick which is the calibre of the current crop, you just need people to put an X by your name on the ballot. Precisely my point. We want the best of the best not a shower of self serving shit (SoSSS - just invented a new acronym!) Paying someone more money does not equate to a better performance. The character of the person is more important. I agree but there are plenty of very smart and experienced people who simply wouldn’t consider being an MP because it doesn’t pay enough. Who told you that." Quite a few people actually. | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) Anyone can be an mp, even the thickest of the thick which is the calibre of the current crop, you just need people to put an X by your name on the ballot. Precisely my point. We want the best of the best not a shower of self serving shit (SoSSS - just invented a new acronym!) Paying someone more money does not equate to a better performance. The character of the person is more important. I agree but there are plenty of very smart and experienced people who simply wouldn’t consider being an MP because it doesn’t pay enough. Who told you that. Quite a few people actually." I will say no more. | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) Anyone can be an mp, even the thickest of the thick which is the calibre of the current crop, you just need people to put an X by your name on the ballot. Precisely my point. We want the best of the best not a shower of self serving shit (SoSSS - just invented a new acronym!) Paying someone more money does not equate to a better performance. The character of the person is more important. I agree but there are plenty of very smart and experienced people who simply wouldn’t consider being an MP because it doesn’t pay enough. Who told you that. Quite a few people actually. I will say no more." Good idea. Quit when you are behind  | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) Anyone can be an mp, even the thickest of the thick which is the calibre of the current crop, you just need people to put an X by your name on the ballot. Precisely my point. We want the best of the best not a shower of self serving shit (SoSSS - just invented a new acronym!) Paying someone more money does not equate to a better performance. The character of the person is more important. I agree but there are plenty of very smart and experienced people who simply wouldn’t consider being an MP because it doesn’t pay enough. Who told you that. Quite a few people actually. I will say no more. Good idea. Quit when you are behind "I'm not leaving. | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) Anyone can be an mp, even the thickest of the thick which is the calibre of the current crop, you just need people to put an X by your name on the ballot. Precisely my point. We want the best of the best not a shower of self serving shit (SoSSS - just invented a new acronym!) Paying someone more money does not equate to a better performance. The character of the person is more important. I agree but there are plenty of very smart and experienced people who simply wouldn’t consider being an MP because it doesn’t pay enough. Who told you that. Quite a few people actually. I will say no more. Good idea. Quit when you are behind
I'm not leaving."I hope not! Too much entertainment | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) Anyone can be an mp, even the thickest of the thick which is the calibre of the current crop, you just need people to put an X by your name on the ballot. Precisely my point. We want the best of the best not a shower of self serving shit (SoSSS - just invented a new acronym!) Paying someone more money does not equate to a better performance. The character of the person is more important." But is it.? I personally couldn't give a fuck about their character as long as they are fantastic at their job and could get the country back on its feet or I'd even settle for reversing the current trajectory. Ability and delivery matters, track record of success matters, dog whistling to every minority about the latest trend in self flagellation does not a leader make. | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) Anyone can be an mp, even the thickest of the thick which is the calibre of the current crop, you just need people to put an X by your name on the ballot. Precisely my point. We want the best of the best not a shower of self serving shit (SoSSS - just invented a new acronym!) Paying someone more money does not equate to a better performance. The character of the person is more important. I agree but there are plenty of very smart and experienced people who simply wouldn’t consider being an MP because it doesn’t pay enough. Who told you that." You dont get a halfway decent manager for 80k a year in London. As an example have a look at what the ceo for any of the health trusts are pulling down.? And then the person who is above all of them... The minister for health is paid less than one of their personal assistants. | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) Anyone can be an mp, even the thickest of the thick which is the calibre of the current crop, you just need people to put an X by your name on the ballot. Precisely my point. We want the best of the best not a shower of self serving shit (SoSSS - just invented a new acronym!) Paying someone more money does not equate to a better performance. The character of the person is more important. But is it.? I personally couldn't give a fuck about their character as long as they are fantastic at their job and could get the country back on its feet or I'd even settle for reversing the current trajectory. Ability and delivery matters, track record of success matters, dog whistling to every minority about the latest trend in self flagellation does not a leader make. " The Tories are fantastic at their job. Just happens that due to their character, they don't give half a shit about anything except lining their own pockets, and serving the needs of those who donate the most to the party. So I am in agreement with the other poster that character matters. | |||
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"I agree but there are plenty of very smart and experienced people who simply wouldn’t consider being an MP because it doesn’t pay enough." "Who told you that." I'll tell you that. £86,584 is a good salary, but it comes with constant press intrusion, a spotlight on your personal life, long hours, lots of travelling, and having to be nice to the appalling voters. I wouldn't do the job for that money. | |||
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"I agree but there are plenty of very smart and experienced people who simply wouldn’t consider being an MP because it doesn’t pay enough. Who told you that. I'll tell you that. £86,584 is a good salary, but it comes with constant press intrusion, a spotlight on your personal life, long hours, lots of travelling, and having to be nice to the appalling voters. I wouldn't do the job for that money." agreed. if you work in a largish company, it's worth seeing what level you would need to be to get this. And if this is the level of person you want as an MP. And that's ignoring the fact these peeps probably wouldn't do it for that pay. While many people would say they'd do it for 90k, I'm not convinced those on 90k would. Or those on more would take a pay cut. I'm now wondering what uplift I'd want to make it worthwhile. Would I do it for double ? Make me an offer ! | |||
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"I agree but there are plenty of very smart and experienced people who simply wouldn’t consider being an MP because it doesn’t pay enough. Who told you that. I'll tell you that. £86,584 is a good salary, but it comes with constant press intrusion, a spotlight on your personal life, long hours, lots of travelling, and having to be nice to the appalling voters. I wouldn't do the job for that money.agreed. if you work in a largish company, it's worth seeing what level you would need to be to get this. And if this is the level of person you want as an MP. And that's ignoring the fact these peeps probably wouldn't do it for that pay. While many people would say they'd do it for 90k, I'm not convinced those on 90k would. Or those on more would take a pay cut. I'm now wondering what uplift I'd want to make it worthwhile. Would I do it for double ? Make me an offer !" Then consider a Secretary of State/Minister’s pay or a Permanent Secretary in the Civil Service. They are running organisations with 000s of staff and budgets in the £billions. A comparatively powerful job in the commercial sector would pay significantly more. | |||
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"Both Labour and the Tories need a seriously big clear out of very awful politicians. Sadly, the inept clowns that currently sit on the benches of both sides will be replaced with more inept clowns. If we want better quality MPs we need to: A) Pay them more, a lot more, to make it a vocation/career rather than stepping stone or networking opportunity B) Not allow second jobs or overly generous expenses C) Require them to live in their constituency D) To have lived in their constituency for at least 2 years before being allowed to be a candidate E) Have specific MP accommodation (aparthotels with security) in central London for those not based in London (to stop home flipping on expenses) Anyone can be an mp, even the thickest of the thick which is the calibre of the current crop, you just need people to put an X by your name on the ballot. Precisely my point. We want the best of the best not a shower of self serving shit (SoSSS - just invented a new acronym!) Paying someone more money does not equate to a better performance. The character of the person is more important. I agree but there are plenty of very smart and experienced people who simply wouldn’t consider being an MP because it doesn’t pay enough. Who told you that. You dont get a halfway decent manager for 80k a year in London. As an example have a look at what the ceo for any of the health trusts are pulling down.? And then the person who is above all of them... The minister for health is paid less than one of their personal assistants. " You sound like an elitist, pay them more because they said so, facism comes next in that line along with the brown shirts. | |||
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"The problem that we have with the 2 main party's if not a few more is who is funding them. Oil giants, the Israel lobby, big business and the like - our political folk work for them and not us. Take Nike as an eg a multi Billion dollar company providing us proud British people with a kit for our national team Nike is American Why are we not using sports kit from a British manufacturer ? If we want to be proud let's do the full Monty English kit for England sports teams " In Germany they are having the very same conversation since it was announced that their football kits supplier was changing from addidas to Nike | |||
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"The problem that we have with the 2 main party's if not a few more is who is funding them. Oil giants, the Israel lobby, big business and the like - our political folk work for them and not us. Take Nike as an eg a multi Billion dollar company providing us proud British people with a kit for our national team Nike is American Why are we not using sports kit from a British manufacturer ? If we want to be proud let's do the full Monty English kit for England sports teams " we can't even do that for our passports! And which brand are we thinking ? Umbro is now American owned. Admiral? Bukta ? Actually, that would be cool to go retro. And that would pre date using the cross too ! | |||
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"The problem that we have with the 2 main party's if not a few more is who is funding them. Oil giants, the Israel lobby, big business and the like - our political folk work for them and not us. Take Nike as an eg a multi Billion dollar company providing us proud British people with a kit for our national team Nike is American Why are we not using sports kit from a British manufacturer ? If we want to be proud let's do the full Monty English kit for England sports teams we can't even do that for our passports! And which brand are we thinking ? Umbro is now American owned. Admiral? Bukta ? Actually, that would be cool to go retro. And that would pre date using the cross too ! " Castore? | |||
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"The problem that we have with the 2 main party's if not a few more is who is funding them. Oil giants, the Israel lobby, big business and the like - our political folk work for them and not us. Take Nike as an eg a multi Billion dollar company providing us proud British people with a kit for our national team Nike is American Why are we not using sports kit from a British manufacturer ? If we want to be proud let's do the full Monty English kit for England sports teams we can't even do that for our passports! And which brand are we thinking ? Umbro is now American owned. Admiral? Bukta ? Actually, that would be cool to go retro. And that would pre date using the cross too ! " M&S make a nice T Shirt | |||
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"The problem that we have with the 2 main party's if not a few more is who is funding them. Oil giants, the Israel lobby, big business and the like - our political folk work for them and not us. Take Nike as an eg a multi Billion dollar company providing us proud British people with a kit for our national team Nike is American Why are we not using sports kit from a British manufacturer ? If we want to be proud let's do the full Monty English kit for England sports teams " Yes they should be made of English cotton, from cottonopolis and fashioned into kit in proper English sweat shops. | |||
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