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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls " What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? " Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. | |||
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"I disagree with your views on visa applications rising and the idea they are being dished out willy nilly. Do you have any specific trade / occupation that you feel this applies to?" Lots of sectors.. foreigners on visas can be paid 20% less than UK workers so foreigners are preferred Foreign students can be charged more by universities so UK students miss out on places. Foreign Student's so called "dependants" can get visas Apparently once here can then find ways and means to stay permanently | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial." Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories" Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? | |||
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"The disaster of unsustainable numbers of foreigners piling into the country. How long can this keep on going endlessly" There's a simple solution. Stop reading the Daily Mail/Express/*insert whatever right wing rag is instructing you to fear "foreigners"*. Job done. | |||
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"The disaster of unsustainable numbers of foreigners piling into the country. How long can this keep on going endlessly There's a simple solution. Stop reading the Daily Mail/Express/*insert whatever right wing rag is instructing you to fear "foreigners"*. Job done." Ah right okay  | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs?" The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population " So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. | |||
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"I'd prefer lower and better managed immigration. A large part of this comes from piss poor planning from all sides. Something like a quarter of work visas went to health and care. What happens if we didn't have these? Can you automate care easily? Or would care levels reduce massively? Are there massive of unemployed Brits who'd do this if only the pay was higher ? And are they skilled ? " Specifically skilled when no UK nationals can take the job as s stopgp measure while UK workers are encouraged to train | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. " Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one | |||
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"Well as there's a massive shortage of workers in the hospitality sector due to British nationals not wanting to work in this sector. Brexit resulted in lot's of European workers returning to their own countries leaving hotels, pub's and restaurants woefully short and has resulted in place's shutting down and others increasing price's to be able to offer higher wages. Why not let those people who want to work whilst waiting for immigration status work." In short because in hospitality, the work conditions are harsh and the pay is crap, UK workers won't do it.. Hospitality are happy to exploit foreign workers, and burdon the UK housing, public services etc.. | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one "You seem to be confusing different issues. How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing? | |||
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"The disaster of unsustainable numbers of foreigners piling into the country. How long can this keep on going endlessly There's a simple solution. Stop reading the Daily Mail/Express/*insert whatever right wing rag is instructing you to fear "foreigners"*. Job done. Ah right okay "I suggest you carry on reading them. They are far more willing to slag off their political types than the left media | |||
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"Well as there's a massive shortage of workers in the hospitality sector due to British nationals not wanting to work in this sector. Brexit resulted in lot's of European workers returning to their own countries leaving hotels, pub's and restaurants woefully short and has resulted in place's shutting down and others increasing price's to be able to offer higher wages. Why not let those people who want to work whilst waiting for immigration status work. In short because in hospitality, the work conditions are harsh and the pay is crap, UK workers won't do it.. Hospitality are happy to exploit foreign workers, and burdon the UK housing, public services etc.. " we the public are complicit. We want cheap food delivered to our door. A cheap round at our local 'spoons. And a cheap room to fuck out hot wives in. | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one
You seem to be confusing different issues.
How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing?
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"Foreign Student's so called "dependants" can get visas" The law has been changed recently, and this is no longer true. | |||
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"Well as there's a massive shortage of workers in the hospitality sector due to British nationals not wanting to work in this sector. Brexit resulted in lot's of European workers returning to their own countries leaving hotels, pub's and restaurants woefully short and has resulted in place's shutting down and others increasing price's to be able to offer higher wages. Why not let those people who want to work whilst waiting for immigration status work. In short because in hospitality, the work conditions are harsh and the pay is crap, UK workers won't do it.. Hospitality are happy to exploit foreign workers, and burdon the UK housing, public services etc.. " Bone idle yet gym fit workers shouldn't have a choice. Minimum wage should be more than JSA by a distance. Plenty of jobs out there as the immigrant workforce clearly illustrates and there's nothing racist about it | |||
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"Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population" Surely high prices for foreigners is a good thing. The universities are bringing in money from abroad, and using it to educate British kids. Why is that bad? | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one
You seem to be confusing different issues.
How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing?
Higher education isn't the be all and end all"Indeed. The other chap seems confused about it. | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one
You seem to be confusing different issues.
How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing?
Higher education isn't the be all and end all
Indeed. The other chap seems confused about it."Healcare visas up 90% Dependants of students up 80% Study 70% British taxpayer's money used to cover these extra people plus make the housing availability worse... | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one
You seem to be confusing different issues.
How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing?
Higher education isn't the be all and end all
Indeed. The other chap seems confused about it.
Healcare visas up 90%
Dependants of students up 80%
Study 70%
British taxpayer's money used to cover these extra people plus make the housing availability worse...
"Erm. You mean these people are paying taxes? The government could use it to invest in social housing. But they don't. Spoiler alert. If the government stopped all foreigners coming in. Not only would the tax revenue drop. But they also wouldn't magically suddenly give a fuck about housing people. In the meantime, keep blaming foreigners for everything. Win/win for the government. | |||
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"It is unsustainable " Migration watch says each one costs the country one million pounds over their lifetime. “This means an annual cost per asylum seeker per month of just under £4,300 (a figure which seems to have risen by £1,825 since late 2021). The amount of taxpayer money spent per asylum seeker per month is now 1.5 times the average monthly pay for NHS nurses.” 28 Sept 2022 https://www.migrationwatchuk.org Similar amount to the average total earnings of a working person over 40 years in work. | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one
You seem to be confusing different issues.
How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing?
Higher education isn't the be all and end all
Indeed. The other chap seems confused about it.
Healcare visas up 90%
Dependants of students up 80%
Study 70%
British taxpayer's money used to cover these extra people plus make the housing availability worse...
Erm. You mean these people are paying taxes? The government could use it to invest in social housing. But they don't.
Spoiler alert. If the government stopped all foreigners coming in. Not only would the tax revenue drop. But they also wouldn't magically suddenly give a fuck about housing people. In the meantime, keep blaming foreigners for everything. Win/win for the government. "I don't blame the foreigners at all.. if a country was daft enough to allow people in like that I'd go for it .. It's this shite government and people blinded by the daft arsed ideas | |||
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"It’s cheaper that they all stay than be sent to Rwanda at £1.4 million a head As Andrew Neal told Sunak ‘cheaper to send them to boarding school’ " That's the illegals.. The legal migration will run the UK into the ground... Champagne socialists and years of Tory corruption and self centered short sighted greed mentalitynfrom employers is destroying this country. | |||
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"It’s cheaper that they all stay than be sent to Rwanda at £1.4 million a head As Andrew Neal told Sunak ‘cheaper to send them to boarding school’ That's the illegals.. The legal migration will run the UK into the ground... Champagne socialists and years of Tory corruption and self centered short sighted greed mentalitynfrom employers is destroying this country. " Last time I looked on ons EU nationals in UK, 82% in work. UK nationals 74% in work Non EU migrants in Uk 64% in work. | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one
You seem to be confusing different issues.
How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing?
Higher education isn't the be all and end all
Indeed. The other chap seems confused about it.
Healcare visas up 90%
Dependants of students up 80%
Study 70%
British taxpayer's money used to cover these extra people plus make the housing availability worse...
Erm. You mean these people are paying taxes? The government could use it to invest in social housing. But they don't.
Spoiler alert. If the government stopped all foreigners coming in. Not only would the tax revenue drop. But they also wouldn't magically suddenly give a fuck about housing people. In the meantime, keep blaming foreigners for everything. Win/win for the government.
I don't blame the foreigners at all.. if a country was daft enough to allow people in like that I'd go for it ..
It's this shite government and people blinded by the daft arsed ideas
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one
You seem to be confusing different issues.
How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing?
Higher education isn't the be all and end all
Indeed. The other chap seems confused about it.
Healcare visas up 90%
Dependants of students up 80%
Study 70%
British taxpayer's money used to cover these extra people plus make the housing availability worse...
Erm. You mean these people are paying taxes? The government could use it to invest in social housing. But they don't.
Spoiler alert. If the government stopped all foreigners coming in. Not only would the tax revenue drop. But they also wouldn't magically suddenly give a fuck about housing people. In the meantime, keep blaming foreigners for everything. Win/win for the government.
I don't blame the foreigners at all.. if a country was daft enough to allow people in like that I'd go for it ..
It's this shite government and people blinded by the daft arsed ideas
You think this government isn't hateful enough towards foreigners?
Blimey. "Nothing hateful about it. Where did I say hate? | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one
You seem to be confusing different issues.
How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing?
Higher education isn't the be all and end all
Indeed. The other chap seems confused about it.
Healcare visas up 90%
Dependants of students up 80%
Study 70%
British taxpayer's money used to cover these extra people plus make the housing availability worse...
Erm. You mean these people are paying taxes? The government could use it to invest in social housing. But they don't.
Spoiler alert. If the government stopped all foreigners coming in. Not only would the tax revenue drop. But they also wouldn't magically suddenly give a fuck about housing people. In the meantime, keep blaming foreigners for everything. Win/win for the government.
I don't blame the foreigners at all.. if a country was daft enough to allow people in like that I'd go for it ..
It's this shite government and people blinded by the daft arsed ideas
You think this government isn't hateful enough towards foreigners?
Blimey.
Nothing hateful about it.
Where did I say hate?"Exactly...JTN has a thing about it | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one
You seem to be confusing different issues.
How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing?
Higher education isn't the be all and end all
Indeed. The other chap seems confused about it.
Healcare visas up 90%
Dependants of students up 80%
Study 70%
British taxpayer's money used to cover these extra people plus make the housing availability worse...
Erm. You mean these people are paying taxes? The government could use it to invest in social housing. But they don't.
Spoiler alert. If the government stopped all foreigners coming in. Not only would the tax revenue drop. But they also wouldn't magically suddenly give a fuck about housing people. In the meantime, keep blaming foreigners for everything. Win/win for the government.
I don't blame the foreigners at all.. if a country was daft enough to allow people in like that I'd go for it ..
It's this shite government and people blinded by the daft arsed ideas
You think this government isn't hateful enough towards foreigners?
Blimey.
Nothing hateful about it.
Where did I say hate?"I didn't say you did. The government spreads hate and fear towards foreigners. I was asking, as it seemed as if you want more. | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one
You seem to be confusing different issues.
How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing?
Higher education isn't the be all and end all
Indeed. The other chap seems confused about it.
Healcare visas up 90%
Dependants of students up 80%
Study 70%
British taxpayer's money used to cover these extra people plus make the housing availability worse...
Erm. You mean these people are paying taxes? The government could use it to invest in social housing. But they don't.
Spoiler alert. If the government stopped all foreigners coming in. Not only would the tax revenue drop. But they also wouldn't magically suddenly give a fuck about housing people. In the meantime, keep blaming foreigners for everything. Win/win for the government.
I don't blame the foreigners at all.. if a country was daft enough to allow people in like that I'd go for it ..
It's this shite government and people blinded by the daft arsed ideas
You think this government isn't hateful enough towards foreigners?
Blimey.
Nothing hateful about it.
Where did I say hate?
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one
You seem to be confusing different issues.
How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing?
Higher education isn't the be all and end all
Indeed. The other chap seems confused about it.
Healcare visas up 90%
Dependants of students up 80%
Study 70%
British taxpayer's money used to cover these extra people plus make the housing availability worse...
Erm. You mean these people are paying taxes? The government could use it to invest in social housing. But they don't.
Spoiler alert. If the government stopped all foreigners coming in. Not only would the tax revenue drop. But they also wouldn't magically suddenly give a fuck about housing people. In the meantime, keep blaming foreigners for everything. Win/win for the government.
I don't blame the foreigners at all.. if a country was daft enough to allow people in like that I'd go for it ..
It's this shite government and people blinded by the daft arsed ideas
You think this government isn't hateful enough towards foreigners?
Blimey.
Nothing hateful about it.
Where did I say hate?
I didn't say you did.
The government spreads hate and fear towards foreigners. I was asking, as it seemed as if you want more."He said he wanted to control the border and reduce immigration. How is that same as hate? | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one
You seem to be confusing different issues.
How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing?
Higher education isn't the be all and end all
Indeed. The other chap seems confused about it.
Healcare visas up 90%
Dependants of students up 80%
Study 70%
British taxpayer's money used to cover these extra people plus make the housing availability worse...
Erm. You mean these people are paying taxes? The government could use it to invest in social housing. But they don't.
Spoiler alert. If the government stopped all foreigners coming in. Not only would the tax revenue drop. But they also wouldn't magically suddenly give a fuck about housing people. In the meantime, keep blaming foreigners for everything. Win/win for the government.
I don't blame the foreigners at all.. if a country was daft enough to allow people in like that I'd go for it ..
It's this shite government and people blinded by the daft arsed ideas
You think this government isn't hateful enough towards foreigners?
Blimey.
Nothing hateful about it.
Where did I say hate?
I didn't say you did.
The government spreads hate and fear towards foreigners. I was asking, as it seemed as if you want more.
He said he wanted to control the border and reduce immigration. How is that same as hate? "You seem to have missed a large portion of the conversation. | |||
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"I'll ask again.. how sustainable is 1.4 million legal migrants per year sustainable?" What's the net figure? That's the one you want. Unless you're only interested in outrage against foreigners. In which case, crack on. | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one
You seem to be confusing different issues.
How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing?
Higher education isn't the be all and end all
Indeed. The other chap seems confused about it.
Healcare visas up 90%
Dependants of students up 80%
Study 70%
British taxpayer's money used to cover these extra people plus make the housing availability worse...
Erm. You mean these people are paying taxes? The government could use it to invest in social housing. But they don't.
Spoiler alert. If the government stopped all foreigners coming in. Not only would the tax revenue drop. But they also wouldn't magically suddenly give a fuck about housing people. In the meantime, keep blaming foreigners for everything. Win/win for the government.
I don't blame the foreigners at all.. if a country was daft enough to allow people in like that I'd go for it ..
It's this shite government and people blinded by the daft arsed ideas
You think this government isn't hateful enough towards foreigners?
Blimey.
Nothing hateful about it.
Where did I say hate?
I didn't say you did.
The government spreads hate and fear towards foreigners. I was asking, as it seemed as if you want more.
He said he wanted to control the border and reduce immigration. How is that same as hate?
You seem to have missed a large portion of the conversation."I saw it. None of it says he hates foreigners. Looks like you are imagining stuff and making strawman arguments. | |||
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"Illegal is down but still coming in... Legal.. record numbers of visas dished out willy nilly.. How long before the impact of this disaster will be felt ? And will labour open the floodgates?.. This important view has been shut down by "oooh your a racist" retort lbut suella braverman has been the only Tory to have balls to try to address this.. it's a shame Sunak hasn't the balls What disaster? Why do you mention Labour opening the floodgates? Aren’t Labour irrelevant here? Good question. I'm interested why Labour are being brought into a discussion about a Tory policy. Further interested to know why a reduction in legal immigration would be beneficial. Labour have no real policy and sound worse than the shambolic tories Why does it sound "worse"? What will happen to the job market and to the economy if we don't have enough people to do the jobs? The jobs market would have to pay *everyone* the same rate for a start.. not taking advantage of 20% less rates for foreign workers Universities will have to charge all students the same rate - not be allowed to take foreign students for higher fees and passing the negative impact onto the UK population So we're talking no foriegners in the country at all? Universities will go out of business without income from foreign students. Or will have to charge British students a lot more. Wouldn't be a major problem but they stay here.. and their dependants.. Okay so as long as the universities make a profit the whole UK housing , infrastructure and public services can go to pot then. Good idea! Never thought of that one
You seem to be confusing different issues.
How is your plan of pricing British people out of higher education related housing?
Higher education isn't the be all and end all
Indeed. The other chap seems confused about it.
Healcare visas up 90%
Dependants of students up 80%
Study 70%
British taxpayer's money used to cover these extra people plus make the housing availability worse...
Erm. You mean these people are paying taxes? The government could use it to invest in social housing. But they don't.
Spoiler alert. If the government stopped all foreigners coming in. Not only would the tax revenue drop. But they also wouldn't magically suddenly give a fuck about housing people. In the meantime, keep blaming foreigners for everything. Win/win for the government.
I don't blame the foreigners at all.. if a country was daft enough to allow people in like that I'd go for it ..
It's this shite government and people blinded by the daft arsed ideas
You think this government isn't hateful enough towards foreigners?
Blimey.
Nothing hateful about it.
Where did I say hate?
I didn't say you did.
The government spreads hate and fear towards foreigners. I was asking, as it seemed as if you want more.
He said he wanted to control the border and reduce immigration. How is that same as hate?
You seem to have missed a large portion of the conversation.
I saw it. None of it says he hates foreigners.
"Excellent. Good job noone has suggested that he hates foriegners. " Looks like you are imagining stuff and making strawman arguments." What on earth is this about, have you mixed me up with someone else? | |||
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" You seem to have missed a large portion of the conversation. I saw it. None of it says he hates foreigners. Excellent. Good job noone has suggested that he hates foriegners. " This is what you said " The government spreads hate and fear towards foreigners. I was asking, as it seemed as if you want more. " I am just asking where did he claim he wanted to spread more hate. | |||
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"I'll ask again.. how sustainable is 1.4 million legal migrants per year sustainable? What's the net figure? That's the one you want. Unless you're only interested in outrage against foreigners. In which case, crack on. "  Jeez .. it's outrage now is it?!
What word will you use next?
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" You seem to have missed a large portion of the conversation. I saw it. None of it says he hates foreigners. Excellent. Good job noone has suggested that he hates foriegners. This is what you said The government spreads hate and fear towards foreigners. I was asking, as it seemed as if you want more. I am just asking where did he claim he wanted to spread more hate." He didn't. Good job no one said that he did. Not sure why you're trying to make up some bollocks about me. It's all there in the thread. I prefer your "woke" confusion, and the 'this form of racism isn't racism' material, than this weird new tactic. | |||
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"I'll ask again.. how sustainable is 1.4 million legal migrants per year sustainable? What's the net figure? That's the one you want. Unless you're only interested in outrage against foreigners. In which case, crack on. Jeez .. it's outrage now is it?!
What word will you use next?
Rage, Malice, loathing, fury, ? "Is there a different word you want to use to describe your foreigner based outrage? | |||
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" You seem to have missed a large portion of the conversation. I saw it. None of it says he hates foreigners. Excellent. Good job noone has suggested that he hates foriegners. This is what you said The government spreads hate and fear towards foreigners. I was asking, as it seemed as if you want more. I am just asking where did he claim he wanted to spread more hate. He didn't. Good job no one said that he did. Not sure why you're trying to make up some bollocks about me. It's all there in the thread. I prefer your "woke" confusion, and the 'this form of racism isn't racism' material, than this weird new tactic. " I just quoted what you said - "as it seemed as if you want more" And you are saying I am making stuff up?  This is some low level debating skills, even for you. | |||
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"JTN.. Is it acceptable for UK employers to exploit the 20% cut in foreign workers pay rather than employing UK workers on full wages.? " I don't read the Sun. So I don't blame foriegners for any dubious practices that some employers may or may not use. " Ps. No I don't hate/rage/malice/fury/curse/despise " What's your preference for how to describe your foreigner based outrage? Happy to use another term. | |||
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" You seem to have missed a large portion of the conversation. I saw it. None of it says he hates foreigners. Excellent. Good job noone has suggested that he hates foriegners. This is what you said The government spreads hate and fear towards foreigners. I was asking, as it seemed as if you want more. I am just asking where did he claim he wanted to spread more hate. He didn't. Good job no one said that he did. Not sure why you're trying to make up some bollocks about me. It's all there in the thread. I prefer your "woke" confusion, and the 'this form of racism isn't racism' material, than this weird new tactic. I just quoted what you said - "as it seemed as if you want more" And you are saying I am making stuff up? This is some low level debating skills, even for you."You seem to have scraped through the bottom of the barrel in attempts to have a pop at me. I'll leave you to it. | |||
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" You seem to have missed a large portion of the conversation. I saw it. None of it says he hates foreigners. Excellent. Good job noone has suggested that he hates foriegners. This is what you said The government spreads hate and fear towards foreigners. I was asking, as it seemed as if you want more. I am just asking where did he claim he wanted to spread more hate. He didn't. Good job no one said that he did. Not sure why you're trying to make up some bollocks about me. It's all there in the thread. I prefer your "woke" confusion, and the 'this form of racism isn't racism' material, than this weird new tactic. I just quoted what you said - "as it seemed as if you want more" And you are saying I am making stuff up? This is some low level debating skills, even for you.
You seem to have scraped through the bottom of the barrel in attempts to have a pop at me.
I'll leave you to it."Yeah.. Making a ridiculous allegation against someone and then acting like you didn't make it after I quoted the exact words you said. And I am the one who scraped the bottom of the barrel?  | |||
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"It’s cheaper that they all stay than be sent to Rwanda at £1.4 million a head As Andrew Neal told Sunak ‘cheaper to send them to boarding school’ " wrong figures, totally wrong | |||
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"JTN.. Is it acceptable for UK employers to exploit the 20% cut in foreign workers pay rather than employing UK workers on full wages.? I don't read the Sun. So I don't blame foriegners for any dubious practices that some employers may or may not use. Ps. No I don't hate/rage/malice/fury/curse/despise What's your preference for how to describe your foreigner based outrage? Happy to use another term." Your replies are based on opinionated nonsense rather than logic and common sense..so I'll leave this conversation with you. | |||
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"I'll ask again.. how sustainable is 1.4 million legal migrants per year sustainable?" To me it depends on if there is 1.4 million unfilled jobs that employers genuinely can't find locals to do each year. So the figure will fluctuate yearly depending on these unfilled jobs. What I don't agree with is if the country has say 100,000 unfilled jobs, they let in unlimited numbers. 100,000 unfilled jobs should equal 100,000 legal immigrants who have the required skills for those jobs. They should also get the current rate of pay, not a vehicle for employers to cut their wage bill. | |||
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"JTN.. Is it acceptable for UK employers to exploit the 20% cut in foreign workers pay rather than employing UK workers on full wages.? I don't read the Sun. So I don't blame foriegners for any dubious practices that some employers may or may not use. Ps. No I don't hate/rage/malice/fury/curse/despise What's your preference for how to describe your foreigner based outrage? Happy to use another term. Your replies are based on opinionated nonsense rather than logic and common sense..so I'll leave this conversation with you. "
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