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"There’s a politics area here: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics" What she said. Also, yes, Tories are evil as is anyone who finds them acceptable. Labour is too. Cut from the same cloth. | |||
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"Minimal interference? Jesus, they're telling everyone else how to live by banning shit. Just because rishi didn't get to be a prefect he seems intent on telling everyone what to do instead of fucking off and living off of his millions. They're so out of touch they might as well be living in fucking castles as the rest of us struggle in the shit. "Its power telling us all what to do. I think he is only a puppet though, now we are not a 100% white country they have to try and look modern when they are anything but. | |||
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"I think we are slowly loosing the concept of choice. There is less choice in shops and perhaps its part of it. One day people will just accept that there is one party and forget we once had choice. I think the only way we are going to change things is to get the guillotines out." Vive le revolution. | |||
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"All politicians are self serving scumbags. Regardless of the party they belong to. They don’t care about Joe Public, we are just the cash cow. We are taxed to oblivion in the UK yet they still squeeze and squeeze. Something like 71p out of every £1 earned or spent ends up back in the governments pockets. It’s beyond a joke. So yes, they are evil, but they all are. " I don't trust people in suits. Look throughout history, men in suits are inherently evil. It's a projection of something they are not. Suits are associated with integrity for some reason. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny..." There was once a breed of Tory who wasn’t inherently evil, even if their options on how to best serve the county were diametrically opposed to mine. Johnson changed that. His ‘new’ 2019 intake were the shallowest, most self-serving imbeciles, brought in solely to push through his demands. Low intellect, zero morals sycophants. | |||
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"All politicians are self serving scumbags. Regardless of the party they belong to. They don’t care about Joe Public, we are just the cash cow. We are taxed to oblivion in the UK yet they still squeeze and squeeze. Something like 71p out of every £1 earned or spent ends up back in the governments pockets. It’s beyond a joke. So yes, they are evil, but they all are. " Taxes pay for public services. We can vote for parties who promise low(er) taxes (like the Tories) so long as we're happy to accept worse/fewer public services (see the Tories point above). But on the OP - I don't think the political party as a whole is evil. Some very vindictive and divisive people and policies in there though, imho. | |||
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"Incompetent , crooked yes but evil no not yet x" How many people died in Covid due to money though? Boris is not a fool, this bumbling, stuttering persona he puts on was to appeal to the middle class idiots who would explain his racism as "hah old bean that's just old Boris". He is a complete narcissist and would throw anyone under the bus if he needed. | |||
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"Incompetent , crooked yes but evil no not yet x" Knowing they were condemning the people in care homes to death by returning covid positive patients to them wasn't evil? | |||
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"Minimal interference? Jesus, they're telling everyone else how to live by banning shit. Just because rishi didn't get to be a prefect he seems intent on telling everyone what to do instead of fucking off and living off of his millions. They're so out of touch they might as well be living in fucking castles as the rest of us struggle in the shit.
Its power telling us all what to do. I think he is only a puppet though, now we are not a 100% white country they have to try and look modern when they are anything but."It does crack me up when they have ministers from an ethnic group spouting their nonsense. The grass roots membership and old tories would have them on a boat as soon as possible if they could. | |||
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"Minimal interference? Jesus, they're telling everyone else how to live by banning shit. Just because rishi didn't get to be a prefect he seems intent on telling everyone what to do instead of fucking off and living off of his millions. They're so out of touch they might as well be living in fucking castles as the rest of us struggle in the shit.
Its power telling us all what to do. I think he is only a puppet though, now we are not a 100% white country they have to try and look modern when they are anything but.
It does crack me up when they have ministers from an ethnic group spouting their nonsense. The grass roots membership and old tories would have them on a boat as soon as possible if they could.
"Of course they would! They probably know they are been used but are being well payed for it. | |||
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"They are only out for themselves and their rich buddies! They attack the old and disabled every time. Getting help if you are in those categories is practically non existing. They have to continually struggle to find money. They have single handedly crippled the NHS and do nothing to help. It's impossible to see a NHS dentist now. They are all as bad as each other, lying, thieving cunts. " I agree my family voted for them, many of them are dead in last 8 years or so but it has made me question what sort of people they were. I don't feel I knew them. | |||
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"They are only out for themselves and their rich buddies! They attack the old and disabled every time. Getting help if you are in those categories is practically non existing. They have to continually struggle to find money. They have single handedly crippled the NHS and do nothing to help. It's impossible to see a NHS dentist now. They are all as bad as each other, lying, thieving cunts. I agree my family voted for them, many of them are dead in last 8 years or so but it has made me question what sort of people they were. I don't feel I knew them." The tory party has never changed, they have always put themselves first above all other, punishing the poor whilst rewarding the rich. End of the day, it's all fine and well doing a soapbox rant, when it comes to voting day we need a strong Labour leader who will put the people first and Start claiming the taxes from large companies and actually saving this country | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny..." As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE?" The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil | |||
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"However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. " Define Tory. Then explain why (broadly) people fitting that definition are evil. Then we can agree or disagree. | |||
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"No, not all of them. But the vast majority of at least the current lot. And Johnson made it mandatory to be either evil or stupid or utterly self-interested, or any combination of those, to be allowed any high office in the conservative government." Yeah, think Johnson was definatly the start of it more like Trump an Evil person. Johnson took more of our Freedom away with Brexit will never forget the Tories for this am him. | |||
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"However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Define Tory. Then explain why (broadly) people fitting that definition are evil. Then we can agree or disagree." Can't speak for that person, but in this context, I would understand that "Tory" means the current government, and maybe the previous too, back over the last 13 years. I would say "Evil" could be argued. How many of them actually want to make the country a better place? I presume some do. But then a lot of them see it as either a game to play, a continuation of the games they played at Eton. Or they see it as an opportunity for enrichment and power at any expense. They've left a trail of devastation in their wake. Austerity, huge amount of debt, Brexit, decline of the NHS etc etc. all the meanwhile being able to count on getting reelected from their loyal electorate who seem to absorb the elements of the press distracting them from what's been going on, redirecting their ire to immigrants, homeless people, people who eat Tofu, people who are aware of social injustice especially racism, etc etc. Which is why I'm not hopeful for any change in the next GE. | |||
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"However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Define Tory. Then explain why (broadly) people fitting that definition are evil. Then we can agree or disagree. Can't speak for that person, but in this context, I would understand that "Tory" means the current government, and maybe the previous too, back over the last 13 years. I would say "Evil" could be argued. How many of them actually want to make the country a better place? I presume some do. But then a lot of them see it as either a game to play, a continuation of the games they played at Eton. Or they see it as an opportunity for enrichment and power at any expense. " If the question is "Have there been a minority of evil actors in recent Conservative governments", the answer is yes. If it's "Have there been incompetent actors in recent Conservative governments", the answer is also yes. If the question is "are all people who served in Conservative governments, or who support them, evil", then the answer is absolutely not (this could stretch to 35% of UK voters). All of these can be seen by the fact that the Conservative government and support base has punished bad and incompetent actors. And has been split about it. An argument could be made that any rifts are evil and self serving, but that's not immediately evident. Most of politics is initially well-meaning people who think they know better (sometimes with evil ideals), bumbling around, trying to control things, for reasons of ego, drive, ideology or (rarely) financial self-interest. Very few politicians go in expecting to help their golf buddies. Many golf buddies spot opportunities in weak politicians, though. Some politicians become evil and greedy. For us, the voters, it's all theatre, where we're the puppets. | |||
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"All governments share the fundamental responsibility of governing the country. Labelling tories "evil" smacks of the school playground and not appreciating the fact that decisions you don't agree with 100% of the time need to be made. " Nothing to do with "decisions you don't agree with" it's about their intentions. Are they intending to run the country for the benefit of the people, or for themselves. | |||
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"However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Define Tory. Then explain why (broadly) people fitting that definition are evil. Then we can agree or disagree. Can't speak for that person, but in this context, I would understand that "Tory" means the current government, and maybe the previous too, back over the last 13 years. I would say "Evil" could be argued. How many of them actually want to make the country a better place? I presume some do. But then a lot of them see it as either a game to play, a continuation of the games they played at Eton. Or they see it as an opportunity for enrichment and power at any expense. If the question is "Have there been a minority of evil actors in recent Conservative governments", the answer is yes. If it's "Have there been incompetent actors in recent Conservative governments", the answer is also yes. If the question is "are all people who served in Conservative governments, or who support them, evil", then the answer is absolutely not (this could stretch to 35% of UK voters). All of these can be seen by the fact that the Conservative government and support base has punished bad and incompetent actors. And has been split about it. An argument could be made that any rifts are evil and self serving, but that's not immediately evident. Most of politics is initially well-meaning people who think they know better (sometimes with evil ideals), bumbling around, trying to control things, for reasons of ego, drive, ideology or (rarely) financial self-interest. Very few politicians go in expecting to help their golf buddies. Many golf buddies spot opportunities in weak politicians, though. Some politicians become evil and greedy. For us, the voters, it's all theatre, where we're the puppets." I understand what you're saying, but it does seem like the top tier Tories genuinely don't give a fuck about any of us. Not that they actively want us to suffer, it's just not on their radar to consider the well being of British people. | |||
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" I understand what you're saying, but it does seem like the top tier Tories genuinely don't give a fuck about any of us. Not that they actively want us to suffer, it's just not on their radar to consider the well being of British people." Whether right or wrong, that is a perfectly legitimate stance. Top tier Tories would do well to pay attention if they want to have a hope of winning the next election. | |||
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"All governments share the fundamental responsibility of governing the country. Labelling tories "evil" smacks of the school playground and not appreciating the fact that decisions you don't agree with 100% of the time need to be made. Nothing to do with "decisions you don't agree with" it's about their intentions. Are they intending to run the country for the benefit of the people, or for themselves." It has everything to do with the decisions made that you do not agree with, if you agreed with the decisions being made you would have nothing to be angry about. | |||
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"All governments share the fundamental responsibility of governing the country. Labelling tories "evil" smacks of the school playground and not appreciating the fact that decisions you don't agree with 100% of the time need to be made. " It's always a problem to dismiss a large group as evil. That then leads to justifying terrible things. Let's replace Tory with Muslim, Catholic or Jew. If you find religion evil generally and can point to some evil individuals, then find something you don't like in the doctrine... Then suddenly we can dehumanise a large group of people, which causes all sorts of trouble. We might not believe that non believers are apes and pigs. We might not believe that Jews are entitled to Israel. We might disagree with the Crusades. But we can have dialogue with the individuals to see common humanity and points upon which we do agree. Anyone in the government can be ripped apart ethically, morally, judgement-wise. Terms such as evil are fine. But if someone broadly brushes a large (ill-defined) group of people as "evil", then unless they are committing evil en masse (e.g. ideological and practical Nazis, excluding the likes Ratzinger), such a description inevitably leads to evil. In politics, we can certainly believe that POLICIES are evil. People feel that way about the Rwanda scheme, letting immigrants IN, NOT letting immigrants in, etc. Deciding that people who feel differently are necessarily evil is... Unhelpful, usually. And what leads to identity politics (that's a Tory policy, and I don't want to be THAT) and polarisation. | |||
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"All governments share the fundamental responsibility of governing the country. Labelling tories "evil" smacks of the school playground and not appreciating the fact that decisions you don't agree with 100% of the time need to be made. Nothing to do with "decisions you don't agree with" it's about their intentions. Are they intending to run the country for the benefit of the people, or for themselves. It has everything to do with the decisions made that you do not agree with, if you agreed with the decisions being made you would have nothing to be angry about. " Fair enough, but it's what's behind the decisions that also matters. For me anyway. | |||
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" I understand what you're saying, but it does seem like the top tier Tories genuinely don't give a fuck about any of us. Not that they actively want us to suffer, it's just not on their radar to consider the well being of British people. Whether right or wrong, that is a perfectly legitimate stance. Top tier Tories would do well to pay attention if they want to have a hope of winning the next election." I'm flattered, but I don't think I'll be the target audience for their PR and election campaigns. | |||
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"All governments share the fundamental responsibility of governing the country. Labelling tories "evil" smacks of the school playground and not appreciating the fact that decisions you don't agree with 100% of the time need to be made. It's always a problem to dismiss a large group as evil. That then leads to justifying terrible things. Let's replace Tory with Muslim, Catholic or Jew. If you find religion evil generally and can point to some evil individuals, then find something you don't like in the doctrine... Then suddenly we can dehumanise a large group of people, which causes all sorts of trouble. We might not believe that non believers are apes and pigs. We might not believe that Jews are entitled to Israel. We might disagree with the Crusades. But we can have dialogue with the individuals to see common humanity and points upon which we do agree. Anyone in the government can be ripped apart ethically, morally, judgement-wise. Terms such as evil are fine. But if someone broadly brushes a large (ill-defined) group of people as "evil", then unless they are committing evil en masse (e.g. ideological and practical Nazis, excluding the likes Ratzinger), such a description inevitably leads to evil. In politics, we can certainly believe that POLICIES are evil. People feel that way about the Rwanda scheme, letting immigrants IN, NOT letting immigrants in, etc. Deciding that people who feel differently are necessarily evil is... Unhelpful, usually. And what leads to identity politics (that's a Tory policy, and I don't want to be THAT) and polarisation." I think people like to belong and show they belong, and I can see it in repeated actions and sayings. Statements such as I would never sleep with a tory, being a classic, you hear it once and then again, before long it becomes a badge of honour. It also does make some sense that people who value the group more than the individual, need to be seen to be part of the group. | |||
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"Therefore all you have is a man with an army, thugs who legalised extortion and renamed it as tax." Isn't that the belief of people who vote Tory?  | |||
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"All governments share the fundamental responsibility of governing the country. Labelling tories "evil" smacks of the school playground and not appreciating the fact that decisions you don't agree with 100% of the time need to be made. It's always a problem to dismiss a large group as evil. That then leads to justifying terrible things. Let's replace Tory with Muslim, Catholic or Jew. If you find religion evil generally and can point to some evil individuals, then find something you don't like in the doctrine... Then suddenly we can dehumanise a large group of people, which causes all sorts of trouble. We might not believe that non believers are apes and pigs. We might not believe that Jews are entitled to Israel. We might disagree with the Crusades. But we can have dialogue with the individuals to see common humanity and points upon which we do agree. Anyone in the government can be ripped apart ethically, morally, judgement-wise. Terms such as evil are fine. But if someone broadly brushes a large (ill-defined) group of people as "evil", then unless they are committing evil en masse (e.g. ideological and practical Nazis, excluding the likes Ratzinger), such a description inevitably leads to evil. In politics, we can certainly believe that POLICIES are evil. People feel that way about the Rwanda scheme, letting immigrants IN, NOT letting immigrants in, etc. Deciding that people who feel differently are necessarily evil is... Unhelpful, usually. And what leads to identity politics (that's a Tory policy, and I don't want to be THAT) and polarisation." Except there is a huge spectrum of beliefs that exist within religions that doesn't exist in the Tory party. You can have extremely traditional conservative Muslims and very leftwing live and let live Muslims. No such equivalent with Tories. So yes, it's fine to say Tories are evil | |||
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" Except there is a huge spectrum of beliefs that exist within religions that doesn't exist in the Tory party. You can have extremely traditional conservative Muslims and very leftwing live and let live Muslims. No such equivalent with Tories. So yes, it's fine to say Tories are evil " All parties have in-fighting about how extreme they should be in one direction or another. Some Tories are anti-gay and anti-abortion. Some would die to defend both. Some Labour politicians supported Brexit, some were opposed with their entire being. That's an odd statement. | |||
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"They hounded people on sickness benefits and many many died and some took their own lives,so yes they are evil " Labour or the SNP wouldn't do that? Let them have it, what the hell, it isn't our money | |||
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"They hounded people on sickness benefits and many many died and some took their own lives,so yes they are evil Labour or the SNP wouldn't do that? Let them have it, what the hell, it isn't our money "So you think its ok to hound ppl to death ? The post doesnt mention labour or snp | |||
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"They hounded people on sickness benefits and many many died and some took their own lives,so yes they are evil Labour or the SNP wouldn't do that? Let them have it, what the hell, it isn't our money
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"They hounded people on sickness benefits and many many died and some took their own lives,so yes they are evil Labour or the SNP wouldn't do that? Let them have it, what the hell, it isn't our money
So you think its ok to hound ppl to death ? The post doesnt mention labour or snp
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"Therefore all you have is a man with an army, thugs who legalised extortion and renamed it as tax. Isn't that the belief of people who vote Tory? "Yep it Italy, the yare called the Mafia! | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers" You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? " Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. " To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? " Aye ppl with long term terminal illnesses and found fit for work,murdering evil bstrds | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns " its all easily fact checked,you really shouldnt comment on things you know nothing about | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Aye ppl with long term terminal illnesses and found fit for work,murdering evil bstrds" Unlawful, but legal by the means of legislation. | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns " There were many, many cases when the changes to the fit system were made. Front page news, I find it hard to believe anyone missed it. | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Aye ppl with long term terminal illnesses and found fit for work,murdering evil bstrds Unlawful, but legal by the means of legislation. " Murder in my eyes ,just to get numbers down | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns There were many, many cases when the changes to the fit system were made. Front page news, I find it hard to believe anyone missed it." He never missed it,he comments to get a reaction | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns " That's right. Any information that shows the Conservative government as they truly are, is a hate based conspiracy. | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns There were many, many cases when the changes to the fit system were made. Front page news, I find it hard to believe anyone missed it. He never missed it,he comments to get a reaction " I honestly can't be bothered to go look through the figures and check back on averages, and all the other things that need to be considered over and above, taking things at face value usually leads to ranty people, being ranty... | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns There were many, many cases when the changes to the fit system were made. Front page news, I find it hard to believe anyone missed it. He never missed it,he comments to get a reaction I honestly can't be bothered to go look through the figures and check back on averages, and all the other things that need to be considered over and above, taking things at face value usually leads to ranty people, being ranty..." As usual you get found out as a bullshitting shitstirrer and you run away lol | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Aye ppl with long term terminal illnesses and found fit for work,murdering evil bstrds" They weren't murdered if, as you state, they had terminal illnesses. However, I grant you that if they were dying, they were dealt with by rules that show a lack of empathy. Where does the figure come from and over what period are we talking? | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns There were many, many cases when the changes to the fit system were made. Front page news, I find it hard to believe anyone missed it. He never missed it,he comments to get a reaction I honestly can't be bothered to go look through the figures and check back on averages, and all the other things that need to be considered over and above, taking things at face value usually leads to ranty people, being ranty... As usual you get found out as a bullshitting shitstirrer and you run away lol "Okay, first things first don't get personal and abusive. Secondly I have now took 5 minutes to read up on this from fullfact: "2,600 benefit claimants die within weeks of being ruled fit for work" The Daily Mail, 27 August 2015 "More Than 4,000 Died Within Six Weeks Of Being Deemed 'Fit For Work', Reveal Government" The Huffington Post, 27 August 2015 It was widely reported that thousands of people died within weeks of being found "fit for work" and losing their benefits. This is wrong. Within weeks of ending a claim, not within weeks of an assessment The figures show the number of people who had been found "fit for work", and who died within weeks of their claim ending. They cover the period from late 2011 to early 2014. It's likely that in many of these cases, the person dying was why the claim ended. A claim quite naturally ends when a claimant dies. The data being used here is collected every two weeks for Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) claimants and longer periods for other benefits. | |||
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"Incompetent , crooked yes but evil no not yet x Knowing they were condemning the people in care homes to death by returning covid positive patients to them wasn't evil?" I have talked about this meny times. It was an absolute disgrace but that wasn't a political decision. That was one made by the "experts"... | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Aye ppl with long term terminal illnesses and found fit for work,murdering evil bstrds They weren't murdered if, as you state, they had terminal illnesses. However, I grant you that if they were dying, they were dealt with by rules that show a lack of empathy. Where does the figure come from and over what period are we talking?" To me they were murdered,the figures are easily checked on google and it was over a 3yr period | |||
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Okay, first things first don't get personal and abusive.
Secondly I have now took 5 minutes to read up on this
from fullfact:
"2,600 benefit claimants die within weeks of being ruled fit for work"
The Daily Mail, 27 August 2015
"More Than 4,000 Died Within Six Weeks Of Being Deemed 'Fit For Work', Reveal Government"
The Huffington Post, 27 August 2015
It was widely reported that thousands of people died within weeks of being found "fit for work" and losing their benefits.
This is wrong.
Within weeks of ending a claim, not within weeks of an assessment
The figures show the number of people who had been found "fit for work", and who died within weeks of their claim ending. They cover the period from late 2011 to early 2014. It's likely that in many of these cases, the person dying was why the claim ended.
A claim quite naturally ends when a claimant dies. The data being used here is collected every two weeks for Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) claimants and longer periods for other benefits."Firstly thats not a abusive,thats my opinion of you,and the person dying was found fit for work,and in my opinion that is murder by putting the person under undue stress | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil" Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP | |||
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"Incompetent , crooked yes but evil no not yet x" I see the "incompetent" label being used a lot. This is one I don't really see. Do we have any examples of Tory incompetence? | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns There were many, many cases when the changes to the fit system were made. Front page news, I find it hard to believe anyone missed it. He never missed it,he comments to get a reaction I honestly can't be bothered to go look through the figures and check back on averages, and all the other things that need to be considered over and above, taking things at face value usually leads to ranty people, being ranty... As usual you get found out as a bullshitting shitstirrer and you run away lol
Okay, first things first don't get personal and abusive.
Secondly I have now took 5 minutes to read up on this
from fullfact:
"2,600 benefit claimants die within weeks of being ruled fit for work"
The Daily Mail, 27 August 2015
"More Than 4,000 Died Within Six Weeks Of Being Deemed 'Fit For Work', Reveal Government"
The Huffington Post, 27 August 2015
It was widely reported that thousands of people died within weeks of being found "fit for work" and losing their benefits.
This is wrong.
Within weeks of ending a claim, not within weeks of an assessment
The figures show the number of people who had been found "fit for work", and who died within weeks of their claim ending. They cover the period from late 2011 to early 2014. It's likely that in many of these cases, the person dying was why the claim ended.
A claim quite naturally ends when a claimant dies. The data being used here is collected every two weeks for Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) claimants and longer periods for other benefits.
Firstly thats not a abusive,thats my opinion of you,and the person dying was found fit for work,and in my opinion that is murder by putting the person under undue stress"Being wrong once is okay, doubling down is embarrassing especially when you don't understand a personal opinion can be abusive. I won't carry on this with you, everything worth knowing has been shown. | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns That's right. Any information that shows the Conservative government as they truly are, is a hate based conspiracy. Done any research yourself, or taking it at face value? I'll be 100% honest, I haven't started my research company, been out talking to the families of those who died and investigating their situations. So you're correct in writing off any information about the Tories based on the reasoning that some random bloke on a swingers forum hasn't undertaken research himself. " You didn't care to read the fullfact findings on what is being discussed, I have posted a part of it above? I was correct with my first thoughts that the stats were off, you know when you can just tell? | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns That's right. Any information that shows the Conservative government as they truly are, is a hate based conspiracy. Done any research yourself, or taking it at face value? I'll be 100% honest, I haven't started my research company, been out talking to the families of those who died and investigating their situations. So you're correct in writing off any information about the Tories based on the reasoning that some random bloke on a swingers forum hasn't undertaken research himself. You didn't care to read the fullfact findings on what is being discussed, I have posted a part of it above? I was correct with my first thoughts that the stats were off, you know when you can just tell?" Exactly! The stats were different, we shouldn't ever criticise the Tories. Especially if the cause a slightly different number of deaths that were reported somewhere. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP" My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns There were many, many cases when the changes to the fit system were made. Front page news, I find it hard to believe anyone missed it. He never missed it,he comments to get a reaction I honestly can't be bothered to go look through the figures and check back on averages, and all the other things that need to be considered over and above, taking things at face value usually leads to ranty people, being ranty... As usual you get found out as a bullshitting shitstirrer and you run away lol
Okay, first things first don't get personal and abusive.
Secondly I have now took 5 minutes to read up on this
from fullfact:
"2,600 benefit claimants die within weeks of being ruled fit for work"
The Daily Mail, 27 August 2015
"More Than 4,000 Died Within Six Weeks Of Being Deemed 'Fit For Work', Reveal Government"
The Huffington Post, 27 August 2015
It was widely reported that thousands of people died within weeks of being found "fit for work" and losing their benefits.
This is wrong.
Within weeks of ending a claim, not within weeks of an assessment
The figures show the number of people who had been found "fit for work", and who died within weeks of their claim ending. They cover the period from late 2011 to early 2014. It's likely that in many of these cases, the person dying was why the claim ended.
A claim quite naturally ends when a claimant dies. The data being used here is collected every two weeks for Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) claimants and longer periods for other benefits.
Firstly thats not a abusive,thats my opinion of you,and the person dying was found fit for work,and in my opinion that is murder by putting the person under undue stress
Being wrong once is okay, doubling down is embarrassing especially when you don't understand a personal opinion can be abusive.
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns That's right. Any information that shows the Conservative government as they truly are, is a hate based conspiracy. Done any research yourself, or taking it at face value? I'll be 100% honest, I haven't started my research company, been out talking to the families of those who died and investigating their situations. So you're correct in writing off any information about the Tories based on the reasoning that some random bloke on a swingers forum hasn't undertaken research himself. You didn't care to read the fullfact findings on what is being discussed, I have posted a part of it above? I was correct with my first thoughts that the stats were off, you know when you can just tell? Exactly! The stats were different, we shouldn't ever criticise the Tories. Especially if the cause a slightly different number of deaths that were reported somewhere." and you are doubling down too! You are flying in the face of the reality to support misquoted and misunderstood stats used to provoke people? You have also not read the reply from Hovis either, where it began? This thread is really opening up the reasons why people think like they do. | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns That's right. Any information that shows the Conservative government as they truly are, is a hate based conspiracy. Done any research yourself, or taking it at face value? I'll be 100% honest, I haven't started my research company, been out talking to the families of those who died and investigating their situations. So you're correct in writing off any information about the Tories based on the reasoning that some random bloke on a swingers forum hasn't undertaken research himself. You didn't care to read the fullfact findings on what is being discussed, I have posted a part of it above? I was correct with my first thoughts that the stats were off, you know when you can just tell? Exactly! The stats were different, we shouldn't ever criticise the Tories. Especially if the cause a slightly different number of deaths that were reported somewhere. and you are doubling down too! You are flying in the face of the reality to support misquoted and misunderstood stats used to provoke people? You have also not read the reply from Hovis either, where it began? This thread is really opening up the reasons why people think like they do." So everybody who quotes stats are wrong,but yours are right lol | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns That's right. Any information that shows the Conservative government as they truly are, is a hate based conspiracy. Done any research yourself, or taking it at face value? I'll be 100% honest, I haven't started my research company, been out talking to the families of those who died and investigating their situations. So you're correct in writing off any information about the Tories based on the reasoning that some random bloke on a swingers forum hasn't undertaken research himself. You didn't care to read the fullfact findings on what is being discussed, I have posted a part of it above? I was correct with my first thoughts that the stats were off, you know when you can just tell? Exactly! The stats were different, we shouldn't ever criticise the Tories. Especially if the cause a slightly different number of deaths that were reported somewhere. and you are doubling down too! You are flying in the face of the reality to support misquoted and misunderstood stats used to provoke people? You have also not read the reply from Hovis either, where it began? This thread is really opening up the reasons why people think like they do. So everybody who quotes stats are wrong,but yours are right lol" No that is not what I’m saying. In this instance the explanation of how the stats were manipulated to produce a story that was not at all reflective of the truth, is correct as far as I’m aware. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all " I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns That's right. Any information that shows the Conservative government as they truly are, is a hate based conspiracy. Done any research yourself, or taking it at face value? I'll be 100% honest, I haven't started my research company, been out talking to the families of those who died and investigating their situations. So you're correct in writing off any information about the Tories based on the reasoning that some random bloke on a swingers forum hasn't undertaken research himself. You didn't care to read the fullfact findings on what is being discussed, I have posted a part of it above? I was correct with my first thoughts that the stats were off, you know when you can just tell? Exactly! The stats were different, we shouldn't ever criticise the Tories. Especially if the cause a slightly different number of deaths that were reported somewhere. and you are doubling down too! You are flying in the face of the reality to support misquoted and misunderstood stats used to provoke people? You have also not read the reply from Hovis either, where it began? This thread is really opening up the reasons why people think like they do. So everybody who quotes stats are wrong,but yours are right lol No that is not what I’m saying. In this instance the explanation of how the stats were manipulated to produce a story that was not at all reflective of the truth, is correct as far as I’m aware. " Thats only your opinion of the facts | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns That's right. Any information that shows the Conservative government as they truly are, is a hate based conspiracy. Done any research yourself, or taking it at face value? I'll be 100% honest, I haven't started my research company, been out talking to the families of those who died and investigating their situations. So you're correct in writing off any information about the Tories based on the reasoning that some random bloke on a swingers forum hasn't undertaken research himself. You didn't care to read the fullfact findings on what is being discussed, I have posted a part of it above? I was correct with my first thoughts that the stats were off, you know when you can just tell? Exactly! The stats were different, we shouldn't ever criticise the Tories. Especially if the cause a slightly different number of deaths that were reported somewhere. and you are doubling down too! You are flying in the face of the reality to support misquoted and misunderstood stats used to provoke people? You have also not read the reply from Hovis either, where it began? This thread is really opening up the reasons why people think like they do. So everybody who quotes stats are wrong,but yours are right lol No that is not what I’m saying. In this instance the explanation of how the stats were manipulated to produce a story that was not at all reflective of the truth, is correct as far as I’m aware. Thats only your opinion of the facts" Have you visited fullfact and taken a look at the breakdown, it is very clear, I only added a small section. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP" Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns That's right. Any information that shows the Conservative government as they truly are, is a hate based conspiracy. Done any research yourself, or taking it at face value? I'll be 100% honest, I haven't started my research company, been out talking to the families of those who died and investigating their situations. So you're correct in writing off any information about the Tories based on the reasoning that some random bloke on a swingers forum hasn't undertaken research himself. You didn't care to read the fullfact findings on what is being discussed, I have posted a part of it above? I was correct with my first thoughts that the stats were off, you know when you can just tell? Exactly! The stats were different, we shouldn't ever criticise the Tories. Especially if the cause a slightly different number of deaths that were reported somewhere. and you are doubling down too! You are flying in the face of the reality to support misquoted and misunderstood stats used to provoke people? You have also not read the reply from Hovis either, where it began? This thread is really opening up the reasons why people think like they do. So everybody who quotes stats are wrong,but yours are right lol No that is not what I’m saying. In this instance the explanation of how the stats were manipulated to produce a story that was not at all reflective of the truth, is correct as far as I’m aware. Thats only your opinion of the facts Have you visited fullfact and taken a look at the breakdown, it is very clear, I only added a small section." No i never, but i did check the independent,uk parliament,the mirror and the gaurdian | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns That's right. Any information that shows the Conservative government as they truly are, is a hate based conspiracy. Done any research yourself, or taking it at face value? I'll be 100% honest, I haven't started my research company, been out talking to the families of those who died and investigating their situations. So you're correct in writing off any information about the Tories based on the reasoning that some random bloke on a swingers forum hasn't undertaken research himself. You didn't care to read the fullfact findings on what is being discussed, I have posted a part of it above? I was correct with my first thoughts that the stats were off, you know when you can just tell? Exactly! The stats were different, we shouldn't ever criticise the Tories. Especially if the cause a slightly different number of deaths that were reported somewhere. and you are doubling down too! You are flying in the face of the reality to support misquoted and misunderstood stats used to provoke people? You have also not read the reply from Hovis either, where it began? This thread is really opening up the reasons why people think like they do." You misread. I'm agreeing with you. The Tories are infallible, and beyond criticism. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits?" I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns That's right. Any information that shows the Conservative government as they truly are, is a hate based conspiracy. Done any research yourself, or taking it at face value? I'll be 100% honest, I haven't started my research company, been out talking to the families of those who died and investigating their situations. So you're correct in writing off any information about the Tories based on the reasoning that some random bloke on a swingers forum hasn't undertaken research himself. You didn't care to read the fullfact findings on what is being discussed, I have posted a part of it above? I was correct with my first thoughts that the stats were off, you know when you can just tell? Exactly! The stats were different, we shouldn't ever criticise the Tories. Especially if the cause a slightly different number of deaths that were reported somewhere. and you are doubling down too! You are flying in the face of the reality to support misquoted and misunderstood stats used to provoke people? You have also not read the reply from Hovis either, where it began? This thread is really opening up the reasons why people think like they do. So everybody who quotes stats are wrong,but yours are right lol No that is not what I’m saying. In this instance the explanation of how the stats were manipulated to produce a story that was not at all reflective of the truth, is correct as far as I’m aware. Thats only your opinion of the facts Have you visited fullfact and taken a look at the breakdown, it is very clear, I only added a small section. No i never, but i did check the independent,uk parliament,the mirror and the gaurdian"  | |||
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"2,600 found fit for work died within 3yrs,the tories are not just evil they are murderers You have lost me, they are fit for work but died and were claiming sickness benefits? Found fit for work. That doesn’t necessarily mean fit for work. To be honest I'm not giving this much more thought, it feels very much like one of the stats that drive all conspiracy and hatred campaigns That's right. Any information that shows the Conservative government as they truly are, is a hate based conspiracy. Done any research yourself, or taking it at face value? I'll be 100% honest, I haven't started my research company, been out talking to the families of those who died and investigating their situations. So you're correct in writing off any information about the Tories based on the reasoning that some random bloke on a swingers forum hasn't undertaken research himself. You didn't care to read the fullfact findings on what is being discussed, I have posted a part of it above? I was correct with my first thoughts that the stats were off, you know when you can just tell? Exactly! The stats were different, we shouldn't ever criticise the Tories. Especially if the cause a slightly different number of deaths that were reported somewhere. and you are doubling down too! You are flying in the face of the reality to support misquoted and misunderstood stats used to provoke people? You have also not read the reply from Hovis either, where it began? This thread is really opening up the reasons why people think like they do. You misread. I'm agreeing with you. The Tories are infallible, and beyond criticism." | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits?" was this because of Tory policy tho ? And if so what did they change on their first few months of (coalition) government? | |||
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"I didn’t think, I’m a compassionate person, that’s pure Pavlovian spirit writing. " that suggest you've been trained to think that way. And will now respond that way regardless of if there is reason to or not. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits?" Not sure if that means an MP, party member or voter. Can you just simply say which of those I have listed is your definition of a Tory | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? Not sure if that means an MP, party member or voter. Can you just simply say which of those I have listed is your definition of a Tory" Leroy, the ear hole you are directing your valid question is not working, my suggestion is to try the other one. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation " Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that" Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits?was this because of Tory policy tho ? And if so what did they change on their first few months of (coalition) government? " It was tory policy or they would not have done it,so do you agree with it? | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? Not sure if that means an MP, party member or voter. Can you just simply say which of those I have listed is your definition of a Tory" All,so do you agree with the desicion yes or no | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. " Who says its a better source ? | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits?was this because of Tory policy tho ? And if so what did they change on their first few months of (coalition) government? It was tory policy or they would not have done it,so do you agree with it?" thays not strictly true. Any policies labour had put in place would have continued until the Tories changed it. On the face of it something looks wrong. I couldn't tell you if that was odd the back of a labour policy, Tory policy, or a company not doing what they were told to (and on which case, when did the oversight fail) | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits?was this because of Tory policy tho ? And if so what did they change on their first few months of (coalition) government? It was tory policy or they would not have done it,so do you agree with it?" so many assumptions, firstly anyone who challenges your incorrect interpretation of the facts is a tory voter, is probably the big one. On the facts, no matter how clear and independent they are you still insist on siding with the click bait headline that fed you the wrong story, I cannot help with this any further and should have stopped an age ago. I never learn….. And just an overall observation, I can understand more clearly why media outlets write misleading articles, they have an audience that will lap it up. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do?" Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better?" I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits?was this because of Tory policy tho ? And if so what did they change on their first few months of (coalition) government? It was tory policy or they would not have done it,so do you agree with it?thays not strictly true. Any policies labour had put in place would have continued until the Tories changed it. On the face of it something looks wrong. I couldn't tell you if that was odd the back of a labour policy, Tory policy, or a company not doing what they were told to (and on which case, when did the oversight fail) " Your a hard person to get a straight answer from,it was tories who had the policy and followed it threw,so again do you agree yes or no ? | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits?was this because of Tory policy tho ? And if so what did they change on their first few months of (coalition) government? It was tory policy or they would not have done it,so do you agree with it? so many assumptions, firstly anyone who challenges your incorrect interpretation of the facts is a tory voter, is probably the big one. On the facts, no matter how clear and independent they are you still insist on siding with the click bait headline that fed you the wrong story, I cannot help with this any further and should have stopped an age ago. I never learn….. And just an overall observation, I can understand more clearly why media outlets write misleading articles, they have an audience that will lap it up." The guy said he was a tory voter,fact,that is your opinion of the facts and it suits your veiw ,ive gave 4 articles which i beleive wether you like it or mot | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? Not sure if that means an MP, party member or voter. Can you just simply say which of those I have listed is your definition of a Tory All,so do you agree with the desicion yes or no" So finally we learn that anyone from Tory MP to someone that has voted Tory is an evil scumbag. Presumably this includes all those that often vote Labour but voted Tory at the last GE. Not a single person is exempt from this. As for benefits it seems not as clear cut given what others have revealed about the policy and it's introduction. But in general I would say those who are entitled to benefits should get them. Those that are not should not get them. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. " So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits?was this because of Tory policy tho ? And if so what did they change on their first few months of (coalition) government? It was tory policy or they would not have done it,so do you agree with it? so many assumptions, firstly anyone who challenges your incorrect interpretation of the facts is a tory voter, is probably the big one. On the facts, no matter how clear and independent they are you still insist on siding with the click bait headline that fed you the wrong story, I cannot help with this any further and should have stopped an age ago. I never learn….. And just an overall observation, I can understand more clearly why media outlets write misleading articles, they have an audience that will lap it up. The guy said he was a tory voter,fact,that is your opinion of the facts and it suits your veiw ,ive gave 4 articles which i beleive wether you like it or mot" Who said he was a Tory voter? Your articles are written by media selling stories, some don’t fact check and repurpose without care and others write misleading articles as they throw the sprat. Take your poison | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits?was this because of Tory policy tho ? And if so what did they change on their first few months of (coalition) government? It was tory policy or they would not have done it,so do you agree with it?thays not strictly true. Any policies labour had put in place would have continued until the Tories changed it. On the face of it something looks wrong. I couldn't tell you if that was odd the back of a labour policy, Tory policy, or a company not doing what they were told to (and on which case, when did the oversight fail) Your a hard person to get a straight answer from,it was tories who had the policy and followed it threw,so again do you agree yes or no ?" I asked which policy it was given these cases happened just after a change in government. Why are you so certain it's a Tory policy. How can I answer if I agree with the policy if I don't know what the policy is ? I can say that what happens looks bad for someone and something has gone wrong. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive" You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? Not sure if that means an MP, party member or voter. Can you just simply say which of those I have listed is your definition of a Tory All,so do you agree with the desicion yes or no So finally we learn that anyone from Tory MP to someone that has voted Tory is an evil scumbag. Presumably this includes all those that often vote Labour but voted Tory at the last GE. Not a single person is exempt from this. As for benefits it seems not as clear cut given what others have revealed about the policy and it's introduction. But in general I would say those who are entitled to benefits should get them. Those that are not should not get them. " Yes you get it now so in my opinion all tories are scumbags as they back them ,the benefit question was about taking dying ppl of benefits and saying they are fit to work,do you agree with that?a yes or no will do | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits?was this because of Tory policy tho ? And if so what did they change on their first few months of (coalition) government? It was tory policy or they would not have done it,so do you agree with it? so many assumptions, firstly anyone who challenges your incorrect interpretation of the facts is a tory voter, is probably the big one. On the facts, no matter how clear and independent they are you still insist on siding with the click bait headline that fed you the wrong story, I cannot help with this any further and should have stopped an age ago. I never learn….. And just an overall observation, I can understand more clearly why media outlets write misleading articles, they have an audience that will lap it up. The guy said he was a tory voter,fact,that is your opinion of the facts and it suits your veiw ,ive gave 4 articles which i beleive wether you like it or mot Who said he was a Tory voter? Your articles are written by media selling stories, some don’t fact check and repurpose without care and others write misleading articles as they throw the sprat. Take your poison " The guy i was replying too said he was a tory voter,im happy to beleive the written media,did you not post about articles written by the mail,the huffiting post earlier lol | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. " k honestly dont know how to share links,its on google deaths under ian duncan smith | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits?was this because of Tory policy tho ? And if so what did they change on their first few months of (coalition) government? It was tory policy or they would not have done it,so do you agree with it?thays not strictly true. Any policies labour had put in place would have continued until the Tories changed it. On the face of it something looks wrong. I couldn't tell you if that was odd the back of a labour policy, Tory policy, or a company not doing what they were told to (and on which case, when did the oversight fail) Your a hard person to get a straight answer from,it was tories who had the policy and followed it threw,so again do you agree yes or no ?I asked which policy it was given these cases happened just after a change in government. Why are you so certain it's a Tory policy. How can I answer if I agree with the policy if I don't know what the policy is ? I can say that what happens looks bad for someone and something has gone wrong. " check google for deaths under ian duncan smith | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. k honestly dont know how to share links,its on google deaths under ian duncan smith" The UK Parliament link using that search term is a petition. Not the UK Govts words. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits?was this because of Tory policy tho ? And if so what did they change on their first few months of (coalition) government? It was tory policy or they would not have done it,so do you agree with it?thays not strictly true. Any policies labour had put in place would have continued until the Tories changed it. On the face of it something looks wrong. I couldn't tell you if that was odd the back of a labour policy, Tory policy, or a company not doing what they were told to (and on which case, when did the oversight fail) Your a hard person to get a straight answer from,it was tories who had the policy and followed it threw,so again do you agree yes or no ?I asked which policy it was given these cases happened just after a change in government. Why are you so certain it's a Tory policy. How can I answer if I agree with the policy if I don't know what the policy is ? I can say that what happens looks bad for someone and something has gone wrong. check google for deaths under ian duncan smith" I've just read up on the story. Dec 2011 is the start point or the analysis. So a year into the coalition. There also seemed some finger pointimg at Atos which could suggest it wasn't policy at all. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits?" . That is a truely bizarre comment to make . Sometimes in life it is best to look at the facts. We have a benefits system that helps everyone in need. There are in excess of 500,000 cars on the motability scheme , housing benefit is paid to those in need and the less well off elderly are entitled to a carers allowance in certain cases . In other cases people's income is topped up by universal credit . If you have less that a year to live there is an entitlement to additional benefit. The government have done a great job of looking after the less well off in society for which we should all be very greatfull | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. " Because it fits his narrative.. | |||
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"The government have done a great job of looking after the less well off in society for which we should all be very greatfull The Torys will never be considered the party that looks after the less well off. Unless one of their friends, have fallen on hard times. Quoting motability schemes is laughable. Because you need to be almost middle class to own a car nowadays. Imho. If they looked after the least well off, why are there so many homeless on the streets nowadays? It looks like you need to educaate eyourself on the benefits system and the help given to the less well off. There is no class distinction between who receives any benefit including mobility payments. The irony of being told to "educate yourself" by a person who seems to use the Mail and Express as their main sources. I think the point they're trying to make us that people who vote Tory don't want to hear any criticism of their chosen party. Either that or he's making the point that people who vote Tory don't have any empathy for fellow Brits. " Repetition regardless of the post topic, you surely learnt further up the thread to read before relying? | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? Not sure if that means an MP, party member or voter. Can you just simply say which of those I have listed is your definition of a Tory All,so do you agree with the desicion yes or no So finally we learn that anyone from Tory MP to someone that has voted Tory is an evil scumbag. Presumably this includes all those that often vote Labour but voted Tory at the last GE. Not a single person is exempt from this. As for benefits it seems not as clear cut given what others have revealed about the policy and it's introduction. But in general I would say those who are entitled to benefits should get them. Those that are not should not get them. Yes you get it now so in my opinion all tories are scumbags as they back them ,the benefit question was about taking dying ppl of benefits and saying they are fit to work,do you agree with that?a yes or no will do I answered your question already. I disagree with calling all people who have voted Tory evil scumbags but that is your opinion which you are entitled too. Would you also call anyone who has voted Labour evil scumbags " That wast the question it was do you agree it was ok to take dying ppl of benefits saying they are fit for work ? | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. k honestly dont know how to share links,its on google deaths under ian duncan smith The UK Parliament link using that search term is a petition. Not the UK Govts words. your right i mentioned the first few i seen,and what a out the other 3 do you think papers have given false information ?" This is harder than it really should be  | |||
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"The government have done a great job of looking after the less well off in society for which we should all be very greatfull The Torys will never be considered the party that looks after the less well off. Unless one of their friends, have fallen on hard times. Quoting motability schemes is laughable. Because you need to be almost middle class to own a car nowadays. Imho. If they looked after the least well off, why are there so many homeless on the streets nowadays? It looks like you need to educaate eyourself on the benefits system and the help given to the less well off. There is no class distinction between who receives any benefit including mobility payments. The irony of being told to "educate yourself" by a person who seems to use the Mail and Express as their main sources. The higher rate mobility component of DLA is £280 a month." The total benefit is circa £700 , non means tested and is in addition to other benefits . What relevance does the Daily Mail or Express have . Do you ever mix with or speak to the less well off in society | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. k honestly dont know how to share links,its on google deaths under ian duncan smith The UK Parliament link using that search term is a petition. Not the UK Govts words. your right i mentioned the first few i seen,and what a out the other 3 do you think papers have given false information ? This is harder than it really should be "So you dont want to answer? Nae probs | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. k honestly dont know how to share links,its on google deaths under ian duncan smith The UK Parliament link using that search term is a petition. Not the UK Govts words. your right i mentioned the first few i seen,and what a out the other 3 do you think papers have given false information ? This is harder than it really should be
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. k honestly dont know how to share links,its on google deaths under ian duncan smith The UK Parliament link using that search term is a petition. Not the UK Govts words. your right i mentioned the first few i seen,and what a out the other 3 do you think papers have given false information ? This is harder than it really should be
So you dont want to answer? Nae probs
You should already know my answer.
If fullfact say those outlets printed false or misleading information them I'm going g to believe fullfact, as we all should. When I say all, I mean every single person interested in the actual truth. "and il beleive in whats wrote in the media as im entitled too ,did you check fullfacts for the truth as i couldnt see any mention of ids on ff | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. k honestly dont know how to share links,its on google deaths under ian duncan smith The UK Parliament link using that search term is a petition. Not the UK Govts words. your right i mentioned the first few i seen,and what a out the other 3 do you think papers have given false information ? This is harder than it really should be
So you dont want to answer? Nae probs
You should already know my answer.
If fullfact say those outlets printed false or misleading information them I'm going g to believe fullfact, as we all should. When I say all, I mean every single person interested in the actual truth. and il beleive in whats wrote in the media as im entitled too ,did you check fullfacts for the truth as i couldnt see any mention of ids on ff"You are of course entitled to believe whatever you choose. That doesn't mean what you belive is the truth | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. k honestly dont know how to share links,its on google deaths under ian duncan smith The UK Parliament link using that search term is a petition. Not the UK Govts words. your right i mentioned the first few i seen,and what a out the other 3 do you think papers have given false information ? This is harder than it really should be
So you dont want to answer? Nae probs
You should already know my answer.
If fullfact say those outlets printed false or misleading information them I'm going g to believe fullfact, as we all should. When I say all, I mean every single person interested in the actual truth. and il beleive in whats wrote in the media as im entitled too ,did you check fullfacts for the truth as i couldnt see any mention of ids on ff
You are of course entitled to believe whatever you choose. That doesn't mean what you belive is the truth "You should take a look at critic magazine,tells you alot about fullfact being paid by facebook google and other big tech firms,independent my arse lol | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. k honestly dont know how to share links,its on google deaths under ian duncan smith The UK Parliament link using that search term is a petition. Not the UK Govts words. your right i mentioned the first few i seen,and what a out the other 3 do you think papers have given false information ? This is harder than it really should be
So you dont want to answer? Nae probs
You should already know my answer.
If fullfact say those outlets printed false or misleading information them I'm going g to believe fullfact, as we all should. When I say all, I mean every single person interested in the actual truth. and il beleive in whats wrote in the media as im entitled too ,did you check fullfacts for the truth as i couldnt see any mention of ids on ff
You are of course entitled to believe whatever you choose. That doesn't mean what you belive is the truth "it also dosent mean its not the truth | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. k honestly dont know how to share links,its on google deaths under ian duncan smith The UK Parliament link using that search term is a petition. Not the UK Govts words. your right i mentioned the first few i seen,and what a out the other 3 do you think papers have given false information ? This is harder than it really should be
So you dont want to answer? Nae probs
You should already know my answer.
If fullfact say those outlets printed false or misleading information them I'm going g to believe fullfact, as we all should. When I say all, I mean every single person interested in the actual truth. and il beleive in whats wrote in the media as im entitled too ,did you check fullfacts for the truth as i couldnt see any mention of ids on ff
You are of course entitled to believe whatever you choose. That doesn't mean what you belive is the truth
You should take a look at critic magazine,tells you alot about fullfact being paid by facebook google and other big tech firms,independent my arse lol"Does it tell you why they are being paid by these companies? Full disclosure I have read the article. | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. k honestly dont know how to share links,its on google deaths under ian duncan smith The UK Parliament link using that search term is a petition. Not the UK Govts words. your right i mentioned the first few i seen,and what a out the other 3 do you think papers have given false information ? This is harder than it really should be
So you dont want to answer? Nae probs
You should already know my answer.
If fullfact say those outlets printed false or misleading information them I'm going g to believe fullfact, as we all should. When I say all, I mean every single person interested in the actual truth. and il beleive in whats wrote in the media as im entitled too ,did you check fullfacts for the truth as i couldnt see any mention of ids on ff
You are of course entitled to believe whatever you choose. That doesn't mean what you belive is the truth
You should take a look at critic magazine,tells you alot about fullfact being paid by facebook google and other big tech firms,independent my arse lol
Does it tell you why they are being paid by these companies? Full disclosure I have read the article.
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. k honestly dont know how to share links,its on google deaths under ian duncan smith The UK Parliament link using that search term is a petition. Not the UK Govts words. your right i mentioned the first few i seen,and what a out the other 3 do you think papers have given false information ? This is harder than it really should be
So you dont want to answer? Nae probs
You should already know my answer.
If fullfact say those outlets printed false or misleading information them I'm going g to believe fullfact, as we all should. When I say all, I mean every single person interested in the actual truth. and il beleive in whats wrote in the media as im entitled too ,did you check fullfacts for the truth as i couldnt see any mention of ids on ff
You are of course entitled to believe whatever you choose. That doesn't mean what you belive is the truth
You should take a look at critic magazine,tells you alot about fullfact being paid by facebook google and other big tech firms,independent my arse lol
Does it tell you why they are being paid by these companies? Full disclosure I have read the article.
As have I.
Not sure lovers has though. "I'm not sure either.... from the National conservatism website. "Christopher Montgomery is the editor of The Critic. He was previously a director of Friends of the Union, a director of Vote Leave and ran A Better Choice, the campaign to keep Tory members enfranchised in leadership elections". | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. k honestly dont know how to share links,its on google deaths under ian duncan smith The UK Parliament link using that search term is a petition. Not the UK Govts words. your right i mentioned the first few i seen,and what a out the other 3 do you think papers have given false information ? This is harder than it really should be
So you dont want to answer? Nae probs
You should already know my answer.
If fullfact say those outlets printed false or misleading information them I'm going g to believe fullfact, as we all should. When I say all, I mean every single person interested in the actual truth. and il beleive in whats wrote in the media as im entitled too ,did you check fullfacts for the truth as i couldnt see any mention of ids on ff
You are of course entitled to believe whatever you choose. That doesn't mean what you belive is the truth
You should take a look at critic magazine,tells you alot about fullfact being paid by facebook google and other big tech firms,independent my arse lol
Does it tell you why they are being paid by these companies? Full disclosure I have read the article.
As have I.
Not sure lovers has though. "yip ive read it, and not as independent as they make out lol | |||
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"I know Politics are not something to be talked about as usually leads to arguments. However are the Tories not evil? I have never ever seen anyone say they are not evil. Tories belief that the State, should have minimal interference in the running of it's citizens life. That should be done by the private sector. Now we know that means, a company owned by themselves or one of thier associates. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the Police run by a unregulated private entity that's only answerable to its shareholders. I did not like Labour in the 1990s but we are almost heading towards Medieval Fiefdoms only run by Corporations instead of Normans with the promise of automated tyranny... As per the other thread what is your definition of a Tory? Is it an MP or a party member or someone that always votes for them or someone that mostly votes for them or someone that voted for them at the previous GE? The tories are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags and yes they are evil Does not really answer my question of what is the definition of Tories in this thread. I have voted Tory several times but won't be at next GE. Am I a classed as a Tory or do I have to be a party member or even an MP My definition of tories is they are evil scumbags,that says it all I'm trying to understand if I fit in that category as someone that has in the past voted Tory or to be in that category do I need to be a party member or do I need to be an MP Did you agree with the decision to cut sick dying ppl off benefits? I would not agree that sick people should be taken off benefits, let alone dying people, why would I? I was going down a rabbit hole with you, read the facts and make of it what you want and when you get to your conclusion, contact the correct party for an explanation Ive read the facts from what seems reliable sources,im happy with that Why would you be happy to settle with your 'reliable' sources when you're presented with a better source with offers further explanation? That's strange thinking. Who says its a better source ? Do you know what fullfact do? Have you read any other source ?or just the one you beleive is better? I take it you don't know what fullfact do then? I think most (excluding delusional) people will agree that they are a far superior source than any newspaper, considering they exist for the sole reason to correct misleading stories. So your saying the uk parliment is misleading ppl?il stick with who i beleive You provided the names of 3 newspapers and UK Parliament, you have shown any links as to where this information could be found, if you want people to check then you should provide links. I'm happy to read a link from the Govt if you provide it. k honestly dont know how to share links,its on google deaths under ian duncan smith The UK Parliament link using that search term is a petition. Not the UK Govts words. your right i mentioned the first few i seen,and what a out the other 3 do you think papers have given false information ? This is harder than it really should be
So you dont want to answer? Nae probs
You should already know my answer.
If fullfact say those outlets printed false or misleading information them I'm going g to believe fullfact, as we all should. When I say all, I mean every single person interested in the actual truth. and il beleive in whats wrote in the media as im entitled too ,did you check fullfacts for the truth as i couldnt see any mention of ids on ff
You are of course entitled to believe whatever you choose. That doesn't mean what you belive is the truth
You should take a look at critic magazine,tells you alot about fullfact being paid by facebook google and other big tech firms,independent my arse lol
Does it tell you why they are being paid by these companies? Full disclosure I have read the article.
As have I.
Not sure lovers has though.
I'm not sure either.... from the National conservatism website.
"Christopher Montgomery is the editor of The Critic. He was previously a director of Friends of the Union, a director of Vote Leave and ran A Better Choice, the campaign to keep Tory members enfranchised in leadership elections". "There was a new York post article a couple of years ago were facebook admit fact checker was just lefty opinion. Search facebook admits the truth.   | |||
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"What's not to like about a party which appeals to the greedy and ambitious elements in society? Especially when the alternative sounds like a hard slog for no reward! Tories have got it made as long as human nature stays this way." What is wrong with appealing to the ambitious? | |||
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"What's not to like about a party which appeals to the greedy and ambitious elements in society? Especially when the alternative sounds like a hard slog for no reward! Tories have got it made as long as human nature stays this way." human nature will always stay this way, lets be honest if you have the choice of making someone elses life better or making your own life better 95% of people will always sort them selves out rather than someone else,same goes with voting people vote for what is good for them not what might be good for other people | |||
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"What's not to like about a party which appeals to the greedy and ambitious elements in society? Especially when the alternative sounds like a hard slog for no reward! Tories have got it made as long as human nature stays this way. What is wrong with appealing to the ambitious? " What more proof could I want that I have made my point! | |||
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