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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. " Might as well eek it out until November so they have more time to hide the skeletons and finalise any “get rich quick” and “fleece the public purse” schemes! | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. Might as well eke it out until November so they have more time to hide the skeletons and finalise any “get rich quick” and “fleece the public purse” schemes! " Some MP’s will be desperate to cling to the gravy train - particularly the 2019 newbies who ticked all of Johnson’s boxes in order to stand. | |||
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"If they know they can’t win why would they call an early election? " Damage limitation. | |||
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"I suppose if I was a new Tory MP and I’d bought a £500k, 6 bedroom house in Kirkby, for example, I’d want to eke out the job for as long as I could. That’s just an example off the top of my head, of course "You're misguided on that one. Lee Anderson will do just fine outside of the house. | |||
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"I suppose if I was a new Tory MP and I’d bought a £500k, 6 bedroom house in Kirkby, for example, I’d want to eke out the job for as long as I could. That’s just an example off the top of my head, of course
You're misguided on that one. Lee Anderson will do just fine outside of the house. "Oh I’ve no doubt he’ll get a little gig on GBnews or something. | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. " I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. " Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough 3. That can apply across the board 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something " My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. " 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough " Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. " 3. That can apply across the board " It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. " 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind " Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. " 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it " Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective." When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? Do you have stats to support this? Do you have stats to support this? How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? Because you disagree, it's incorrect? | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. " I think they will go late like November but the result is just being postponed. I did read a theory somewhere that a UK GE at the same time as the U.S. elections could somehow benefit the Tories but not sure exactly how. | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? " No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. " Do you have stats to support this? " I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. " How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? " For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. " Because you disagree, it's incorrect? " Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc. | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. Do you have stats to support this? I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. Because you disagree, it's incorrect? Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc." Doesn't it concern you in any way that a flagship policy in the green fund that was confirmed and reiterated just this morning by some poor chap in front of Kay burley has suddenly been dropped? Don't get me wrong, it's not going to get me voting Tory but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for SKS is it | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. Do you have stats to support this? I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. Because you disagree, it's incorrect? Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc. Doesn't it concern you in any way that a flagship policy in the green fund that was confirmed and reiterated just this morning by some poor chap in front of Kay burley has suddenly been dropped? Don't get me wrong, it's not going to get me voting Tory but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for SKS is it " I'm already not going to be voting Labour, but them dropping the policy does concern me yes, and pushes me further away from considering them as voteable for. As we get closer to the election they offer less and less of an alternative. Barely even "lite" in the "Tory-lite". | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. Do you have stats to support this? I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. Because you disagree, it's incorrect? Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc. Doesn't it concern you in any way that a flagship policy in the green fund that was confirmed and reiterated just this morning by some poor chap in front of Kay burley has suddenly been dropped? Don't get me wrong, it's not going to get me voting Tory but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for SKS is it I'm already not going to be voting Labour, but them dropping the policy does concern me yes, and pushes me further away from considering them as voteable for. As we get closer to the election they offer less and less of an alternative. Barely even "lite" in the "Tory-lite"." We agree  | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. Do you have stats to support this? I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. Because you disagree, it's incorrect? Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc. Doesn't it concern you in any way that a flagship policy in the green fund that was confirmed and reiterated just this morning by some poor chap in front of Kay burley has suddenly been dropped? Don't get me wrong, it's not going to get me voting Tory but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for SKS is it I'm already not going to be voting Labour, but them dropping the policy does concern me yes, and pushes me further away from considering them as voteable for. As we get closer to the election they offer less and less of an alternative. Barely even "lite" in the "Tory-lite". We agree "If there was a shaking hand emoji, I'd use it. | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. Do you have stats to support this? I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. Because you disagree, it's incorrect? Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc. Doesn't it concern you in any way that a flagship policy in the green fund that was confirmed and reiterated just this morning by some poor chap in front of Kay burley has suddenly been dropped? Don't get me wrong, it's not going to get me voting Tory but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for SKS is it I'm already not going to be voting Labour, but them dropping the policy does concern me yes, and pushes me further away from considering them as voteable for. As we get closer to the election they offer less and less of an alternative. Barely even "lite" in the "Tory-lite". We agree
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. Do you have stats to support this? I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. Because you disagree, it's incorrect? Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc. Doesn't it concern you in any way that a flagship policy in the green fund that was confirmed and reiterated just this morning by some poor chap in front of Kay burley has suddenly been dropped? Don't get me wrong, it's not going to get me voting Tory but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for SKS is it " The broad policy scope hasn’t been totally dropped - the green credentials are still there. It’s a move to stop using the 28bn figure in the face of the Tories/media saying Labour will bankrupt the country. Tomorrow should reveal more. | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. Do you have stats to support this? I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. Because you disagree, it's incorrect? Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc. Doesn't it concern you in any way that a flagship policy in the green fund that was confirmed and reiterated just this morning by some poor chap in front of Kay burley has suddenly been dropped? Don't get me wrong, it's not going to get me voting Tory but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for SKS is it The broad policy scope hasn’t been totally dropped - the green credentials are still there. It’s a move to stop using the 28bn figure in the face of the Tories/media saying Labour will bankrupt the country. Tomorrow should reveal more." Broad policy scope  hilarious | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. Do you have stats to support this? I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. Because you disagree, it's incorrect? Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc. Doesn't it concern you in any way that a flagship policy in the green fund that was confirmed and reiterated just this morning by some poor chap in front of Kay burley has suddenly been dropped? Don't get me wrong, it's not going to get me voting Tory but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for SKS is it The broad policy scope hasn’t been totally dropped - the green credentials are still there. It’s a move to stop using the 28bn figure in the face of the Tories/media saying Labour will bankrupt the country. Tomorrow should reveal more. Broad policy scope hilarious "We’ll find out tomorrow, won’t we? I suspect they’re not going to scrap their entire green ambition, put it that way. | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. Do you have stats to support this? I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. Because you disagree, it's incorrect? Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc. Doesn't it concern you in any way that a flagship policy in the green fund that was confirmed and reiterated just this morning by some poor chap in front of Kay burley has suddenly been dropped? Don't get me wrong, it's not going to get me voting Tory but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for SKS is it The broad policy scope hasn’t been totally dropped - the green credentials are still there. It’s a move to stop using the 28bn figure in the face of the Tories/media saying Labour will bankrupt the country. Tomorrow should reveal more. Broad policy scope hilarious
We’ll find out tomorrow, won’t we?
I suspect they’re not going to scrap their entire green ambition, put it that way. "Yes let’s hope they stick to the “green ambition” so we can all laugh when they back pedal on that too. | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. Do you have stats to support this? I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. Because you disagree, it's incorrect? Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc. Doesn't it concern you in any way that a flagship policy in the green fund that was confirmed and reiterated just this morning by some poor chap in front of Kay burley has suddenly been dropped? Don't get me wrong, it's not going to get me voting Tory but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for SKS is it The broad policy scope hasn’t been totally dropped - the green credentials are still there. It’s a move to stop using the 28bn figure in the face of the Tories/media saying Labour will bankrupt the country. Tomorrow should reveal more. Broad policy scope hilarious
We’ll find out tomorrow, won’t we?
I suspect they’re not going to scrap their entire green ambition, put it that way.
Yes let’s hope they stick to the “green ambition” so we can all laugh when they back pedal on that too. "You’ll be leaving the country, won’t you? Wouldn’t want to live under a Labour govt, surely? Isn’t that how it works? You lost, get over it, and all that? | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. " . Cannot win ? How would anyone know that ? The campaign has yet to start. It is best to concentrate your resources on the run up to the election. What matters before an election is irrelevant, the only thing that matters is votes pulled on the day . Jeremy Hunt will be making substantial tax cuts in the budget . Working people will be better off as a result of it. Who wants to have a government who would be intimidated and bullied by trade unions .? Margaret Thatcher defeated the miners , let's hope the current government defeat Mick Lynch. Most people want to do a decent day's work yet we have unions preventing them from doing so. It hsrdly does the economy much good. Why would people not vote Conservative . They won the last electionwith an 80 seat majority. In addition Lizz Truss is back on the scene now and Suella Braverman is prepared to take on the hate filled mobs . The only person to blame for any lack of Conservative support is Rishi Sunak. We had four great prime ministers before him , David Cameron , Teresa Msy , Boris Johnson and Liz Truss . | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. Do you have stats to support this? I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. Because you disagree, it's incorrect? Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc. Doesn't it concern you in any way that a flagship policy in the green fund that was confirmed and reiterated just this morning by some poor chap in front of Kay burley has suddenly been dropped? Don't get me wrong, it's not going to get me voting Tory but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for SKS is it The broad policy scope hasn’t been totally dropped - the green credentials are still there. It’s a move to stop using the 28bn figure in the face of the Tories/media saying Labour will bankrupt the country. Tomorrow should reveal more. Broad policy scope hilarious
We’ll find out tomorrow, won’t we?
I suspect they’re not going to scrap their entire green ambition, put it that way.
Yes let’s hope they stick to the “green ambition” so we can all laugh when they back pedal on that too.
You’ll be leaving the country, won’t you? Wouldn’t want to live under a Labour govt, surely? Isn’t that how it works? You lost, get over it, and all that?"Not for Brexit apparently | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. Do you have stats to support this? I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. Because you disagree, it's incorrect? Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc. Doesn't it concern you in any way that a flagship policy in the green fund that was confirmed and reiterated just this morning by some poor chap in front of Kay burley has suddenly been dropped? Don't get me wrong, it's not going to get me voting Tory but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for SKS is it The broad policy scope hasn’t been totally dropped - the green credentials are still there. It’s a move to stop using the 28bn figure in the face of the Tories/media saying Labour will bankrupt the country. Tomorrow should reveal more. Broad policy scope hilarious
We’ll find out tomorrow, won’t we?
I suspect they’re not going to scrap their entire green ambition, put it that way.
Yes let’s hope they stick to the “green ambition” so we can all laugh when they back pedal on that too.
You’ll be leaving the country, won’t you? Wouldn’t want to live under a Labour govt, surely? Isn’t that how it works? You lost, get over it, and all that?"Not at all, as I said earlier the country desperately needs a Labour government. The sooner the better. | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. Do you have stats to support this? I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. Because you disagree, it's incorrect? Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc. Doesn't it concern you in any way that a flagship policy in the green fund that was confirmed and reiterated just this morning by some poor chap in front of Kay burley has suddenly been dropped? Don't get me wrong, it's not going to get me voting Tory but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for SKS is it The broad policy scope hasn’t been totally dropped - the green credentials are still there. It’s a move to stop using the 28bn figure in the face of the Tories/media saying Labour will bankrupt the country. Tomorrow should reveal more. Broad policy scope hilarious
We’ll find out tomorrow, won’t we?
I suspect they’re not going to scrap their entire green ambition, put it that way. "We found out tonight.. they scrapped it. | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. I don't thinks a forgone conclusion. There's often hope that there will be change, and then there isn't, a lot of Tory voters will fall in line. Plus their slick, well funded PR machine hasn't kicked into election gear. We'll see. 1. Slurs against Starmer. Just look how effective the rhetoric has been already "he can't even define what a woman is". 2. They will promise big change. Have shiny ads with a bright future, people will forget that they have been in charge for the last 13 years doing fuck all for them. 3. There's always the "secret Tory", tells everyone they're voting Labour, and then puts an X next to the Tory. 4. They'll continue the false narrative that Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. They will ramp up the fear of immigrants, they will blame poor people, Muslims, the trans community, etc etc. Boom. Five more years of the same shit. Watch what Pat posts, it says the same as I do, but from a Tory voters perspective. Not so much a chip as the a whole portion isn't it? 1. SKS is unable to define a woman unless I've recently missed something My point exactly, this type of nonsense rhetoric works on potential Tory voters. 2. Of course they will, as will labour. For the record, I believe neither but 14 years of one is enough Labour don't have nearly the same level of funding. 3. That can apply across the board It can, but statistically it's the 'secret Tory voter' that is common enough to have an impact. 4. Twas always thus and I've seen nothing to suggest anything different is on the cards but have an open mind Again, this is my point, before Brexit and before the pandemic, the Conservatives had borrowed more than all previous governments combined. Yet people still believe Labour are the party of borrowing. 5. I doubt there are any more Tory voters that discriminate against these groups than there are labour voters... similarly to how the Tories are viewed as the Brexiteers and not a single Labour voter or MP supported it Of course Labour voters can be prejudice too. The point is, the Conservatives specifically use this rhetoric to garner support. It's extremely effective. When did SKS define a woman? And what was that definition? No idea, I don't care. Something he once said is so far down the radar that I simply don't care. Which is a part of my point. Do you have stats to support this? I typo-ed. "More than all labour governments combined. There's an article on fullfact. "By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together." Also: Average borrowing for each year spent in office. Conservatives: £31.7 billion Labour: £19.7 billion. Source: Tax research The point being, you believed that Labour are the party of borrowing, and you're not alone. How's the £28bn being funded if not through borrowing? For the green fund? I believe Labour just ditched it. But sure, maybe some borrowing. Because you disagree, it's incorrect? Not sure which bit this refers to. Might have answered some of these in the wrong order. It's a pain in the balls on the phone to reply with all the quotes etc. Doesn't it concern you in any way that a flagship policy in the green fund that was confirmed and reiterated just this morning by some poor chap in front of Kay burley has suddenly been dropped? Don't get me wrong, it's not going to get me voting Tory but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for SKS is it The broad policy scope hasn’t been totally dropped - the green credentials are still there. It’s a move to stop using the 28bn figure in the face of the Tories/media saying Labour will bankrupt the country. Tomorrow should reveal more. Broad policy scope hilarious
We’ll find out tomorrow, won’t we?
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"If they know they can’t win why would they call an early election? They may as well hold on and hope that something turns up. Which it might. And Labour are still lurking around in the shadows and relying on the Tories to defeat themselves. Things may or may not change when Labour’s policies (or lack of them) are put under the spotlight. Personally I think the country needs a Labour government and that a Labour government will be awful. Unfortunately it’s a phase are going to have to go through." Because dragging this whole sorry mess on and putting everyone through many more months of political incompetence is not good politics. They risk an even heavier thrashing by ignoring public opinion and hanging on in there for political opportunism instead of doing what is right for the country. Yes, Britain does need a Labour Government of only to dial down the ridiculous populism that has become the trademark of post-Brexit Government in this country. They only need to be reasonably competent to be significantly better than the current Tory government. | |||
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"They only need to be reasonably competent to be significantly better than the current Tory government." This should be the Labour soundbite! | |||
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"They only need to be reasonably competent to be significantly better than the current Tory government. This should be the Labour soundbite! " Pretty accurate though. Right now I think Screaming Lord Sutch needs to make a comeback! Got a good chance of a seat in HoC! | |||
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"If they know they can’t win why would they call an early election? They may as well hold on and hope that something turns up. Which it might. And Labour are still lurking around in the shadows and relying on the Tories to defeat themselves. Things may or may not change when Labour’s policies (or lack of them) are put under the spotlight. Personally I think the country needs a Labour government and that a Labour government will be awful. Unfortunately it’s a phase are going to have to go through. Because dragging this whole sorry mess on and putting everyone through many more months of political incompetence is not good politics. They risk an even heavier thrashing by ignoring public opinion and hanging on in there for political opportunism instead of doing what is right for the country. Yes, Britain does need a Labour Government of only to dial down the ridiculous populism that has become the trademark of post-Brexit Government in this country. They only need to be reasonably competent to be significantly better than the current Tory government." The problem is that they won’t be reasonably competent. It will just be one fiasco after another, no policies, flip flopping about depending on what the media are saying today etc etc. Plus lots of focus on what words people can use. That doesn’t require too much thought or complexity. | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. " 2 faces of the same coin. I will note vote for any party | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. 2 faces of the same coin. I will note vote for any party" Thank you, at least someone gets it hence why I wont be voting either | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. 2 faces of the same coin. I will note vote for any party Thank you, at least someone gets it hence why I wont be voting either" What will you do with the registration form when it pops through the letter box?. | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. 2 faces of the same coin. I will note vote for any party Thank you, at least someone gets it hence why I wont be voting either What will you do with the registration form when it pops through the letter box?. Shred it" You might receive letters with a threat of a fine if you do not comply, I burn those.  | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. 2 faces of the same coin. I will note vote for any party Thank you, at least someone gets it hence why I wont be voting either What will you do with the registration form when it pops through the letter box?. Shred it You might receive letters with a threat of a fine if you do not comply, I burn those. "I probably burn it too however I will be voting in the London Mayoral election because quite frankly I had enough of Sadiq Khan and I want him out | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. 2 faces of the same coin. I will note vote for any party Thank you, at least someone gets it hence why I wont be voting either What will you do with the registration form when it pops through the letter box?. Shred it You might receive letters with a threat of a fine if you do not comply, I burn those. I probably burn it too however I will be voting in the London Mayoral election because quite frankly I had enough of Sadiq Khan and I want him out"Quite right, a good man, a good man. | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. 2 faces of the same coin. I will note vote for any party Thank you, at least someone gets it hence why I wont be voting either What will you do with the registration form when it pops through the letter box?. Shred it You might receive letters with a threat of a fine if you do not comply, I burn those. I probably burn it too however I will be voting in the London Mayoral election because quite frankly I had enough of Sadiq Khan and I want him out"
Definitely we deserve better. Sadly I don't see much potential in any of the other candidates.
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"'the worst day in power is always better than the best day in opposition' " Worst for whom? | |||
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"A May election is on the cards, according to sources (Per reports) However some MP’s are keen to cling on until November. The Tories are in damage limitation mode. They know they can’t win. 2 faces of the same coin. I will note vote for any party Thank you, at least someone gets it hence why I wont be voting either What will you do with the registration form when it pops through the letter box?. Shred it You might receive letters with a threat of a fine if you do not comply, I burn those. I probably burn it too however I will be voting in the London Mayoral election because quite frankly I had enough of Sadiq Khan and I want him out
Definitely we deserve better. Sadly I don't see much potential in any of the other candidates.
I don't think the Tories actually want to win it."They are doing everything they can to be unelectable and the cycle repeats.  | |||
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