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"Labour agrees with Liz Truss? "So it would seem, though both her and SKS criticised it at the time | |||
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"Reeves is a renowned plagiarist. Maybe she has just cut and paste her speech from a Conservative website." All politicians are Good to see Labour admitting to the realities of economics. Don't think it will be enough though but we may be able to fix them yet | |||
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"Always said a fag paper between them, nicking each others policies and forgetting who they represent... Wonder how past Labour leaders would think of the party at the moment?" Benn would probably be screaming!! and that is just their pro EU stance | |||
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"Always said a fag paper between them, nicking each others policies and forgetting who they represent... Wonder how past Labour leaders would think of the party at the moment?" Probably not even a fag paper these days. I suspect corbyn and momentum will not be on board with this | |||
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"Always said a fag paper between them, nicking each others policies and forgetting who they represent... Wonder how past Labour leaders would think of the party at the moment? Probably not even a fag paper these days. I suspect corbyn and momentum will not be on board with this" Corbyn is not a Labour MP so it's irrelevant what he and momentum think really. | |||
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"Though Blair and kinnock would be wanking Though kinnock did campaign to leave in the 70s, amazing what power and money does "And George Galloway supported the EU as late as 2014 before becoming an ardent leaver. People change their minds, sometimes with information and argument, sometimes because it suits their pocket. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought" I’m assuming that most of us here lived through the last Labour government and are more than capable of comparing it to the current regime. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought" Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake! | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake! "Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!? | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?"Well, about 26% of them did. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did."Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year."It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’ | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’"Do you think Labour won't say 'the people have shown what they want'? | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Do you think Labour won't say 'the people have shown what they want'?"And if/when they do it’ll make me cringe just as hard. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’"Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do. Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy."Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
We're not allowed to 'force'."If you add a ‘none of the above’ then nobody is being forced. Other countries have mandatory voting. It’s just one of the changes I’d like to see made to our parliamentary/electoral system. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
We're not allowed to 'force'.
If you add a ‘none of the above’ then nobody is being forced. Other countries have mandatory voting. It’s just one of the changes I’d like to see made to our parliamentary/electoral system."How would you police mandatory voting? Punishment for not voting would be what? | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
We're not allowed to 'force'.
If you add a ‘none of the above’ then nobody is being forced. Other countries have mandatory voting. It’s just one of the changes I’d like to see made to our parliamentary/electoral system.
How would you police mandatory voting? Punishment for not voting would be what?
"That would have to be studied from the countries that have such systems in place. Some have small fines, others take no immediate action but will disenfranchise a voter for repeated failure to vote. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy."Hmm Rog I think you’d best look back at elections over the past 50 years and see how the FPTP system often means you don’t need the popular vote to secure govt. I guess that might be ok if it is your team though? | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
We're not allowed to 'force'.
If you add a ‘none of the above’ then nobody is being forced. Other countries have mandatory voting. It’s just one of the changes I’d like to see made to our parliamentary/electoral system.
How would you police mandatory voting? Punishment for not voting would be what?
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
We're not allowed to 'force'.
If you add a ‘none of the above’ then nobody is being forced. Other countries have mandatory voting. It’s just one of the changes I’d like to see made to our parliamentary/electoral system.
How would you police mandatory voting? Punishment for not voting would be what?
That would have to be studied from the countries that have such systems in place. Some have small fines, others take no immediate action but will disenfranchise a voter for repeated failure to vote. "The most vulnerable in our society being fined because they couldn't get to a polling station? Disenfranchising people, isn't that simply giving them what they want, not a vote? You lose your mind over people needing ID to vote, the above sounds a lot more authoritarian.. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
We're not allowed to 'force'.
If you add a ‘none of the above’ then nobody is being forced. Other countries have mandatory voting. It’s just one of the changes I’d like to see made to our parliamentary/electoral system.
How would you police mandatory voting? Punishment for not voting would be what?
Spending a month reading every single post in the politics forum on Fab should do it!"That is a tough punishment, show some mercy | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
We're not allowed to 'force'.
If you add a ‘none of the above’ then nobody is being forced. Other countries have mandatory voting. It’s just one of the changes I’d like to see made to our parliamentary/electoral system.
How would you police mandatory voting? Punishment for not voting would be what?
That would have to be studied from the countries that have such systems in place. Some have small fines, others take no immediate action but will disenfranchise a voter for repeated failure to vote.
The most vulnerable in our society being fined because they couldn't get to a polling station?
Disenfranchising people, isn't that simply giving them what they want, not a vote?
You lose your mind over people needing ID to vote, the above sounds a lot more authoritarian.. "I didn’t lose my mind over people needing ID to vote, I pointed out that the system chosen impacted some quarters of society more than others (as backed up by data) - You’re still very fond of misreading stuff, aren’t you? The fact is that we can accept voter turnout is going to be appalling forever, or we can try to change things, and when you’re looking at change, you have to consider everything. Toal things, see what works. | |||
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"But Labour back then under Tony Blair is comepletly different to the current Labour Party under Starmer and not in a good way Im afraid" Hold on, don't burst my bubble! I thought he meant Blair and Brown were coming back or the DeLorean time machine really is a thing. | |||
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"But Labour back then under Tony Blair is comepletly different to the current Labour Party under Starmer and not in a good way Im afraid Hold on, don't burst my bubble! I thought he meant Blair and Brown were coming back or the DeLorean time machine really is a thing." No, we’re not that lucky. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
We're not allowed to 'force'.
If you add a ‘none of the above’ then nobody is being forced. Other countries have mandatory voting. It’s just one of the changes I’d like to see made to our parliamentary/electoral system.
How would you police mandatory voting? Punishment for not voting would be what?
That would have to be studied from the countries that have such systems in place. Some have small fines, others take no immediate action but will disenfranchise a voter for repeated failure to vote.
The most vulnerable in our society being fined because they couldn't get to a polling station?
Disenfranchising people, isn't that simply giving them what they want, not a vote?
You lose your mind over people needing ID to vote, the above sounds a lot more authoritarian..
I didn’t lose my mind over people needing ID to vote, I pointed out that the system chosen impacted some quarters of society more than others (as backed up by data) - You’re still very fond of misreading stuff, aren’t you?
The fact is that we can accept voter turnout is going to be appalling forever, or we can try to change things, and when you’re looking at change, you have to consider everything. Toal things, see what works.
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Hmm Rog I think you’d best look back at elections over the past 50 years and see how the FPTP system often means you don’t need the popular vote to secure govt. I guess that might be ok if it is your team though?"Not at all. Everything changed in 2016. Up to then the loser shook the winner’s hand, accepted the result, wished the winner good luck and engaged in a period of self analysis and reflection. In 2016 the losers blamed defeat on everyone else, accused the winners of being criminals, Russian puppets, liars etc. and demanded forever reruns until they won. Unfortunately it was the tipping point in a common acceptance of how the electoral process works. Now it’s open season on any election “winner”. Labour is going to be no different. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Hmm Rog I think you’d best look back at elections over the past 50 years and see how the FPTP system often means you don’t need the popular vote to secure govt. I guess that might be ok if it is your team though?
Not at all. Everything changed in 2016.
Up to then the loser shook the winner’s hand, accepted the result, wished the winner good luck and engaged in a period of self analysis and reflection.
In 2016 the losers blamed defeat on everyone else, accused the winners of being criminals, Russian puppets, liars etc. and demanded forever reruns until they won.
Unfortunately it was the tipping point in a common acceptance of how the electoral process works. Now it’s open season on any election “winner”. Labour is going to be no different."Well, history is written by the victors, I guess. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
We're not allowed to 'force'.
If you add a ‘none of the above’ then nobody is being forced. Other countries have mandatory voting. It’s just one of the changes I’d like to see made to our parliamentary/electoral system.
How would you police mandatory voting? Punishment for not voting would be what?
Spending a month reading every single post in the politics forum on Fab should do it!
That is a tough punishment, show some mercy "Second time offenders have to write an essay explaining how the politics forum views actually facilitate or shut down debate! | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Hmm Rog I think you’d best look back at elections over the past 50 years and see how the FPTP system often means you don’t need the popular vote to secure govt. I guess that might be ok if it is your team though?
Not at all. Everything changed in 2016.
Up to then the loser shook the winner’s hand, accepted the result, wished the winner good luck and engaged in a period of self analysis and reflection.
In 2016 the losers blamed defeat on everyone else, accused the winners of being criminals, Russian puppets, liars etc. and demanded forever reruns until they won.
Unfortunately it was the tipping point in a common acceptance of how the electoral process works. Now it’s open season on any election “winner”. Labour is going to be no different."Thought we were talking about a General Election not an advisory referendum that did not legally have to be enacted (couldn’t resist). Get over it Rog. You won! How sweet is that smell of victory? | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Hmm Rog I think you’d best look back at elections over the past 50 years and see how the FPTP system often means you don’t need the popular vote to secure govt. I guess that might be ok if it is your team though?
Not at all. Everything changed in 2016.
Up to then the loser shook the winner’s hand, accepted the result, wished the winner good luck and engaged in a period of self analysis and reflection.
In 2016 the losers blamed defeat on everyone else, accused the winners of being criminals, Russian puppets, liars etc. and demanded forever reruns until they won.
Unfortunately it was the tipping point in a common acceptance of how the electoral process works. Now it’s open season on any election “winner”. Labour is going to be no different.
Thought we were talking about a General Election not an advisory referendum that did not legally have to be enacted (couldn’t resist). Get over it Rog. You won! How sweet is that smell of victory?"Yes it’s great thanks, I may crack open some more English sparkling wine tonight after seeing some more Remoaner tears on here. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Hmm Rog I think you’d best look back at elections over the past 50 years and see how the FPTP system often means you don’t need the popular vote to secure govt. I guess that might be ok if it is your team though?
Not at all. Everything changed in 2016.
Up to then the loser shook the winner’s hand, accepted the result, wished the winner good luck and engaged in a period of self analysis and reflection.
In 2016 the losers blamed defeat on everyone else, accused the winners of being criminals, Russian puppets, liars etc. and demanded forever reruns until they won.
Unfortunately it was the tipping point in a common acceptance of how the electoral process works. Now it’s open season on any election “winner”. Labour is going to be no different.
Thought we were talking about a General Election not an advisory referendum that did not legally have to be enacted (couldn’t resist). Get over it Rog. You won! How sweet is that smell of victory?
Yes it’s great thanks, I may crack open some more English sparkling wine tonight after seeing some more Remoaner tears on here."Careful now, that stuff’s considerably more expensive these days. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Hmm Rog I think you’d best look back at elections over the past 50 years and see how the FPTP system often means you don’t need the popular vote to secure govt. I guess that might be ok if it is your team though?
Not at all. Everything changed in 2016.
Up to then the loser shook the winner’s hand, accepted the result, wished the winner good luck and engaged in a period of self analysis and reflection.
In 2016 the losers blamed defeat on everyone else, accused the winners of being criminals, Russian puppets, liars etc. and demanded forever reruns until they won.
Unfortunately it was the tipping point in a common acceptance of how the electoral process works. Now it’s open season on any election “winner”. Labour is going to be no different.
Thought we were talking about a General Election not an advisory referendum that did not legally have to be enacted (couldn’t resist). Get over it Rog. You won! How sweet is that smell of victory?
Yes it’s great thanks, I may crack open some more English sparkling wine tonight after seeing some more Remoaner tears on here."Didn’t you drink English sparkling wine before brexit? It’s pretty good. Several great vineyards round our way. Tad pricey though. Personally still prefer Tattinger Rose and Bollinger Rose. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Hmm Rog I think you’d best look back at elections over the past 50 years and see how the FPTP system often means you don’t need the popular vote to secure govt. I guess that might be ok if it is your team though?
Not at all. Everything changed in 2016.
Up to then the loser shook the winner’s hand, accepted the result, wished the winner good luck and engaged in a period of self analysis and reflection.
In 2016 the losers blamed defeat on everyone else, accused the winners of being criminals, Russian puppets, liars etc. and demanded forever reruns until they won.
Unfortunately it was the tipping point in a common acceptance of how the electoral process works. Now it’s open season on any election “winner”. Labour is going to be no different.
Thought we were talking about a General Election not an advisory referendum that did not legally have to be enacted (couldn’t resist). Get over it Rog. You won! How sweet is that smell of victory?
Yes it’s great thanks, I may crack open some more English sparkling wine tonight after seeing some more Remoaner tears on here.
Didn’t you drink English sparkling wine before brexit? It’s pretty good. Several great vineyards round our way. Tad pricey though. Personally still prefer Tattinger Rose and Bollinger Rose."You drink that stuff out off a dainty glass that makes your lickle finger stick out dont you?. Never had that problem with cider.  | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Hmm Rog I think you’d best look back at elections over the past 50 years and see how the FPTP system often means you don’t need the popular vote to secure govt. I guess that might be ok if it is your team though?
Not at all. Everything changed in 2016.
Up to then the loser shook the winner’s hand, accepted the result, wished the winner good luck and engaged in a period of self analysis and reflection.
In 2016 the losers blamed defeat on everyone else, accused the winners of being criminals, Russian puppets, liars etc. and demanded forever reruns until they won.
Unfortunately it was the tipping point in a common acceptance of how the electoral process works. Now it’s open season on any election “winner”. Labour is going to be no different.
Thought we were talking about a General Election not an advisory referendum that did not legally have to be enacted (couldn’t resist). Get over it Rog. You won! How sweet is that smell of victory?
Yes it’s great thanks, I may crack open some more English sparkling wine tonight after seeing some more Remoaner tears on here.
Didn’t you drink English sparkling wine before brexit? It’s pretty good. Several great vineyards round our way. Tad pricey though. Personally still prefer Tattinger Rose and Bollinger Rose."Pfff! Dom Perignon 2009, but if I'm cutting back on the outgoings Dom Perignon 2012 | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Hmm Rog I think you’d best look back at elections over the past 50 years and see how the FPTP system often means you don’t need the popular vote to secure govt. I guess that might be ok if it is your team though?
Not at all. Everything changed in 2016.
Up to then the loser shook the winner’s hand, accepted the result, wished the winner good luck and engaged in a period of self analysis and reflection.
In 2016 the losers blamed defeat on everyone else, accused the winners of being criminals, Russian puppets, liars etc. and demanded forever reruns until they won.
Unfortunately it was the tipping point in a common acceptance of how the electoral process works. Now it’s open season on any election “winner”. Labour is going to be no different.
Thought we were talking about a General Election not an advisory referendum that did not legally have to be enacted (couldn’t resist). Get over it Rog. You won! How sweet is that smell of victory?
Yes it’s great thanks, I may crack open some more English sparkling wine tonight after seeing some more Remoaner tears on here.
Didn’t you drink English sparkling wine before brexit? It’s pretty good. Several great vineyards round our way. Tad pricey though. Personally still prefer Tattinger Rose and Bollinger Rose."Yes indeed so, English wine is making great leaps forward and is of course benefiting from climate change. I drink French wine too even though they are the enemy. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Hmm Rog I think you’d best look back at elections over the past 50 years and see how the FPTP system often means you don’t need the popular vote to secure govt. I guess that might be ok if it is your team though?
Not at all. Everything changed in 2016.
Up to then the loser shook the winner’s hand, accepted the result, wished the winner good luck and engaged in a period of self analysis and reflection.
In 2016 the losers blamed defeat on everyone else, accused the winners of being criminals, Russian puppets, liars etc. and demanded forever reruns until they won.
Unfortunately it was the tipping point in a common acceptance of how the electoral process works. Now it’s open season on any election “winner”. Labour is going to be no different.
Thought we were talking about a General Election not an advisory referendum that did not legally have to be enacted (couldn’t resist). Get over it Rog. You won! How sweet is that smell of victory?
Yes it’s great thanks, I may crack open some more English sparkling wine tonight after seeing some more Remoaner tears on here.
Didn’t you drink English sparkling wine before brexit? It’s pretty good. Several great vineyards round our way. Tad pricey though. Personally still prefer Tattinger Rose and Bollinger Rose.
You drink that stuff out off a dainty glass that makes your lickle finger stick out dont you?.
Never had that problem with cider. "Dainty glasses depends on how trendy the restaurant is (or what we have washed up) but never stick the pinky out cos you look like a wanker | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Hmm Rog I think you’d best look back at elections over the past 50 years and see how the FPTP system often means you don’t need the popular vote to secure govt. I guess that might be ok if it is your team though?
Not at all. Everything changed in 2016.
Up to then the loser shook the winner’s hand, accepted the result, wished the winner good luck and engaged in a period of self analysis and reflection.
In 2016 the losers blamed defeat on everyone else, accused the winners of being criminals, Russian puppets, liars etc. and demanded forever reruns until they won.
Unfortunately it was the tipping point in a common acceptance of how the electoral process works. Now it’s open season on any election “winner”. Labour is going to be no different.
Thought we were talking about a General Election not an advisory referendum that did not legally have to be enacted (couldn’t resist). Get over it Rog. You won! How sweet is that smell of victory?
Yes it’s great thanks, I may crack open some more English sparkling wine tonight after seeing some more Remoaner tears on here.
Didn’t you drink English sparkling wine before brexit? It’s pretty good. Several great vineyards round our way. Tad pricey though. Personally still prefer Tattinger Rose and Bollinger Rose.
Pfff! Dom Perignon 2009, but if I'm cutting back on the outgoings Dom Perignon 2012"Lol like me a bit of vintage but honestly prefer taste of Tattinger and Bollinger to DP (stop sniggering at the back, different DP) | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Hmm Rog I think you’d best look back at elections over the past 50 years and see how the FPTP system often means you don’t need the popular vote to secure govt. I guess that might be ok if it is your team though?
Not at all. Everything changed in 2016.
Up to then the loser shook the winner’s hand, accepted the result, wished the winner good luck and engaged in a period of self analysis and reflection.
In 2016 the losers blamed defeat on everyone else, accused the winners of being criminals, Russian puppets, liars etc. and demanded forever reruns until they won.
Unfortunately it was the tipping point in a common acceptance of how the electoral process works. Now it’s open season on any election “winner”. Labour is going to be no different.
Thought we were talking about a General Election not an advisory referendum that did not legally have to be enacted (couldn’t resist). Get over it Rog. You won! How sweet is that smell of victory?
Yes it’s great thanks, I may crack open some more English sparkling wine tonight after seeing some more Remoaner tears on here.
Didn’t you drink English sparkling wine before brexit? It’s pretty good. Several great vineyards round our way. Tad pricey though. Personally still prefer Tattinger Rose and Bollinger Rose.
Yes indeed so, English wine is making great leaps forward and is of course benefiting from climate change.
I drink French wine too even though they are the enemy."I actually prefer Italian wine, generally because they were/are “designed” to be consumed with food rather than as a standalone drink. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
"erm no thanks i dont vote now and making it mandatory wont make me vote either, not been registered since i was in my early 20s and wont be starting anytime soon | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
erm no thanks i dont vote now and making it mandatory wont make me vote either, not been registered since i was in my early 20s and wont be starting anytime soon"I wish I had the luxury of not caring, tbf. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
erm no thanks i dont vote now and making it mandatory wont make me vote either, not been registered since i was in my early 20s and wont be starting anytime soon
I wish I had the luxury of not caring, tbf."its a peice of piss, once you realise there really isnt any real difference between the two main partys its easy not to care about it have lived under labour and torys and can safley say my life hasnt got any better or worse under either of them | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
erm no thanks i dont vote now and making it mandatory wont make me vote either, not been registered since i was in my early 20s and wont be starting anytime soon
I wish I had the luxury of not caring, tbf.its a peice of piss, once you realise there really isnt any real difference between the two main partys its easy not to care about it have lived under labour and torys and can safley say my life hasnt got any better or worse under either of them"Labour made huge strides in 1997-2010, by no means perfect, but far superior to what we have now. | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
erm no thanks i dont vote now and making it mandatory wont make me vote either, not been registered since i was in my early 20s and wont be starting anytime soon
I wish I had the luxury of not caring, tbf.its a peice of piss, once you realise there really isnt any real difference between the two main partys its easy not to care about it have lived under labour and torys and can safley say my life hasnt got any better or worse under either of them
Labour made huge strides in 1997-2010, by no means perfect, but far superior to what we have now. "like i said my life hasnt got any better or worse under either of the clown shows, but like i said trying to force those who dont want to vote wont work | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
We're not allowed to 'force'.
If you add a ‘none of the above’ then nobody is being forced. Other countries have mandatory voting. It’s just one of the changes I’d like to see made to our parliamentary/electoral system.
How would you police mandatory voting? Punishment for not voting would be what?
That would have to be studied from the countries that have such systems in place. Some have small fines, others take no immediate action but will disenfranchise a voter for repeated failure to vote.
The most vulnerable in our society being fined because they couldn't get to a polling station?
Disenfranchising people, isn't that simply giving them what they want, not a vote?
You lose your mind over people needing ID to vote, the above sounds a lot more authoritarian.. "It's always the left that want to mandate and force people into doing things... | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought Good job you are here to stop the thicko plebs making a mistake!
Well they did vote to leave the EU so who knows what could happen!?
Well, about 26% of them did.
Interesting, let’s see what % of the population returns a Labour government this year.
It’s not really relevant unless anyone claims it’s ’the will of the people’
Unless Labour gets at least 50% of the vote from those entitled to vote it’s pretty clear we will need an immediate rerun of the election, and so on, until they do.
Otherwise they have no claim to legitimacy.
Well if we had mandatory voting (with the necessary addition of a ‘none of the above’ option, then maybe we’d see some change in parties attitudes to the public.
We're not allowed to 'force'.
If you add a ‘none of the above’ then nobody is being forced. Other countries have mandatory voting. It’s just one of the changes I’d like to see made to our parliamentary/electoral system.
How would you police mandatory voting? Punishment for not voting would be what?
That would have to be studied from the countries that have such systems in place. Some have small fines, others take no immediate action but will disenfranchise a voter for repeated failure to vote.
The most vulnerable in our society being fined because they couldn't get to a polling station?
Disenfranchising people, isn't that simply giving them what they want, not a vote?
You lose your mind over people needing ID to vote, the above sounds a lot more authoritarian..
It's always the left that want to mandate and force people into doing things..."Is it now? I think you’re talking about authoritarianism, which can be left or right. (Also it’s a weird thing to say under this govt, which definitely isn’t left wing.) | |||
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"That famously authoritarian country Australia has compulsory voting. They also have a 92% turnout rate in elections. Belgium too. Big, nasty authoritarian old Belgium - but their turnout is only 90% What about the people who do not consent to being governed, it is a choice after all, "That’s why it’s only fair to include a ‘none of the above’ option - though what happens when it wins is anyone’s guess | |||
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"That famously authoritarian country Australia has compulsory voting. They also have a 92% turnout rate in elections. Belgium too. Big, nasty authoritarian old Belgium - but their turnout is only 90% What about the people who do not consent to being governed, it is a choice after all,
That’s why it’s only fair to include a ‘none of the above’ option - though what happens when it wins is anyone’s guess "What happens to the fraction who do not vote in these compulsory to vote jurisdictions. | |||
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"That famously authoritarian country Australia has compulsory voting. They also have a 92% turnout rate in elections. Belgium too. Big, nasty authoritarian old Belgium - but their turnout is only 90% What about the people who do not consent to being governed, it is a choice after all,
That’s why it’s only fair to include a ‘none of the above’ option - though what happens when it wins is anyone’s guess
What happens to the fraction who do not vote in these compulsory to vote jurisdictions."This has already been answered - countries with compulsory voting have different means. Australia have small fines, others take no action at all. Some remove the right to vote after so many failures to participate. It would require some study to find the right approach. | |||
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"That famously authoritarian country Australia has compulsory voting. They also have a 92% turnout rate in elections. Belgium too. Big, nasty authoritarian old Belgium - but their turnout is only 90% What about the people who do not consent to being governed, it is a choice after all,
That’s why it’s only fair to include a ‘none of the above’ option - though what happens when it wins is anyone’s guess
What happens to the fraction who do not vote in these compulsory to vote jurisdictions.
This has already been answered - countries with compulsory voting have different means. Australia have small fines, others take no action at all. Some remove the right to vote after so many failures to participate. It would require some study to find the right approach. "sounds like a right punishment taking away someones right to vote when that person dosent want to vote, that will make em vote without a doubt, and anyway last time i looked we have the right to vote and we also have the right not to vote | |||
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"That famously authoritarian country Australia has compulsory voting. They also have a 92% turnout rate in elections. Belgium too. Big, nasty authoritarian old Belgium - but their turnout is only 90% What about the people who do not consent to being governed, it is a choice after all,
That’s why it’s only fair to include a ‘none of the above’ option - though what happens when it wins is anyone’s guess
What happens to the fraction who do not vote in these compulsory to vote jurisdictions.
This has already been answered - countries with compulsory voting have different means. Australia have small fines, others take no action at all. Some remove the right to vote after so many failures to participate. It would require some study to find the right approach. "Or we already have the right approach... | |||
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"That famously authoritarian country Australia has compulsory voting. They also have a 92% turnout rate in elections. Belgium too. Big, nasty authoritarian old Belgium - but their turnout is only 90% What about the people who do not consent to being governed, it is a choice after all,
That’s why it’s only fair to include a ‘none of the above’ option - though what happens when it wins is anyone’s guess
What happens to the fraction who do not vote in these compulsory to vote jurisdictions.
This has already been answered - countries with compulsory voting have different means. Australia have small fines, others take no action at all. Some remove the right to vote after so many failures to participate. It would require some study to find the right approach.
Or we already have the right approach... "Do we? Why do we see such poor turnout in elections then? (Particularly local elections) It’s supremely arrogant to just assume that what we have not is the best system without considering anything else. | |||
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"That famously authoritarian country Australia has compulsory voting. They also have a 92% turnout rate in elections. Belgium too. Big, nasty authoritarian old Belgium - but their turnout is only 90% What about the people who do not consent to being governed, it is a choice after all, "Well yeah but can you stop using the roads, the NHS, oh and no state pension ok? Also you’re on your own if your house gets burgled or catches fire. Same goes if you need to go to court on either side of the dock. | |||
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"That famously authoritarian country Australia has compulsory voting. They also have a 92% turnout rate in elections. Belgium too. Big, nasty authoritarian old Belgium - but their turnout is only 90% What about the people who do not consent to being governed, it is a choice after all,
Well yeah but can you stop using the roads, the NHS, oh and no state pension ok? Also you’re on your own if your house gets burgled or catches fire. Same goes if you need to go to court on either side of the dock."if he is paying tax and ni he is paying for those services | |||
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"That famously authoritarian country Australia has compulsory voting. They also have a 92% turnout rate in elections. Belgium too. Big, nasty authoritarian old Belgium - but their turnout is only 90% What about the people who do not consent to being governed, it is a choice after all,
That’s why it’s only fair to include a ‘none of the above’ option - though what happens when it wins is anyone’s guess
What happens to the fraction who do not vote in these compulsory to vote jurisdictions.
This has already been answered - countries with compulsory voting have different means. Australia have small fines, others take no action at all. Some remove the right to vote after so many failures to participate. It would require some study to find the right approach.
Or we already have the right approach...
Do we? Why do we see such poor turnout in elections then? (Particularly local elections)
It’s supremely arrogant to just assume that what we have not is the best system without considering anything else."we have such poor turnout because hardly anyone wants to vote for the shite thats on offer | |||
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"That famously authoritarian country Australia has compulsory voting. They also have a 92% turnout rate in elections. Belgium too. Big, nasty authoritarian old Belgium - but their turnout is only 90% What about the people who do not consent to being governed, it is a choice after all,
Well yeah but can you stop using the roads, the NHS, oh and no state pension ok? Also you’re on your own if your house gets burgled or catches fire. Same goes if you need to go to court on either side of the dock.if he is paying tax and ni he is paying for those services"Politics is the new religion, fire and brimstone to the non believers. | |||
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"That famously authoritarian country Australia has compulsory voting. They also have a 92% turnout rate in elections. Belgium too. Big, nasty authoritarian old Belgium - but their turnout is only 90% What about the people who do not consent to being governed, it is a choice after all,
That’s why it’s only fair to include a ‘none of the above’ option - though what happens when it wins is anyone’s guess
What happens to the fraction who do not vote in these compulsory to vote jurisdictions.
This has already been answered - countries with compulsory voting have different means. Australia have small fines, others take no action at all. Some remove the right to vote after so many failures to participate. It would require some study to find the right approach.
Or we already have the right approach...
Do we? Why do we see such poor turnout in elections then? (Particularly local elections)
It’s supremely arrogant to just assume that what we have not is the best system without considering anything else."Because no matter how much you want them to engage and vote they don't want too. That's there perogative no one should be forced to do something against there will. | |||
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"That famously authoritarian country Australia has compulsory voting. They also have a 92% turnout rate in elections. Belgium too. Big, nasty authoritarian old Belgium - but their turnout is only 90% What about the people who do not consent to being governed, it is a choice after all,
That’s why it’s only fair to include a ‘none of the above’ option - though what happens when it wins is anyone’s guess
What happens to the fraction who do not vote in these compulsory to vote jurisdictions.
This has already been answered - countries with compulsory voting have different means. Australia have small fines, others take no action at all. Some remove the right to vote after so many failures to participate. It would require some study to find the right approach.
Or we already have the right approach...
Do we? Why do we see such poor turnout in elections then? (Particularly local elections)
It’s supremely arrogant to just assume that what we have not is the best system without considering anything else."hold your horses young gun, there is nothing arrogant with expecting our system to be one that serves the majority of the people, how they want to be served. I see arrogance in people who continually talk at people and tell them why what they want is wrong, because they think differently. | |||
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"That famously authoritarian country Australia has compulsory voting. They also have a 92% turnout rate in elections. Belgium too. Big, nasty authoritarian old Belgium - but their turnout is only 90% What about the people who do not consent to being governed, it is a choice after all,
Well yeah but can you stop using the roads, the NHS, oh and no state pension ok? Also you’re on your own if your house gets burgled or catches fire. Same goes if you need to go to court on either side of the dock.if he is paying tax and ni he is paying for those services"Of course but that comes with a Government because those services need to be governed but he is saying he does not consent to being governed so…? | |||
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"Its likely a Labour government is coming but its my civil and moral duty to tell you what to expect from them to give you folks maybe a second thought I’m assuming that most of us here lived through the last Labour government and are more than capable of comparing it to the current regime." Exactly.... what do we want? Tories out! When do we want it? Right fucking now!! | |||
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"Labour will say on day one, there's no money we will need to make hard choices repeating the tories rhetoric. Because the tories got away with it so labour will have a go as well and make themselves some cash. they may as well as we say we do nothing. we also have eroded our rights to protest, so when the sh1te hits the fan we will have no rights as we traded our rights for perceived security." I have said this for years, people will vote themselves illegal and surpluses to requirements. | |||
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"Labour will say on day one, there's no money we will need to make hard choices repeating the tories rhetoric. Because the tories got away with it so labour will have a go as well and make themselves some cash. they may as well as we say we do nothing. we also have eroded our rights to protest, so when the sh1te hits the fan we will have no rights as we traded our rights for perceived security." It would not surprise me if they use that line in the first week. As you say, just repeating the same old stuff. As for the changes around strikes and protests, what is stopping Labour reversing these changes? I'm not heard of any pledge to reverse the changes but they have time still. The slight doubt is that after criticising the bankers cap removal and cooperation tax they suddenly agree with those policies | |||
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"Also Labour have a big problem with their stance on Israel. Muslims have organised themselves in key seats by having their own choices, Wes Streeting is in danger of losing his seat as well as Starmer. The next election should be interesting." I’m confused by this statement… What are you saying, a UK political party can’t have a direction or view outside of an Islam led belief for fear of losing an election? I have a feeling I have wasted my time asking this and expecting an answer that is considered, I can hope though. | |||
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"Also Labour have a big problem with their stance on Israel. Muslims have organised themselves in key seats by having their own choices, Wes Streeting is in danger of losing his seat as well as Starmer. The next election should be interesting. I’m confused by this statement… What are you saying, a UK political party can’t have a direction or view outside of an Islam led belief for fear of losing an election? I have a feeling I have wasted my time asking this and expecting an answer that is considered, I can hope though. "It does appear that way, and from the videos I'm seeing shared on Twitter, his view appears to be correct (at least for some) | |||
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