FabSwingers.com forum: Liz Truss attacks transwomans rights

By *G Lana OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

After so many people in the UK have categorically told me this wasn't coming, low and behold, we have Liz Truss introducing a bill trying to ban transwomen from female toilets and well as blocking gender care for under 18's.

I will need to read the proposed bill but on the face of it I suspect this may breache several of my human rights.

I would focus on 'Liberty and security' as this will put transwomen at increased risk of harm, possibly the degrading treatment part of the 'Freedom from torture and inhuman or degrading treatment' and the 'Protection from discrimination in respect of these rights and freedoms'.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"After so many people in the UK have categorically told me this wasn't coming, low and behold, we have Liz Truss introducing a bill trying to ban transwomen from female toilets and well as blocking gender care for under 18's.

I will need to read the proposed bill but on the face of it I suspect this may breache several of my human rights.

You can't read the proposed bill, because it doesn't exist.

Liz Truss has been picked to present a Private Members Bill, but she's 18th in the list, which means that there's no chance of her getting enough parliamentary time to present her bill.

In addition to which, the whole story is just speculation. Truss hasn't said anything about it yet, it's just 'sources say' that her bill would tackle this issue.

There's no need to panic, nothing is going to happen.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Which of your several human rights do you believe this would breach?

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By *atfuckerbristolMan
over a year ago

Wells

The chances of Liz Truss getting to the top of the list, and producing a bill which actually gets anywhere in the parliamentary process are vanishingly tiny. And that’s true of any MP - add in the chaotic way Truss appears to conduct business and there’s no chance.

That said, a bill to protect women’s access to single-sex spaces doesn’t sound like a bad idea. I’m not sure it would have the Human Rights impacts suggested either as no-one is fundamentally losing any rights in this case.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

It might be a good thing to let the bill go before parliament. It would allow for a national debate on the topic. We must remember that all citizens enjoy human rights, so a balance must be struck. Women can then decide whether they are content with trans people sharing toilet facilities. It extends to men too, because they could be responsible for minors using public toilets.

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

We can be sure that if Liz Truss is eventually involved it will be a cock-up** anyway.

0.01% of the population identify as male or female transgender. I would hope Parliament had better things to do with their time than seek to limit their life.

Interestingly 0.02% of births are medically identified as true hermaphrodites with both male and female genitalia. Some can even make themselves pregnant.

** Cock-up is not a sexual term. It comes from brewing where a wine or beer barrel that had gone off would have its cock or tap rotated to point upwards so no one tried to drink the contents.

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It might be a good thing to let the bill go before parliament. It would allow for a national debate on the topic. We must remember that all citizens enjoy human rights, so a balance must be struck. Women can then decide whether they are content with trans people sharing toilet facilities. It extends to men too, because they could be responsible for minors using public toilets."

I agree with this post.

The genuine concerns of women about other, taller, stronger, humans, with penises, being allowed into their female only toilets cannot be ignored, and should not be "trumped" by human rights arguments without proper discussion.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"** Cock-up is not a sexual term. It comes from brewing where a wine or beer barrel that had gone off would have its cock or tap rotated to point upwards so no one tried to drink the contents."

That's inaccurate. "Cock-up" comes from the sense of 'cock' meaning bent or twisted, as in 'to cock a pistol' or 'cocked hat' or 'cock-eyed'. It was common army slang in the early 20th century with the meaning 'not straight', as in "that wood has got all wet and has cocked-up".

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"The genuine concerns of women about other, taller, stronger, humans, with penises, being allowed into their female only toilets cannot be ignored"

I'll sure lots of women have genuine concerns about things. The question is - are those concerns justified?

The OP has genuine concerns over their rights being violated, and yet this story is all speculation with no chance of ever actually happening. Their concern is genuine, but misguided.

Have there actually been any cases of men dressing as women to sneak into toilets and commit sex crimes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally if I were a woman I wouldn’t feel comfortable with sharing a toilet, changing room, or sports field with some bloke getting his rocks off at the weekend and playing dress up to hang around female safe spaces or trying to gain some competitive advantage in some sport or other.

Human rights are a balance. We all need to be respectful of each other. It doesn’t just work for one group and not another.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"some bloke getting his rocks off at the weekend and playing dress up"

Fab is a hotbed for anti-trans bigotry. It's getting worse, not better.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I agree as long as both sides get their voices heard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""some bloke getting his rocks off at the weekend and playing dress up"

Fab is a hotbed for anti-trans bigotry. It's getting worse, not better. "

Not at all, I’m not in the least anti trans. The issue is how we police perverts from gaming the system.

And how we protect young children who are often autistic, have mental health problems, or are gay from trans campaigners pushing their ideology through fake medical procedures.

Do you not care about women? Misogyny appears to be rife on Fab.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

""some bloke getting his rocks off at the weekend and playing dress up"

Fab is a hotbed for anti-trans bigotry. It's getting worse, not better.

Not at all, I’m not in the least anti trans. The issue is how we police perverts from gaming the system.

And how we protect young children who are often autistic, have mental health problems, or are gay from trans campaigners pushing their ideology through fake medical procedures.

Do you not care about women? Misogyny appears to be rife on Fab."

Then why do you describe members of the tras community as "some bloke getting his rocks off at the weekend and playing dress up"?

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By *enSiskoMan
over a year ago

Cestus 3

Do you think its too early for popcorn?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""some bloke getting his rocks off at the weekend and playing dress up"

Fab is a hotbed for anti-trans bigotry. It's getting worse, not better.

Not at all, I’m not in the least anti trans. The issue is how we police perverts from gaming the system.

And how we protect young children who are often autistic, have mental health problems, or are gay from trans campaigners pushing their ideology through fake medical procedures.

Do you not care about women? Misogyny appears to be rife on Fab.

Then why do you describe members of the tras community as "some bloke getting his rocks off at the weekend and playing dress up"?"

Why do you think women don’t deserve a safe space, or fair and safe competition on the sports field? Frankly your views are redolent of 1970’s East Germany.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

""some bloke getting his rocks off at the weekend and playing dress up"

Fab is a hotbed for anti-trans bigotry. It's getting worse, not better.

Not at all, I’m not in the least anti trans. The issue is how we police perverts from gaming the system.

And how we protect young children who are often autistic, have mental health problems, or are gay from trans campaigners pushing their ideology through fake medical procedures.

Do you not care about women? Misogyny appears to be rife on Fab.

Then why do you describe members of the tras community as "some bloke getting his rocks off at the weekend and playing dress up"?"

If trans women are legally allowed to enter single sex spaces, how do you propose stopping a man who does indeed 'get his rocks off and plays dress up' to enter those spaces? No one will be allowed to challenge him.

Or is this just you picking something and twisting it to fuel your outrage?

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"** Cock-up is not a sexual term. It comes from brewing where a wine or beer barrel that had gone off would have its cock or tap rotated to point upwards so no one tried to drink the contents.

Which came first I wonder? The wooden liquid storage barrel or the gun? A cocked barrel was ready to give forth its contents like a cocked gun which has a barrel. Etymologists seldom agree.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"If trans women are legally allowed to enter single sex spaces, how do you propose stopping a man who does indeed 'get his rocks off and plays dress up' to enter those spaces? No one will be allowed to challenge him."

Trans men *are* legally allowed to enter single sex spaces reserved for women. In fact, so are cis-males.

There's no law preventing people from entering the wrong single sex space.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

""some bloke getting his rocks off at the weekend and playing dress up"

Fab is a hotbed for anti-trans bigotry. It's getting worse, not better.

Not at all, I’m not in the least anti trans. The issue is how we police perverts from gaming the system.

And how we protect young children who are often autistic, have mental health problems, or are gay from trans campaigners pushing their ideology through fake medical procedures.

Do you not care about women? Misogyny appears to be rife on Fab.

Then why do you describe members of the tras community as "some bloke getting his rocks off at the weekend and playing dress up"?

Why do you think women don’t deserve a safe space, or fair and safe competition on the sports field? Frankly your views are redolent of 1970’s East Germany.

Okay, you've gone off on one there assuming things that aren't true.

Why did you describe the trans community as "some bloke getting his rocks off at the weekend and playing dress up"?

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma