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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67567401 Tell me again that we don't have a problem with GENUINE asylum claims. " I give up . People will only change their narrative when enough of them do something extremely bad. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67567401 Tell me again that we don't have a problem with GENUINE asylum claims. " Wtf do they mean missing? Did the government expect them to play by the rules and report their whereabouts regularly to a state official? These are the same third world upbstanding citizens who broke into our country. Either politicians are very naive or they don't g.a.f. How many have criminal convictions, are te**orist sympathisers or connected to them,carry contagious diseases?? Talk about inept. If we just stopped them in the channel and told the UN and international laws to fuk off there would be no problem. Trouble is the powers at be want them here . It's called the great replacement ( cue the lefties whining about human rights and compassion and saying it's conspiracy). If someone was trying to break into someone's home would anybody care about their safety or wellbeing? If it was my house and I had the right to bear arms I'd shoot the mother. If they drown in the Mediterranean or channel so what? They are breaking into our home. Protect our people and secure our borders. Stop the motherf**kers. | |||
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"We have a problem that discontinued claims aren't followed up. Strictly speaking these are no longer asylum seekers but illegal immigrants It does appear that people are exploiting out ineptitude especially given this is a huge increase from last year's numbers. The question for me is how do we manage this issue without throwing the baby out and dismissing all genuine claims. " Some claims are discontinued because 'asylum seekers' don't keep to appointments. | |||
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"They probably spent a few weeks here and thought “fuck it I was told the streets are paved with Gold, I’m off!”" Sounds like you agree they've come here for 'streets of gold' rather than 'safety'. | |||
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"They probably spent a few weeks here and thought “fuck it I was told the streets are paved with Gold, I’m off!” Sounds like you agree they've come here for 'streets of gold' rather than 'safety'."  | |||
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"We have a problem that discontinued claims aren't followed up. Strictly speaking these are no longer asylum seekers but illegal immigrants It does appear that people are exploiting out ineptitude especially given this is a huge increase from last year's numbers. The question for me is how do we manage this issue without throwing the baby out and dismissing all genuine claims. Some claims are discontinued because 'asylum seekers' don't keep to appointments. " I saw. Doesn't change my view. We are failing to sort out those who stop having a claim. That's not the fault of true asylum seekers. | |||
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"They probably spent a few weeks here and thought “fuck it I was told the streets are paved with Gold, I’m off!”" If only that were true. Would be great though. | |||
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"We have a problem that discontinued claims aren't followed up. Strictly speaking these are no longer asylum seekers but illegal immigrants It does appear that people are exploiting out ineptitude especially given this is a huge increase from last year's numbers. The question for me is how do we manage this issue without throwing the baby out and dismissing all genuine claims. Some claims are discontinued because 'asylum seekers' don't keep to appointments. I saw. Doesn't change my view. We are failing to sort out those who stop having a claim. That's not the fault of true asylum seekers. " I should have put GENUINE as 'genuine' in the OP. We are told the vast majority of asylum claims in this country are genuine. When we have over 17k 'missing' it would appear that is not true. | |||
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"They probably spent a few weeks here and thought “fuck it I was told the streets are paved with Gold, I’m off!” Sounds like you agree they've come here for 'streets of gold' rather than 'safety'." I have never said otherwise. Some will have. Some will be seeking safety. There will be multiple permutations of needs. Some will be legit other not legit. | |||
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"We have a problem that discontinued claims aren't followed up. Strictly speaking these are no longer asylum seekers but illegal immigrants It does appear that people are exploiting out ineptitude especially given this is a huge increase from last year's numbers. The question for me is how do we manage this issue without throwing the baby out and dismissing all genuine claims. Some claims are discontinued because 'asylum seekers' don't keep to appointments. I saw. Doesn't change my view. We are failing to sort out those who stop having a claim. That's not the fault of true asylum seekers. I should have put GENUINE as 'genuine' in the OP. We are told the vast majority of asylum claims in this country are genuine. When we have over 17k 'missing' it would appear that is not true. " 17k out of how many? There were 166k outstanding at end 2022. And 93k new apps this year. So less than 17k is less than 7pc. 75pc of initial decisions were approvals. Over 50pc of appeals were allowed. I can't find success rates yet. But I'd guess we are at over 80pc approvals in total. How big is "vast majority" And those rejected may be ones who feel they have a case but we disagree. Rather than attempting to game the system as is often presented. Now... There is timing differences in these numbers. I suspect the mix of 2021 differs to 2022 differs to 2023. Approvals lag applications. I suspect may of the 17k come from the 93k of class of 2023. And a large chunk are Albanian men, which I would also suspect have lower success rates (Indeed do from latest stats) However.... We need better MI etc to make definite statements. The huge lag makes it difficult to have a conversation. After all, the 17k is withdrawal of apps. It's not the number we have lost track of. If a load are Albanian, and irrc we now have a arrangement with Albania, then could they be part of this. Indeed "In the year ending September 2023, there were 17,301 voluntary returns, an increase of 74% compared with the year ending September 2022 (9,921). Two-thirds (64%) of voluntary returns are other verified returns and were primarily Albanian, Indian and Chinese nationals." I wonder if this form parts of the number? | |||
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"We have a problem that discontinued claims aren't followed up. Strictly speaking these are no longer asylum seekers but illegal immigrants It does appear that people are exploiting out ineptitude especially given this is a huge increase from last year's numbers. The question for me is how do we manage this issue without throwing the baby out and dismissing all genuine claims. Some claims are discontinued because 'asylum seekers' don't keep to appointments. I saw. Doesn't change my view. We are failing to sort out those who stop having a claim. That's not the fault of true asylum seekers. I should have put GENUINE as 'genuine' in the OP. We are told the vast majority of asylum claims in this country are genuine. When we have over 17k 'missing' it would appear that is not true. 17k out of how many? There were 166k outstanding at end 2022. And 93k new apps this year. So less than 17k is less than 7pc. 75pc of initial decisions were approvals. Over 50pc of appeals were allowed. I can't find success rates yet. But I'd guess we are at over 80pc approvals in total. How big is "vast majority" And those rejected may be ones who feel they have a case but we disagree. Rather than attempting to game the system as is often presented. Now... There is timing differences in these numbers. I suspect the mix of 2021 differs to 2022 differs to 2023. Approvals lag applications. I suspect may of the 17k come from the 93k of class of 2023. And a large chunk are Albanian men, which I would also suspect have lower success rates (Indeed do from latest stats) However.... We need better MI etc to make definite statements. The huge lag makes it difficult to have a conversation. After all, the 17k is withdrawal of apps. It's not the number we have lost track of. If a load are Albanian, and irrc we now have a arrangement with Albania, then could they be part of this. Indeed "In the year ending September 2023, there were 17,301 voluntary returns, an increase of 74% compared with the year ending September 2022 (9,921). Two-thirds (64%) of voluntary returns are other verified returns and were primarily Albanian, Indian and Chinese nationals." I wonder if this form parts of the number? " "Officials told the committee that claims are withdrawn if asylum seekers fail to respond to two successive case worker interview requests or questionnaires. Since December last year this has happened 17,316 times" I'm not sure if you bothered to read the article but it tells us that officials have withdrawn the applications for 'failure to communicate'. The figure is literally people who are 'missing', nothing to do with the Albania deal. If you add voluntary returns or forced returns were talking about 35,000 in one year who weren't really here 'seeking safety'. | |||
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"We have a problem that discontinued claims aren't followed up. Strictly speaking these are no longer asylum seekers but illegal immigrants It does appear that people are exploiting out ineptitude especially given this is a huge increase from last year's numbers. The question for me is how do we manage this issue without throwing the baby out and dismissing all genuine claims. Some claims are discontinued because 'asylum seekers' don't keep to appointments. I saw. Doesn't change my view. We are failing to sort out those who stop having a claim. That's not the fault of true asylum seekers. I should have put GENUINE as 'genuine' in the OP. We are told the vast majority of asylum claims in this country are genuine. When we have over 17k 'missing' it would appear that is not true. 17k out of how many? There were 166k outstanding at end 2022. And 93k new apps this year. So less than 17k is less than 7pc. 75pc of initial decisions were approvals. Over 50pc of appeals were allowed. I can't find success rates yet. But I'd guess we are at over 80pc approvals in total. How big is "vast majority" And those rejected may be ones who feel they have a case but we disagree. Rather than attempting to game the system as is often presented. Now... There is timing differences in these numbers. I suspect the mix of 2021 differs to 2022 differs to 2023. Approvals lag applications. I suspect may of the 17k come from the 93k of class of 2023. And a large chunk are Albanian men, which I would also suspect have lower success rates (Indeed do from latest stats) However.... We need better MI etc to make definite statements. The huge lag makes it difficult to have a conversation. After all, the 17k is withdrawal of apps. It's not the number we have lost track of. If a load are Albanian, and irrc we now have a arrangement with Albania, then could they be part of this. Indeed "In the year ending September 2023, there were 17,301 voluntary returns, an increase of 74% compared with the year ending September 2022 (9,921). Two-thirds (64%) of voluntary returns are other verified returns and were primarily Albanian, Indian and Chinese nationals." I wonder if this form parts of the number? "Officials told the committee that claims are withdrawn if asylum seekers fail to respond to two successive case worker interview requests or questionnaires. Since December last year this has happened 17,316 times" I'm not sure if you bothered to read the article but it tells us that officials have withdrawn the applications for 'failure to communicate'. The figure is literally people who are 'missing', nothing to do with the Albania deal. If you add voluntary returns or forced returns were talking about 35,000 in one year who weren't really here 'seeking safety'. " i did. This bit too. "A senior official told the home affairs select committee: "I don't think we know where all these people are." Asked whether some people had returned to their home countries, Simon Ridley, a senior civil servant in the Home Office, said he did not know." There's no direct quote to say for sure they are all missing. Also, "In the year ending September 2023, there were 17,316 withdrawn asylum applications, more than 4 times the number in the previous year (when there were 4,260). Withdrawn claims occur for a number of reasons, including where someone has already left the UK before their claim was considered, where they fail to attend their asylum interview, or they choose to or pursue another application for permission to stay." That's from the home office stats page. So it's not even all from failure to attend. | |||
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"We have a problem that discontinued claims aren't followed up. Strictly speaking these are no longer asylum seekers but illegal immigrants It does appear that people are exploiting out ineptitude especially given this is a huge increase from last year's numbers. The question for me is how do we manage this issue without throwing the baby out and dismissing all genuine claims. Some claims are discontinued because 'asylum seekers' don't keep to appointments. I saw. Doesn't change my view. We are failing to sort out those who stop having a claim. That's not the fault of true asylum seekers. I should have put GENUINE as 'genuine' in the OP. We are told the vast majority of asylum claims in this country are genuine. When we have over 17k 'missing' it would appear that is not true. 17k out of how many? There were 166k outstanding at end 2022. And 93k new apps this year. So less than 17k is less than 7pc. 75pc of initial decisions were approvals. Over 50pc of appeals were allowed. I can't find success rates yet. But I'd guess we are at over 80pc approvals in total. How big is "vast majority" And those rejected may be ones who feel they have a case but we disagree. Rather than attempting to game the system as is often presented. Now... There is timing differences in these numbers. I suspect the mix of 2021 differs to 2022 differs to 2023. Approvals lag applications. I suspect may of the 17k come from the 93k of class of 2023. And a large chunk are Albanian men, which I would also suspect have lower success rates (Indeed do from latest stats) However.... We need better MI etc to make definite statements. The huge lag makes it difficult to have a conversation. After all, the 17k is withdrawal of apps. It's not the number we have lost track of. If a load are Albanian, and irrc we now have a arrangement with Albania, then could they be part of this. Indeed "In the year ending September 2023, there were 17,301 voluntary returns, an increase of 74% compared with the year ending September 2022 (9,921). Two-thirds (64%) of voluntary returns are other verified returns and were primarily Albanian, Indian and Chinese nationals." I wonder if this form parts of the number? "Officials told the committee that claims are withdrawn if asylum seekers fail to respond to two successive case worker interview requests or questionnaires. Since December last year this has happened 17,316 times" I'm not sure if you bothered to read the article but it tells us that officials have withdrawn the applications for 'failure to communicate'. The figure is literally people who are 'missing', nothing to do with the Albania deal. If you add voluntary returns or forced returns were talking about 35,000 in one year who weren't really here 'seeking safety'. i did. This bit too. "A senior official told the home affairs select committee: "I don't think we know where all these people are." Asked whether some people had returned to their home countries, Simon Ridley, a senior civil servant in the Home Office, said he did not know." There's no direct quote to say for sure they are all missing. Also, "In the year ending September 2023, there were 17,316 withdrawn asylum applications, more than 4 times the number in the previous year (when there were 4,260). Withdrawn claims occur for a number of reasons, including where someone has already left the UK before their claim was considered, where they fail to attend their asylum interview, or they choose to or pursue another application for permission to stay." That's from the home office stats page. So it's not even all from failure to attend. " Fair. That'll teach me for reading the article and not going to the HO stats page. | |||
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"We have a problem that discontinued claims aren't followed up. Strictly speaking these are no longer asylum seekers but illegal immigrants It does appear that people are exploiting out ineptitude especially given this is a huge increase from last year's numbers. The question for me is how do we manage this issue without throwing the baby out and dismissing all genuine claims. Some claims are discontinued because 'asylum seekers' don't keep to appointments. I saw. Doesn't change my view. We are failing to sort out those who stop having a claim. That's not the fault of true asylum seekers. I should have put GENUINE as 'genuine' in the OP. We are told the vast majority of asylum claims in this country are genuine. When we have over 17k 'missing' it would appear that is not true. 17k out of how many? There were 166k outstanding at end 2022. And 93k new apps this year. So less than 17k is less than 7pc. 75pc of initial decisions were approvals. Over 50pc of appeals were allowed. I can't find success rates yet. But I'd guess we are at over 80pc approvals in total. How big is "vast majority" And those rejected may be ones who feel they have a case but we disagree. Rather than attempting to game the system as is often presented. Now... There is timing differences in these numbers. I suspect the mix of 2021 differs to 2022 differs to 2023. Approvals lag applications. I suspect may of the 17k come from the 93k of class of 2023. And a large chunk are Albanian men, which I would also suspect have lower success rates (Indeed do from latest stats) However.... We need better MI etc to make definite statements. The huge lag makes it difficult to have a conversation. After all, the 17k is withdrawal of apps. It's not the number we have lost track of. If a load are Albanian, and irrc we now have a arrangement with Albania, then could they be part of this. Indeed "In the year ending September 2023, there were 17,301 voluntary returns, an increase of 74% compared with the year ending September 2022 (9,921). Two-thirds (64%) of voluntary returns are other verified returns and were primarily Albanian, Indian and Chinese nationals." I wonder if this form parts of the number? "Officials told the committee that claims are withdrawn if asylum seekers fail to respond to two successive case worker interview requests or questionnaires. Since December last year this has happened 17,316 times" I'm not sure if you bothered to read the article but it tells us that officials have withdrawn the applications for 'failure to communicate'. The figure is literally people who are 'missing', nothing to do with the Albania deal. If you add voluntary returns or forced returns were talking about 35,000 in one year who weren't really here 'seeking safety'. i did. This bit too. "A senior official told the home affairs select committee: "I don't think we know where all these people are." Asked whether some people had returned to their home countries, Simon Ridley, a senior civil servant in the Home Office, said he did not know." There's no direct quote to say for sure they are all missing. Also, "In the year ending September 2023, there were 17,316 withdrawn asylum applications, more than 4 times the number in the previous year (when there were 4,260). Withdrawn claims occur for a number of reasons, including where someone has already left the UK before their claim was considered, where they fail to attend their asylum interview, or they choose to or pursue another application for permission to stay." That's from the home office stats page. So it's not even all from failure to attend. Fair. That'll teach me for reading the article and not going to the HO stats page. " I'm happy to blame the BBC on this one. Having defended them on another thread, I saw this a while back, and thought it was shit reporting. | |||
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