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"To put the whole story that was reported for balance, they also showed X rays taken which it's claimed by this boy's family are him and spoke to a surgeon who said there are broken bones.. My first instinct watching was 'hmm' given both sides are adept at media management and manipulation .. Then I saw the bus footage and thought ok that looks odd.. Then I saw the rest of it and to be honest I'm not sure of his story, yes there are bruises and what look like puncture wounds from alleged dog bites but I simply don't trust either side.. As much as it has faults and has made mistakes it is still simply reporting what it's being told by those at war who want to control the narrative.. We as viewers have to try and look objectively if we can at all the information regardless of whom is reporting it.. " I still don’t see the point in reporting on specific stories such as this, when both sides are spinning, it serves little purpose. As you have rightly said, it is up to the reader to work it out, millions simply can’t or don't | |||
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"Why are you surprised they also broadcast israeli propaganda and ukrainian propaganda and whenever were dropping bombs on people they broadcast uk propaganda aswell so there not doing anything new, or do you meen why are they broadcasting your enemys propaganda" I mean they’re reporting propaganda, knowingly from both sides | |||
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"To put the whole story that was reported for balance, they also showed X rays taken which it's claimed by this boy's family are him and spoke to a surgeon who said there are broken bones.. My first instinct watching was 'hmm' given both sides are adept at media management and manipulation .. Then I saw the bus footage and thought ok that looks odd.. Then I saw the rest of it and to be honest I'm not sure of his story, yes there are bruises and what look like puncture wounds from alleged dog bites but I simply don't trust either side.. As much as it has faults and has made mistakes it is still simply reporting what it's being told by those at war who want to control the narrative.. We as viewers have to try and look objectively if we can at all the information regardless of whom is reporting it.. I still don’t see the point in reporting on specific stories such as this, when both sides are spinning, it serves little purpose. As you have rightly said, it is up to the reader to work it out, millions simply can’t or don't" I'm struggling with the bias comment given the article also has the video and the counter argument. At best you can say that the headline is presenting one side, and you need to read the article to get the balance, which may be linked to your last point. But it took me reading your whole post and replies to get to that view ... 
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"Why are you surprised they also broadcast israeli propaganda and ukrainian propaganda and whenever were dropping bombs on people they broadcast uk propaganda aswell so there not doing anything new, or do you meen why are they broadcasting your enemys propaganda I mean they’re reporting propaganda, knowingly from both sides" whats new with that?its been going on for years, its mostly opinions these days rather than news | |||
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"To put the whole story that was reported for balance, they also showed X rays taken which it's claimed by this boy's family are him and spoke to a surgeon who said there are broken bones.. My first instinct watching was 'hmm' given both sides are adept at media management and manipulation .. Then I saw the bus footage and thought ok that looks odd.. Then I saw the rest of it and to be honest I'm not sure of his story, yes there are bruises and what look like puncture wounds from alleged dog bites but I simply don't trust either side.. As much as it has faults and has made mistakes it is still simply reporting what it's being told by those at war who want to control the narrative.. We as viewers have to try and look objectively if we can at all the information regardless of whom is reporting it.. I still don’t see the point in reporting on specific stories such as this, when both sides are spinning, it serves little purpose. As you have rightly said, it is up to the reader to work it out, millions simply can’t or don'tI'm struggling with the bias comment given the article also has the video and the counter argument. At best you can say that the headline is presenting one side, and you need to read the article to get the balance, which may be linked to your last point. But it took me reading your whole post and replies to get to that view ...
Tbh, I don't want my news dumbed down so that only issues that can be understood a 5 year old ate reported. "Well you must be ruling out the BBC as a news source you would subscribe to? | |||
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"Why are you surprised they also broadcast israeli propaganda and ukrainian propaganda and whenever were dropping bombs on people they broadcast uk propaganda aswell so there not doing anything new, or do you meen why are they broadcasting your enemys propaganda I mean they’re reporting propaganda, knowingly from both sideswhats new with that?its been going on for years, its mostly opinions these days rather than news" Are you happy with a news outlet writing a story of woe that could be propaganda, and also providing an alternative view that could also be propaganda? The story is worthless | |||
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"To influence an audience to further an agenda: Why is the BBC being caught out time and time again peddling propaganda that "seems very easy to discredit". On the BBC news page it reports how 18 year old Mohammed Nazzal was beaten, set upon by muzzled dogs and had his hands broken, a photograph accompanies the story and the 18 year old looks troubled with bandaged hands. Within the same story is a video released by the IDF who claim it clearly shows Mohammed Nazzal leaving for Gaza and showing he was not beaten or suffering the injuries stated, the video does show no bandaged hands, and he was using his hands to steady himself getting on a coach. What is the point of this story, one side is clearly lying, so why go down this route of reporting, what is there to gain? This is not the first time in this war that the BBC has been caught out with such lazy journalism! They reported as factual, staged propaganda by Hamas, in fact it became a joke as the same person is seen acting many different roles in a number of videos and yet the BBC ran with the videos highlighting the suffering in Gaza. The problems and conflicts this war is bringing to communities all over the world is being fuelled by such lazy journalism, and to be honest I expect more from the BBC, right now they are an embarrassment. " The BBC are simply down the rabbit hole now that they don't care. They did the same the other day and had to correct themselves when twitter blew up. It's getting quite sad now. Not just on this affair but many many others. It's become just like the daily mail etc. Unreliable. | |||
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"Are you happy with a news outlet writing a story of woe that could be propaganda, and also providing an alternative view that could also be propaganda? The story is worthless" Presumably you're new to BBC News. The site is full of stories that are utterly worthless 'human interest' pieces. | |||
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"To influence an audience to further an agenda: Why is the BBC being caught out time and time again peddling propaganda that "seems very easy to discredit". On the BBC news page it reports how 18 year old Mohammed Nazzal was beaten, set upon by muzzled dogs and had his hands broken, a photograph accompanies the story and the 18 year old looks troubled with bandaged hands. Within the same story is a video released by the IDF who claim it clearly shows Mohammed Nazzal leaving for Gaza and showing he was not beaten or suffering the injuries stated, the video does show no bandaged hands, and he was using his hands to steady himself getting on a coach. What is the point of this story, one side is clearly lying, so why go down this route of reporting, what is there to gain? This is not the first time in this war that the BBC has been caught out with such lazy journalism! They reported as factual, staged propaganda by Hamas, in fact it became a joke as the same person is seen acting many different roles in a number of videos and yet the BBC ran with the videos highlighting the suffering in Gaza. The problems and conflicts this war is bringing to communities all over the world is being fuelled by such lazy journalism, and to be honest I expect more from the BBC, right now they are an embarrassment. " I wouldn't know or have a clue on how to even begin to respond to the above. I don't have a TV licence, I don't watch anything live broadcast, I don't watch iPlayer. The BBC lost me many years ago. | |||
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"To influence an audience to further an agenda: Why is the BBC being caught out time and time again peddling propaganda that "seems very easy to discredit". On the BBC news page it reports how 18 year old Mohammed Nazzal was beaten, set upon by muzzled dogs and had his hands broken, a photograph accompanies the story and the 18 year old looks troubled with bandaged hands. Within the same story is a video released by the IDF who claim it clearly shows Mohammed Nazzal leaving for Gaza and showing he was not beaten or suffering the injuries stated, the video does show no bandaged hands, and he was using his hands to steady himself getting on a coach. What is the point of this story, one side is clearly lying, so why go down this route of reporting, what is there to gain? This is not the first time in this war that the BBC has been caught out with such lazy journalism! They reported as factual, staged propaganda by Hamas, in fact it became a joke as the same person is seen acting many different roles in a number of videos and yet the BBC ran with the videos highlighting the suffering in Gaza. The problems and conflicts this war is bringing to communities all over the world is being fuelled by such lazy journalism, and to be honest I expect more from the BBC, right now they are an embarrassment. " It might have something to do with the fact that the Bolshevik Broadcasting Company is full of lying baxters and is rabidly pro the religion of peace. Maybe they are just practicing their technique for when they take over. Do you think they,the BBC, know something we don't? | |||
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"To put the whole story that was reported for balance, they also showed X rays taken which it's claimed by this boy's family are him and spoke to a surgeon who said there are broken bones.. My first instinct watching was 'hmm' given both sides are adept at media management and manipulation .. Then I saw the bus footage and thought ok that looks odd.. Then I saw the rest of it and to be honest I'm not sure of his story, yes there are bruises and what look like puncture wounds from alleged dog bites but I simply don't trust either side.. As much as it has faults and has made mistakes it is still simply reporting what it's being told by those at war who want to control the narrative.. We as viewers have to try and look objectively if we can at all the information regardless of whom is reporting it.. I still don’t see the point in reporting on specific stories such as this, when both sides are spinning, it serves little purpose. As you have rightly said, it is up to the reader to work it out, millions simply can’t or don'tI'm struggling with the bias comment given the article also has the video and the counter argument. At best you can say that the headline is presenting one side, and you need to read the article to get the balance, which may be linked to your last point. But it took me reading your whole post and replies to get to that view ...
Tbh, I don't want my news dumbed down so that only issues that can be understood a 5 year old ate reported.
Well you must be ruling out the BBC as a news source you would subscribe to? "I'm confused with your view here. It's publishing both sides which may be spin and leaving it to readers to work out. That's fine by me. I have plenty of salt. It's bringing to life the complexity of understanding ME. I dont see how it makes the BBC biased tho. | |||
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"To put the whole story that was reported for balance, they also showed X rays taken which it's claimed by this boy's family are him and spoke to a surgeon who said there are broken bones.. My first instinct watching was 'hmm' given both sides are adept at media management and manipulation .. Then I saw the bus footage and thought ok that looks odd.. Then I saw the rest of it and to be honest I'm not sure of his story, yes there are bruises and what look like puncture wounds from alleged dog bites but I simply don't trust either side.. As much as it has faults and has made mistakes it is still simply reporting what it's being told by those at war who want to control the narrative.. We as viewers have to try and look objectively if we can at all the information regardless of whom is reporting it.. I still don’t see the point in reporting on specific stories such as this, when both sides are spinning, it serves little purpose. As you have rightly said, it is up to the reader to work it out, millions simply can’t or don'tI'm struggling with the bias comment given the article also has the video and the counter argument. At best you can say that the headline is presenting one side, and you need to read the article to get the balance, which may be linked to your last point. But it took me reading your whole post and replies to get to that view ...
Tbh, I don't want my news dumbed down so that only issues that can be understood a 5 year old ate reported.
Well you must be ruling out the BBC as a news source you would subscribe to? I'm confused with your view here.
It's publishing both sides which may be spin and leaving it to readers to work out.
That's fine by me. I have plenty of salt.
It's bringing to life the complexity of understanding ME.
I dont see how it makes the BBC biased tho. "Who said they were biased? I'm saying the standard of their reporting is shockingly low and getting lower. Putting it simply: They have reported on a story fuelled by propaganda, I'm not saying which side is or isn't spouting propaganda. The fact is it is a story that totally worthless as it has no meaning, how can you report both sides of propaganda without conclusion, just up in the air BS, nothing more than he said, she said. The laziest journalism going... This year has been a nightmare for the BBC news outlet, they have got so much wrong they need a reboot. | |||
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"It goes to the heart of journalism. Time was hard nosed news reporters dug down to get at the facts of a story. Now we get celeb type newsreaders just pronouncing "it's been reported that blah blah blah", with no effort to verify the facts. That's not journalism in my book." They are not fact checking their own work, but take pride in telling readers that they have fact checked others. Considering the sensitivity of such stories and the harm they can cause, it leaves me scratching my head for the reason they published this story based on certain propaganda from one side or the other. I have also noticed that a report has mostly more than one person credited to it, a report of many as if by committee. | |||
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"It goes to the heart of journalism. Time was hard nosed news reporters dug down to get at the facts of a story. Now we get celeb type newsreaders just pronouncing "it's been reported that blah blah blah", with no effort to verify the facts. That's not journalism in my book. They are not fact checking their own work, but take pride in telling readers that they have fact checked others. Considering the sensitivity of such stories and the harm they can cause, it leaves me scratching my head for the reason they published this story based on certain propaganda from one side or the other. I have also noticed that a report has mostly more than one person credited to it, a report of many as if by committee." what fact checking would you expect here ? | |||
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"It goes to the heart of journalism. Time was hard nosed news reporters dug down to get at the facts of a story. Now we get celeb type newsreaders just pronouncing "it's been reported that blah blah blah", with no effort to verify the facts. That's not journalism in my book. They are not fact checking their own work, but take pride in telling readers that they have fact checked others. Considering the sensitivity of such stories and the harm they can cause, it leaves me scratching my head for the reason they published this story based on certain propaganda from one side or the other. I have also noticed that a report has mostly more than one person credited to it, a report of many as if by committee.what fact checking would you expect here ? " Which side of the story was correct, if they can't verify then what is the point of the report. Which incidentally brings us back to my original point... | |||
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"As we are talking about BBC, I thought I would point out the recent story. BBC Radio 5 Live presenter Nihal Arthanayake has said an overwhelmingly “white” working environment is affecting his mental health. The presenter told a journalism diversity conference on Wednesday: “It’s really affecting me that I walk in and all I see is white people.” Surely if a white guy makes the exact statement about another race, BBC would fire him?" Actually the BBC as a corporation is over represented with BAME employees. Am I allowed to day that being a white guy? | |||
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"As we are talking about BBC, I thought I would point out the recent story. BBC Radio 5 Live presenter Nihal Arthanayake has said an overwhelmingly “white” working environment is affecting his mental health. The presenter told a journalism diversity conference on Wednesday: “It’s really affecting me that I walk in and all I see is white people.” Surely if a white guy makes the exact statement about another race, BBC would fire him? Actually the BBC as a corporation is over represented with BAME employees. Am I allowed to day that being a white guy?" No according to some... | |||
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"It goes to the heart of journalism. Time was hard nosed news reporters dug down to get at the facts of a story. Now we get celeb type newsreaders just pronouncing "it's been reported that blah blah blah", with no effort to verify the facts. That's not journalism in my book. They are not fact checking their own work, but take pride in telling readers that they have fact checked others. Considering the sensitivity of such stories and the harm they can cause, it leaves me scratching my head for the reason they published this story based on certain propaganda from one side or the other. I have also noticed that a report has mostly more than one person credited to it, a report of many as if by committee.what fact checking would you expect here ? Which side of the story was correct, if they can't verify then what is the point of the report. Which incidentally brings us back to my original point... " for my money, it's kinda interesting. I'm happy seeing stories with different views and interpretations. But this story waa apparently easy to discredit, but I'm not sure how. It's he says, she's says, reader draw your own conclusion. That's not biased propaganda to me. Not when it's both sided. | |||
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"It goes to the heart of journalism. Time was hard nosed news reporters dug down to get at the facts of a story. Now we get celeb type newsreaders just pronouncing "it's been reported that blah blah blah", with no effort to verify the facts. That's not journalism in my book. They are not fact checking their own work, but take pride in telling readers that they have fact checked others. Considering the sensitivity of such stories and the harm they can cause, it leaves me scratching my head for the reason they published this story based on certain propaganda from one side or the other. I have also noticed that a report has mostly more than one person credited to it, a report of many as if by committee.what fact checking would you expect here ? Which side of the story was correct, if they can't verify then what is the point of the report. Which incidentally brings us back to my original point... for my money, it's kinda interesting. I'm happy seeing stories with different views and interpretations. But this story waa apparently easy to discredit, but I'm not sure how. It's he says, she's says, reader draw your own conclusion. That's not biased propaganda to me. Not when it's both sided. " They reported propaganda and balanced it out by offering up a different piece of propaganda. They are reporting propaganda.... Which is BS journalism, surely. | |||
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"It goes to the heart of journalism. Time was hard nosed news reporters dug down to get at the facts of a story. Now we get celeb type newsreaders just pronouncing "it's been reported that blah blah blah", with no effort to verify the facts. That's not journalism in my book. They are not fact checking their own work, but take pride in telling readers that they have fact checked others. Considering the sensitivity of such stories and the harm they can cause, it leaves me scratching my head for the reason they published this story based on certain propaganda from one side or the other. I have also noticed that a report has mostly more than one person credited to it, a report of many as if by committee.what fact checking would you expect here ? Which side of the story was correct, if they can't verify then what is the point of the report. Which incidentally brings us back to my original point... for my money, it's kinda interesting. I'm happy seeing stories with different views and interpretations. But this story waa apparently easy to discredit, but I'm not sure how. It's he says, she's says, reader draw your own conclusion. That's not biased propaganda to me. Not when it's both sided. They reported propaganda and balanced it out by offering up a different piece of propaganda. They are reporting propaganda.... Which is BS journalism, surely. " if they didn't we would get nothing out of the middle east. At least we are (it seems) agreeing it's balanced propaganda. Less an agenda, more filling space given little verifiable stories from the ME. | |||
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"It goes to the heart of journalism. Time was hard nosed news reporters dug down to get at the facts of a story. Now we get celeb type newsreaders just pronouncing "it's been reported that blah blah blah", with no effort to verify the facts. That's not journalism in my book. They are not fact checking their own work, but take pride in telling readers that they have fact checked others. Considering the sensitivity of such stories and the harm they can cause, it leaves me scratching my head for the reason they published this story based on certain propaganda from one side or the other. I have also noticed that a report has mostly more than one person credited to it, a report of many as if by committee.what fact checking would you expect here ? Which side of the story was correct, if they can't verify then what is the point of the report. Which incidentally brings us back to my original point... for my money, it's kinda interesting. I'm happy seeing stories with different views and interpretations. But this story waa apparently easy to discredit, but I'm not sure how. It's he says, she's says, reader draw your own conclusion. That's not biased propaganda to me. Not when it's both sided. They reported propaganda and balanced it out by offering up a different piece of propaganda. They are reporting propaganda.... Which is BS journalism, surely. if they didn't we would get nothing out of the middle east. At least we are (it seems) agreeing it's balanced propaganda. Less an agenda, more filling space given little verifiable stories from the ME. " If you are calling filling space on their front page with propaganda, BS journalism, we are in agreement. | |||
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"It goes to the heart of journalism. Time was hard nosed news reporters dug down to get at the facts of a story. Now we get celeb type newsreaders just pronouncing "it's been reported that blah blah blah", with no effort to verify the facts. That's not journalism in my book. They are not fact checking their own work, but take pride in telling readers that they have fact checked others. Considering the sensitivity of such stories and the harm they can cause, it leaves me scratching my head for the reason they published this story based on certain propaganda from one side or the other. I have also noticed that a report has mostly more than one person credited to it, a report of many as if by committee.what fact checking would you expect here ? Which side of the story was correct, if they can't verify then what is the point of the report. Which incidentally brings us back to my original point... for my money, it's kinda interesting. I'm happy seeing stories with different views and interpretations. But this story waa apparently easy to discredit, but I'm not sure how. It's he says, she's says, reader draw your own conclusion. That's not biased propaganda to me. Not when it's both sided. They reported propaganda and balanced it out by offering up a different piece of propaganda. They are reporting propaganda.... Which is BS journalism, surely. if they didn't we would get nothing out of the middle east. At least we are (it seems) agreeing it's balanced propaganda. Less an agenda, more filling space given little verifiable stories from the ME. If you are calling filling space on their front page with propaganda, BS journalism, we are in agreement. " I am not. I struggle to see what other journalism they can get out of the ME. And I feel it's important we have some form of news from there. I accept tho it's likely to include some propaganda or half truths at least. I accept that some of the news won't be easy to discredit. Nature of the beast. All I ask is that it's clear who is claiming what and they seek to get a balance of views. They appear to have achieved that on this case. I'm fine if you have a different bar of what you want to see. Not arguing there. However I took your OP as being a) they had an agenda (implying one side) and 2) their agenda was easily proven to be falsified. Your subsequent posts don't seem to be saying that any more.  | |||
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"To influence an audience to further an agenda: Why is the BBC being caught out time and time again peddling propaganda that "seems very easy to discredit". On the BBC news page it reports how 18 year old Mohammed Nazzal was beaten, set upon by muzzled dogs and had his hands broken, a photograph accompanies the story and the 18 year old looks troubled with bandaged hands. Within the same story is a video released by the IDF who claim it clearly shows Mohammed Nazzal leaving for Gaza and showing he was not beaten or suffering the injuries stated, the video does show no bandaged hands, and he was using his hands to steady himself getting on a coach. What is the point of this story, one side is clearly lying, so why go down this route of reporting, what is there to gain? This is not the first time in this war that the BBC has been caught out with such lazy journalism! They reported as factual, staged propaganda by Hamas, in fact it became a joke as the same person is seen acting many different roles in a number of videos and yet the BBC ran with the videos highlighting the suffering in Gaza. The problems and conflicts this war is bringing to communities all over the world is being fuelled by such lazy journalism, and to be honest I expect more from the BBC, right now they are an embarrassment. " Perhaps those at the BBC that checked out this story were also those that checked out the farage bank account story. | |||
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"To influence an audience to further an agenda: Why is the BBC being caught out time and time again peddling propaganda that "seems very easy to discredit". On the BBC news page it reports how 18 year old Mohammed Nazzal was beaten, set upon by muzzled dogs and had his hands broken, a photograph accompanies the story and the 18 year old looks troubled with bandaged hands. Within the same story is a video released by the IDF who claim it clearly shows Mohammed Nazzal leaving for Gaza and showing he was not beaten or suffering the injuries stated, the video does show no bandaged hands, and he was using his hands to steady himself getting on a coach. What is the point of this story, one side is clearly lying, so why go down this route of reporting, what is there to gain? This is not the first time in this war that the BBC has been caught out with such lazy journalism! They reported as factual, staged propaganda by Hamas, in fact it became a joke as the same person is seen acting many different roles in a number of videos and yet the BBC ran with the videos highlighting the suffering in Gaza. The problems and conflicts this war is bringing to communities all over the world is being fuelled by such lazy journalism, and to be honest I expect more from the BBC, right now they are an embarrassment. Perhaps those at the BBC that checked out this story were also those that checked out the farage bank account story."  | |||
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"The BBC just spouts far left propaganda and the only people who like it or watch it are left wing. They are just preaching to the converted. The problem is of course being forced to pay for the drivel when one doesn’t watch it. If the BBC wants to spew left wing bile all day long that’s fine but it can source its own funding. The BBC is just one of numerous organisations in the UK which need to be brought kicking and screaming into the 21st century. They continue to act like it’s the 1950’s with an outmoded funding model and an out of touch attitude that it’s somehow their job to “educate” the unwashed plebs on what the “correct” opinions to hold are." That ignores reports when they are typically seen as a government rightwing mouthpiece | |||
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"The BBC just spouts far left propaganda and the only people who like it or watch it are left wing. They are just preaching to the converted. The problem is of course being forced to pay for the drivel when one doesn’t watch it. If the BBC wants to spew left wing bile all day long that’s fine but it can source its own funding. The BBC is just one of numerous organisations in the UK which need to be brought kicking and screaming into the 21st century. They continue to act like it’s the 1950’s with an outmoded funding model and an out of touch attitude that it’s somehow their job to “educate” the unwashed plebs on what the “correct” opinions to hold are. That ignores reports when they are typically seen as a government rightwing mouthpiece " Who is saying that? Rightwing | |||
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"If Palestine is granted status as an officially recognised state, then it may become a little easier to get official reports, equivalent to those of Israel. The BBC will usually report on their sources and potential limitations of news sources. Obviously in war zones, there are fast changing events and limits to what may be being reported and able to be verified from multiple sources. There are issues on either side of the war and OP may need to elicit data from multiple outlets, bearing this and other highlighted problems in mind, whilst keeping an open questioning mind " They have reporters in Gaza, they chose to run with a story that has been cobbled together by Hamas to bring pity on an 18 year old and anger supporters. They then show a video from the IDF disputing events, again it has the potential to stir the hornets nest. With no way of knowing who is telling the truth, why run with the story, why not shelve it until they are sure of the truth if the item is so important it needs to be on the front page? If they are leaving the public to make their minds up on what bit of propaganda is right or wrong, they are simply fuelling the tensions. | |||
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"The BBC just spouts far left propaganda and the only people who like it or watch it are left wing. They are just preaching to the converted. The problem is of course being forced to pay for the drivel when one doesn’t watch it. If the BBC wants to spew left wing bile all day long that’s fine but it can source its own funding. The BBC is just one of numerous organisations in the UK which need to be brought kicking and screaming into the 21st century. They continue to act like it’s the 1950’s with an outmoded funding model and an out of touch attitude that it’s somehow their job to “educate” the unwashed plebs on what the “correct” opinions to hold are." Dead right. The BBC has horrific far left propaganda like science programmes, people who aren't even racist presenting TV shows, and very occasionally they mildly question the government. | |||
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"The BBC just spouts far left propaganda and the only people who like it or watch it are left wing. They are just preaching to the converted. The problem is of course being forced to pay for the drivel when one doesn’t watch it. If the BBC wants to spew left wing bile all day long that’s fine but it can source its own funding. The BBC is just one of numerous organisations in the UK which need to be brought kicking and screaming into the 21st century. They continue to act like it’s the 1950’s with an outmoded funding model and an out of touch attitude that it’s somehow their job to “educate” the unwashed plebs on what the “correct” opinions to hold are. Dead right. The BBC has horrific far left propaganda like science programmes, people who aren't even racist presenting TV shows, and very occasionally they mildly question the government. "And you are constantly berating GB News, when you have an alternative that ticks all your boxes. Stop watching GB News | |||
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"The BBC just spouts far left propaganda and the only people who like it or watch it are left wing. They are just preaching to the converted. The problem is of course being forced to pay for the drivel when one doesn’t watch it. If the BBC wants to spew left wing bile all day long that’s fine but it can source its own funding. The BBC is just one of numerous organisations in the UK which need to be brought kicking and screaming into the 21st century. They continue to act like it’s the 1950’s with an outmoded funding model and an out of touch attitude that it’s somehow their job to “educate” the unwashed plebs on what the “correct” opinions to hold are. Dead right. The BBC has horrific far left propaganda like science programmes, people who aren't even racist presenting TV shows, and very occasionally they mildly question the government.
And you are constantly berating GB News, when you have an alternative that ticks all your boxes.
Stop watching GB News "GBNews is also too far left. We need a proper unbiased TV channel that stops telling us what to blob group think etc. | |||
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"To put the whole story that was reported for balance, they also showed X rays taken which it's claimed by this boy's family are him and spoke to a surgeon who said there are broken bones.. My first instinct watching was 'hmm' given both sides are adept at media management and manipulation .. Then I saw the bus footage and thought ok that looks odd.. Then I saw the rest of it and to be honest I'm not sure of his story, yes there are bruises and what look like puncture wounds from alleged dog bites but I simply don't trust either side.. As much as it has faults and has made mistakes it is still simply reporting what it's being told by those at war who want to control the narrative.. We as viewers have to try and look objectively if we can at all the information regardless of whom is reporting it.. " | |||
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"The BBC just spouts far left propaganda and the only people who like it or watch it are left wing. They are just preaching to the converted. The problem is of course being forced to pay for the drivel when one doesn’t watch it. If the BBC wants to spew left wing bile all day long that’s fine but it can source its own funding. The BBC is just one of numerous organisations in the UK which need to be brought kicking and screaming into the 21st century. They continue to act like it’s the 1950’s with an outmoded funding model and an out of touch attitude that it’s somehow their job to “educate” the unwashed plebs on what the “correct” opinions to hold are. Dead right. The BBC has horrific far left propaganda like science programmes, people who aren't even racist presenting TV shows, and very occasionally they mildly question the government. "Why is it the Left that are so desperate to keep the BBC? Is a future Labour government going to scrap the licence fee? | |||
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"The BBC just spouts far left propaganda and the only people who like it or watch it are left wing. They are just preaching to the converted. The problem is of course being forced to pay for the drivel when one doesn’t watch it. If the BBC wants to spew left wing bile all day long that’s fine but it can source its own funding. The BBC is just one of numerous organisations in the UK which need to be brought kicking and screaming into the 21st century. They continue to act like it’s the 1950’s with an outmoded funding model and an out of touch attitude that it’s somehow their job to “educate” the unwashed plebs on what the “correct” opinions to hold are. Dead right. The BBC has horrific far left propaganda like science programmes, people who aren't even racist presenting TV shows, and very occasionally they mildly question the government.
Why is it the Left that are so desperate to keep the BBC?
"Because it's a mouthpiece for their far left agenda of science, not-being openly bigoted, and they even ask a slightly perplexing question to a Tory once in a while. " Is a future Labour government going to scrap the licence fee?" Who knows! | |||
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"Returning to the original post about the 18 year old, he is apparently celebrating his release with family without the bandages and with full use of his hands. If the videos are correct and showing the above as a setup, that would, to my knowledge be the 4th time that the BBC has reported Hamas propaganda on their prominent front page. Not a good look for the nations flagship news room…" sauce ? As "if the videos are correct" feels like we could be adding another layer of propaganda onto the mix. Can't have that ... | |||
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"Returning to the original post about the 18 year old, he is apparently celebrating his release with family without the bandages and with full use of his hands. If the videos are correct and showing the above as a setup, that would, to my knowledge be the 4th time that the BBC has reported Hamas propaganda on their prominent front page. Not a good look for the nations flagship news room…sauce ? As "if the videos are correct" feels like we could be adding another layer of propaganda onto the mix. Can't have that ... "Do you have access to twitter? Search for the video there. My comment of if they are correct, is sensible don’t you think? | |||
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"Returning to the original post about the 18 year old, he is apparently celebrating his release with family without the bandages and with full use of his hands. If the videos are correct and showing the above as a setup, that would, to my knowledge be the 4th time that the BBC has reported Hamas propaganda on their prominent front page. Not a good look for the nations flagship news room…" Why would they within days of the claims made put a video up showing it was a hoax..? Makes absolutely no sense.. | |||
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"Returning to the original post about the 18 year old, he is apparently celebrating his release with family without the bandages and with full use of his hands. If the videos are correct and showing the above as a setup, that would, to my knowledge be the 4th time that the BBC has reported Hamas propaganda on their prominent front page. Not a good look for the nations flagship news room…sauce ? As "if the videos are correct" feels like we could be adding another layer of propaganda onto the mix. Can't have that ...
Do you have access to twitter? Search for the video there.
My comment of if they are correct, is sensible don’t you think?"while they reported it, it was a fairly balanced article that allows the reader to makw their own mind. As we have covered many times. One of the sides was acting deceitfully. They showed both. But atm we are dealing with an IF in a propoganda war. So I'm gonna hold judgement until I've seen more. Are you sure the new vids are legit ? | |||
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"Returning to the original post about the 18 year old, he is apparently celebrating his release with family without the bandages and with full use of his hands. If the videos are correct and showing the above as a setup, that would, to my knowledge be the 4th time that the BBC has reported Hamas propaganda on their prominent front page. Not a good look for the nations flagship news room…sauce ? As "if the videos are correct" feels like we could be adding another layer of propaganda onto the mix. Can't have that ...
Do you have access to twitter? Search for the video there.
My comment of if they are correct, is sensible don’t you think?while they reported it, it was a fairly balanced article that allows the reader to makw their own mind. As we have covered many times. One of the sides was acting deceitfully. They showed both.
But atm we are dealing with an IF in a propoganda war. So I'm gonna hold judgement until I've seen more.
Are you sure the new vids are legit ? "I can’t be any clearer that I have no way of knowing whether the video, or the video are legit, which is the whole point of the thread…. Now taking in the above point, do you still believe the BBC should report stories they simply can’t collaborate as genuine, should they take a punt, or should they put 2 lies up as long as they are reporting. If you are happy with this level of reporting, then good for you and you are well served | |||
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"Returning to the original post about the 18 year old, he is apparently celebrating his release with family without the bandages and with full use of his hands. If the videos are correct and showing the above as a setup, that would, to my knowledge be the 4th time that the BBC has reported Hamas propaganda on their prominent front page. Not a good look for the nations flagship news room…sauce ? As "if the videos are correct" feels like we could be adding another layer of propaganda onto the mix. Can't have that ...
Do you have access to twitter? Search for the video there.
My comment of if they are correct, is sensible don’t you think?while they reported it, it was a fairly balanced article that allows the reader to makw their own mind. As we have covered many times. One of the sides was acting deceitfully. They showed both.
But atm we are dealing with an IF in a propoganda war. So I'm gonna hold judgement until I've seen more.
Are you sure the new vids are legit ?
I can’t be any clearer that I have no way of knowing whether the video, or the video are legit, which is the whole point of the thread….
Now taking in the above point, do you still believe the BBC should report stories they simply can’t collaborate as genuine, should they take a punt, or should they put 2 lies up as long as they are reporting.
If you are happy with this level of reporting, then good for you and you are well served "haven't we covered this ? I'm comfortable if there are both sides presented. Who knows if they are both lies ? But in a war beset with lies, if we don't look at anything that may be disputable, we look at nothing. Im happy to shake hands that we disagree what journalism consists of in this respect. I'm struggling with finding this video. The algorithms must be against me. All I can see is something that suggests a video is of a different person. Can I get a username to look up ? | |||
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"Returning to the original post about the 18 year old, he is apparently celebrating his release with family without the bandages and with full use of his hands. If the videos are correct and showing the above as a setup, that would, to my knowledge be the 4th time that the BBC has reported Hamas propaganda on their prominent front page. Not a good look for the nations flagship news room… Why would they within days of the claims made put a video up showing it was a hoax..? Makes absolutely no sense.." The videos of the 18 year old look as though they’ve been recorded by his family. The point I’m making is the BBC is part of the spread of this story, and should have shown restraint until they knew the actual truth. If it does turn out to be propaganda, the BBC journalist that reported it from Gaza, needs sacking. | |||
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"Returning to the original post about the 18 year old, he is apparently celebrating his release with family without the bandages and with full use of his hands. If the videos are correct and showing the above as a setup, that would, to my knowledge be the 4th time that the BBC has reported Hamas propaganda on their prominent front page. Not a good look for the nations flagship news room…sauce ? As "if the videos are correct" feels like we could be adding another layer of propaganda onto the mix. Can't have that ...
Do you have access to twitter? Search for the video there.
My comment of if they are correct, is sensible don’t you think?while they reported it, it was a fairly balanced article that allows the reader to makw their own mind. As we have covered many times. One of the sides was acting deceitfully. They showed both.
But atm we are dealing with an IF in a propoganda war. So I'm gonna hold judgement until I've seen more.
Are you sure the new vids are legit ?
I can’t be any clearer that I have no way of knowing whether the video, or the video are legit, which is the whole point of the thread….
Now taking in the above point, do you still believe the BBC should report stories they simply can’t collaborate as genuine, should they take a punt, or should they put 2 lies up as long as they are reporting.
If you are happy with this level of reporting, then good for you and you are well served haven't we covered this ?
I'm comfortable if there are both sides presented. Who knows if they are both lies ?
But in a war beset with lies, if we don't look at anything that may be disputable, we look at nothing.
Im happy to shake hands that we disagree what journalism consists of in this respect.
I'm struggling with finding this video. The algorithms must be against me. All I can see is something that suggests a video is of a different person. Can I get a username to look up ? "This is hard work mate… 18 year old Mohammed Nazza. You are missing the point by a universe… if you’re happy to be fed propaganda from either Hamas or the IDF from the BBC, then you have what you want. | |||
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"Returning to the original post about the 18 year old, he is apparently celebrating his release with family without the bandages and with full use of his hands. If the videos are correct and showing the above as a setup, that would, to my knowledge be the 4th time that the BBC has reported Hamas propaganda on their prominent front page. Not a good look for the nations flagship news room…sauce ? As "if the videos are correct" feels like we could be adding another layer of propaganda onto the mix. Can't have that ...
Do you have access to twitter? Search for the video there.
My comment of if they are correct, is sensible don’t you think?while they reported it, it was a fairly balanced article that allows the reader to makw their own mind. As we have covered many times. One of the sides was acting deceitfully. They showed both.
But atm we are dealing with an IF in a propoganda war. So I'm gonna hold judgement until I've seen more.
Are you sure the new vids are legit ?
I can’t be any clearer that I have no way of knowing whether the video, or the video are legit, which is the whole point of the thread….
Now taking in the above point, do you still believe the BBC should report stories they simply can’t collaborate as genuine, should they take a punt, or should they put 2 lies up as long as they are reporting.
If you are happy with this level of reporting, then good for you and you are well served haven't we covered this ?
I'm comfortable if there are both sides presented. Who knows if they are both lies ?
But in a war beset with lies, if we don't look at anything that may be disputable, we look at nothing.
Im happy to shake hands that we disagree what journalism consists of in this respect.
I'm struggling with finding this video. The algorithms must be against me. All I can see is something that suggests a video is of a different person. Can I get a username to look up ?
This is hard work mate… 18 year old Mohammed Nazza.
You are missing the point by a universe… if you’re happy to be fed propaganda from either Hamas or the IDF from the BBC, then you have what you want. "I'm just asking for someone posting the vid. And I'm happy in order to get an idea of what's going on. the BBC made it clear it was disputed. Let's shut this bit of the convo down.
Tbh I'd rather have two versions than get lost in an echo chamber like x. That's a propoganda feeding machine.
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"Returning to the original post about the 18 year old, he is apparently celebrating his release with family without the bandages and with full use of his hands. If the videos are correct and showing the above as a setup, that would, to my knowledge be the 4th time that the BBC has reported Hamas propaganda on their prominent front page. Not a good look for the nations flagship news room… Why would they within days of the claims made put a video up showing it was a hoax..? Makes absolutely no sense.. The videos of the 18 year old look as though they’ve been recorded by his family. The point I’m making is the BBC is part of the spread of this story, and should have shown restraint until they knew the actual truth. If it does turn out to be propaganda, the BBC journalist that reported it from Gaza, needs sacking. " How long do you expect them to wait? And who is the body or person who deems the story is true..? | |||
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"Returning to the original post about the 18 year old, he is apparently celebrating his release with family without the bandages and with full use of his hands. If the videos are correct and showing the above as a setup, that would, to my knowledge be the 4th time that the BBC has reported Hamas propaganda on their prominent front page. Not a good look for the nations flagship news room… Why would they within days of the claims made put a video up showing it was a hoax..? Makes absolutely no sense.. The videos of the 18 year old look as though they’ve been recorded by his family. The point I’m making is the BBC is part of the spread of this story, and should have shown restraint until they knew the actual truth. If it does turn out to be propaganda, the BBC journalist that reported it from Gaza, needs sacking. How long do you expect them to wait? And who is the body or person who deems the story is true..? " Knowing you have the ear of the country, do you report if's, but's or maybe's? | |||
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"Another story they were quick to blame istrael for at the start was, that it was them who bombed the hospital and the church, it then turns out it wasnt them, it shows how effective the propaganda from hamas was and still are as they have the public support." Seriously? That lie has been debunked so many times. And did you miss the fact that they lied about bombing the first hospital, only to go on and bomb dozens more. You only have to follow the trail of deleted tweets from official Israeli accounts to know when the next cover up is coming. I'm amazed anyone still falls for the lies. There's such an obvious pattern to it all. The level of cognitive dissonance is unreal! What's worse is that people are unable to call out war crimes when they see them being committed day in day out. If you wonder what you would have been doing while Hitler exterminated millions, you're doing it now. Btw has anyone ever actually read books on this topic instead of getting all their knowledge from the media of misinformation? | |||
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