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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own " If this is true. Is it worse than the over 10,000 Palestinian civilians they killed? | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own If this is true. Is it worse than the over 10,000 Palestinian civilians they killed?" None of the mentioned deaths would have happened if Hamas hadn't launched their terror attacks. The knew full well the consequences, but went ahead anyway. | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own " No they haven't. Hamas claim they can't return the hostages because Israel bombed them They have offered bo proof of this. It's more likely they beheaded and burned them. | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own No they haven't. Hamas claim they can't return the hostages because Israel bombed them They have offered bo proof of this. It's more likely they beheaded and burned them. " This is more than likely the case. Deflection tactics. | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own If this is true. Is it worse than the over 10,000 Palestinian civilians they killed? None of the mentioned deaths would have happened if Hamas hadn't launched their terror attacks. The knew full well the consequences, but went ahead anyway." Does that make them less tragic than those three that have allegedly been killed by the IDF? | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own If this is true. Is it worse than the over 10,000 Palestinian civilians they killed? None of the mentioned deaths would have happened if Hamas hadn't launched their terror attacks. The knew full well the consequences, but went ahead anyway. Does that make them less tragic than those three that have allegedly been killed by the IDF?" It proves the IDF point doesn't it? Hamas' is using human shields it's tragic for both sides but they are responsible for both Israeli deaths and Palestinians.If this was a conventional war Israel would of won already. It's not conventional. So more civilians are going to perish because the IDF can't distinguish between a military target or civilian. Hamas' has no qualms using the Palestinians as Martyrs in case you didn't notice. | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own If this is true. Is it worse than the over 10,000 Palestinian civilians they killed? None of the mentioned deaths would have happened if Hamas hadn't launched their terror attacks. The knew full well the consequences, but went ahead anyway. Does that make them less tragic than those three that have allegedly been killed by the IDF? It proves the IDF point doesn't it? Hamas' is using human shields it's tragic for both sides but they are responsible for both Israeli deaths and Palestinians.If this was a conventional war Israel would of won already. It's not conventional. So more civilians are going to perish because the IDF can't distinguish between a military target or civilian. Hamas' has no qualms using the Palestinians as Martyrs in case you didn't notice." Not sure why people are getting a boner for where the % of blame lies between Hamas and the IDF. I was just curious is these three deaths were more tragic than the over 10,000 other deaths. | |||
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" Does that make them less tragic than those three that have allegedly been killed by the IDF?" From whose perspective? For the deceased, dead is dead. For those living, dead is dead, but to some a martyr is glorious. On what scale does one measure "tragic"? Does the nature of one's death increase the tragedy? To some, yes. To others, no. | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own If this is true. Is it worse than the over 10,000 Palestinian civilians they killed? None of the mentioned deaths would have happened if Hamas hadn't launched their terror attacks. The knew full well the consequences, but went ahead anyway. Does that make them less tragic than those three that have allegedly been killed by the IDF? It proves the IDF point doesn't it? Hamas' is using human shields it's tragic for both sides but they are responsible for both Israeli deaths and Palestinians.If this was a conventional war Israel would of won already. It's not conventional. So more civilians are going to perish because the IDF can't distinguish between a military target or civilian. Hamas' has no qualms using the Palestinians as Martyrs in case you didn't notice. Not sure why people are getting a boner for where the % of blame lies between Hamas and the IDF. I was just curious is these three deaths were more tragic than the over 10,000 other deaths. " It was you who offered up the comparison in numbers, do you not see that? Bad actor, or poor judgement, I’m not sure. | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own If this is true. Is it worse than the over 10,000 Palestinian civilians they killed? None of the mentioned deaths would have happened if Hamas hadn't launched their terror attacks. The knew full well the consequences, but went ahead anyway. Does that make them less tragic than those three that have allegedly been killed by the IDF? It proves the IDF point doesn't it? Hamas' is using human shields it's tragic for both sides but they are responsible for both Israeli deaths and Palestinians.If this was a conventional war Israel would of won already. It's not conventional. So more civilians are going to perish because the IDF can't distinguish between a military target or civilian. Hamas' has no qualms using the Palestinians as Martyrs in case you didn't notice. Not sure why people are getting a boner for where the % of blame lies between Hamas and the IDF. I was just curious is these three deaths were more tragic than the over 10,000 other deaths. It was you who offered up the comparison in numbers, do you not see that? Bad actor, or poor judgement, I’m not sure." Correct. Others brought up who was to blame. | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own If this is true. Is it worse than the over 10,000 Palestinian civilians they killed? None of the mentioned deaths would have happened if Hamas hadn't launched their terror attacks. The knew full well the consequences, but went ahead anyway. Does that make them less tragic than those three that have allegedly been killed by the IDF? It proves the IDF point doesn't it? Hamas' is using human shields it's tragic for both sides but they are responsible for both Israeli deaths and Palestinians.If this was a conventional war Israel would of won already. It's not conventional. So more civilians are going to perish because the IDF can't distinguish between a military target or civilian. Hamas' has no qualms using the Palestinians as Martyrs in case you didn't notice. Not sure why people are getting a boner for where the % of blame lies between Hamas and the IDF. I was just curious is these three deaths were more tragic than the over 10,000 other deaths. It was you who offered up the comparison in numbers, do you not see that? Bad actor, or poor judgement, I’m not sure. Correct. Others brought up who was to blame. " Do you feel responsible with your loaded question? | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own If this is true. Is it worse than the over 10,000 Palestinian civilians they killed? None of the mentioned deaths would have happened if Hamas hadn't launched their terror attacks. The knew full well the consequences, but went ahead anyway. Does that make them less tragic than those three that have allegedly been killed by the IDF? It proves the IDF point doesn't it? Hamas' is using human shields it's tragic for both sides but they are responsible for both Israeli deaths and Palestinians.If this was a conventional war Israel would of won already. It's not conventional. So more civilians are going to perish because the IDF can't distinguish between a military target or civilian. Hamas' has no qualms using the Palestinians as Martyrs in case you didn't notice. Not sure why people are getting a boner for where the % of blame lies between Hamas and the IDF. I was just curious is these three deaths were more tragic than the over 10,000 other deaths. It was you who offered up the comparison in numbers, do you not see that? Bad actor, or poor judgement, I’m not sure. Correct. Others brought up who was to blame. Do you feel responsible with your loaded question?" Nope, I feel no responsibility for people bringing up the blame game. | |||
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"I don't understand. As sad as it is, war brings innocent victims. Simple as that " How many innocents have been killed in the apparent forgotten war in Ukraine | |||
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"Meanwhile in the West Bank where Israel pursues its genocide of the Palestinians, 240 Palestinians have been killed since October 7th,today's kill includes a 15yr old shot in the chest,and a 8 year old in the head." For a nation with nukes (or at least very advanced weaponry), they're pretty piss-poor at this genocide game. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/ | |||
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"Meanwhile in the West Bank where Israel pursues its genocide of the Palestinians, 240 Palestinians have been killed since October 7th,today's kill includes a 15yr old shot in the chest,and a 8 year old in the head. For a nation with nukes (or at least very advanced weaponry), they're pretty piss-poor at this genocide game. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings " Hugely inefficient, for a genocide. They really need to up their game to reach the big boys' club. They should really take a leaf from China's book, or various other contemporary nation states. | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings " Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard..." A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard..." What is disturbing is Saudi has killed close to 400000 yemenies. Israel because they are a democracy is supposed to take the moral high ground. Even if it's a detrement to their society. The west sees news makes a conscious decision that awww poor civilians. Let me get on this bandwagon. There are way worse conflicts going on but people have a inherent need to feel special. Because the news said it's Jews against Arabs. | |||
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" 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason...." Ah. So Israel has been asked to slow down the rate of extermination so as to use more munitions, to make more profits for Western countries. Genius, you've cracked it! Sometimes, where there isn't a proper rabbit hole to go down, Fab digs a whole warren! | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason...." You go on about arms like a little child banging a drum. Those same arms defended england. Brave men there defended england. Your peace and harmony bullshit isn't working now is it? You need a reality check. Same as others. | |||
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" 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... Ah. So Israel has been asked to slow down the rate of extermination so as to use more munitions, to make more profits for Western countries. Genius, you've cracked it! Sometimes, where there isn't a proper rabbit hole to go down, Fab digs a whole warren!" I'd suggest that the number of humans exterminated are neither here nor there. The objective of war is to make money. | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... You go on about arms like a little child banging a drum. Those same arms defended england. Brave men there defended england. Your peace and harmony bullshit isn't working now is it? You need a reality check. Same as others." One of us doesn't understand the point the other is making. Anyway, you and I reached an agree to disagree moment. You mentioned in another thread you were comfortable with the number of people who die in conflicts and wars so that arms companies can make money. I accept your view. | |||
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" 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... Ah. So Israel has been asked to slow down the rate of extermination so as to use more munitions, to make more profits for Western countries. Genius, you've cracked it! Sometimes, where there isn't a proper rabbit hole to go down, Fab digs a whole warren! I'd suggest that the number of humans exterminated are neither here nor there. The objective of war is to make money. " The objective of war is to live in peace. Seems you living in peace Germany is not bombing London now are they? | |||
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" 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... Ah. So Israel has been asked to slow down the rate of extermination so as to use more munitions, to make more profits for Western countries. Genius, you've cracked it! Sometimes, where there isn't a proper rabbit hole to go down, Fab digs a whole warren! I'd suggest that the number of humans exterminated are neither here nor there. The objective of war is to make money. " Understood. You waded into a discussion about genocide to demonstrate it's not about the killing, but the money. Fair enough. | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... You go on about arms like a little child banging a drum. Those same arms defended england. Brave men there defended england. Your peace and harmony bullshit isn't working now is it? You need a reality check. Same as others. One of us doesn't understand the point the other is making. Anyway, you and I reached an agree to disagree moment. You mentioned in another thread you were comfortable with the number of people who die in conflicts and wars so that arms companies can make money. I accept your view. " You are the one. Not me. Without financing arms arms so other nations can fight off a oppressor. Would you rather be a Nazi? I am positive a Jewish person would not want to live under sharia law. You might like that they should but I don't. | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... You go on about arms like a little child banging a drum. Those same arms defended england. Brave men there defended england. Your peace and harmony bullshit isn't working now is it? You need a reality check. Same as others. One of us doesn't understand the point the other is making. Anyway, you and I reached an agree to disagree moment. You mentioned in another thread you were comfortable with the number of people who die in conflicts and wars so that arms companies can make money. I accept your view. You are the one. Not me. Without financing arms arms so other nations can fight off a oppressor. Would you rather be a Nazi? I am positive a Jewish person would not want to live under sharia law. You might like that they should but I don't."  | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own If this is true. Is it worse than the over 10,000 Palestinian civilians they killed? None of the mentioned deaths would have happened if Hamas hadn't launched their terror attacks. The knew full well the consequences, but went ahead anyway. Does that make them less tragic than those three that have allegedly been killed by the IDF?" All deaths are tragic, but it was you who introduced the point about relative numbers. | |||
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"On the 7th well the 8th day after the attack, it was suggested to me to invest in an arms company. So I did and in a month I am loaded I have no idea of what to spend the cash on. I just spend spend and spend. Now I am investing in the building industry and commercial utilities as I hear the rebuilding of the Gazza strip will be a money maker. I urge you all to invest and lobby for no ceasefire in Gazza join me and others who revel in the mass murder of civilians in the thousands, to make thousands into millions of cash. I am also looking for other opportunities to make cash, so I saw others mention Iran do those people think Iran will be attacked if so do those have any idea when, as I would like to invest." Spend your 76p wisely  | |||
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"On the 7th well the 8th day after the attack, it was suggested to me to invest in an arms company. So I did and in a month I am loaded I have no idea of what to spend the cash on. I just spend spend and spend. Now I am investing in the building industry and commercial utilities as I hear the rebuilding of the Gazza strip will be a money maker. I urge you all to invest and lobby for no ceasefire in Gazza join me and others who revel in the mass murder of civilians in the thousands, to make thousands into millions of cash. I am also looking for other opportunities to make cash, so I saw others mention Iran do those people think Iran will be attacked if so do those have any idea when, as I would like to invest. Spend your 76p wisely "when I invested I had no idea that they would drop 250,000,000 tons of bombs on Gaza ho the joy. Now that is 76p every nano second to fast to spend so I may invest in medical equipment, as those 1500 plus casualties will need access to the best care that can be given in a tent. also winter clothing as without a roof over those heads they will need warm clothes ho the joy the money to be made. please keep on disagreeing as it helps to keeps eyes off me and who really perpetuates war and conflict. I thank you. without your agreement/disagreement all this would be impossible. | |||
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"On the 7th well the 8th day after the attack, it was suggested to me to invest in an arms company. So I did and in a month I am loaded I have no idea of what to spend the cash on. I just spend spend and spend. Now I am investing in the building industry and commercial utilities as I hear the rebuilding of the Gazza strip will be a money maker. I urge you all to invest and lobby for no ceasefire in Gazza join me and others who revel in the mass murder of civilians in the thousands, to make thousands into millions of cash. I am also looking for other opportunities to make cash, so I saw others mention Iran do those people think Iran will be attacked if so do those have any idea when, as I would like to invest. Spend your 76p wisely
when I invested I had no idea that they would drop 250,000,000 tons of bombs on Gaza ho the joy.
Now that is 76p every nano second to fast to spend so I may invest in medical equipment, as those 1500 plus casualties will need access to the best care that can be given in a tent.
also winter clothing as without a roof over those heads they will need warm clothes ho the joy the money to be made.
please keep on disagreeing as it helps to keeps eyes off me and who really perpetuates war and conflict.
I thank you. without your agreement/disagreement all this would be impossible."invest in guyana or Venezuela you might get another healthy return. | |||
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"On the 7th well the 8th day after the attack, it was suggested to me to invest in an arms company. So I did and in a month I am loaded I have no idea of what to spend the cash on. I just spend spend and spend. Now I am investing in the building industry and commercial utilities as I hear the rebuilding of the Gazza strip will be a money maker. I urge you all to invest and lobby for no ceasefire in Gazza join me and others who revel in the mass murder of civilians in the thousands, to make thousands into millions of cash. I am also looking for other opportunities to make cash, so I saw others mention Iran do those people think Iran will be attacked if so do those have any idea when, as I would like to invest. Spend your 76p wisely
when I invested I had no idea that they would drop 250,000,000 tons of bombs on Gaza ho the joy.
Now that is 76p every nano second to fast to spend so I may invest in medical equipment, as those 1500 plus casualties will need access to the best care that can be given in a tent.
also winter clothing as without a roof over those heads they will need warm clothes ho the joy the money to be made.
please keep on disagreeing as it helps to keeps eyes off me and who really perpetuates war and conflict.
I thank you. without your agreement/disagreement all this would be impossible. invest in guyana or Venezuela you might get another healthy return."Hey thanks world wide opportunities to spread hate and fear plus make a buck out of it. Better to invest in war than that petrodollar. | |||
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"Meanwhile in the West Bank where Israel pursues its genocide of the Palestinians, 240 Palestinians have been killed since October 7th,today's kill includes a 15yr old shot in the chest,and a 8 year old in the head." .have we got an independent confirmation of this? Not a Palestinian news source? | |||
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"According to the Palestinian Prisoners Society, 7,200 prisoners are being held by Israel, among them 88 women and 250 children aged 17 and under Good to see some of those children released in the hostage exchange, questioning what charges these children were held on. Travesty of the eight year old boy and fourteen year old murdered by Israel in jenin today. Unequivocal both sides are murdering bastards " Have we got independent verification of this other than hamas/ Palestinian new agencies? | |||
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"On the 7th well the 8th day after the attack, it was suggested to me to invest in an arms company. So I did and in a month I am loaded I have no idea of what to spend the cash on. I just spend spend and spend. Now I am investing in the building industry and commercial utilities as I hear the rebuilding of the Gazza strip will be a money maker. I urge you all to invest and lobby for no ceasefire in Gazza join me and others who revel in the mass murder of civilians in the thousands, to make thousands into millions of cash. I am also looking for other opportunities to make cash, so I saw others mention Iran do those people think Iran will be attacked if so do those have any idea when, as I would like to invest. Spend your 76p wisely
when I invested I had no idea that they would drop 250,000,000 tons of bombs on Gaza ho the joy.
Now that is 76p every nano second to fast to spend so I may invest in medical equipment, as those 1500 plus casualties will need access to the best care that can be given in a tent.
also winter clothing as without a roof over those heads they will need warm clothes ho the joy the money to be made.
please keep on disagreeing as it helps to keeps eyes off me and who really perpetuates war and conflict.
I thank you. without your agreement/disagreement all this would be impossible. invest in guyana or Venezuela you might get another healthy return.
Hey thanks world wide opportunities to spread hate and fear plus make a buck out of it.
Better to invest in war than that petrodollar."Right those pesky far left socialists in Venezuela don't know what to invest in. Maybe you can give them some pointers. | |||
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"FREE PALESTINE FROM THE ILLEGAL OCCUPATION. " Israel is by deleting Hamas. | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own If this is true. Is it worse than the over 10,000 Palestinian civilians they killed? None of the mentioned deaths would have happened if Hamas hadn't launched their terror attacks. The knew full well the consequences, but went ahead anyway." This . | |||
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"Go to Sky news report on yesterday's killing, Reuters reported it too,but skys is more detailed " They reported that hamas reported it. I would like verified evidence by independent assessment. This should be hard. The bodies should be available to hand over. | |||
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"Defence for children international nos for the west bank are 97 children killed in 2023,majority in the last 2 months" Have youngot and independent confirmation of the killings or not? | |||
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"Defence for children international nos for the west bank are 97 children killed in 2023,majority in the last 2 months" You are quoting dcip which is an independent source of news from dci. And has not verified how the children were killed and is not independent of Palestine. | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own If this is true. Is it worse than the over 10,000 Palestinian civilians they killed? None of the mentioned deaths would have happened if Hamas hadn't launched their terror attacks. The knew full well the consequences, but went ahead anyway." This post is so wrong on many levels! This is how Hitler Stalin and other dictators through history justify mass murder. Hamas don't care about them, America doesn't care about them. isreal certainly doesn't care about them no-one cares about them. I suppose the UN are anti senetic in criticising the mass murders too. Isreal is bringing shame on itself by being just like hamas!! | |||
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" Isreal is bringing shame on itself by being just like hamas!! You lack imagination. What would the Middle East like like if Hamas were in Israel's position? Israel is in no way "just like Hamas"? It IS just like hamas in attitude. Isreal is. Sovereign state and should follow UN guidelines on .war You conveniently overlook constant criticism by the UN. I suppose the UN are wrong too are they? Attack hamas yes but not like they way isreal is doing it. You are comfortable with thousands of innocent people dying then i take it" At this point, UN is just a glorified virtue signalling machine. It's easy to stay far away in air conditioned buildings and give moral opinions on good and bad. Israel is surrounded by people who will obliterate them if given an opportunity. Put yourself in their place and think. If Hamas attacks, goes back and hides behind human shields and Israel stops striking back because they can't handle the civilians dying, do you know what Hamas would think? They would just consider Israel weak minded and plan further attacks believing that they could just go back and hide the same way. Making attacks like this and hiding behind civilians is a common terrorist tactics. They do this because they know organisations like the UN will push these countries not to attack. From an Israeli perspective, not doing anything about it means they are basically showing a green flag for more attacks. | |||
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" Isreal is bringing shame on itself by being just like hamas!! You lack imagination. What would the Middle East like like if Hamas were in Israel's position? Israel is in no way "just like Hamas"? It IS just like hamas in attitude. Isreal is. Sovereign state and should follow UN guidelines on .war You conveniently overlook constant criticism by the UN. I suppose the UN are wrong too are they? Attack hamas yes but not like they way isreal is doing it. You are comfortable with thousands of innocent people dying then i take it At this point, UN is just a glorified virtue signalling machine. It's easy to stay far away in air conditioned buildings and give moral opinions on good and bad. Israel is surrounded by people who will obliterate them if given an opportunity. Put yourself in their place and think. If Hamas attacks, goes back and hides behind human shields and Israel stops striking back because they can't handle the civilians dying, do you know what Hamas would think? They would just consider Israel weak minded and plan further attacks believing that they could just go back and hide the same way. Making attacks like this and hiding behind civilians is a common terrorist tactics. They do this because they know organisations like the UN will push these countries not to attack. From an Israeli perspective, not doing anything about it means they are basically showing a green flag for more attacks. " Yes I see Hamas are using the people of Gaza as human shields, so the best way forward is to kill them all. Great tactic, if only they could convince others to agree. | |||
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No thank you, my thinking is if I bully a person that person or their mates will sooner or later give me a hiding."the thing about your last post, os I havw no does which sode you are talking about ! | |||
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No thank you, my thinking is if I bully a person that person or their mates will sooner or later give me a hiding."Funny enough, I said the same thing 2 months ago. Hamas went into Israel and killed/kidn*pped family members, Israel retaliated with full force (same as I'd do). #FAFO. They're finding out now. No doubt you'll say it didn't start in Oct. You're right, it didn't. I'd urge you to go all the way back and find out how it did start. Neither side is innocent in this. | |||
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" Isreal is bringing shame on itself by being just like hamas!! You lack imagination. What would the Middle East like like if Hamas were in Israel's position? Israel is in no way "just like Hamas"? It IS just like hamas in attitude. Isreal is. Sovereign state and should follow UN guidelines on .war You conveniently overlook constant criticism by the UN. I suppose the UN are wrong too are they? Attack hamas yes but not like they way isreal is doing it. You are comfortable with thousands of innocent people dying then i take it At this point, UN is just a glorified virtue signalling machine. It's easy to stay far away in air conditioned buildings and give moral opinions on good and bad. Israel is surrounded by people who will obliterate them if given an opportunity. Put yourself in their place and think. If Hamas attacks, goes back and hides behind human shields and Israel stops striking back because they can't handle the civilians dying, do you know what Hamas would think? They would just consider Israel weak minded and plan further attacks believing that they could just go back and hide the same way. Making attacks like this and hiding behind civilians is a common terrorist tactics. They do this because they know organisations like the UN will push these countries not to attack. From an Israeli perspective, not doing anything about it means they are basically showing a green flag for more attacks. Yes I see Hamas are using the people of Gaza as human shields, so the best way forward is to kill them all. Great tactic, if only they could convince others to agree." If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. | |||
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No thank you, my thinking is if I bully a person that person or their mates will sooner or later give me a hiding.
Funny enough, I said the same thing 2 months ago.
Hamas went into Israel and killed/kidn*pped family members, Israel retaliated with full force (same as I'd do). #FAFO. They're finding out now.
No doubt you'll say it didn't start in Oct. You're right, it didn't. I'd urge you to go all the way back and find out how it did start.
Neither side is innocent in this. "Yes blame both sides, that is the way, if im being bullied I will kick off so I would expect the same. | |||
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"There's far better ways to deal with hamas! Isreal has caused the problems it has by 70 years of brutal oppression.. " What is the far better way? | |||
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No thank you, my thinking is if I bully a person that person or their mates will sooner or later give me a hiding.
Funny enough, I said the same thing 2 months ago.
Hamas went into Israel and killed/kidn*pped family members, Israel retaliated with full force (same as I'd do). #FAFO. They're finding out now.
No doubt you'll say it didn't start in Oct. You're right, it didn't. I'd urge you to go all the way back and find out how it did start.
Neither side is innocent in this.
Yes blame both sides, that is the way, if im being bullied I will kick off so I would expect the same."So who is living with enemies all around them? Because it sure sounds like you're talking about Gaza (slither of land), doesnt sound very balanced. Do you also recognise that Israel live with enemies all around them? | |||
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" Isreal is bringing shame on itself by being just like hamas!! You lack imagination. What would the Middle East like like if Hamas were in Israel's position? Israel is in no way "just like Hamas"? It IS just like hamas in attitude. Isreal is. Sovereign state and should follow UN guidelines on .war You conveniently overlook constant criticism by the UN. I suppose the UN are wrong too are they? Attack hamas yes but not like they way isreal is doing it. You are comfortable with thousands of innocent people dying then i take it At this point, UN is just a glorified virtue signalling machine. It's easy to stay far away in air conditioned buildings and give moral opinions on good and bad. Israel is surrounded by people who will obliterate them if given an opportunity. Put yourself in their place and think. If Hamas attacks, goes back and hides behind human shields and Israel stops striking back because they can't handle the civilians dying, do you know what Hamas would think? They would just consider Israel weak minded and plan further attacks believing that they could just go back and hide the same way. Making attacks like this and hiding behind civilians is a common terrorist tactics. They do this because they know organisations like the UN will push these countries not to attack. From an Israeli perspective, not doing anything about it means they are basically showing a green flag for more attacks. Yes I see Hamas are using the people of Gaza as human shields, so the best way forward is to kill them all. Great tactic, if only they could convince others to agree. If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on." Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. | |||
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"If I was living with enemies all around me, I wouldn't put my neighbours in a slither of land next to me and control there utilities, inprision children and women with no charge. Take their homes and treat them inhumanly, shoot their children for throwing stones. I wouldn't do such things because then I would need to build a panic room to hide in when my neighbours have had enough of the way I treat them, and they kick off. Ho wait that did happen. In this case, your neighbour is your enemy and has been for a very long time. Imagine thinking that only you treat your neighbours badly and it isn't a two way thing
No thank you, my thinking is if I bully a person that person or their mates will sooner or later give me a hiding.
Funny enough, I said the same thing 2 months ago.
Hamas went into Israel and killed/kidn*pped family members, Israel retaliated with full force (same as I'd do). #FAFO. They're finding out now.
No doubt you'll say it didn't start in Oct. You're right, it didn't. I'd urge you to go all the way back and find out how it did start.
Neither side is innocent in this.
Yes blame both sides, that is the way, if im being bullied I will kick off so I would expect the same.
So who is living with enemies all around them? Because it sure sounds like you're talking about Gaza (slither of land), doesnt sound very balanced.
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them." 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't." What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't." Lectures, it is what I see, people being killed and the excuses I can make to let this continue. No not a lecture, just what I see. Why does noting what I see bother you, I have a right to say what I see, you must see the same the difference is you have decided to agree with the excuses, I haven't because I couldn't agree to killing on a mass scale. And I have come here to say that. | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. Lectures, it is what I see, people being killed and the excuses I can make to let this continue. No not a lecture, just what I see. Why does noting what I see bother you, I have a right to say what I see, you must see the same the difference is you have decided to agree with the excuses, I haven't because I couldn't agree to killing on a mass scale. And I have come here to say that." Who said it doesn't bother me or anyone else? It is sad and we all know it. But we also understand why Israel doesn't have a choice here. So we won't criticise Israel. Because if we put pressure on Israel to stop this and Hamas comes back to kill more Israelis, that blood will be in the hands of the people who stopped Israel. | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. Lectures, it is what I see, people being killed and the excuses I can make to let this continue. No not a lecture, just what I see. Why does noting what I see bother you, I have a right to say what I see, you must see the same the difference is you have decided to agree with the excuses, I haven't because I couldn't agree to killing on a mass scale. And I have come here to say that. Who said it doesn't bother me or anyone else? It is sad and we all know it. But we also understand why Israel doesn't have a choice here. So we won't criticise Israel. Because if we put pressure on Israel to stop this and Hamas comes back to kill more Israelis, that blood will be in the hands of the people who stopped Israel." It's mad that you think killing Palestinian civilians is the only way to stop Israelis from dying. Surely this is the biggest recruiting exercise for Hamas and other Palestinian based groups that want to do harm to Israel. Bonkers. | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis?" It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. Lectures, it is what I see, people being killed and the excuses I can make to let this continue. No not a lecture, just what I see. Why does noting what I see bother you, I have a right to say what I see, you must see the same the difference is you have decided to agree with the excuses, I haven't because I couldn't agree to killing on a mass scale. And I have come here to say that. Who said it doesn't bother me or anyone else? It is sad and we all know it. But we also understand why Israel doesn't have a choice here. So we won't criticise Israel. Because if we put pressure on Israel to stop this and Hamas comes back to kill more Israelis, that blood will be in the hands of the people who stopped Israel. It's mad that you think killing Palestinian civilians is the only way to stop Israelis from dying. Surely this is the biggest recruiting exercise for Hamas and other Palestinian based groups that want to do harm to Israel. Bonkers." Yet another post that says it's not the only solution but doesn't really tell us what the other solution. Please tell us your magical solution  | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality." Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. | |||
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"This is the way. Now it is morals. You guys are here discussing how it is ok to kill 15,000 people and counting. This is what I have read, it is ok to kill 15,000 plus people due to some of them having guns and weapons and hide in tunnels. Those who do not partake in this kind of activity and have no guns it is ok to kill because of the few who do. Have I understood this right? But because I am pointing this out, I have a high moral objection when it suits me. Is that right?" You are wrong. We know that 15,000 people dying is sad. But it's an unfortunate inevitability. Israel's hand is forced because of Hamas. Ideally Hamas would grow some balls and come out and fight openly. But we know that terrorists are cowards. They are happy to kill more Palestinians. So the fault lies with Hamas and we aren't going to criticise Israel. | |||
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"This is the way. Now it is morals. You guys are here discussing how it is ok to kill 15,000 people and counting. This is what I have read, it is ok to kill 15,000 plus people due to some of them having guns and weapons and hide in tunnels. Those who do not partake in this kind of activity and have no guns it is ok to kill because of the few who do. Have I understood this right? But because I am pointing this out, I have a high moral objection when it suits me. Is that right? You are wrong. We know that 15,000 people dying is sad. But it's an unfortunate inevitability. Israel's hand is forced because of Hamas. Ideally Hamas would grow some balls and come out and fight openly. But we know that terrorists are cowards. They are happy to kill more Palestinians. So the fault lies with Hamas and we aren't going to criticise Israel." Maybe take a pause and think about what you're saying here. | |||
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" Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. " You don't have to sort it out. But without a solution, your moral opinions are useless pretty much like what you read on a fortune cookie. " Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? " You have the right to your opinion. We have the right to call it bullshit or in this case... useless. " What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. " That should come with a condition that Hamas should never attack Israel. Can you guarantee that? Pretty sure they have broken multiple ceasefires in the past. They have openly claimed that their goal is to kill all of Israelis/Jews. So how can you get them to agree peace? | |||
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"This is the way. Now it is morals. You guys are here discussing how it is ok to kill 15,000 people and counting. This is what I have read, it is ok to kill 15,000 plus people due to some of them having guns and weapons and hide in tunnels. Those who do not partake in this kind of activity and have no guns it is ok to kill because of the few who do. Have I understood this right? But because I am pointing this out, I have a high moral objection when it suits me. Is that right? You are wrong. We know that 15,000 people dying is sad. But it's an unfortunate inevitability. Israel's hand is forced because of Hamas. Ideally Hamas would grow some balls and come out and fight openly. But we know that terrorists are cowards. They are happy to kill more Palestinians. So the fault lies with Hamas and we aren't going to criticise Israel. Maybe take a pause and think about what you're saying here." Yet another useless comment. Can you point out what's actually wrong? | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. " I am not a politician. So this is what I did. I wrote to my M.P not just once but many, many times (it is easy when I am already in front of my computer), Well to my surprise I wasn't the only one, so many wrote to him, to keep any chance of keeping his seat at the next election he resigned from labours front bench. That is the action I took, I pressured my local M.P to call for a ceasefire, which he did, he wasn't heard he resigned. What have you done other than excuse the mass murder of innocent people because of terrorists hiding amongst them, who is really the terrorist here. | |||
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"This is the way. Now it is morals. You guys are here discussing how it is ok to kill 15,000 people and counting. This is what I have read, it is ok to kill 15,000 plus people due to some of them having guns and weapons and hide in tunnels. Those who do not partake in this kind of activity and have no guns it is ok to kill because of the few who do. Have I understood this right? But because I am pointing this out, I have a high moral objection when it suits me. Is that right? You are wrong. We know that 15,000 people dying is sad. But it's an unfortunate inevitability. Israel's hand is forced because of Hamas. Ideally Hamas would grow some balls and come out and fight openly. But we know that terrorists are cowards. They are happy to kill more Palestinians. So the fault lies with Hamas and we aren't going to criticise Israel." Unfortunate, (strokes white cat) | |||
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"This is the way. Now it is morals. You guys are here discussing how it is ok to kill 15,000 people and counting. This is what I have read, it is ok to kill 15,000 plus people due to some of them having guns and weapons and hide in tunnels. Those who do not partake in this kind of activity and have no guns it is ok to kill because of the few who do. Have I understood this right? But because I am pointing this out, I have a high moral objection when it suits me. Is that right?" Wrong. Youre welcome to your morals, I just find it bizarre that those morals change depending on which side you're on. | |||
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"This is the way. Now it is morals. You guys are here discussing how it is ok to kill 15,000 people and counting. This is what I have read, it is ok to kill 15,000 plus people due to some of them having guns and weapons and hide in tunnels. Those who do not partake in this kind of activity and have no guns it is ok to kill because of the few who do. Have I understood this right? But because I am pointing this out, I have a high moral objection when it suits me. Is that right? You are wrong. We know that 15,000 people dying is sad. But it's an unfortunate inevitability. Israel's hand is forced because of Hamas. Ideally Hamas would grow some balls and come out and fight openly. But we know that terrorists are cowards. They are happy to kill more Palestinians. So the fault lies with Hamas and we aren't going to criticise Israel. Unfortunate, (strokes white cat)" Still waiting for your alternate solution  | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. I am not a politician. So this is what I did. I wrote to my M.P not just once but many, many times (it is easy when I am already in front of my computer), Well to my surprise I wasn't the only one, so many wrote to him, to keep any chance of keeping his seat at the next election he resigned from labours front bench. That is the action I took, I pressured my local M.P to call for a ceasefire, which he did, he wasn't heard he resigned. What have you done other than excuse the mass murder of innocent people because of terrorists hiding amongst them, who is really the terrorist here." What do you expect the MP to do? What should Israel do? | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. I am not a politician. So this is what I did. I wrote to my M.P not just once but many, many times (it is easy when I am already in front of my computer), Well to my surprise I wasn't the only one, so many wrote to him, to keep any chance of keeping his seat at the next election he resigned from labours front bench. That is the action I took, I pressured my local M.P to call for a ceasefire, which he did, he wasn't heard he resigned. What have you done other than excuse the mass murder of innocent people because of terrorists hiding amongst them, who is really the terrorist here. What do you expect the MP to do? What should Israel do?" You asked what I would do, I told you what I did. If I continue to answer you what woulds ill be here all day. Please tell me what you have done, except to make excuses to enable 15,000 people to slaughter. | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. I am not a politician. So this is what I did. I wrote to my M.P not just once but many, many times (it is easy when I am already in front of my computer), Well to my surprise I wasn't the only one, so many wrote to him, to keep any chance of keeping his seat at the next election he resigned from labours front bench. That is the action I took, I pressured my local M.P to call for a ceasefire, which he did, he wasn't heard he resigned. What have you done other than excuse the mass murder of innocent people because of terrorists hiding amongst them, who is really the terrorist here. What do you expect the MP to do? What should Israel do? You asked what I would do, I told you what I did. If I continue to answer you what woulds ill be here all day. Please tell me what you have done, except to make excuses to enable 15,000 people to slaughter." I didn't ask what you would do. Please read clearly. I asked what's the alternate for Israel. The letter you sent to your MP is as useful as "Tik Tok dance for peace in the middle east" posted by teens, unless there is a viable alternative. | |||
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"Am tired of arguing on these threads with people who have openly bought into the Israeli narrative and closed their eyes to willful collected punishment. I will only say two things here. The former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak once said "If I were a Palestinian at the right age, I would have joined one of the terrorist organizations at a certain stage". I believe most people on here would also have done the the same. Point two people conveniently forget it was a Israeli extremist who sabotaged progress to peace by the assassination Yitzhak Rabin. The assassin who was a supporter of the current right wing party propping up Nentanyahu's government. " If we go far enough in history, we can find both sides subotaging peace. | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. I am not a politician. So this is what I did. I wrote to my M.P not just once but many, many times (it is easy when I am already in front of my computer), Well to my surprise I wasn't the only one, so many wrote to him, to keep any chance of keeping his seat at the next election he resigned from labours front bench. That is the action I took, I pressured my local M.P to call for a ceasefire, which he did, he wasn't heard he resigned. What have you done other than excuse the mass murder of innocent people because of terrorists hiding amongst them, who is really the terrorist here. What do you expect the MP to do? What should Israel do? You asked what I would do, I told you what I did. If I continue to answer you what woulds ill be here all day. Please tell me what you have done, except to make excuses to enable 15,000 people to slaughter. I didn't ask what you would do. Please read clearly. I asked what's the alternate for Israel. The letter you sent to your MP is as useful as "Tik Tok dance for peace in the middle east" posted by teens, unless there is a viable alternative." To stop killing 15,000 plus people | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. I am not a politician. So this is what I did. I wrote to my M.P not just once but many, many times (it is easy when I am already in front of my computer), Well to my surprise I wasn't the only one, so many wrote to him, to keep any chance of keeping his seat at the next election he resigned from labours front bench. That is the action I took, I pressured my local M.P to call for a ceasefire, which he did, he wasn't heard he resigned. What have you done other than excuse the mass murder of innocent people because of terrorists hiding amongst them, who is really the terrorist here. What do you expect the MP to do? What should Israel do? You asked what I would do, I told you what I did. If I continue to answer you what woulds ill be here all day. Please tell me what you have done, except to make excuses to enable 15,000 people to slaughter. I didn't ask what you would do. Please read clearly. I asked what's the alternate for Israel. The letter you sent to your MP is as useful as "Tik Tok dance for peace in the middle east" posted by teens, unless there is a viable alternative. To stop killing 15,000 plus people" Would that mean Israel can live peacefully without any trouble from Hamas? | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. I am not a politician. So this is what I did. I wrote to my M.P not just once but many, many times (it is easy when I am already in front of my computer), Well to my surprise I wasn't the only one, so many wrote to him, to keep any chance of keeping his seat at the next election he resigned from labours front bench. That is the action I took, I pressured my local M.P to call for a ceasefire, which he did, he wasn't heard he resigned. What have you done other than excuse the mass murder of innocent people because of terrorists hiding amongst them, who is really the terrorist here. What do you expect the MP to do? What should Israel do? You asked what I would do, I told you what I did. If I continue to answer you what woulds ill be here all day. Please tell me what you have done, except to make excuses to enable 15,000 people to slaughter. I didn't ask what you would do. Please read clearly. I asked what's the alternate for Israel. The letter you sent to your MP is as useful as "Tik Tok dance for peace in the middle east" posted by teens, unless there is a viable alternative. To stop killing 15,000 plus people" Tell Hamas to surrender it's that easy. | |||
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" Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. You don't have to sort it out. But without a solution, your moral opinions are useless pretty much like what you read on a fortune cookie. " Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? " Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? You have the right to your opinion. We have the right to call it bullshit or in this case... useless. " Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. " What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. That should come with a condition that Hamas should never attack Israel. Can you guarantee that? Pretty sure they have broken multiple ceasefires in the past. They have openly claimed that their goal is to kill all of Israelis/Jews. So how can you get them to agree peace?" Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. I am not a politician. So this is what I did. I wrote to my M.P not just once but many, many times (it is easy when I am already in front of my computer), Well to my surprise I wasn't the only one, so many wrote to him, to keep any chance of keeping his seat at the next election he resigned from labours front bench. That is the action I took, I pressured my local M.P to call for a ceasefire, which he did, he wasn't heard he resigned. What have you done other than excuse the mass murder of innocent people because of terrorists hiding amongst them, who is really the terrorist here. What do you expect the MP to do? What should Israel do? You asked what I would do, I told you what I did. If I continue to answer you what woulds ill be here all day. Please tell me what you have done, except to make excuses to enable 15,000 people to slaughter. I didn't ask what you would do. Please read clearly. I asked what's the alternate for Israel. The letter you sent to your MP is as useful as "Tik Tok dance for peace in the middle east" posted by teens, unless there is a viable alternative. To stop killing 15,000 plus people Would that mean Israel can live peacefully without any trouble from Hamas?" I really do not know, I think that when one is busy killing 15,000 plus people peace is the last thing on their minds. I do not clutter my mind with news speak I just look and see and my mind tells me its wrong. I offer no solutions the only thing I offer is my disgust and condemnation of the murder of 15,000 people and counting, by a group of people who have suffered the same and it seems they have learned nothing, except how to efficiently kill 15,000 plus people | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? " I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. " Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. " People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. " Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? " I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. " There is stop killing 15.000 plus people. | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. I am not a politician. So this is what I did. I wrote to my M.P not just once but many, many times (it is easy when I am already in front of my computer), Well to my surprise I wasn't the only one, so many wrote to him, to keep any chance of keeping his seat at the next election he resigned from labours front bench. That is the action I took, I pressured my local M.P to call for a ceasefire, which he did, he wasn't heard he resigned. What have you done other than excuse the mass murder of innocent people because of terrorists hiding amongst them, who is really the terrorist here. What do you expect the MP to do? What should Israel do? You asked what I would do, I told you what I did. If I continue to answer you what woulds ill be here all day. Please tell me what you have done, except to make excuses to enable 15,000 people to slaughter. I didn't ask what you would do. Please read clearly. I asked what's the alternate for Israel. The letter you sent to your MP is as useful as "Tik Tok dance for peace in the middle east" posted by teens, unless there is a viable alternative. To stop killing 15,000 plus people Would that mean Israel can live peacefully without any trouble from Hamas? I really do not know, I think that when one is busy killing 15,000 plus people peace is the last thing on their minds. I do not clutter my mind with news speak I just look and see and my mind tells me its wrong. I offer no solutions the only thing I offer is my disgust and condemnation of the murder of 15,000 people and counting, by a group of people who have suffered the same and it seems they have learned nothing, except how to efficiently kill 15,000 plus people" Lots of civilians were killed in the second world war on either side. This what happens in a war. Should countries have avoided fighting Nazis? It gets worse when you have terrorists hiding behind civilians. | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. There is stop killing 15.000 plus people." So you don't care about Israel lives? Because that's exactly what would happen if they stop attacking | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. There is stop killing 15.000 plus people." Why are you holding Israel to a higher moral standard than Hamas'? Hamas' can stop the war by just surrendering. By not surrendering they are putting the Palestinians at risk. But Israel has to have more morals. Israel has stated it's goals repeatedly throughout this war. Elimination of Hamas. | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. I am not a politician. So this is what I did. I wrote to my M.P not just once but many, many times (it is easy when I am already in front of my computer), Well to my surprise I wasn't the only one, so many wrote to him, to keep any chance of keeping his seat at the next election he resigned from labours front bench. That is the action I took, I pressured my local M.P to call for a ceasefire, which he did, he wasn't heard he resigned. What have you done other than excuse the mass murder of innocent people because of terrorists hiding amongst them, who is really the terrorist here. What do you expect the MP to do? What should Israel do? You asked what I would do, I told you what I did. If I continue to answer you what woulds ill be here all day. Please tell me what you have done, except to make excuses to enable 15,000 people to slaughter. I didn't ask what you would do. Please read clearly. I asked what's the alternate for Israel. The letter you sent to your MP is as useful as "Tik Tok dance for peace in the middle east" posted by teens, unless there is a viable alternative. To stop killing 15,000 plus people Would that mean Israel can live peacefully without any trouble from Hamas? I really do not know, I think that when one is busy killing 15,000 plus people peace is the last thing on their minds. I do not clutter my mind with news speak I just look and see and my mind tells me its wrong. I offer no solutions the only thing I offer is my disgust and condemnation of the murder of 15,000 people and counting, by a group of people who have suffered the same and it seems they have learned nothing, except how to efficiently kill 15,000 plus people Lots of civilians were killed in the second world war on either side. This what happens in a war. Should countries have avoided fighting Nazis? It gets worse when you have terrorists hiding behind civilians. " You do not need to justify your thoughts on the mass murder of 15,000 people, I think I have read enough now, | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. There is stop killing 15.000 plus people. So you don't care about Israel lives? Because that's exactly what would happen if they stop attacking " 15,000 people plus 1500 Israeli lives time to stop now. enough is enough, the only people hurt are those who sell arms, the oil dealers will be ok the warships are protecting their interests. | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. I am not a politician. So this is what I did. I wrote to my M.P not just once but many, many times (it is easy when I am already in front of my computer), Well to my surprise I wasn't the only one, so many wrote to him, to keep any chance of keeping his seat at the next election he resigned from labours front bench. That is the action I took, I pressured my local M.P to call for a ceasefire, which he did, he wasn't heard he resigned. What have you done other than excuse the mass murder of innocent people because of terrorists hiding amongst them, who is really the terrorist here. What do you expect the MP to do? What should Israel do? You asked what I would do, I told you what I did. If I continue to answer you what woulds ill be here all day. Please tell me what you have done, except to make excuses to enable 15,000 people to slaughter. I didn't ask what you would do. Please read clearly. I asked what's the alternate for Israel. The letter you sent to your MP is as useful as "Tik Tok dance for peace in the middle east" posted by teens, unless there is a viable alternative. To stop killing 15,000 plus people Would that mean Israel can live peacefully without any trouble from Hamas? I really do not know, I think that when one is busy killing 15,000 plus people peace is the last thing on their minds. I do not clutter my mind with news speak I just look and see and my mind tells me its wrong. I offer no solutions the only thing I offer is my disgust and condemnation of the murder of 15,000 people and counting, by a group of people who have suffered the same and it seems they have learned nothing, except how to efficiently kill 15,000 plus people Lots of civilians were killed in the second world war on either side. This what happens in a war. Should countries have avoided fighting Nazis? It gets worse when you have terrorists hiding behind civilians. You do not need to justify your thoughts on the mass murder of 15,000 people, I think I have read enough now, " That just looks like a lame copout because you don't have an answer. I have made my point clear on the situation. I am not one to virtue signal on the internet with impractical opinions just so that I can feel morally superior over the rest. | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. I am not a politician. So this is what I did. I wrote to my M.P not just once but many, many times (it is easy when I am already in front of my computer), Well to my surprise I wasn't the only one, so many wrote to him, to keep any chance of keeping his seat at the next election he resigned from labours front bench. That is the action I took, I pressured my local M.P to call for a ceasefire, which he did, he wasn't heard he resigned. What have you done other than excuse the mass murder of innocent people because of terrorists hiding amongst them, who is really the terrorist here. What do you expect the MP to do? What should Israel do? You asked what I would do, I told you what I did. If I continue to answer you what woulds ill be here all day. Please tell me what you have done, except to make excuses to enable 15,000 people to slaughter. I didn't ask what you would do. Please read clearly. I asked what's the alternate for Israel. The letter you sent to your MP is as useful as "Tik Tok dance for peace in the middle east" posted by teens, unless there is a viable alternative. To stop killing 15,000 plus people Would that mean Israel can live peacefully without any trouble from Hamas? I really do not know, I think that when one is busy killing 15,000 plus people peace is the last thing on their minds. I do not clutter my mind with news speak I just look and see and my mind tells me its wrong. I offer no solutions the only thing I offer is my disgust and condemnation of the murder of 15,000 people and counting, by a group of people who have suffered the same and it seems they have learned nothing, except how to efficiently kill 15,000 plus people Lots of civilians were killed in the second world war on either side. This what happens in a war. Should countries have avoided fighting Nazis? It gets worse when you have terrorists hiding behind civilians. You do not need to justify your thoughts on the mass murder of 15,000 people, I think I have read enough now, That just looks like a lame copout because you don't have an answer. I have made my point clear on the situation. I am not one to virtue signal on the internet with impractical opinions just so that I can feel morally superior over the rest." !5,000 people and your trying to argue. | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. I am not a politician. So this is what I did. I wrote to my M.P not just once but many, many times (it is easy when I am already in front of my computer), Well to my surprise I wasn't the only one, so many wrote to him, to keep any chance of keeping his seat at the next election he resigned from labours front bench. That is the action I took, I pressured my local M.P to call for a ceasefire, which he did, he wasn't heard he resigned. What have you done other than excuse the mass murder of innocent people because of terrorists hiding amongst them, who is really the terrorist here. What do you expect the MP to do? What should Israel do? You asked what I would do, I told you what I did. If I continue to answer you what woulds ill be here all day. Please tell me what you have done, except to make excuses to enable 15,000 people to slaughter. I didn't ask what you would do. Please read clearly. I asked what's the alternate for Israel. The letter you sent to your MP is as useful as "Tik Tok dance for peace in the middle east" posted by teens, unless there is a viable alternative. To stop killing 15,000 plus people Would that mean Israel can live peacefully without any trouble from Hamas? I really do not know, I think that when one is busy killing 15,000 plus people peace is the last thing on their minds. I do not clutter my mind with news speak I just look and see and my mind tells me its wrong. I offer no solutions the only thing I offer is my disgust and condemnation of the murder of 15,000 people and counting, by a group of people who have suffered the same and it seems they have learned nothing, except how to efficiently kill 15,000 plus people Lots of civilians were killed in the second world war on either side. This what happens in a war. Should countries have avoided fighting Nazis? It gets worse when you have terrorists hiding behind civilians. You do not need to justify your thoughts on the mass murder of 15,000 people, I think I have read enough now, That just looks like a lame copout because you don't have an answer. I have made my point clear on the situation. I am not one to virtue signal on the internet with impractical opinions just so that I can feel morally superior over the rest. !5,000 people and your trying to argue." So sad you weren't here during second world war. You would have stopped Britain from going to war against Nazis because it would have resulted in so many civilian casualties. The world would have been a much better place that way. We missed a glorious opportunity to stick to moral principles. And after Israel just stops attacking, Hamas will go back to kill and r@pe Israelis. But anyway, who cares about the Israeli lives? It's much more important to stick to moral principles proposed by people on the internet. | |||
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" If you have some other tactic to destroy Hamas and defend Israeli people, I am all ears. Instead, if you just want to give moral lectures without giving an alternative, then carry on. Yes the only way is to kill them all, kill all of them. 1 - You are just another person going around and giving moral lectures without providing an alternative that will let Israeli people live peacefully 2 - Israel is not killing them all. If they wanted, they could have. But they haven't. What's wrong with having morals, or looking at the big picture of everyone living peacefully, not just Israelis? It's ok to have moral views. But if you are going to have only moral views without giving a good way to practically achieve it, your moral views are useless and you are just wasting people's time. That's why we are asking for a practical solution where Israelis can live peacefully without being attacked by Hamas. If you can't give that solution and you want Israel to stop attacking, you are indirectly asking for Israel to sign their own death warrant. Practically, no one would do that just for the sake of morality. Why is it down to me, some random dude on a swingers forum to sort this out. Why do you have the authority to say who can and can't have an opinion that differs from 'Israel must keep killing civilians in their 1000s'? What about: A practical solution where Palestinians can live peacefully without being attacked by Israel. I am not a politician. So this is what I did. I wrote to my M.P not just once but many, many times (it is easy when I am already in front of my computer), Well to my surprise I wasn't the only one, so many wrote to him, to keep any chance of keeping his seat at the next election he resigned from labours front bench. That is the action I took, I pressured my local M.P to call for a ceasefire, which he did, he wasn't heard he resigned. What have you done other than excuse the mass murder of innocent people because of terrorists hiding amongst them, who is really the terrorist here. What do you expect the MP to do? What should Israel do? You asked what I would do, I told you what I did. If I continue to answer you what woulds ill be here all day. Please tell me what you have done, except to make excuses to enable 15,000 people to slaughter. I didn't ask what you would do. Please read clearly. I asked what's the alternate for Israel. The letter you sent to your MP is as useful as "Tik Tok dance for peace in the middle east" posted by teens, unless there is a viable alternative. To stop killing 15,000 plus people Would that mean Israel can live peacefully without any trouble from Hamas? I really do not know, I think that when one is busy killing 15,000 plus people peace is the last thing on their minds. I do not clutter my mind with news speak I just look and see and my mind tells me its wrong. I offer no solutions the only thing I offer is my disgust and condemnation of the murder of 15,000 people and counting, by a group of people who have suffered the same and it seems they have learned nothing, except how to efficiently kill 15,000 plus people Lots of civilians were killed in the second world war on either side. This what happens in a war. Should countries have avoided fighting Nazis? It gets worse when you have terrorists hiding behind civilians. You do not need to justify your thoughts on the mass murder of 15,000 people, I think I have read enough now, That just looks like a lame copout because you don't have an answer. I have made my point clear on the situation. I am not one to virtue signal on the internet with impractical opinions just so that I can feel morally superior over the rest. !5,000 people and your trying to argue. So sad you weren't here during second world war. You would have stopped Britain from going to war against Nazis because it would have resulted in so many civilian casualties. The world would have been a much better place that way. We missed a glorious opportunity to stick to moral principles. And after Israel just stops attacking, Hamas will go back to kill and r@pe Israelis. But anyway, who cares about the Israeli lives? It's much more important to stick to moral principles proposed by people on the internet." 15,000 | |||
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"Am tired of arguing on these threads with people who have openly bought into the Israeli narrative and closed their eyes to willful collected punishment. I will only say two things here. The former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak once said "If I were a Palestinian at the right age, I would have joined one of the terrorist organizations at a certain stage". I believe most people on here would also have done the the same. Point two people conveniently forget it was a Israeli extremist who sabotaged progress to peace by the assassination Yitzhak Rabin. The assassin who was a supporter of the current right wing party propping up Nentanyahu's government. " I'm sure people in here are also tired of interacting with people defending an attack on Israel soil, kidknappoing 100+people, beheading, burning and r@ping women and children. But hey ho. | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. " It doesn't seem outrageous to me to suggest that mass murdering civilians is not moral. " Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. " That you think people opposed to mass murdering civilians are "virtue signalling" tells us everything. " Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. " It's clearly a complex problem. But the baseline problem is that civilians are dying brutally in large numbers. You'd have thought that step one would be to stop killing civilians in large numbers, then sit round a table and start tackling the issues. | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. There is stop killing 15.000 plus people. Why are you holding Israel to a higher moral standard than Hamas'? Hamas' can stop the war by just surrendering. By not surrendering they are putting the Palestinians at risk. But Israel has to have more morals. Israel has stated it's goals repeatedly throughout this war. Elimination of Hamas. Morals again, this has already been tried, and failed. There is nothing moral about killing 15,000 plus people, there is no high to point this out as murder. It is what is to justify it with news speak is strange to actually see this in action to see people pick up the words and excuses heard on MSM and then come and repeat them here is quite amazing to see." I didn't pick up anything off the news channels. My opinion has been the same since the start of the war. It's easy to end like I said repeatedly Hamas' should surrender otherwise it's back to combat operations and people will die. | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. It doesn't seem outrageous to me to suggest that mass murdering civilians is not moral. Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. That you think people opposed to mass murdering civilians are "virtue signalling" tells us everything. Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. It's clearly a complex problem. But the baseline problem is that civilians are dying brutally in large numbers. You'd have thought that step one would be to stop killing civilians in large numbers, then sit round a table and start tackling the issues. " Have you got independent verification of numbers of innocent Palestinians killed by Israel. I think I might just ask this every day from now on. Not just Al.jazeera made up numbers. But western organisations and UN confirmation please. I will wait. | |||
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" It doesn't seem outrageous to me to suggest that mass murdering civilians is not moral. " I ask the same question I asked the other person. Would you have wanted Britain to avoid second world war because it would have inevitably caused lot more civilian casualties? " That you think people opposed to mass murdering civilians are "virtue signalling" tells us everything. " The fact that you don't care about Hamas retaliating and killing lots of jews tells us everything. " It's clearly a complex problem. But the baseline problem is that civilians are dying brutally in large numbers. You'd have thought that step one would be to stop killing civilians in large numbers, then sit round a table and start tackling the issues. " Another great solution is for Hamas to come out in open. I don't see anyone suggesting that. I wonder why? | |||
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"Summary of the debate: Palestine supporters walk into a surgeon's room Palestine supporters - Cutting someone's arm is morally wrong. You should not do it. Surgeon - But it has a bad infection that will spread and kill this guy Palestine supporters - Is it so hard to understand that cutting off someone's arm is bad? Surgeon - But look at the context. This guy's life is in danger Palestine supporters - The fact that you are totally fine amputation of someone's arm tells a lot about you. Surgeon - But what else can I do to save this guy's life? Palestine supporters - Why are you asking me for solutions? It's not my job. You are the doctor here. Removing someone's arm is bad. Surgeon - But his life... Palestine supprters - Cutting someone's arm is bad. Cutting someone's arm is bad. Cutting someone's arm is bad. Cutting someone's arm is bad. Cutting someone's arm is bad. Can't you see it?"  | |||
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"Summary of the debate: Palestine supporters walk into a surgeon's room Palestine supporters - Cutting someone's arm is morally wrong. You should not do it. Surgeon - But it has a bad infection that will spread and kill this guy Palestine supporters - Is it so hard to understand that cutting off someone's arm is bad? Surgeon - But look at the context. This guy's life is in danger Palestine supporters - The fact that you are totally fine amputation of someone's arm tells a lot about you. Surgeon - But what else can I do to save this guy's life? Palestine supporters - Why are you asking me for solutions? It's not my job. You are the doctor here. Removing someone's arm is bad. Surgeon - But his life... Palestine supprters - Cutting someone's arm is bad. Cutting someone's arm is bad. Cutting someone's arm is bad. Cutting someone's arm is bad. Cutting someone's arm is bad. Can't you see it?" The argument, however, is "why are you amputating the arm when you could amputate the finger?" The answer is that while it may be possible to amputate the finger, it would cost a huge amount more, and leave other patients without treatment. Perhaps that's stretching the analogy further than it should go, but it's really not that simplistic, especially given that there are other moral positions and differences of opinions. | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own If this is true. Is it worse than the over 10,000 Palestinian civilians they killed? None of the mentioned deaths would have happened if Hamas hadn't launched their terror attacks. The knew full well the consequences, but went ahead anyway." | |||
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"Unverified atm, but appears Israel have bombed three members from one Israeli family held hostage in Gaza BBC interviews coming will Israel deny all knowledge of war crimes on their own If this is true. Is it worse than the over 10,000 Palestinian civilians they killed? None of the mentioned deaths would have happened if Hamas hadn't launched their terror attacks. The knew full well the consequences, but went ahead anyway. Does that make them less tragic than those three that have allegedly been killed by the IDF? It proves the IDF point doesn't it? Hamas' is using human shields it's tragic for both sides but they are responsible for both Israeli deaths and Palestinians.If this was a conventional war Israel would of won already. It's not conventional. So more civilians are going to perish because the IDF can't distinguish between a military target or civilian. Hamas' has no qualms using the Palestinians as Martyrs in case you didn't notice." | |||
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" The argument, however, is "why are you amputating the arm when you could amputate the finger?" The answer is that while it may be possible to amputate the finger, it would cost a huge amount more, and leave other patients without treatment. Perhaps that's stretching the analogy further than it should go, but it's really not that simplistic, especially given that there are other moral positions and differences of opinions. " That's the issue of oversimplifying to "15,000". That number is a multitude of different decisions by all parties. 15,000 is a meaningless number. It's 1+4+32+1+1+6+8...to 15,000. Each element has its own story, reason, justification, counter argument and mourning relatives. Trying to moralise in any direction based upon what we see/read in the UK, without a broader (real) appreciation, on the number 15,000, is an emotional and mental wank. Enjoy! That's what we're on this site for! | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. It doesn't seem outrageous to me to suggest that mass murdering civilians is not moral. Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. That you think people opposed to mass murdering civilians are "virtue signalling" tells us everything. Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. It's clearly a complex problem. But the baseline problem is that civilians are dying brutally in large numbers. You'd have thought that step one would be to stop killing civilians in large numbers, then sit round a table and start tackling the issues. Have you got independent verification of numbers of innocent Palestinians killed by Israel. " 1. I don't have the exact numbers. 2. I haven't claimed to have the numbers. 3. Why would I have independent verification for something I haven't claimed to know? " I think I might just ask this every day from now on. " I look forward to more irrelevant questions. On a side note, do you display the same rigorous analysis to the things you post, you make a large number of bizarre unsubstantiated claims. " Not just Al.jazeera made up numbers. But western organisations and UN confirmation please. I will wait." Feel free to wait. | |||
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" It doesn't seem outrageous to me to suggest that mass murdering civilians is not moral. I ask the same question I asked the other person. Would you have wanted Britain to avoid second world war because it would have inevitably caused lot more civilian casualties? " Is Britain, Palestine in this analogy? " That you think people opposed to mass murdering civilians are "virtue signalling" tells us everything. The fact that you don't care about Hamas retaliating and killing lots of jews tells us everything. " Why have you made up this utter bullshit. I have consistently said the same thing, over and over. I am opposed to all civilians being murdered. If you're unable to discuss things without making up bollocks like this. Then there is zero point in anyone debating anything with you. " It's clearly a complex problem. But the baseline problem is that civilians are dying brutally in large numbers. You'd have thought that step one would be to stop killing civilians in large numbers, then sit round a table and start tackling the issues. Another great solution is for Hamas to come out in open. I don't see anyone suggesting that. I wonder why?" Because it's utter nonsense and wouldn't solve anything. | |||
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" Is Britain, Palestine in this analogy? " The anology could go either way. Your only defense seems to be repeatedly saying "killing civilians is wrong". We are saying that it's inevitable in certain circumstances. Every war is an example of why it's inevitable. " Why have you made up this utter bullshit. I have consistently said the same thing, over and over. I am opposed to all civilians being murdered. If you're unable to discuss things without making up bollocks like this. Then there is zero point in anyone debating anything with you. " But what you are suggesting will indirectly lead to exactly that. Israelis being killed. It's like turning on the tap and saying I didn't want the water to flow, I only wanted the tap to be open. The effect is inevitable. " Because it's utter nonsense and wouldn't solve anything." If Hamas surrenders, rest of the world could actually ask Israel for a peaceful solution because they don't have to worry about Hamas attacks anymore. Why is it "utter nonsense"? | |||
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"Summary of the debate: Palestine supporters walk into a surgeon's room Palestine supporters - Cutting someone's arm is morally wrong. You should not do it. Surgeon - But it has a bad infection that will spread and kill this guy Palestine supporters - Is it so hard to understand that cutting off someone's arm is bad? Surgeon - But look at the context. This guy's life is in danger Palestine supporters - The fact that you are totally fine amputation of someone's arm tells a lot about you. Surgeon - But what else can I do to save this guy's life? Palestine supporters - Why are you asking me for solutions? It's not my job. You are the doctor here. Removing someone's arm is bad. Surgeon - But his life... Palestine supprters - Cutting someone's arm is bad. Cutting someone's arm is bad. Cutting someone's arm is bad. Cutting someone's arm is bad. Cutting someone's arm is bad. Can't you see it? The argument, however, is "why are you amputating the arm when you could amputate the finger?" The answer is that while it may be possible to amputate the finger, it would cost a huge amount more, and leave other patients without treatment. Perhaps that's stretching the analogy further than it should go, but it's really not that simplistic, especially given that there are other moral positions and differences of opinions. " Exactly! I am not saying Israelis are saints in this matter. It's very complex and mistakes have been done from both sides. There is zero trust between both sides for totally valid reasons. This is why just shouting "killing civilians is bad" doesn't really make any point. We all know that. But the situation is complex. | |||
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" Is Britain, Palestine in this analogy? The anology could go either way. Your only defense seems to be repeatedly saying "killing civilians is wrong". We are saying that it's inevitable in certain circumstances. Every war is an example of why it's inevitable. " Of course it's sometimes inevitable, however the actions of Hamas and the IDF are avoidable. That's the point. " Why have you made up this utter bullshit. I have consistently said the same thing, over and over. I am opposed to all civilians being murdered. If you're unable to discuss things without making up bollocks like this. Then there is zero point in anyone debating anything with you. But what you are suggesting will indirectly lead to exactly that. Israelis being killed. It's like turning on the tap and saying I didn't want the water to flow, I only wanted the tap to be open. The effect is inevitable. " Maybe it needs to be spelled out. For people who aren't racist. The ethnicity, nationality or religion of the civilians being killed, isn't an important factor. We oppose all the killings and mass killings of civilians. Maybe that helps? We advocate solutions that reduce or stop the number of civilians being killed. " Because it's utter nonsense and wouldn't solve anything. If Hamas surrenders, rest of the world could actually ask Israel for a peaceful solution because they don't have to worry about Hamas attacks anymore. Why is it "utter nonsense"?" Didn't work prior to this latest iteration of the war. Israel did whatever it liked with full support of the UK and the US. | |||
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" Of course it's sometimes inevitable, however the actions of Hamas and the IDF are avoidable. That's the point. " If it's avoidable, tell us the alternative for Israelis to live peacefully - Me for the 1000th time so far " We advocate solutions that reduce or stop the number of civilians being killed. " But you haven't provided any solutions other than asking one side to stop attacking when it's clearly known that the other side will attack again. So you are just setting way for Israelis to be killed and disguising it under "I am just trying to save civilians". The easiest way to save civilians now is for Hamas to surrender. " Didn't work prior to this latest iteration of the war. Israel did whatever it liked with full support of the UK and the US." If your goal is to just save civilians, if Hamas surrenders, Israel wouldn't have any justification to attack. That's a much better solution than asking Israel to "just stop killing civilians" | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. It doesn't seem outrageous to me to suggest that mass murdering civilians is not moral. Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. That you think people opposed to mass murdering civilians are "virtue signalling" tells us everything. Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. It's clearly a complex problem. But the baseline problem is that civilians are dying brutally in large numbers. You'd have thought that step one would be to stop killing civilians in large numbers, then sit round a table and start tackling the issues. Have you got independent verification of numbers of innocent Palestinians killed by Israel. 1. I don't have the exact numbers. 2. I haven't claimed to have the numbers. 3. Why would I have independent verification for something I haven't claimed to know? I think I might just ask this every day from now on. I look forward to more irrelevant questions. On a side note, do you display the same rigorous analysis to the things you post, you make a large number of bizarre unsubstantiated claims. Not just Al.jazeera made up numbers. But western organisations and UN confirmation please. I will wait. Feel free to wait. Feel free to point out the unsubstantiated large number claims Johnny. " How about, 'fluffy toy in background of photo, being conclusive evidence that an autistic kid is anti-Semitic.' " I await. " Waiting time concluded " And yes. I like sources and independent figures not propaganda." | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. It doesn't seem outrageous to me to suggest that mass murdering civilians is not moral. Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. That you think people opposed to mass murdering civilians are "virtue signalling" tells us everything. Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. It's clearly a complex problem. But the baseline problem is that civilians are dying brutally in large numbers. You'd have thought that step one would be to stop killing civilians in large numbers, then sit round a table and start tackling the issues. Have you got independent verification of numbers of innocent Palestinians killed by Israel. 1. I don't have the exact numbers. 2. I haven't claimed to have the numbers. 3. Why would I have independent verification for something I haven't claimed to know? I think I might just ask this every day from now on. I look forward to more irrelevant questions. On a side note, do you display the same rigorous analysis to the things you post, you make a large number of bizarre unsubstantiated claims. Not just Al.jazeera made up numbers. But western organisations and UN confirmation please. I will wait. Feel free to wait. Feel free to point out the unsubstantiated large number claims Johnny. How about, 'fluffy toy in background of photo, being conclusive evidence that an autistic kid is anti-Semitic.' I await. Waiting time concluded And yes. I like sources and independent figures not propaganda. "It was...I posted the link to its anti semitism connotations. I asked you if you could provide a link to a photo of her with the same toy in any other photonic her not several years of activism. You couldn't. Greta herself acknowledged its look and deleted the photo. I am sorry to say. It was you who couldn't defend your stance on the issue Johnny. Just like you admit now. You are quoting 15k without any ndependent verification or knowledge where the numbers come from. | |||
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It was...I posted the link to its anti semitism connotations. I asked you if you could provide a link to a photo of her with the same toy in any other photonic her not several years of activism. You couldn't. "Utterly conclusive! Lol " Greta herself acknowledged its look and deleted the photo. " Yes, so not anti-Semitic. " I am sorry to say. It was you who couldn't defend your stance on the issue Johnny. " This isn't how the world works, it's down to the person with the outlandish and bizarre claim to back it up. IE. The moon is made of uneaten mashed potato left in the BBC canteen. It's down to you to prove otherwise. " Just like you admit now. You are quoting 15k without any ndependent verification or knowledge where the numbers come from. " Maybe you could point out where I am quoting "15k", or indeed any number? | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. It doesn't seem outrageous to me to suggest that mass murdering civilians is not moral. Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. That you think people opposed to mass murdering civilians are "virtue signalling" tells us everything. Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. It's clearly a complex problem. But the baseline problem is that civilians are dying brutally in large numbers. You'd have thought that step one would be to stop killing civilians in large numbers, then sit round a table and start tackling the issues. Have you got independent verification of numbers of innocent Palestinians killed by Israel. 1. I don't have the exact numbers. 2. I haven't claimed to have the numbers. 3. Why would I have independent verification for something I haven't claimed to know? I think I might just ask this every day from now on. I look forward to more irrelevant questions. On a side note, do you display the same rigorous analysis to the things you post, you make a large number of bizarre unsubstantiated claims. Not just Al.jazeera made up numbers. But western organisations and UN confirmation please. I will wait. Feel free to wait. Feel free to point out the unsubstantiated large number claims Johnny. How about, 'fluffy toy in background of photo, being conclusive evidence that an autistic kid is anti-Semitic.' I await. Waiting time concluded And yes. I like sources and independent figures not propaganda.
It was...I posted the link to its anti semitism connotations. I asked you if you could provide a link to a photo of her with the same toy in any other photonic her not several years of activism. You couldn't.
Utterly conclusive! Lol
Greta herself acknowledged its look and deleted the photo.
Yes, so not anti-Semitic.
I am sorry to say. It was you who couldn't defend your stance on the issue Johnny.
This isn't how the world works, it's down to the person with the outlandish and bizarre claim to back it up.
IE. The moon is made of uneaten mashed potato left in the BBC canteen. It's down to you to prove otherwise.
Just like you admit now. You are quoting 15k without any ndependent verification or knowledge where the numbers come from.
Maybe you could point out where I am quoting "15k", or indeed any number?"Not going to hi jack another thread You have accused me of bot backing things up on this one. I have. I will do my best to verify everything I claim.. She never posted a photo of the toy before. It's an anti semitic symbol. Your refusal to acknowledge it doesn't change tbe fsct it was purposefully put there in a photo and had never been in any of her photos before the gaza debacle. I'll keep asking you where your numbers come from though. I just like highlighting that, you use made up numbers though. Incase any one on these threads doesn't know your antics. | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. It doesn't seem outrageous to me to suggest that mass murdering civilians is not moral. Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. That you think people opposed to mass murdering civilians are "virtue signalling" tells us everything. Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. It's clearly a complex problem. But the baseline problem is that civilians are dying brutally in large numbers. You'd have thought that step one would be to stop killing civilians in large numbers, then sit round a table and start tackling the issues. Have you got independent verification of numbers of innocent Palestinians killed by Israel. 1. I don't have the exact numbers. 2. I haven't claimed to have the numbers. 3. Why would I have independent verification for something I haven't claimed to know? I think I might just ask this every day from now on. I look forward to more irrelevant questions. On a side note, do you display the same rigorous analysis to the things you post, you make a large number of bizarre unsubstantiated claims. Not just Al.jazeera made up numbers. But western organisations and UN confirmation please. I will wait. Feel free to wait. Feel free to point out the unsubstantiated large number claims Johnny. How about, 'fluffy toy in background of photo, being conclusive evidence that an autistic kid is anti-Semitic.' I await. Waiting time concluded And yes. I like sources and independent figures not propaganda.
It was...I posted the link to its anti semitism connotations. I asked you if you could provide a link to a photo of her with the same toy in any other photonic her not several years of activism. You couldn't.
Utterly conclusive! Lol
Greta herself acknowledged its look and deleted the photo.
Yes, so not anti-Semitic.
I am sorry to say. It was you who couldn't defend your stance on the issue Johnny.
This isn't how the world works, it's down to the person with the outlandish and bizarre claim to back it up.
IE. The moon is made of uneaten mashed potato left in the BBC canteen. It's down to you to prove otherwise.
Just like you admit now. You are quoting 15k without any ndependent verification or knowledge where the numbers come from.
Maybe you could point out where I am quoting "15k", or indeed any number?
Not going to hi jack another thread
You have accused me of bot backing things up on this one. I have. I will do my best to verify everything I claim..
She never posted a photo of the toy before. It's an anti semitic symbol. Your refusal to acknowledge it doesn't change tbe fsct it was purposefully put there in a photo and had never been in any of her photos before the gaza debacle."This tells us everything we need to known. " I'll keep asking you where your numbers come from though. " What numbers? " I just like highlighting that, you use made up numbers though. Incase any one on these threads doesn't know your antics." Again, what numbers? | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. It doesn't seem outrageous to me to suggest that mass murdering civilians is not moral. Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. That you think people opposed to mass murdering civilians are "virtue signalling" tells us everything. Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. It's clearly a complex problem. But the baseline problem is that civilians are dying brutally in large numbers. You'd have thought that step one would be to stop killing civilians in large numbers, then sit round a table and start tackling the issues. Have you got independent verification of numbers of innocent Palestinians killed by Israel. 1. I don't have the exact numbers. 2. I haven't claimed to have the numbers. 3. Why would I have independent verification for something I haven't claimed to know? I think I might just ask this every day from now on. I look forward to more irrelevant questions. On a side note, do you display the same rigorous analysis to the things you post, you make a large number of bizarre unsubstantiated claims. Not just Al.jazeera made up numbers. But western organisations and UN confirmation please. I will wait. Feel free to wait. Feel free to point out the unsubstantiated large number claims Johnny. How about, 'fluffy toy in background of photo, being conclusive evidence that an autistic kid is anti-Semitic.' I await. Waiting time concluded And yes. I like sources and independent figures not propaganda.
It was...I posted the link to its anti semitism connotations. I asked you if you could provide a link to a photo of her with the same toy in any other photonic her not several years of activism. You couldn't.
Utterly conclusive! Lol
Greta herself acknowledged its look and deleted the photo.
Yes, so not anti-Semitic.
I am sorry to say. It was you who couldn't defend your stance on the issue Johnny.
This isn't how the world works, it's down to the person with the outlandish and bizarre claim to back it up.
IE. The moon is made of uneaten mashed potato left in the BBC canteen. It's down to you to prove otherwise.
Just like you admit now. You are quoting 15k without any ndependent verification or knowledge where the numbers come from.
Maybe you could point out where I am quoting "15k", or indeed any number?
Not going to hi jack another thread
You have accused me of bot backing things up on this one. I have. I will do my best to verify everything I claim..
She never posted a photo of the toy before. It's an anti semitic symbol. Your refusal to acknowledge it doesn't change tbe fsct it was purposefully put there in a photo and had never been in any of her photos before the gaza debacle.
This tells us everything we need to known.
I'll keep asking you where your numbers come from though.
What numbers?
I just like highlighting that, you use made up numbers though. Incase any one on these threads doesn't know your antics.
Again, what numbers?"Do you forget what you type? It's clearly a complex problem. But the baseline problem is that civilians are dying brutally in large numbers. You'd have thought that step one would be to stop killing civilians in large numbers, then sit round a table and start tackling the issues. " Civilians are dying in large numbers. (I dont know these numbers, I don't have a verifiable independent source.e..but let me assure you. They are indeed large and significant, and if questioned, I'll deny I said they are dying in large numbers.) Nice hot air discussion as usual with you " | |||
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"One thing is for sure. Its disgraceful that innocent civilians on either side are being killed. Israel will stop at nothing to wipe out hamas. If that means killing innocent civilians then that is what they will do. Man's inhumanity to man. The world is totally screwed up. " This seems against what's happening as Israel tends tk tell civilians which areas to leave they'll be invading and carrying out strikes. I dot believe hamas admitted killing people in Palestine it felt betrayed them? | |||
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" Aren't all our opinions on here useless? Is Netanyahu on here looking for ideas? I am not the one here giving opinions about whether Israel is on the morally right or wrong side. It doesn't seem outrageous to me to suggest that mass murdering civilians is not moral. Indeed, that includes people who think your suggestion that mass murdering civilians is the only option. People who say that it's not the only option should tell us what the other options are. Instead they are just beating around the bush. So it looks like they just want to virtue signal and feel that they are morally cool people and don't care about any solutions. That you think people opposed to mass murdering civilians are "virtue signalling" tells us everything. Should there be a condition that Israel should never attack Palestine? Can you guarantee that? I can't guarantee that either ,which is what I have been saying. You have two groups of people wanting each other's destruction. If you just go and block one group, the other group will kill them and you will be partially responsible for that. There isn't a clear solution to it. It's clearly a complex problem. But the baseline problem is that civilians are dying brutally in large numbers. You'd have thought that step one would be to stop killing civilians in large numbers, then sit round a table and start tackling the issues. Have you got independent verification of numbers of innocent Palestinians killed by Israel. 1. I don't have the exact numbers. 2. I haven't claimed to have the numbers. 3. Why would I have independent verification for something I haven't claimed to know? I think I might just ask this every day from now on. I look forward to more irrelevant questions. On a side note, do you display the same rigorous analysis to the things you post, you make a large number of bizarre unsubstantiated claims. Not just Al.jazeera made up numbers. But western organisations and UN confirmation please. I will wait. Feel free to wait. Feel free to point out the unsubstantiated large number claims Johnny. How about, 'fluffy toy in background of photo, being conclusive evidence that an autistic kid is anti-Semitic.' I await. Waiting time concluded And yes. I like sources and independent figures not propaganda.
It was...I posted the link to its anti semitism connotations. I asked you if you could provide a link to a photo of her with the same toy in any other photonic her not several years of activism. You couldn't.
Utterly conclusive! Lol
Greta herself acknowledged its look and deleted the photo.
Yes, so not anti-Semitic.
I am sorry to say. It was you who couldn't defend your stance on the issue Johnny.
This isn't how the world works, it's down to the person with the outlandish and bizarre claim to back it up.
IE. The moon is made of uneaten mashed potato left in the BBC canteen. It's down to you to prove otherwise.
Just like you admit now. You are quoting 15k without any ndependent verification or knowledge where the numbers come from.
Maybe you could point out where I am quoting "15k", or indeed any number?
Not going to hi jack another thread
You have accused me of bot backing things up on this one. I have. I will do my best to verify everything I claim..
She never posted a photo of the toy before. It's an anti semitic symbol. Your refusal to acknowledge it doesn't change tbe fsct it was purposefully put there in a photo and had never been in any of her photos before the gaza debacle.
This tells us everything we need to known.
I'll keep asking you where your numbers come from though.
What numbers?
I just like highlighting that, you use made up numbers though. Incase any one on these threads doesn't know your antics.
Again, what numbers?
Do you forget what you type?
It's clearly a complex problem. But the baseline problem is that civilians are dying brutally in large numbers. You'd have thought that step one would be to stop killing civilians in large numbers, then sit round a table and start tackling the issues. "
Civilians are dying in large numbers.
(I dont know these numbers, I don't have a verifiable independent source.e..but let me assure you. They are indeed large and significant, and if questioned, I'll deny I said they are dying in large numbers.)
Nice hot air discussion as usual with you
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" Isreal is bringing shame on itself by being just like hamas!! You lack imagination. What would the Middle East like like if Hamas were in Israel's position? Israel is in no way "just like Hamas"? It IS just like hamas in attitude. Isreal is. Sovereign state and should follow UN guidelines on .war You conveniently overlook constant criticism by the UN. I suppose the UN are wrong too are they? Attack hamas yes but not like they way isreal is doing it. You are comfortable with thousands of innocent people dying then i take it At this point, UN is just a glorified virtue signalling machine. It's easy to stay far away in air conditioned buildings and give moral opinions on good and bad. Israel is surrounded by people who will obliterate them if given an opportunity. Put yourself in their place and think. If Hamas attacks, goes back and hides behind human shields and Israel stops striking back because they can't handle the civilians dying, do you know what Hamas would think? They would just consider Israel weak minded and plan further attacks believing that they could just go back and hide the same way. Making attacks like this and hiding behind civilians is a common terrorist tactics. They do this because they know organisations like the UN will push these countries not to attack. From an Israeli perspective, not doing anything about it means they are basically showing a green flag for more attacks. " Isreal could employ much better strategies to deal with hamas. Oppressing people has gone on for thousands of years and it has NEVER worked. Isreal has spend the last 70 years trying to oppress the palisitines into submission.. and guess what?! It's not working!! What a suprise eh!? Isreal are the architects of this mess. They should employ much better tactics yet they don't because of their callous attitude! The only road they can go down is to invade the entire area of Gaza and interrogate and investigate everyone. It should be easy! They have the latest state of the art weaponry to oppress children and adults armed with stones and the hamas, estimated 500 strong. 10,000 dead and more to come is not the way a sovereign state shoild behave. Even the trigger happy Americans are questioning the body count.. | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason...." Hammas launching an attacking in Israel. Killing thousands of civilians and burning children alive maybe? Maybe that could have been the reason? | |||
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" Hammas launching an attacking in Israel. Killing thousands of civilians and burning children alive maybe? Maybe that could have been the reason?" The first casualty us the truth ..plus isreal have a track record of this unfortunately | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... Hammas launching an attacking in Israel. Killing thousands of civilians and burning children alive maybe? Maybe that could have been the reason?" 100%! Nailed it. That's definitely why countries with large arms industries have been egging on Israel, while the rest of the world that isn't making serious $$$, was calling for restraint. | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... Hammas launching an attacking in Israel. Killing thousands of civilians and burning children alive maybe? Maybe that could have been the reason? 100%! Nailed it. That's definitely why countries with large arms industries have been egging on Israel, while the rest of the world that isn't making serious $$$, was calling for restraint. " Yep .. Cuban cigars and champagne all round.. | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... Hammas launching an attacking in Israel. Killing thousands of civilians and burning children alive maybe? Maybe that could have been the reason? 100%! Nailed it. That's definitely why countries with large arms industries have been egging on Israel, while the rest of the world that isn't making serious $$$, was calling for restraint. " Yup that is it. Got to keep the Scranton ammunition factory running 3 shifts. Did I mention it's Bidens hometown? Must be part of his economic policy. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67347201" Maybe Hamas' should surrender.Its the right thing to do to avoid anymore bloodshed. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67347201 Maybe Hamas' should surrender.Its the right thing to do to avoid anymore bloodshed." Gotta protect that petrodollar. | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... Hammas launching an attacking in Israel. Killing thousands of civilians and burning children alive maybe? Maybe that could have been the reason? 100%! Nailed it. That's definitely why countries with large arms industries have been egging on Israel, while the rest of the world that isn't making serious $$$, was calling for restraint. " Great observations. Do you know when the weapons manufacturers started the conversations with Hamas? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67347201 Maybe Hamas' should surrender.Its the right thing to do to avoid anymore bloodshed. Gotta protect that petrodollar." Is it Hamas or the IDF protecting the petrodollar? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67347201 Maybe Hamas' should surrender.Its the right thing to do to avoid anymore bloodshed. Gotta protect that petrodollar." You are just a Hamas sympathizer. You can't admit that to stop the bloodshed all Hamas has to do is surrender. It's that simple. So you posting how many Palestinians are dying just plays into your narrative. Hamas' is using the Palestinians as human shields and you are ok with that. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67347201 Maybe Hamas' should surrender.Its the right thing to do to avoid anymore bloodshed. Gotta protect that petrodollar. Is it Hamas or the IDF protecting the petrodollar? " Neither, its called the petrodollar. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67347201 Maybe Hamas' should surrender.Its the right thing to do to avoid anymore bloodshed. Gotta protect that petrodollar. You are just a Hamas sympathizer. You can't admit that to stop the bloodshed all Hamas has to do is surrender. It's that simple. So you posting how many Palestinians are dying just plays into your narrative. Hamas' is using the Palestinians as human shields and you are ok with that." Gotta protect that petrodollar, it is all that matters to the good old USA. | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... Hammas launching an attacking in Israel. Killing thousands of civilians and burning children alive maybe? Maybe that could have been the reason? 100%! Nailed it. That's definitely why countries with large arms industries have been egging on Israel, while the rest of the world that isn't making serious $$$, was calling for restraint. Great observations. Do you know when the weapons manufacturers started the conversations with Hamas?" Do you know when Rhubarb was introduced to the UK? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67347201 Maybe Hamas' should surrender.Its the right thing to do to avoid anymore bloodshed. Gotta protect that petrodollar. You are just a Hamas sympathizer. You can't admit that to stop the bloodshed all Hamas has to do is surrender. It's that simple. So you posting how many Palestinians are dying just plays into your narrative. Hamas' is using the Palestinians as human shields and you are ok with that. Gotta protect that petrodollar, it is all that matters to the good old USA." Don't worry BRICS is working on that issue you cry about constantly.It will be a better alternative for you. | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... Hammas launching an attacking in Israel. Killing thousands of civilians and burning children alive maybe? Maybe that could have been the reason? 100%! Nailed it. That's definitely why countries with large arms industries have been egging on Israel, while the rest of the world that isn't making serious $$$, was calling for restraint. Great observations. Do you know when the weapons manufacturers started the conversations with Hamas? Do you know when Rhubarb was introduced to the UK?" Another interesting question, pushing the thinking today. Can we stick to my first question, I'm sure you can bring rhubarb into the conversation later. So, when did weapons manufacturers first have conversations with Hamas? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67347201 Maybe Hamas' should surrender.Its the right thing to do to avoid anymore bloodshed. Gotta protect that petrodollar. Is it Hamas or the IDF protecting the petrodollar? Neither, its called the petrodollar." What is with the phrase then? Who is doing what to protect the petrodollar? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67347201 Maybe Hamas' should surrender.Its the right thing to do to avoid anymore bloodshed. Gotta protect that petrodollar. Is it Hamas or the IDF protecting the petrodollar? Neither, its called the petrodollar. What is with the phrase then? Who is doing what to protect the petrodollar? " Yeh I am not here to educate you just look it up you're on a device that can provide all the info you wish to learn. | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... Hammas launching an attacking in Israel. Killing thousands of civilians and burning children alive maybe? Maybe that could have been the reason? 100%! Nailed it. That's definitely why countries with large arms industries have been egging on Israel, while the rest of the world that isn't making serious $$$, was calling for restraint. Great observations. Do you know when the weapons manufacturers started the conversations with Hamas? Do you know when Rhubarb was introduced to the UK? Another interesting question, pushing the thinking today. Can we stick to my first question, I'm sure you can bring rhubarb into the conversation later. So, when did weapons manufacturers first have conversations with Hamas? " I thought we were just asking eachother irrelevant non-related questions for no reason. I was following your lead. Anyway, if you can explain how your question is related to the point I made about, I'll answer it. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67347201 Maybe Hamas' should surrender.Its the right thing to do to avoid anymore bloodshed. Gotta protect that petrodollar. You are just a Hamas sympathizer. You can't admit that to stop the bloodshed all Hamas has to do is surrender. It's that simple. So you posting how many Palestinians are dying just plays into your narrative. Hamas' is using the Palestinians as human shields and you are ok with that. Gotta protect that petrodollar, it is all that matters to the good old USA. Don't worry BRICS is working on that issue you cry about constantly.It will be a better alternative for you." I suppose when Argentina eventually join it would be. Till then ill stick with the US petrodollar, something has to value your economy. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67347201 Maybe Hamas' should surrender.Its the right thing to do to avoid anymore bloodshed. Gotta protect that petrodollar. Is it Hamas or the IDF protecting the petrodollar? Neither, its called the petrodollar. What is with the phrase then? Who is doing what to protect the petrodollar? Yeh I am not here to educate you just look it up you're on a device that can provide all the info you wish to learn." Perfect response really, if you look at the thread, letter to tiktok, the ending of that letter pretty much mirrors your response here. I have noticed there are no comments or interactions in that thread from posters who normally have strong progressive views, which is extremely interesting. | |||
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"This place is fucking mental. Ask a question and the generic response now is 'I'm not here to...' How the fuck can there be discourse if one side of any debate won't actually engage?" One side of the debate doesn't want any discourse. They just want to say their own thing without anybody questioning it. If they were to think about their position, they might just realise how glib and insubstantial it is, and they don't want that. | |||
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"This place is fucking mental. Ask a question and the generic response now is 'I'm not here to...' How the fuck can there be discourse if one side of any debate won't actually engage?" It's sad, isn't it. They make vague generic statements. When you try to get a better explanation from them, they repeat the same statements again or run away from the questions. Even the Russian bots debate better. | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... Hammas launching an attacking in Israel. Killing thousands of civilians and burning children alive maybe? Maybe that could have been the reason? 100%! Nailed it. That's definitely why countries with large arms industries have been egging on Israel, while the rest of the world that isn't making serious $$$, was calling for restraint. Great observations. Do you know when the weapons manufacturers started the conversations with Hamas? Do you know when Rhubarb was introduced to the UK? Another interesting question, pushing the thinking today. Can we stick to my first question, I'm sure you can bring rhubarb into the conversation later. So, when did weapons manufacturers first have conversations with Hamas? I thought we were just asking eachother irrelevant non-related questions for no reason. I was following your lead. Anyway, if you can explain how your question is related to the point I made about, I'll answer it." You claimed there was egging on in the name of $$$$ for weapons? Seeing how Hamas began the war with their actions, I'm guessing the egging on you are saying happened / happens must have been through them, as the instigator. Make sense now? | |||
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" As of 02 November, an estimated 25,000 tonnes of bombs have fallen on Gaza, 13K killed 27k injured Israel has snuffed at a ratio of 10:1 Hamas killings Case in point: 13,000 killed from 25,000,000 of bombs. That's ~2000kg per person. A monumental waste of resources if you're goal is genocide. One might almost think that they're not trying very hard... A monumental amount of money made by arms manufacturers. I'm sure that's not why the UK and the US have been egging on the Israeli offensive though. Probably some other reason.... Hammas launching an attacking in Israel. Killing thousands of civilians and burning children alive maybe? Maybe that could have been the reason? 100%! Nailed it. That's definitely why countries with large arms industries have been egging on Israel, while the rest of the world that isn't making serious $$$, was calling for restraint. Great observations. Do you know when the weapons manufacturers started the conversations with Hamas? Do you know when Rhubarb was introduced to the UK? Another interesting question, pushing the thinking today. Can we stick to my first question, I'm sure you can bring rhubarb into the conversation later. So, when did weapons manufacturers first have conversations with Hamas? I thought we were just asking eachother irrelevant non-related questions for no reason. I was following your lead. Anyway, if you can explain how your question is related to the point I made about, I'll answer it. You claimed there was egging on in the name of $$$$ for weapons? Seeing how Hamas began the war with their actions, I'm guessing the egging on you are saying happened / happens must have been through them, as the instigator. Make sense now? " No, I'm saying the other chap convinced me that it's a coincidence that the countries with large arms industries (making all the $$$) are the same countries that voted against the UN resolutions for ceasefires. Completely unrelated. Not sure why you're questioning me and not the other chap. | |||
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