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"The attack in Dublin today appears to have been carried out by an Algerian immigrant, though this information doesn’t appear to have come from the police. In the absence of the internet, mobile phones etc, it’s probably unlikely that the wider populace would ever be told of the identity of the attacker, until this became evident at a trial, assuming reporting was permitted, and probably only then if people could work it out from a name. Is this kind of state secrecy or rapidly available information due to technology a good or bad thing? If the truth is withheld, how can the public make rational risk assessments as to what the dangers are around them? Does publication make a fair trial more difficult for the alleged offender?" Are you saying that the Irish public wouldn't be told the identity or nationality of a perpetrator until the case came to trial and they would only find out about online? | |||
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"Have to wait “99.1% of Algerians identified as Muslim” Possibly to be expected due to current events, the prophet is not happy. " The priority here has to be identifying if the individual is a Muslim or not. If so they can use the word "terror", if not it's "mentally unstable". Nothing else about this tragedy really matters. | |||
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"Have to wait “99.1% of Algerians identified as Muslim” Possibly to be expected due to current events, the prophet is not happy. The priority here has to be identifying if the individual is a Muslim or not. If so they can use the word "terror", if not it's "mentally unstable". Nothing else about this tragedy really matters." It's already been reported as not terror related. | |||
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"The attack in Dublin today appears to have been carried out by an Algerian immigrant, though this information doesn’t appear to have come from the police. In the absence of the internet, mobile phones etc, it’s probably unlikely that the wider populace would ever be told of the identity of the attacker, until this became evident at a trial, assuming reporting was permitted, and probably only then if people could work it out from a name. Is this kind of state secrecy or rapidly available information due to technology a good or bad thing? If the truth is withheld, how can the public make rational risk assessments as to what the dangers are around them? Does publication make a fair trial more difficult for the alleged offender?" have there been other cases where names have been withheld so much? Doesn't feel feel unusual to not go public too soon in case that affects the investigation. Has SM named the person or is it just nationality ? As that seems like ppl must "know" who it is... I'm s | |||
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"Have to wait “99.1% of Algerians identified as Muslim” Possibly to be expected due to current events, the prophet is not happy. The priority here has to be identifying if the individual is a Muslim or not. If so they can use the word "terror", if not it's "mentally unstable". Nothing else about this tragedy really matters. It's already been reported as not terror related." 
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"Have to wait “99.1% of Algerians identified as Muslim” Possibly to be expected due to current events, the prophet is not happy. The priority here has to be identifying if the individual is a Muslim or not. If so they can use the word "terror", if not it's "mentally unstable". Nothing else about this tragedy really matters." Everything about the tragedy matters, including if it's a terror attack or if it's driven by religion. When was a terrorist ever called mentally unstable? | |||
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"Have to wait “99.1% of Algerians identified as Muslim” Possibly to be expected due to current events, the prophet is not happy. The priority here has to be identifying if the individual is a Muslim or not. If so they can use the word "terror", if not it's "mentally unstable". Nothing else about this tragedy really matters. Everything about the tragedy matters, " Really, usually just if it's a Muslim or not. " including if it's a terror attack or if it's driven by religion. When was a terrorist ever called mentally unstable?" When they're not a Muslim. | |||
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"Have to wait “99.1% of Algerians identified as Muslim” Possibly to be expected due to current events, the prophet is not happy. The priority here has to be identifying if the individual is a Muslim or not. If so they can use the word "terror", if not it's "mentally unstable". Nothing else about this tragedy really matters. Everything about the tragedy matters, Really, usually just if it's a Muslim or not. including if it's a terror attack or if it's driven by religion. When was a terrorist ever called mentally unstable? When they're not a Muslim. " Muslims are definitely never terrorists, particularly if they are killing Jews right? | |||
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"Have to wait “99.1% of Algerians identified as Muslim” Possibly to be expected due to current events, the prophet is not happy. The priority here has to be identifying if the individual is a Muslim or not. If so they can use the word "terror", if not it's "mentally unstable". Nothing else about this tragedy really matters. Everything about the tragedy matters, Really, usually just if it's a Muslim or not. including if it's a terror attack or if it's driven by religion. When was a terrorist ever called mentally unstable? When they're not a Muslim. Muslims are definitely never terrorists, particularly if they are killing Jews right?" No idea where you got that from. Sounds like nonsense. | |||
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"Have to wait “99.1% of Algerians identified as Muslim” Possibly to be expected due to current events, the prophet is not happy. The priority here has to be identifying if the individual is a Muslim or not. If so they can use the word "terror", if not it's "mentally unstable". Nothing else about this tragedy really matters. Everything about the tragedy matters, Really, usually just if it's a Muslim or not. including if it's a terror attack or if it's driven by religion. When was a terrorist ever called mentally unstable? When they're not a Muslim. Muslims are definitely never terrorists, particularly if they are killing Jews right? No idea where you got that from. Sounds like nonsense." Is there such a thing as a Muslim terrorist? | |||
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"Have to wait “99.1% of Algerians identified as Muslim” Possibly to be expected due to current events, the prophet is not happy. The priority here has to be identifying if the individual is a Muslim or not. If so they can use the word "terror", if not it's "mentally unstable". Nothing else about this tragedy really matters. Everything about the tragedy matters, Really, usually just if it's a Muslim or not. including if it's a terror attack or if it's driven by religion. When was a terrorist ever called mentally unstable? When they're not a Muslim. Muslims are definitely never terrorists, particularly if they are killing Jews right? No idea where you got that from. Sounds like nonsense. Is there such a thing as a Muslim terrorist? " Yes. | |||
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" Really, usually just if it's a Muslim or not. " No, this is a baseless allegation " When they're not a Muslim. " Show me an example of when a non-Muslim terror attack was branded an issue of being mentally unstable | |||
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" Really, usually just if it's a Muslim or not. No, this is a baseless allegation When they're not a Muslim. Show me an example of when a non-Muslim terror attack was branded an issue of being mentally unstable " Stephen Paddock | |||
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" Really, usually just if it's a Muslim or not. No, this is a baseless allegation When they're not a Muslim. Show me an example of when a non-Muslim terror attack was branded an issue of being mentally unstable Stephen Paddock" What makes you think it was a terror attack? From what I know, no one has established motive | |||
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" Really, usually just if it's a Muslim or not. No, this is a baseless allegation When they're not a Muslim. Show me an example of when a non-Muslim terror attack was branded an issue of being mentally unstable Stephen Paddock" That didn't stop ISIS trying to take the credit, calling him Abu Abdul Barr al-Amriki. Definition of a terrorist: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. He didn't have political aims, did he? Abominable violence, in and of itself, does not make for terrorism. It's just mass murder. Not terrorism. | |||
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" Really, usually just if it's a Muslim or not. No, this is a baseless allegation When they're not a Muslim. Show me an example of when a non-Muslim terror attack was branded an issue of being mentally unstable Stephen Paddock What makes you think it was a terror attack? From what I know, no one has established motive" Okay so this is the point we're getting to. In the media it's "terror" if it's a Muslim. Nothing to do with how much terror is spread. | |||
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" Really, usually just if it's a Muslim or not. No, this is a baseless allegation When they're not a Muslim. Show me an example of when a non-Muslim terror attack was branded an issue of being mentally unstable Stephen Paddock That didn't stop ISIS trying to take the credit, calling him Abu Abdul Barr al-Amriki. Definition of a terrorist: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. He didn't have political aims, did he? Abominable violence, in and of itself, does not make for terrorism. It's just mass murder. Not terrorism." Unless of course the person is a Muslim then their automatically a terrorist. Is the point. | |||
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"Kicking off tonight in Dublin. Simmering resentment over immigration is on display. I suspect Ireland might be next in the turning to the right. " Well the most likely party to lead the country in the next election are on the left | |||
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"Kicking off tonight in Dublin. Simmering resentment over immigration is on display. I suspect Ireland might be next in the turning to the right. " Torching buses, a tram and a police car plus looting fashion shops looks more to be about wanton thuggery than a political statement.. | |||
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"Kicking off tonight in Dublin. Simmering resentment over immigration is on display. I suspect Ireland might be next in the turning to the right. " The anti immigrant brigade in Ireland are a small minority of knuckleheads. There's a much larger portion of the population switched on and who stand up against bigotry and xenophobia. | |||
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" Unless of course the person is a Muslim then their automatically a terrorist. Is the point. " Fair point. Although it usually gets corrected in the end (once the news cycles are finished with it and nobody cares). | |||
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" Unless of course the person is a Muslim then their automatically a terrorist. Is the point. Fair point. Although it usually gets corrected in the end (once the news cycles are finished with it and nobody cares)." Also true. And it's less ubiquitous now. Which I think is what irks the right wingers. | |||
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"Kicking off tonight in Dublin. Simmering resentment over immigration is on display. I suspect Ireland might be next in the turning to the right. The anti immigrant brigade in Ireland are a small minority of knuckleheads. There's a much larger portion of the population switched on and who stand up against bigotry and xenophobia." Can people be concerned with immigration without the labels you use? | |||
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"Kicking off tonight in Dublin. Simmering resentment over immigration is on display. I suspect Ireland might be next in the turning to the right. The anti immigrant brigade in Ireland are a small minority of knuckleheads. There's a much larger portion of the population switched on and who stand up against bigotry and xenophobia. Can people be concerned with immigration without the labels you use? " ************************************* That doesn't exist in this fellow's world, it's an obsession, unfortunately. | |||
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"Kicking off tonight in Dublin. Simmering resentment over immigration is on display. I suspect Ireland might be next in the turning to the right. The anti immigrant brigade in Ireland are a small minority of knuckleheads. There's a much larger portion of the population switched on and who stand up against bigotry and xenophobia. Can people be concerned with immigration without the labels you use? " Of course, but you used "Kicking off tonight in Dublin. Simmering resentment over immigration is on display". This doesn't sound like "concerned with immigration". | |||
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"Kicking off tonight in Dublin. Simmering resentment over immigration is on display. I suspect Ireland might be next in the turning to the right. The anti immigrant brigade in Ireland are a small minority of knuckleheads. There's a much larger portion of the population switched on and who stand up against bigotry and xenophobia. Can people be concerned with immigration without the labels you use? Of course, but you used "Kicking off tonight in Dublin. Simmering resentment over immigration is on display". This doesn't sound like "concerned with immigration"." I think it does. Perhaps to avoid scenes like this people actually need to have their concerns heard without being branded far right and racist at the drop of the hat. Otherwise you get situations like the Netherlands,Scandinavia and soon the rest of Europe. | |||
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"Kicking off tonight in Dublin. Simmering resentment over immigration is on display. I suspect Ireland might be next in the turning to the right. " Great to see those fine patriots in action with such noble acts as burning trams, buses and looting shops. A medal and freedom of the city to every one of those involved surely! | |||
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"Kicking off tonight in Dublin. Simmering resentment over immigration is on display. I suspect Ireland might be next in the turning to the right. Great to see those fine patriots in action with such noble acts as burning trams, buses and looting shops. A medal and freedom of the city to every one of those involved surely!" Yup it’s shit when people do that. | |||
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"Kicking off tonight in Dublin. Simmering resentment over immigration is on display. I suspect Ireland might be next in the turning to the right. The anti immigrant brigade in Ireland are a small minority of knuckleheads. There's a much larger portion of the population switched on and who stand up against bigotry and xenophobia. Can people be concerned with immigration without the labels you use? Of course, but you used "Kicking off tonight in Dublin. Simmering resentment over immigration is on display". This doesn't sound like "concerned with immigration". I think it does. Perhaps to avoid scenes like this people actually need to have their concerns heard without being branded far right and racist at the drop of the hat. Otherwise you get situations like the Netherlands,Scandinavia and soon the rest of Europe. " This is incorrect. Anyone who isn’t in favour of totally open borders is Far Right and Xenophobic. People who favour open borders are “rational centrists” and “ the adults in the room”. So onwards we go towards chaos. | |||
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" Really, usually just if it's a Muslim or not. No, this is a baseless allegation When they're not a Muslim. Show me an example of when a non-Muslim terror attack was branded an issue of being mentally unstable Stephen Paddock What makes you think it was a terror attack? From what I know, no one has established motive Okay so this is the point we're getting to. In the media it's "terror" if it's a Muslim. Nothing to do with how much terror is spread. " In that case, can you show an example of something that's not a terror attack by a Muslim, but the media called it a terror attack? | |||
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"Reports that the 'far right' have set fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing migrants. " Not much media coverage of this here, nor of five people knifed. Does seem to be media suppression. | |||
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"Reports that the 'far right' have set fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing migrants. Not much media coverage of this here, nor of five people knifed. Does seem to be media suppression. " The media are concentrating on the 'lunatic, hooligan faction driven by far-right ideology' Can't say I'm surprised. | |||
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"Reports that the 'far right' have set fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing migrants. Not much media coverage of this here, nor of five people knifed. Does seem to be media suppression. The media are concentrating on the 'lunatic, hooligan faction driven by far-right ideology' Can't say I'm surprised. " are you surprised ? Rioting is a bigger news story than stabbings. Especially when there will be little immediate news. | |||
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"Reports that the 'far right' have set fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing migrants. Not much media coverage of this here, nor of five people knifed. Does seem to be media suppression. The media are concentrating on the 'lunatic, hooligan faction driven by far-right ideology' Can't say I'm surprised. are you surprised ? Rioting is a bigger news story than stabbings. Especially when there will be little immediate news. " I'm defintely not surprised at the language used. | |||
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"Reports that the 'far right' have set fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing migrants. Not much media coverage of this here, nor of five people knifed. Does seem to be media suppression. The media are concentrating on the 'lunatic, hooligan faction driven by far-right ideology' Can't say I'm surprised. are you surprised ? Rioting is a bigger news story than stabbings. Especially when there will be little immediate news. I'm defintely not surprised at the language used. " I'd rather they didn't use far right unless there is evidence. I'd stand behind lunatic hooligans given they are rioting. We do seem to have landed that violence is synonymous with far right and I'm not sure that is correct. This somewhat depends on definitions... Do you become further left/right because you are willing to turn to routing and violence to support your views ? I struggle with the definition to start with. It feels more than just economics nowadays ... But who knows... | |||
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"Reports that the 'far right' have set fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing migrants. Not much media coverage of this here, nor of five people knifed. Does seem to be media suppression. The media are concentrating on the 'lunatic, hooligan faction driven by far-right ideology' Can't say I'm surprised. are you surprised ? Rioting is a bigger news story than stabbings. Especially when there will be little immediate news. I'm defintely not surprised at the language used. I'd rather they didn't use far right unless there is evidence. I'd stand behind lunatic hooligans given they are rioting. We do seem to have landed that violence is synonymous with far right and I'm not sure that is correct. This somewhat depends on definitions... Do you become further left/right because you are willing to turn to routing and violence to support your views ? I struggle with the definition to start with. It feels more than just economics nowadays ... But who knows... " Interesting point. The England riots some years back (2011) began as a social justice campaign, but turned into a free-for-all riot with looting, arson, etc. Most of those rioters weren't "far left" (although a proportion of the initial protesters were "left, social justice supporters", they were hooligans and thugs. It's probably fair to say that much of the initial group in Dublin was probably right-wing and they are mostly definitely anti-immigration, but what it's turning into is not necessarily limited to far-right violence (although it may be). | |||
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"Reports that the 'far right' have set fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing migrants. Not much media coverage of this here, nor of five people knifed. Does seem to be media suppression. The media are concentrating on the 'lunatic, hooligan faction driven by far-right ideology' Can't say I'm surprised. are you surprised ? Rioting is a bigger news story than stabbings. Especially when there will be little immediate news. I'm defintely not surprised at the language used. I'd rather they didn't use far right unless there is evidence. I'd stand behind lunatic hooligans given they are rioting. We do seem to have landed that violence is synonymous with far right and I'm not sure that is correct. This somewhat depends on definitions... Do you become further left/right because you are willing to turn to routing and violence to support your views ? I struggle with the definition to start with. It feels more than just economics nowadays ... But who knows... " I'm not even sure about 'lunatic', hooligans ill agree with. I'm sure you haven't seen the videos of 'natives' confronting people looting though. MSM push the agenda they want to (or are told to) and miraculously leave out the good people out there. | |||
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"BBC reporting that the knife attacker who has an Irish passport and lived there twenty years was stopped by a Brazilian immigrant who used his bike helmet to intervene.. None of what sadly happened to those attacked in any way justifies the riotous thieving scum who attacked police and burned vehicles.. " The identity of the attacker hasn't yet been verified I don't think. The Brazilian fella has though. | |||
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"Reports that the 'far right' have set fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing migrants. Not much media coverage of this here, nor of five people knifed. Does seem to be media suppression. The media are concentrating on the 'lunatic, hooligan faction driven by far-right ideology' Can't say I'm surprised. are you surprised ? Rioting is a bigger news story than stabbings. Especially when there will be little immediate news. I'm defintely not surprised at the language used. I'd rather they didn't use far right unless there is evidence. I'd stand behind lunatic hooligans given they are rioting. We do seem to have landed that violence is synonymous with far right and I'm not sure that is correct. This somewhat depends on definitions... Do you become further left/right because you are willing to turn to routing and violence to support your views ? I struggle with the definition to start with. It feels more than just economics nowadays ... But who knows... I'm not even sure about 'lunatic', hooligans ill agree with. I'm sure you haven't seen the videos of 'natives' confronting people looting though. MSM push the agenda they want to (or are told to) and miraculously leave out the good people out there. " Remember when a cop killed a guy in the US, people in the Europe started protesting for some reason and toppling statues? Apparently that's totally cool. But when people react violently for kids being murdered in their own country, it's far-right hooliganism. | |||
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"Reports that the 'far right' have set fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing migrants. Not much media coverage of this here, nor of five people knifed. Does seem to be media suppression. The media are concentrating on the 'lunatic, hooligan faction driven by far-right ideology' Can't say I'm surprised. are you surprised ? Rioting is a bigger news story than stabbings. Especially when there will be little immediate news. I'm defintely not surprised at the language used. I'd rather they didn't use far right unless there is evidence. I'd stand behind lunatic hooligans given they are rioting. We do seem to have landed that violence is synonymous with far right and I'm not sure that is correct. This somewhat depends on definitions... Do you become further left/right because you are willing to turn to routing and violence to support your views ? I struggle with the definition to start with. It feels more than just economics nowadays ... But who knows... I'm not even sure about 'lunatic', hooligans ill agree with. I'm sure you haven't seen the videos of 'natives' confronting people looting though. MSM push the agenda they want to (or are told to) and miraculously leave out the good people out there. Remember when a cop killed a guy in the US, people in the Europe started protesting for some reason and toppling statues? Apparently that's totally cool. But when people react violently for kids being murdered in their own country, it's far-right hooliganism. " Of course it's cool. Those people were oppressed and those statues represented slav*ry. Remember if certain people fight, they're freedom fighters. If others fight, they're far right hooligans. | |||
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"Reports that the 'far right' have set fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing migrants. Not much media coverage of this here, nor of five people knifed. Does seem to be media suppression. The media are concentrating on the 'lunatic, hooligan faction driven by far-right ideology' Can't say I'm surprised. are you surprised ? Rioting is a bigger news story than stabbings. Especially when there will be little immediate news. I'm defintely not surprised at the language used. I'd rather they didn't use far right unless there is evidence. I'd stand behind lunatic hooligans given they are rioting. We do seem to have landed that violence is synonymous with far right and I'm not sure that is correct. This somewhat depends on definitions... Do you become further left/right because you are willing to turn to routing and violence to support your views ? I struggle with the definition to start with. It feels more than just economics nowadays ... But who knows... I'm not even sure about 'lunatic', hooligans ill agree with. I'm sure you haven't seen the videos of 'natives' confronting people looting though. MSM push the agenda they want to (or are told to) and miraculously leave out the good people out there. Remember when a cop killed a guy in the US, people in the Europe started protesting for some reason and toppling statues? Apparently that's totally cool. But when people react violently for kids being murdered in their own country, it's far-right hooliganism. Of course it's cool. Those people were oppressed and those statues represented slav*ry. Remember if certain people fight, they're freedom fighters. If others fight, they're far right hooligans. " for the record, I disagreed with the statue toppling
While I support protests, I don't support the criminal damage and I certainly don't support violence. By left or right.
I certainly don't support groups who seem to have an intent to cause damage and start violence.
I don't disagree with most of the points. However I do note that depending on views, the vitriol for XR delaying a commute they non violent means sometimes feels higher than the rioting we've seen in the last few weeks.
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"Reports that the 'far right' have set fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing migrants. Not much media coverage of this here, nor of five people knifed. Does seem to be media suppression. The media are concentrating on the 'lunatic, hooligan faction driven by far-right ideology' Can't say I'm surprised. are you surprised ? Rioting is a bigger news story than stabbings. Especially when there will be little immediate news. I'm defintely not surprised at the language used. I'd rather they didn't use far right unless there is evidence. I'd stand behind lunatic hooligans given they are rioting. We do seem to have landed that violence is synonymous with far right and I'm not sure that is correct. This somewhat depends on definitions... Do you become further left/right because you are willing to turn to routing and violence to support your views ? I struggle with the definition to start with. It feels more than just economics nowadays ... But who knows... I'm not even sure about 'lunatic', hooligans ill agree with. I'm sure you haven't seen the videos of 'natives' confronting people looting though. MSM push the agenda they want to (or are told to) and miraculously leave out the good people out there. Remember when a cop killed a guy in the US, people in the Europe started protesting for some reason and toppling statues? Apparently that's totally cool. But when people react violently for kids being murdered in their own country, it's far-right hooliganism. Of course it's cool. Those people were oppressed and those statues represented slav*ry. Remember if certain people fight, they're freedom fighters. If others fight, they're far right hooligans. for the record, I disagreed with the statue toppling
While I support protests, I don't support the criminal damage and I certainly don't support violence. By left or right.
I certainly don't support groups who seem to have an intent to cause damage and start violence.
I don't disagree with most of the points. However I do note that depending on views, the vitriol for XR delaying a commute they non violent means sometimes feels higher than the rioting we've seen in the last few weeks.
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"Reports that the 'far right' have set fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing migrants. Not much media coverage of this here, nor of five people knifed. Does seem to be media suppression. The media are concentrating on the 'lunatic, hooligan faction driven by far-right ideology' Can't say I'm surprised. are you surprised ? Rioting is a bigger news story than stabbings. Especially when there will be little immediate news. I'm defintely not surprised at the language used. I'd rather they didn't use far right unless there is evidence. I'd stand behind lunatic hooligans given they are rioting. We do seem to have landed that violence is synonymous with far right and I'm not sure that is correct. This somewhat depends on definitions... Do you become further left/right because you are willing to turn to routing and violence to support your views ? I struggle with the definition to start with. It feels more than just economics nowadays ... But who knows... I'm not even sure about 'lunatic', hooligans ill agree with. I'm sure you haven't seen the videos of 'natives' confronting people looting though. MSM push the agenda they want to (or are told to) and miraculously leave out the good people out there. Remember when a cop killed a guy in the US, people in the Europe started protesting for some reason and toppling statues? Apparently that's totally cool. But when people react violently for kids being murdered in their own country, it's far-right hooliganism. Of course it's cool. Those people were oppressed and those statues represented slav*ry. Remember if certain people fight, they're freedom fighters. If others fight, they're far right hooligans. for the record, I disagreed with the statue toppling
While I support protests, I don't support the criminal damage and I certainly don't support violence. By left or right.
I certainly don't support groups who seem to have an intent to cause damage and start violence.
I don't disagree with most of the points. However I do note that depending on views, the vitriol for XR delaying a commute they non violent means sometimes feels higher than the rioting we've seen in the last few weeks.
"You're normally fairly level headed so can't say I'm surprised with your thoughts on it. The vitriol towards XR - I'd agree that on here maybe higher. The same can't be said for elsewhere. We have literally had people defending XR this week for smashing windows, those same people are sating they're disgusted with the far right for looting. | |||
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"News reporting that Dublin rioters could face jail terms of up to 12 years " Governments need to talk up the penalty for riot and looting as a deterrent. Not so long ago, penalties would include being summarily executed and hung up with a sign. If a small nucleus begins, it can destroy a whole country/area within days. | |||
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"News reporting that Dublin rioters could face jail terms of up to 12 years Governments need to talk up the penalty for riot and looting as a deterrent. Not so long ago, penalties would include being summarily executed and hung up with a sign. If a small nucleus begins, it can destroy a whole country/area within days." What about the governments protecting citizens from more Islamic terror attacks “A German source briefed by intelligence services said the threat to civilians was the highest in Germany’s recent history, with dangers coming from Islamist militants, far-right groups and Russia. Two Islamist militant attacks in France and Belgium last month killed three people, and these two countries plus Austria, Slovenia and Bosnia-Herzegovina have raised their terrorism threat alert levels. Italy has reimposed border controls with Slovenia, citing the risk of militants entering the country. “There is going to be a blowback that is going to be felt for years,” the British official told Reuters.“ | |||
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"News reporting that Dublin rioters could face jail terms of up to 12 years Governments need to talk up the penalty for riot and looting as a deterrent. Not so long ago, penalties would include being summarily executed and hung up with a sign. If a small nucleus begins, it can destroy a whole country/area within days. What about the governments protecting citizens from more Islamic terror attacks " Whereas the fear of Islamist attacks may well be very real, it has no bearing on how governments need to deal with potential civil unrest. In many cases, civil unrest is actually the goal of terrorism, because civil unrest/riots/rebellion/etc. is actually the one thing that can topple a government/society. Just look at how Russia (funding, Wagner and online) and Iran (through proxy militants/terrorists) are weaponising citizens against their own governments, society and self-interests. | |||
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"It's a sad truth that the Irish people have accomplished in an evening of rioting what the Brits have failed to achieve in a decade. Now their government MUST act on immigration or face public disorder. Meanwhile, for all the grumbling in the UK, nothing changes - in fact it gets worse." So someone who has been in Ireland for 20 years committed a heinous act… and the current immigrants get blamed! Gotcha!! In fact 2 of the people given most credit for stopping the attack was the Brazilian Deliveroo driver and the French student But so much for embracing the good ….. | |||
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"It's a sad truth that the Irish people have accomplished in an evening of rioting what the Brits have failed to achieve in a decade. Now their government MUST act on immigration or face public disorder. Meanwhile, for all the grumbling in the UK, nothing changes - in fact it gets worse." Fab political forums are a depressing place. Makes you lose faith in humanity sometimes. | |||
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"It's a sad truth that the Irish people have accomplished in an evening of rioting what the Brits have failed to achieve in a decade. Now their government MUST act on immigration or face public disorder. Meanwhile, for all the grumbling in the UK, nothing changes - in fact it gets worse. Fab political forums are a depressing place. Makes you lose faith in humanity sometimes. " Yes, indeed. | |||
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"News reporting that Dublin rioters could face jail terms of up to 12 years What about the unreported identity of the knifer that’s cut five people, that the rioters are protesting about. 'The rioters are protesting about'. A contradiction in terms. Rioters are thugs who need to be punished severely. Not acting in the name of the Irish people. The knife attacker will feel the full rigour of the law too once released from hospital. Prayers for the little girl who is seriously ill " | |||
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"It's a sad truth that the Irish people have accomplished in an evening of rioting what the Brits have failed to achieve in a decade. Now their government MUST act on immigration or face public disorder. Meanwhile, for all the grumbling in the UK, nothing changes - in fact it gets worse." These are a small group of thugs who do not represent the people. Opportunist thugs who offer and contribute nothing to society | |||
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"It's a sad truth that the Irish people have accomplished in an evening of rioting what the Brits have failed to achieve in a decade. Now their government MUST act on immigration or face public disorder. Meanwhile, for all the grumbling in the UK, nothing changes - in fact it gets worse. These are a small group of thugs who do not represent the people. Opportunist thugs who offer and contribute nothing to society" Really? I don't detect much enthusiasm for large scale immigration by the Irish people. Let's see if the 'thugs' actions are heeded. | |||
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"It's a sad truth that the Irish people have accomplished in an evening of rioting what the Brits have failed to achieve in a decade. Now their government MUST act on immigration or face public disorder. Meanwhile, for all the grumbling in the UK, nothing changes - in fact it gets worse. These are a small group of thugs who do not represent the people. Opportunist thugs who offer and contribute nothing to society" Perverse logic. Focused on 300 year old events instead of addressing the issues in front of you today, | |||
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"Have to wait “99.1% of Algerians identified as Muslim” Possibly to be expected due to current events, the prophet is not happy. The priority here has to be identifying if the individual is a Muslim or not. If so they can use the word "terror", if not it's "mentally unstable". Nothing else about this tragedy really matters. Everything about the tragedy matters, Really, usually just if it's a Muslim or not. including if it's a terror attack or if it's driven by religion. When was a terrorist ever called mentally unstable? When they're not a Muslim. Muslims are definitely never terrorists, particularly if they are killing Jews right? No idea where you got that from. Sounds like nonsense. Is there such a thing as a Muslim terrorist? " Are you doing a Johnny? | |||
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" Really, usually just if it's a Muslim or not. No, this is a baseless allegation When they're not a Muslim. Show me an example of when a non-Muslim terror attack was branded an issue of being mentally unstable " He's being sarcastic | |||
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"Kicking off tonight in Dublin. Simmering resentment over immigration is on display. I suspect Ireland might be next in the turning to the right. Great to see those fine patriots in action with such noble acts as burning trams, buses and looting shops. A medal and freedom of the city to every one of those involved surely!" Mob mentality | |||
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"An opinion poll in May showed 75% majority of people against any more immigration into Ireland," We don’t accept polls and referendums in the politics forum sorry. (Unless it suits)  | |||
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"An opinion poll in May showed 75% majority of people against any more immigration into Ireland, We don’t accept polls and referendums in the politics forum sorry. (Unless it suits) " | |||
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"Have to wait “99.1% of Algerians identified as Muslim” Possibly to be expected due to current events, the prophet is not happy. The priority here has to be identifying if the individual is a Muslim or not. If so they can use the word "terror", if not it's "mentally unstable". Nothing else about this tragedy really matters." All terrorists are mentally unstable and many are out of their heads on banned medication…ps you can’t mention the D word in here | |||
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"Have to wait “99.1% of Algerians identified as Muslim” Possibly to be expected due to current events, the prophet is not happy. The priority here has to be identifying if the individual is a Muslim or not. If so they can use the word "terror", if not it's "mentally unstable". Nothing else about this tragedy really matters. All terrorists are mentally unstable and many are out of their heads on banned medication…ps you can’t mention the D word in here " What d word? Democrats? 
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"It's a sad truth that the Irish people have accomplished in an evening of rioting what the Brits have failed to achieve in a decade. Now their government MUST act on immigration or face public disorder. Meanwhile, for all the grumbling in the UK, nothing changes - in fact it gets worse. These are a small group of thugs who do not represent the people. Opportunist thugs who offer and contribute nothing to society Perverse logic. Focused on 300 year old events instead of addressing the issues in front of you today," Well I find ironic for the fact that a lot of the Irish youth leave Ireland for the uk, the us and Australia….. And a thought.. since the bloke had lived in Ireland for 20 years, when does an immigrant stop being an immigrant.. or is it a lifetime label? Do we give more weight to immigrants the longer they have been in the country? For example does the fact that 2 immigrants (the Brazilian Deliveroo driver and the French student) stopped the attack equal the one perpetrator? Cause if we are saying immigrants bad.. the Irish rugby team is going to look a lot different… | |||
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"It's a sad truth that the Irish people have accomplished in an evening of rioting what the Brits have failed to achieve in a decade. Now their government MUST act on immigration or face public disorder. Meanwhile, for all the grumbling in the UK, nothing changes - in fact it gets worse. These are a small group of thugs who do not represent the people. Opportunist thugs who offer and contribute nothing to society Perverse logic. Focused on 300 year old events instead of addressing the issues in front of you today, Well I find ironic for the fact that a lot of the Irish youth leave Ireland for the uk, the us and Australia….. And a thought.. since the bloke had lived in Ireland for 20 years, when does an immigrant stop being an immigrant.. or is it a lifetime label? Do we give more weight to immigrants the longer they have been in the country? For example does the fact that 2 immigrants (the Brazilian Deliveroo driver and the French student) stopped the attack equal the one perpetrator? Cause if we are saying immigrants bad.. the Irish rugby team is going to look a lot different… " No one is saying immigrant = bad. Immigrant = a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country. The left would like us to believe that the right don't like immigrants, period. Its just not the case. | |||
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"It was an Irishman that disarmed the Algerian knife attacker,the Brazilian arrived after that, When the Algerian arrived 20 years ago he was listed for deportation,took his case to the high court and was allowed stay, Its these policies and decisions is the problem, the looting and burning of vehicles is a distraction caused by a small no of people " Yeah there are plenty of laws protecting criminals. If someone who moved to a country commits violent crime, there is no reason to not deport them. It doesn't matter if their life is in danger in their country or if they have problems with family separation. If these criminals really cared about this, they could just not have commited the violent crime in the first place. It shouldn't be that hard not to kill/r*pe people. | |||
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"It was an Irishman that disarmed the Algerian knife attacker,the Brazilian arrived after that, When the Algerian arrived 20 years ago he was listed for deportation,took his case to the high court and was allowed stay, Its these policies and decisions is the problem, the looting and burning of vehicles is a distraction caused by a small no of people " it feels inconsistent to me to dismiss the rioting as a small number of people, while focussing on one person's actions to show decisions made of the last 20 years are wrong. | |||
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"The daily fail is also reporting the suspect was charged with knife possession in May 2023…but not convicted Seems to be an obfuscation by Garda to release his identity. " times are saying a "no order" decision was given which normally implies serious mental health. Also read somewhere he had a brain clot in the last few years. Also feels not unreasonable to not publish his name until he's been interviewed. The priority should be the investigation. Not our hunger for info. | |||
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"Its not just one persons action,there's been a vast no of serious crimes including murders by people with criminal history let in ,who if were put through a vetting process wouldn't have been allowed stay,people are entitled to feel safe" can you give names so I can familiar myself ? | |||
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"Google the murder of Aisling Murphy,and read her boyfriend's victim's statement which he read out in court," horrific crime. But from what I can see he has no previous. And presumably he was here under EU FoM? Rather than an asylum seeker ? | |||
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"Yes he has,hes a convicted sex offender in his own country, if there was a vetting system in place she would still be alive " That's the weirdest part of the whole thing. Legal immigrants have to go through a lot of background checks before they are given visa. They even ask for even Tuberculosis test results. Someone guilty of violent crime will not be able to get a visa legally. Yet anyone can come to Europe on a boat and apply for asylum, none of these checks are done. And then they get angry when people complain about this. How can anyone feel safe? | |||
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"Yes he has,hes a convicted sex offender in his own country, if there was a vetting system in place she would still be alive " source for that pls. Bbc report said no convictions here or Slovakia. | |||
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"Yes he has,hes a convicted sex offender in his own country, if there was a vetting system in place she would still be alive source for that pls. Bbc report said no convictions here or Slovakia. " https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jozef-puska-avodi-mountjoy-prison-31471223 | |||
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"Yes he has,hes a convicted sex offender in his own country, if there was a vetting system in place she would still be alive source for that pls. Bbc report said no convictions here or Slovakia. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jozef-puska-avodi-mountjoy-prison-31471223"
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"It's a sad truth that the Irish people have accomplished in an evening of rioting what the Brits have failed to achieve in a decade. Now their government MUST act on immigration or face public disorder. Meanwhile, for all the grumbling in the UK, nothing changes - in fact it gets worse. These are a small group of thugs who do not represent the people. Opportunist thugs who offer and contribute nothing to society Perverse logic. Focused on 300 year old events instead of addressing the issues in front of you today, Well I find ironic for the fact that a lot of the Irish youth leave Ireland for the uk, the us and Australia….. And a thought.. since the bloke had lived in Ireland for 20 years, when does an immigrant stop being an immigrant.. or is it a lifetime label? Do we give more weight to immigrants the longer they have been in the country? For example does the fact that 2 immigrants (the Brazilian Deliveroo driver and the French student) stopped the attack equal the one perpetrator? Cause if we are saying immigrants bad.. the Irish rugby team is going to look a lot different… " | |||
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"It was an Irishman that disarmed the Algerian knife attacker,the Brazilian arrived after that, When the Algerian arrived 20 years ago he was listed for deportation,took his case to the high court and was allowed stay, Its these policies and decisions is the problem, the looting and burning of vehicles is a distraction caused by a small no of people it feels inconsistent to me to dismiss the rioting as a small number of people, while focussing on one person's actions to show decisions made of the last 20 years are wrong. " Anyone who thinks that the riots are solely "far right activists" is a fool. The government has just been waiting for an incidence like this to cause havoc in order to bring in their hate speech laws thereby silencing all of those who are opposed to open borders and allowing unvetted migrants and refugees into the country. They have a nasty agenda, not only in Ireland but the rest of the EU! Divide and conquer. It's not the immigrants and refugees that are the problem. It's the government and their policies with regards to immigration! | |||
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"It was an Irishman that disarmed the Algerian knife attacker,the Brazilian arrived after that, When the Algerian arrived 20 years ago he was listed for deportation,took his case to the high court and was allowed stay, Its these policies and decisions is the problem, the looting and burning of vehicles is a distraction caused by a small no of people it feels inconsistent to me to dismiss the rioting as a small number of people, while focussing on one person's actions to show decisions made of the last 20 years are wrong. Anyone who thinks that the riots are solely "far right activists" is a fool. The government has just been waiting for an incidence like this to cause havoc in order to bring in their hate speech laws thereby silencing all of those who are opposed to open borders and allowing unvetted migrants and refugees into the country. They have a nasty agenda, not only in Ireland but the rest of the EU! Divide and conquer. It's not the immigrants and refugees that are the problem. It's the government and their policies with regards to immigration!" Don't be silly, it's the 'far right' that are the problem. Sadie Khan and Leo Varadkar said so... | |||
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"It was an Irishman that disarmed the Algerian knife attacker,the Brazilian arrived after that, When the Algerian arrived 20 years ago he was listed for deportation,took his case to the high court and was allowed stay, Its these policies and decisions is the problem, the looting and burning of vehicles is a distraction caused by a small no of people it feels inconsistent to me to dismiss the rioting as a small number of people, while focussing on one person's actions to show decisions made of the last 20 years are wrong. Anyone who thinks that the riots are solely "far right activists" is a fool. The government has just been waiting for an incidence like this to cause havoc in order to bring in their hate speech laws thereby silencing all of those who are opposed to open borders and allowing unvetted migrants and refugees into the country. They have a nasty agenda, not only in Ireland but the rest of the EU! Divide and conquer. It's not the immigrants and refugees that are the problem. It's the government and their policies with regards to immigration! Don't be silly, it's the 'far right' that are the problem. Sadie Khan and Leo Varadkar said so..." Of course! Sorry, my mistake | |||
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"It was an Irishman that disarmed the Algerian knife attacker,the Brazilian arrived after that, When the Algerian arrived 20 years ago he was listed for deportation,took his case to the high court and was allowed stay, Its these policies and decisions is the problem, the looting and burning of vehicles is a distraction caused by a small no of people it feels inconsistent to me to dismiss the rioting as a small number of people, while focussing on one person's actions to show decisions made of the last 20 years are wrong. Anyone who thinks that the riots are solely "far right activists" is a fool. The government has just been waiting for an incidence like this to cause havoc in order to bring in their hate speech laws thereby silencing all of those who are opposed to open borders and allowing unvetted migrants and refugees into the country. They have a nasty agenda, not only in Ireland but the rest of the EU! Divide and conquer. It's not the immigrants and refugees that are the problem. It's the government and their policies with regards to immigration!" Then the way to address such perceived grievances etc is via the ballot box, form a political consensus and seek election based upon that and potential policies to look at the issues..? Because attacking police, arson and looting looks like mob rule and that's surely in no one's interests.. | |||
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"It was an Irishman that disarmed the Algerian knife attacker,the Brazilian arrived after that, When the Algerian arrived 20 years ago he was listed for deportation,took his case to the high court and was allowed stay, Its these policies and decisions is the problem, the looting and burning of vehicles is a distraction caused by a small no of people it feels inconsistent to me to dismiss the rioting as a small number of people, while focussing on one person's actions to show decisions made of the last 20 years are wrong. Anyone who thinks that the riots are solely "far right activists" is a fool. The government has just been waiting for an incidence like this to cause havoc in order to bring in their hate speech laws thereby silencing all of those who are opposed to open borders and allowing unvetted migrants and refugees into the country. They have a nasty agenda, not only in Ireland but the rest of the EU! Divide and conquer. It's not the immigrants and refugees that are the problem. It's the government and their policies with regards to immigration! Then the way to address such perceived grievances etc is via the ballot box, form a political consensus and seek election based upon that and potential policies to look at the issues..? Because attacking police, arson and looting looks like mob rule and that's surely in no one's interests.." I don't condone this behaviour. The instigators of this riot were the government. They're not listening to their people. And I believe they've placed their agents provocateur strategically. This government needs out. But elections will change nothing. | |||
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"It was an Irishman that disarmed the Algerian knife attacker,the Brazilian arrived after that, When the Algerian arrived 20 years ago he was listed for deportation,took his case to the high court and was allowed stay, Its these policies and decisions is the problem, the looting and burning of vehicles is a distraction caused by a small no of people it feels inconsistent to me to dismiss the rioting as a small number of people, while focussing on one person's actions to show decisions made of the last 20 years are wrong. Anyone who thinks that the riots are solely "far right activists" is a fool. The government has just been waiting for an incidence like this to cause havoc in order to bring in their hate speech laws thereby silencing all of those who are opposed to open borders and allowing unvetted migrants and refugees into the country. They have a nasty agenda, not only in Ireland but the rest of the EU! Divide and conquer. It's not the immigrants and refugees that are the problem. It's the government and their policies with regards to immigration! Then the way to address such perceived grievances etc is via the ballot box, form a political consensus and seek election based upon that and potential policies to look at the issues..? Because attacking police, arson and looting looks like mob rule and that's surely in no one's interests.. I don't condone this behaviour. The instigators of this riot were the government. They're not listening to their people. And I believe they've placed their agents provocateur strategically. This government needs out. But elections will change nothing. " Wasn't suggesting that you were.. Change does happen if there's an appetite for it, looking at the looters etc all they've said is I want some new designer gear and I'm happy to plod on.. | |||
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"The governments would win over a lot of people if they simply opted for zero tolerance for violent crime and went didn't block deportations. If the law means the courts have to block a deportation in such a case then amend the legislation to allow for it. It isn't rocket science. To be honest, it didn't even cross our mind until someone hinted in this thread that it could be in reprisal for what's going on in Gaza. Either way, people are being stabbed in broad daylight over there by violent people who should not be allowed to remain, like the awful case of Ashling Murphey. When a 5 year old is shanked and there isn't serious talk on amending the law then you know how rotten our government and courts are." I'll go one step further on your last point - considering the government's response to this horrendous criminal act is implementing hate speech laws, laws they've been gunning to bring in for a while - there's an agenda. Not a word how to protect children from this in the future! | |||
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"It was an Irishman that disarmed the Algerian knife attacker,the Brazilian arrived after that, When the Algerian arrived 20 years ago he was listed for deportation,took his case to the high court and was allowed stay, Its these policies and decisions is the problem, the looting and burning of vehicles is a distraction caused by a small no of people it feels inconsistent to me to dismiss the rioting as a small number of people, while focussing on one person's actions to show decisions made of the last 20 years are wrong. Anyone who thinks that the riots are solely "far right activists" is a fool. The government has just been waiting for an incidence like this to cause havoc in order to bring in their hate speech laws thereby silencing all of those who are opposed to open borders and allowing unvetted migrants and refugees into the country. They have a nasty agenda, not only in Ireland but the rest of the EU! Divide and conquer. It's not the immigrants and refugees that are the problem. It's the government and their policies with regards to immigration! Then the way to address such perceived grievances etc is via the ballot box, form a political consensus and seek election based upon that and potential policies to look at the issues..? Because attacking police, arson and looting looks like mob rule and that's surely in no one's interests.. I don't condone this behaviour. The instigators of this riot were the government. They're not listening to their people. And I believe they've placed their agents provocateur strategically. This government needs out. But elections will change nothing. " With Sinn Fein on the ascendancy the prospect of them in government should worry us all. | |||
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"It was an Irishman that disarmed the Algerian knife attacker,the Brazilian arrived after that, When the Algerian arrived 20 years ago he was listed for deportation,took his case to the high court and was allowed stay, Its these policies and decisions is the problem, the looting and burning of vehicles is a distraction caused by a small no of people it feels inconsistent to me to dismiss the rioting as a small number of people, while focussing on one person's actions to show decisions made of the last 20 years are wrong. Anyone who thinks that the riots are solely "far right activists" is a fool. The government has just been waiting for an incidence like this to cause havoc in order to bring in their hate speech laws thereby silencing all of those who are opposed to open borders and allowing unvetted migrants and refugees into the country. They have a nasty agenda, not only in Ireland but the rest of the EU! Divide and conquer. It's not the immigrants and refugees that are the problem. It's the government and their policies with regards to immigration! Then the way to address such perceived grievances etc is via the ballot box, form a political consensus and seek election based upon that and potential policies to look at the issues..? Because attacking police, arson and looting looks like mob rule and that's surely in no one's interests.. I don't condone this behaviour. The instigators of this riot were the government. They're not listening to their people. And I believe they've placed their agents provocateur strategically. This government needs out. But elections will change nothing. With Sinn Fein on the ascendancy the prospect of them in government should worry us all." They're all as bad as each other. | |||
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"Reports that the 'far right' have set fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing migrants. Not much media coverage of this here, nor of five people knifed. Does seem to be media suppression. The media are concentrating on the 'lunatic, hooligan faction driven by far-right ideology' Can't say I'm surprised. are you surprised ? Rioting is a bigger news story than stabbings. Especially when there will be little immediate news. I'm defintely not surprised at the language used. I'd rather they didn't use far right unless there is evidence. I'd stand behind lunatic hooligans given they are rioting. We do seem to have landed that violence is synonymous with far right and I'm not sure that is correct. This somewhat depends on definitions... Do you become further left/right because you are willing to turn to routing and violence to support your views ? I struggle with the definition to start with. It feels more than just economics nowadays ... But who knows... I'm not even sure about 'lunatic', hooligans ill agree with. I'm sure you haven't seen the videos of 'natives' confronting people looting though. MSM push the agenda they want to (or are told to) and miraculously leave out the good people out there. Remember when a cop killed a guy in the US, people in the Europe started protesting for some reason and toppling statues? Apparently that's totally cool. But when people react violently for kids being murdered in their own country, it's far-right hooliganism. Of course it's cool. Those people were oppressed and those statues represented slav*ry. Remember if certain people fight, they're freedom fighters. If others fight, they're far right hooligans. " Exactly.. like when that CNN reporter labeled the leftwing protests in the states "mostly peaceful" while stood infront of an entire street set on fire. | |||
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"It was an Irishman that disarmed the Algerian knife attacker,the Brazilian arrived after that, When the Algerian arrived 20 years ago he was listed for deportation,took his case to the high court and was allowed stay, Its these policies and decisions is the problem, the looting and burning of vehicles is a distraction caused by a small no of people it feels inconsistent to me to dismiss the rioting as a small number of people, while focussing on one person's actions to show decisions made of the last 20 years are wrong. Anyone who thinks that the riots are solely "far right activists" is a fool. The government has just been waiting for an incidence like this to cause havoc in order to bring in their hate speech laws thereby silencing all of those who are opposed to open borders and allowing unvetted migrants and refugees into the country. They have a nasty agenda, not only in Ireland but the rest of the EU! Divide and conquer. It's not the immigrants and refugees that are the problem. It's the government and their policies with regards to immigration!" Just came across the hate-speech laws Leo Varadkar is trying to push. You are 100% right. Apparently, possession of "material" that's considered hateful is also illegal under it. Material could range from memes to books. That's straight out of the dystopian worlds shown in 1984 and Fahrenheit 451. It's unfortunate that European countries are regressing towards totalitarianism. At least the CCP is mostly honest about it. The European politicians are hiding it under the guise of "hate speech laws" "for your own good". | |||
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"It was an Irishman that disarmed the Algerian knife attacker,the Brazilian arrived after that, When the Algerian arrived 20 years ago he was listed for deportation,took his case to the high court and was allowed stay, Its these policies and decisions is the problem, the looting and burning of vehicles is a distraction caused by a small no of people it feels inconsistent to me to dismiss the rioting as a small number of people, while focussing on one person's actions to show decisions made of the last 20 years are wrong. Anyone who thinks that the riots are solely "far right activists" is a fool. The government has just been waiting for an incidence like this to cause havoc in order to bring in their hate speech laws thereby silencing all of those who are opposed to open borders and allowing unvetted migrants and refugees into the country. They have a nasty agenda, not only in Ireland but the rest of the EU! Divide and conquer. It's not the immigrants and refugees that are the problem. It's the government and their policies with regards to immigration! Just came across the hate-speech laws Leo Varadkar is trying to push. You are 100% right. Apparently, possession of "material" that's considered hateful is also illegal under it. Material could range from memes to books. That's straight out of the dystopian worlds shown in 1984 and Fahrenheit 451. It's unfortunate that European countries are regressing towards totalitarianism. At least the CCP is mostly honest about it. The European politicians are hiding it under the guise of "hate speech laws" "for your own good"." Thank you. They've been gunning to get these hate speech laws in! Tried very quietly last year. This is their perfect opportunity now. Everything the government does to restrict freedom more and more is "for the common good". The Covid saga was just the test bed to see how far they could go in terrorising, demoralising and breaking down their own people. | |||
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"It was an Irishman that disarmed the Algerian knife attacker,the Brazilian arrived after that, When the Algerian arrived 20 years ago he was listed for deportation,took his case to the high court and was allowed stay, Its these policies and decisions is the problem, the looting and burning of vehicles is a distraction caused by a small no of people it feels inconsistent to me to dismiss the rioting as a small number of people, while focussing on one person's actions to show decisions made of the last 20 years are wrong. Anyone who thinks that the riots are solely "far right activists" is a fool. The government has just been waiting for an incidence like this to cause havoc in order to bring in their hate speech laws thereby silencing all of those who are opposed to open borders and allowing unvetted migrants and refugees into the country. They have a nasty agenda, not only in Ireland but the rest of the EU! Divide and conquer. It's not the immigrants and refugees that are the problem. It's the government and their policies with regards to immigration! Just came across the hate-speech laws Leo Varadkar is trying to push. You are 100% right. Apparently, possession of "material" that's considered hateful is also illegal under it. Material could range from memes to books. That's straight out of the dystopian worlds shown in 1984 and Fahrenheit 451. It's unfortunate that European countries are regressing towards totalitarianism. At least the CCP is mostly honest about it. The European politicians are hiding it under the guise of "hate speech laws" "for your own good". Thank you. They've been gunning to get these hate speech laws in! Tried very quietly last year. This is their perfect opportunity now. Everything the government does to restrict freedom more and more is "for the common good". The Covid saga was just the test bed to see how far they could go in terrorising, demoralising and breaking down their own people. " Cough cough, you are governed by consent and it is a choice... to be or not to be.   | |||
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"It was an Irishman that disarmed the Algerian knife attacker,the Brazilian arrived after that, When the Algerian arrived 20 years ago he was listed for deportation,took his case to the high court and was allowed stay, Its these policies and decisions is the problem, the looting and burning of vehicles is a distraction caused by a small no of people it feels inconsistent to me to dismiss the rioting as a small number of people, while focussing on one person's actions to show decisions made of the last 20 years are wrong. Anyone who thinks that the riots are solely "far right activists" is a fool. The government has just been waiting for an incidence like this to cause havoc in order to bring in their hate speech laws thereby silencing all of those who are opposed to open borders and allowing unvetted migrants and refugees into the country. They have a nasty agenda, not only in Ireland but the rest of the EU! Divide and conquer. It's not the immigrants and refugees that are the problem. It's the government and their policies with regards to immigration! Just came across the hate-speech laws Leo Varadkar is trying to push. You are 100% right. Apparently, possession of "material" that's considered hateful is also illegal under it. Material could range from memes to books. That's straight out of the dystopian worlds shown in 1984 and Fahrenheit 451. It's unfortunate that European countries are regressing towards totalitarianism. At least the CCP is mostly honest about it. The European politicians are hiding it under the guise of "hate speech laws" "for your own good". Thank you. They've been gunning to get these hate speech laws in! Tried very quietly last year. This is their perfect opportunity now. Everything the government does to restrict freedom more and more is "for the common good". The Covid saga was just the test bed to see how far they could go in terrorising, demoralising and breaking down their own people. " Lol | |||
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"Word on the street is that the little girl who was brutally stabbed on Thursday is brain-dead and kept alive artificially since Thursday evening. My thoughts and prayers are with the family. The family allegedly are Ukrainian immigrants with little or no knowledge of Irish laws and difficulty with the English language. These people, who are at their most vulnerable, are allegedly being treated abysmally by not only health care staff with lack of updates on their child and referring them on to the guards. While An Gardai Siochana is allegedly threatening the family with "hate speech" should they speak publicly, that it is an offence to speak about a live criminal investigation, and no photos may be taken or shared! It very much sounds like they are being manipulated and threatened by officers of the law to stay quiet. Personally, I believe the above to be true. I've lost any faith in the government during Covid, in fact, I have nothing but contempt. The handling of this situation by all public sectors is disgusting, shameful and despicable. Considering I'm supposedly a far right, tin foil hat wearing, homophobic, transphobic, islamphobic, anti immigration, racist scumbag, I'd like this family to be treated with the respect and dignity they deserve. So I will repeat, it is not immigrants who are the problem. It is the government! Please remember this announcement has come from a conspiracy theorist so obviously none of the allegations made are truthful or have any substance. "An "announcement" with lots of "word on the street", "allegedly", "personally I believe" from a self confessed conspiracy theorist with the green arrow backing most if it up doesn't make for a convincing argument  | |||
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"Word on the street is that the little girl who was brutally stabbed on Thursday is brain-dead and kept alive artificially since Thursday evening. My thoughts and prayers are with the family. The family allegedly are Ukrainian immigrants with little or no knowledge of Irish laws and difficulty with the English language. These people, who are at their most vulnerable, are allegedly being treated abysmally by not only health care staff with lack of updates on their child and referring them on to the guards. While An Gardai Siochana is allegedly threatening the family with "hate speech" should they speak publicly, that it is an offence to speak about a live criminal investigation, and no photos may be taken or shared! It very much sounds like they are being manipulated and threatened by officers of the law to stay quiet. Personally, I believe the above to be true. I've lost any faith in the government during Covid, in fact, I have nothing but contempt. The handling of this situation by all public sectors is disgusting, shameful and despicable. Considering I'm supposedly a far right, tin foil hat wearing, homophobic, transphobic, islamphobic, anti immigration, racist scumbag, I'd like this family to be treated with the respect and dignity they deserve. So I will repeat, it is not immigrants who are the problem. It is the government! Please remember this announcement has come from a conspiracy theorist so obviously none of the allegations made are truthful or have any substance.
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will." which article ? At some point he became a citizen right ? | |||
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will.which article ? At some point he became a citizen right ? " Named above, Google it. He did, after about a decade of costing the taxpayer on what I'd consider a technicality because of the sheer inability of the government to follow through on deportation. | |||
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will.which article ? At some point he became a citizen right ? Named above, Google it. He did, after about a decade of costing the taxpayer on what I'd consider a technicality because of the sheer inability of the government to follow through on deportation." This is now what is showing in place of said Gript article: "This morning, just after 9am, more than 17 hours after the story that appeared on this page on Gript.ie was published – and after media outlets elsewhere had first been informed – the Garda Press Office contacted Gript to say that the unnamed person referred to in the story that appeared at this link yesterday, is not, in fact, a person of interest in the events of last Thursday. Gript Media’s original reporting was sourced from a member of an Garda Siochána. It was further cross-checked against publicly available records, and while the name of the suspect was not reported, that name was put to a senior official on the basis of an informal “cross-check” before publication. Gript Media, like other media outlets, has a firm policy of never naming any individual suspected in relation to a criminal act until such time as that person has been charged with a crime, and confirming that there are no reporting restrictions in place. In this case, we kept to that policy, while cross-checking our details with our sources in the usual way. We are investigating the circumstances of this error, including giving due consideration to the question of whether this media outlet was deliberately deceived by a senior official. If we determine that to have been the case, then our obligation to protect the anonymity of those sources will be considered forfeit." | |||
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will.which article ? At some point he became a citizen right ? Named above, Google it. He did, after about a decade of costing the taxpayer on what I'd consider a technicality because of the sheer inability of the government to follow through on deportation. This is now what is showing in place of said Gript article: "This morning, just after 9am, more than 17 hours after the story that appeared on this page on Gript.ie was published – and after media outlets elsewhere had first been informed – the Garda Press Office contacted Gript to say that the unnamed person referred to in the story that appeared at this link yesterday, is not, in fact, a person of interest in the events of last Thursday. Gript Media’s original reporting was sourced from a member of an Garda Siochána. It was further cross-checked against publicly available records, and while the name of the suspect was not reported, that name was put to a senior official on the basis of an informal “cross-check” before publication. Gript Media, like other media outlets, has a firm policy of never naming any individual suspected in relation to a criminal act until such time as that person has been charged with a crime, and confirming that there are no reporting restrictions in place. In this case, we kept to that policy, while cross-checking our details with our sources in the usual way. We are investigating the circumstances of this error, including giving due consideration to the question of whether this media outlet was deliberately deceived by a senior official. If we determine that to have been the case, then our obligation to protect the anonymity of those sources will be considered forfeit."" interesting turn of events. | |||
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will.which article ? At some point he became a citizen right ? Named above, Google it. He did, after about a decade of costing the taxpayer on what I'd consider a technicality because of the sheer inability of the government to follow through on deportation. This is now what is showing in place of said Gript article: "This morning, just after 9am, more than 17 hours after the story that appeared on this page on Gript.ie was published – and after media outlets elsewhere had first been informed – the Garda Press Office contacted Gript to say that the unnamed person referred to in the story that appeared at this link yesterday, is not, in fact, a person of interest in the events of last Thursday. Gript Media’s original reporting was sourced from a member of an Garda Siochána. It was further cross-checked against publicly available records, and while the name of the suspect was not reported, that name was put to a senior official on the basis of an informal “cross-check” before publication. Gript Media, like other media outlets, has a firm policy of never naming any individual suspected in relation to a criminal act until such time as that person has been charged with a crime, and confirming that there are no reporting restrictions in place. In this case, we kept to that policy, while cross-checking our details with our sources in the usual way. We are investigating the circumstances of this error, including giving due consideration to the question of whether this media outlet was deliberately deceived by a senior official. If we determine that to have been the case, then our obligation to protect the anonymity of those sources will be considered forfeit."" I have just heard about this and was going to report my post for removal as well as posting a correction. Thanks for doing it in my stead | |||
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"Apparently a councillor named Azad Talukder said "Not even an animal does these kind of thing. It is very shameful and they should get public punishment.I’d like to see them shot in the head or bring the public in and beat them until they die" No, he is not talking about the one who stabbed children. He is talking about the protestors. This is an actual call for violence and this is exactly what should be covered by hate speech laws and he should be arrested. But apparently not?" God no, he is firmly within his right to voice his opinions!!!  | |||
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"Apparently a councillor named Azad Talukder said "Not even an animal does these kind of thing. It is very shameful and they should get public punishment.I’d like to see them shot in the head or bring the public in and beat them until they die" No, he is not talking about the one who stabbed children. He is talking about the protestors. This is an actual call for violence and this is exactly what should be covered by hate speech laws and he should be arrested. But apparently not?" That's not an actual call for violence. Those words, in the cold light of a court room, would be seen as an expression of that person's opinion. He's saying what he'd like to see, not asking anyone to make it happen. However the local council ought to be taking action. A councillor expressing such opinions ought to be considered not a fit and proper person to hold office. | |||
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will." The mainstream media didn't tell us because it was bullshit and now because of people spreading this false story the person referred to in the piece has to have police protection. | |||
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will. The mainstream media didn't tell us because it was bullshit and now because of people spreading this false story the person referred to in the piece has to have police protection. " How do people know who the statement referred to? No one was named as far as I'm aware. | |||
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will. The mainstream media didn't tell us because it was bullshit and now because of people spreading this false story the person referred to in the piece has to have police protection. How do people know who the statement referred to? No one was named as far as I'm aware." I wondered the same thing. According to the Irish Independent enough details on immigration case ruling were given in the article which are available on legal sites where names are listed. He was identified and his photo shared across social media platforms. It's an awful thing to happen and I hope he gets through the next few weeks unscathed. | |||
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will. The mainstream media didn't tell us because it was bullshit and now because of people spreading this false story the person referred to in the piece has to have police protection. How do people know who the statement referred to? No one was named as far as I'm aware. I wondered the same thing. According to the Irish Independent enough details on immigration case ruling were given in the article which are available on legal sites where names are listed. He was identified and his photo shared across social media platforms. It's an awful thing to happen and I hope he gets through the next few weeks unscathed. " I seen the independent headline but I haven't seen the guy shared anywhere. | |||
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will. The mainstream media didn't tell us because it was bullshit and now because of people spreading this false story the person referred to in the piece has to have police protection. How do people know who the statement referred to? No one was named as far as I'm aware. I wondered the same thing. According to the Irish Independent enough details on immigration case ruling were given in the article which are available on legal sites where names are listed. He was identified and his photo shared across social media platforms. It's an awful thing to happen and I hope he gets through the next few weeks unscathed. I seen the independent headline but I haven't seen the guy shared anywhere. " I didn't either. So many odd things around this case that don't add up though. | |||
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will. The mainstream media didn't tell us because it was bullshit and now because of people spreading this false story the person referred to in the piece has to have police protection. How do people know who the statement referred to? No one was named as far as I'm aware. I wondered the same thing. According to the Irish Independent enough details on immigration case ruling were given in the article which are available on legal sites where names are listed. He was identified and his photo shared across social media platforms. It's an awful thing to happen and I hope he gets through the next few weeks unscathed. " gript apparently got all their data from the Public Domain.(other than the name) so it's not implausible one could reverse engineer that. It also seems gript may be more edgy media so maybe they leaked the name? If course that assumes athe name is out there. But odd to give protection of it's not. Unless that's also fake news. | |||
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will. The mainstream media didn't tell us because it was bullshit and now because of people spreading this false story the person referred to in the piece has to have police protection. How do people know who the statement referred to? No one was named as far as I'm aware. I wondered the same thing. According to the Irish Independent enough details on immigration case ruling were given in the article which are available on legal sites where names are listed. He was identified and his photo shared across social media platforms. It's an awful thing to happen and I hope he gets through the next few weeks unscathed. I seen the independent headline but I haven't seen the guy shared anywhere. I didn't either. So many odd things around this case that don't add up though." Not least, the zero information being handed out from authorities. | |||
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will. The mainstream media didn't tell us because it was bullshit and now because of people spreading this false story the person referred to in the piece has to have police protection. How do people know who the statement referred to? No one was named as far as I'm aware. I wondered the same thing. According to the Irish Independent enough details on immigration case ruling were given in the article which are available on legal sites where names are listed. He was identified and his photo shared across social media platforms. It's an awful thing to happen and I hope he gets through the next few weeks unscathed. gript apparently got all their data from the Public Domain.(other than the name) so it's not implausible one could reverse engineer that. It also seems gript may be more edgy media so maybe they leaked the name? If course that assumes athe name is out there. But odd to give protection of it's not. Unless that's also fake news. " They definitely didn't put his name in the article. I read the original. Country and age was all it had. It did have a detailed history since the man's arrival in Ireland and his asylum claims. It could be reversed engineered I suppose but there's so much fake news, it's hard to tell who is in the wrong. | |||
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will. The mainstream media didn't tell us because it was bullshit and now because of people spreading this false story the person referred to in the piece has to have police protection. How do people know who the statement referred to? No one was named as far as I'm aware. I wondered the same thing. According to the Irish Independent enough details on immigration case ruling were given in the article which are available on legal sites where names are listed. He was identified and his photo shared across social media platforms. It's an awful thing to happen and I hope he gets through the next few weeks unscathed. I seen the independent headline but I haven't seen the guy shared anywhere. I didn't either. So many odd things around this case that don't add up though. Not least, the zero information being handed out from authorities." | |||
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"What the mainstream media won't tell you has been investigated and reported by Gript, The Stabbing Suspect's Deportation Saga which extends over a decade and shows the state's utter inability to deal with immigration issues in the first place. His application to remain in the state was supported by two Irish NGOs, involved two Justice Ministers, multiple court applications, and a consistent pattern of refused applications on behalf of the suspect. Arrived in Ireland in August 99, applied for asylum. Processing of application took two years and refused, invited to make applications “in the ordinary way”, despite this negative recommendation, he should nevertheless be granted leave to remain. He made no such application. In 2003, two years after his application was refused, a deportation order was signed by the then Minister for Justice, now Senator, Michael McDowell. This order was conveyed by letter in March 2003. The suspect was ordered to present himself for deportation. He did not attend, was classified as an evader, meaning Gardai were authorised to apprehend him. This did not happen. He remained living openly in Ireland, sought assistance of two Irish NGOs working in the Asylum sector with his case. Both these NGOs continue to work in Ireland today, and one is relatively well known. Between May 2003, and February 2004, court records show that several unsuccessful applications were made on behalf of the suspect – now under new legal representation – for extra time for an application for leave to remain, and for a quashing of the deportation order. Each of these was refused by the courts. The two NGOs helped make yet another application, this time on the basis that the Minister had erred in law by not granting asylum. And if you want to follow the fiasco over the next few years you can check out the article... Make of it what you will. The mainstream media didn't tell us because it was bullshit and now because of people spreading this false story the person referred to in the piece has to have police protection. How do people know who the statement referred to? No one was named as far as I'm aware. I wondered the same thing. According to the Irish Independent enough details on immigration case ruling were given in the article which are available on legal sites where names are listed. He was identified and his photo shared across social media platforms. It's an awful thing to happen and I hope he gets through the next few weeks unscathed. gript apparently got all their data from the Public Domain.(other than the name) so it's not implausible one could reverse engineer that. It also seems gript may be more edgy media so maybe they leaked the name? If course that assumes athe name is out there. But odd to give protection of it's not. Unless that's also fake news. They definitely didn't put his name in the article. I read the original. Country and age was all it had. It did have a detailed history since the man's arrival in Ireland and his asylum claims. It could be reversed engineered I suppose but there's so much fake news, it's hard to tell who is in the wrong. " it appears true they had published history of the wrong person. Hence the website retraction. Whether that name was public domain, who knows. Whether that person is under protection, pass. It may be the second is true without the first just as a precaution. But it's not helpful with all.yje background to be printing that stuff good faith or not. The rush to be first is not helping the bigger picture. | |||
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"Gript is a right wing Christian focused publication that has plenty of previous in blaming minorities for society's ills. They knew what they were doing..." From what I've seen, Gript appear to be more trusted than the likes of RTE. That may just be algorithms at play though. | |||
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"Rte are government funded to a certain extent,gript is independent tend to ask tougher questions in my opinion " Gript is funded too. By right wing Christians who obviously have their own agenda. | |||
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"No one knows the attackers motives as he had his head caved in and is brain dead apparently. When ever something like this happens it's often put down to mental health which is how you might describe someone who carries out a savage attack in the name of their god" the guy had a blood clot previously and sounds like MH has been considered on previous cases. Afaik, no evidence of this being religion based. | |||
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"No one knows the attackers motives as he had his head caved in and is brain dead apparently. When ever something like this happens it's often put down to mental health which is how you might describe someone who carries out a savage attack in the name of their godthe guy had a blood clot previously and sounds like MH has been considered on previous cases. Afaik, no evidence of this being religion based. " My point is that even if its religious based surely you must be mentally ill to carry out a terror attack in the name of your god. Sane people don't kill others in the name of religion but certain religions tend to have a lot of mentally ill followers | |||
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"My point is that even if its religious based surely you must be mentally ill to carry out a terror attack in the name of your god. Sane people don't kill others in the name of religion but certain religions tend to have a lot of mentally ill followers" That's you living by modern Western Christian standards, and imagining that it must be universal. There was an awful loss of killing done in the name of the crusades, and by Catholicism back in the day. Would you consider all of our ancestors to be mentally ill? | |||
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"No one knows the attackers motives as he had his head caved in and is brain dead apparently. When ever something like this happens it's often put down to mental health which is how you might describe someone who carries out a savage attack in the name of their godthe guy had a blood clot previously and sounds like MH has been considered on previous cases. Afaik, no evidence of this being religion based. My point is that even if its religious based surely you must be mentally ill to carry out a terror attack in the name of your god. Sane people don't kill others in the name of religion but certain religions tend to have a lot of mentally ill followers" there's very few "sane" reasons. Likewise there very few "sane" reasons to tear up the city. Of also say a lot of violence has been done in the name of religion, or at least closely connected. Even if we look at the Troubles, those most, ahem, pationate, seem to have strong religious views. But id sugegst we keep religion out of this thread as it seems irrelevant as it stands. There's been enough false flags on this case. | |||
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"My point is that even if its religious based surely you must be mentally ill to carry out a terror attack in the name of your god. Sane people don't kill others in the name of religion but certain religions tend to have a lot of mentally ill followers That's you living by modern Western Christian standards, and imagining that it must be universal. There was an awful loss of killing done in the name of the crusades, and by Catholicism back in the day. Would you consider all of our ancestors to be mentally ill?" We're the crusades not 1000 years ago or more when our ancestors burned people for being witches and thought the world was flat! | |||
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"No one knows the attackers motives as he had his head caved in and is brain dead apparently. When ever something like this happens it's often put down to mental health which is how you might describe someone who carries out a savage attack in the name of their godthe guy had a blood clot previously and sounds like MH has been considered on previous cases. Afaik, no evidence of this being religion based. My point is that even if its religious based surely you must be mentally ill to carry out a terror attack in the name of your god. Sane people don't kill others in the name of religion but certain religions tend to have a lot of mentally ill followersthere's very few "sane" reasons. Likewise there very few "sane" reasons to tear up the city. Of also say a lot of violence has been done in the name of religion, or at least closely connected. Even if we look at the Troubles, those most, ahem, pationate, seem to have strong religious views. But id sugegst we keep religion out of this thread as it seems irrelevant as it stands. There's been enough false flags on this case. " Most "religious" conflicts tend to have there routes in land and property same way that spreading democracy to the middle east usually has more to do with oil! | |||
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"Let's be honest outside of Ukraine/Russia at present if your attacked by a mentally ill stranger with a knife there a high chance they will be shouting something about religion or using that as some kind of rationale." but not in this case it seems. Tbh I'm more likely to be stabbed by bored teenagers ATM (based on a stabbing in my area)... I wonder if they are classed as mentally ill if they have no reason to attack. | |||
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"Let's be honest outside of Ukraine/Russia at present if your attacked by a mentally ill stranger with a knife there a high chance they will be shouting something about religion or using that as some kind of rationale. but not in this case it Tbh I'm more likely to be stabbed by bored teenagers ATM (based on a stabbing in my area)... I wonder if they are classed as mentally ill if they have no reason to attack. " If they are stabbing for bo reason what so ever I would say they have a mental deficiency of some kind. Do these teens stab children as well? | |||
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"Let's be honest outside of Ukraine/Russia at present if your attacked by a mentally ill stranger with a knife there a high chance they will be shouting something about religion or using that as some kind of rationale. but not in this case it Tbh I'm more likely to be stabbed by bored teenagers ATM (based on a stabbing in my area)... I wonder if they are classed as mentally ill if they have no reason to attack. If they are stabbing for bo reason what so ever I would say they have a mental deficiency of some kind. Do these teens stab children as well?" the lad was 18. He was killed. There have been stabbings of younger. We tend to remember a) what's prominent in the news and b) what we want to. I'd imagine there are plenty of stabbings in France say. But we hear of one case. Likewise Dublin. Which doesn't (as yet) appear religion related. Just worth checking in where we get our data from. The news isnt unfiltered data. It creates biases. | |||
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"Some times when you have teens stabbing each other it's gang related over drug turfs etc. Gang warfare if you will has some rationale " it wasn't. It was random. The trials over. | |||
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