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"I believe we were told they were going ti ditch us. But it does seem that now their ev models will be built here. I am going to assume this means an increase in tbe gigsfactory size as well which was built with this in mind and its output on batteries can increase. " 1) yes it is good news 2) never made sense and still does not make sense for Nissan to move manufacturing as they sell more cars in the UK than they do for the entire EU combined P.s people were pointing out that without a free trade agreement those components need that were not created in the uk would cost more… including those made in Japan as funny enough, the Japanese and the EU have a FTA 
Yes.. it’s good news… but Brexit hindered, not helped!!!
P.s…. Trying to points score…. So petty | |||
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"I believe we were told they were going ti ditch us. But it does seem that now their ev models will be built here. I am going to assume this means an increase in tbe gigsfactory size as well which was built with this in mind and its output on batteries can increase. " Yes excellent news and a reversal of the previous doom and gloom. Speaking to a friend that works for them I'm told the rules of origin thing mean more and more of the parts that used to be made abroad are now being made in the UK | |||
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"I believe we were told they were going ti ditch us. But it does seem that now their ev models will be built here. I am going to assume this means an increase in tbe gigsfactory size as well which was built with this in mind and its output on batteries can increase. 1) yes it is good news 2) never made sense and still does not make sense for Nissan to move manufacturing as they sell more cars in the UK than they do for the entire EU combined P.s people were pointing out that without a free trade agreement those components need that were not created in the uk would cost more… including those made in Japan as funny enough, the Japanese and the EU have a FTA
Yes.. it’s good news… but Brexit hindered, not helped!!!
P.s…. Trying to points score…. So petty "You're going to have to explain point 2? It males bo sense sorry. | |||
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"I believe we were told they were going ti ditch us. But it does seem that now their ev models will be built here. I am going to assume this means an increase in tbe gigsfactory size as well which was built with this in mind and its output on batteries can increase. 1) yes it is good news 2) never made sense and still does not make sense for Nissan to move manufacturing as they sell more cars in the UK than they do for the entire EU combined P.s people were pointing out that without a free trade agreement those components need that were not created in the uk would cost more… including those made in Japan as funny enough, the Japanese and the EU have a FTA
Yes.. it’s good news… but Brexit hindered, not helped!!!
P.s…. Trying to points score…. So petty "We were told by many remainers Nissan would leave. It was quite a well utilise trope at the time. | |||
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"I believe we were told they were going ti ditch us. But it does seem that now their ev models will be built here. I am going to assume this means an increase in tbe gigsfactory size as well which was built with this in mind and its output on batteries can increase. 1) yes it is good news 2) never made sense and still does not make sense for Nissan to move manufacturing as they sell more cars in the UK than they do for the entire EU combined P.s people were pointing out that without a free trade agreement those components need that were not created in the uk would cost more… including those made in Japan as funny enough, the Japanese and the EU have a FTA
Yes.. it’s good news… but Brexit hindered, not helped!!!
P.s…. Trying to points score…. So petty "I can't see where it says Nissan Sunderland supply more cars to the UK than all of Europe combined. Everything I have read and been told is that about 70% of what they make is exported and mostly to Europe. Where do I find your figures? | |||
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"I believe we were told they were going ti ditch us. But it does seem that now their ev models will be built here. I am going to assume this means an increase in tbe gigsfactory size as well which was built with this in mind and its output on batteries can increase. 1) yes it is good news 2) never made sense and still does not make sense for Nissan to move manufacturing as they sell more cars in the UK than they do for the entire EU combined P.s people were pointing out that without a free trade agreement those components need that were not created in the uk would cost more… including those made in Japan as funny enough, the Japanese and the EU have a FTA
Yes.. it’s good news… but Brexit hindered, not helped!!!
P.s…. Trying to points score…. So petty
I can't see where it says Nissan Sunderland supply more cars to the UK than all of Europe combined. Everything I have read and been told is that about 70% of what they make is exported and mostly to Europe. Where do I find your figures?"Oh oh. Have you caught out friend in another lie about cars? | |||
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"I believe we were told they were going ti ditch us. But it does seem that now their ev models will be built here. I am going to assume this means an increase in tbe gigsfactory size as well which was built with this in mind and its output on batteries can increase. 1) yes it is good news 2) never made sense and still does not make sense for Nissan to move manufacturing as they sell more cars in the UK than they do for the entire EU combined P.s people were pointing out that without a free trade agreement those components need that were not created in the uk would cost more… including those made in Japan as funny enough, the Japanese and the EU have a FTA
Yes.. it’s good news… but Brexit hindered, not helped!!!
P.s…. Trying to points score…. So petty
I can't see where it says Nissan Sunderland supply more cars to the UK than all of Europe combined. Everything I have read and been told is that about 70% of what they make is exported and mostly to Europe. Where do I find your figures?
Oh oh.
Have you caught out friend in another lie about cars?"I'm not sure I would use the word lie but just interested in where he got his figures from as he seems to have used them to base his whole opinion of why, post brexit, Nissan is still in the UK and even expanding. | |||
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"I believe we were told they were going ti ditch us. But it does seem that now their ev models will be built here. I am going to assume this means an increase in tbe gigsfactory size as well which was built with this in mind and its output on batteries can increase. 1) yes it is good news 2) never made sense and still does not make sense for Nissan to move manufacturing as they sell more cars in the UK than they do for the entire EU combined P.s people were pointing out that without a free trade agreement those components need that were not created in the uk would cost more… including those made in Japan as funny enough, the Japanese and the EU have a FTA
Yes.. it’s good news… but Brexit hindered, not helped!!!
P.s…. Trying to points score…. So petty
We were told by many remainers Nissan would leave.
It was quite a well utilise trope at the time.
"We where told POTENTIALLY they could leave. | |||
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"I believe we were told they were going ti ditch us. But it does seem that now their ev models will be built here. I am going to assume this means an increase in tbe gigsfactory size as well which was built with this in mind and its output on batteries can increase. 1) yes it is good news 2) never made sense and still does not make sense for Nissan to move manufacturing as they sell more cars in the UK than they do for the entire EU combined P.s people were pointing out that without a free trade agreement those components need that were not created in the uk would cost more… including those made in Japan as funny enough, the Japanese and the EU have a FTA
Yes.. it’s good news… but Brexit hindered, not helped!!!
P.s…. Trying to points score…. So petty
We were told by many remainers Nissan would leave.
It was quite a well utilise trope at the time.
We where told POTENTIALLY they could leave."We were told a lot of things on both sides of the argument....most of which were speculative and without foundation in fact. It's a bit like the wordplay in these forums  | |||
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"Does anyone have any idea if we ( as in UK government , ie taxpayer , ie me and you ) have paid Nissan to stay ? And if so how much ? I am not saying a particularly bad thing if "we" have , would just be interested in the amount if we have . I am pleased they are staying in UK and as someone who has been asking for a Brexit benefit for some time , then maybe Nissan remaining is one (NB if any of my fellow remainers are reading this please do not mention that Nissan were here while we were in The EU , let the brexitiers have their 5 minutes ) " I believe there has been some grant from the goverment but just in the same way that is done accross many countries including europe. Ironically there used to be a chap here that said the power of the EU meant they could easily attract the likes of Nissan with big subsidies and that the UK could not compete. He seems to have been quiet for a while now. The lion share of the investment is still from Nissan itself and despite 70% of the cars being sold in Europe they are investing heavily in the plant here. No matter if your a remainer or leaver voter I would say it's excellent news. | |||
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"Does anyone have any idea if we ( as in UK government , ie taxpayer , ie me and you ) have paid Nissan to stay ? And if so how much ? I am not saying a particularly bad thing if "we" have , would just be interested in the amount if we have . I am pleased they are staying in UK and as someone who has been asking for a Brexit benefit for some time , then maybe Nissan remaining is one (NB if any of my fellow remainers are reading this please do not mention that Nissan were here while we were in The EU , let the brexitiers have their 5 minutes ) " “The investment is aided by government funding that may run into hundreds of millions of pounds” FT | |||
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"Does anyone have any idea if we ( as in UK government , ie taxpayer , ie me and you ) have paid Nissan to stay ? And if so how much ? I am not saying a particularly bad thing if "we" have , would just be interested in the amount if we have . I am pleased they are staying in UK and as someone who has been asking for a Brexit benefit for some time , then maybe Nissan remaining is one (NB if any of my fellow remainers are reading this please do not mention that Nissan were here while we were in The EU , let the brexitiers have their 5 minutes ) I believe there has been some grant from the goverment but just in the same way that is done accross many countries including europe. Ironically there used to be a chap here that said the power of the EU meant they could easily attract the likes of Nissan with big subsidies and that the UK could not compete. He seems to have been quiet for a while now. The lion share of the investment is still from Nissan itself and despite 70% of the cars being sold in Europe they are investing heavily in the plant here. No matter if your a remainer or leaver voter I would say it's excellent news." . I said it may not be a bad thing if "we" had invested money , as a remainer or leaver it is excellent news that Nissan are remaining (did you see what I did there ????) ..it appears from your response that "we" have given Nissan some kind of grant (as happens in Eurooe) .it would be interesting to know (A) how much ? (B) how does this compare to any money "we" paid while still a EU member ? (C) what amounts are paid to Nissan by other EU countries ? I am NOT saying the amount is money wasted it has kept many jobs I am simply interested in how much | |||
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" (A) how much ? I am NOT saying the amount is money wasted it has kept many jobs I am simply interested in how much " The government's contribution to Nissan's project is understood to be about £100m, and if the gigafactory goes ahead, the funding for that will also be about £100m And £500m to Tata for Bridgwater battery factory https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67517522.amp | |||
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" (A) how much ? I am NOT saying the amount is money wasted it has kept many jobs I am simply interested in how much The government's contribution to Nissan's project is understood to be about £100m, and if the gigafactory goes ahead, the funding for that will also be about £100m And £500m to Tata for Bridgwater battery factory https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67517522.amp one hundred million, what a bonus. that could pay many salaries " | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus." Welcome to the world of business. Whether it's countries or backhanders to 'people with clout', an awful lot of business gets done that way. | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus." Yes. Uk manufacturing employment has fallen from 8.6M jobs in 1970’s to around 2.7M now. | |||
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"I believe we were told they were going ti ditch us. But it does seem that now their ev models will be built here. I am going to assume this means an increase in tbe gigsfactory size as well which was built with this in mind and its output on batteries can increase. " I was going to post this one one of those Brexit bonus threads we used to see every other week | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus. Welcome to the world of business. Whether it's countries or backhanders to 'people with clout', an awful lot of business gets done that way. " When it's done in Europe or USA or anywhere else it's sound business. Of course do the same in the UK it must be bribing | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus. Yes. Uk manufacturing employment has fallen from 8.6M jobs in 1970’s to around 2.7M now. " Quite a drop in people needed. Would automation have accounted for some of that? Apparently the UK has moved up the manufacturing table in the last year. I think overtaking France from memory though not totally sure. Not to bad for a service based economy | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus. Yes. Uk manufacturing employment has fallen from 8.6M jobs in 1970’s to around 2.7M now. Quite a drop in people needed. Would automation have accounted for some of that? Apparently the UK has moved up the manufacturing table in the last year. I think overtaking France from memory though not totally sure. Not to bad for a service based economy" A drop in uk manufacturing as % gdp 25% in early 70’s 17.8% last year (last fig I read) China reportedly manufactures 28% of everything on the globe. The benefit of cheap labour. | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus. Yes. Uk manufacturing employment has fallen from 8.6M jobs in 1970’s to around 2.7M now. Quite a drop in people needed. Would automation have accounted for some of that? Apparently the UK has moved up the manufacturing table in the last year. I think overtaking France from memory though not totally sure. Not to bad for a service based economy A drop in uk manufacturing as % gdp 25% in early 70’s 17.8% last year (last fig I read) China reportedly manufactures 28% of everything on the globe. The benefit of cheap labour. " Quite surprised the drop from the early 70's is not greater than that considering the UK was not a service dominated economy back then or at least no where near as much as these days. Even more surprised of the UK overtaking France | |||
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""Nissan bosses say impact of Brexit on its UK operations is now negligible. Once a vocal critic of leaving EU, Japanese car giant tells Sunday Times UK would be Nissan’s primary European production centre for “the foreseeable future” and remains its most important market in Europe. Otherwise it would not be making a £2bn upgrade to its Sunderland facilities. State subsidies involved — about 10% — on a par with what’s available in US/EU."" A positive about face by Nissan. Wonder why? What is the source of this quote? | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. " More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong | |||
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"I believe we were told they were going ti ditch us. But it does seem that now their ev models will be built here. I am going to assume this means an increase in tbe gigsfactory size as well which was built with this in mind and its output on batteries can increase. 1) yes it is good news 2) never made sense and still does not make sense for Nissan to move manufacturing as they sell more cars in the UK than they do for the entire EU combined P.s people were pointing out that without a free trade agreement those components need that were not created in the uk would cost more… including those made in Japan as funny enough, the Japanese and the EU have a FTA
Yes.. it’s good news… but Brexit hindered, not helped!!!
P.s…. Trying to points score…. So petty "The only delay was waiting on tech to progress Brexit was not a problem in England only a problem for small businesses in Northern Ireland betrayed by NO 10. | |||
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""Nissan bosses say impact of Brexit on its UK operations is now negligible. Once a vocal critic of leaving EU, Japanese car giant tells Sunday Times UK would be Nissan’s primary European production centre for “the foreseeable future” and remains its most important market in Europe. Otherwise it would not be making a £2bn upgrade to its Sunderland facilities. State subsidies involved — about 10% — on a par with what’s available in US/EU." A positive about face by Nissan. Wonder why? What is the source of this quote?" A very clever and knowledgeable man. | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong " but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours)" We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland. | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland." and no caveat of no deal ? I will take your word on it. I can't be bothered to go check. | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland." . Was this the same current politicians who told us we would have cheaper shoes , food and clothes ???? | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus. Welcome to the world of business. Whether it's countries or backhanders to 'people with clout', an awful lot of business gets done that way. " But it is tax payers money. Again the tax payer is footing some companies wage bill increasing profits that will leave the country. And as usual this has been spun as a Brexit benefit. To me it would be a benefit if I wasn't paying for it. | |||
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""Nissan bosses say impact of Brexit on its UK operations is now negligible. Once a vocal critic of leaving EU, Japanese car giant tells Sunday Times UK would be Nissan’s primary European production centre for “the foreseeable future” and remains its most important market in Europe. Otherwise it would not be making a £2bn upgrade to its Sunderland facilities. State subsidies involved — about 10% — on a par with what’s available in US/EU." A positive about face by Nissan. Wonder why? What is the source of this quote? A very clever and knowledgeable man. "You know the rules Morely (you are one of the people frequently demanding them). If you cannot name your source and provide a link then it isn’t true and does not count as evidence | |||
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""Nissan bosses say impact of Brexit on its UK operations is now negligible. Once a vocal critic of leaving EU, Japanese car giant tells Sunday Times UK would be Nissan’s primary European production centre for “the foreseeable future” and remains its most important market in Europe. Otherwise it would not be making a £2bn upgrade to its Sunderland facilities. State subsidies involved — about 10% — on a par with what’s available in US/EU." A positive about face by Nissan. Wonder why? What is the source of this quote? A very clever and knowledgeable man.
You know the rules Morely (you are one of the people frequently demanding them). If you cannot name your source and provide a link then it isn’t true and does not count as evidence "It says Sunday Times? Am I missing something. | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus. Welcome to the world of business. Whether it's countries or backhanders to 'people with clout', an awful lot of business gets done that way. But it is tax payers money. Again the tax payer is footing some companies wage bill increasing profits that will leave the country. And as usual this has been spun as a Brexit benefit. To me it would be a benefit if I wasn't paying for it." It's not being spun as a 'bonus', as has already been said: "More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong" | |||
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""Nissan bosses say impact of Brexit on its UK operations is now negligible. Once a vocal critic of leaving EU, Japanese car giant tells Sunday Times UK would be Nissan’s primary European production centre for “the foreseeable future” and remains its most important market in Europe. Otherwise it would not be making a £2bn upgrade to its Sunderland facilities. State subsidies involved — about 10% — on a par with what’s available in US/EU." A positive about face by Nissan. Wonder why? What is the source of this quote? A very clever and knowledgeable man.
You know the rules Morely (you are one of the people frequently demanding them). If you cannot name your source and provide a link then it isn’t true and does not count as evidence
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""Nissan bosses say impact of Brexit on its UK operations is now negligible. Once a vocal critic of leaving EU, Japanese car giant tells Sunday Times UK would be Nissan’s primary European production centre for “the foreseeable future” and remains its most important market in Europe. Otherwise it would not be making a £2bn upgrade to its Sunderland facilities. State subsidies involved — about 10% — on a par with what’s available in US/EU."" "A positive about face by Nissan. Wonder why? What is the source of this quote?" "A very clever and knowledgeable man." "You know the rules Morely (you are one of the people frequently demanding them). If you cannot name your source and provide a link then it isn’t true and does not count as evidence" "It says Sunday Times? Am I missing something. " You are missing something. The quote Morley provided was from Andrew Neil, posting on X. | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus. Welcome to the world of business. Whether it's countries or backhanders to 'people with clout', an awful lot of business gets done that way. But it is tax payers money. Again the tax payer is footing some companies wage bill increasing profits that will leave the country. And as usual this has been spun as a Brexit benefit. To me it would be a benefit if I wasn't paying for it." It's tax payers money that other countries use to do the same or similar things. Much like the vast subsidies the USA are giving to motor manufacturers to produce in their country - it's all from the tax payer. The EU gets it's money from the tax payer and does the same. Only in the UK is it perceived a problem | |||
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""Nissan bosses say impact of Brexit on its UK operations is now negligible. Once a vocal critic of leaving EU, Japanese car giant tells Sunday Times UK would be Nissan’s primary European production centre for “the foreseeable future” and remains its most important market in Europe. Otherwise it would not be making a £2bn upgrade to its Sunderland facilities. State subsidies involved — about 10% — on a par with what’s available in US/EU." A positive about face by Nissan. Wonder why? What is the source of this quote? A very clever and knowledgeable man. You know the rules Morely (you are one of the people frequently demanding them). If you cannot name your source and provide a link then it isn’t true and does not count as evidence It says Sunday Times? Am I missing something. You are missing something. The quote Morley provided was from Andrew Neil, posting on X." Aha! Morley left me breadcrumbs (a very clever man = something I said about AN previously) but I was too sleepy this morning! | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland.. Was this the same current politicians who told us we would have cheaper shoes , food and clothes ????" No different set of politicians. These were the, there will be an instant recession, punishment budgets, country won't be able to cope, the UK will have to beg to rd join, if the UK leaves then Nissan leaves sort of politicians | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland.. Was this the same current politicians who told us we would have cheaper shoes , food and clothes ????" We'd have had the same inflation inside the e.u. | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland.and no caveat of no deal ? I will take your word on it. I can't be bothered to go check. " Nope. No caveat of no deal. | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus. Welcome to the world of business. Whether it's countries or backhanders to 'people with clout', an awful lot of business gets done that way. But it is tax payers money. Again the tax payer is footing some companies wage bill increasing profits that will leave the country. And as usual this has been spun as a Brexit benefit. To me it would be a benefit if I wasn't paying for it." Every country gives subsidies. France and gemrany have given out £10bn to 2 companies for e.v battery building. | |||
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""Nissan bosses say impact of Brexit on its UK operations is now negligible. Once a vocal critic of leaving EU, Japanese car giant tells Sunday Times UK would be Nissan’s primary European production centre for “the foreseeable future” and remains its most important market in Europe. Otherwise it would not be making a £2bn upgrade to its Sunderland facilities. State subsidies involved — about 10% — on a par with what’s available in US/EU." A positive about face by Nissan. Wonder why? What is the source of this quote? A very clever and knowledgeable man.
You know the rules Morely (you are one of the people frequently demanding them). If you cannot name your source and provide a link then it isn’t true and does not count as evidence "You know the person. Youc Allen them clevercand knowledgeable. or have you forgotten who that was? | |||
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""Nissan bosses say impact of Brexit on its UK operations is now negligible. Once a vocal critic of leaving EU, Japanese car giant tells Sunday Times UK would be Nissan’s primary European production centre for “the foreseeable future” and remains its most important market in Europe. Otherwise it would not be making a £2bn upgrade to its Sunderland facilities. State subsidies involved — about 10% — on a par with what’s available in US/EU." A positive about face by Nissan. Wonder why? What is the source of this quote? A very clever and knowledgeable man. You know the rules Morely (you are one of the people frequently demanding them). If you cannot name your source and provide a link then it isn’t true and does not count as evidence It says Sunday Times? Am I missing something. You are missing something. The quote Morley provided was from Andrew Neil, posting on X. Aha! Morley left me breadcrumbs (a very clever man = something I said about AN previously) but I was too sleepy this morning!" I'll give bigger crumbs next time. | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland.. Was this the same current politicians who told us we would have cheaper shoes , food and clothes ???? We'd have had the same inflation inside the e.u." Are "we" ( me , you and all the other tax payers ) paying Nissan more , the same or less than we would be if we were still in The EU | |||
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""Nissan bosses say impact of Brexit on its UK operations is now negligible. Once a vocal critic of leaving EU, Japanese car giant tells Sunday Times UK would be Nissan’s primary European production centre for “the foreseeable future” and remains its most important market in Europe. Otherwise it would not be making a £2bn upgrade to its Sunderland facilities. State subsidies involved — about 10% — on a par with what’s available in US/EU." A positive about face by Nissan. Wonder why? What is the source of this quote? A very clever and knowledgeable man. You know the rules Morely (you are one of the people frequently demanding them). If you cannot name your source and provide a link then it isn’t true and does not count as evidence It says Sunday Times? Am I missing something. You are missing something. The quote Morley provided was from Andrew Neil, posting on X. Aha! Morley left me breadcrumbs (a very clever man = something I said about AN previously) but I was too sleepy this morning! I'll give bigger crumbs next time." I am knocking on a bit these days and the eyesight ain’t what it used to be. Started groaning as I get off the sofa too! Next I will be at the bottom of the stairs and forget if I was going up or was coming down | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus. Welcome to the world of business. Whether it's countries or backhanders to 'people with clout', an awful lot of business gets done that way. But it is tax payers money. Again the tax payer is footing some companies wage bill increasing profits that will leave the country. And as usual this has been spun as a Brexit benefit. To me it would be a benefit if I wasn't paying for it. Every country gives subsidies. France and gemrany have given out £10bn to 2 companies for e.v battery building." This is why or one of the reasons I do not vote, I do not use my vote to bribe companies to stay, if they want to go then go, if they don't like how things are go. bribing them to stay by paying the wage bill and a bit for themselves. and it is ok other countries do it. | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland.. Was this the same current politicians who told us we would have cheaper shoes , food and clothes ???? We'd have had the same inflation inside the e.u. Are "we" ( me , you and all the other tax payers ) paying Nissan more , the same or less than we would be if we were still in The EU " You seem to think that subsidies are bad. You can look at it then other way. You lay less long term because Nissan pays tax on imports. And their uk subsidy pay tax. The increase in employees pay national insurance and tax. They take people out of the dole queue. | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus. Welcome to the world of business. Whether it's countries or backhanders to 'people with clout', an awful lot of business gets done that way. But it is tax payers money. Again the tax payer is footing some companies wage bill increasing profits that will leave the country. And as usual this has been spun as a Brexit benefit. To me it would be a benefit if I wasn't paying for it. Every country gives subsidies. France and gemrany have given out £10bn to 2 companies for e.v battery building. This is why or one of the reasons I do not vote, I do not use my vote to bribe companies to stay, if they want to go then go, if they don't like how things are go. bribing them to stay by paying the wage bill and a bit for themselves. and it is ok other countries do it." So then. You would be quite conservative then? You would build the infrastructure yourself and then sell it off to private firms? | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland.and no caveat of no deal ? I will take your word on it. I can't be bothered to go check. Nope. No caveat of no deal." ive found five mins to have a quick search and lots of articles on nissan and "no deal" brexits. Can you link an example that was uncaveated? | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland.and no caveat of no deal ? I will take your word on it. I can't be bothered to go check. Nope. No caveat of no deal.ive found five mins to have a quick search and lots of articles on nissan and "no deal" brexits. Can you link an example that was uncaveated? " Try sir kerbs on twitter and campbell claret | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland.. Was this the same current politicians who told us we would have cheaper shoes , food and clothes ???? We'd have had the same inflation inside the e.u. Are "we" ( me , you and all the other tax payers ) paying Nissan more , the same or less than we would be if we were still in The EU You seem to think that subsidies are bad. You can look at it then other way. You lay less long term because Nissan pays tax on imports. And their uk subsidy pay tax. The increase in employees pay national insurance and tax. They take people out of the dole queue. " incorrect I do not say that at all , I have said so in an earlier post on this thread If "we" have given a subsidy to a foreign firm for jobs here it may be a Good thing ,(for the points you mention ) it certainly appears good that so many jobs appear safe I was questioning the amount And following on from Brexit are we (A)paying the same as we would to keep Nissan here if we had remained in The EU ? (B) paying more , which would indicate a failure of Brexit ,,? or (C) paying less , which would indicate one of the much sort after Brexit benefits ? | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland.. Was this the same current politicians who told us we would have cheaper shoes , food and clothes ???? We'd have had the same inflation inside the e.u. Are "we" ( me , you and all the other tax payers ) paying Nissan more , the same or less than we would be if we were still in The EU You seem to think that subsidies are bad. You can look at it then other way. You lay less long term because Nissan pays tax on imports. And their uk subsidy pay tax. The increase in employees pay national insurance and tax. They take people out of the dole queue. incorrect I do not say that at all , I have said so in an earlier post on this thread If "we" have given a subsidy to a foreign firm for jobs here it may be a Good thing ,(for the points you mention ) it certainly appears good that so many jobs appear safe I was questioning the amount And following on from Brexit are we (A)paying the same as we would to keep Nissan here if we had remained in The EU ? (B) paying more , which would indicate a failure of Brexit ,,? or (C) paying less , which would indicate one of the much sort after Brexit benefits ? " This would likely be the same. Nissan alteredits strategy to focus om the uk market and icnreas.emarket share here. Given that in the e.u they could have put the factory anywhere and still "exported" to the uk. I imagine the government subsidy would have had to be far greater than any of the 20+ other nations in the e.u While inside the e.u/ eec the uk gave Nissan a subsidy to build its factory in sunderland and then other to maintain it. It received about 800m in subsidies of 1 form or another. Given that Germany and France have each just paid 5bn. I don't see the problem. | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus. Welcome to the world of business. Whether it's countries or backhanders to 'people with clout', an awful lot of business gets done that way. But it is tax payers money. Again the tax payer is footing some companies wage bill increasing profits that will leave the country. And as usual this has been spun as a Brexit benefit. To me it would be a benefit if I wasn't paying for it. Every country gives subsidies. France and gemrany have given out £10bn to 2 companies for e.v battery building. This is why or one of the reasons I do not vote, I do not use my vote to bribe companies to stay, if they want to go then go, if they don't like how things are go. bribing them to stay by paying the wage bill and a bit for themselves. and it is ok other countries do it. So then. You would be quite conservative then? You would build the infrastructure yourself and then sell it off to private firms?" I've no idea of your age, but me that's exactly how I remember it. A company wanted to build something or provide a service they built it, then made a profit off it. I remember subs being offered to car makers, like Honda and such, but at that time unemployment was high. Now it seems to have developed into a political issue as if those jobs were gone it would be another tory mess. So they offer to pay the wage bill, with my cash to keep them here nah that isn't a good thing at all. | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland.. Was this the same current politicians who told us we would have cheaper shoes , food and clothes ???? We'd have had the same inflation inside the e.u. Are "we" ( me , you and all the other tax payers ) paying Nissan more , the same or less than we would be if we were still in The EU You seem to think that subsidies are bad. You can look at it then other way. You lay less long term because Nissan pays tax on imports. And their uk subsidy pay tax. The increase in employees pay national insurance and tax. They take people out of the dole queue. incorrect I do not say that at all , I have said so in an earlier post on this thread If "we" have given a subsidy to a foreign firm for jobs here it may be a Good thing ,(for the points you mention ) it certainly appears good that so many jobs appear safe I was questioning the amount And following on from Brexit are we (A)paying the same as we would to keep Nissan here if we had remained in The EU ? (B) paying more , which would indicate a failure of Brexit ,,? or (C) paying less , which would indicate one of the much sort after Brexit benefits ? This would likely be the same. Nissan alteredits strategy to focus om the uk market and icnreas.emarket share here. Given that in the e.u they could have put the factory anywhere and still "exported" to the uk. I imagine the government subsidy would have had to be far greater than any of the 20+ other nations in the e.u While inside the e.u/ eec the uk gave Nissan a subsidy to build its factory in sunderland and then other to maintain it. It received about 800m in subsidies of 1 form or another. Given that Germany and France have each just paid 5bn. I don't see the problem." so we don't know then How do we know that France have paid 5bn and Germany have paid 5bn but do not know how much The UK have paid ? (PS I am trying to help you out here , there might be a Brexit benefit somewhere lurking ) | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus. Welcome to the world of business. Whether it's countries or backhanders to 'people with clout', an awful lot of business gets done that way. But it is tax payers money. Again the tax payer is footing some companies wage bill increasing profits that will leave the country. And as usual this has been spun as a Brexit benefit. To me it would be a benefit if I wasn't paying for it. Every country gives subsidies. France and gemrany have given out £10bn to 2 companies for e.v battery building. This is why or one of the reasons I do not vote, I do not use my vote to bribe companies to stay, if they want to go then go, if they don't like how things are go. bribing them to stay by paying the wage bill and a bit for themselves. and it is ok other countries do it. So then. You would be quite conservative then? You would build the infrastructure yourself and then sell it off to private firms? I've no idea of your age, but me that's exactly how I remember it. A company wanted to build something or provide a service they built it, then made a profit off it. I remember subs being offered to car makers, like Honda and such, but at that time unemployment was high. Now it seems to have developed into a political issue as if those jobs were gone it would be another tory mess. So they offer to pay the wage bill, with my cash to keep them here nah that isn't a good thing at all." No. I am asking you if you think the UK should build it then sell it. Nissan can choose to build the car where they like. Its for governments tl icnentivise their country as the place of choice for investment. | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland.. Was this the same current politicians who told us we would have cheaper shoes , food and clothes ???? We'd have had the same inflation inside the e.u. Are "we" ( me , you and all the other tax payers ) paying Nissan more , the same or less than we would be if we were still in The EU You seem to think that subsidies are bad. You can look at it then other way. You lay less long term because Nissan pays tax on imports. And their uk subsidy pay tax. The increase in employees pay national insurance and tax. They take people out of the dole queue. incorrect I do not say that at all , I have said so in an earlier post on this thread If "we" have given a subsidy to a foreign firm for jobs here it may be a Good thing ,(for the points you mention ) it certainly appears good that so many jobs appear safe I was questioning the amount And following on from Brexit are we (A)paying the same as we would to keep Nissan here if we had remained in The EU ? (B) paying more , which would indicate a failure of Brexit ,,? or (C) paying less , which would indicate one of the much sort after Brexit benefits ? This would likely be the same. Nissan alteredits strategy to focus om the uk market and icnreas.emarket share here. Given that in the e.u they could have put the factory anywhere and still "exported" to the uk. I imagine the government subsidy would have had to be far greater than any of the 20+ other nations in the e.u While inside the e.u/ eec the uk gave Nissan a subsidy to build its factory in sunderland and then other to maintain it. It received about 800m in subsidies of 1 form or another. Given that Germany and France have each just paid 5bn. I don't see the problem. so we don't know then How do we know that France have paid 5bn and Germany have paid 5bn but do not know how much The UK have paid ? (PS I am trying to help you out here , there might be a Brexit benefit somewhere lurking ) " I dont get how you think you are trying to help me out. But yes. The info is there on the Internet about both subsidies. Both considerably less than the uk offered. i dont need help thank you. I seem to be more clued up on the matter than yourself. | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland.. Was this the same current politicians who told us we would have cheaper shoes , food and clothes ???? We'd have had the same inflation inside the e.u. Are "we" ( me , you and all the other tax payers ) paying Nissan more , the same or less than we would be if we were still in The EU You seem to think that subsidies are bad. You can look at it then other way. You lay less long term because Nissan pays tax on imports. And their uk subsidy pay tax. The increase in employees pay national insurance and tax. They take people out of the dole queue. incorrect I do not say that at all , I have said so in an earlier post on this thread If "we" have given a subsidy to a foreign firm for jobs here it may be a Good thing ,(for the points you mention ) it certainly appears good that so many jobs appear safe I was questioning the amount And following on from Brexit are we (A)paying the same as we would to keep Nissan here if we had remained in The EU ? (B) paying more , which would indicate a failure of Brexit ,,? or (C) paying less , which would indicate one of the much sort after Brexit benefits ? This would likely be the same. Nissan alteredits strategy to focus om the uk market and icnreas.emarket share here. Given that in the e.u they could have put the factory anywhere and still "exported" to the uk. I imagine the government subsidy would have had to be far greater than any of the 20+ other nations in the e.u While inside the e.u/ eec the uk gave Nissan a subsidy to build its factory in sunderland and then other to maintain it. It received about 800m in subsidies of 1 form or another. Given that Germany and France have each just paid 5bn. I don't see the problem. so we don't know then How do we know that France have paid 5bn and Germany have paid 5bn but do not know how much The UK have paid ? (PS I am trying to help you out here , there might be a Brexit benefit somewhere lurking ) I dont get how you think you are trying to help me out. But yes. The info is there on the Internet about both subsidies. Both considerably less than the uk offered. i dont need help thank you. I seem to be more clued up on the matter than yourself." I appreciate that , just thought it may he a Brexit bonus for you , but alas no , | |||
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"Is it just me or does this feel like like both sides are arguing about a game that is 0-0 after five minutes. Nothing has happened. Cheering not conceding is strange. But stepping back, how much of this is as a result of having a sensible FTA etc with the EU. As irrc most of the warnings were around no deal. Which to some is BINO/not the brexit I voted for/not hard enough. More a case of the negativity of one side being highlighted as wrong but wasn't it about no deal brexit? My memory is hazy. Imo both sides are crowing when nothing has gone on Remain: if you play without a keeper you will concede loads Leave: project fear Leave: plays goalkeeper Leave: see, we've not conceded. (I may be miss remembering alot of this. The trouble is no one knew what leave looked like and so there were arguments against all flavours) We were told by certain ex politicians and other current politicians if we voted brexit Nissan would leave Sunderland.. Was this the same current politicians who told us we would have cheaper shoes , food and clothes ???? We'd have had the same inflation inside the e.u. Are "we" ( me , you and all the other tax payers ) paying Nissan more , the same or less than we would be if we were still in The EU You seem to think that subsidies are bad. You can look at it then other way. You lay less long term because Nissan pays tax on imports. And their uk subsidy pay tax. The increase in employees pay national insurance and tax. They take people out of the dole queue. incorrect I do not say that at all , I have said so in an earlier post on this thread If "we" have given a subsidy to a foreign firm for jobs here it may be a Good thing ,(for the points you mention ) it certainly appears good that so many jobs appear safe I was questioning the amount And following on from Brexit are we (A)paying the same as we would to keep Nissan here if we had remained in The EU ? (B) paying more , which would indicate a failure of Brexit ,,? or (C) paying less , which would indicate one of the much sort after Brexit benefits ? This would likely be the same. Nissan alteredits strategy to focus om the uk market and icnreas.emarket share here. Given that in the e.u they could have put the factory anywhere and still "exported" to the uk. I imagine the government subsidy would have had to be far greater than any of the 20+ other nations in the e.u While inside the e.u/ eec the uk gave Nissan a subsidy to build its factory in sunderland and then other to maintain it. It received about 800m in subsidies of 1 form or another. Given that Germany and France have each just paid 5bn. I don't see the problem. so we don't know then How do we know that France have paid 5bn and Germany have paid 5bn but do not know how much The UK have paid ? (PS I am trying to help you out here , there might be a Brexit benefit somewhere lurking ) I dont get how you think you are trying to help me out. But yes. The info is there on the Internet about both subsidies. Both considerably less than the uk offered. i dont need help thank you. I seem to be more clued up on the matter than yourself. I appreciate that , just thought it may he a Brexit bonus for you , but alas no , " Who said it was a brexot bonus? I can only summarise that. In the e.u the uk gave subsidies to nissan along with many other industries. 2 countries inside the e.u now. Are giving e.v battery makers 5bn in subsidies. Which far exceeds to subsidy offered to Nissan at its plant. | |||
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"We were told Nissan would leave if we brexited. " By whom? " The simple fact is. They haven't. Infact , they have doubled down and changed strategy and gone to take a much larger share of the UK domestic market. " Is Nissan's market share a good thing for Britain? " Would this have happened in the e.u? No. " If Nissan were located in the EU, they wouldn't have increased their market share in the UK? " Their own ceo if IIRC said that they changed strategy based on brexit." | |||
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"We were told Nissan would leave if we brexited. By whom? The simple fact is. They haven't. Infact , they have doubled down and changed strategy and gone to take a much larger share of the UK domestic market. Is Nissan's market share a good thing for Britain? Would this have happened in the e.u? No. If Nissan were located in the EU, they wouldn't have increased their market share in the UK? Their own ceo if IIRC said that they changed strategy based on brexit. " by whom? I have mentioned 2 people in the thread. Nissan want a bigger market share kf the uk domestic vehicles sold. Which likely means larger productions nd cutting costs on sales and more ev vehicles on the uk roads. How do you think this won't be positive I am.keen to hear. No Nissan wouldn't have altered their strategy to increase uk domestic share. https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/nissan-could-use-brexit-increase-uk-market-share-paper-says | |||
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"We were told Nissan would leave if we brexited. By whom? The simple fact is. They haven't. Infact , they have doubled down and changed strategy and gone to take a much larger share of the UK domestic market. Is Nissan's market share a good thing for Britain? Would this have happened in the e.u? No. If Nissan were located in the EU, they wouldn't have increased their market share in the UK? Their own ceo if IIRC said that they changed strategy based on brexit. by whom? I have mentioned 2 people in the thread." Fair enough, I'll read what you wrote after. " Nissan want a bigger market share kf the uk domestic vehicles sold. Which likely means larger productions nd cutting costs on sales and more ev vehicles on the uk roads. How do you think this won't be positive I am.keen to hear. " I have zero opinion on which car manufactures have the largest share in the market. Neither positive or negative. " No Nissan wouldn't have altered their strategy to increase uk domestic share. https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/nissan-could-use-brexit-increase-uk-market-share-paper-says " | |||
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"JTN you appear to have neglected to comment on the last point.... I have no comment regarding your comment about my lack of comment on the other person's comment. "Yet you had to comment | |||
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"A Brexit bonus is bribing a car company to stay in the UK, or we could be paying to offset the higher charges companies now have to pay due to having to import into the EU. But if it keeps people employed it has to be good, as long as we pay. Good bonus." It's roughly in par with UE / US subsidis... | |||
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"The denials will fly in, but some people would have been delighted if Nissan had upped sticks just so they could score some points" Sadly I think you may be correct Although I suspect greatly outnumbered by those who gave no thought to our economy when voting for Brexit | |||
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"The denials will fly in, but some people would have been delighted if Nissan had upped sticks just so they could score some points Sadly I think you may be correct Although I suspect greatly outnumbered by those who gave no thought to our economy when voting for Brexit " Hmmm. France just revised their gdp down 0.2% They're now below uk. | |||
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"The denials will fly in, but some people would have been delighted if Nissan had upped sticks just so they could score some points Sadly I think you may be correct Although I suspect greatly outnumbered by those who gave no thought to our economy when voting for Brexit Hmmm. France just revised their gdp down 0.2% They're now below uk." . hmmmmm like I said I suspect a great many who voted Brexit did so with no thought of our economy but well done on finding Brexit benefit number 2 ,(French GDP down 0.2%) , following on from the blue passports | |||
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"The denials will fly in, but some people would have been delighted if Nissan had upped sticks just so they could score some points Sadly I think you may be correct Although I suspect greatly outnumbered by those who gave no thought to our economy when voting for Brexit. Og there are a lot more I've listed them on here before. Gdp also above Germany. But apparently brexit affected our ability to grow and trade. Sure doesn't look like it. Hmmm. France just revised their gdp down 0.2% They're now below uk.. hmmmmm like I said I suspect a great many who voted Brexit did so with no thought of our economy but well done on finding Brexit benefit number 2 ,(French GDP down 0.2%) , following on from the blue passports " | |||
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