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"What seems to be blowing people’s minds is that both sides are doing bad things. The usual “football team” mentality doesn’t apply. Both sides are in the wrong. I can’t pick a team in this one. " What are the innocent children of palastine doing wrong ? | |||
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"Current the US has stated no war crimes have been committed " Oh must be true then | |||
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"Current the US has stated no war crimes have been committed Oh must be true then " Well, it certainly puts into question what’s going on The United Nations gives the following definition: Intentional murder of innocent people; Torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments; Willfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health; Compelling a prisoner of war or other protected person to serve in the forces of hostile power; Use by children under the age of fifteen years into armed forces or groups or using them to participate actively in hostilities; Intentionally directing attack against the civilian population as not taking direct part in hostilities; Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly; Destroying or seizing the property of an adversary unless demanded by necessities of the conflict; Using poison or poisoned weapons; Intentionally directing attack against building dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals as long as it's not used as military infrastructure; Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial; Attacking or bombarding towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives; Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement; Taking of hostages. Intentional assault with the knowledge that such an assault would result in loss of life or casualty to civilians or damage to civilian objects or extensive, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment that would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct. | |||
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"So iver the last few weeks we have seen every journalist/ news reader start debate with the sentence “do you condemn hamas”? We all have our eyes open we can all see what’s been going on. my question plane and simple Do you condemn Isreal for war crimes on innocent civilians? Let’s not play the collateral damage card if I your going to play the human shield card can I ask Should Isreal bomb its own schools and hospitals if Hamas was hiding below them ? " Well when Hamas was in Israel not to long back they massacred most of who they came into contact with, women and children included? So they wouldn’t have much time to have targeted strikes on a school or hospital. They’d send in ground troops, accept a percentage of loss of life and rescue and save as many as possible. And wiping out Terrorists murderers at the same time. The question asked is dumb, and Hamas do hide behind their civilian population. It’s s known tactic of all terrorist organisations to fight like cowards. Hezbolha, Hamas, alqueda, the taliban , ISIS,and the IRA. The question to you is do you support Hamas as a political movement or a terrorist group? And do you condone there actions? Are you supporting Hamas as the underdog in this fight or are you supporting them to have a self supporting government? If you do support them how do you think this should be resolved? Should Hamas and Israel both sit down and talk as adults, but should Hamas and their supporting Arab council backers stop the porn talking of the destruction of the Israelites as a population? I think there should be a stop to the hostilities now. And that proper dialogue be put into place. It needs to be lead by non religious groups who want peace and to live together without violence. | |||
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"It's IsrAEl by the way. Not Is rEAl. Probably move to politics forum rather than the lounge." Thanks | |||
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"Isreal have pushed them too far But burning babys while abusing the mother whos watching her baby cook. Thats barbarians Have a look outside mainstream media none of the surrounding countrys are willing to take Palestinians. The reasons are there is you research " Sorry this has been proven false Any burning of Israelis was caused by the hell fire rockets of an Israeli war chopper. | |||
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"So iver the last few weeks we have seen every journalist/ news reader start debate with the sentence “do you condemn hamas”? We all have our eyes open we can all see what’s been going on. my question plane and simple Do you condemn Isreal for war crimes on innocent civilians? Let’s not play the collateral damage card if I your going to play the human shield card can I ask Should Isreal bomb its own schools and hospitals if Hamas was hiding below them ? Well when Hamas was in Israel not to long back they massacred most of who they came into contact with, women and children included? So they wouldn’t have much time to have targeted strikes on a school or hospital. They’d send in ground troops, accept a percentage of loss of life and rescue and save as many as possible. And wiping out Terrorists murderers at the same time. The question asked is dumb, and Hamas do hide behind their civilian population. It’s s known tactic of all terrorist organisations to fight like cowards. Hezbolha, Hamas, alqueda, the taliban , ISIS,and the IRA. The question to you is do you support Hamas as a political movement or a terrorist group? And do you condone there actions? Are you supporting Hamas as the underdog in this fight or are you supporting them to have a self supporting government? If you do support them how do you think this should be resolved? Should Hamas and Israel both sit down and talk as adults, but should Hamas and their supporting Arab council backers stop the porn talking of the destruction of the Israelites as a population? I think there should be a stop to the hostilities now. And that proper dialogue be put into place. It needs to be lead by non religious groups who want peace and to live together without violence. " I don’t support Hamas as either , they was founded by Israeli government. Palestine really do need a legitimate art to protect them | |||
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"So iver the last few weeks we have seen every journalist/ news reader start debate with the sentence “do you condemn hamas”? We all have our eyes open we can all see what’s been going on. my question plane and simple Do you condemn Isreal for war crimes on innocent civilians? Let’s not play the collateral damage card if I your going to play the human shield card can I ask Should Isreal bomb its own schools and hospitals if Hamas was hiding below them ? Well when Hamas was in Israel not to long back they massacred most of who they came into contact with, women and children included? So they wouldn’t have much time to have targeted strikes on a school or hospital. They’d send in ground troops, accept a percentage of loss of life and rescue and save as many as possible. And wiping out Terrorists murderers at the same time. The question asked is dumb, and Hamas do hide behind their civilian population. It’s s known tactic of all terrorist organisations to fight like cowards. Hezbolha, Hamas, alqueda, the taliban , ISIS,and the IRA. The question to you is do you support Hamas as a political movement or a terrorist group? And do you condone there actions? Are you supporting Hamas as the underdog in this fight or are you supporting them to have a self supporting government? If you do support them how do you think this should be resolved? Should Hamas and Israel both sit down and talk as adults, but should Hamas and their supporting Arab council backers stop the porn talking of the destruction of the Israelites as a population? I think there should be a stop to the hostilities now. And that proper dialogue be put into place. It needs to be lead by non religious groups who want peace and to live together without violence. " But should Isreal be held accountable for its crimes ? | |||
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"Isreal have pushed them too far But burning babys while abusing the mother whos watching her baby cook. Thats barbarians Have a look outside mainstream media none of the surrounding countrys are willing to take Palestinians. The reasons are there is you research Sorry this has been proven false Any burning of Israelis was caused by the hell fire rockets of an Israeli war chopper. " Fair play just had a look there. Some say false but still some say true. I dont want to come across as a conspiracy nut but ive seen videos saying usa has caused this to build a canal through gazza to save using the Suez Canal . Not saying i belive it but america has been the cause of most wars over the last 20 odd year. Its big business for them | |||
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"Isreal have pushed them too far But burning babys while abusing the mother whos watching her baby cook. Thats barbarians Have a look outside mainstream media none of the surrounding countrys are willing to take Palestinians. The reasons are there is you research " Cooking babies? I think you need to do your own research as those claims have not been verified. And israel doesn't want independent verification as its happy to let people believe its true. Furthermore, why should other countries take them. Are you suggesting Palestinians leave what was Palestinian territory? That's ethnic cleansing in case you weren't aware. | |||
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"So iver the last few weeks we have seen every journalist/ news reader start debate with the sentence “do you condemn hamas”? We all have our eyes open we can all see what’s been going on. my question plane and simple Do you condemn Isreal for war crimes on innocent civilians? Let’s not play the collateral damage card if I your going to play the human shield card can I ask Should Isreal bomb its own schools and hospitals if Hamas was hiding below them ? Well when Hamas was in Israel not to long back they massacred most of who they came into contact with, women and children included? So they wouldn’t have much time to have targeted strikes on a school or hospital. They’d send in ground troops, accept a percentage of loss of life and rescue and save as many as possible. And wiping out Terrorists murderers at the same time. The question asked is dumb, and Hamas do hide behind their civilian population. It’s s known tactic of all terrorist organisations to fight like cowards. Hezbolha, Hamas, alqueda, the taliban , ISIS,and the IRA. The question to you is do you support Hamas as a political movement or a terrorist group? And do you condone there actions? Are you supporting Hamas as the underdog in this fight or are you supporting them to have a self supporting government? If you do support them how do you think this should be resolved? Should Hamas and Israel both sit down and talk as adults, but should Hamas and their supporting Arab council backers stop the porn talking of the destruction of the Israelites as a population? I think there should be a stop to the hostilities now. And that proper dialogue be put into place. It needs to be lead by non religious groups who want peace and to live together without violence. But should Isreal be held accountable for its crimes ? " Absloutly | |||
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"Anyone who thinks that both sides aren’t doing completely disgusting things needs to take a long hard look at themselves. " This! | |||
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"Isreal have pushed them too far But burning babys while abusing the mother whos watching her baby cook. Thats barbarians Have a look outside mainstream media none of the surrounding countrys are willing to take Palestinians. The reasons are there is you research Cooking babies? I think you need to do your own research as those claims have not been verified. And israel doesn't want independent verification as its happy to let people believe its true. Furthermore, why should other countries take them. Are you suggesting Palestinians leave what was Palestinian territory? That's ethnic cleansing in case you weren't aware. " Not suggesting they leave but thoes who dont want to be part of tbis will want to relocate untill its over | |||
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"Isreal have pushed them too far But burning babys while abusing the mother whos watching her baby cook. Thats barbarians Have a look outside mainstream media none of the surrounding countrys are willing to take Palestinians. The reasons are there is you research Sorry this has been proven false Any burning of Israelis was caused by the hell fire rockets of an Israeli war chopper. Fair play just had a look there. Some say false but still some say true. I dont want to come across as a conspiracy nut but ive seen videos saying usa has caused this to build a canal through gazza to save using the Suez Canal . Not saying i belive it but america has been the cause of most wars over the last 20 odd year. Its big business for them" Looking at a map is a good way of ruling that conspiracy theory out. | |||
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"Isreal have pushed them too far But burning babys while abusing the mother whos watching her baby cook. Thats barbarians Have a look outside mainstream media none of the surrounding countrys are willing to take Palestinians. The reasons are there is you research Sorry this has been proven false Any burning of Israelis was caused by the hell fire rockets of an Israeli war chopper. Fair play just had a look there. Some say false but still some say true. I dont want to come across as a conspiracy nut but ive seen videos saying usa has caused this to build a canal through gazza to save using the Suez Canal . Not saying i belive it but america has been the cause of most wars over the last 20 odd year. Its big business for them Looking at a map is a good way of ruling that conspiracy theory out." 
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"Until there is a 2 state solution there will always be atrocities committed by both sides. PS. There won't be a 2 state solution anytime soon. Certainly not whilst there is air in the Hamas lungs." So, after 70 years of occupation, you’re putting the blame solely on Hamas what about before hamas | |||
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"Until there is a 2 state solution there will always be atrocities committed by both sides. PS. There won't be a 2 state solution anytime soon. Certainly not whilst there is air in the Hamas lungs. So, after 70 years of occupation, you’re putting the blame solely on Hamas what about before hamas" Read my text above. Then again. | |||
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"Isreal have pushed them too far But burning babys while abusing the mother whos watching her baby cook. Thats barbarians Have a look outside mainstream media none of the surrounding countrys are willing to take Palestinians. The reasons are there is you research Sorry this has been proven false Any burning of Israelis was caused by the hell fire rockets of an Israeli war chopper. Fair play just had a look there. Some say false but still some say true. I dont want to come across as a conspiracy nut but ive seen videos saying usa has caused this to build a canal through gazza to save using the Suez Canal . Not saying i belive it but america has been the cause of most wars over the last 20 odd year. Its big business for them Looking at a map is a good way of ruling that conspiracy theory out.
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"So iver the last few weeks we have seen every journalist/ news reader start debate with the sentence “do you condemn hamas”? We all have our eyes open we can all see what’s been going on. my question plane and simple Do you condemn Isreal for war crimes on innocent civilians? Let’s not play the collateral damage card if I your going to play the human shield card can I ask Should Isreal bomb its own schools and hospitals if Hamas was hiding below them ? Well when Hamas was in Israel not to long back they massacred most of who they came into contact with, women and children included? So they wouldn’t have much time to have targeted strikes on a school or hospital. They’d send in ground troops, accept a percentage of loss of life and rescue and save as many as possible. And wiping out Terrorists murderers at the same time. The question asked is dumb, and Hamas do hide behind their civilian population. It’s s known tactic of all terrorist organisations to fight like cowards. Hezbolha, Hamas, alqueda, the taliban , ISIS,and the IRA. The question to you is do you support Hamas as a political movement or a terrorist group? And do you condone there actions? Are you supporting Hamas as the underdog in this fight or are you supporting them to have a self supporting government? If you do support them how do you think this should be resolved? Should Hamas and Israel both sit down and talk as adults, but should Hamas and their supporting Arab council backers stop the porn talking of the destruction of the Israelites as a population? I think there should be a stop to the hostilities now. And that proper dialogue be put into place. It needs to be lead by non religious groups who want peace and to live together without violence. But should Isreal be held accountable for its crimes ? " Yes along with both sides… I’ve not said either are free from crimes, | |||
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"Isreal have pushed them too far But burning babys while abusing the mother whos watching her baby cook. Thats barbarians Have a look outside mainstream media none of the surrounding countrys are willing to take Palestinians. The reasons are there is you research Cooking babies? I think you need to do your own research as those claims have not been verified. And israel doesn't want independent verification as its happy to let people believe its true. Furthermore, why should other countries take them. Are you suggesting Palestinians leave what was Palestinian territory? That's ethnic cleansing in case you weren't aware. " You’re absolutely spot-on, it’s good to see somebody has some Logic | |||
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"Isreal have pushed them too far But burning babys while abusing the mother whos watching her baby cook. Thats barbarians Have a look outside mainstream media none of the surrounding countrys are willing to take Palestinians. The reasons are there is you research Sorry this has been proven false Any burning of Israelis was caused by the hell fire rockets of an Israeli war chopper. Fair play just had a look there. Some say false but still some say true. I dont want to come across as a conspiracy nut but ive seen videos saying usa has caused this to build a canal through gazza to save using the Suez Canal . Not saying i belive it but america has been the cause of most wars over the last 20 odd year. Its big business for them Looking at a map is a good way of ruling that conspiracy theory out." As i said im not saying i belive it but i did look at the map and it rules out nothing Goodle The Israeli Ben Gurion Canal) | |||
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"Until there is a 2 state solution there will always be atrocities committed by both sides. PS. There won't be a 2 state solution anytime soon. Certainly not whilst there is air in the Hamas lungs. So, after 70 years of occupation, you’re putting the blame solely on Hamas what about before hamas" Before CIRA There was PIRA Before PIRA there was the IRA Before the IRA there was the Fenian movement It all goes back to the start of any conflict or political/religious divide. Before HAMAS there was the Muslim brotherhood out of Egypt | |||
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"So iver the last few weeks we have seen every journalist/ news reader start debate with the sentence “do you condemn hamas”? We all have our eyes open we can all see what’s been going on. my question plane and simple Do you condemn Isreal for war crimes on innocent civilians? Let’s not play the collateral damage card if I your going to play the human shield card can I ask Should Isreal bomb its own schools and hospitals if Hamas was hiding below them ? Well when Hamas was in Israel not to long back they massacred most of who they came into contact with, women and children included? So they wouldn’t have much time to have targeted strikes on a school or hospital. They’d send in ground troops, accept a percentage of loss of life and rescue and save as many as possible. And wiping out Terrorists murderers at the same time. The question asked is dumb, and Hamas do hide behind their civilian population. It’s s known tactic of all terrorist organisations to fight like cowards. Hezbolha, Hamas, alqueda, the taliban , ISIS,and the IRA. The question to you is do you support Hamas as a political movement or a terrorist group? And do you condone there actions? Are you supporting Hamas as the underdog in this fight or are you supporting them to have a self supporting government? If you do support them how do you think this should be resolved? Should Hamas and Israel both sit down and talk as adults, but should Hamas and their supporting Arab council backers stop the porn talking of the destruction of the Israelites as a population? I think there should be a stop to the hostilities now. And that proper dialogue be put into place. It needs to be lead by non religious groups who want peace and to live together without violence. I don’t support Hamas as either , they was founded by Israeli government. Palestine really do need a legitimate art to protect them " They were founded in origin in Egypt | |||
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"Why do people even need an opinion unless they are gonna do anything? Most people with an opinion couldn’t even find Gaza on map of the world Just ask yourself, if your home is invaded, demolished by bulldozers , ,if your land was occupied by foreigners , if your families land was taken and they were squeezed into what is effectively the most populated area of the world, under an apartheid system and dehumanised. Would you fight back? " Nail on the head right there , well said mate | |||
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"Why do people even need an opinion unless they are gonna do anything? Most people with an opinion couldn’t even find Gaza on map of the world Just ask yourself, if your home is invaded, demolished by bulldozers , ,if your land was occupied by foreigners , if your families land was taken and they were squeezed into what is effectively the most populated area of the world, under an apartheid system and dehumanised. Would you fight back? " And your Opinion is valid? But others aren’t What about multiple rocket attacks into Israel targeting civilian populations, what about reiterates attacks from governments backing Hamas and supplying weapons, Should Isreal not defend its population also Your opinion differs but you still choose to voice it. I can find Gaza as I’ve worked there Have you been | |||
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"Why do people even need an opinion unless they are gonna do anything? Most people with an opinion couldn’t even find Gaza on map of the world Just ask yourself, if your home is invaded, demolished by bulldozers , ,if your land was occupied by foreigners , if your families land was taken and they were squeezed into what is effectively the most populated area of the world, under an apartheid system and dehumanised. Would you fight back? And your Opinion is valid? But others aren’t What about multiple rocket attacks into Israel targeting civilian populations, what about reiterates attacks from governments backing Hamas and supplying weapons, Should Isreal not defend its population also Your opinion differs but you still choose to voice it. I can find Gaza as I’ve worked there Have you been " Everything you said is true but you hit the names Isreal and Gaza mixed up | |||
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"Isreal have pushed them too far But burning babys while abusing the mother whos watching her baby cook. Thats barbarians Have a look outside mainstream media none of the surrounding countrys are willing to take Palestinians. The reasons are there is you research Sorry this has been proven false Any burning of Israelis was caused by the hell fire rockets of an Israeli war chopper. Fair play just had a look there. Some say false but still some say true. I dont want to come across as a conspiracy nut but ive seen videos saying usa has caused this to build a canal through gazza to save using the Suez Canal . Not saying i belive it but america has been the cause of most wars over the last 20 odd year. Its big business for them Looking at a map is a good way of ruling that conspiracy theory out.
I have also seen this in regards to the canal. It wouldn’t surprise me"Then you Sir should possibly give your head a wobble and take less note of conspiracy bollocks on the web.. | |||
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"And still the question do condemn Isreali war crimes is nit answered I condemn them . " The question is whether they’ve been committed Hamas use the age old terrorust tactic of using civilians as shields. They dig tunnels under schools and hospitals, store weapons and have operation rooms in civilian places. All these things make them a military target and as long a proportional force is used, it’s not a war crime to strike military targets | |||
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"Why do people even need an opinion unless they are gonna do anything? Most people with an opinion couldn’t even find Gaza on map of the world Just ask yourself, if your home is invaded, demolished by bulldozers , ,if your land was occupied by foreigners , if your families land was taken and they were squeezed into what is effectively the most populated area of the world, under an apartheid system and dehumanised. Would you fight back? And your Opinion is valid? But others aren’t What about multiple rocket attacks into Israel targeting civilian populations, what about reiterates attacks from governments backing Hamas and supplying weapons, Should Isreal not defend its population also Your opinion differs but you still choose to voice it. I can find Gaza as I’ve worked there Have you been Everything you said is true but you hit the names Isreal and Gaza mixed up " Have I? Where? and my opinion on what’s happening is that both sides are at fault The difference between you and me is I’m not having a one sided debate. | |||
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"Why do people even need an opinion unless they are gonna do anything? Most people with an opinion couldn’t even find Gaza on map of the world Just ask yourself, if your home is invaded, demolished by bulldozers , ,if your land was occupied by foreigners , if your families land was taken and they were squeezed into what is effectively the most populated area of the world, under an apartheid system and dehumanised. Would you fight back? And your Opinion is valid? But others aren’t What about multiple rocket attacks into Israel targeting civilian populations, what about reiterates attacks from governments backing Hamas and supplying weapons, Should Isreal not defend its population also Your opinion differs but you still choose to voice it. I can find Gaza as I’ve worked there Have you been Everything you said is true but you hit the names Isreal and Gaza mixed up Have I? Where? and my opinion on what’s happening is that both sides are at fault The difference between you and me is I’m not having a one sided debate. " ...and you can spell and come across as fairly intelligent. | |||
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"And still the question do condemn Isreali war crimes is nit answered I condemn them . " You read what bits you choose, I’ve said yes if war crimes have Bern proven then yes they should be held accountable I asked you do you condone the terrorist actions by Hamas you chose to ignore that | |||
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"Why do people even need an opinion unless they are gonna do anything? Most people with an opinion couldn’t even find Gaza on map of the world Just ask yourself, if your home is invaded, demolished by bulldozers , ,if your land was occupied by foreigners , if your families land was taken and they were squeezed into what is effectively the most populated area of the world, under an apartheid system and dehumanised. Would you fight back? And your Opinion is valid? But others aren’t What about multiple rocket attacks into Israel targeting civilian populations, what about reiterates attacks from governments backing Hamas and supplying weapons, Should Isreal not defend its population also Your opinion differs but you still choose to voice it. I can find Gaza as I’ve worked there Have you been Everything you said is true but you hit the names Isreal and Gaza mixed up Have I? Where? and my opinion on what’s happening is that both sides are at fault The difference between you and me is I’m not having a one sided debate. ...and you can spell and come across as fairly intelligent." I just dislike one sided debates, had this been a pro Israel one I’d have put reasoned questions back at the OP But he has no knowledge of Israel just what he can Google. And the doesn’t want to answer questions that go against his arguments. | |||
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"And still the question do condemn Isreali war crimes is nit answered I condemn them . " There's a good article on the BBC about how the Israeli intelligence services contacted a Dentist to get him to evacuate 24 blocks of flats near the university, they said to him we will wait till they are empty which they did.. so whilst I condemn collective punishment in cutting water etc and the actions in the west Bank which are ethnic cleansing I take note of actions like this.. I condemn Hamas for their actions on the 7th .. This is all just one sad and sorry chapter in an ongoing story which there seems no end and innocents on all sides as always when bigger powers play geo politics are paying the intimate price.. | |||
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"Anyone who thinks that both sides aren’t doing completely disgusting things needs to take a long hard look at themselves. " This is it really. Sadly some people seem to think it's wrong to kill some kids, and okay to kill some others kid if some arbitrary conditions are met. Such as someone from Hamas possibly being near by when they're killed. | |||
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"And still the question do condemn Isreali war crimes is nit answered I condemn them . The question is whether they’ve been committed Hamas use the age old terrorust tactic of using civilians as shields. They dig tunnels under schools and hospitals, store weapons and have operation rooms in civilian places. All these things make them a military target and as long a proportional force is used, it’s not a war crime to strike military targets " You can’t give civilians that answer mate as they have no understanding of the Geneva war conventions and rules of war. Or how it’s legitimised. | |||
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"And still the question do condemn Isreali war crimes is nit answered I condemn them . There's a good article on the BBC about how the Israeli intelligence services contacted a Dentist to get him to evacuate 24 blocks of flats near the university, they said to him we will wait till they are empty which they did.. so whilst I condemn collective punishment in cutting water etc and the actions in the west Bank which are ethnic cleansing I take note of actions like this.. I condemn Hamas for their actions on the 7th .. This is all just one sad and sorry chapter in an ongoing story which there seems no end and innocents on all sides as always when bigger powers play geo politics are paying the intimate price.." Read that the other day. Fascinating. But then if you watch 'Fauda' on Netflix nothing really surprises me. | |||
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"Fuck them both for what they are doing it’s as simple as that. " Not really simple though is it, that’s just saying not my problem! Is that condoning the loss of innocent life on both sides? Or just a stupid remark from someone that has no clue, no input but needed to be heard  | |||
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"And still the question do condemn Isreali war crimes is nit answered I condemn them . The question is whether they’ve been committed Hamas use the age old terrorust tactic of using civilians as shields. They dig tunnels under schools and hospitals, store weapons and have operation rooms in civilian places. All these things make them a military target and as long a proportional force is used, it’s not a war crime to strike military targets You can’t give civilians that answer mate as they have no understanding of the Geneva war conventions and rules of war. Or how it’s legitimised. " Ultimately Hamas is the biggest safety issue in the area, for everyone If your Jewish or Israelis they attack you If your Palestinian they’ll tell you to shelter where they need a human shield in hopes it’ll stop them being attacked Israel is carpeting the place in leaflets telling people to evacuate Hamas is saying they’re lying and to stay, often with force because they know they wouldn’t stand a chance without their human shields Bad things are happening on both sides, but I’m convinced only 1 side is truly evil, and that’s Hamas People talk about Palestinian refugees, don’t forget that Tel Aviv is the original refugee camp for the Jews when every surrounding country in that area forcibly kicked them out. There’s a reason antisemitism is on the rise around the world from certain demographics and it’s not because Israel are the only bad guys in that region | |||
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"Fuck them both for what they are doing it’s as simple as that. " That surprises me coming from you? Your not usually one to react like that as you come across as empathic to the situation, frustrated ? | |||
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"And still the question do condemn Isreali war crimes is nit answered I condemn them . The question is whether they’ve been committed Hamas use the age old terrorust tactic of using civilians as shields. They dig tunnels under schools and hospitals, store weapons and have operation rooms in civilian places. All these things make them a military target and as long a proportional force is used, it’s not a war crime to strike military targets You can’t give civilians that answer mate as they have no understanding of the Geneva war conventions and rules of war. Or how it’s legitimised. Ultimately Hamas is the biggest safety issue in the area, for everyone If your Jewish or Israelis they attack you If your Palestinian they’ll tell you to shelter where they need a human shield in hopes it’ll stop them being attacked Israel is carpeting the place in leaflets telling people to evacuate Hamas is saying they’re lying and to stay, often with force because they know they wouldn’t stand a chance without their human shields Bad things are happening on both sides, but I’m convinced only 1 side is truly evil, and that’s Hamas People talk about Palestinian refugees, don’t forget that Tel Aviv is the original refugee camp for the Jews when every surrounding country in that area forcibly kicked them out. There’s a reason antisemitism is on the rise around the world from certain demographics and it’s not because Israel are the only bad guys in that region " You’re definitely right mate, people are so quick to move onto the next story they forget history, and don’t accept fact, Most of the time they’re sharing heap from google or twister that isn’t true but shared so many times that they feel the need to jump on the band wagon | |||
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"Fuck them both for what they are doing it’s as simple as that. That surprises me coming from you? Your not usually one to react like that as you come across as empathic to the situation, frustrated ?" I have said my piece many times on this I can’t bear to see innocents suffer. Saw a clip of a child post air strike and it broke me a little. The barbarism that Hamas did cannot be countered by the same barbarity. | |||
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"Fuck them both for what they are doing it’s as simple as that. Not really simple though is it, that’s just saying not my problem! Is that condoning the loss of innocent life on both sides? Or just a stupid remark from someone that has no clue, no input but needed to be heard "Wrong. | |||
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"Fuck them both for what they are doing it’s as simple as that. " Agree. Both sides are as bad as each other, intransigent, belligerent and full of hate. They kill in the name of their God and consider themselves 'chosen'. Now they are sowing the seeds for another generation of strife. | |||
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"Fuck them both for what they are doing it’s as simple as that. That surprises me coming from you? Your not usually one to react like that as you come across as empathic to the situation, frustrated ? I have said my piece many times on this I can’t bear to see innocents suffer. Saw a clip of a child post air strike and it broke me a little. The barbarism that Hamas did cannot be countered by the same barbarity. " Fully agree and totally understand mate, take it easy.. | |||
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"my question plane and simple Do you condemn Isreal for war crimes on innocent civilians? " No. "Let’s not play the collateral damage card if I your going to play the human shield card can I ask Should Isreal bomb its own schools and hospitals if Hamas was hiding below them ? " The level of ignorance on this generally is astounding, beginning with trying to start a serious discussion about a country in the Middle East, without being able to spell it. It's poor form to comment on spelling and grammar, especially in a non-editable forum, but come on, really. If you remove collateral damage from the equation, them almost every army in the world is guilty of war crimes. If Israel wanted to, they COULD bomb their own schools/hospitals if Hamas were underneath them and it would not be a war crime. Whether they WOULD or not is another question. States tend to distinguish between their own, neutral others, and enemies. You are welcome to find this immoral and reprehensible. That is in and of itself a worthy topic of debate. Is it possible that Israel had committed war crimes? Absolutely yes. Do we know that at this time? Absolutely no. Will people from both sides misuse the terms "war crime" and "genocide"? Probably. You clearly do not understand: (a) the actual legal definition of "war crime" (b) the purpose of defining and enforcing against war crimes (c) the importance of *intent* behind war crimes That's pretty usual for a regular British citizen, but then you start a thread about war crimes. Here's a tip: Hate Israel. Disagree with and condemn their methods, such as invasion, cutting off water, electricity, etc. Call them mad, evil etc. Protest against Benjamin Netanyahu (half his country hates him). Just be prepared to defend those positions. If you want to, you can even hate Jews, Arabs, Americans - that's actually your right (nobody is suggesting this is the case or that you should actually publish these views). Just. Don't. Use. Legal. Terminology. That. You. Clearly. Don't. Understand. | |||
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"Fuck them both for what they are doing it’s as simple as that. Not really simple though is it, that’s just saying not my problem! Is that condoning the loss of innocent life on both sides? Or just a stupid remark from someone that has no clue, no input but needed to be heard
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" Sadly some people seem to think it's wrong to kill some kids, and okay to kill some others kid if some arbitrary conditions are met. Such as someone from Hamas possibly being near by when they're killed. " @OP This is an example of a reasonable position to take. We can disagree, but at least it makes sense. | |||
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"What seems to be blowing people’s minds is that both sides are doing bad things. The usual “football team” mentality doesn’t apply. Both sides are in the wrong. I can’t pick a team in this one. What are the innocent children of palastine doing wrong ? " That works both ways. What were the civilian hostages doing wrong? If it was a Reddit thread about the people in control the answer would be everyone is the asshole here. Civilians on both sides paying the price | |||
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"Isreal have pushed them too far But burning babys while abusing the mother whos watching her baby cook. Thats barbarians Have a look outside mainstream media none of the surrounding countrys are willing to take Palestinians. The reasons are there is you research Sorry this has been proven false Any burning of Israelis was caused by the hell fire rockets of an Israeli war chopper. Fair play just had a look there. Some say false but still some say true. I dont want to come across as a conspiracy nut but ive seen videos saying usa has caused this to build a canal through gazza to save using the Suez Canal . Not saying i belive it but america has been the cause of most wars over the last 20 odd year. Its big business for them Looking at a map is a good way of ruling that conspiracy theory out. As i said im not saying i belive it but i did look at the map and it rules out nothing Goodle The Israeli Ben Gurion Canal)" It was first mooted 60 years ago, I think if it was going to be built it would’ve happened by now. | |||
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"my question plane and simple Do you condemn Isreal for war crimes on innocent civilians? No. Let’s not play the collateral damage card if I your going to play the human shield card can I ask Should Isreal bomb its own schools and hospitals if Hamas was hiding below them ? The level of ignorance on this generally is astounding, beginning with trying to start a serious discussion about a country in the Middle East, without being able to spell it. It's poor form to comment on spelling and grammar, especially in a non-editable forum, but come on, really. If you remove collateral damage from the equation, them almost every army in the world is guilty of war crimes. If Israel wanted to, they COULD bomb their own schools/hospitals if Hamas were underneath them and it would not be a war crime. Whether they WOULD or not is another question. States tend to distinguish between their own, neutral others, and enemies. You are welcome to find this immoral and reprehensible. That is in and of itself a worthy topic of debate. Is it possible that Israel had committed war crimes? Absolutely yes. Do we know that at this time? Absolutely no. Will people from both sides misuse the terms "war crime" and "genocide"? Probably. You clearly do not understand: (a) the actual legal definition of "war crime" (b) the purpose of defining and enforcing against war crimes (c) the importance of *intent* behind war crimes That's pretty usual for a regular British citizen, but then you start a thread about war crimes. Here's a tip: Hate Israel. Disagree with and condemn their methods, such as invasion, cutting off water, electricity, etc. Call them mad, evil etc. Protest against Benjamin Netanyahu (half his country hates him). Just be prepared to defend those positions. If you want to, you can even hate Jews, Arabs, Americans - that's actually your right (nobody is suggesting this is the case or that you should actually publish these views). Just. Don't. Use. Legal. Terminology. That. You. Clearly. Don't. Understand. " Ok I’m not allowed an opinion due to being dyslexic. Sounds fair Thanks  | |||
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"And still the question do condemn Isreali war crimes is nit answered I condemn them . The question is whether they’ve been committed Hamas use the age old terrorust tactic of using civilians as shields. They dig tunnels under schools and hospitals, store weapons and have operation rooms in civilian places. All these things make them a military target and as long a proportional force is used, it’s not a war crime to strike military targets And if they was hiding under our schools should they be bomb the innocent ? " But that’s a silly question, because they aren’t under our schools, and it’s a completely different country with a completely different political system and population, so the response would be completely different To start with, I’d be asking how Hamas dug tunnels under a British school What you’re doing is using a logical fallacy and false equivalence to try and push your idea, but I’m not an idiot so I won’t fall for that. | |||
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"By the looks of it OP is another bad faith debater that’s already made up his mind As they say, never argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and win with experience " There's no need to call anyone an idiot, certainly not for someone's contribution.. We can all learn by debate, change our perspective etc and whilst it's an emotional issue we can stay polite even in disagreement.. | |||
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"By the looks of it OP is another bad faith debater that’s already made up his mind As they say, never argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and win with experience There's no need to call anyone an idiot, certainly not for someone's contribution.. We can all learn by debate, change our perspective etc and whilst it's an emotional issue we can stay polite even in disagreement.. I don’t see the point when someone is purposely disrupting the debate with intentionally bad takes and misrepresenting what’s been said by other users Either intentionally, or an idiot, either way, it’s not worth the effort " Ok thanks for coming bye ?? | |||
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"my question plane and simple Do you condemn Isreal for war crimes on innocent civilians? Let’s not play the collateral damage card if I your going to play the human shield card can I ask ... Sorry this has been proven false Any burning of Israelis was caused by the hell fire rockets of an Israeli war chopper. " Let's restart. You are asking people to condemn war crimes. To condemn war crimes, one first needs evidence of that war crime. There is potential for war crimes, and some of what we have seen could indicate that. But we don't know. There is, frankly, much starker evidence of Hamas war crimes (in the legal sense, according to the Geneva Convention). What people can do is condemn Israel's tactics, which result in the death of innocent civilians, including children. That is a different discussion. Then you bring in not just conjecture, but fantasy, which you use to term something "proven false". If your bar for evidence is so low that it presumes conspiracy theories true so long as it suits your narrative, then how can anyone take your discussion about war crimes seriously? | |||
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"So iver the last few weeks we have seen every journalist/ news reader start debate with the sentence “do you condemn hamas”? We all have our eyes open we can all see what’s been going on. my question plane and simple Do you condemn Isreal for war crimes on innocent civilians? Let’s not play the collateral damage card if I your going to play the human shield card can I ask Should Isreal bomb its own schools and hospitals if Hamas was hiding below them ? " Why would Israel bomb their own schools and hospitals? It takes decades to build tunnels under Israel a highly doubtful scenario. Hiding 40000 militants under Israel would not go unnoticed. But those tunnels in Gaza are there underneath the civilian population. So the bombings continue until those tunnels are cleared and collapsed. | |||
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"I do wonder how many people would’ve supported carpet bombing of Catholic areas of Belfast in the 1980s. Mr DD Was there carpet bombing?
No but the IRA were terrorists who murdered thousands and hid among civilians."The british army murdered quite a few too,best to keep this about isreal and palestine | |||
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No but the IRA were terrorists who murdered thousands and hid among civilians.
The british army murdered quite a few too,best to keep this about isreal and palestine"They absolutely did, the point I’m trying to make is why is it acceptable to do it to Palestinians but not Northern Irish Republicans? | |||
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No but the IRA were terrorists who murdered thousands and hid among civilians.
The british army murdered quite a few too,best to keep this about isreal and palestine
They absolutely did, the point I’m trying to make is why is it acceptable to do it to Palestinians but not Northern Irish Republicans?"it was a different type of war | |||
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"I do wonder how many people would’ve supported carpet bombing of Catholic areas of Belfast in the 1980s. Mr DD Was there carpet bombing?
No but the IRA were terrorists who murdered thousands and hid among civilians.
The british army murdered quite a few too,best to keep this about isreal and palestine
They absolutely did, the point I’m trying to make is why is it acceptable to do it to Palestinians but not Northern Irish Republicans?it was a different type of war"In what way? | |||
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No but the IRA were terrorists who murdered thousands and hid among civilians."So you mean "targeted strikes with a military objective", more likely. And it would have caused war and outrage and an escalation of events. Mostly because it's white folks close to home. Even so, the parallel oversimplified a completely different situation. | |||
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"I do wonder how many people would’ve supported carpet bombing of Catholic areas of Belfast in the 1980s. Mr DD Was there carpet bombing?
No but the IRA were terrorists who murdered thousands and hid among civilians.
The british army murdered quite a few too,best to keep this about isreal and palestine
They absolutely did, the point I’m trying to make is why is it acceptable to do it to Palestinians but not Northern Irish Republicans?it was a different type of war
In what way?"it was fought as a guerila war by the ira ,and no mass bombings by the british | |||
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"I do wonder how many people would’ve supported carpet bombing of Catholic areas of Belfast in the 1980s. Mr DD Was there carpet bombing?
No but the IRA were terrorists who murdered thousands and hid among civilians.
So you mean "targeted strikes with a military objective", more likely.
And it would have caused war and outrage and an escalation of events. Mostly because it's white folks close to home.
Even so, the parallel oversimplified a completely different situation."Both are responses to terrorist atrocities. | |||
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"I do wonder how many people would’ve supported carpet bombing of Catholic areas of Belfast in the 1980s. Mr DD Was there carpet bombing?
No but the IRA were terrorists who murdered thousands and hid among civilians.
The british army murdered quite a few too,best to keep this about isreal and palestine
They absolutely did, the point I’m trying to make is why is it acceptable to do it to Palestinians but not Northern Irish Republicans?it was a different type of war
In what way?it was fought as a guerila war by the ira ,and no mass bombings by the british"Hamas are fighting a guerilla war too, but the British government chose not to react in the way the Israeli government has. | |||
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"I do wonder how many people would’ve supported carpet bombing of Catholic areas of Belfast in the 1980s. Mr DD Was there carpet bombing?
No but the IRA were terrorists who murdered thousands and hid among civilians.
So you mean "targeted strikes with a military objective", more likely.
And it would have caused war and outrage and an escalation of events. Mostly because it's white folks close to home.
Even so, the parallel oversimplified a completely different situation.
Both are responses to terrorist atrocities."Exactly. Oversimplification. Terrorist=terrorist=equivalence in all respects. | |||
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"I do wonder how many people would’ve supported carpet bombing of Catholic areas of Belfast in the 1980s. Mr DD Was there carpet bombing?
No but the IRA were terrorists who murdered thousands and hid among civilians.
The british army murdered quite a few too,best to keep this about isreal and palestine
They absolutely did, the point I’m trying to make is why is it acceptable to do it to Palestinians but not Northern Irish Republicans?it was a different type of war
In what way?"No elaborate tunnel systems. No use of rockets to hit civilians miles away. Different war now isn't it ? | |||
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"I do wonder how many people would’ve supported carpet bombing of Catholic areas of Belfast in the 1980s. Mr DD Was there carpet bombing?
No but the IRA were terrorists who murdered thousands and hid among civilians.
The british army murdered quite a few too,best to keep this about isreal and palestine
They absolutely did, the point I’m trying to make is why is it acceptable to do it to Palestinians but not Northern Irish Republicans?it was a different type of war
In what way?it was fought as a guerila war by the ira ,and no mass bombings by the british
Hamas are fighting a guerilla war too, but the British government chose not to react in the way the Israeli government has."I dont think you can compare both | |||
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"What seems to be blowing people’s minds is that both sides are doing bad things. The usual “football team” mentality doesn’t apply. Both sides are in the wrong. I can’t pick a team in this one. " All id add to that is you bring 100,000 Israelis to uk they will live in peace with us. I don’t recall any Jewish suicide bomber attacks in uk. Same would be highly unlikely if you brought 100,000 Palestinians here. If they were not targeting Jews, the prophet would have them attack everyone else. | |||
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"I do wonder how many people would’ve supported carpet bombing of Catholic areas of Belfast in the 1980s. Mr DD" Belfast isn’t a no go area and has had military intervention since 69 when labour put soldiers onto the streets to protect policing. | |||
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"By the looks of it OP is another bad faith debater that’s already made up his mind As they say, never argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and win with experience There's no need to call anyone an idiot, certainly not for someone's contribution.. We can all learn by debate, change our perspective etc and whilst it's an emotional issue we can stay polite even in disagreement.. I don’t see the point when someone is purposely disrupting the debate with intentionally bad takes and misrepresenting what’s been said by other users Either intentionally, or an idiot, either way, it’s not worth the effort Ok thanks for coming bye ?? " No I’ll stuck around and keeping a level debate going as if yet it’s more correcting the argument | |||
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They absolutely did, the point I’m trying to make is why is it acceptable to do it to Palestinians but not Northern Irish Republicans?it was a different type of war
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"I do wonder how many people would’ve supported carpet bombing of Catholic areas of Belfast in the 1980s. Mr DD Was there carpet bombing?
No but the IRA were terrorists who murdered thousands and hid among civilians.
So you mean "targeted strikes with a military objective", more likely.
And it would have caused war and outrage and an escalation of events. Mostly because it's white folks close to home.
Even so, the parallel oversimplified a completely different situation.
Both are responses to terrorist atrocities."British soldiers were placed on the streets of Northern Ireland to firstly protect catholic population it was when the IRA and INLA started targeting police patrols and emergency services that the army’s role changed Trying learning history | |||
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"I do wonder how many people would’ve supported carpet bombing of Catholic areas of Belfast in the 1980s. Mr DD Was there carpet bombing?
No but the IRA were terrorists who murdered thousands and hid among civilians.
The british army murdered quite a few too,best to keep this about isreal and palestine
They absolutely did, the point I’m trying to make is why is it acceptable to do it to Palestinians but not Northern Irish Republicans?it was a different type of war
In what way? No elaborate tunnel systems. No use of rockets to hit civilians miles away. Different war now isn't it ? "It’s a different war because of the way the British government chose to fight it, the IRA were still a terrorist organisation who used explosives and other methods to murder civilians. You can say “It’s different” but the point is why is it different? Why did the British government choose different methods to fight the IRA? | |||
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"I do wonder how many people would’ve supported carpet bombing of Catholic areas of Belfast in the 1980s. Mr DD Was there carpet bombing?
No but the IRA were terrorists who murdered thousands and hid among civilians.
So you mean "targeted strikes with a military objective", more likely.
And it would have caused war and outrage and an escalation of events. Mostly because it's white folks close to home.
Even so, the parallel oversimplified a completely different situation.
Both are responses to terrorist atrocities.
British soldiers were placed on the streets of Northern Ireland to firstly protect catholic population it was when the IRA and INLA started targeting police patrols and emergency services that the army’s role changed
Trying learning history "Yes, and then the IRA murdered civilians in their hundreds and thousands but the British government chose not to bomb the Catholic areas in which the IRA terrorists hid, why? | |||
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"What seems to be blowing people’s minds is that both sides are doing bad things. The usual “football team” mentality doesn’t apply. Both sides are in the wrong. I can’t pick a team in this one. All id add to that is you bring 100,000 Israelis to uk they will live in peace with us. I don’t recall any Jewish suicide bomber attacks in uk. Same would be highly unlikely if you brought 100,000 Palestinians here. If they were not targeting Jews, the prophet would have them attack everyone else. " Then you need to look at how the state of Israel was established. | |||
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"All id add to that is you bring 100,000 Israelis to uk they will live in peace with us. I don’t recall any Jewish suicide bomber attacks in uk. Same would be highly unlikely if you brought 100,000 Palestinians here. If they were not targeting Jews, the prophet would have them attack everyone else. Then you need to look at how the state of Israel was established." You will need to justify that response. How was it established and how does that relate to what 100,000 Israelis would do in the UK? Be specific. Be very specific. | |||
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"All id add to that is you bring 100,000 Israelis to uk they will live in peace with us. I don’t recall any Jewish suicide bomber attacks in uk. Same would be highly unlikely if you brought 100,000 Palestinians here. If they were not targeting Jews, the prophet would have them attack everyone else. Then you need to look at how the state of Israel was established. You will need to justify that response. How was it established and how does that relate to what 100,000 Israelis would do in the UK? Be specific. Be very specific. " The suggestion that one group of people are prepared to use terrorism and another is not is inherently racist. Especially as both groups have a history of using terrorism to achieve their goals. | |||
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" Same would be highly unlikely if you brought 100,000 Palestinians here. If they were not targeting Jews, the prophet would have them attack everyone else. " Whether right or wrong, this is an unfortunately crassly phrased comment. Perhaps we should criticise the ideology and leaders? | |||
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" You will need to justify that response. How was it established and how does that relate to what 100,000 Israelis would do in the UK? Be specific. Be very specific. The suggestion that one group of people are prepared to use terrorism and another is not is inherently racist. Especially as both groups have a history of using terrorism to achieve their goals." Of course it isn't racist, inherently. Especially if you can rationally justify your position. But do elaborate on your assertion, please. | |||
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" You will need to justify that response. How was it established and how does that relate to what 100,000 Israelis would do in the UK? Be specific. Be very specific. The suggestion that one group of people are prepared to use terrorism and another is not is inherently racist. Especially as both groups have a history of using terrorism to achieve their goals. Of course it isn't racist, inherently. Especially if you can rationally justify your position. But do elaborate on your assertion, please." I don’t need to elaborate on my assertion , there is not a ‘race’ on the planet that hasn’t used terrorism to achieve its goals, and to suggest that one person is more likely to do so than another simply because of their race/nationality, is racist. | |||
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"Then you need to look at how the state of Israel was established. ... I don’t need to elaborate on my assertion , there is not a ‘race’ on the planet that hasn’t used terrorism to achieve its goals, and to suggest that one person is more likely to do so than another simply because of their race/nationality, is racist." Right. So that single line just stands by itself. "look at how the state of Israel was established" needs no further elaboration. Okay. | |||
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"Fuck them both for what they are doing it’s as simple as that. Agree. Both sides are as bad as each other, intransigent, belligerent and full of hate. They kill in the name of their God and consider themselves 'chosen'. Now they are sowing the seeds for another generation of strife." In reality the two sides consist of innocent civilians on one side. Hamas and the IDF on the other. | |||
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"So iver the last few weeks we have seen every journalist/ news reader start debate with the sentence “do you condemn hamas”? We all have our eyes open we can all see what’s been going on. my question plane and simple Do you condemn Isreal for war crimes on innocent civilians? Let’s not play the collateral damage card if I your going to play the human shield card can I ask Should Isreal bomb its own schools and hospitals if Hamas was hiding below them ? " I condemn anything that could be seen as a collective punishment…. The blockade of fuel, food and medicines was absolutely that! Targeting of ambulances, targeting of hospitals, targeting of unrwa and unicef facilities… that’s all collective punishment in my eyes As with the airstrikes….. the first couple of day I can see where that could be seen as targeted… couple of thousand runs…. Maybe not so much!! | |||
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"my question plane and simple Do you condemn Isreal for war crimes on innocent civilians? Let’s not play the collateral damage card if I your going to play the human shield card can I ask ... Sorry this has been proven false Any burning of Israelis was caused by the hell fire rockets of an Israeli war chopper. Let's restart. You are asking people to condemn war crimes. To condemn war crimes, one first needs evidence of that war crime. There is potential for war crimes, and some of what we have seen could indicate that. But we don't know. There is, frankly, much starker evidence of Hamas war crimes (in the legal sense, according to the Geneva Convention). What people can do is condemn Israel's tactics, which result in the death of innocent civilians, including children. That is a different discussion. Then you bring in not just conjecture, but fantasy, which you use to term something "proven false". If your bar for evidence is so low that it presumes conspiracy theories true so long as it suits your narrative, then how can anyone take your discussion about war crimes seriously?" Occupation is a war crime Torture is a war crime Nit allowing aid is a war crime Killing of press is a war crime 7 journalists, and mice, famously, ( Rachel Corrie ) Use of white phosphorus war crime Do you know it would take over six hours to list the names and ages of all the children killed in the last month . | |||
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"What seems to be blowing people’s minds is that both sides are doing bad things. The usual “football team” mentality doesn’t apply. Both sides are in the wrong. I can’t pick a team in this one. All id add to that is you bring 100,000 Israelis to uk they will live in peace with us. I don’t recall any Jewish suicide bomber attacks in uk. Same would be highly unlikely if you brought 100,000 Palestinians here. If they were not targeting Jews, the prophet would have them attack everyone else. " We put more then that into Israel with the Balfore declaration, a contract that ordered that they must live in peace alongside the Palestinians going by the news, I would say your logic is pretty flawed. | |||
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"my question plane and simple Do you condemn Isreal for war crimes on innocent civilians? Let’s not play the collateral damage card if I your going to play the human shield card can I ask ... Sorry this has been proven false Any burning of Israelis was caused by the hell fire rockets of an Israeli war chopper. Let's restart. You are asking people to condemn war crimes. To condemn war crimes, one first needs evidence of that war crime. There is potential for war crimes, and some of what we have seen could indicate that. But we don't know. There is, frankly, much starker evidence of Hamas war crimes (in the legal sense, according to the Geneva Convention). What people can do is condemn Israel's tactics, which result in the death of innocent civilians, including children. That is a different discussion. Then you bring in not just conjecture, but fantasy, which you use to term something "proven false". If your bar for evidence is so low that it presumes conspiracy theories true so long as it suits your narrative, then how can anyone take your discussion about war crimes seriously? Occupation is a war crime Torture is a war crime Nit allowing aid is a war crime Killing of press is a war crime 7 journalists, and mice, famously, ( Rachel Corrie ) Use of white phosphorus war crime Do you know it would take over six hours to list the names and ages of all the children killed in the last month . " Do you actually know how to engage in discussion? You know, where you read what someone writes, then respond to those points? | |||
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"Maybe some of the western powers can just send Hamas more modern weapons to target Israeli cities. Some here would send Hamas all they needed. After all they are the government there and the military there. Even the battlefield make it more balanced. You think Hamas wouldnt do the same to Israelis? " Is this an appropriate moment to remind you that your own country men /women raised funds for the terrorists in Northern Ireland? I would add there are some people in every society that will give funds to whatever the cause is regardless of how it's worded to shake the tin so it's not a sole dig.. | |||
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"No but I do blame palestinians for this they either want Hamas there leading them or they should help destroy them them maybe I'd say Israel should talk to them until they I think Israel has every right to wipe them of the earth." How do you decide which genocide to support? | |||
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"No but I do blame palestinians for this they either want Hamas there leading them or they should help destroy them them maybe I'd say Israel should talk to them until they I think Israel has every right to wipe them of the earth." Hamas ran for the 2006 elections on a manifesto that dropped the call for destruction of Israel. They won with 45% support. After they won, they started eliminating political rivals from Fateh and never had any elections. If you take 50% of the people of Gaza are under 18 and probably 45% of the people that voted from them probably don't support them, thats probably not a lot of support they had before 7th October. Not quite easy as you think for ordinary people to overthrow leaders as you think. Numbers don't matter if the smaller group have all the weapons. Otherwise all unpopular regimes would have fallen just like that. Arab Spring, Iran, North Korea, Brazil, Chile and Argentina in the 60s are prime examples. | |||
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"So iver the last few weeks we have seen every journalist/ news reader start debate with the sentence “do you condemn hamas”? We all have our eyes open we can all see what’s been going on. my question plane and simple Do you condemn Isreal for war crimes on innocent civilians? Let’s not play the collateral damage card if I your going to play the human shield card can I ask Should Isreal bomb its own schools and hospitals if Hamas was hiding below them ? " Have no idea how or why nations continue to support them nor how they let them get away with such atrocities. Considering their journey to nation hood you'd think they'd be more sympathetic. | |||
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"Maybe some of the western powers can just send Hamas more modern weapons to target Israeli cities. Some here would send Hamas all they needed. After all they are the government there and the military there. Even the battlefield make it more balanced. You think Hamas wouldnt do the same to Israelis? Is this an appropriate moment to remind you that your own country men /women raised funds for the terrorists in Northern Ireland? I would add there are some people in every society that will give funds to whatever the cause is regardless of how it's worded to shake the tin so it's not a sole dig.. " I know they did and after all the carnage the good Friday agreement was enacted. | |||
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"Maybe some of the western powers can just send Hamas more modern weapons to target Israeli cities. Some here would send Hamas all they needed. After all they are the government there and the military there. Even the battlefield make it more balanced. You think Hamas wouldnt do the same to Israelis? Is this an appropriate moment to remind you that your own country men /women raised funds for the terrorists in Northern Ireland? I would add there are some people in every society that will give funds to whatever the cause is regardless of how it's worded to shake the tin so it's not a sole dig.. I know they did and after all the carnage the good Friday agreement was enacted. " It was and despite it not being perfect over there it's a whole lot better than it used to be, people (the majority, the voices of compromise and tolerance) want peace.. The middle east and it's people is no different, a far from perfect peace is better than any war.. | |||
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"No but I do blame palestinians for this they either want Hamas there leading them or they should help destroy them them maybe I'd say Israel should talk to them until they I think Israel has every right to wipe them of the earth. Hamas ran for the 2006 elections on a manifesto that dropped the call for destruction of Israel. They won with 45% support. After they won, they started eliminating political rivals from Fateh and never had any elections. If you take 50% of the people of Gaza are under 18 and probably 45% of the people that voted from them probably don't support them, thats probably not a lot of support they had before 7th October. Not quite easy as you think for ordinary people to overthrow leaders as you think. Numbers don't matter if the smaller group have all the weapons. Otherwise all unpopular regimes would have fallen just like that. Arab Spring, Iran, North Korea, Brazil, Chile and Argentina in the 60s are prime examples." yes but if there isn't anyone left to rule what they going to do other than killing themselves so lay your life down for the greater good other wise you are complicit and are a lawful target. | |||
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"No but I do blame palestinians for this they either want Hamas there leading them or they should help destroy them them maybe I'd say Israel should talk to them until they I think Israel has every right to wipe them of the earth. Hamas ran for the 2006 elections on a manifesto that dropped the call for destruction of Israel. They won with 45% support. After they won, they started eliminating political rivals from Fateh and never had any elections. If you take 50% of the people of Gaza are under 18 and probably 45% of the people that voted from them probably don't support them, thats probably not a lot of support they had before 7th October. Not quite easy as you think for ordinary people to overthrow leaders as you think. Numbers don't matter if the smaller group have all the weapons. Otherwise all unpopular regimes would have fallen just like that. Arab Spring, Iran, North Korea, Brazil, Chile and Argentina in the 60s are prime examples. yes but if there isn't anyone left to rule what they going to do other than killing themselves so lay your life down for the greater good other wise you are complicit and are a lawful target." And what do you think the people of Gaza are essentially doing to an occupying power? Also how easy it must be for you to sit in your warm comfortable home and tell others they should be willing to lay down their lives, when literally 3 years ago we were fighting each other for toilet roll during lockdown | |||
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"No but I do blame palestinians for this they either want Hamas there leading them or they should help destroy them them maybe I'd say Israel should talk to them until they I think Israel has every right to wipe them of the earth. Hamas ran for the 2006 elections on a manifesto that dropped the call for destruction of Israel. They won with 45% support. After they won, they started eliminating political rivals from Fateh and never had any elections. If you take 50% of the people of Gaza are under 18 and probably 45% of the people that voted from them probably don't support them, thats probably not a lot of support they had before 7th October. Not quite easy as you think for ordinary people to overthrow leaders as you think. Numbers don't matter if the smaller group have all the weapons. Otherwise all unpopular regimes would have fallen just like that. Arab Spring, Iran, North Korea, Brazil, Chile and Argentina in the 60s are prime examples. yes but if there isn't anyone left to rule what they going to do other than killing themselves so lay your life down for the greater good other wise you are complicit and are a lawful target." Am not sure how one would think if in their position. Easy for both of us to say what we would do from the comfort of our armchairs. Do you fight against the people who have ruled you with the threat of violence at gunpoint. Or do you fight against someone who has probably killed your members of your family for the last 50 years. | |||
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"No but I do blame palestinians for this they either want Hamas there leading them or they should help destroy them them maybe I'd say Israel should talk to them until they I think Israel has every right to wipe them of the earth. Hamas ran for the 2006 elections on a manifesto that dropped the call for destruction of Israel. They won with 45% support. After they won, they started eliminating political rivals from Fateh and never had any elections. If you take 50% of the people of Gaza are under 18 and probably 45% of the people that voted from them probably don't support them, thats probably not a lot of support they had before 7th October. Not quite easy as you think for ordinary people to overthrow leaders as you think. Numbers don't matter if the smaller group have all the weapons. Otherwise all unpopular regimes would have fallen just like that. Arab Spring, Iran, North Korea, Brazil, Chile and Argentina in the 60s are prime examples. yes but if there isn't anyone left to rule what they going to do other than killing themselves so lay your life down for the greater good other wise you are complicit and are a lawful target. And what do you think the people of Gaza are essentially doing to an occupying power? Also how easy it must be for you to sit in your warm comfortable home and tell others they should be willing to lay down their lives, when literally 3 years ago we were fighting each other for toilet roll during lockdown" no fighting here we had loads of bog roll so what you're saying is Palestinians want Hamas to destroy Israel because they have occupied there country which is understandable but yet Palestinians are crying about been bombed can't have it both ways. | |||
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"I condemn anything that could be seen as a collective punishment…. How about economic sanctions against North Korea and Russia?" A) in terms of war… collective punishment is illegal and against the Geneva convention B) economic sanctions against countries do NOT include basic food supplies, fuel and medicines…… C) in fact, specifically in regards to North Korea… the U.N has specific programs that control and regulate food and medicines supplies that go in | |||
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"“Reprisal Ratio” seems to be pretty well established at ten to one (cf. Decimation), although the Nazis suggested a ratio for execution of "1 to 50 if they are dead, 1 to 10 if they are wounded. Although Israel in theory respects the principle that “No collective penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, shall be inflicted upon the population on account of the acts of individuals for which it cannot be regarded as collectively responsible”, in practice they probably consider that if 1,400 non-combatant men, women and children lost their lives to armed Palestinians (I’m deliberately avoiding emotive words like slaughtered, butchered etc.), they’ve still got another 4,000 to go before they’ll consider withdrawing. But if my two daughters had been at the Supernova Festival..." Horrific numbers murdered on both sides, 1400 Israelis and 11,000 Palestinians so far. Off your topic but for context in the 1993- 1995 Bosnian war, Srebrenica executions alone were 8,000 Bosnian Muslims, total war dead in the range 100,000-120,000 before UN peacekeepers eventually went in and these numbers are dwarfed by Uk/USA led coalition war deaths in Iraq and collective Ukrainian/Russian deaths which must now be the 200-250k range. With this in mind there will be no withdrawal. | |||
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"Ive not seen a lot of the comments so this my have been covered Isreal are abslouty to blame for this due to what they have been doing for years to the Palestinians What hamas done was was hoffific However they had to do something to bring the eyes of the world on whats been going on over there as most media ignored it I still belive the USA have played a big ppart in it but there end game i dont know Our media are trying to turn us against china for sending ships but china is actully there to keep the peace" Oh yes the Chinese are there for peace a million Uyghur muslims would say otherwise. | |||
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There to keep the peace..
Fuck my old boots, what a conclusion.. | |||
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There to keep the peace..
Fuck my old boots, what a conclusion.."lol | |||
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Fuck my old boots, what a conclusion.."Time to go say Happy Birthday to the USMC crayon eaters. China....these forums get more and more fun everyday. | |||
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"So what are they there for? " intelligence gathering on weapon systems. Why do you think they are there? Israel just shot down a ballistic missile in outer space. China relies on ballistic missile defense. | |||
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"So what are they there for? " It’s a big ol middle finger to the USA | |||
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"So what are they there for? intelligence gathering on weapon systems. Why do you think they are there? Israel just shot down a ballistic missile in outer space. China relies on ballistic missile defense. "This.. Same reason we have russian trawlers pretending to fish around our own coastline.. | |||
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"So what are they there for? It’s a big ol middle finger to the USA" nope. They can't do anything but Intel. Explain how they could? They rely on ballistic defense. They are curious how Israel intercepted one. It's a historical first. The arrow system. They are scared. | |||
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"So what are they there for? It’s a big ol middle finger to the USA nope. They can't do anything but Intel. Explain how they could? They rely on ballistic defense. They are curious how Israel intercepted one. It's a historical first. The arrow system. They are scared." It's a known fact. It just seems people are just jumping on bandwagons instead of understanding geo politics. What trends they take offense. | |||
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"Unfortunately i cant post screen shots here but simply google what is chinas role in the Israeli conflict. Stop listening to BS main stream media. Amarica always needs an enemy to keep your industrial war machine going. your political elite are the cause of all wars over the last 20 to 30 years as they make billions from wars" Did you know Ukraine special forces are in Sudan taking on Wagner? Get off the bandwagon look at the broader picture. Ukraine in Africa shocker isn't it. Just like China pretending it's going to the med for a peace mission. Do you know how ridiculous your statements are? Tik tok much? | |||
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"There is a good podcast for you to listen to. Shayn ryan ex navy seal. He interviews loads of SF guys and ex CIA who all confirm this" it's a podcast they get paid for clicks. Hubby was SF 160th SOAR. The information he and I get from being 82nd. Doesn't involve monetary clicks. Normally special forces do not reveal their identities. Some do for monetary gain. Podcast.. what a joke. | |||
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"Again america caused that ukrain war aswell and using it as a proxy war against russia Go listen to shaun ryan navy seal one of your own. Listen to the ones he interviews CIA people again some of your own" Keep drinking the Kool aid. | |||
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"Lol no worries " Truth. Something trends people jump on it as you can clearly see. Its all about the Benjamins. Media makes more than any military. | |||
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"Regarding the SF guys. Hes had guys from delta, seal team 6 , marsoc all retired and talking about Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, all the storys can be checked and verified so its abslouty no joke But keep dreaming china is out to get yous " They can bring it. They don't have the transportation capabilities we have. Explain how they are going to invade? This is why I wish we had a isolationist policy. We are the most armed population on the planet. I would love to sit back and watch the world burn and say I told you so over the Internet. Let's get there together. China is no threat to the US homeland. It is to our allies. | |||
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"Regarding the SF guys. Hes had guys from delta, seal team 6 , marsoc all retired and talking about Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, all the storys can be checked and verified so its abslouty no joke But keep dreaming china is out to get yous They can bring it. They don't have the transportation capabilities we have. Explain how they are going to invade? This is why I wish we had a isolationist policy. We are the most armed population on the planet. I would love to sit back and watch the world burn and say I told you so over the Internet. Let's get there together. China is no threat to the US homeland. It is to our allies." China can take the UK easily. It would be a great time without our support. Because you don't believe in personal protection. My civilians can fight back . Can the Palestinians ? Nope. They are hostages to Hamas and Hamas do not care how many lives Palestinian lives they take. It makes great news coverage to thier endgame. | |||
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"Why do people even need an opinion unless they are gonna do anything? Most people with an opinion couldn’t even find Gaza on map of the world. " People don't need a map of the world, they can look it up on google earth. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67356581 Killing women and babies...disgraceful. Macron calls on Israel to stop killing Gaza's women and babies" umm it's because of the blowback. France took in a lot of Muslim refugees did they not? | |||
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"Why do people even need an opinion unless they are gonna do anything? Most people with an opinion couldn’t even find Gaza on map of the world. People don't need a map of the world, they can look it up on google earth." It's because they are told to be offended not realizing future repercussions. It's clearly evident. Media viaing for who is right and who is wrong. Talking heads. | |||
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"On that crap podcast i listen to hosted by one of your militry heros. He interviews an ex CIA member who played a recording from you ex Presidential hopeful General Wesley Clark. Straight after 9/11 a document was leaked about your then goverments 5 year plan to take out Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan. Before the iraq conflict even began. And look most of the plan has been completed. Russian stopped them in syria and oh look america is funding a war against russia You can go check all this. The true fact tho is that america are the worlds terrorists" Again you clicked and gave them money. Silly you. Maybe you should join the SAS and actually see how evil people can be. Without monetary gain. | |||
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"Lol right your boring me now. Enjoy your day/night was lovely chatting x" No I am not you failed. Typical . | |||
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"Lol right your boring me now. Enjoy your day/night was lovely chatting x No I am not you failed. Typical ." Nope. Everything i said can be easily checked from multiple sources
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"Lol right your boring me now. Enjoy your day/night was lovely chatting x No I am not you failed. Typical . Nope. Everything i said can be easily checked from multiple sources click sources for monetary gain. Bravo you take a bow. And give yourself a standing ovation to other that agree with your assessment. I'll trust actual veterans that don't agree with monetary value that they fought for and some of their comrades died for. Like I said drink the Kool aid .They are not out for monetary gain . They are out for just doing the right thing in adverse conditions and to do what is righteous in their souls. Even if it pisses you off. They can have their Peace without idiots like you.the understand the costs. I choose them.
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67356581 Killing women and babies...disgraceful. Macron calls on Israel to stop killing Gaza's women and babies umm it's because of the blowback. France took in a lot of Muslim refugees did they not? " No it's because killing babies and innocent women is abhorrent and a war crime. And the sort of thing terrorists do. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67356581 Killing women and babies...disgraceful. Macron calls on Israel to stop killing Gaza's women and babies umm it's because of the blowback. France took in a lot of Muslim refugees did they not? No it's because killing babies and innocent women is abhorrent and a war crime. And the sort of thing terrorists do. " which side is the terrorist ? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67356581 Killing women and babies...disgraceful. Macron calls on Israel to stop killing Gaza's women and babies umm it's because of the blowback. France took in a lot of Muslim refugees did they not? No it's because killing babies and innocent women is abhorrent and a war crime. And the sort of thing terrorists do. which side is the terrorist ? " Sharia law or a democracy. I prefer the freedoms over female oppression. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67356581 Killing women and babies...disgraceful. Macron calls on Israel to stop killing Gaza's women and babies umm it's because of the blowback. France took in a lot of Muslim refugees did they not? No it's because killing babies and innocent women is abhorrent and a war crime. And the sort of thing terrorists do. which side is the terrorist ? Sharia law or a democracy. I prefer the freedoms over female oppression." plenty of Israeli women in direct combat. Where are the Palestinian women again? No where. Because men there oppress them. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67356581 Killing women and babies...disgraceful. Macron calls on Israel to stop killing Gaza's women and babies umm it's because of the blowback. France took in a lot of Muslim refugees did they not? No it's because killing babies and innocent women is abhorrent and a war crime. And the sort of thing terrorists do. which side is the terrorist ? Sharia law or a democracy. I prefer the freedoms over female oppression. plenty of Israeli women in direct combat. Where are the Palestinian women again? No where. Because men there oppress them." Israeli women are some of the badass women on the planet. They know the costs of being a equal amongst men. I volunteered for mine. They are mandatory. Impressive. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67356581 Killing women and babies...disgraceful. Macron calls on Israel to stop killing Gaza's women and babies umm it's because of the blowback. France took in a lot of Muslim refugees did they not? No it's because killing babies and innocent women is abhorrent and a war crime. And the sort of thing terrorists do. which side is the terrorist ? Sharia law or a democracy. I prefer the freedoms over female oppression. plenty of Israeli women in direct combat. Where are the Palestinian women again? No where. Because men there oppress them. Israeli women are some of the badass women on the planet. They know the costs of being a equal amongst men. I volunteered for mine. They are mandatory. Impressive. " They know the costs if they fail. It struck a cord with me . I volunteered and they were conscripted. They didn't mind because they realize their situation could be way worse. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67356581 Killing women and babies...disgraceful. Macron calls on Israel to stop killing Gaza's women and babies umm it's because of the blowback. France took in a lot of Muslim refugees did they not? No it's because killing babies and innocent women is abhorrent and a war crime. And the sort of thing terrorists do. " So who is the terrorist let's negate the terrorists analogy. Which ideology is better? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67356581 Killing women and babies...disgraceful. Macron calls on Israel to stop killing Gaza's women and babies umm it's because of the blowback. France took in a lot of Muslim refugees did they not? No it's because killing babies and innocent women is abhorrent and a war crime. And the sort of thing terrorists do. So who is the terrorist let's negate the terrorists analogy. Which ideology is better? " I | |||
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" So, after 70 years of occupation, you’re putting the blame solely on Hamas what about before hamas" Exactly. Isreal has collectively punished the pallistinians for 70 years and it hasn't worked. Actually, it's had the opposite effect... Isreal has created hamas through their policies and the world looks on with incredible hypocrisy. I'm staggered by the sympathy given to innocent isreaels (and quite rightly so) murdered by hamas, who were created through years of isreali ethnic cleansing and land grabbing. But not for the "collateral damage" of pallistinians who are the innocent victims of hamas and isreali sctions. It's about time the UN stopped being hypocrites, and sanction isreal. They should but won't | |||
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