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"Very good interview, it’s on now again, but try & find it somewhere. S" Michael Moore on Al Jazeera is the political equivalent of Tommy Robinson on Fox News. It's a good example of a view of the conflict from the point of view of an anti-establishment American, prompted by an anti-Israel news channel. It's surprising that Al Jazeera itself comes out against "mainstream media", since it's what they arguably are in the Middle East. The leading questions and supporting, almost scripted (you can see the interviewer looking at notes) responses say a lot. Of course, Al Jazeera had a position and that's quite fine. His equivalence between Hamas and Israel is curious and his comparison of 9/11 and October 7 is misguided, at best. One cannot equate the actions of the world's largest superpower against a minor threat thousands of miles away with the actions of a tiny country surrounded by hostile nations, with a rogue regime on its border. Either he really doesn't get the Israeli side or he's purposely trying to mislead. There's his trademark anti-American-establishment rhetoric, to which he, as an American, is entitled. Similarly, he's entitled to comment on the US connection with Israel and its foreign policy. It is a very interesting insight into how a significant portion of the US left thinks, but more in terms of the US itself and its political history than any of his commentary on the Middle East, specifically. Thanks for sharing. | |||
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"Very good interview, it’s on now again, but try & find it somewhere. S Michael Moore on Al Jazeera is the political equivalent of Tommy Robinson on Fox News. It's a good example of a view of the conflict from the point of view of an anti-establishment American, prompted by an anti-Israel news channel. It's surprising that Al Jazeera itself comes out against "mainstream media", since it's what they arguably are in the Middle East. The leading questions and supporting, almost scripted (you can see the interviewer looking at notes) responses say a lot. Of course, Al Jazeera had a position and that's quite fine. His equivalence between Hamas and Israel is curious and his comparison of 9/11 and October 7 is misguided, at best. One cannot equate the actions of the world's largest superpower against a minor threat thousands of miles away with the actions of a tiny country surrounded by hostile nations, with a rogue regime on its border. Either he really doesn't get the Israeli side or he's purposely trying to mislead. There's his trademark anti-American-establishment rhetoric, to which he, as an American, is entitled. Similarly, he's entitled to comment on the US connection with Israel and its foreign policy. It is a very interesting insight into how a significant portion of the US left thinks, but more in terms of the US itself and its political history than any of his commentary on the Middle East, specifically. Thanks for sharing." I take everything he says with a pinch of salt as I do anything but at the same time things happened while 9/11 was happening & in the days after that said to me it wasn’t as straightforward as “It’s a terrorist attack”. I see no problem with watching an Islamic propaganda channel same as I see no problem with watching an Israeli one or CNN, BBC Etc. He is right about a lot & wrong about a lot. I do think Biden is in trouble where it matters to him & the democrats though & that may mean a sizeable change in posture. S | |||
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"Trump is saying some interesting stuff about Netanyahu and his dealing with him. Trump said that at an early stage of his presidency, he realized that Netanyahu would be a bigger obstacle to peace than Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. But he struggled to explain why he continually took steps to benefit Netanyahu and harm Abbas, even though he'd initially found Abbas more cooperative. One explanation he offered was that he'd always been told the Israelis wanted peace, not the Palestinians." Hmm, bandwagoning maybe? It’s slowly unravelling in the US. I see Italy have a hospital ship on the way to Gaza, should be interesting seeing as Israel have the sea blockaded too. I love that it’s picking up two warships for company along the way. Might be seen as a “Come on then, I fcking dare ya!” To Benny N & his mates. S | |||
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" I see Italy have a hospital ship on the way to Gaza, should be interesting seeing as Israel have the sea blockaded too. I love that it’s picking up two warships for company along the way. Might be seen as a “Come on then, I fcking dare ya!” To Benny N & his mates. S" Israel requested this. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-diplomat-sees-possible-foreign-hospital-ships-gaza-wounded-2023-11-02/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231104-israel-appeals-to-europe-for-hospital-ships-to-aid-wounded-instead-of-allowing-fuel-to-gaza/ | |||
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" I see Italy have a hospital ship on the way to Gaza, should be interesting seeing as Israel have the sea blockaded too. I love that it’s picking up two warships for company along the way. Might be seen as a “Come on then, I fcking dare ya!” To Benny N & his mates. S Israel requested this. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-diplomat-sees-possible-foreign-hospital-ships-gaza-wounded-2023-11-02/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231104-israel-appeals-to-europe-for-hospital-ships-to-aid-wounded-instead-of-allowing-fuel-to-gaza/" Interesting, I was obviously watching the “Wrong” channel at that moment in time. The others where still waffling about the G7, UN & other bits. 
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"Trump is saying some interesting stuff about Netanyahu and his dealing with him. Trump said that at an early stage of his presidency, he realized that Netanyahu would be a bigger obstacle to peace than Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. But he struggled to explain why he continually took steps to benefit Netanyahu and harm Abbas, even though he'd initially found Abbas more cooperative. One explanation he offered was that he'd always been told the Israelis wanted peace, not the Palestinians. Hmm, bandwagoning maybe? It’s slowly unravelling in the US. I see Italy have a hospital ship on the way to Gaza, should be interesting seeing as Israel have the sea blockaded too. I love that it’s picking up two warships for company along the way. Might be seen as a “Come on then, I fcking dare ya!” To Benny N & his mates. S" Nothing is unraveling.  | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy." Israel shoots down a ballistic missile in space and people can't believe they are doing surgical strikes. The narrative is " Carpet bombing". | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy. Israel shoots down a ballistic missile in space and people can't believe they are doing surgical strikes. The narrative is " Carpet bombing"." Missile traveling 15000 mph . Israel can't target Hamas in their exact location. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy." and the beeb sky and ch 4 news are clearly showing bias to Israel, why shouldnt we be getting both sides? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy. Israel shoots down a ballistic missile in space and people can't believe they are doing surgical strikes. The narrative is " Carpet bombing"." So a month in all Hamas are dead then? No A month in most Hamas are dead then? No A month in some Hamas in the tunnels are dead then? We don’t know, do we. A month in & North Gaza is obliterated, we used billions of dollars of munitions, likely killed less than 500 before the ground troops went in but destroyed the lives of a million people & killed roughly 10,000 of them. Seems very surgical to me if you want to remove the whole organ rather than just the tumour. Once this started with the attack which was abhorrent because of who was in charge in Israel from day one it was never about Hamas it was about taking Gaza full stop & once BN got told that’s not happening the bombings intensified. Like a spoilt kid who’s not getting his own way he breaks something out of spitefulness. From day one this as far as the Israeli Government were concerned was & has always been seen as “An opportunity”. It was not & never was about revenge & taking Hamas out it was about taking territory, the other bits are a bonus. Oh as an expert can you give me a valid reason why a hundred Palestinian families were kicked out of their homes in the West Bank over the weekend? Camouflaged by what’s happening in Gaza? S | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy." An Arab station showing bias towards Arabs, how is this different to an Israeli station or indeed pretty much any American news station showing bias to Israel? Rt was quite literally a state run propaganda channel you’d wait days waiting for a “Fact” to show its face on there. S | |||
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"Once this started with the attack which was abhorrent because of who was in charge in Israel from day one it was never about Hamas it was about taking Gaza full stop & once BN got told that’s not happening the bombings intensified. Like a spoilt kid who’s not getting his own way he breaks something out of spitefulness." I have read this part a few times now and I'm struggling to work out if you are talking about the attack on Oct 7th or the retaliatory attack by Israel. | |||
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"Once this started with the attack which was abhorrent because of who was in charge in Israel from day one it was never about Hamas it was about taking Gaza full stop & once BN got told that’s not happening the bombings intensified. Like a spoilt kid who’s not getting his own way he breaks something out of spitefulness. I have read this part a few times now and I'm struggling to work out if you are talking about the attack on Oct 7th or the retaliatory attack by Israel. " I don’t get you but the first bit is the Hamas attack. The rest is BN. Had Israel had a more moderate Government at the helm I doubt we’d be witnessing what we are, it would be done “Differently”. However you might also say Palestine would not have had the year on year increasing death toll, the increasing dispossessions & settlements & ergo perhaps much like the IRA, Hamas would not have garnered as much support for their attack within the Palestinian general population. Boxes of matches. S | |||
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" Once this started with the attack which was abhorrent because of who was in charge in Israel from day one it was never about Hamas it was about taking Gaza full stop & once BN got told that’s not happening the bombings intensified. " This is not a criticism as such but are you saying 7th Oct was because of who is in charge in Israel? The lack of grammar is making me struggle to read the quotation and understand what you're saying. | |||
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"One group of people thinks the land is theirs because it was promised by God that they would return to their land. It's literally in biblical text, the story of Moses and the Israelites. In contrast, the other side is not too pleased with being forced off the land having lived there for a good 2000 years or so. The whole situation is an absolute fucking mess. The only difference between the two is western powers like the USA and UK support one side as they see them as a way to have influence in the middle east. Also because rich Israelis pay them lots of money. You can't resolve a conflict without objectively looking at the reasons on each side. To be honest, peacekeepers should have been sent in decades ago to keep them both separated, or a more effective revoking scheme setup to compensate those already living on the land, akin to what the US did with Native Americans." You make good points. Not sure how you are determining the 2000 years thing though? 2000 years ago Jews were the main “race” in Judea a province of the Roman Empire. Around 700-800AD with the rise of Islam there was a Jewish diaspora to Europe. Anthropologically speaking there is little difference between the indigenous people living there who are Jews or Muslim. 1947/48 saw a huge influx of European Jews to the newly founded Israel, created in part as a salve to the Jewish people displaced as a result of the Nazis. The root cause of the problem was the ill thought out approach to how the land would be divided between Jews and Muslims in what had been Palestine and now became Israel and Palestine. How anyone thought a fragmentation approach was sensible was bonkers. Palestine should have been most of the West Bank and what is Northern Israel (ie no border between Israel and Lebanon or Syria) and the southern portion of the West Bank and Gaza should have been part of Israel. Jerusalem should have been an international city under UN protection from the get go. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy." This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too." I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? " I don't watch the news but there is a difference in that were talking proscribed terrorists vs democratically elected. Regardless of what side is right or wrong, do we really believe our national news stations should be pro terrorist? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? " How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? I don't watch the news but there is a difference in that were talking proscribed terrorists vs democratically elected. Regardless of what side is right or wrong, do we really believe our national news stations should be pro terrorist?" It is a tricky one, but the general feel I get when I hear the mainstream news reporting on it, is that, yes, they are more objective than others, but still more on hamas side than israels side. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? I don't watch the news but there is a difference in that were talking proscribed terrorists vs democratically elected. Regardless of what side is right or wrong, do we really believe our national news stations should be pro terrorist?It is a tricky one, but the general feel I get when I hear the mainstream news reporting on it, is that, yes, they are more objective than others, but still more on hamas side than israels side. " Its Hamas's strategy. It's a asymmetric war. In order for them to " win" against Israel knowing they are militarily inferior is to cause public outcry and it's working. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too." Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? I don't watch the news but there is a difference in that were talking proscribed terrorists vs democratically elected. Regardless of what side is right or wrong, do we really believe our national news stations should be pro terrorist?It is a tricky one, but the general feel I get when I hear the mainstream news reporting on it, is that, yes, they are more objective than others, but still more on hamas side than israels side. Its Hamas's strategy. It's a asymmetric war. In order for them to " win" against Israel knowing they are militarily inferior is to cause public outcry and it's working. " Yes, it is their strategy as well, it was interesting hearing the mosab hassan yousef interview, the eldest son of one of the co founders of hamas, warning the west about supporting them. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. " It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). "I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli?" How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter)." Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. " I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian?" I think this one is for someone else. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? I don't watch the news but there is a difference in that were talking proscribed terrorists vs democratically elected. Regardless of what side is right or wrong, do we really believe our national news stations should be pro terrorist?It is a tricky one, but the general feel I get when I hear the mainstream news reporting on it, is that, yes, they are more objective than others, but still more on hamas side than israels side. Its Hamas's strategy. It's a asymmetric war. In order for them to " win" against Israel knowing they are militarily inferior is to cause public outcry and it's working. Yes, it is their strategy as well, it was interesting hearing the mosab hassan yousef interview, the eldest son of one of the co founders of hamas, warning the west about supporting them." It was the warning to support hamas. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? " Not seen much CNN or sky for a while so can't comment but I don't see the BBC as pro anything in this conflict. What is it that you feel is pro Israeli | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else." What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef." I haven't claimed anything. In the meantime feel free to read her comments. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? I don't watch the news but there is a difference in that were talking proscribed terrorists vs democratically elected. Regardless of what side is right or wrong, do we really believe our national news stations should be pro terrorist?" . We believe our news should be neutral. It should tell the news, and not opinion. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian?" Take out a stop clock. Time how long an interview with a family member of the taken hostages is or even an idf soldier. Time how long an interview with someone in Gaza is. Count how often Israelis are interupted. Count how many times a palestinian supporter is interupted. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? I don't watch the news but there is a difference in that were talking proscribed terrorists vs democratically elected. Regardless of what side is right or wrong, do we really believe our national news stations should be pro terrorist?It is a tricky one, but the general feel I get when I hear the mainstream news reporting on it, is that, yes, they are more objective than others, but still more on hamas side than israels side. Its Hamas's strategy. It's a asymmetric war. In order for them to " win" against Israel knowing they are militarily inferior is to cause public outcry and it's working. " Israel is the only country I know with a tiktok account and the only military with a tiktok account. If you see thie idf tiktok account they are doing dance routines and giving their side. Watch it. If you need tiktok and a whole public relations team to make you seem as though you are the good guys, are you really good guys https://www.reuters.com/world/graphic-pro-israel-ads-make-their-way-into-childrens-video-games-2023-10-30/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/ | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? I don't watch the news but there is a difference in that were talking proscribed terrorists vs democratically elected. Regardless of what side is right or wrong, do we really believe our national news stations should be pro terrorist?. We believe our news should be neutral. It should tell the news, and not opinion." I'm afraid there are very few neutral sources of news. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef." If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel." I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? I don't watch the news but there is a difference in that were talking proscribed terrorists vs democratically elected. Regardless of what side is right or wrong, do we really believe our national news stations should be pro terrorist?It is a tricky one, but the general feel I get when I hear the mainstream news reporting on it, is that, yes, they are more objective than others, but still more on hamas side than israels side. Its Hamas's strategy. It's a asymmetric war. In order for them to " win" against Israel knowing they are militarily inferior is to cause public outcry and it's working. Israel is the only country I know with a tiktok account and the only military with a tiktok account. If you see thie idf tiktok account they are doing dance routines and giving their side. Watch it. If you need tiktok and a whole public relations team to make you seem as though you are the good guys, are you really good guys https://www.reuters.com/world/graphic-pro-israel-ads-make-their-way-into-childrens-video-games-2023-10-30/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/ " Of course Israel is going to try to counter the media game. It's foolish not to. Hearts and minds. Israel has the superior firepower. Hamas's strategy is to gain world opinion by using Palestinian deaths. Instead of directly engaging the IDF. It's asymmetric warfare. It worked on you didn't it ? | |||
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"How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? Take out a stop clock. Time how long an interview with a family member of the taken hostages is or even an idf soldier. Time how long an interview with someone in Gaza is. Count how often Israelis are interupted. Count how many times a palestinian supporter is interupted. " That sounds almost fair enough, let's do it. We will need to select from similar format of news and determine a way to get a representative sample from each side. Suggestions: Let's time relative Vs relative, then citizen Vs citizen. Let's time total airtime given to each side. Let's count interviews, e.g. we might find 4 long on one side Vs 16 short on the other. Let's then look qualitatively at them (for bonus points). When counting interrupting, let's ensure we get extremist Vs extremist and moderate Vs moderate, as well as citizen Vs citizen. Should be interesting. Seriously. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? I don't watch the news but there is a difference in that were talking proscribed terrorists vs democratically elected. Regardless of what side is right or wrong, do we really believe our national news stations should be pro terrorist?It is a tricky one, but the general feel I get when I hear the mainstream news reporting on it, is that, yes, they are more objective than others, but still more on hamas side than israels side. Its Hamas's strategy. It's a asymmetric war. In order for them to " win" against Israel knowing they are militarily inferior is to cause public outcry and it's working. Israel is the only country I know with a tiktok account and the only military with a tiktok account. If you see thie idf tiktok account they are doing dance routines and giving their side. Watch it. If you need tiktok and a whole public relations team to make you seem as though you are the good guys, are you really good guys https://www.reuters.com/world/graphic-pro-israel-ads-make-their-way-into-childrens-video-games-2023-10-30/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/ Of course Israel is going to try to counter the media game. It's foolish not to. Hearts and minds. Israel has the superior firepower. Hamas's strategy is to gain world opinion by using Palestinian deaths. Instead of directly engaging the IDF. It's asymmetric warfare. It worked on you didn't it ?" Actually critical thinking worked on me. I have been pro-palestinian since I read about it at 14, and being anti-israel does not make me anti-jewish. Everyone has the right to their beliefs, what it does make me is someone who thinks the state of Israel should have never been created. That though is now situation that isn’t going to happen. I’m not sure what part of displacing people from their houses, birthright (where if you prove jewish ancestrey you can become an Israeli citizen, yet if you were born a palestinian in occupied territory you can’t) bombing civilian populations and destroying bakeries so people can’t eat even the basic food is hard to condem. Before everyone says why don’t Egypt take them, let’s flip the argument on it’s head, for those of us living in the midlands and south, if France invaded, would you expect Scotland to take us, or would you stay because it’s your land? Where you have lived for generations | |||
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"How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? Take out a stop clock. Time how long an interview with a family member of the taken hostages is or even an idf soldier. Time how long an interview with someone in Gaza is. Count how often Israelis are interupted. Count how many times a palestinian supporter is interupted. That sounds almost fair enough, let's do it. We will need to select from similar format of news and determine a way to get a representative sample from each side. Suggestions: Let's time relative Vs relative, then citizen Vs citizen. Let's time total airtime given to each side. Let's count interviews, e.g. we might find 4 long on one side Vs 16 short on the other. Let's then look qualitatively at them (for bonus points). When counting interrupting, let's ensure we get extremist Vs extremist and moderate Vs moderate, as well as citizen Vs citizen. Should be interesting. Seriously." Proposal: Let's do this on two BBC news programmes each day next week (avoids cherry picking). We can surely find recruits here to volunteer. | |||
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"How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? Take out a stop clock. Time how long an interview with a family member of the taken hostages is or even an idf soldier. Time how long an interview with someone in Gaza is. Count how often Israelis are interupted. Count how many times a palestinian supporter is interupted. That sounds almost fair enough, let's do it. We will need to select from similar format of news and determine a way to get a representative sample from each side. Suggestions: Let's time relative Vs relative, then citizen Vs citizen. Let's time total airtime given to each side. Let's count interviews, e.g. we might find 4 long on one side Vs 16 short on the other. Let's then look qualitatively at them (for bonus points). When counting interrupting, let's ensure we get extremist Vs extremist and moderate Vs moderate, as well as citizen Vs citizen. Should be interesting. Seriously." Over and above, given how tense and critical this situations is (potential to start another world war) time how long this story is now covered on cnn, bbc and sky. I reckon we’re looking at about a third of their time. Does anyone else remember sports news taking 30 min segments ever? Literally sky are now talking about Nadine Dories book! https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/oct/27/us-asks-qatar-to-turn-down-the-volume-of-al-jazeera-news-coverage I mean who says free press? | |||
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"Over and above, given how tense and critical this situations is (potential to start another world war) time how long this story is now covered on cnn, bbc and sky. I reckon we’re looking at about a third of their time. Does anyone else remember sports news taking 30 min segments ever? " The first lesson in a media training course (really): News is purely entertainment, do not think otherwise. | |||
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"Over and above, given how tense and critical this situations is (potential to start another world war) time how long this story is now covered on cnn, bbc and sky. I reckon we’re looking at about a third of their time. Does anyone else remember sports news taking 30 min segments ever? The first lesson in a media training course (really): News is purely entertainment, do not think otherwise." Oh, you'll love this: It was given by a BBC journalist! | |||
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"How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? Take out a stop clock. Time how long an interview with a family member of the taken hostages is or even an idf soldier. Time how long an interview with someone in Gaza is. Count how often Israelis are interupted. Count how many times a palestinian supporter is interupted. That sounds almost fair enough, let's do it. We will need to select from similar format of news and determine a way to get a representative sample from each side. Suggestions: Let's time relative Vs relative, then citizen Vs citizen. Let's time total airtime given to each side. Let's count interviews, e.g. we might find 4 long on one side Vs 16 short on the other. Let's then look qualitatively at them (for bonus points). When counting interrupting, let's ensure we get extremist Vs extremist and moderate Vs moderate, as well as citizen Vs citizen. Should be interesting. Seriously. Over and above, given how tense and critical this situations is (potential to start another world war) time how long this story is now covered on cnn, bbc and sky. I reckon we’re looking at about a third of their time. Does anyone else remember sports news taking 30 min segments ever? Literally sky are now talking about Nadine Dories book! https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/oct/27/us-asks-qatar-to-turn-down-the-volume-of-al-jazeera-news-coverage I mean who says free press? " Why are you not so Adamant about Yemen then. Why isn't there any pro Yemen rallies is it because its Arab vs Arab? 400000 dead so far. It's because it's Arabs vs Jews is why you are taking a interest. Just like others. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel." You are reading words and making up the meaning… | |||
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"How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? Take out a stop clock. Time how long an interview with a family member of the taken hostages is or even an idf soldier. Time how long an interview with someone in Gaza is. Count how often Israelis are interupted. Count how many times a palestinian supporter is interupted. That sounds almost fair enough, let's do it. We will need to select from similar format of news and determine a way to get a representative sample from each side. Suggestions: Let's time relative Vs relative, then citizen Vs citizen. Let's time total airtime given to each side. Let's count interviews, e.g. we might find 4 long on one side Vs 16 short on the other. Let's then look qualitatively at them (for bonus points). When counting interrupting, let's ensure we get extremist Vs extremist and moderate Vs moderate, as well as citizen Vs citizen. Should be interesting. Seriously. Over and above, given how tense and critical this situations is (potential to start another world war) time how long this story is now covered on cnn, bbc and sky. I reckon we’re looking at about a third of their time. Does anyone else remember sports news taking 30 min segments ever? Literally sky are now talking about Nadine Dories book! https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/oct/27/us-asks-qatar-to-turn-down-the-volume-of-al-jazeera-news-coverage I mean who says free press? Why are you not so Adamant about Yemen then. Why isn't there any pro Yemen rallies is it because its Arab vs Arab? 400000 dead so far. It's because it's Arabs vs Jews is why you are taking a interest. Just like others." If you wish to start a thread on that topic I will happily reply to you there, however this thread was about Michael Moore’s interview, and indirectly therefore about media coverage of the Gaza situation | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. You are reading words and making up the meaning…" How many ways can you define hate? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. You are reading words and making up the meaning… How many ways can you define hate? "Just so that I have this right.. Are you claiming these marchers are marching against Hamas? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. " Insults again… You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. You are reading words and making up the meaning… How many ways can you define hate?
Just so that I have this right..
Are you claiming these marchers are marching against Hamas?"I am stating (not claiming) these people are marching to stop the genocide of Palestinians. No one there is thinking of Hamas. And if Hamas (and I don’t disagree) need to be removed, then what is the excuse for what is going on in the West Bank? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. You are reading words and making up the meaning… How many ways can you define hate?
Just so that I have this right..
Are you claiming these marchers are marching against Hamas?
I am stating (not claiming) these people are marching to stop the genocide of Palestinians. No one there is thinking of Hamas.
And if Hamas (and I don’t disagree) need to be removed, then what is the excuse for what is going on in the West Bank?"So the marchers hate Israel? Hamas are also in the West Bank. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. You are reading words and making up the meaning… How many ways can you define hate?
Just so that I have this right..
Are you claiming these marchers are marching against Hamas?
I am stating (not claiming) these people are marching to stop the genocide of Palestinians. No one there is thinking of Hamas.
And if Hamas (and I don’t disagree) need to be removed, then what is the excuse for what is going on in the West Bank?
So the marchers hate Israel?
Hamas are also in the West Bank. "I think you’ll find the Palestinian Authority govern the west bank, and as mentioned how is calling the end to genocide of the Palestinians a hatred of Israel? It is a sign of solidarity with people who have been displaced from their land, who to this day have their houses possessed by a foreign army, where 10,000+ have died to kill around a 100 hamas soldiers | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. You are reading words and making up the meaning… How many ways can you define hate?
Just so that I have this right..
Are you claiming these marchers are marching against Hamas?
I am stating (not claiming) these people are marching to stop the genocide of Palestinians. No one there is thinking of Hamas.
And if Hamas (and I don’t disagree) need to be removed, then what is the excuse for what is going on in the West Bank?
So the marchers hate Israel?
Hamas are also in the West Bank.
I think you’ll find the Palestinian Authority govern the west bank, and as mentioned how is calling the end to genocide of the Palestinians a hatred of Israel? It is a sign of solidarity with people who have been displaced from their land, who to this day have their houses possessed by a foreign army, where 10,000+ have died to kill around a 100 hamas soldiers"I'm aware of who governs the West Bank. I'm also aware Israel have been fending of rocket attacks from the West Bank all year, do you think those were from PA? Why aren't they marching against Hamas, a proscribed terrorist organisation who oppress their own people? Do me a favour and quit with the emotional language  | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. You are reading words and making up the meaning… How many ways can you define hate?
Just so that I have this right..
Are you claiming these marchers are marching against Hamas?
I am stating (not claiming) these people are marching to stop the genocide of Palestinians. No one there is thinking of Hamas.
And if Hamas (and I don’t disagree) need to be removed, then what is the excuse for what is going on in the West Bank?
So the marchers hate Israel?
Hamas are also in the West Bank.
I think you’ll find the Palestinian Authority govern the west bank, and as mentioned how is calling the end to genocide of the Palestinians a hatred of Israel? It is a sign of solidarity with people who have been displaced from their land, who to this day have their houses possessed by a foreign army, where 10,000+ have died to kill around a 100 hamas soldiers
I'm aware of who governs the West Bank. I'm also aware Israel have been fending of rocket attacks from the West Bank all year, do you think those were from PA?
Why aren't they marching against Hamas, a proscribed terrorist organisation who oppress their own people?
Do me a favour and quit with the emotional language "And I would implore you to look at the 1964 borders, and the current occupation the latter of which has been an international crime since. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… " Where? Certainly no insult was intended. " You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view." No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. You are reading words and making up the meaning… How many ways can you define hate?
Just so that I have this right..
Are you claiming these marchers are marching against Hamas?
I am stating (not claiming) these people are marching to stop the genocide of Palestinians. No one there is thinking of Hamas.
And if Hamas (and I don’t disagree) need to be removed, then what is the excuse for what is going on in the West Bank?
So the marchers hate Israel?
Hamas are also in the West Bank.
I think you’ll find the Palestinian Authority govern the west bank, and as mentioned how is calling the end to genocide of the Palestinians a hatred of Israel? It is a sign of solidarity with people who have been displaced from their land, who to this day have their houses possessed by a foreign army, where 10,000+ have died to kill around a 100 hamas soldiers
I'm aware of who governs the West Bank. I'm also aware Israel have been fending of rocket attacks from the West Bank all year, do you think those were from PA?
Why aren't they marching against Hamas, a proscribed terrorist organisation who oppress their own people?
Do me a favour and quit with the emotional language
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" Why are you not so Adamant about Yemen then. Why isn't there any pro Yemen rallies is it because its Arab vs Arab? 400000 dead so far. It's because it's Arabs vs Jews is why you are taking a interest. Just like others." B-O-R-I-N-G! Firstly, there's no live body count. Seriously, how do we know who's winning? Secondly, how can we feel righteous indignation when we don't know which side to support? It isn't brown vs white, so who is the victim and who is the aggressor? And it's so far away, like miles. Who even cares what Yemen is? It's probably a much smaller country than Israel, who really knows? There are no solidarity societies to join and there's no social justice points to score. Is there even a difference between Saudi Arabia and Iran surely there all just Arabs and they'll sort it out amongst themselves. | |||
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" Why are you not so Adamant about Yemen then. Why isn't there any pro Yemen rallies is it because its Arab vs Arab? 400000 dead so far. It's because it's Arabs vs Jews is why you are taking a interest. Just like others. B-O-R-I-N-G! Firstly, there's no live body count. Seriously, how do we know who's winning? Secondly, how can we feel righteous indignation when we don't know which side to support? It isn't brown vs white, so who is the victim and who is the aggressor? And it's so far away, like miles. Who even cares what Yemen is? It's probably a much smaller country than Israel, who really knows? There are no solidarity societies to join and there's no social justice points to score. Is there even a difference between Saudi Arabia and Iran surely there all just Arabs and they'll sort it out amongst themselves. And isn’t this the problem? You see entertainment, I see 11,400+ dead. As mentioned earlier if you wish to start a thread about Yemen, I will happily condem the Saudi government on that thread. But as this post was initially about Michael Moores interview and therefore indirectly the media, how about we stick to the topic at hand?" See some people understand the power of the media. You choose to single out one issue and ride the bandwagon. Because you are being told to. Welcome to psyops. You fell for it. | |||
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" Why are you not so Adamant about Yemen then. Why isn't there any pro Yemen rallies is it because its Arab vs Arab? 400000 dead so far. It's because it's Arabs vs Jews is why you are taking a interest. Just like others. B-O-R-I-N-G! Firstly, there's no live body count. Seriously, how do we know who's winning? Secondly, how can we feel righteous indignation when we don't know which side to support? It isn't brown vs white, so who is the victim and who is the aggressor? And it's so far away, like miles. Who even cares what Yemen is? It's probably a much smaller country than Israel, who really knows? There are no solidarity societies to join and there's no social justice points to score. Is there even a difference between Saudi Arabia and Iran surely there all just Arabs and they'll sort it out amongst themselves. And isn’t this the problem? You see entertainment, I see 11,400+ dead. As mentioned earlier if you wish to start a thread about Yemen, I will happily condem the Saudi government on that thread. But as this post was initially about Michael Moores interview and therefore indirectly the media, how about we stick to the topic at hand? See some people understand the power of the media. You choose to single out one issue and ride the bandwagon. Because you are being told to. Welcome to psyops. You fell for it." So the reason for the US to say no ceasefire. Is exactly the right thing to do. | |||
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" Why are you not so Adamant about Yemen then. Why isn't there any pro Yemen rallies is it because its Arab vs Arab? 400000 dead so far. It's because it's Arabs vs Jews is why you are taking a interest. Just like others. B-O-R-I-N-G! Firstly, there's no live body count. Seriously, how do we know who's winning? Secondly, how can we feel righteous indignation when we don't know which side to support? It isn't brown vs white, so who is the victim and who is the aggressor? And it's so far away, like miles. Who even cares what Yemen is? It's probably a much smaller country than Israel, who really knows? There are no solidarity societies to join and there's no social justice points to score. Is there even a difference between Saudi Arabia and Iran surely there all just Arabs and they'll sort it out amongst themselves. And isn’t this the problem? You see entertainment, I see 11,400+ dead. As mentioned earlier if you wish to start a thread about Yemen, I will happily condem the Saudi government on that thread. But as this post was initially about Michael Moores interview and therefore indirectly the media, how about we stick to the topic at hand? See some people understand the power of the media. You choose to single out one issue and ride the bandwagon. Because you are being told to. Welcome to psyops. You fell for it. So the reason for the US to say no ceasefire. Is exactly the right thing to do." Or maybe I think you should discuss the topic being discussed? There’s no point writing an essay for a maths test after all? | |||
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" Why are you not so Adamant about Yemen then. Why isn't there any pro Yemen rallies is it because its Arab vs Arab? 400000 dead so far. It's because it's Arabs vs Jews is why you are taking a interest. Just like others. B-O-R-I-N-G! Firstly, there's no live body count. Seriously, how do we know who's winning? Secondly, how can we feel righteous indignation when we don't know which side to support? It isn't brown vs white, so who is the victim and who is the aggressor? And it's so far away, like miles. Who even cares what Yemen is? It's probably a much smaller country than Israel, who really knows? There are no solidarity societies to join and there's no social justice points to score. Is there even a difference between Saudi Arabia and Iran surely there all just Arabs and they'll sort it out amongst themselves. And isn’t this the problem? You see entertainment, I see 11,400+ dead. As mentioned earlier if you wish to start a thread about Yemen, I will happily condem the Saudi government on that thread. But as this post was initially about Michael Moores interview and therefore indirectly the media, how about we stick to the topic at hand? See some people understand the power of the media. You choose to single out one issue and ride the bandwagon. Because you are being told to. Welcome to psyops. You fell for it. So the reason for the US to say no ceasefire. Is exactly the right thing to do. Or maybe I think you should discuss the topic being discussed? There’s no point writing an essay for a maths test after all? "is Michael Moore media? Yes or no? You can't say he isn't. Otherwise you wouldn't know who the hell he is. Media is the topic he represents it. | |||
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" Why are you not so Adamant about Yemen then. Why isn't there any pro Yemen rallies is it because its Arab vs Arab? 400000 dead so far. It's because it's Arabs vs Jews is why you are taking a interest. Just like others. B-O-R-I-N-G! Firstly, there's no live body count. Seriously, how do we know who's winning? Secondly, how can we feel righteous indignation when we don't know which side to support? It isn't brown vs white, so who is the victim and who is the aggressor? And it's so far away, like miles. Who even cares what Yemen is? It's probably a much smaller country than Israel, who really knows? There are no solidarity societies to join and there's no social justice points to score. Is there even a difference between Saudi Arabia and Iran surely there all just Arabs and they'll sort it out amongst themselves. And isn’t this the problem? You see entertainment, I see 11,400+ dead. As mentioned earlier if you wish to start a thread about Yemen, I will happily condem the Saudi government on that thread. But as this post was initially about Michael Moores interview and therefore indirectly the media, how about we stick to the topic at hand? See some people understand the power of the media. You choose to single out one issue and ride the bandwagon. Because you are being told to. Welcome to psyops. You fell for it. So the reason for the US to say no ceasefire. Is exactly the right thing to do. Or maybe I think you should discuss the topic being discussed? There’s no point writing an essay for a maths test after all? is Michael Moore media? Yes or no? You can't say he isn't. Otherwise you wouldn't know who the hell he is. Media is the topic he represents it." | |||
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" Why are you not so Adamant about Yemen then. Why isn't there any pro Yemen rallies is it because its Arab vs Arab? 400000 dead so far. It's because it's Arabs vs Jews is why you are taking a interest. Just like others. B-O-R-I-N-G! Firstly, there's no live body count. Seriously, how do we know who's winning? Secondly, how can we feel righteous indignation when we don't know which side to support? It isn't brown vs white, so who is the victim and who is the aggressor? And it's so far away, like miles. Who even cares what Yemen is? It's probably a much smaller country than Israel, who really knows? There are no solidarity societies to join and there's no social justice points to score. Is there even a difference between Saudi Arabia and Iran surely there all just Arabs and they'll sort it out amongst themselves. And isn’t this the problem? You see entertainment, I see 11,400+ dead. As mentioned earlier if you wish to start a thread about Yemen, I will happily condem the Saudi government on that thread. But as this post was initially about Michael Moores interview and therefore indirectly the media, how about we stick to the topic at hand? See some people understand the power of the media. You choose to single out one issue and ride the bandwagon. Because you are being told to. Welcome to psyops. You fell for it. So the reason for the US to say no ceasefire. Is exactly the right thing to do. Or maybe I think you should discuss the topic being discussed? There’s no point writing an essay for a maths test after all? is Michael Moore media? Yes or no? You can't say he isn't. Otherwise you wouldn't know who the hell he is. Media is the topic he represents it. "DIP it's a acronym. You fell for it.  | |||
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"Dip: Deceptive imagery perception. It's a warfare tactic. Michael Moore for example. Hamas another. The marches there this weekend. Another. It's a tactic to gain support for a cause even though that cause is falliable. Hamas can't beat the IDF on the battlefield. They are using Empathy of others to gain control at the cost of Palestinian civilians. I mentioned Yemen because it's not a trending perception. No one has ever mentioned Yemen on these forums. Yet people took up offense because of DIP. Strange isn't it. Have empathy for one and yet not others because of media. So Michael Moore is just as guilty." So if you are for Hamas you are playing into their strategy as what it was intended to do. Use the Palestinians deaths as a tool to gain global support. The tragedy here is it is working. Clearly. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
"Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza? " Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes……." | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
"The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence. Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen? For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
"Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza. " For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped" Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it. "Would you be happier if discussion and opinion was closed down, except for how you think and feel? That’s the left norm now isn’t? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
Would you be happier if discussion and opinion was closed down, except for how you think and feel?
That’s the left norm now isn’t? "What? I'm pro people expressing their opinions and dissent. This is what the entire conversation is about. Why do you have such a weird view of "the left"? What's this got to do with me or the conversation? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
Would you be happier if discussion and opinion was closed down, except for how you think and feel?
That’s the left norm now isn’t?
What?
I'm pro people expressing their opinions and dissent. This is what the entire conversation is about.
Why do you have such a weird view of "the left"? What's this got to do with me or the conversation?
"The left are always trying to close down alternative views, I’m not going into a long drawn out discussion on this as it is widely understood, and you need only look at the state of universities and their closed shop thinking to understand this is a thing… | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
Would you be happier if discussion and opinion was closed down, except for how you think and feel?
That’s the left norm now isn’t?
What?
I'm pro people expressing their opinions and dissent. This is what the entire conversation is about.
Why do you have such a weird view of "the left"? What's this got to do with me or the conversation?
The left are always trying to close down alternative views, I’m not going into a long drawn out discussion on this as it is widely understood, and you need only look at the state of universities and their closed shop thinking to understand this is a thing… "Widely misunderstood. If you look at the situation with this protest and the situation in Gaza. It's not the left trying to close down alternative points of view such as being against genocide or being pro-freedom of expressing dissent. You're free to hold your opinion that the more important story here is something that might or might not happen during a protest. And others are free to hold the opinion that what's going on in Gaza is significantly more important. Not sure why you feel like you're being shut down. No one told you you can't express your thoughts. You just jumped to 'the left shutting down opinions ' as soon as yours was discussed. | |||
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"Tragedy is... There's war crimes being committed in both sides. Politicians in the west are either ignorant or sinical hypocrites Option B. Those bombs and other military supplies won't purchase themselves. Some tidy profit being made out of all these civilian deaths. " Option B wouldn't come into play if other governments and fanatics wouldn't attack other governments civilians. You don't need option B to cause carnage. Let's just say a few airplanes served that purpose correct? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it. "It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely | |||
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"Tragedy is... There's war crimes being committed in both sides. Politicians in the west are either ignorant or sinical hypocrites Option B. Those bombs and other military supplies won't purchase themselves. Some tidy profit being made out of all these civilian deaths. Option B wouldn't come into play if other governments and fanatics wouldn't attack other governments civilians. You don't need option B to cause carnage. Let's just say a few airplanes served that purpose correct? " Indeed. Still, best sell billions of £ worth of arms to Israel quick before this opportunity ends. Good job our politicians prioritise profits over human life. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely"Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do. Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet? | |||
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"Tragedy is... There's war crimes being committed in both sides. Politicians in the west are either ignorant or sinical hypocrites Option B. Those bombs and other military supplies won't purchase themselves. Some tidy profit being made out of all these civilian deaths. Option B wouldn't come into play if other governments and fanatics wouldn't attack other governments civilians. You don't need option B to cause carnage. Let's just say a few airplanes served that purpose correct? Indeed. Still, best sell billions of £ worth of arms to Israel quick before this opportunity ends. Good job our politicians prioritise profits over human life. "Just like Hamas. They just have a smaller budget.Unless you want Iran to supply them more to keep up with the IDF. That would be a logical choice for you. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet? "Some like myself see both as very important situations and see both widely reported which is how it should be. Since this all started the situation in Israel and Gaza has been headline news daily and still is so I don't see the protest story as disproportionate in any way. As the protest draws closer it maybe getting a bit more attention than before but that's natural and in no way distracts from the Israel / Gaza situation. Unless you think the protest story should not be reported, I don't understand your point | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet? "I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general. People can be concerned about more than one thing.... | |||
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"Dip: Deceptive imagery perception. It's a warfare tactic. Michael Moore for example. Hamas another. The marches there this weekend. Another. It's a tactic to gain support for a cause even though that cause is falliable. Hamas can't beat the IDF on the battlefield. They are using Empathy of others to gain control at the cost of Palestinian civilians. I mentioned Yemen because it's not a trending perception. No one has ever mentioned Yemen on these forums. Yet people took up offense because of DIP. Strange isn't it. Have empathy for one and yet not others because of media. So Michael Moore is just as guilty. So if you are for Hamas you are playing into their strategy as what it was intended to do. Use the Palestinians deaths as a tool to gain global support. The tragedy here is it is working. Clearly." This . | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing...."Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant | |||
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"Dip: Deceptive imagery perception. It's a warfare tactic. Michael Moore for example. Hamas another. The marches there this weekend. Another. It's a tactic to gain support for a cause even though that cause is falliable. Hamas can't beat the IDF on the battlefield. They are using Empathy of others to gain control at the cost of Palestinian civilians. I mentioned Yemen because it's not a trending perception. No one has ever mentioned Yemen on these forums. Yet people took up offense because of DIP. Strange isn't it. Have empathy for one and yet not others because of media. So Michael Moore is just as guilty. So if you are for Hamas you are playing into their strategy as what it was intended to do. Use the Palestinians deaths as a tool to gain global support. The tragedy here is it is working. Clearly.This ."As mentioned before, if you wish to discuss Yemen, start another thread and bring attention to the topic, as for being on this post, you certainly are using DIP by diverting from the topic in hand of the media role in this conflict. If you think Michael Moore, Hamas, the marchers etc… are using sympathy of the Palestinian people, do you not think that sympathy is justified? | |||
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" Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant" Well actually... 100/100000=1/1000=0.1% | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant"How many jihad's did it to take so many lives on 9/11? It's not statistically insignificant. | |||
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" Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant Well actually... 100/100000=1/1000=0.1% "Wow! It’s bad that I’m an accountant and missed multiplying by 100!  | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant How many jihad's did it to take so many lives on 9/11? It's not statistically insignificant."it wasn't 100 | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant How many jihad's did it to take so many lives on 9/11? It's not statistically insignificant."Ok you’re right, we’ll tar and punish the 99% collectively for the actions of the 1% | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant How many jihad's did it to take so many lives on 9/11? It's not statistically insignificant. it wasn't 100"https://images.app.goo.gl/JLKnt9EUHQzxQayZ7 This was the crowd on a side street (away from the actual Palestinian Protest) who chanted Jihad. Count them? I went to 100 because there was video of this and I am estimating given the size of the road and how full it was | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant"Do you think they should be dealt with under the laws of the country or left to continue the hatred unchecked? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant How many jihad's did it to take so many lives on 9/11? It's not statistically insignificant.
Ok you’re right, we’ll tar and punish the 99% collectively for the actions of the 1%
"That is not what is being discussed by anyone else but you and another poster. Nobody but you and another poster has mentioned the 99% of people being punished. We are talking about the police dealing with those who are chanting terrorist chants and calling for genocide. Is that okay in your world? Let them do what they want? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant
Do you think they should be dealt with under the laws of the country or left to continue the hatred unchecked?
"They should be dealt with under the laws of the country. Unfortunately you are going to struggle to get a conviction because the true literal translation of Jihad is struggle, which has a broad definition for example struggle with your ego, struggle to overcome illness etc… now I am aware of the intention and purpose these people were using the term for which was the holy war meaning, however they will plead different and so the case will collapse. | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant How many jihad's did it to take so many lives on 9/11? It's not statistically insignificant.
Ok you’re right, we’ll tar and punish the 99% collectively for the actions of the 1%
That is not what is being discussed by anyone else but you and another poster. Nobody but you and another poster has mentioned the 99% of people being punished. We are talking about the police dealing with those who are chanting terrorist chants and calling for genocide.
Is that okay in your world? Let them do what they want?
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"Tragedy is... There's war crimes being committed in both sides. Politicians in the west are either ignorant or sinical hypocrites Option B. Those bombs and other military supplies won't purchase themselves. Some tidy profit being made out of all these civilian deaths. Option B wouldn't come into play if other governments and fanatics wouldn't attack other governments civilians. You don't need option B to cause carnage. Let's just say a few airplanes served that purpose correct? Indeed. Still, best sell billions of £ worth of arms to Israel quick before this opportunity ends. Good job our politicians prioritise profits over human life. Just like Hamas. They just have a smaller budget.Unless you want Iran to supply them more to keep up with the IDF. That would be a logical choice for you."As long as it makes money, who cares about the innocent civilians being killed? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant How many jihad's did it to take so many lives on 9/11? It's not statistically insignificant.
Ok you’re right, we’ll tar and punish the 99% collectively for the actions of the 1%
That is not what is being discussed by anyone else but you and another poster. Nobody but you and another poster has mentioned the 99% of people being punished. We are talking about the police dealing with those who are chanting terrorist chants and calling for genocide.
Is that okay in your world? Let them do what they want?
What was being discussed was the Michael Moore interview (see the Ops first post)
See my response above for the other answer"Conversation is definitely about the protest in this part of the thread.... Would that account for you being out of step and in some way supporting the chanting because of the % of people doing that is not significant enough for you? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant How many jihad's did it to take so many lives on 9/11? It's not statistically insignificant.
Ok you’re right, we’ll tar and punish the 99% collectively for the actions of the 1%
That is not what is being discussed by anyone else but you and another poster. Nobody but you and another poster has mentioned the 99% of people being punished. We are talking about the police dealing with those who are chanting terrorist chants and calling for genocide.
Is that okay in your world? Let them do what they want?
What was being discussed was the Michael Moore interview (see the Ops first post)
See my response above for the other answer
Conversation is definitely about the protest in this part of the thread.... Would that account for you being out of step and in some way supporting the chanting because of the % of people doing that is not significant enough for you?
"Yet the whole purpose of this thread was the Michael Moore interview. If you wish to discuss the protests maybe use that thread? Or even the Surlla Braverman one as it’s more similar to topic. As for me being out of step, I can acknowledge the pain of the Israelis who have lost their lives or have family members taken at force, I can acknowledge that the small minority who called for Jihad should be taken to court. Can you acknowledge the pain of 11500 + dead palestinians. Can you acknowledge that the death of 4500+ children is unaceptable? Can you acknowledge that the number of orphans created are more likely to increase the Hamas ranks, as according to their leader in Qatar 85% of them were orphans? If you can’t acknowledge this maybe you are out of step with humanity | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant How many jihad's did it to take so many lives on 9/11? It's not statistically insignificant.
Ok you’re right, we’ll tar and punish the 99% collectively for the actions of the 1%
That is not what is being discussed by anyone else but you and another poster. Nobody but you and another poster has mentioned the 99% of people being punished. We are talking about the police dealing with those who are chanting terrorist chants and calling for genocide.
Is that okay in your world? Let them do what they want?
What was being discussed was the Michael Moore interview (see the Ops first post)
See my response above for the other answer
Conversation is definitely about the protest in this part of the thread.... Would that account for you being out of step and in some way supporting the chanting because of the % of people doing that is not significant enough for you?
Yet the whole purpose of this thread was the Michael Moore interview. If you wish to discuss the protests maybe use that thread? Or even the Surlla Braverman one as it’s more similar to topic.
As for me being out of step, I can acknowledge the pain of the Israelis who have lost their lives or have family members taken at force, I can acknowledge that the small minority who called for Jihad should be taken to court.
Can you acknowledge the pain of 11500 + dead palestinians.
Can you acknowledge that the death of 4500+ children is unaceptable?
Can you acknowledge that the number of orphans created are more likely to increase the Hamas ranks, as according to their leader in Qatar 85% of them were orphans?
If you can’t acknowledge this maybe you are out of step with humanity"The reality is it's war. You fail to grasp what war is. So I will acknowledge that fact that people die. Name one war where civilians didn't? | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant How many jihad's did it to take so many lives on 9/11? It's not statistically insignificant.
Ok you’re right, we’ll tar and punish the 99% collectively for the actions of the 1%
That is not what is being discussed by anyone else but you and another poster. Nobody but you and another poster has mentioned the 99% of people being punished. We are talking about the police dealing with those who are chanting terrorist chants and calling for genocide.
Is that okay in your world? Let them do what they want?
What was being discussed was the Michael Moore interview (see the Ops first post)
See my response above for the other answer
Conversation is definitely about the protest in this part of the thread.... Would that account for you being out of step and in some way supporting the chanting because of the % of people doing that is not significant enough for you?
Yet the whole purpose of this thread was the Michael Moore interview. If you wish to discuss the protests maybe use that thread? Or even the Surlla Braverman one as it’s more similar to topic.
As for me being out of step, I can acknowledge the pain of the Israelis who have lost their lives or have family members taken at force, I can acknowledge that the small minority who called for Jihad should be taken to court.
Can you acknowledge the pain of 11500 + dead palestinians.
Can you acknowledge that the death of 4500+ children is unaceptable?
Can you acknowledge that the number of orphans created are more likely to increase the Hamas ranks, as according to their leader in Qatar 85% of them were orphans?
If you can’t acknowledge this maybe you are out of step with humanity The reality is it's war. You fail to grasp what war is. So I will acknowledge that fact that people die. Name one war where civilians didn't? "Even war has laws | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant How many jihad's did it to take so many lives on 9/11? It's not statistically insignificant.
Ok you’re right, we’ll tar and punish the 99% collectively for the actions of the 1%
That is not what is being discussed by anyone else but you and another poster. Nobody but you and another poster has mentioned the 99% of people being punished. We are talking about the police dealing with those who are chanting terrorist chants and calling for genocide.
Is that okay in your world? Let them do what they want?
What was being discussed was the Michael Moore interview (see the Ops first post)
See my response above for the other answer
Conversation is definitely about the protest in this part of the thread.... Would that account for you being out of step and in some way supporting the chanting because of the % of people doing that is not significant enough for you?
Yet the whole purpose of this thread was the Michael Moore interview. If you wish to discuss the protests maybe use that thread? Or even the Surlla Braverman one as it’s more similar to topic.
As for me being out of step, I can acknowledge the pain of the Israelis who have lost their lives or have family members taken at force, I can acknowledge that the small minority who called for Jihad should be taken to court.
Can you acknowledge the pain of 11500 + dead palestinians.
Can you acknowledge that the death of 4500+ children is unaceptable?
Can you acknowledge that the number of orphans created are more likely to increase the Hamas ranks, as according to their leader in Qatar 85% of them were orphans?
If you can’t acknowledge this maybe you are out of step with humanity"I think you have oversold yourself as a mod or owner of the forum, threads will turn in different directions and I was responding to you, and it was you discussing the protests. Going back to your next question, of course I feel for innocent Palestinians, as I feel for the families and people of Israel. But I also recognise terrorists sympathisers on UK soil who should not be ignored by the police for the easy way out | |||
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant How many jihad's did it to take so many lives on 9/11? It's not statistically insignificant.
Ok you’re right, we’ll tar and punish the 99% collectively for the actions of the 1%
That is not what is being discussed by anyone else but you and another poster. Nobody but you and another poster has mentioned the 99% of people being punished. We are talking about the police dealing with those who are chanting terrorist chants and calling for genocide.
Is that okay in your world? Let them do what they want?
What was being discussed was the Michael Moore interview (see the Ops first post)
See my response above for the other answer
Conversation is definitely about the protest in this part of the thread.... Would that account for you being out of step and in some way supporting the chanting because of the % of people doing that is not significant enough for you?
Yet the whole purpose of this thread was the Michael Moore interview. If you wish to discuss the protests maybe use that thread? Or even the Surlla Braverman one as it’s more similar to topic.
As for me being out of step, I can acknowledge the pain of the Israelis who have lost their lives or have family members taken at force, I can acknowledge that the small minority who called for Jihad should be taken to court.
Can you acknowledge the pain of 11500 + dead palestinians.
Can you acknowledge that the death of 4500+ children is unaceptable?
Can you acknowledge that the number of orphans created are more likely to increase the Hamas ranks, as according to their leader in Qatar 85% of them were orphans?
If you can’t acknowledge this maybe you are out of step with humanity The reality is it's war. You fail to grasp what war is. So I will acknowledge that fact that people die. Name one war where civilians didn't?
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"RT was taken off UK TV for showing a Russian angle to Ukraine.Al Jazeera is still showing on UK TV despite a clear pro Hamas bias.Hypocrisy.This, al jazeera is very pro hamas and the way they are reporting and interviewing about it, is reflecting that too. Is it pro-hamas or anti-genocide. Those things seem to be interchangeable with some people. It cannot both pro Hamas and anti genocide, since Hamas is pro genocide (read their charter). Indeed. But Braverman is conflating the two on purpose, suggesting that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas. It's a tactic to discredit people expressing dissent. It's very effective. I mean agreed, but wouldn’t you say the BBC and CNN and Sky news are pro-israeli? How is the BBC more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian? I think this one is for someone else. What exactly has Braverman said that made you claim she has suggested that people protesting against the mass killings of civilians in Palestine are pro Hamas? I have ot heard or read this, and I would like to be pointed in the right direction to read about this myslef. If people marching against genocide is a “hate march” and it is Hamas who we hate, she has conflated the two to dog whistle. We’re approaching the final acts of a desperate government both here and in Israel. I don't think it's a final act, it's an effective tactic. People like the chap you're replying to can't get enough of this kind of thing. Insults again… Where? Certainly no insult was intended. You are failing to accept the whole picture, it is really difficult to converse with such an opinionated view. No, I am agreeing with you. We should focus on a minority of protestors and what they may or may not do, and not even think for a moment about what's happening in Gaza.
Let’s stop this nonsense….
If you can’t see that what is being called out is the minority of thugs and supporters of terrorist organisations through chants and flags, and not the majority that want to show their support for a ceasefire, there is no conversation.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere. Why do you think that some people, including members of our own government, and sections of the press are focussing on this instead of what's going on in Gaza?
Peaceful protests only, outside of that the people causing the trouble should feel the full force of UK law, after all it is eroding the gains a peaceful protest makes…….
The focus is on illegal activity that has been seen at the protests, such as, terrorist flags being waved, death threats being chanted, genocide being called for, vandalism and violence.
Are you seriously suggesting that those things should be allowed to happen?
Nope, it's quite clear. I'm questioning why elements of the government and media are focussing on the potential for something like this to happen. Instead of focussing on what's happening in Gaza. Look at the front pages of the right wing press websites last couple of days. It's all about this same protest stuff. And nothing about Gaza.
For the last time... Nobody is asking for a peaceful protest to be stopped
Although the protest hasn't started yet and people are kicking off about it.
It looks like plenty of attention is given to both the situation in Palestine/ Israel and also the situation with protests here in the UK. Both are worthy news and should be reported widely
Some people might consider our government supporting the nation causing the deaths of over 10,000 civilians to be more newsworthy than a protest at the weekend and what some people might or might not do.
Can you think why elements of the government and media want us to worry more about a potential for misbehaviour at a protest that hasn't happened yet?
I'm trying to think why you would be hellbent on trying to take attention off the terrorist chanting and calls for genocide at these protests, and the protests in general.
People can be concerned about more than one thing....
Because there were 100 people chanting Jihad. The march was 100,000. Therefore 0.001% was supporting terrorist ideologies, so turning it into a story is pretty futile, given statistically it is insignificant How many jihad's did it to take so many lives on 9/11? It's not statistically insignificant.
Ok you’re right, we’ll tar and punish the 99% collectively for the actions of the 1%
That is not what is being discussed by anyone else but you and another poster. Nobody but you and another poster has mentioned the 99% of people being punished. We are talking about the police dealing with those who are chanting terrorist chants and calling for genocide.
Is that okay in your world? Let them do what they want?
What was being discussed was the Michael Moore interview (see the Ops first post)
See my response above for the other answer
Conversation is definitely about the protest in this part of the thread.... Would that account for you being out of step and in some way supporting the chanting because of the % of people doing that is not significant enough for you?
Yet the whole purpose of this thread was the Michael Moore interview. If you wish to discuss the protests maybe use that thread? Or even the Surlla Braverman one as it’s more similar to topic.
As for me being out of step, I can acknowledge the pain of the Israelis who have lost their lives or have family members taken at force, I can acknowledge that the small minority who called for Jihad should be taken to court.
Can you acknowledge the pain of 11500 + dead palestinians.
Can you acknowledge that the death of 4500+ children is unaceptable?
Can you acknowledge that the number of orphans created are more likely to increase the Hamas ranks, as according to their leader in Qatar 85% of them were orphans?
If you can’t acknowledge this maybe you are out of step with humanity The reality is it's war. You fail to grasp what war is. So I will acknowledge that fact that people die. Name one war where civilians didn't?
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"Tragedy is... There's war crimes being committed in both sides. Politicians in the west are either ignorant or sinical hypocrites Option B. Those bombs and other military supplies won't purchase themselves. Some tidy profit being made out of all these civilian deaths. Option B wouldn't come into play if other governments and fanatics wouldn't attack other governments civilians. You don't need option B to cause carnage. Let's just say a few airplanes served that purpose correct? Indeed. Still, best sell billions of £ worth of arms to Israel quick before this opportunity ends. Good job our politicians prioritise profits over human life. "Always have done | |||
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