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"Did any one ever visited this website over the last few elections with the next election coming up and manifestos to soon be released. I'm eagerly waiting to see how people end up voting vs what policies they favour." unfortunately ( And in my opinion , sadly ) I will not be voting "for" policies at the next General Election , my vote will be tactically to get rid of the Conservative party | |||
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"Did any one ever visited this website over the last few elections with the next election coming up and manifestos to soon be released. I'm eagerly waiting to see how people end up voting vs what policies they favour. unfortunately ( And in my opinion , sadly ) I will not be voting "for" policies at the next General Election , my vote will be tactically to get rid of the Conservative party Even if that vote is detrimental?" nothing detrimental in getting the Conservatives out ,, | |||
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"Did any one ever visited this website over the last few elections with the next election coming up and manifestos to soon be released. I'm eagerly waiting to see how people end up voting vs what policies they favour. unfortunately ( And in my opinion , sadly ) I will not be voting "for" policies at the next General Election , my vote will be tactically to get rid of the Conservative party Even if that vote is detrimental? nothing detrimental in getting the Conservatives out ,, " I'd very well could be. You don't care about policies as long as it gets the Tories out. That's a very dangerous line to walk. | |||
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"Did any one ever visited this website over the last few elections with the next election coming up and manifestos to soon be released. I'm eagerly waiting to see how people end up voting vs what policies they favour. unfortunately ( And in my opinion , sadly ) I will not be voting "for" policies at the next General Election , my vote will be tactically to get rid of the Conservative party Even if that vote is detrimental? nothing detrimental in getting the Conservatives out ,, I'd very well could be. You don't care about policies as long as it gets the Tories out. That's a very dangerous line to walk. " if you read my original message I do say it is with sadness I will be voting this way , have previously always looked at what each party offers , have voted in the past against the party that will benefit me personally and voted for the party I believe will have benefitted the country , from what I can see leading up to the next General Election getting rid of the tories will benefit the country | |||
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"Did any one ever visited this website over the last few elections with the next election coming up and manifestos to soon be released. I'm eagerly waiting to see how people end up voting vs what policies they favour. unfortunately ( And in my opinion , sadly ) I will not be voting "for" policies at the next General Election , my vote will be tactically to get rid of the Conservative party Even if that vote is detrimental? nothing detrimental in getting the Conservatives out ,, I'd very well could be. You don't care about policies as long as it gets the Tories out. That's a very dangerous line to walk. if you read my original message I do say it is with sadness I will be voting this way , have previously always looked at what each party offers , have voted in the past against the party that will benefit me personally and voted for the party I believe will have benefitted the country , from what I can see leading up to the next General Election getting rid of the tories will benefit the country " I understand why you want the Tories out. I just don't agree that ANY party that gets them out can't be detrimental. | |||
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"Did any one ever visited this website over the last few elections with the next election coming up and manifestos to soon be released. I'm eagerly waiting to see how people end up voting vs what policies they favour. unfortunately ( And in my opinion , sadly ) I will not be voting "for" policies at the next General Election , my vote will be tactically to get rid of the Conservative party Even if that vote is detrimental? nothing detrimental in getting the Conservatives out ,, I'd very well could be. You don't care about policies as long as it gets the Tories out. That's a very dangerous line to walk. if you read my original message I do say it is with sadness I will be voting this way , have previously always looked at what each party offers , have voted in the past against the party that will benefit me personally and voted for the party I believe will have benefitted the country , from what I can see leading up to the next General Election getting rid of the tories will benefit the country I understand why you want the Tories out. I just don't agree that ANY party that gets them out can't be detrimental." . fair point , but the choice , via the first past the post system , isn't really going to be "any" party , my tactical vote appears to be either Labour or LibDem , neither of which I would class myself as a natural supporter , my ideal outcome would be a Labour victory with LibDem and maybe SNP preventing a majority government with PR being introduced prior to the next election so I could vote for who I wanted rather than who I don't want ,,, | |||
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"Did any one ever visited this website over the last few elections with the next election coming up and manifestos to soon be released. I'm eagerly waiting to see how people end up voting vs what policies they favour. unfortunately ( And in my opinion , sadly ) I will not be voting "for" policies at the next General Election , my vote will be tactically to get rid of the Conservative party Even if that vote is detrimental? nothing detrimental in getting the Conservatives out ,, I'd very well could be. You don't care about policies as long as it gets the Tories out. That's a very dangerous line to walk. if you read my original message I do say it is with sadness I will be voting this way , have previously always looked at what each party offers , have voted in the past against the party that will benefit me personally and voted for the party I believe will have benefitted the country , from what I can see leading up to the next General Election getting rid of the tories will benefit the country I understand why you want the Tories out. I just don't agree that ANY party that gets them out can't be detrimental.. fair point , but the choice , via the first past the post system , isn't really going to be "any" party , my tactical vote appears to be either Labour or LibDem , neither of which I would class myself as a natural supporter , my ideal outcome would be a Labour victory with LibDem and maybe SNP preventing a majority government with PR being introduced prior to the next election so I could vote for who I wanted rather than who I don't want ,,, " The SNP are gonna struggle themselves according to polling. Labour should win but honestly they seem to be making it difficult for themselves. They may need LibDem to top them up. PR isn't coming unless someone, somehow manages to beat both Tory & Labour, which I would think impossible. | |||
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"Did any one ever visited this website over the last few elections with the next election coming up and manifestos to soon be released. I'm eagerly waiting to see how people end up voting vs what policies they favour. unfortunately ( And in my opinion , sadly ) I will not be voting "for" policies at the next General Election , my vote will be tactically to get rid of the Conservative party Even if that vote is detrimental? nothing detrimental in getting the Conservatives out ,, I'd very well could be. You don't care about policies as long as it gets the Tories out. That's a very dangerous line to walk. if you read my original message I do say it is with sadness I will be voting this way , have previously always looked at what each party offers , have voted in the past against the party that will benefit me personally and voted for the party I believe will have benefitted the country , from what I can see leading up to the next General Election getting rid of the tories will benefit the country I understand why you want the Tories out. I just don't agree that ANY party that gets them out can't be detrimental.. fair point , but the choice , via the first past the post system , isn't really going to be "any" party , my tactical vote appears to be either Labour or LibDem , neither of which I would class myself as a natural supporter , my ideal outcome would be a Labour victory with LibDem and maybe SNP preventing a majority government with PR being introduced prior to the next election so I could vote for who I wanted rather than who I don't want ,,, The SNP are gonna struggle themselves according to polling. Labour should win but honestly they seem to be making it difficult for themselves. They may need LibDem to top them up. PR isn't coming unless someone, somehow manages to beat both Tory & Labour, which I would think impossible. " The SNP took a steady, progressive and competent party (them) and spent the last decade pissing it all away. And do not vote Green without reading up on the costs to the public incurred by the policy failures of the Snp/Green coalition of the seriously suspect. Obviously, don't vote for tories or labour, they are just two cheeks of the same arse. | |||
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"Did any one ever visited this website over the last few elections with the next election coming up and manifestos to soon be released. I'm eagerly waiting to see how people end up voting vs what policies they favour. unfortunately ( And in my opinion , sadly ) I will not be voting "for" policies at the next General Election , my vote will be tactically to get rid of the Conservative party Even if that vote is detrimental? nothing detrimental in getting the Conservatives out ,, I'd very well could be. You don't care about policies as long as it gets the Tories out. That's a very dangerous line to walk. if you read my original message I do say it is with sadness I will be voting this way , have previously always looked at what each party offers , have voted in the past against the party that will benefit me personally and voted for the party I believe will have benefitted the country , from what I can see leading up to the next General Election getting rid of the tories will benefit the country I understand why you want the Tories out. I just don't agree that ANY party that gets them out can't be detrimental.. fair point , but the choice , via the first past the post system , isn't really going to be "any" party , my tactical vote appears to be either Labour or LibDem , neither of which I would class myself as a natural supporter , my ideal outcome would be a Labour victory with LibDem and maybe SNP preventing a majority government with PR being introduced prior to the next election so I could vote for who I wanted rather than who I don't want ,,, The SNP are gonna struggle themselves according to polling. Labour should win but honestly they seem to be making it difficult for themselves. They may need LibDem to top them up. PR isn't coming unless someone, somehow manages to beat both Tory & Labour, which I would think impossible. " That why I hope for labour to win with libdem / SNP holding balance of power and getting PR installed ,,, otherwise we get the situation with me voting purely to get rid of the Conservatives and not voting for what I want ,,,,, (just to avoid any confusion or misunderstanding, which ever voting system we have i want the tories out ) | |||
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"Did any one ever visited this website over the last few elections with the next election coming up and manifestos to soon be released. I'm eagerly waiting to see how people end up voting vs what policies they favour. unfortunately ( And in my opinion , sadly ) I will not be voting "for" policies at the next General Election , my vote will be tactically to get rid of the Conservative party Even if that vote is detrimental? nothing detrimental in getting the Conservatives out ,, I'd very well could be. You don't care about policies as long as it gets the Tories out. That's a very dangerous line to walk. if you read my original message I do say it is with sadness I will be voting this way , have previously always looked at what each party offers , have voted in the past against the party that will benefit me personally and voted for the party I believe will have benefitted the country , from what I can see leading up to the next General Election getting rid of the tories will benefit the country I understand why you want the Tories out. I just don't agree that ANY party that gets them out can't be detrimental." Given that in the vast majority of seats it’ll be lab or Lib Dem that oust them (in England at least) I’d say that any realistic candidate that ousts a Tory will be a better proposition. | |||
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"Did any one ever visited this website over the last few elections with the next election coming up and manifestos to soon be released. I'm eagerly waiting to see how people end up voting vs what policies they favour. unfortunately ( And in my opinion , sadly ) I will not be voting "for" policies at the next General Election , my vote will be tactically to get rid of the Conservative party Even if that vote is detrimental? nothing detrimental in getting the Conservatives out ,, I'd very well could be. You don't care about policies as long as it gets the Tories out. That's a very dangerous line to walk. if you read my original message I do say it is with sadness I will be voting this way , have previously always looked at what each party offers , have voted in the past against the party that will benefit me personally and voted for the party I believe will have benefitted the country , from what I can see leading up to the next General Election getting rid of the tories will benefit the country I understand why you want the Tories out. I just don't agree that ANY party that gets them out can't be detrimental." Agree with this. | |||
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"Did any one ever visited this website over the last few elections with the next election coming up and manifestos to soon be released. I'm eagerly waiting to see how people end up voting vs what policies they favour. unfortunately ( And in my opinion , sadly ) I will not be voting "for" policies at the next General Election , my vote will be tactically to get rid of the Conservative party Even if that vote is detrimental? nothing detrimental in getting the Conservatives out ,, I'd very well could be. You don't care about policies as long as it gets the Tories out. That's a very dangerous line to walk. if you read my original message I do say it is with sadness I will be voting this way , have previously always looked at what each party offers , have voted in the past against the party that will benefit me personally and voted for the party I believe will have benefitted the country , from what I can see leading up to the next General Election getting rid of the tories will benefit the country I understand why you want the Tories out. I just don't agree that ANY party that gets them out can't be detrimental. Agree with this." . which party / parties if a coalition , who have a realistic chance of winning the next General Election do you think would be worse than the Conservatives have been ? | |||
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"Personally I won’t be voting. Things can change very quickly but at the moment my expectation is for a Labour outright victory on the back of a collapsed voter turnout. In my opinion the country desperately needs a Labour government asap, which will 100% be a dismal failure. Expect continued NHS collapse, economic stagnation, increased taxes, woke cultural policies with an accompanying crackdown on free speech and dissent, fanatical pursuit of the net zero delusion with accompanying energy blackouts and car manufacturer bailouts, 1 million immigrants net per year, and continued public sector failure. The sooner the country gets on with the forthcoming collapse the sooner the recovery can begin. " Could the tories have done anything to aid recovery in the past 13 years, do you reckon? | |||
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"All my life it has been the tories or labour and it looks like more of the same until this system is changed I will never vote again and I am not alone. You turn out to vote if you want to this guy is not for voting, until a better system of a two party system is gone." Apathy may keep the Tories in power, is that what you want? | |||
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"Personally I won’t be voting. Things can change very quickly but at the moment my expectation is for a Labour outright victory on the back of a collapsed voter turnout. In my opinion the country desperately needs a Labour government asap, which will 100% be a dismal failure. Expect continued NHS collapse, economic stagnation, increased taxes, woke cultural policies with an accompanying crackdown on free speech and dissent, fanatical pursuit of the net zero delusion with accompanying energy blackouts and car manufacturer bailouts, 1 million immigrants net per year, and continued public sector failure. The sooner the country gets on with the forthcoming collapse the sooner the recovery can begin. " I see this playing out, some parts not in full but on the trajectory you describe. Labour are needed to say we have had a change, they will blame the tories for the mess and justify their spending accordingly. This will go on for a whole term and possibly into a second, at some point when the country is near bankruptcy the tories will come back into power and need to bring in measures to control debt. Around we go again... | |||
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"Personally I won’t be voting. Things can change very quickly but at the moment my expectation is for a Labour outright victory on the back of a collapsed voter turnout. In my opinion the country desperately needs a Labour government asap, which will 100% be a dismal failure. Expect continued NHS collapse, economic stagnation, increased taxes, woke cultural policies with an accompanying crackdown on free speech and dissent, fanatical pursuit of the net zero delusion with accompanying energy blackouts and car manufacturer bailouts, 1 million immigrants net per year, and continued public sector failure. The sooner the country gets on with the forthcoming collapse the sooner the recovery can begin. I see this playing out, some parts not in full but on the trajectory you describe. Labour are needed to say we have had a change, they will blame the tories for the mess and justify their spending accordingly. This will go on for a whole term and possibly into a second, at some point when the country is near bankruptcy the tories will come back into power and need to bring in measures to control debt. Around we go again... " And yet the nation is in a worse financial situation now than it was when Labour left power. I shared an article a while back that demonstrated how labour and conservative both perform very similarly on the economy. Data, not narrative. | |||
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"Personally I won’t be voting. Things can change very quickly but at the moment my expectation is for a Labour outright victory on the back of a collapsed voter turnout. In my opinion the country desperately needs a Labour government asap, which will 100% be a dismal failure. Expect continued NHS collapse, economic stagnation, increased taxes, woke cultural policies with an accompanying crackdown on free speech and dissent, fanatical pursuit of the net zero delusion with accompanying energy blackouts and car manufacturer bailouts, 1 million immigrants net per year, and continued public sector failure. The sooner the country gets on with the forthcoming collapse the sooner the recovery can begin. I see this playing out, some parts not in full but on the trajectory you describe. Labour are needed to say we have had a change, they will blame the tories for the mess and justify their spending accordingly. This will go on for a whole term and possibly into a second, at some point when the country is near bankruptcy the tories will come back into power and need to bring in measures to control debt. Around we go again... And yet the nation is in a worse financial situation now than it was when Labour left power. I shared an article a while back that demonstrated how labour and conservative both perform very similarly on the economy. Data, not narrative." Around we will go again... Agree or disagree? | |||
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"Personally I won’t be voting. Things can change very quickly but at the moment my expectation is for a Labour outright victory on the back of a collapsed voter turnout. In my opinion the country desperately needs a Labour government asap, which will 100% be a dismal failure. Expect continued NHS collapse, economic stagnation, increased taxes, woke cultural policies with an accompanying crackdown on free speech and dissent, fanatical pursuit of the net zero delusion with accompanying energy blackouts and car manufacturer bailouts, 1 million immigrants net per year, and continued public sector failure. The sooner the country gets on with the forthcoming collapse the sooner the recovery can begin. I see this playing out, some parts not in full but on the trajectory you describe. Labour are needed to say we have had a change, they will blame the tories for the mess and justify their spending accordingly. This will go on for a whole term and possibly into a second, at some point when the country is near bankruptcy the tories will come back into power and need to bring in measures to control debt. Around we go again... And yet the nation is in a worse financial situation now than it was when Labour left power. I shared an article a while back that demonstrated how labour and conservative both perform very similarly on the economy. Data, not narrative. Around we will go again... Agree or disagree?" Do I disagree with the lazy trope that labour will spend us into oblivion and the tories will be brought back in to ‘control’ the finances? Yes I disagree.. | |||
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"All my life it has been the tories or labour and it looks like more of the same until this system is changed I will never vote again and I am not alone. You turn out to vote if you want to this guy is not for voting, until a better system of a two party system is gone. Apathy may keep the Tories in power, is that what you want?" To me it no longer matters who is in power, because to me corporations and business are those in power not who we elect. I do not vote for war, for oil companies or any business that can control politicians and make the lives of ordinary people harder. The poster above is right, labour will blame the tories as the tories blamed labour which is easy when we only have two parties to vote for. I expect nothing to change except for my voice to be threatened, silenced without the right to protest. | |||
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"Personally I won’t be voting. Things can change very quickly but at the moment my expectation is for a Labour outright victory on the back of a collapsed voter turnout. In my opinion the country desperately needs a Labour government asap, which will 100% be a dismal failure. Expect continued NHS collapse, economic stagnation, increased taxes, woke cultural policies with an accompanying crackdown on free speech and dissent, fanatical pursuit of the net zero delusion with accompanying energy blackouts and car manufacturer bailouts, 1 million immigrants net per year, and continued public sector failure. The sooner the country gets on with the forthcoming collapse the sooner the recovery can begin. I see this playing out, some parts not in full but on the trajectory you describe. Labour are needed to say we have had a change, they will blame the tories for the mess and justify their spending accordingly. This will go on for a whole term and possibly into a second, at some point when the country is near bankruptcy the tories will come back into power and need to bring in measures to control debt. Around we go again... And yet the nation is in a worse financial situation now than it was when Labour left power. I shared an article a while back that demonstrated how labour and conservative both perform very similarly on the economy. Data, not narrative. Around we will go again... Agree or disagree? Do I disagree with the lazy trope that labour will spend us into oblivion and the tories will be brought back in to ‘control’ the finances? Yes I disagree.." Isn’t the problem here that what has happened before has a knock on effect. The economy was just fine under Labour until the full effect of the 2008 financial crisis was felt. ie an exogenous event. The Conservatives then argue they had to right the ship (but not really Labour’s fault) and things were seemingly getting back on track then Covid hit and had a huge impact, ie another exogenous event. So Labour will need to right the ship! | |||
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"Did any one ever visited this website over the last few elections with the next election coming up and manifestos to soon be released. I'm eagerly waiting to see how people end up voting vs what policies they favour. unfortunately ( And in my opinion , sadly ) I will not be voting "for" policies at the next General Election , my vote will be tactically to get rid of the Conservative party Even if that vote is detrimental? nothing detrimental in getting the Conservatives out ,, I'd very well could be. You don't care about policies as long as it gets the Tories out. That's a very dangerous line to walk. if you read my original message I do say it is with sadness I will be voting this way , have previously always looked at what each party offers , have voted in the past against the party that will benefit me personally and voted for the party I believe will have benefitted the country , from what I can see leading up to the next General Election getting rid of the tories will benefit the country I understand why you want the Tories out. I just don't agree that ANY party that gets them out can't be detrimental. Given that in the vast majority of seats it’ll be lab or Lib Dem that oust them (in England at least) I’d say that any realistic candidate that ousts a Tory will be a better proposition." . Although I would prefer to vote "for" a party rather than "against" a party , my vote at the next GE will (as I mentioned) be against the Tories , meaning a vote for either Labour or Lib Dem depending on who has best chance to defeat / keep the tory out ,, if you look at the latest by elections I do not think I am on my own ,the winners have been either Labour or LibDem and apart from the Mid Bedfordshire seat which was a 3 horse race , it has mainly come down to the tories against either Labour "OR" the Lib Dem candidate ,, with the Labour vote collapsing where the LibDem had a chance of winning and the LibDem vote similarly collapsing where Labour had a chance of winning .. We even had Conservatives claiming the collapse of the Labour / LibDem vote in these seats a Good thing , where it would actually spell disaster for the Tories if continued into The General Election (which I hope it does and suspect it might ) | |||
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"Personally I won’t be voting. Things can change very quickly but at the moment my expectation is for a Labour outright victory on the back of a collapsed voter turnout. In my opinion the country desperately needs a Labour government asap, which will 100% be a dismal failure. Expect continued NHS collapse, economic stagnation, increased taxes, woke cultural policies with an accompanying crackdown on free speech and dissent, fanatical pursuit of the net zero delusion with accompanying energy blackouts and car manufacturer bailouts, 1 million immigrants net per year, and continued public sector failure. The sooner the country gets on with the forthcoming collapse the sooner the recovery can begin. I see this playing out, some parts not in full but on the trajectory you describe. Labour are needed to say we have had a change, they will blame the tories for the mess and justify their spending accordingly. This will go on for a whole term and possibly into a second, at some point when the country is near bankruptcy the tories will come back into power and need to bring in measures to control debt. Around we go again... And yet the nation is in a worse financial situation now than it was when Labour left power. I shared an article a while back that demonstrated how labour and conservative both perform very similarly on the economy. Data, not narrative. Around we will go again... Agree or disagree? Do I disagree with the lazy trope that labour will spend us into oblivion and the tories will be brought back in to ‘control’ the finances? Yes I disagree.. Isn’t the problem here that what has happened before has a knock on effect. The economy was just fine under Labour until the full effect of the 2008 financial crisis was felt. ie an exogenous event. The Conservatives then argue they had to right the ship (but not really Labour’s fault) and things were seemingly getting back on track then Covid hit and had a huge impact, ie another exogenous event. So Labour will need to right the ship! " The point that was originally missed in my first post. Governments are voted out when they are perceived to be doing badly. Labour will fail and tories will take over, just as the tories will fail and labour will take over. The foaming at the mouth hatred of tories, will reverse in 5-8 years for sure. Rinse and repeat. Having said that, it is not a reason to allow outliers have an input into our government, that would make things exponentially worse, resulting in nothing being agreed. | |||
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"Personally I won’t be voting. Things can change very quickly but at the moment my expectation is for a Labour outright victory on the back of a collapsed voter turnout. In my opinion the country desperately needs a Labour government asap, which will 100% be a dismal failure. Expect continued NHS collapse, economic stagnation, increased taxes, woke cultural policies with an accompanying crackdown on free speech and dissent, fanatical pursuit of the net zero delusion with accompanying energy blackouts and car manufacturer bailouts, 1 million immigrants net per year, and continued public sector failure. The sooner the country gets on with the forthcoming collapse the sooner the recovery can begin. I see this playing out, some parts not in full but on the trajectory you describe. Labour are needed to say we have had a change, they will blame the tories for the mess and justify their spending accordingly. This will go on for a whole term and possibly into a second, at some point when the country is near bankruptcy the tories will come back into power and need to bring in measures to control debt. Around we go again... And yet the nation is in a worse financial situation now than it was when Labour left power. I shared an article a while back that demonstrated how labour and conservative both perform very similarly on the economy. Data, not narrative. Around we will go again... Agree or disagree? Do I disagree with the lazy trope that labour will spend us into oblivion and the tories will be brought back in to ‘control’ the finances? Yes I disagree.. Isn’t the problem here that what has happened before has a knock on effect. The economy was just fine under Labour until the full effect of the 2008 financial crisis was felt. ie an exogenous event. The Conservatives then argue they had to right the ship (but not really Labour’s fault) and things were seemingly getting back on track then Covid hit and had a huge impact, ie another exogenous event. So Labour will need to right the ship! " Erm This is sort of like saying. Even though I was earning 100k. And spending 120k a year. Because the banks were t collecting.. all was going smoothly until they collected. If over 12 years of government you build a economy on a lie. However great it seemed. The economy was still a lie. I absolutely hold the conservatives to account for the gross mismanagement of the borrowing in covid and debt surge and 50% for the inflation along with bofe I think we can hold labour to account for building a housing market on a lie, Jobs on unreal growth continued borrowing.( I think we ran an annual surplus until about 2000? Even in the good times. We still borrowed heavily. | |||
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"Voting doesn't matter, it just pick a the puppets we get to have in parliament. We don't think there is a single thing apart from 'Get Brexit done' (and that's debateable) that the Conservatives have actually followed up on. " That's not true at all. A lot of people to donate to the Tory party and a lot of their pals got very rich over the past 13 years.  | |||
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"Just a note that pre covid the national debt was double what it was when the conservatives came in. So the idea that labour spent all the money is false as otherwise where did all that extra money come from? The idea that we need austerity to balance the books is also false as otherwise why did the debt double? " The National Debt is the amount of money that the government owes to other people / companies / countries. An increase in the National Debt shows that the government has increased the amount that it is borrowing. That's where all the extra money came from. | |||
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"Just a note that pre covid the national debt was double what it was when the conservatives came in. So the idea that labour spent all the money is false as otherwise where did all that extra money come from? The idea that we need austerity to balance the books is also false as otherwise why did the debt double? The National Debt is the amount of money that the government owes to other people / companies / countries. An increase in the National Debt shows that the government has increased the amount that it is borrowing. That's where all the extra money came from." So there was money able to be borrowed then and austerity failed in brining down the debt. | |||
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"Just a note that pre covid the national debt was double what it was when the conservatives came in. So the idea that labour spent all the money is false as otherwise where did all that extra money come from? The idea that we need austerity to balance the books is also false as otherwise why did the debt double?" "The National Debt is the amount of money that the government owes to other people / companies / countries. An increase in the National Debt shows that the government has increased the amount that it is borrowing. That's where all the extra money came from." "So there was money able to be borrowed then and austerity failed in brining down the debt. " There's always money to be borrowed, even if you have to print it first. To the extent that we had any austerity, it didn't lower the national debt. But obviously the debt would have been bigger without the austerity. | |||
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"Did any one ever visited this website over the last few elections with the next election coming up and manifestos to soon be released. I'm eagerly waiting to see how people end up voting vs what policies they favour. unfortunately ( And in my opinion , sadly ) I will not be voting "for" policies at the next General Election , my vote will be tactically to get rid of the Conservative party Even if that vote is detrimental? nothing detrimental in getting the Conservatives out ,, I'd very well could be. You don't care about policies as long as it gets the Tories out. That's a very dangerous line to walk. if you read my original message I do say it is with sadness I will be voting this way , have previously always looked at what each party offers , have voted in the past against the party that will benefit me personally and voted for the party I believe will have benefitted the country , from what I can see leading up to the next General Election getting rid of the tories will benefit the country I understand why you want the Tories out. I just don't agree that ANY party that gets them out can't be detrimental.. fair point , but the choice , via the first past the post system , isn't really going to be "any" party , my tactical vote appears to be either Labour or LibDem , neither of which I would class myself as a natural supporter , my ideal outcome would be a Labour victory with LibDem and maybe SNP preventing a majority government with PR being introduced prior to the next election so I could vote for who I wanted rather than who I don't want ,,, The SNP are gonna struggle themselves according to polling. Labour should win but honestly they seem to be making it difficult for themselves. They may need LibDem to top them up. PR isn't coming unless someone, somehow manages to beat both Tory & Labour, which I would think impossible. " I expect the SNP will lose some seats but unlikely to be the collapse some are predicting. The general election does not affect the Scottish Parliament which is of greater concern to voters here. The Tories are very unlikely to gain seats in Scotland. Labour will gain by default but have failed to win much credence here lately, they remain a party tail wagged by the dog down South | |||
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"Just a note that pre covid the national debt was double what it was when the conservatives came in. So the idea that labour spent all the money is false as otherwise where did all that extra money come from? The idea that we need austerity to balance the books is also false as otherwise why did the debt double? The National Debt is the amount of money that the government owes to other people / companies / countries. An increase in the National Debt shows that the government has increased the amount that it is borrowing. That's where all the extra money came from. So there was money able to be borrowed then and austerity failed in brining down the debt. There's always money to be borrowed, even if you have to print it first. To the extent that we had any austerity, it didn't lower the national debt. But obviously the debt would have been bigger without the austerity." Absolute nonsense. The idea was that austerity was needed to bring down the debt. The fact that the debt doubled in 9 years showed it is, and was, a failed ideology. Slashing public services only served to stop people getting back into work through suppprt. It also was a choice they made not to spending money while interest rates were rock bottom to invest for the future. We now have double the debt, hospital waiting lists growing, schools literally falling apart, transport wrecked, nothing works! If the debt had come down then they could say 'it hurt, it worked' but what have we got to show for it? Nothing. | |||
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"To the extent that we had any austerity, it didn't lower the national debt. But obviously the debt would have been bigger without the austerity." "Absolute nonsense. The idea was that austerity was needed to bring down the debt. The fact that the debt doubled in 9 years showed it is, and was, a failed ideology. Slashing public services only served to stop people getting back into work through suppprt. It also was a choice they made not to spending money while interest rates were rock bottom to invest for the future. We now have double the debt, hospital waiting lists growing, schools literally falling apart, transport wrecked, nothing works! If the debt had come down then they could say 'it hurt, it worked' but what have we got to show for it? Nothing. " So it didn't work (mostly because there wasn't actually much austerity happening). How does that change the fact that the national debt would be even bigger than it currently is if we hadn't done any austerity. | |||
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