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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop." Interesting that you say that because an Israeli representative was on the kuenssberg (forgive my spelling) show this morning stating the exact opposite IE that they've been listening to the west since their inception and if they'd done things the way they're saying now, they wouldn't be in the current situation. Also pointed out that London is next so we/Britain should be thankful and supportive | |||
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"The problems of the middle east, as in so many places around the world, are created by religions. Religions, all religions, were created by man as a social control mechanism. They fabricated answers to the human fears of what happens after death and the question, "why are we here?" as a foundation. Consequently people, usually indoctrinated from birth, commit themselves to follow life paths created by the men who wish to control them. All this in pursuit of the "approval" of an unproven and illogical afterlife and the favour of an imaginary being or "God". Each of these religions believes they are the true way so they compete with each other with the aim of being the one dominant religion. Religious belief is however not logical. The decision to follow a given religion's edicts are frequently at odds with the freedom of thought we all treasure. In addition, for the religious zealots, simply allowing a different religion to exist goes against the will of their "God" Therefore, when considering how to negotiate with differing groups, it is virtually impossible to reach a compromise using logic. So it is in Israel. There are, world wide, around 1000 times more muslims than Jews. Right or wrong, military force is the only way the Jews can protect themselves and, sadly, the examples of history show us that extreme force is the only way to reduce the threat because logical negotiations are not possible with illogical idealists. However horrific and undesirable the carnage in Israel and Gaza is, we should remember, whilst it is easy to criticise others from the peace and comfort of our secure lives, perhaps we should walk a mile in their shoes before criticising. " Hitler, Stalin and Chairman Mao between them have probably killed more millions of people than religion ever has. It's not that religions kill people...they do. It's not that ideologies kill people...they do. It's that people kill people. Because people are shitty. Remove religion and ideology and it'd be something else. Because people are shitty. Because we are Apex Predators. We are genetically wired to do it. Tempering that genetic predisposition is understood by some religions, abusing it by others is also understood. Bottom line, I don't believe you can lay the blame purely at the feet of religion. | |||
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"The problems of the middle east, as in so many places around the world, are created by religions. Religions, all religions, were created by man as a social control mechanism. They fabricated answers to the human fears of what happens after death and the question, "why are we here?" as a foundation. Consequently people, usually indoctrinated from birth, commit themselves to follow life paths created by the men who wish to control them. All this in pursuit of the "approval" of an unproven and illogical afterlife and the favour of an imaginary being or "God". Each of these religions believes they are the true way so they compete with each other with the aim of being the one dominant religion. Religious belief is however not logical. The decision to follow a given religion's edicts are frequently at odds with the freedom of thought we all treasure. In addition, for the religious zealots, simply allowing a different religion to exist goes against the will of their "God" Therefore, when considering how to negotiate with differing groups, it is virtually impossible to reach a compromise using logic. So it is in Israel. There are, world wide, around 1000 times more muslims than Jews. Right or wrong, military force is the only way the Jews can protect themselves and, sadly, the examples of history show us that extreme force is the only way to reduce the threat because logical negotiations are not possible with illogical idealists. However horrific and undesirable the carnage in Israel and Gaza is, we should remember, whilst it is easy to criticise others from the peace and comfort of our secure lives, perhaps we should walk a mile in their shoes before criticising. Hitler, Stalin and Chairman Mao between them have probably killed more millions of people than religion ever has. It's not that religions kill people...they do. It's not that ideologies kill people...they do. It's that people kill people. Because people are shitty. Remove religion and ideology and it'd be something else. Because people are shitty. Because we are Apex Predators. We are genetically wired to do it. Tempering that genetic predisposition is understood by some religions, abusing it by others is also understood. Bottom line, I don't believe you can lay the blame purely at the feet of religion. " I thought Hitler was Catholic, he certainly went to see the Pope anyway. One of my favourite lines from any song “What if God is real but religion’s one big lie?”. (Everlast). S | |||
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"The problems of the middle east, as in so many places around the world, are created by religions. Religions, all religions, were created by man as a social control mechanism. They fabricated answers to the human fears of what happens after death and the question, "why are we here?" as a foundation. Consequently people, usually indoctrinated from birth, commit themselves to follow life paths created by the men who wish to control them. All this in pursuit of the "approval" of an unproven and illogical afterlife and the favour of an imaginary being or "God". Each of these religions believes they are the true way so they compete with each other with the aim of being the one dominant religion. Religious belief is however not logical. The decision to follow a given religion's edicts are frequently at odds with the freedom of thought we all treasure. In addition, for the religious zealots, simply allowing a different religion to exist goes against the will of their "God" Therefore, when considering how to negotiate with differing groups, it is virtually impossible to reach a compromise using logic. So it is in Israel. There are, world wide, around 1000 times more muslims than Jews. Right or wrong, military force is the only way the Jews can protect themselves and, sadly, the examples of history show us that extreme force is the only way to reduce the threat because logical negotiations are not possible with illogical idealists. However horrific and undesirable the carnage in Israel and Gaza is, we should remember, whilst it is easy to criticise others from the peace and comfort of our secure lives, perhaps we should walk a mile in their shoes before criticising. Hitler, Stalin and Chairman Mao between them have probably killed more millions of people than religion ever has. It's not that religions kill people...they do. It's not that ideologies kill people...they do. It's that people kill people. Because people are shitty. Remove religion and ideology and it'd be something else. Because people are shitty. Because we are Apex Predators. We are genetically wired to do it. Tempering that genetic predisposition is understood by some religions, abusing it by others is also understood. Bottom line, I don't believe you can lay the blame purely at the feet of religion. " Agree with most of what you say but your point on Hitler, Stalin, Mao while true for 20th century (and possibly in absolute numbers though that will not be possible to prove though I suspect not proportionately in terms of world population at a given time) is probably not the case throughout history. I suspect religion has still been responsible for the vast majority of wars and suffering throughout history. However, as said above, religion is another form of social control and ideology. And yes, the tribalist nature of humans is shit! | |||
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"The problems of the middle east, as in so many places around the world, are created by religions. Religions, all religions, were created by man as a social control mechanism. They fabricated answers to the human fears of what happens after death and the question, "why are we here?" as a foundation. Consequently people, usually indoctrinated from birth, commit themselves to follow life paths created by the men who wish to control them. All this in pursuit of the "approval" of an unproven and illogical afterlife and the favour of an imaginary being or "God". Each of these religions believes they are the true way so they compete with each other with the aim of being the one dominant religion. Religious belief is however not logical. The decision to follow a given religion's edicts are frequently at odds with the freedom of thought we all treasure. In addition, for the religious zealots, simply allowing a different religion to exist goes against the will of their "God" Therefore, when considering how to negotiate with differing groups, it is virtually impossible to reach a compromise using logic. So it is in Israel. There are, world wide, around 1000 times more muslims than Jews. Right or wrong, military force is the only way the Jews can protect themselves and, sadly, the examples of history show us that extreme force is the only way to reduce the threat because logical negotiations are not possible with illogical idealists. However horrific and undesirable the carnage in Israel and Gaza is, we should remember, whilst it is easy to criticise others from the peace and comfort of our secure lives, perhaps we should walk a mile in their shoes before criticising. Hitler, Stalin and Chairman Mao between them have probably killed more millions of people than religion ever has. It's not that religions kill people...they do. It's not that ideologies kill people...they do. It's that people kill people. Because people are shitty. Remove religion and ideology and it'd be something else. Because people are shitty. Because we are Apex Predators. We are genetically wired to do it. Tempering that genetic predisposition is understood by some religions, abusing it by others is also understood. Bottom line, I don't believe you can lay the blame purely at the feet of religion. " I think religion has definitely been the cause of more deaths than the people you mentioned but ultimately it’s not about which imaginary friend you believe in, it’s about power. Religion is used as a tool by people who want power, they exploit believers to do their bidding and say it’s in the name of their god. If the Catholic Church truly believed in the teachings of Jesus the they would sell all the fancy art and treasure and use it to help the poor, but that’s not what they are about. They want to maintain their power over people. It’s the same with pretty much every other religion out there. | |||
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"Hitler, Stalin and Chairman Mao between them have probably killed more millions of people than religion ever has. It's not that religions kill people...they do. It's not that ideologies kill people...they do. It's that people kill people. Because people are shitty. Remove religion and ideology and it'd be something else. Because people are shitty. Because we are Apex Predators. We are genetically wired to do it. Tempering that genetic predisposition is understood by some religions, abusing it by others is also understood. Bottom line, I don't believe you can lay the blame purely at the feet of religion. " EXACTLY this. Religion is a pretext (as is race, nationalism, creed, etc.), a rallying cry and an easy target for the liberated thinkers to point at. In and of itself, it is rarely ever a (true) reason, though, especially in a modern context. This can be seen in early Zionism - it was nationalistic and not religious in nature (this is a big topic) and also in one of the biggest issues in the Middle East - the issue of the Kurds (another huge topic). Even China's oppression of Muslims is not religious in nature, if anything, it's ANTI-religious and secular (including brainwashing and murder). On the surface, these seem like religious "wars", but none are at their core, really. | |||
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"The problems of the middle east, as in so many places around the world, are created by religions. Religions, all religions, were created by man as a social control mechanism. They fabricated answers to the human fears of what happens after death and the question, "why are we here?" as a foundation. Consequently people, usually indoctrinated from birth, commit themselves to follow life paths created by the men who wish to control them. All this in pursuit of the "approval" of an unproven and illogical afterlife and the favour of an imaginary being or "God". Each of these religions believes they are the true way so they compete with each other with the aim of being the one dominant religion. Religious belief is however not logical. The decision to follow a given religion's edicts are frequently at odds with the freedom of thought we all treasure. In addition, for the religious zealots, simply allowing a different religion to exist goes against the will of their "God" Therefore, when considering how to negotiate with differing groups, it is virtually impossible to reach a compromise using logic. So it is in Israel. There are, world wide, around 1000 times more muslims than Jews. Right or wrong, military force is the only way the Jews can protect themselves and, sadly, the examples of history show us that extreme force is the only way to reduce the threat because logical negotiations are not possible with illogical idealists. However horrific and undesirable the carnage in Israel and Gaza is, we should remember, whilst it is easy to criticise others from the peace and comfort of our secure lives, perhaps we should walk a mile in their shoes before criticising. Hitler, Stalin and Chairman Mao between them have probably killed more millions of people than religion ever has. It's not that religions kill people...they do. It's not that ideologies kill people...they do. It's that people kill people. Because people are shitty. Remove religion and ideology and it'd be something else. Because people are shitty. Because we are Apex Predators. We are genetically wired to do it. Tempering that genetic predisposition is understood by some religions, abusing it by others is also understood. Bottom line, I don't believe you can lay the blame purely at the feet of religion. " Hitler said in Mein Kampf that he converted to being an antisemite so his pursuit if Jews was religious inspired. However, he was on fertile ground, because jews had been persecuted in Europe for centuaries. Stalin was trying to consolidate his personal power and also tried to stamp out religion because it posed a threat to him as an alternative social control. Mao Zedong grew up a buddhist but gave up in favour of armed insurrection.. If you believe in a God who made everything then pandemics have made us puny humans look like amateur killers. Consider Covid-19 36 million, HIV/Aids 36 million, 1919 Flu pandemic up to 50 million and the black death 75 to 200 million. However most wars are fought with "God on our side". Perhaps the worst aspect of religions is the dehumanising of the other side which permits and forgive such obscenities as beheading babies. | |||
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"The problems of the middle east, as in so many places around the world, are created by religions. Religions, all religions, were created by man as a social control mechanism. They fabricated answers to the human fears of what happens after death and the question, "why are we here?" as a foundation. Consequently people, usually indoctrinated from birth, commit themselves to follow life paths created by the men who wish to control them. All this in pursuit of the "approval" of an unproven and illogical afterlife and the favour of an imaginary being or "God". Each of these religions believes they are the true way so they compete with each other with the aim of being the one dominant religion. Religious belief is however not logical. The decision to follow a given religion's edicts are frequently at odds with the freedom of thought we all treasure. In addition, for the religious zealots, simply allowing a different religion to exist goes against the will of their "God" Therefore, when considering how to negotiate with differing groups, it is virtually impossible to reach a compromise using logic. So it is in Israel. There are, world wide, around 1000 times more muslims than Jews. Right or wrong, military force is the only way the Jews can protect themselves and, sadly, the examples of history show us that extreme force is the only way to reduce the threat because logical negotiations are not possible with illogical idealists. However horrific and undesirable the carnage in Israel and Gaza is, we should remember, whilst it is easy to criticise others from the peace and comfort of our secure lives, perhaps we should walk a mile in their shoes before criticising. Hitler, Stalin and Chairman Mao between them have probably killed more millions of people than religion ever has. It's not that religions kill people...they do. It's not that ideologies kill people...they do. It's that people kill people. Because people are shitty. Remove religion and ideology and it'd be something else. Because people are shitty. Because we are Apex Predators. We are genetically wired to do it. Tempering that genetic predisposition is understood by some religions, abusing it by others is also understood. Bottom line, I don't believe you can lay the blame purely at the feet of religion. Hitler said in Mein Kampf that he converted to being an antisemite so his pursuit if Jews was religious inspired. However, he was on fertile ground, because jews had been persecuted in Europe for centuaries. Stalin was trying to consolidate his personal power and also tried to stamp out religion because it posed a threat to him as an alternative social control. Mao Zedong grew up a buddhist but gave up in favour of armed insurrection.. If you believe in a God who made everything then pandemics have made us puny humans look like amateur killers. Consider Covid-19 36 million, HIV/Aids 36 million, 1919 Flu pandemic up to 50 million and the black death 75 to 200 million. However most wars are fought with "God on our side". Perhaps the worst aspect of religions is the dehumanising of the other side which permits and forgive such obscenities as beheading babies. " Been going on for a very ling time...Audita tremendi | |||
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"I disagree somewhat with the notion that the removal of religion will just mean fighting over something else. To an extent it would, but take away the faith that a better world will be yours when you die in the name of your God & the thought that “Dead is dead, you are worm food, game over, that’s it” would undoubtedly lead to more people not wishing to die in the first place no matter the reason for their fight. S" To add, This means less control of the masses by The powerful, which as someone else pointed out is pretty much where religion came from anyway. S | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop." Well this turned to religion so is religion the opium of the people, has this proved that, was Marks right? | |||
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"I disagree somewhat with the notion that the removal of religion will just mean fighting over something else. To an extent it would, but take away the faith that a better world will be yours when you die in the name of your God & the thought that “Dead is dead, you are worm food, game over, that’s it” would undoubtedly lead to more people not wishing to die in the first place no matter the reason for their fight. S" There is no proof of the existance of Heaven, Hell, Shamayim, Valhalla, Janna, Sagga,etc. The scientific proof is, when we die, we become worm food. Humans will always kill to get what they want and Kill to defend that which is theirs. Having said that, hopefully, if reality struck home, then some cleric sitting on a golden throne, invoking the name of an imaginary omnipotent entity, could not get young men to blow themselve up on the promise of 72 virgins in the afterlife. (PS. can anyone think of anything less desirable than an eternity with 72 virgins?  ) | |||
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"I disagree somewhat with the notion that the removal of religion will just mean fighting over something else. To an extent it would, but take away the faith that a better world will be yours when you die in the name of your God & the thought that “Dead is dead, you are worm food, game over, that’s it” would undoubtedly lead to more people not wishing to die in the first place no matter the reason for their fight. S There is no proof of the existance of Heaven, Hell, Shamayim, Valhalla, Janna, Sagga,etc. The scientific proof is, when we die, we become worm food. Humans will always kill to get what they want and Kill to defend that which is theirs. Having said that, hopefully, if reality struck home, then some cleric sitting on a golden throne, invoking the name of an imaginary omnipotent entity, could not get young men to blow themselve up on the promise of 72 virgins in the afterlife. (PS. can anyone think of anything less desirable than an eternity with 72 virgins? )"Eternity with 72 virgins and suffering from impotency.  | |||
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"The problems of the middle east, as in so many places around the world, are created by religions. Religions, all religions, were created by man as a social control mechanism. They fabricated answers to the human fears of what happens after death and the question, "why are we here?" as a foundation. Consequently people, usually indoctrinated from birth, commit themselves to follow life paths created by the men who wish to control them. All this in pursuit of the "approval" of an unproven and illogical afterlife and the favour of an imaginary being or "God". Each of these religions believes they are the true way so they compete with each other with the aim of being the one dominant religion. Religious belief is however not logical. The decision to follow a given religion's edicts are frequently at odds with the freedom of thought we all treasure. In addition, for the religious zealots, simply allowing a different religion to exist goes against the will of their "God" Therefore, when considering how to negotiate with differing groups, it is virtually impossible to reach a compromise using logic. So it is in Israel. There are, world wide, around 1000 times more muslims than Jews. Right or wrong, military force is the only way the Jews can protect themselves and, sadly, the examples of history show us that extreme force is the only way to reduce the threat because logical negotiations are not possible with illogical idealists. However horrific and undesirable the carnage in Israel and Gaza is, we should remember, whilst it is easy to criticise others from the peace and comfort of our secure lives, perhaps we should walk a mile in their shoes before criticising. Hitler, Stalin and Chairman Mao between them have probably killed more millions of people than religion ever has. It's not that religions kill people...they do. It's not that ideologies kill people...they do. It's that people kill people. Because people are shitty. Remove religion and ideology and it'd be something else. Because people are shitty. Because we are Apex Predators. We are genetically wired to do it. Tempering that genetic predisposition is understood by some religions, abusing it by others is also understood. Bottom line, I don't believe you can lay the blame purely at the feet of religion. " Exactly my thoughts | |||
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"(PS. can anyone think of anything less desirable than an eternity with 72 virgins? )"They start out as virgins, they don’t necessarily stay that way 
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"I disagree somewhat with the notion that the removal of religion will just mean fighting over something else. To an extent it would, but take away the faith that a better world will be yours when you die in the name of your God & the thought that “Dead is dead, you are worm food, game over, that’s it” would undoubtedly lead to more people not wishing to die in the first place no matter the reason for their fight. S There is no proof of the existance of Heaven, Hell, Shamayim, Valhalla, Janna, Sagga,etc. The scientific proof is, when we die, we become worm food. Humans will always kill to get what they want and Kill to defend that which is theirs. Having said that, hopefully, if reality struck home, then some cleric sitting on a golden throne, invoking the name of an imaginary omnipotent entity, could not get young men to blow themselve up on the promise of 72 virgins in the afterlife. (PS. can anyone think of anything less desirable than an eternity with 72 virgins? )
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Mr DD"That is what you think. Where is Jannah going to find a massive supply of virgins? Nope, you will just be told not to have any sex outside marriage, as on Earth.  | |||
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"It’s not even “religion” as such… it’s religion within religion…. You had Protestant and catholic within Christianity… Here you have Shia vs Sunni within the Muslim world…. Which is why in Yemen you have Iran on one side and Saudi Arabia on the other And other gulf countries where the leaders are one but the mass of the population is the other " The worrying thing is they came together before to rid themselves of an aggressor did they not? Push them far enough & they would do it again even if only for the time it took & then went back to arguing. The Qatari royal family have today said the bombing in the south must stop & that it will not stand by & watch. Or words to that effect. S | |||
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"It’s not even “religion” as such… it’s religion within religion…. You had Protestant and catholic within Christianity… Here you have Shia vs Sunni within the Muslim world…. Which is why in Yemen you have Iran on one side and Saudi Arabia on the other And other gulf countries where the leaders are one but the mass of the population is the other The worrying thing is they came together before to rid themselves of an aggressor did they not? Push them far enough & they would do it again even if only for the time it took & then went back to arguing. The Qatari royal family have today said the bombing in the south must stop & that it will not stand by & watch. Or words to that effect. S" We all know but perhaps don't want to admit it but, Israel is intending to flatten the Gaza strip and kill or certainly force those still there to leave. What they are intending is genocide whilst our governments let it happen. | |||
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"It’s not even “religion” as such… it’s religion within religion…. You had Protestant and catholic within Christianity… Here you have Shia vs Sunni within the Muslim world…. Which is why in Yemen you have Iran on one side and Saudi Arabia on the other And other gulf countries where the leaders are one but the mass of the population is the other The worrying thing is they came together before to rid themselves of an aggressor did they not? Push them far enough & they would do it again even if only for the time it took & then went back to arguing. The Qatari royal family have today said the bombing in the south must stop & that it will not stand by & watch. Or words to that effect. S We all know but perhaps don't want to admit it but, Israel is intending to flatten the Gaza strip and kill or certainly force those still there to leave. What they are intending is genocide whilst our governments let it happen. " I just nicked this from the other thread as it’s full. “Yocheved Lifschitz - one of two hostages freed by Hamas on Monday - says: "I went through hell, that I could not have known" Speaking to the media with her daughter from a hospital in Tel Aviv, the 85-year-old described how she was kidnp by Hamas gunmen on motorbikes Lifschitz and her fellow captives were hit with sticks and taken into a "spider's web" of underground tunnels” So now we have it confirmed by a released Israeli hostage that Hamas are underground would someone of that faith or of Israel care to tell me what Israel is achieving by blowing the crap out of Gaza? S | |||
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"So now we have it confirmed by a released Israeli hostage that Hamas are underground would someone of that faith or of Israel care to tell me what Israel is achieving by blowing the crap out of Gaza? S" Which faith - Islam or Judaism? | |||
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"Surface area of the earth 197000000 square miles Gaza strip 147miles square It's not like there's a shortage of room to accommodate everyone. " About 70% of that surface area is water, but that still leaves quite a bit of space. | |||
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"So now we have it confirmed by a released Israeli hostage that Hamas are underground would someone of that faith or of Israel care to tell me what Israel is achieving by blowing the crap out of Gaza? S Which faith - Islam or Judaism?" The ones doing the bombing knowing full well it is having little effect on Hamas who do you think? Suggest you turn the tv on the Secretary General of the UN is on. S | |||
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"So now we have it confirmed by a released Israeli hostage that Hamas are underground would someone of that faith or of Israel care to tell me what Israel is achieving by blowing the crap out of Gaza? S Which faith - Islam or Judaism? The ones doing the bombing knowing full well it is having little effect on Hamas who do you think? Suggest you turn the tv on the Secretary General of the UN is on. S" Just checking that you were looking for Jewish people specifically to explain or justify the actions of the State of Israel, (in addition, or as an alternative, to the state of Israel). Had you said the other side, it would be getting Muslims to explain the actions of the other belligerents. Both of these positions cause huge problems for members of each faith in the UK and wider world. | |||
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"So now we have it confirmed by a released Israeli hostage that Hamas are underground would someone of that faith or of Israel care to tell me what Israel is achieving by blowing the crap out of Gaza? S Which faith - Islam or Judaism? The ones doing the bombing knowing full well it is having little effect on Hamas who do you think? Suggest you turn the tv on the Secretary General of the UN is on. S" I think the secretary general of the United Nations is against collective punishment… which he strongly believes it is with the blockade… I tend to agree with him Without fuel the water plants don’t work…. And neither do hospital generators! Incubators and Intensive Care Units going off because Isreal refusing to let in any fuel… not a great look | |||
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"So now we have it confirmed by a released Israeli hostage that Hamas are underground would someone of that faith or of Israel care to tell me what Israel is achieving by blowing the crap out of Gaza? S Which faith - Islam or Judaism? The ones doing the bombing knowing full well it is having little effect on Hamas who do you think? Suggest you turn the tv on the Secretary General of the UN is on. S I think the secretary general of the United Nations is against collective punishment… which he strongly believes it is with the blockade… I tend to agree with him Without fuel the water plants don’t work…. And neither do hospital generators! Incubators and Intensive Care Units going off because Isreal refusing to let in any fuel… not a great look " 62% of the dead in Gaza are apparently women & children. I say apparently as this is a Hamas figure & I trust neither sides reporting. S | |||
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"So now we have it confirmed by a released Israeli hostage that Hamas are underground would someone of that faith or of Israel care to tell me what Israel is achieving by blowing the crap out of Gaza? S Which faith - Islam or Judaism? The ones doing the bombing knowing full well it is having little effect on Hamas who do you think? Suggest you turn the tv on the Secretary General of the UN is on. S I think the secretary general of the United Nations is against collective punishment… which he strongly believes it is with the blockade… I tend to agree with him Without fuel the water plants don’t work…. And neither do hospital generators! Incubators and Intensive Care Units going off because Isreal refusing to let in any fuel… not a great look 62% of the dead in Gaza are apparently women & children. I say apparently as this is a Hamas figure & I trust neither sides reporting. S" The fuel running out by Thursday statement is coming from UNRWA, the United Nations aid agency working within Gaza … I am more inclined to believe them Basically Israel and the UN have basically fallen out now… no aid trucks got through today, the us are almost in the position where it’s trying to save Isreal from itself, especially in terms of PR | |||
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"So now we have it confirmed by a released Israeli hostage that Hamas are underground would someone of that faith or of Israel care to tell me what Israel is achieving by blowing the crap out of Gaza? S Which faith - Islam or Judaism? The ones doing the bombing knowing full well it is having little effect on Hamas who do you think? Suggest you turn the tv on the Secretary General of the UN is on. S I think the secretary general of the United Nations is against collective punishment… which he strongly believes it is with the blockade… I tend to agree with him Without fuel the water plants don’t work…. And neither do hospital generators! Incubators and Intensive Care Units going off because Isreal refusing to let in any fuel… not a great look 62% of the dead in Gaza are apparently women & children. I say apparently as this is a Hamas figure & I trust neither sides reporting. S The fuel running out by Thursday statement is coming from UNRWA, the United Nations aid agency working within Gaza … I am more inclined to believe them Basically Israel and the UN have basically fallen out now… no aid trucks got through today, the us are almost in the position where it’s trying to save Isreal from itself, especially in terms of PR" There are reports of children now being operated on without anesthetic including getting limbs amputated. Also mothers in Gaza are writing the names of their children onto their arms and legs. So incase they are victims of a Israeli airstream their remains can be identified. If the Hammas attack was barbaric, which 100% it was. It is now look we can be more barbaric than you. | |||
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"So now we have it confirmed by a released Israeli hostage that Hamas are underground would someone of that faith or of Israel care to tell me what Israel is achieving by blowing the crap out of Gaza? S Which faith - Islam or Judaism? The ones doing the bombing knowing full well it is having little effect on Hamas who do you think? Suggest you turn the tv on the Secretary General of the UN is on. S I think the secretary general of the United Nations is against collective punishment… which he strongly believes it is with the blockade… I tend to agree with him Without fuel the water plants don’t work…. And neither do hospital generators! Incubators and Intensive Care Units going off because Isreal refusing to let in any fuel… not a great look 62% of the dead in Gaza are apparently women & children. I say apparently as this is a Hamas figure & I trust neither sides reporting. S The fuel running out by Thursday statement is coming from UNRWA, the United Nations aid agency working within Gaza … I am more inclined to believe them Basically Israel and the UN have basically fallen out now… no aid trucks got through today, the us are almost in the position where it’s trying to save Isreal from itself, especially in terms of PR" A UK military plane is transporting British humanitarian aid destined to Gaza through Egypt tomorrow. Would be interesting to see if Israel allows it in, or bars it. France, UK, USA are insisting no ground invasion before hostages are released and have their own channel with Hamas open through Qatar. | |||
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" I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. " The Planning Directorate within the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been officially given the task of co-ordinating the postwar strategy https://www.ft.com/content/75d27680-cdaa-46f7-b810-10b594bb0ad2 | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism." I believe the poster is referring to disaster capitalism, these capitalist have been seen by us all. they are, British P.M. The President of the USA. The French President. There is nothing Anti Semetic about highlighting a genocide which is supported by these governments. It is these governments that are supplying arms and money to a facilitate a genocide. Whilst turning a blind eye to genocide. Finally it is your support towards these governments who spout your rhetoric that makes them confident that they will get away with this as it is you that support this division of us all. | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism. I believe the poster is referring to disaster capitalism, these capitalist have been seen by us all. they are, British P.M. The President of the USA. The French President. There is nothing Anti Semetic about highlighting a genocide which is supported by these governments. It is these governments that are supplying arms and money to a facilitate a genocide. Whilst turning a blind eye to genocide. Finally it is your support towards these governments who spout your rhetoric that makes them confident that they will get away with this as it is you that support this division of us all." My support?????....you assume something that is factually incorrect. Please ask before assuming as incorrect assumption simply negates the credibility of your argument. And there is no evidence in the analogy of disaster capitalism....just an assumption. What is happening is terrible, whether from one side or the other and beyond the real comprehension of almost everyone to the point that the argument becomes sectarian rather than rational. While we are choosing pseudo intellectual stances, supporting one side or another, the only reality is death. Sadly, I still stand by my original phrase that there appears to be a "cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism." | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism. I believe the poster is referring to disaster capitalism, these capitalist have been seen by us all. they are, British P.M. The President of the USA. The French President. There is nothing Anti Semetic about highlighting a genocide which is supported by these governments. It is these governments that are supplying arms and money to a facilitate a genocide. Whilst turning a blind eye to genocide. Finally it is your support towards these governments who spout your rhetoric that makes them confident that they will get away with this as it is you that support this division of us all." Fine send UK troops to Gaza be a buffer for Hamas against Israel. Is that a preferred response? | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop." No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. | |||
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"...beyond the real comprehension of almost everyone to the point that the argument becomes sectarian rather than rational. While we are choosing pseudo intellectual stances, supporting one side or another, the only reality is death. Sadly, I still stand by my original phrase that there appears to be a "cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism" Exactly this. | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism. I believe the poster is referring to disaster capitalism, these capitalist have been seen by us all. they are, British P.M. The President of the USA. The French President. There is nothing Anti Semetic about highlighting a genocide which is supported by these governments. It is these governments that are supplying arms and money to a facilitate a genocide. Whilst turning a blind eye to genocide. Finally it is your support towards these governments who spout your rhetoric that makes them confident that they will get away with this as it is you that support this division of us all. My support?????....you assume something that is factually incorrect. Please ask before assuming as incorrect assumption simply negates the credibility of your argument. And there is no evidence in the analogy of disaster capitalism....just an assumption. What is happening is terrible, whether from one side or the other and beyond the real comprehension of almost everyone to the point that the argument becomes sectarian rather than rational. While we are choosing pseudo intellectual stances, supporting one side or another, the only reality is death. Sadly, I still stand by my original phrase that there appears to be a "cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism." " Thanks for the input | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar." How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism. I believe the poster is referring to disaster capitalism, these capitalist have been seen by us all. they are, British P.M. The President of the USA. The French President. There is nothing Anti Semetic about highlighting a genocide which is supported by these governments. It is these governments that are supplying arms and money to a facilitate a genocide. Whilst turning a blind eye to genocide. Finally it is your support towards these governments who spout your rhetoric that makes them confident that they will get away with this as it is you that support this division of us all. My support?????....you assume something that is factually incorrect. Please ask before assuming as incorrect assumption simply negates the credibility of your argument. And there is no evidence in the analogy of disaster capitalism....just an assumption. What is happening is terrible, whether from one side or the other and beyond the real comprehension of almost everyone to the point that the argument becomes sectarian rather than rational. While we are choosing pseudo intellectual stances, supporting one side or another, the only reality is death. Sadly, I still stand by my original phrase that there appears to be a "cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism." Thanks for the input" Always welcome regardless of the sentiment of how your thanks were delivered...as you may be aware, it is always easy to take a stance from the shelter of a keyboard. More meaningful input into the situation is by contribution to the relief organisations that are not proscribed in this country,to assist the innocent of both sides. | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. " the USs Eisenhower strike group is tasked to prevent Iran from causing havoc in the straight of Hormuz. If Iran shuts that down. Guess what it's going to be a long bleak winter in the UK. Worse than last year. You know the Russian aggression. I suggest you build more windmills real quick. So yea we are waving our dicks about and yes we are securing the petrodollar.I guess you would love the alternative. Higher costs and more people freezing. It makes total sense. | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice." I remember a pre 9-11 world, where this very attitude existed towards a bearded chap in a cave up in the mountains of Afghanistan… How did that work out? | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism. I would say the history of the land would tell us Israel has no intention of returning the land" And if all the Muslim countries won do you think they would give Israel their land back ? Nope. | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism. I would say the history of the land would tell us Israel has no intention of returning the land And if all the Muslim countries won do you think they would give Israel their land back ? Nope. " Considering the land was handed to Israel by Brits who wouldn’t have to stick around to face the consequences, I would say the land didn’t belong to Israel to begin with, especially if birthright is a thing where a 70 year old Palestinian can not return to their house yet a 18 year old born anywhere in the world and can prove Jewish ancestry is given a house that doesn’t belong to them and is in contravention of all UN mandates. | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism. I would say the history of the land would tell us Israel has no intention of returning the land And if all the Muslim countries won do you think they would give Israel their land back ? Nope. Considering the land was handed to Israel by Brits who wouldn’t have to stick around to face the consequences, I would say the land didn’t belong to Israel to begin with, especially if birthright is a thing where a 70 year old Palestinian can not return to their house yet a 18 year old born anywhere in the world and can prove Jewish ancestry is given a house that doesn’t belong to them and is in contravention of all UN mandates." Maybe you should go look up Judea. | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism. I would say the history of the land would tell us Israel has no intention of returning the land And if all the Muslim countries won do you think they would give Israel their land back ? Nope. And given this attitude you display of Muslims vs everyone else, I would tell you there are 1.9 billion muslims in the world, six of which majority countries include the top 25 most powerful militaries in the world, if all muslims wanted you dead, you’d be dead by now" Is everybody now going to spiral down a Mutually Assured Destruction argument? | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism. I would say the history of the land would tell us Israel has no intention of returning the land And if all the Muslim countries won do you think they would give Israel their land back ? Nope. Considering the land was handed to Israel by Brits who wouldn’t have to stick around to face the consequences, I would say the land didn’t belong to Israel to begin with, especially if birthright is a thing where a 70 year old Palestinian can not return to their house yet a 18 year old born anywhere in the world and can prove Jewish ancestry is given a house that doesn’t belong to them and is in contravention of all UN mandates. Maybe you should go look up Judea. I mean I respect all religions and peoples rigght to believe as they choose as long as they aren’t enforcing it upon others, yet at the same time if we’re using fiction based books (not meant in a derogatory manor, simply that you can’t scientifically aprove them) then can I join Gryfondor?" Sure but Judea has been confirmed by archeologists. Unless you are saying they are wrong. Be gryfandor if you fancy it doesn't mean you are correct. But I don't see Harry Potter in any 3000 year old archeological findings. Get back to me in 3000 years. You might prove your point. Unless you don't believe in scientific evidence well then you can be any fictional character you want to be. Can I call you Hagrid from now on ? | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism. I would say the history of the land would tell us Israel has no intention of returning the land And if all the Muslim countries won do you think they would give Israel their land back ? Nope. And given this attitude you display of Muslims vs everyone else, I would tell you there are 1.9 billion muslims in the world, six of which majority countries include the top 25 most powerful militaries in the world, if all muslims wanted you dead, you’d be dead by now Is everybody now going to spiral down a Mutually Assured Destruction argument?" My point was not made to support a mutually assured downward spiral, it was made in contravention of the users many posts of western juxtaposing and might is right attitude that they have displayed in many posts. As you can see above, I posted simply informing the poster that the attitude of don’t worry about Iran isn’t wise, as this was also applied to a certain chap in a cave in the mountains of Afghanistan, that didn’t work out well at all | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism. I would say the history of the land would tell us Israel has no intention of returning the land And if all the Muslim countries won do you think they would give Israel their land back ? Nope. And given this attitude you display of Muslims vs everyone else, I would tell you there are 1.9 billion muslims in the world, six of which majority countries include the top 25 most powerful militaries in the world, if all muslims wanted you dead, you’d be dead by now" I am still waiting. | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism. I would say the history of the land would tell us Israel has no intention of returning the land And if all the Muslim countries won do you think they would give Israel their land back ? Nope. Considering the land was handed to Israel by Brits who wouldn’t have to stick around to face the consequences, I would say the land didn’t belong to Israel to begin with, especially if birthright is a thing where a 70 year old Palestinian can not return to their house yet a 18 year old born anywhere in the world and can prove Jewish ancestry is given a house that doesn’t belong to them and is in contravention of all UN mandates. Maybe you should go look up Judea. I mean I respect all religions and peoples rigght to believe as they choose as long as they aren’t enforcing it upon others, yet at the same time if we’re using fiction based books (not meant in a derogatory manor, simply that you can’t scientifically aprove them) then can I join Gryfondor? Sure but Judea has been confirmed by archeologists. Unless you are saying they are wrong. Be gryfandor if you fancy it doesn't mean you are correct. But I don't see Harry Potter in any 3000 year old archeological findings. Get back to me in 3000 years. You might prove your point. Unless you don't believe in scientific evidence well then you can be any fictional character you want to be. Can I call you Hagrid from now on ? " I took Hagrid personally! But returning to the point in hand if we go far back enough shouldn’t we all just return to east africa (if genetics based) or Mesopotamia (if civilisation based) Or maybe even the Indus valley (arguable to Mesopotamia) but I promise you if you think arguing about Israel and palestine is hard, then cramming all 7.8 billion of us into those small areas is going to be difficult! | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism. I would say the history of the land would tell us Israel has no intention of returning the land And if all the Muslim countries won do you think they would give Israel their land back ? Nope. Considering the land was handed to Israel by Brits who wouldn’t have to stick around to face the consequences, I would say the land didn’t belong to Israel to begin with, especially if birthright is a thing where a 70 year old Palestinian can not return to their house yet a 18 year old born anywhere in the world and can prove Jewish ancestry is given a house that doesn’t belong to them and is in contravention of all UN mandates. Maybe you should go look up Judea. I mean I respect all religions and peoples rigght to believe as they choose as long as they aren’t enforcing it upon others, yet at the same time if we’re using fiction based books (not meant in a derogatory manor, simply that you can’t scientifically aprove them) then can I join Gryfondor? Sure but Judea has been confirmed by archeologists. Unless you are saying they are wrong. Be gryfandor if you fancy it doesn't mean you are correct. But I don't see Harry Potter in any 3000 year old archeological findings. Get back to me in 3000 years. You might prove your point. Unless you don't believe in scientific evidence well then you can be any fictional character you want to be. Can I call you Hagrid from now on ? I took Hagrid personally! But returning to the point in hand if we go far back enough shouldn’t we all just return to east africa (if genetics based) or Mesopotamia (if civilisation based) Or maybe even the Indus valley (arguable to Mesopotamia) but I promise you if you think arguing about Israel and palestine is hard, then cramming all 7.8 billion of us into those small areas is going to be difficult!" and that exactly is why people conquered others. To have a better quality of life. | |||
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"UNRWA are saying that 35 of there personnel have been killed so far because of the air strikes The personnel included teachers in UN run schools and doctors working in UN run hospitals and care facilities Israel’s response…. Deny the figures, say they don’t target civilian infrastructure Israel is making Gaza look like Mariupol Once it’s flattened they will keep it and rebuilt it as part of Israel. Luxury flats will built on the remains of Palestinian children. Sick I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. Alternatively, you are just a contributor to the cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism. I believe the poster is referring to disaster capitalism, these capitalist have been seen by us all. they are, British P.M. The President of the USA. The French President. There is nothing Anti Semetic about highlighting a genocide which is supported by these governments. It is these governments that are supplying arms and money to a facilitate a genocide. Whilst turning a blind eye to genocide. Finally it is your support towards these governments who spout your rhetoric that makes them confident that they will get away with this as it is you that support this division of us all. My support?????....you assume something that is factually incorrect. Please ask before assuming as incorrect assumption simply negates the credibility of your argument. And there is no evidence in the analogy of disaster capitalism....just an assumption. What is happening is terrible, whether from one side or the other and beyond the real comprehension of almost everyone to the point that the argument becomes sectarian rather than rational. While we are choosing pseudo intellectual stances, supporting one side or another, the only reality is death. Sadly, I still stand by my original phrase that there appears to be a "cycle of anti Israel and anti Palestinian rhetoric which verges on either Islamophobia or antisemitism." Thanks for the input Always welcome regardless of the sentiment of how your thanks were delivered...as you may be aware, it is always easy to take a stance from the shelter of a keyboard. More meaningful input into the situation is by contribution to the relief organisations that are not proscribed in this country,to assist the innocent of both sides." How did you see my sentiment through my words? I wrote thanks for your input, take that as thanks for your input. I use voice not a keyboard, and I am far from a warrior. I see one side taking there revenge to another level, a response taken to far, if they gave Hamas a bloody nose fair enough, but over 5000 lives, no that is not right, it breaks laws on a humanitarian level, not to mention the right to water, being told to go to a safe place and then bomb that place no can see that as right. | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. " Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say. | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say." The UK is reliant on oil and it would have huge and detrimental impact on the economy if it were not available. | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop." The negotiating table only works when both sides wish to negotiate. Hamas, at this point in time, have no appetite for negotiating. | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say. The UK is reliant on oil and it would have huge and detrimental impact on the economy if it were not available." They won’t cut oil that would be silly & greatly affect their own security within, but this is possible https://www.energyintel.com/00000184-15bf-df66-a797-ddffc2380000 S | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say. The UK is reliant on oil and it would have huge and detrimental impact on the economy if it were not available. They won’t cut oil that would be silly & greatly affect their own security within, but this is possible https://www.energyintel.com/00000184-15bf-df66-a797-ddffc2380000 S" I wonder if Britian buys oil with dollars, I am unsure. | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say. The UK is reliant on oil and it would have huge and detrimental impact on the economy if it were not available." Do you know if Britian buys oil in dollars if we do then yes we would be in trouble as we would crash with other countries who trade oil with the dollar, as you say. | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say. The UK is reliant on oil and it would have huge and detrimental impact on the economy if it were not available. Do you know if Britian buys oil in dollars if we do then yes we would be in trouble as we would crash with other countries who trade oil with the dollar, as you say." Isn’t ALL oil and gas traded in USD? | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say. The UK is reliant on oil and it would have huge and detrimental impact on the economy if it were not available. Do you know if Britian buys oil in dollars if we do then yes we would be in trouble as we would crash with other countries who trade oil with the dollar, as you say. Isn’t ALL oil and gas traded in USD?" Ok thanks for this answer. | |||
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" I suppose you must have seen the planning applications at the local authority or other actual evidence from the contractors. The Planning Directorate within the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been officially given the task of co-ordinating the postwar strategy https://www.ft.com/content/75d27680-cdaa-46f7-b810-10b594bb0ad2 The FT must have changed their article since you posted the link, because there is no mention of annexation of territory or the development of luxury homes or building above gravesites? It seems to suggest that Israel rushed in with no exit/handover strategy and that they're scrambling to make one now, since they were caught unawares and unready for this conflict." He knew full well the article said Jack in support of what he was saying. Just hoping no one went yo the effort of reading it. Just another lune like the one in the last thread saying non of the hammas atrocities happened and the hostiges are being treated well... | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say. The UK is reliant on oil and it would have huge and detrimental impact on the economy if it were not available. Do you know if Britian buys oil in dollars if we do then yes we would be in trouble as we would crash with other countries who trade oil with the dollar, as you say. Isn’t ALL oil and gas traded in USD? No, not anymore & was surprised it’s only been traded in dollars only since 74" So we have contradictory responses. I was sure all oil and gas was traded in USD. Can you tell me what you know thank you. | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say. The UK is reliant on oil and it would have huge and detrimental impact on the economy if it were not available. Do you know if Britian buys oil in dollars if we do then yes we would be in trouble as we would crash with other countries who trade oil with the dollar, as you say. Isn’t ALL oil and gas traded in USD? No, not anymore & was surprised it’s only been traded in dollars only since 74 So we have contradictory responses. I was sure all oil and gas was traded in USD. Can you tell me what you know thank you." I believe your right hence why it is called the petrodollar, I just wondered if we are at risk if the whole region escalated into war. And it would explain for me why the US protects their interest there and it seems we have the same reason to do so. Thats why I asked and thanks for your answers. | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say. The UK is reliant on oil and it would have huge and detrimental impact on the economy if it were not available. Do you know if Britian buys oil in dollars if we do then yes we would be in trouble as we would crash with other countries who trade oil with the dollar, as you say. Isn’t ALL oil and gas traded in USD? No, not anymore & was surprised it’s only been traded in dollars only since 74 So we have contradictory responses. I was sure all oil and gas was traded in USD. Can you tell me what you know thank you. I believe your right hence why it is called the petrodollar, I just wondered if we are at risk if the whole region escalated into war. And it would explain for me why the US protects their interest there and it seems we have the same reason to do so. Thats why I asked and thanks for your answers." If you read all of the report I linked, but anyway Russia is still trading oil/gas do those countries that say “Fck you” to sanctions. Putin is selling his resources in local currency whether it be buyers or sellers. Countries like China & India are raking it in as its 30% lower in cost. Pretty sure Turkey is also not paying in dollars not for Putins supply anyway. The Oetrofollar came about after a meeting between the USA/OPEC in the 70’s crises where an agreement was made to sell oil only in USD. This has been the start/middle & likely be the end of the USA being the centre of the universe. The USA no longer buy from OPEC, on paper st least but in the same way Europe don’t buy oil from Putin. Others do, India for instance who supply others like parts of North Africa, who supply parts of Southern Europe. Doesn’t take too long to figure out why the energy panic in Europe last year is virtually over does it? America up until recently bouts more oil from Canada than Canada produced, so Canada bought in & so it went on until eventually to fill American fuel tanks someone bought from OPEC & all that trading in USD propping up the USA allowing her to go 31Trillion dollars in debt & being able to make interest payments of a staggering 1.5billion dollars a day. As I said OPEC could end the USA within months if they swapped to Euros which is most likely currency. S | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say. The UK is reliant on oil and it would have huge and detrimental impact on the economy if it were not available. Do you know if Britian buys oil in dollars if we do then yes we would be in trouble as we would crash with other countries who trade oil with the dollar, as you say. Isn’t ALL oil and gas traded in USD? No, not anymore & was surprised it’s only been traded in dollars only since 74 So we have contradictory responses. I was sure all oil and gas was traded in USD. Can you tell me what you know thank you. I believe your right hence why it is called the petrodollar, I just wondered if we are at risk if the whole region escalated into war. And it would explain for me why the US protects their interest there and it seems we have the same reason to do so. Thats why I asked and thanks for your answers. If you read all of the report I linked, but anyway Russia is still trading oil/gas do those countries that say “Fck you” to sanctions. Putin is selling his resources in local currency whether it be buyers or sellers. Countries like China & India are raking it in as its 30% lower in cost. Pretty sure Turkey is also not paying in dollars not for Putins supply anyway. The Oetrofollar came about after a meeting between the USA/OPEC in the 70’s crises where an agreement was made to sell oil only in USD. This has been the start/middle & likely be the end of the USA being the centre of the universe. The USA no longer buy from OPEC, on paper st least but in the same way Europe don’t buy oil from Putin. Others do, India for instance who supply others like parts of North Africa, who supply parts of Southern Europe. Doesn’t take too long to figure out why the energy panic in Europe last year is virtually over does it? America up until recently bouts more oil from Canada than Canada produced, so Canada bought in & so it went on until eventually to fill American fuel tanks someone bought from OPEC & all that trading in USD propping up the USA allowing her to go 31Trillion dollars in debt & being able to make interest payments of a staggering 1.5billion dollars a day. As I said OPEC could end the USA within months if they swapped to Euros which is most likely currency. S" I just read your link thanks for that it is what I assumed, but didn't know about the Saudi connection. So another question for who can answer, the US funding Ukraine and Israel, would these countries have to pay back what was loaned to them. | |||
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" As I said OPEC could end the USA within months if they swapped to Euros which is most likely currency. S" Yup, part of the reason USA has two large ships parked off the coast of Israel. Israel protects the USA interests in the region. | |||
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"Israel protects the USA interests in the region." Which interests are protected, and how does Israel protect them? (genuine question) | |||
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"Israel protects the USA interests in the region. Which interests are protected, and how does Israel protect them? (genuine question)" A previous poster posted a link to an article which explains the US involvement. Also there is a documentary called Bitter Lake on BBC iPlayer which explains how the whole region came to be, which also explains the depth of US involvement in the region. Goto protect that petrodollar. | |||
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"Israel protects the USA interests in the region. Which interests are protected, and how does Israel protect them? (genuine question)" Possibly by validating a reason to be there in the first place while not actually being seen as an aggressor just protecting its global interests? In case you didn’t notice before anyone of importance from the USA went to Israel someone met with the Saudi Royal Family. I’d guess to get an appraisal as to how far the Arab world would allow (& it is allow) Israel to go & to ensure things are all good. IMO Israel are holding back on their ground offensive because I believe their game plan was to take Gaza and stay there. She got told no settling by dad & via aunty SA. & like a petulant child she’s smashing up all the toys anyway. Of course none of this would ever be public to save face & not let Joe Public know what really goes on & who really pull the strings. S | |||
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"A previous poster posted a link to an article which explains the US involvement. Also there is a documentary called Bitter Lake on BBC iPlayer which explains how the whole region came to be, which also explains the depth of US involvement in the region. Goto protect that petrodollar. Will that explain (in simple and direct terms), specifically which interests are protected (by Israel) and how Israel protects them? Can you summarise in 2 paragraphs or less (without fear of being accused of oversimplification)? " Well really no. I say with respect that you will have to undertake what I did and seek out information which reflects both sides and also use your memory and you will come to a conclusion yourself. Plus if you have heard of the petrodollar then you will already know what interests are being protected. | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say. The UK is reliant on oil and it would have huge and detrimental impact on the economy if it were not available. Do you know if Britian buys oil in dollars if we do then yes we would be in trouble as we would crash with other countries who trade oil with the dollar, as you say. Isn’t ALL oil and gas traded in USD? No, not anymore & was surprised it’s only been traded in dollars only since 74 So we have contradictory responses. I was sure all oil and gas was traded in USD. Can you tell me what you know thank you. I believe your right hence why it is called the petrodollar, I just wondered if we are at risk if the whole region escalated into war. And it would explain for me why the US protects their interest there and it seems we have the same reason to do so. Thats why I asked and thanks for your answers. If you read all of the report I linked, but anyway Russia is still trading oil/gas do those countries that say “Fck you” to sanctions. Putin is selling his resources in local currency whether it be buyers or sellers. Countries like China & India are raking it in as its 30% lower in cost. Pretty sure Turkey is also not paying in dollars not for Putins supply anyway. The Oetrofollar came about after a meeting between the USA/OPEC in the 70’s crises where an agreement was made to sell oil only in USD. This has been the start/middle & likely be the end of the USA being the centre of the universe. The USA no longer buy from OPEC, on paper st least but in the same way Europe don’t buy oil from Putin. Others do, India for instance who supply others like parts of North Africa, who supply parts of Southern Europe. Doesn’t take too long to figure out why the energy panic in Europe last year is virtually over does it? America up until recently bouts more oil from Canada than Canada produced, so Canada bought in & so it went on until eventually to fill American fuel tanks someone bought from OPEC & all that trading in USD propping up the USA allowing her to go 31Trillion dollars in debt & being able to make interest payments of a staggering 1.5billion dollars a day. As I said OPEC could end the USA within months if they swapped to Euros which is most likely currency. S I just read your link thanks for that it is what I assumed, but didn't know about the Saudi connection. So another question for who can answer, the US funding Ukraine and Israel, would these countries have to pay back what was loaned to them. Judging by the fact the UK only made its final war loan payments in the last twenty years or so I’d say yes. “Protector of the free world....... as long as you pay us one way or another”.
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Payment can also take many forms not just “cash”."dunno how isreal is paying the u.s,but as for ukraine i should imagine most of there usable farmland thats left in the part of ukraine they manage to keep will be in u.s hands | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say. The UK is reliant on oil and it would have huge and detrimental impact on the economy if it were not available. Do you know if Britian buys oil in dollars if we do then yes we would be in trouble as we would crash with other countries who trade oil with the dollar, as you say. Isn’t ALL oil and gas traded in USD? No, not anymore & was surprised it’s only been traded in dollars only since 74 So we have contradictory responses. I was sure all oil and gas was traded in USD. Can you tell me what you know thank you. I believe your right hence why it is called the petrodollar, I just wondered if we are at risk if the whole region escalated into war. And it would explain for me why the US protects their interest there and it seems we have the same reason to do so. Thats why I asked and thanks for your answers. If you read all of the report I linked, but anyway Russia is still trading oil/gas do those countries that say “Fck you” to sanctions. Putin is selling his resources in local currency whether it be buyers or sellers. Countries like China & India are raking it in as its 30% lower in cost. Pretty sure Turkey is also not paying in dollars not for Putins supply anyway. The Oetrofollar came about after a meeting between the USA/OPEC in the 70’s crises where an agreement was made to sell oil only in USD. This has been the start/middle & likely be the end of the USA being the centre of the universe. The USA no longer buy from OPEC, on paper st least but in the same way Europe don’t buy oil from Putin. Others do, India for instance who supply others like parts of North Africa, who supply parts of Southern Europe. Doesn’t take too long to figure out why the energy panic in Europe last year is virtually over does it? America up until recently bouts more oil from Canada than Canada produced, so Canada bought in & so it went on until eventually to fill American fuel tanks someone bought from OPEC & all that trading in USD propping up the USA allowing her to go 31Trillion dollars in debt & being able to make interest payments of a staggering 1.5billion dollars a day. As I said OPEC could end the USA within months if they swapped to Euros which is most likely currency. S I just read your link thanks for that it is what I assumed, but didn't know about the Saudi connection. So another question for who can answer, the US funding Ukraine and Israel, would these countries have to pay back what was loaned to them. Judging by the fact the UK only made its final war loan payments in the last twenty years or so I’d say yes. “Protector of the free world....... as long as you pay us one way or another”.
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Payment can also take many forms not just “cash”."Yep & I’d guess it’s why odd countries like Belgium, Japan & the UK are the top holders of the USA’s National debt. Foreign states hold 11 Trillion dollars of it. Interestingly the Saudi’s have been offloading theirs slowly for the decade or so since Gulf2 & now only hold about 100Billion, China too have been offloading what they can. For various reasons obviously like current turmoil in China. Not so much in Saudi though. Wonder what will happen when no Middle East state holds any of the USA’s debt? Scans thread for previous answer... Oh yeah, might be a long term plan, the desert will wait. We’ll just have to see. OR....... Conversely of course Israel could be a tool, let her invade Gaza, Iran & Jordan attack, maybe Syria too. Between them Israel & the USA (& Saudi’s) wipe the floor with them after yet another war in the Middle East. Result, The USD continues to be propped up by the oil trade, The Saudi royal family stay in power & stay as the power brokers of the Middle East & their enemy Iran is back in the dark ages & Israel get to keep Gaza. How’s that work for everybody? S | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say. The UK is reliant on oil and it would have huge and detrimental impact on the economy if it were not available. Do you know if Britian buys oil in dollars if we do then yes we would be in trouble as we would crash with other countries who trade oil with the dollar, as you say. Isn’t ALL oil and gas traded in USD? No, not anymore & was surprised it’s only been traded in dollars only since 74 So we have contradictory responses. I was sure all oil and gas was traded in USD. Can you tell me what you know thank you. I believe your right hence why it is called the petrodollar, I just wondered if we are at risk if the whole region escalated into war. And it would explain for me why the US protects their interest there and it seems we have the same reason to do so. Thats why I asked and thanks for your answers. If you read all of the report I linked, but anyway Russia is still trading oil/gas do those countries that say “Fck you” to sanctions. Putin is selling his resources in local currency whether it be buyers or sellers. Countries like China & India are raking it in as its 30% lower in cost. Pretty sure Turkey is also not paying in dollars not for Putins supply anyway. The Oetrofollar came about after a meeting between the USA/OPEC in the 70’s crises where an agreement was made to sell oil only in USD. This has been the start/middle & likely be the end of the USA being the centre of the universe. The USA no longer buy from OPEC, on paper st least but in the same way Europe don’t buy oil from Putin. Others do, India for instance who supply others like parts of North Africa, who supply parts of Southern Europe. Doesn’t take too long to figure out why the energy panic in Europe last year is virtually over does it? America up until recently bouts more oil from Canada than Canada produced, so Canada bought in & so it went on until eventually to fill American fuel tanks someone bought from OPEC & all that trading in USD propping up the USA allowing her to go 31Trillion dollars in debt & being able to make interest payments of a staggering 1.5billion dollars a day. As I said OPEC could end the USA within months if they swapped to Euros which is most likely currency. S I just read your link thanks for that it is what I assumed, but didn't know about the Saudi connection. So another question for who can answer, the US funding Ukraine and Israel, would these countries have to pay back what was loaned to them. Judging by the fact the UK only made its final war loan payments in the last twenty years or so I’d say yes. “Protector of the free world....... as long as you pay us one way or another”.
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Payment can also take many forms not just “cash”.dunno how isreal is paying the u.s,but as for ukraine i should imagine most of there usable farmland thats left in the part of ukraine they manage to keep will be in u.s hands"I seem to recall in the months leading up to Russias invasion that huge gas reserves were discovered below Ukraine. | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. No worries about Iran all bark no bite except by using others for terrorism in case you didn't notice. Gota secure that petrodollar. How is your inflation again? Ok let's raise it more. Seems you are inclined to make that happen during the winter months. How thoughtful of you. Our economy is not based on oil, we need it but we would not fall apart without it, gota protect that petrodollar. Hence you got to protect Israel, without causing a war. or further escalation I should say. The UK is reliant on oil and it would have huge and detrimental impact on the economy if it were not available. Do you know if Britian buys oil in dollars if we do then yes we would be in trouble as we would crash with other countries who trade oil with the dollar, as you say. Isn’t ALL oil and gas traded in USD? No, not anymore & was surprised it’s only been traded in dollars only since 74 So we have contradictory responses. I was sure all oil and gas was traded in USD. Can you tell me what you know thank you. I believe your right hence why it is called the petrodollar, I just wondered if we are at risk if the whole region escalated into war. And it would explain for me why the US protects their interest there and it seems we have the same reason to do so. Thats why I asked and thanks for your answers. If you read all of the report I linked, but anyway Russia is still trading oil/gas do those countries that say “Fck you” to sanctions. Putin is selling his resources in local currency whether it be buyers or sellers. Countries like China & India are raking it in as its 30% lower in cost. Pretty sure Turkey is also not paying in dollars not for Putins supply anyway. The Oetrofollar came about after a meeting between the USA/OPEC in the 70’s crises where an agreement was made to sell oil only in USD. This has been the start/middle & likely be the end of the USA being the centre of the universe. The USA no longer buy from OPEC, on paper st least but in the same way Europe don’t buy oil from Putin. Others do, India for instance who supply others like parts of North Africa, who supply parts of Southern Europe. Doesn’t take too long to figure out why the energy panic in Europe last year is virtually over does it? America up until recently bouts more oil from Canada than Canada produced, so Canada bought in & so it went on until eventually to fill American fuel tanks someone bought from OPEC & all that trading in USD propping up the USA allowing her to go 31Trillion dollars in debt & being able to make interest payments of a staggering 1.5billion dollars a day. As I said OPEC could end the USA within months if they swapped to Euros which is most likely currency. S I just read your link thanks for that it is what I assumed, but didn't know about the Saudi connection. So another question for who can answer, the US funding Ukraine and Israel, would these countries have to pay back what was loaned to them. Judging by the fact the UK only made its final war loan payments in the last twenty years or so I’d say yes. “Protector of the free world....... as long as you pay us one way or another”.
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Payment can also take many forms not just “cash”.dunno how isreal is paying the u.s,but as for ukraine i should imagine most of there usable farmland thats left in the part of ukraine they manage to keep will be in u.s hands
I seem to recall in the months leading up to Russias invasion that huge gas reserves were discovered below Ukraine. "could well be gas under there, but if its in the part controlled by russia they may aswell kiss goodbye to that, then again is there still a war going on in ukraine its dissapeared from the tv altogether | |||
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"Israel protects the USA interests in the region. Which interests are protected, and how does Israel protect them? (genuine question) Hear it direct from the horses mouth https://youtu.be/2HZs-v0PR44?si=tk8WfDINNbMjGGJH It still isn't clear what the interests are and how Israel protects them. Nobody seems to be able to express this (not even the president of the USA). Perhaps it warrants further research." Israel does not, but as I posted it does give the USA reason to be there which otherwise she would not have. As I posted the US makes a bike thing now about it being “Free of Middle East oil” if that’s true that backs up the assumption that without Israel bring there the USA would have no legitimate reason to be. S As an aside I find it utterly crass of the Israeli leadership to be worrying more about a statement from the United Nations & calling for the resignation of its head & that the fact almost the whole world has said “Enough” all while still firing missiles & bombs on civilians & not allowing aid in. And everyone thinks Hamas are the only barbarians. Just fck right off with that bollocks now. S S | |||
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"It needs to end, before millions of people die. How can a race of people who experience their own genocide, do the same-thing to another." I know it's a very hypocritical mentality but all they are going to do is create martyrs. Death+death=more death | |||
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"It needs to end, before millions of people die. How can a race of people who experience their own genocide, do the same-thing to another." They set up that excuse last night by saying that Hamas is hoarding the available fuel….. they are not going to let any in and still try and blame Hamas, whilst sending an FU to the UN It does feel more and more like collective punishment…. When UNRWA does run out.. they will still blame hamas | |||
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"Israel are playing an interesting game here… 1st they tell people to move south… and still bomb the south Then they say anyone who decides to stay in the north may be considered to be an enemy combatant, which sets up the excuse for when they kill civilians more than they are doing now They are basically going to flatten the place more than they have! Using religious quotes at the end to not give the land back He is setting up the next stage… bomb Lebanon, bomb Syria, taking out people in the West Bank, and starving an entire population out of existence I wonder if it gets to the stage where the un just try and send in aid and dare the Israeli’s to shoot it down, or if the Israeli bomb the rafah crossing again to take the road out" I would honestly hope at that point China, Russia & the rest of the Middle East if not behind the scenes the whole world say to America “Walk away now or we are all going to die because of a religious crackpot”. crazily a crackpot who didn’t even win the election & is close to finishing what Hitler started. I think Israelis need to off him & the two top guys within the IDF because they spout the same shit before they all die along with many many others. S | |||
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" I wonder if it gets to the stage where the un just try and send in aid and dare the Israeli’s to shoot it down, or if the Israeli bomb the rafah crossing again to take the road out" Highly unlikely, took them three and half years of war before going into Bosnia and they’ve not entered Ukraine yet. UN failed dismally in Rwanda too | |||
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"It needs to end, before millions of people die. How can a race of people who experience their own genocide, do the same-thing to another. I know it's a very hypocritical mentality but all they are going to do is create martyrs. Death+death=more death I suppose thats the best way you could think of to justify genocide. " I'm not saying it's justified it's just the crazy mentality of the situation I don't understand how and why the deaths of innocents is justified in people's eyes it's just going to create more deaths and suffering. | |||
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"It needs to end, before millions of people die. How can a race of people who experience their own genocide, do the same-thing to another. They set up that excuse last night by saying that Hamas is hoarding the available fuel….. they are not going to let any in and still try and blame Hamas, whilst sending an FU to the UN It does feel more and more like collective punishment…. When UNRWA does run out.. they will still blame hamas" Yes I saw that, so made me think if harm comes to any hostage, they will blame Hamas again. | |||
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"Just read this on the Beeb & tbh confirms my suspicions really. “The IDF day 222 people are being held hostage” Note the IDF say, not Hamas. “The IDF have notified some families that their loved ones are being held & they have names of those unaccounted for, believed taken”. “This list is regularly updated & names may change as some feared taken are confirmed to be free or killed”. Sorry, run that past me again? So because someone isn’t found atm in a war zone the assumption is kid napped? Now go back to our friend the pathologists statement “We currently have 200+ bodies we are yet to identify”. Anyone see a problem here? S" Identify meaning they are unrecognizable or no identification. Human bodies don't take grenades that well. Especially in confined spaces like a safe room. DNA analysis needed. | |||
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"Just read this on the Beeb & tbh confirms my suspicions really. “The IDF day 222 people are being held hostage” Note the IDF say, not Hamas. “The IDF have notified some families that their loved ones are being held & they have names of those unaccounted for, believed taken”. “This list is regularly updated & names may change as some feared taken are confirmed to be free or killed”. Sorry, run that past me again? So because someone isn’t found atm in a war zone the assumption is kid napped? Now go back to our friend the pathologists statement “We currently have 200+ bodies we are yet to identify”. Anyone see a problem here? S Identify meaning they are unrecognizable or no identification. Human bodies don't take grenades that well. Especially in confined spaces like a safe room. DNA analysis needed." You are missing the point. Israel has 200 bodies, it also says over 200 have been taken because that’s how many they cannot find, not because they know for certain they are being held by Hamas. If you have 200 unidentified bodies & 220 missing citizens Logic says you have possibly 20 taken, the rest your pathologist has & is working through. S | |||
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"Just read this on the Beeb & tbh confirms my suspicions really. “The IDF day 222 people are being held hostage” Note the IDF say, not Hamas. “The IDF have notified some families that their loved ones are being held & they have names of those unaccounted for, believed taken”. “This list is regularly updated & names may change as some feared taken are confirmed to be free or killed”. Sorry, run that past me again? So because someone isn’t found atm in a war zone the assumption is kid napped? Now go back to our friend the pathologists statement “We currently have 200+ bodies we are yet to identify”. Anyone see a problem here? S Identify meaning they are unrecognizable or no identification. Human bodies don't take grenades that well. Especially in confined spaces like a safe room. DNA analysis needed. You are missing the point. Israel has 200 bodies, it also says over 200 have been taken because that’s how many they cannot find, not because they know for certain they are being held by Hamas. If you have 200 unidentified bodies & 220 missing citizens Logic says you have possibly 20 taken, the rest your pathologist has & is working through. S" well you will have to wait on those identies and Hamas needs to release the ones they have so the Israelis get a final count. DNA takes awhile sorry you can't have instant results. | |||
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"Just read this on the Beeb & tbh confirms my suspicions really. “The IDF day 222 people are being held hostage” Note the IDF say, not Hamas. “The IDF have notified some families that their loved ones are being held & they have names of those unaccounted for, believed taken”. “This list is regularly updated & names may change as some feared taken are confirmed to be free or killed”. Sorry, run that past me again? So because someone isn’t found atm in a war zone the assumption is kid napped? Now go back to our friend the pathologists statement “We currently have 200+ bodies we are yet to identify”. Anyone see a problem here? S Identify meaning they are unrecognizable or no identification. Human bodies don't take grenades that well. Especially in confined spaces like a safe room. DNA analysis needed. You are missing the point. Israel has 200 bodies, it also says over 200 have been taken because that’s how many they cannot find, not because they know for certain they are being held by Hamas. If you have 200 unidentified bodies & 220 missing citizens Logic says you have possibly 20 taken, the rest your pathologist has & is working through. S well you will have to wait on those identies and Hamas needs to release the ones they have so the Israelis get a final count. DNA takes awhile sorry you can't have instant results." So why say Hamas are holding over 220 people? Math says that’s physically not possible if you only have 220 missing people & 200 unidentified bodies, unless the vast majority of the unidentified bodies are not Israeli which is highly unlikely. The whole point I’m making is it seems again Israel are bigging up the truth to give its actions verification & no one is pulling them up on it. Seeing as we are hearing from Hamas about strikes, casualties, fuel for hospitals.etc. Why do we not get told how many they have? Why is it always info from IDF? S | |||
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"Have to admit, the one sided coverage sounds like attempts to justify escalating the violence against unarmed civilians. Imagine if the UK army fired rockets and dropped 1000lb bombs on Dublin just because of the activity of the IRA? "I flick between Al Jazeera, the Beeb & others & it’s quite obvious. I think the released hostage of 85 did Israel no favours at all. Headlines of “I went through hell” then you actually read her full account which you will not SEE crucially on MSM, you have to read it & that for many is not how they get their news/sound bites in the 21stC Shared the food of her captors Saw a doctor every few days Saw someone who’d had a motorcycle crash being treated & given daily medication & care. Shook the hands of her captors & said Thank you when released. Doesn’t quite fit the narrative does it so expect the next released to be whisked away for IDF “questioning”. & now more details emerging on the hospital strike too putting doubt on the “Misfire” story. S S | |||
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"Have to admit, the one sided coverage sounds like attempts to justify escalating the violence against unarmed civilians. Imagine if the UK army fired rockets and dropped 1000lb bombs on Dublin just because of the activity of the IRA?
I flick between Al Jazeera, the Beeb & others & it’s quite obvious. I think the released hostage of 85 did Israel no favours at all. Headlines of “I went through hell” then you actually read her full account which you will not SEE crucially on MSM, you have to read it & that for many is not how they get their news/sound bites in the 21stC
Shared the food of her captors
Saw a doctor every few days
Saw someone who’d had a motorcycle crash being treated & given daily medication & care.
Shook the hands of her captors & said Thank you when released.
Doesn’t quite fit the narrative does it so expect the next released to be whisked away for IDF “questioning”.
& now more details emerging on the hospital strike too putting doubt on the “Misfire” story.
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"Have to admit, the one sided coverage sounds like attempts to justify escalating the violence against unarmed civilians. Imagine if the UK army fired rockets and dropped 1000lb bombs on Dublin just because of the activity of the IRA?
I flick between Al Jazeera, the Beeb & others & it’s quite obvious. I think the released hostage of 85 did Israel no favours at all. Headlines of “I went through hell” then you actually read her full account which you will not SEE crucially on MSM, you have to read it & that for many is not how they get their news/sound bites in the 21stC
Shared the food of her captors
Saw a doctor every few days
Saw someone who’d had a motorcycle crash being treated & given daily medication & care.
Shook the hands of her captors & said Thank you when released.
Doesn’t quite fit the narrative does it so expect the next released to be whisked away for IDF “questioning”.
& now more details emerging on the hospital strike too putting doubt on the “Misfire” story.
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Doesn't fit what narrative? Yours?"200 hostages taken aljazzera says. 200 people that can't be identified because they look like ground beef. Tell Hamas to release the hostages so they can get a accurate headcount. Otherwise they have 200 hostages . They are not denying it. They said they would release the hostages if Israel stops their airstrikes. If Israel capitulates that is a bad idea.That sends a signal that anyone can just take hostages with no consequences. | |||
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I flick between Al Jazeera, the Beeb & others & it’s quite obvious. I think the released hostage of 85 did Israel no favours at all. Headlines of “I went through hell” then you actually read her full account which you will not SEE crucially on MSM, you have to read it & that for many is not how they get their news/sound bites in the 21stC
Shared the food of her captors
Saw a doctor every few days
Saw someone who’d had a motorcycle crash being treated & given daily medication & care.
Shook the hands of her captors & said Thank you when released.
Doesn’t quite fit the narrative does it so expect the next released to be whisked away for IDF “questioning”.
& now more details emerging on the hospital strike too putting doubt on the “Misfire” story.
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Doesn't fit what narrative? Yours? 200 hostages taken aljazzera says. 200 people that can't be identified because they look like ground beef. Tell Hamas to release the hostages so they can get a accurate headcount. Otherwise they have 200 hostages . They are not denying it. They said they would release the hostages if Israel stops their airstrikes. If Israel capitulates that is a bad idea.That sends a signal that anyone can just take hostages with no consequences."Apart from being bombed to fuck of course. | |||
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"Have to admit, the one sided coverage sounds like attempts to justify escalating the violence against unarmed civilians. Imagine if the UK army fired rockets and dropped 1000lb bombs on Dublin just because of the activity of the IRA?
I flick between Al Jazeera, the Beeb & others & it’s quite obvious. I think the released hostage of 85 did Israel no favours at all. Headlines of “I went through hell” then you actually read her full account which you will not SEE crucially on MSM, you have to read it & that for many is not how they get their news/sound bites in the 21stC
Shared the food of her captors
Saw a doctor every few days
Saw someone who’d had a motorcycle crash being treated & given daily medication & care.
Shook the hands of her captors & said Thank you when released.
Doesn’t quite fit the narrative does it so expect the next released to be whisked away for IDF “questioning”.
& now more details emerging on the hospital strike too putting doubt on the “Misfire” story.
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Doesn't fit what narrative? Yours? 200 hostages taken aljazzera says. 200 people that can't be identified because they look like ground beef. Tell Hamas to release the hostages so they can get a accurate headcount. Otherwise they have 200 hostages . They are not denying it. They said they would release the hostages if Israel stops their airstrikes. If Israel capitulates that is a bad idea.That sends a signal that anyone can just take hostages with no consequences."Yep, and the lack of tactical ops understanding is obvious from certain posts, but they have a keyboard and a message..... | |||
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"Have to admit, the one sided coverage sounds like attempts to justify escalating the violence against unarmed civilians. Imagine if the UK army fired rockets and dropped 1000lb bombs on Dublin just because of the activity of the IRA?
I flick between Al Jazeera, the Beeb & others & it’s quite obvious. I think the released hostage of 85 did Israel no favours at all. Headlines of “I went through hell” then you actually read her full account which you will not SEE crucially on MSM, you have to read it & that for many is not how they get their news/sound bites in the 21stC
Shared the food of her captors
Saw a doctor every few days
Saw someone who’d had a motorcycle crash being treated & given daily medication & care.
Shook the hands of her captors & said Thank you when released.
Doesn’t quite fit the narrative does it so expect the next released to be whisked away for IDF “questioning”.
& now more details emerging on the hospital strike too putting doubt on the “Misfire” story.
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Doesn't fit what narrative? Yours? 200 hostages taken aljazzera says. 200 people that can't be identified because they look like ground beef. Tell Hamas to release the hostages so they can get a accurate headcount. Otherwise they have 200 hostages . They are not denying it. They said they would release the hostages if Israel stops their airstrikes. If Israel capitulates that is a bad idea.That sends a signal that anyone can just take hostages with no consequences.
Apart from being bombed to fuck of course. "Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. | |||
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"Have to admit, the one sided coverage sounds like attempts to justify escalating the violence against unarmed civilians. Imagine if the UK army fired rockets and dropped 1000lb bombs on Dublin just because of the activity of the IRA?
I flick between Al Jazeera, the Beeb & others & it’s quite obvious. I think the released hostage of 85 did Israel no favours at all. Headlines of “I went through hell” then you actually read her full account which you will not SEE crucially on MSM, you have to read it & that for many is not how they get their news/sound bites in the 21stC
Shared the food of her captors
Saw a doctor every few days
Saw someone who’d had a motorcycle crash being treated & given daily medication & care.
Shook the hands of her captors & said Thank you when released.
Doesn’t quite fit the narrative does it so expect the next released to be whisked away for IDF “questioning”.
& now more details emerging on the hospital strike too putting doubt on the “Misfire” story.
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Doesn't fit what narrative? Yours? 200 hostages taken aljazzera says. 200 people that can't be identified because they look like ground beef. Tell Hamas to release the hostages so they can get a accurate headcount. Otherwise they have 200 hostages . They are not denying it. They said they would release the hostages if Israel stops their airstrikes. If Israel capitulates that is a bad idea.That sends a signal that anyone can just take hostages with no consequences.
Apart from being bombed to fuck of course. Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. "Don't really understand your post, I want to understand your point. Is Team A civilians, and team B Hamas/IDF? | |||
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"Have to admit, the one sided coverage sounds like attempts to justify escalating the violence against unarmed civilians. Imagine if the UK army fired rockets and dropped 1000lb bombs on Dublin just because of the activity of the IRA?
I flick between Al Jazeera, the Beeb & others & it’s quite obvious. I think the released hostage of 85 did Israel no favours at all. Headlines of “I went through hell” then you actually read her full account which you will not SEE crucially on MSM, you have to read it & that for many is not how they get their news/sound bites in the 21stC
Shared the food of her captors
Saw a doctor every few days
Saw someone who’d had a motorcycle crash being treated & given daily medication & care.
Shook the hands of her captors & said Thank you when released.
Doesn’t quite fit the narrative does it so expect the next released to be whisked away for IDF “questioning”.
& now more details emerging on the hospital strike too putting doubt on the “Misfire” story.
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Doesn't fit what narrative? Yours? 200 hostages taken aljazzera says. 200 people that can't be identified because they look like ground beef. Tell Hamas to release the hostages so they can get a accurate headcount. Otherwise they have 200 hostages . They are not denying it. They said they would release the hostages if Israel stops their airstrikes. If Israel capitulates that is a bad idea.That sends a signal that anyone can just take hostages with no consequences.
Apart from being bombed to fuck of course. Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at.
Don't really understand your post, I want to understand your point.
Is Team A civilians, and team B Hamas/IDF?"Exactly you don't. Your ignorance is comical. | |||
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"Have to admit, the one sided coverage sounds like attempts to justify escalating the violence against unarmed civilians. Imagine if the UK army fired rockets and dropped 1000lb bombs on Dublin just because of the activity of the IRA?
I flick between Al Jazeera, the Beeb & others & it’s quite obvious. I think the released hostage of 85 did Israel no favours at all. Headlines of “I went through hell” then you actually read her full account which you will not SEE crucially on MSM, you have to read it & that for many is not how they get their news/sound bites in the 21stC
Shared the food of her captors
Saw a doctor every few days
Saw someone who’d had a motorcycle crash being treated & given daily medication & care.
Shook the hands of her captors & said Thank you when released.
Doesn’t quite fit the narrative does it so expect the next released to be whisked away for IDF “questioning”.
& now more details emerging on the hospital strike too putting doubt on the “Misfire” story.
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Doesn't fit what narrative? Yours? 200 hostages taken aljazzera says. 200 people that can't be identified because they look like ground beef. Tell Hamas to release the hostages so they can get a accurate headcount. Otherwise they have 200 hostages . They are not denying it. They said they would release the hostages if Israel stops their airstrikes. If Israel capitulates that is a bad idea.That sends a signal that anyone can just take hostages with no consequences.
Apart from being bombed to fuck of course. Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at.
Don't really understand your post, I want to understand your point.
Is Team A civilians, and team B Hamas/IDF?Exactly you don't. Your ignorance is comical."Or your lack of explanation is damning? | |||
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"Have to admit, the one sided coverage sounds like attempts to justify escalating the violence against unarmed civilians. Imagine if the UK army fired rockets and dropped 1000lb bombs on Dublin just because of the activity of the IRA?
I flick between Al Jazeera, the Beeb & others & it’s quite obvious. I think the released hostage of 85 did Israel no favours at all. Headlines of “I went through hell” then you actually read her full account which you will not SEE crucially on MSM, you have to read it & that for many is not how they get their news/sound bites in the 21stC
Shared the food of her captors
Saw a doctor every few days
Saw someone who’d had a motorcycle crash being treated & given daily medication & care.
Shook the hands of her captors & said Thank you when released.
Doesn’t quite fit the narrative does it so expect the next released to be whisked away for IDF “questioning”.
& now more details emerging on the hospital strike too putting doubt on the “Misfire” story.
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Doesn't fit what narrative? Yours? 200 hostages taken aljazzera says. 200 people that can't be identified because they look like ground beef. Tell Hamas to release the hostages so they can get a accurate headcount. Otherwise they have 200 hostages . They are not denying it. They said they would release the hostages if Israel stops their airstrikes. If Israel capitulates that is a bad idea.That sends a signal that anyone can just take hostages with no consequences.
Yep, and the lack of tactical ops understanding is obvious from certain posts, but they have a keyboard and a message....."But also Hamas could be “not denying” they have them so the ground assault is delayed, who knows it’s war & you use information & disinformation to your advantage. But math is math, If I take Israel’s own words of 220 missing, stated as hostages & the pathologists word that they have over 200 bodies yet to be identified as fact. Well then, someone is lying aren’t they? Truth is they do not know where these people are & instead of saying “We think many are in the hospital waiting to be identified & Hamas may have a few” which is likely nearer the truth they big up the hostage figure for propaganda & even if Hamas do have 220 & confirm it someone still needs to do the math & say... “But erm, we now have 200 too many people”. This is my point. It cannot be so....Ergo it is an untruth. S | |||
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"Have to admit, the one sided coverage sounds like attempts to justify escalating the violence against unarmed civilians. Imagine if the UK army fired rockets and dropped 1000lb bombs on Dublin just because of the activity of the IRA?
I flick between Al Jazeera, the Beeb & others & it’s quite obvious. I think the released hostage of 85 did Israel no favours at all. Headlines of “I went through hell” then you actually read her full account which you will not SEE crucially on MSM, you have to read it & that for many is not how they get their news/sound bites in the 21stC
Shared the food of her captors
Saw a doctor every few days
Saw someone who’d had a motorcycle crash being treated & given daily medication & care.
Shook the hands of her captors & said Thank you when released.
Doesn’t quite fit the narrative does it so expect the next released to be whisked away for IDF “questioning”.
& now more details emerging on the hospital strike too putting doubt on the “Misfire” story.
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Doesn't fit what narrative? Yours? 200 hostages taken aljazzera says. 200 people that can't be identified because they look like ground beef. Tell Hamas to release the hostages so they can get a accurate headcount. Otherwise they have 200 hostages . They are not denying it. They said they would release the hostages if Israel stops their airstrikes. If Israel capitulates that is a bad idea.That sends a signal that anyone can just take hostages with no consequences.
Apart from being bombed to fuck of course. Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at.
Don't really understand your post, I want to understand your point.
Is Team A civilians, and team B Hamas/IDF?Exactly you don't. Your ignorance is comical."No need to be rude. I just told you I want to understand. | |||
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"Have to admit, the one sided coverage sounds like attempts to justify escalating the violence against unarmed civilians. Imagine if the UK army fired rockets and dropped 1000lb bombs on Dublin just because of the activity of the IRA?
I flick between Al Jazeera, the Beeb & others & it’s quite obvious. I think the released hostage of 85 did Israel no favours at all. Headlines of “I went through hell” then you actually read her full account which you will not SEE crucially on MSM, you have to read it & that for many is not how they get their news/sound bites in the 21stC
Shared the food of her captors
Saw a doctor every few days
Saw someone who’d had a motorcycle crash being treated & given daily medication & care.
Shook the hands of her captors & said Thank you when released.
Doesn’t quite fit the narrative does it so expect the next released to be whisked away for IDF “questioning”.
& now more details emerging on the hospital strike too putting doubt on the “Misfire” story.
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Doesn't fit what narrative? Yours? 200 hostages taken aljazzera says. 200 people that can't be identified because they look like ground beef. Tell Hamas to release the hostages so they can get a accurate headcount. Otherwise they have 200 hostages . They are not denying it. They said they would release the hostages if Israel stops their airstrikes. If Israel capitulates that is a bad idea.That sends a signal that anyone can just take hostages with no consequences.
Apart from being bombed to fuck of course. Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at.
Don't really understand your post, I want to understand your point.
Is Team A civilians, and team B Hamas/IDF?Exactly you don't. Your ignorance is comical."You know better than to fall for that Blu. Put the sherry down | |||
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"But math is math, If I take Israel’s own words of 220 missing, stated as hostages & the pathologists word that they have over 200 bodies yet to be identified as fact. Well then, someone is lying aren’t they? Truth is they do not know where these people are & instead of saying “We think many are in the hospital waiting to be identified & Hamas may have a few” which is likely nearer the truth they big up the hostage figure for propaganda & even if Hamas do have 220 & confirm it someone still needs to do the math & say..." Exactly where (as in, actually) are these underlying numbers and facts coming from, and who/what is this pathologist? Hamas (reported by AJ) claims that Israeli attacks killed 30, plus we know ~25 are alive, as per hostage released, so that's 55, and Hamas says they are distributed around, which suggests many more... You're right that Hamas could be overplaying their hand to gain more concessions, or Israel could be exaggerating (can't see how it helps in the long run, they'll just have egg on their face if they are), but reports that there are negotiations for 50 hostages that do not include all Israelis or any IDF suggest that ~200 is a good guess. | |||
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"... as Israel says war with Hamas is 'do or die'. Is Iran's warning not akin to that of the USA (and the UK with the flippant comment 'we hope you win')? If Iran gets involved so will the USA and the UK - to what extent is anybody's guess and what countries will follow suit is also anybody's guess. Surely Israel has done enough. Too many people are dead already. We know that they can flatten Gaza and kill everything and everyone. What is needed is a step back and the negotiating table. Whilst what Hamas did was inexcusable, enough is enough. This simply cannot continue and Iran, the USA and all those waving their dicks about, need to stop. Interesting that you say that because an Israeli representative was on the kuenssberg (forgive my spelling) show this morning stating the exact opposite IE that they've been listening to the west since their inception and if they'd done things the way they're saying now, they wouldn't be in the current situation. Also pointed out that London is next so we/Britain should be thankful and supportive " Ex Israeli PM | |||
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"Have to admit, the one sided coverage sounds like attempts to justify escalating the violence against unarmed civilians. Imagine if the UK army fired rockets and dropped 1000lb bombs on Dublin just because of the activity of the IRA?
I flick between Al Jazeera, the Beeb & others & it’s quite obvious. I think the released hostage of 85 did Israel no favours at all. Headlines of “I went through hell” then you actually read her full account which you will not SEE crucially on MSM, you have to read it & that for many is not how they get their news/sound bites in the 21stC
Shared the food of her captors
Saw a doctor every few days
Saw someone who’d had a motorcycle crash being treated & given daily medication & care.
Shook the hands of her captors & said Thank you when released.
Doesn’t quite fit the narrative does it so expect the next released to be whisked away for IDF “questioning”.
& now more details emerging on the hospital strike too putting doubt on the “Misfire” story.
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Doesn't fit what narrative? Yours? 200 hostages taken aljazzera says. 200 people that can't be identified because they look like ground beef. Tell Hamas to release the hostages so they can get a accurate headcount. Otherwise they have 200 hostages . They are not denying it. They said they would release the hostages if Israel stops their airstrikes. If Israel capitulates that is a bad idea.That sends a signal that anyone can just take hostages with no consequences.
Apart from being bombed to fuck of course. Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at.
Don't really understand your post, I want to understand your point.
Is Team A civilians, and team B Hamas/IDF?Exactly you don't. Your ignorance is comical.
You know better than to fall for that Blu. Put the sherry down "lol true. Can't fix stupid. | |||
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"Lol I attempted another rant. War sucks people die . The outcomes are usually positive. It creates a endgame. If wars didn't the same people complaining are blind. They try to justify the carnage. Yet the same carnage gave them the quality of life they complain about. Oops I ranted. " Glad to see you find all the bloodshed funny. I don't know what your trying to come across on your messages on these threads. But you simply come across as a uncaring, un emotional excuse for a human being. If you think if this is all fun and games because your a tough ex marine just amuse yourself in silence and don't try to make fun of genocide. | |||
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"Lol I attempted another rant. War sucks people die . The outcomes are usually positive. It creates a endgame. If wars didn't the same people complaining are blind. They try to justify the carnage. Yet the same carnage gave them the quality of life they complain about. Oops I ranted. Glad to see you find all the bloodshed funny. I don't know what your trying to come across on your messages on these threads. But you simply come across as a uncaring, un emotional excuse for a human being. If you think if this is all fun and games because your a tough ex marine just amuse yourself in silence and don't try to make fun of genocide. " 2 tours Afghanistan and 1 in Iraq as a female. 68 whiskey acronym for my MOS (military occupation to you civilians). The ones that claim justice. Yet have no clue . So let's play this game. You being a CD in Afghanistan how long would you last? They would have threw you ass off a cliff and laughed about it. Amazing how you support a ideology that goes against your lifestyle. Be so inclined to go to any Muslim nation and scream at the top of your lungs and be acceptable to their response. Don't tell me it would be a happy outcome. | |||
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"Lol I attempted another rant. War sucks people die . The outcomes are usually positive. It creates a endgame. If wars didn't the same people complaining are blind. They try to justify the carnage. Yet the same carnage gave them the quality of life they complain about. Oops I ranted. Glad to see you find all the bloodshed funny. I don't know what your trying to come across on your messages on these threads. But you simply come across as a uncaring, un emotional excuse for a human being. If you think if this is all fun and games because your a tough ex marine just amuse yourself in silence and don't try to make fun of genocide. 2 tours Afghanistan and 1 in Iraq as a female. 68 whiskey acronym for my MOS (military occupation to you civilians). The ones that claim justice. Yet have no clue . So let's play this game. You being a CD in Afghanistan how long would you last? They would have threw you ass off a cliff and laughed about it. Amazing how you support a ideology that goes against your lifestyle. Be so inclined to go to any Muslim nation and scream at the top of your lungs and be acceptable to their response. Don't tell me it would be a happy outcome. "So yea I am a cruel hearted realist bitch. It's just my nature. A realist. | |||
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"Lol I attempted another rant. War sucks people die . The outcomes are usually positive. It creates a endgame. If wars didn't the same people complaining are blind. They try to justify the carnage. Yet the same carnage gave them the quality of life they complain about. Oops I ranted. Glad to see you find all the bloodshed funny. I don't know what your trying to come across on your messages on these threads. But you simply come across as a uncaring, un emotional excuse for a human being. If you think if this is all fun and games because your a tough ex marine just amuse yourself in silence and don't try to make fun of genocide. 2 tours Afghanistan and 1 in Iraq as a female. 68 whiskey acronym for my MOS (military occupation to you civilians). The ones that claim justice. Yet have no clue . So let's play this game. You being a CD in Afghanistan how long would you last? They would have threw you ass off a cliff and laughed about it. Amazing how you support a ideology that goes against your lifestyle. Be so inclined to go to any Muslim nation and scream at the top of your lungs and be acceptable to their response. Don't tell me it would be a happy outcome. So yea I am a cruel hearted realist bitch. It's just my nature. A realist."Bacha Bazi google it been there done that saving children. Yea so yea you all are so righteous .so I'll argue and do all I can to prevent that ideology. Even if it involves death. Because it can be a better future where that ideology cant be instituted. | |||
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"Lol I attempted another rant. War sucks people die . The outcomes are usually positive. It creates a endgame. If wars didn't the same people complaining are blind. They try to justify the carnage. Yet the same carnage gave them the quality of life they complain about. Oops I ranted. Glad to see you find all the bloodshed funny. I don't know what your trying to come across on your messages on these threads. But you simply come across as a uncaring, un emotional excuse for a human being. If you think if this is all fun and games because your a tough ex marine just amuse yourself in silence and don't try to make fun of genocide. 2 tours Afghanistan and 1 in Iraq as a female. 68 whiskey acronym for my MOS (military occupation to you civilians). The ones that claim justice. Yet have no clue . So let's play this game. You being a CD in Afghanistan how long would you last? They would have threw you ass off a cliff and laughed about it. Amazing how you support a ideology that goes against your lifestyle. Be so inclined to go to any Muslim nation and scream at the top of your lungs and be acceptable to their response. Don't tell me it would be a happy outcome. So yea I am a cruel hearted realist bitch. It's just my nature. A realist. Bacha Bazi google it been there done that saving children. Yea so yea you all are so righteous .so I'll argue and do all I can to prevent that ideology. Even if it involves death. Because it can be a better future where that ideology cant be instituted.
"Surely a realist would long ago have sussed out that a Middle East peace is unlikely with Israel & Palestine as they currently sit & Israel’s long term survival (Not talking 5-10yrs more 50+) is dependant on a free Palestine, possibly a rewriting of the map & two state solution. You speak as if you are proud of what your country has done in the last few wars? I think you & your colleagues should be proud of what you personally did for your country which was your duty. However what America as a country did for the world, more so the Middle East is less certain. What did you achieve in Gulf2? What country did you bomb to shit & leave better & more stable than before you arrived? Which terrorist group did you end completely? Isn’t the answer none? So therefore all you really achieved was death of a far higher number than had you not gone, long term unrest in the area, Left the Taliban in charge of Afghanistan, guaranteed the continued use of the petrodollar for another few years & kept your friends in Saudi Arabia at the top of the Middle East tree, you know those Islamist friends.........The same ones you don’t like the ideology of. Also I like the way when I use Israel’s own figures against it instead of saying “Yeah, that doesn't look right”. We get a “War is shit, blah blah blah” Standard diversionary cop out. Also while I’m here, Why are 96 Palestinians dead in the West Bank as Hamas are not there? & while Israel harps on about the 220 taken why have they arrested & detained 1400 Palestinians in the West Bank? And why is the MSM ignoring this? In the same way it is ignoring the reporting of the Warning from the Qatari state which has now been made twice! & I quote “We will not stand idly by while we watch Palestinian civilians get slaughtered, starved of food, water & aid, & humanitarian assistance must be allowed in” This was about three days ago after Israel told civilians to move South for their safety & when they started to promptly began bombing the South. Classy move. The threat (idle or not) was reiterated yesterday as Israel had not allowed aid in. I love the use of language by Israel too. “The fuel we allowed into Gaza is in the hands of Hamas, so we are not allowing anymore in”. Fair enough you’d think, but they didn’t say Military wing & as Hamas are actually the standing government in power anything going in to Gaza bar direct aid would go via them even if they then put that fuel in hospital generators surely it goes “Through the hands of Hamas”. Doesn’t it? It must do if they run the hospitals etc. So are the IDF/BN just using a play on words much like they are doing a play on numbers? S | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. " Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… " Fuck me, you should bar the bile coming out of the mouth of the Israeli Rafael Cohen right now on tv. Apparently the UN & UNrwa in Gaza are teaching kids how to shoot guns. Meanwhile Usrael tells its own people that if they cannot move to arm themselves. Presumably not the kids here then & not with guns 
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… " It's a war zone and that is were I am seeing a totally different picture. People die clearly as you just stated. It happens. Especially in cities. Would you prefer the IDF use dumb bombs with no guidance? They are deploying accurate weapons. Even new ones to" limit" collateral damage. So that is telling me that the IDF are taking out selected targets. Not indiscriminately air strikes and I am sure the list you posted will grow. But the choice of weapons they are using compared to what they can use indiscriminately your list would be much larger. If the ground war kicks off more people from both sides are going to perish. So make sure your accurate tally is on point. You will be typing alot. | |||
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"I disagree somewhat with the notion that the removal of religion will just mean fighting over something else. To an extent it would, but take away the faith that a better world will be yours when you die in the name of your God & the thought that “Dead is dead, you are worm food, game over, that’s it” would undoubtedly lead to more people not wishing to die in the first place no matter the reason for their fight. S There is no proof of the existance of Heaven, Hell, Shamayim, Valhalla, Janna, Sagga,etc. The scientific proof is, when we die, we become worm food. Humans will always kill to get what they want and Kill to defend that which is theirs. Having said that, hopefully, if reality struck home, then some cleric sitting on a golden throne, invoking the name of an imaginary omnipotent entity, could not get young men to blow themselve up on the promise of 72 virgins in the afterlife. (PS. can anyone think of anything less desirable than an eternity with 72 virgins? )
Eternity with 72 virgins and suffering from impotency. "Why 72 virgins; why not 6, 17, 69 or 73? 72 is the number of angels & demons as per the Hebrew esoteric kabbalah tradition. The Kabbalistic angels, also known as the Angels of the Shem HaMephorash, are 72 celestial spirits whose names are derived from the 72-fold name of the Hebrew god as found in the Book of Exodus. They are closely connected to the 72 Goetic demons, which they rule over. Later Christian authors added to the lore of the Kabbalistic angels by incorporating Greek, Egyptian, and Persian concepts into their philosophies. And this number 72 was taken up by Muslims when allocating virgins in a hadith. After 9/11 this number became widely known and 7 Oct is adding to its notoriety. | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… It's a war zone and that is were I am seeing a totally different picture. People die clearly as you just stated. It happens. Especially in cities. Would you prefer the IDF use dumb bombs with no guidance? They are deploying accurate weapons. Even new ones to" limit" collateral damage. So that is telling me that the IDF are taking out selected targets. Not indiscriminately air strikes and I am sure the list you posted will grow. But the choice of weapons they are using compared to what they can use indiscriminately your list would be much larger. If the ground war kicks off more people from both sides are going to perish. So make sure your accurate tally is on point. You will be typing alot." This is the problem with actions against groups line Hamas that deliberately hide amongst the general population knowing that if they get hit so do some of the innocent people. It's a tactic by design not by accident. | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… It's a war zone and that is were I am seeing a totally different picture. People die clearly as you just stated. It happens. Especially in cities. Would you prefer the IDF use dumb bombs with no guidance? They are deploying accurate weapons. Even new ones to" limit" collateral damage. So that is telling me that the IDF are taking out selected targets. Not indiscriminately air strikes and I am sure the list you posted will grow. But the choice of weapons they are using compared to what they can use indiscriminately your list would be much larger. If the ground war kicks off more people from both sides are going to perish. So make sure your accurate tally is on point. You will be typing alot. This is the problem with actions against groups line Hamas that deliberately hide amongst the general population knowing that if they get hit so do some of the innocent people. It's a tactic by design not by accident. " Is it worth mass murdering all these kids to try to pop off a few Hamas lads? | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… It's a war zone and that is were I am seeing a totally different picture. People die clearly as you just stated. It happens. Especially in cities. Would you prefer the IDF use dumb bombs with no guidance? They are deploying accurate weapons. Even new ones to" limit" collateral damage. So that is telling me that the IDF are taking out selected targets. Not indiscriminately air strikes and I am sure the list you posted will grow. But the choice of weapons they are using compared to what they can use indiscriminately your list would be much larger. If the ground war kicks off more people from both sides are going to perish. So make sure your accurate tally is on point. You will be typing alot. This is the problem with actions against groups line Hamas that deliberately hide amongst the general population knowing that if they get hit so do some of the innocent people. It's a tactic by design not by accident. Is it worth mass murdering all these kids to try to pop off a few Hamas lads?" What do you propose Johnny? | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… " you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course " we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. " but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid." Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck? | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck?" Why do they need to take up arms, Hamas terrorists are not lone wolves, they live amongst the people and have families in their communities. The local population know exactly who they are and if they were inclined to, they could easily deal with them inside the community. | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck?" yes that's exactly what I'm saying if they really wanted them gone I'm sure Israel would help them | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck?yes that's exactly what I'm saying if they really wanted them gone I'm sure Israel would help them " Evidence suggests Israel doesn't distinguish between Hamas Palestinians and non-hamas Palestinians. | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck? Why do they need to take up arms, Hamas terrorists are not lone wolves, they live amongst the people and have families in their communities. The local population know exactly who they are and if they were inclined to, they could easily deal with them inside the community." Do you really want me to post my Northern Ireland analogy again
Sorry but I can’t let this pass. None of us NONE OF US have walked even an inch in their shoes let alone a mile. We have zero comprehension of what it must be like to live in Palestine/Gaza under a militaristic/terrorist regime. Sorry but it just smacks of naivety and keyboard warrior speak. There is no way I would put my wife and kids in danger regardless of my feelings towards a bunch of insane murdering zealot bastards. | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck?yes that's exactly what I'm saying if they really wanted them gone I'm sure Israel would help them Evidence suggests Israel doesn't distinguish between Hamas Palestinians and non-hamas Palestinians." not unsurprisingly if normal Palestinians don't inform on them but I'm sure if they tried to talk and give information on them they would so why not try better than trying to dodge bombs you not think | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck?yes that's exactly what I'm saying if they really wanted them gone I'm sure Israel would help them Evidence suggests Israel doesn't distinguish between Hamas Palestinians and non-hamas Palestinians.not unsurprisingly if normal Palestinians don't inform on them but I'm sure if they tried to talk and give information on them they would so why not try better than trying to dodge bombs you not think " How do you know some aren’t? | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck? Why do they need to take up arms, Hamas terrorists are not lone wolves, they live amongst the people and have families in their communities. The local population know exactly who they are and if they were inclined to, they could easily deal with them inside the community. Do you really want me to post my Northern Ireland analogy again
Sorry but I can’t let this pass. None of us NONE OF US have walked even an inch in their shoes let alone a mile. We have zero comprehension of what it must be like to live in Palestine/Gaza under a militaristic/terrorist regime. Sorry but it just smacks of naivety and keyboard warrior speak. There is no way I would put my wife and kids in danger regardless of my feelings towards a bunch of insane murdering zealot bastards."that's fine but then don't moan about being bombarded | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck?yes that's exactly what I'm saying if they really wanted them gone I'm sure Israel would help them Evidence suggests Israel doesn't distinguish between Hamas Palestinians and non-hamas Palestinians.not unsurprisingly if normal Palestinians don't inform on them but I'm sure if they tried to talk and give information on them they would so why not try better than trying to dodge bombs you not think How do you know some aren’t?" like you I don't but if more do they wouldn't be in the mess I'll help anyone as long as they try to help themselves | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck?" It would actually be easier for a Israelis to get rid of BN who after all could be leading them down the path of destruction without actually winning the election. ?? S | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck? Why do they need to take up arms, Hamas terrorists are not lone wolves, they live amongst the people and have families in their communities. The local population know exactly who they are and if they were inclined to, they could easily deal with them inside the community. Do you really want me to post my Northern Ireland analogy again
Sorry but I can’t let this pass. None of us NONE OF US have walked even an inch in their shoes let alone a mile. We have zero comprehension of what it must be like to live in Palestine/Gaza under a militaristic/terrorist regime. Sorry but it just smacks of naivety and keyboard warrior speak. There is no way I would put my wife and kids in danger regardless of my feelings towards a bunch of insane murdering zealot bastards. that's fine but then don't moan about being bombarded "Patently ridiculous thing to say. Where do you want these families to go? Israel warned the Palestinians to leave north Gaza and move to the south, and then continued bombing south Gaza. | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck? Why do they need to take up arms, Hamas terrorists are not lone wolves, they live amongst the people and have families in their communities. The local population know exactly who they are and if they were inclined to, they could easily deal with them inside the community. Do you really want me to post my Northern Ireland analogy again
Sorry but I can’t let this pass. None of us NONE OF US have walked even an inch in their shoes let alone a mile. We have zero comprehension of what it must be like to live in Palestine/Gaza under a militaristic/terrorist regime. Sorry but it just smacks of naivety and keyboard warrior speak. There is no way I would put my wife and kids in danger regardless of my feelings towards a bunch of insane murdering zealot bastards."You keep speaking of NI. It's not even close to the same. NI was part of the UK and the terrorists were not British. Gaza is part of Palestine and the terrorists are Palestinian. | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck? It would actually be easier for a Israelis to get rid of BN who after all could be leading them down the path of destruction without actually winning the election. ?? S" totally agree but think it's gone to far now. | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck?yes that's exactly what I'm saying if they really wanted them gone I'm sure Israel would help them Evidence suggests Israel doesn't distinguish between Hamas Palestinians and non-hamas Palestinians.not unsurprisingly if normal Palestinians don't inform on them but I'm sure if they tried to talk and give information on them they would so why not try better than trying to dodge bombs you not think " Okay… I’ll bite… and how do you then explain the 100 or so Palestinian people that have been killed by Israel in the West Bank since October 7th? And the crackdown on allowed movements and travel… | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck?yes that's exactly what I'm saying if they really wanted them gone I'm sure Israel would help them Evidence suggests Israel doesn't distinguish between Hamas Palestinians and non-hamas Palestinians.not unsurprisingly if normal Palestinians don't inform on them but I'm sure if they tried to talk and give information on them they would so why not try better than trying to dodge bombs you not think Okay… I’ll bite… and how do you then explain the 100 or so Palestinian people that have been killed by Israel in the West Bank since October 7th? And the crackdown on allowed movements and travel… " no biting Israel are doing what every country would do but if you really didn't want them to bomb wouldn't you help to get rid of who there looking for. | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… you say innocent people but what have they done to stop Hamas have the Palestiniansem given them up have they pointed as to where they are do they give Israel information on them if not they ain't helping their course we can't call hamas a terrorist group and not see they can terrorise their own. but what have there own done about them do they want Hamas there in which case they aren't innocent and if they don't want them why aren't they fighting to get rid. Are you suggesting that civilians in Palestine take up arms against Hamas? Where might they get these arms from? Don't they have enough problems with no food, no medicine, no water, no electricity, getting bombed to fuck?yes that's exactly what I'm saying if they really wanted them gone I'm sure Israel would help them Evidence suggests Israel doesn't distinguish between Hamas Palestinians and non-hamas Palestinians.not unsurprisingly if normal Palestinians don't inform on them but I'm sure if they tried to talk and give information on them they would so why not try better than trying to dodge bombs you not think Okay… I’ll bite… and how do you then explain the 100 or so Palestinian people that have been killed by Israel in the West Bank since October 7th? And the crackdown on allowed movements and travel… " They’ve also raided homes. Arrested & detained 1400 & 2 20 somethings have died while in custody, which if we are being harsh is not unusual in a war, but........West Bank, not Gaza. Is this the old “Look over there, look what those nasty Hamas are doing!............. Isn’t someone who raids another’s land & snatches it’s subjects for no given reason commonly known as a terrorist? Was three weeks ago anyway......... S | |||
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" Oh yes the bombing thing . They are precision strikes. If Israel wanted to Gaza would be gone the first day.. would you prefer carpet bombings or targeted response to Hamas. I know your answer you would prefer none. In case you didn't realize military professionals do what ? Stack bodies. It's a cold hard facts none of you realize.I look at the conflict as Team A against Team B. You all look at it as what the news tells you to look at. Israel are so great with the precision strikes so far they have hit…. Killing Egyptian soldiers on the wrong side of the border Killing journalists on the Lebanon side of that border Hit UN related schools.. killing 3 dozen UN personnel Hit Red Cross/ Red Crescent ambulances killing 10 personnel A mosque in the West Bank The oldest Christian church in Gaza But heck .collateral damage right… and that’s without talking about the thousands of innocent people… It's a war zone and that is were I am seeing a totally different picture. People die clearly as you just stated. It happens. Especially in cities. Would you prefer the IDF use dumb bombs with no guidance? They are deploying accurate weapons. Even new ones to" limit" collateral damage. So that is telling me that the IDF are taking out selected targets. Not indiscriminately air strikes and I am sure the list you posted will grow. But the choice of weapons they are using compared to what they can use indiscriminately your list would be much larger. If the ground war kicks off more people from both sides are going to perish. So make sure your accurate tally is on point. You will be typing alot. This is the problem with actions against groups line Hamas that deliberately hide amongst the general population knowing that if they get hit so do some of the innocent people. It's a tactic by design not by accident. Is it worth mass murdering all these kids to try to pop off a few Hamas lads?" This is the dilemma Israel are faced with as these Hamas people have proven they are more than willing to murder Israeli children on mass and will do so whenever possible. They are also very willing to put Palestinian children in harm's way and try to use them as protection, this us how brave these people are. It goes back to the question someone asked on another thread. How far would you go to protect your own children? Would you knowingly put a stranger in danger of harm or even death to save the life of your own children? | |||
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