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"Labour in Bedfordshire, Tory's safe seat, for the first time in how many years? "Her letter was pretty funny. It felt like it could have been drafted by our own Pat.  | |||
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"Labour in Bedfordshire, Tory's safe seat, for the first time in how many years? "serious question, do you think the tories in a red tie are going to be any better? Its plain to see kier is just another tony blair and if we are honest the tories and labour have pretty much been the same party since blair | |||
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"Labour in Bedfordshire, Tory's safe seat, for the first time in how many years? ". Yes. Great news . Much better to behind in the polls now . Only one result counts and that is the poll on the day of the election . What happens the day before or the day after is irrelevant as are the results of bye elections. Pointless wasting time now , best to maxinimise the efficient use of resources during a general election campaign I will do a bank transfer when the campaign begins - during the last campaign did two. I cannot see much evidence of Kier Starmer promoting family values and responsibility or attempting to resolve the refugee crisis. We can regard Priti Patel ,Sue Braverman or Keni Badenoch as vastly superior | |||
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"Labour in Bedfordshire, Tory's safe seat, for the first time in how many years? . Yes. Great news . Much better to behind in the polls now . Only one result counts and that is the poll on the day of the election . What happens the day before or the day after is irrelevant as are the results of bye elections. Pointless wasting time now , best to maxinimise the efficient use of resources during a general election campaign I will do a bank transfer when the campaign begins - during the last campaign did two.
I cannot see much evidence of Kier Starmer promoting family values and responsibility or attempting to resolve the refugee crisis.
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"Labour in Bedfordshire, Tory's safe seat, for the first time in how many years? . Yes. Great news . Much better to behind in the polls now . Only one result counts and that is the poll on the day of the election . What happens the day before or the day after is irrelevant as are the results of bye elections. Pointless wasting time now , best to maxinimise the efficient use of resources during a general election campaign I will do a bank transfer when the campaign begins - during the last campaign did two.
I cannot see much evidence of Kier Starmer promoting family values and responsibility or attempting to resolve the refugee crisis.
We can regard Priti Patel ,Sue Braverman or Keni Badenoch as vastly superior "Vastly superior to Nadine.. 
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"Labour in Bedfordshire, Tory's safe seat, for the first time in how many years? . Yes. Great news . Much better to behind in the polls now . Only one result counts and that is the poll on the day of the election . What happens the day before or the day after is irrelevant as are the results of bye elections. Pointless wasting time now , best to maxinimise the efficient use of resources during a general election campaign I will do a bank transfer when the campaign begins - during the last campaign did two.
I cannot see much evidence of Kier Starmer promoting family values and responsibility or attempting to resolve the refugee crisis.
We can regard Priti Patel ,Sue Braverman or Keni Badenoch as vastly superior "Pat it is “by election” but calling it a “bye election” seems somehow more apt and a jolly decent pun! Your last paragraph though  | |||
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"You gotta feel a bit sorry for Nads though. Like a large chunk of the UK population in 2019, she fell for Johnson’s bollocks (literally I wouldn’t be surprised) and has ended up with little to show for it other than a tarnished reputation. She is a walking metaphor!" . I do not think she would have any regrets in supporting Boris Johnson. Her views were simply in line with the majority of the population at the time . In any event she has other income as an author and lives life in the real world having previously been employed as an NHS nurse . It looks like she has achieved many things in life and has a lot in common with working class people. | |||
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"You gotta feel a bit sorry for Nads though. Like a large chunk of the UK population in 2019, she fell for Johnson’s bollocks (literally I wouldn’t be surprised) and has ended up with little to show for it other than a tarnished reputation. She is a walking metaphor!" The number of votes cast for Nadine was no greater in 2019 than it was in 2017. In 2017 Rhiannon Meades collected 18,000 votes. Alistair Strathern attracted 4,000 fewer votes yesterday. | |||
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"You gotta feel a bit sorry for Nads though. Like a large chunk of the UK population in 2019, she fell for Johnson’s bollocks (literally I wouldn’t be surprised) and has ended up with little to show for it other than a tarnished reputation. She is a walking metaphor! The number of votes cast for Nadine was no greater in 2019 than it was in 2017. In 2017 Rhiannon Meades collected 18,000 votes. Alistair Strathern attracted 4,000 fewer votes yesterday. " Ah the old Labour didn’t win the Tories lost defence based on turnout being down indicating, possibly, that many Tory voters just didn’t vote. Thing is while they couldn’t bring themselves to vote Labour, they also couldn’t vote Conservative. Sad state of affairs. | |||
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"You gotta feel a bit sorry for Nads though. Like a large chunk of the UK population in 2019, she fell for Johnson’s bollocks (literally I wouldn’t be surprised) and has ended up with little to show for it other than a tarnished reputation. She is a walking metaphor!. I do not think she would have any regrets in supporting Boris Johnson. Her views were simply in line with the majority of the population at the time . In any event she has other income as an author and lives life in the real world having previously been employed as an NHS nurse . It looks like she has achieved many things in life and has a lot in common with working class people. " Author | |||
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"You gotta feel a bit sorry for Nads though. Like a large chunk of the UK population in 2019, she fell for Johnson’s bollocks (literally I wouldn’t be surprised) and has ended up with little to show for it other than a tarnished reputation. She is a walking metaphor!" 
I have an image of Nadine tripping up and falling at Bojo's feet, as she does, she grabs his trousers in a poor bid to sustain herself, showing to all and sundry BJ's bollocks | |||
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"Labour in Bedfordshire, Tory's safe seat, for the first time in how many years? "Since 1931 as I understand it.  | |||
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"You gotta feel a bit sorry for Nads though. Like a large chunk of the UK population in 2019, she fell for Johnson’s bollocks (literally I wouldn’t be surprised) and has ended up with little to show for it other than a tarnished reputation. She is a walking metaphor! The number of votes cast for Nadine was no greater in 2019 than it was in 2017. In 2017 Rhiannon Meades collected 18,000 votes. Alistair Strathern attracted 4,000 fewer votes yesterday. Ah the old Labour didn’t win the Tories lost defence based on turnout being down indicating, possibly, that many Tory voters just didn’t vote. Thing is while they couldn’t bring themselves to vote Labour, they also couldn’t vote Conservative. Sad state of affairs." . Sad state of affairs. ? Unless I have missed something Rishi is still pm and an election is not due for fifteen months. Losing a few by elections makes no difference. A general election is the key one to win. By election. Who cares. In any event most people have no interest in politics . Let's see the result on election day. That will be a true reflection of public opinion. | |||
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"You gotta feel a bit sorry for Nads though. Like a large chunk of the UK population in 2019, she fell for Johnson’s bollocks (literally I wouldn’t be surprised) and has ended up with little to show for it other than a tarnished reputation. She is a walking metaphor! The number of votes cast for Nadine was no greater in 2019 than it was in 2017. In 2017 Rhiannon Meades collected 18,000 votes. Alistair Strathern attracted 4,000 fewer votes yesterday. Ah the old Labour didn’t win the Tories lost defence based on turnout being down indicating, possibly, that many Tory voters just didn’t vote. Thing is while they couldn’t bring themselves to vote Labour, they also couldn’t vote Conservative. Sad state of affairs.. Sad state of affairs. ? Unless I have missed something Rishi is still pm and an election is not due for fifteen months. Losing a few by elections makes no difference. A general election is the key one to win. By election. Who cares. In any event most people have no interest in politics . Let's see the result on election day. That will be a true reflection of public opinion. " Normally if it was an isolated occurrence I might agree. But a pattern is forming. Has the Rishi led Tories actually won any by elections? How many losses so far? What is the Tory majority now having been at 80? | |||
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"Is the fact that the total number of votes cast for Labour in this election, is little more than half of the majority by which the tories won the previous election, of any significance?" Sadly yes. I think come next election much kf normal service will resume. | |||
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"You gotta feel a bit sorry for Nads though. Like a large chunk of the UK population in 2019, she fell for Johnson’s bollocks (literally I wouldn’t be surprised) and has ended up with little to show for it other than a tarnished reputation. She is a walking metaphor! The number of votes cast for Nadine was no greater in 2019 than it was in 2017. In 2017 Rhiannon Meades collected 18,000 votes. Alistair Strathern attracted 4,000 fewer votes yesterday. Ah the old Labour didn’t win the Tories lost defence based on turnout being down indicating, possibly, that many Tory voters just didn’t vote. Thing is while they couldn’t bring themselves to vote Labour, they also couldn’t vote Conservative. Sad state of affairs.. Sad state of affairs. ? Unless I have missed something Rishi is still pm and an election is not due for fifteen months. Losing a few by elections makes no difference. A general election is the key one to win. By election. Who cares. In any event most people have no interest in politics . Let's see the result on election day. That will be a true reflection of public opinion. " I came across a poll on gov dot, asking for the tories to call a general election it has gained the signatures for debate, but have yet to see it. so public opinion is at a level to cause a debate if the tories are confident to hold one. | |||
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"Pick non-Conservatives as MPs. Run the country like socialists. Panic over a mild illness & destroy the economy, society & kids’ futures. Let extremists roam free, even in the civil service & don’t over-rule them. Go balls deep into net zero madness. Wonder why your voters stay home." Astounding. I don't know if this is a piss take or not. But there are people out there as disengaged and confused as this. Education has to be the key, I've said it before. The school system needs to teach kids to be able to understand information presented to them, analyse sources, put things into context, look at what's based on facts and science and what's based on meaningless rhetoric. Then the next generation might stand a chance. | |||
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"Pick non-Conservatives as MPs. Run the country like socialists. Panic over a mild illness & destroy the economy, society & kids’ futures. Let extremists roam free, even in the civil service & don’t over-rule them. Go balls deep into net zero madness. Wonder why your voters stay home." Bang on the money | |||
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"Pick non-Conservatives as MPs. Run the country like socialists. Panic over a mild illness & destroy the economy, society & kids’ futures. Let extremists roam free, even in the civil service & don’t over-rule them. Go balls deep into net zero madness. Wonder why your voters stay home." . Well said , the voice of common sense. Sadly too much emphasis is given to a very vocal minority . Hopefully come the general election common sense will prevail. The time scale and cost of net zero is laughable. Covid had ruined the economy and far too msny restrictions were put in place . | |||
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"Pick non-Conservatives as MPs. Run the country like socialists. Panic over a mild illness & destroy the economy, society & kids’ futures. Let extremists roam free, even in the civil service & don’t over-rule them. Go balls deep into net zero madness. Wonder why your voters stay home.. Well said , the voice of common sense. Sadly too much emphasis is given to a very vocal minority . Hopefully come the general election common sense will prevail. The time scale and cost of net zero is laughable. Covid had ruined the economy and far too msny restrictions were put in place . " Lol, savage burn! | |||
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"Pick non-Conservatives as MPs. Run the country like socialists. Panic over a mild illness & destroy the economy, society & kids’ futures. Let extremists roam free, even in the civil service & don’t over-rule them. Go balls deep into net zero madness. Wonder why your voters stay home. Astounding. I don't know if this is a piss take or not. But there are people out there as disengaged and confused as this. Education has to be the key, I've said it before. The school system needs to teach kids to be able to understand information presented to them, analyse sources, put things into context, look at what's based on facts and science and what's based on meaningless rhetoric. Then the next generation might stand a chance." Left wing ideology has infested schools and universities. Children are taught what to think not how to think about a wide range of issues. This is also reinforced outside school by broadcasting and social media. That is probably why you are astounded by my relatively innocuous post. | |||
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"Pick non-Conservatives as MPs. Run the country like socialists. Panic over a mild illness & destroy the economy, society & kids’ futures. Let extremists roam free, even in the civil service & don’t over-rule them. Go balls deep into net zero madness. Wonder why your voters stay home. Astounding. I don't know if this is a piss take or not. But there are people out there as disengaged and confused as this. Education has to be the key, I've said it before. The school system needs to teach kids to be able to understand information presented to them, analyse sources, put things into context, look at what's based on facts and science and what's based on meaningless rhetoric. Then the next generation might stand a chance." . A lot of teachers already put their own spin on their teachings . Teachers are hardly free from bias in their political agenda . People already have all the information they require in order to make informed decisions. However some peop3w do not want to accept those informed decisions should they differ to their own . | |||
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"Pick non-Conservatives as MPs. Run the country like socialists. Panic over a mild illness & destroy the economy, society & kids’ futures. Let extremists roam free, even in the civil service & don’t over-rule them. Go balls deep into net zero madness. Wonder why your voters stay home. Bang on the money" ************************************ Agreed. | |||
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"Pick non-Conservatives as MPs. Run the country like socialists. Panic over a mild illness & destroy the economy, society & kids’ futures. Let extremists roam free, even in the civil service & don’t over-rule them. Go balls deep into net zero madness. Wonder why your voters stay home. Astounding. I don't know if this is a piss take or not. But there are people out there as disengaged and confused as this. Education has to be the key, I've said it before. The school system needs to teach kids to be able to understand information presented to them, analyse sources, put things into context, look at what's based on facts and science and what's based on meaningless rhetoric. Then the next generation might stand a chance. Left wing ideology has infested schools and universities. Children are taught what to think not how to think about a wide range of issues. This is also reinforced outside school by broadcasting and social media. That is probably why you are astounded by my relatively innocuous post. " . Well said . Some people are attempting to present left wing ideology as the norm . Teachers are indoctoratiing children with their own political views. | |||
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"Pick non-Conservatives as MPs. Run the country like socialists. Panic over a mild illness & destroy the economy, society & kids’ futures. Let extremists roam free, even in the civil service & don’t over-rule them. Go balls deep into net zero madness. Wonder why your voters stay home. Astounding. I don't know if this is a piss take or not. But there are people out there as disengaged and confused as this. Education has to be the key, I've said it before. The school system needs to teach kids to be able to understand information presented to them, analyse sources, put things into context, look at what's based on facts and science and what's based on meaningless rhetoric. Then the next generation might stand a chance. Left wing ideology has infested schools and universities. Children are taught what to think not how to think about a wide range of issues. This is also reinforced outside school by broadcasting and social media. That is probably why you are astounded by my relatively innocuous post. " ************************************ I have to say I fully agree with this as well. | |||
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"promoting family values" . I see and hear this phrase a lot and every time it sends a cold shiver down my spine. It's almost always used by highly authoritarian governments. I think Russia constantly use it. It's a deeply worrying phrase that brooks no tolerance of anything outside its meaningless soundbite, and excludes whole sectors of society. It's a phrase that isn't that far removed from another ideology. Kinder, Küche, Kirch | |||
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"Pick non-Conservatives as MPs. Run the country like socialists. Panic over a mild illness & destroy the economy, society & kids’ futures. Let extremists roam free, even in the civil service & don’t over-rule them. Go balls deep into net zero madness. Wonder why your voters stay home. Astounding. I don't know if this is a piss take or not. But there are people out there as disengaged and confused as this. Education has to be the key, I've said it before. The school system needs to teach kids to be able to understand information presented to them, analyse sources, put things into context, look at what's based on facts and science and what's based on meaningless rhetoric. Then the next generation might stand a chance. Left wing ideology has infested schools and universities. Children are taught what to think not how to think about a wide range of issues. This is also reinforced outside school by broadcasting and social media. That is probably why you are astounded by my relatively innocuous post. " You're right, kids aren't taught how to think critically. But it's not the bizarre left wing conspiracy to seem to think it is. It's about conforming, following rules. Your post is a good example. There is no socialist party here anywhere near getting in power. The bit about extremists roaming free and working in the civil service is just plain nonsense. The NetZero part of your confusion is beyond ridicule. Are you not interested in learning a little about climate science? "Panic over mild illness" I assume this is some covid conspiracy rhubarb? Which btw was handled by the Johnson lead Conservative government. Imagine if people were taught how to analyse information presented to them. The population would be much less easy to control. | |||
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"Pick non-Conservatives as MPs. Run the country like socialists. Panic over a mild illness & destroy the economy, society & kids’ futures. Let extremists roam free, even in the civil service & don’t over-rule them. Go balls deep into net zero madness. Wonder why your voters stay home. Astounding. I don't know if this is a piss take or not. But there are people out there as disengaged and confused as this. Education has to be the key, I've said it before. The school system needs to teach kids to be able to understand information presented to them, analyse sources, put things into context, look at what's based on facts and science and what's based on meaningless rhetoric. Then the next generation might stand a chance. Left wing ideology has infested schools and universities. Children are taught what to think not how to think about a wide range of issues. This is also reinforced outside school by broadcasting and social media. That is probably why you are astounded by my relatively innocuous post. You're right, kids aren't taught how to think critically. But it's not the bizarre left wing conspiracy to seem to think it is. It's about conforming, following rules. Your post is a good example. There is no socialist party here anywhere near getting in power. The bit about extremists roaming free and working in the civil service is just plain nonsense. The NetZero part of your confusion is beyond ridicule. Are you not interested in learning a little about climate science? "Panic over mild illness" I assume this is some covid conspiracy rhubarb? Which btw was handled by the Johnson lead Conservative government. Imagine if people were taught how to analyse information presented to them. The population would be much less easy to control. " . People are taught about all the things to which you refer. However their conclusions are simply different to yours. Maybe people recognise the horrendous cost of implementing net zero. With the benefit of hindsight people have concluded that we over reacted to the dangers of Covid. | |||
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"Pick non-Conservatives as MPs. Run the country like socialists. Panic over a mild illness & destroy the economy, society & kids’ futures. Let extremists roam free, even in the civil service & don’t over-rule them. Go balls deep into net zero madness. Wonder why your voters stay home. Astounding. I don't know if this is a piss take or not. But there are people out there as disengaged and confused as this. Education has to be the key, I've said it before. The school system needs to teach kids to be able to understand information presented to them, analyse sources, put things into context, look at what's based on facts and science and what's based on meaningless rhetoric. Then the next generation might stand a chance. Left wing ideology has infested schools and universities. Children are taught what to think not how to think about a wide range of issues. This is also reinforced outside school by broadcasting and social media. That is probably why you are astounded by my relatively innocuous post. You're right, kids aren't taught how to think critically. But it's not the bizarre left wing conspiracy to seem to think it is. It's about conforming, following rules. Your post is a good example. There is no socialist party here anywhere near getting in power. The bit about extremists roaming free and working in the civil service is just plain nonsense. The NetZero part of your confusion is beyond ridicule. Are you not interested in learning a little about climate science? "Panic over mild illness" I assume this is some covid conspiracy rhubarb? Which btw was handled by the Johnson lead Conservative government. Imagine if people were taught how to analyse information presented to them. The population would be much less easy to control. . People are taught about all the things to which you refer. However their conclusions are simply different to yours. Maybe people recognise the horrendous cost of implementing net zero. With the benefit of hindsight people have concluded that we over reacted to the dangers of Covid. " | |||
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"Early mentioned in a post above,promoting family values. I see and hear this phrase a lot and every time it sends a cold shiver down my spine. It's almost always used by highly authoritarian governments. I think Russia constantly use it. It's a deeply worrying phrase that brooks no tolerance of anything outside its meaningless soundbite, and excludes whole sectors of society. It's a phrase that isn't that far removed from another ideology. Kinder, Küche, Kirch" Promoting “family values” would also be against swinging so there is an irony of anyone supporting it on this site! | |||
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"Early mentioned in a post above,promoting family values. I see and hear this phrase a lot and every time it sends a cold shiver down my spine. It's almost always used by highly authoritarian governments. I think Russia constantly use it. It's a deeply worrying phrase that brooks no tolerance of anything outside its meaningless soundbite, and excludes whole sectors of society. It's a phrase that isn't that far removed from another ideology. Kinder, Küche, Kirch Promoting “family values” would also be against swinging so there is an irony of anyone supporting it on this site!" . The difference might be that swinging is probably a very small part or completely irrelevant part of peoples lives. Family values are crucial for the stability of people's lives. | |||
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"Early mentioned in a post above,promoting family values. I see and hear this phrase a lot and every time it sends a cold shiver down my spine. It's almost always used by highly authoritarian governments. I think Russia constantly use it. It's a deeply worrying phrase that brooks no tolerance of anything outside its meaningless soundbite, and excludes whole sectors of society. It's a phrase that isn't that far removed from another ideology. Kinder, Küche, Kirch Promoting “family values” would also be against swinging so there is an irony of anyone supporting it on this site!. The difference might be that swinging is probably a very small part or completely irrelevant part of peoples lives. Family values are crucial for the stability of people's lives. "
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"Early mentioned in a post above,promoting family values. I see and hear this phrase a lot and every time it sends a cold shiver down my spine. It's almost always used by highly authoritarian governments. I think Russia constantly use it. It's a deeply worrying phrase that brooks no tolerance of anything outside its meaningless soundbite, and excludes whole sectors of society. It's a phrase that isn't that far removed from another ideology. Kinder, Küche, Kirch Promoting “family values” would also be against swinging so there is an irony of anyone supporting it on this site!" Would it? | |||
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"Family values are crucial for the stability of people's lives. " Which values ? Which people ? Where is this miraculous list, that if followed will lend stability to a person's life ? Does it confer stability against external factors beyond that person's reasonable control ? | |||
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"Early mentioned in a post above,promoting family values. I see and hear this phrase a lot and every time it sends a cold shiver down my spine. It's almost always used by highly authoritarian governments. I think Russia constantly use it. It's a deeply worrying phrase that brooks no tolerance of anything outside its meaningless soundbite, and excludes whole sectors of society. It's a phrase that isn't that far removed from another ideology. Kinder, Küche, Kirch Promoting “family values” would also be against swinging so there is an irony of anyone supporting it on this site!" How would promoting family values be against the concept of swinging .? Most people recognise the importance of families and the stability it brings . Swinging would probably be a small and irrelevant part of most people's lives. Swingers would recognise the importance of family values and that their Saturday night fun is irrelevant to society as a whole. | |||
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"Early mentioned in a post above,promoting family values. I see and hear this phrase a lot and every time it sends a cold shiver down my spine. It's almost always used by highly authoritarian governments. I think Russia constantly use it. It's a deeply worrying phrase that brooks no tolerance of anything outside its meaningless soundbite, and excludes whole sectors of society. It's a phrase that isn't that far removed from another ideology. Kinder, Küche, Kirch Promoting “family values” would also be against swinging so there is an irony of anyone supporting it on this site! How would promoting family values be against the concept of swinging .? Most people recognise the importance of families and the stability it brings . Swinging would probably be a small and irrelevant part of most people's lives. Swingers would recognise the importance of family values and that their Saturday night fun is irrelevant to society as a whole. " Ah but when the phrase “family values” is used it has connotations linked to monogamy. I 100% agree that swinging has enhanced our marriage and we have a family but I pretty sure the majority of people who spout on about “family values” would be horrified by what swinging entails. | |||
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"Dont many couples swing with kids? Nothing stops them being a family? I'm really confused by that post In fact I'd be willing to bet more couple stay together over 10 years that swing together with kids than monogamous couples with them" Agree with all you say but that is us here on a swinger website with our own skewed (and more liberal) views on the matter. We are not actually a representative sample. See my point above this one. | |||
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" Ah but when the phrase “family values” is used it has connotations linked to monogamy. " Dig little deeper and it's not too hard to see a more poisonous, pernicious and insidious ideology underpinning it. The League of German Girls springs to mind and other equivalent socially-engineered philosophies. | |||
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"Definition of “family values”... “values especially of a traditional or conservative kind which are held to promote the sound functioning of the family and to strengthen the fabric of society“ I strongly suspect that swinging and non-monogamous sex with multiple partners would not be seen as being compatible with the common definition of family values. " Why not? By definition it reduces chance of people being able to cheat on their wives or husbands and break up the family, by defacto allowing people to have fun outside of the marriage/relationship with another person It therefore keeps the family dynamic together. | |||
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"Definition of “family values”... “values especially of a traditional or conservative kind which are held to promote the sound functioning of the family and to strengthen the fabric of society“ I strongly suspect that swinging and non-monogamous sex with multiple partners would not be seen as being compatible with the common definition of family values. Why not? By definition it reduces chance of people being able to cheat on their wives or husbands and break up the family, by defacto allowing people to have fun outside of the marriage/relationship with another person It therefore keeps the family dynamic together. " Again *I* agree with you. But then I have been swinging since 1999, and we have been swinging as a couple for over 15 years. We definitely believe it has enhanced our relationship and made us stronger. But I guarantee if we talked about it with most vanilla friends or parents from the school it would illicit a very different reaction. The point is that “family values” has a certain meaning to the majority of people and that would include monogamy. | |||
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"Definition of “family values”... “values especially of a traditional or conservative kind which are held to promote the sound functioning of the family and to strengthen the fabric of society“ I strongly suspect that swinging and non-monogamous sex with multiple partners would not be seen as being compatible with the common definition of family values. Why not? By definition it reduces chance of people being able to cheat on their wives or husbands and break up the family, by defacto allowing people to have fun outside of the marriage/relationship with another person It therefore keeps the family dynamic together. Again *I* agree with you. But then I have been swinging since 1999, and we have been swinging as a couple for over 15 years. We definitely believe it has enhanced our relationship and made us stronger. But I guarantee if we talked about it with most vanilla friends or parents from the school it would illicit a very different reaction. The point is that “family values” has a certain meaning to the majority of people and that would include monogamy. " For me family values is about the family. How you bring up your children.cstsying together. Morals, responsibilities, kindness. Sex to me is is a relationship issue. I dont see the conflict myself on the family by swinging. | |||
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"Definition of “family values”... “values especially of a traditional or conservative kind which are held to promote the sound functioning of the family and to strengthen the fabric of society“ I strongly suspect that swinging and non-monogamous sex with multiple partners would not be seen as being compatible with the common definition of family values. Why not? By definition it reduces chance of people being able to cheat on their wives or husbands and break up the family, by defacto allowing people to have fun outside of the marriage/relationship with another person It therefore keeps the family dynamic together. Again *I* agree with you. But then I have been swinging since 1999, and we have been swinging as a couple for over 15 years. We definitely believe it has enhanced our relationship and made us stronger. But I guarantee if we talked about it with most vanilla friends or parents from the school it would illicit a very different reaction. The point is that “family values” has a certain meaning to the majority of people and that would include monogamy. For me family values is about the family. How you bring up your children.cstsying together. Morals, responsibilities, kindness. Sex to me is is a relationship issue. I dont see the conflict myself on the family by swinging. " Yep totally with you on that. But the fundamentalist christian right in the USA who regularly use the phrase “family values” and may even have coined the phrase. It has also become synonymous with being heterosexual focused and the traditional nuclear family. So it doesn’t matter what you, I, or anyone who takes part in swinging thinks, our views are not aligned with what the majority are thinking when using the phrase “family values”. | |||
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"Definition of “family values”... “values especially of a traditional or conservative kind which are held to promote the sound functioning of the family and to strengthen the fabric of society“ I strongly suspect that swinging and non-monogamous sex with multiple partners would not be seen as being compatible with the common definition of family values. Why not? By definition it reduces chance of people being able to cheat on their wives or husbands and break up the family, by defacto allowing people to have fun outside of the marriage/relationship with another person It therefore keeps the family dynamic together. Again *I* agree with you. But then I have been swinging since 1999, and we have been swinging as a couple for over 15 years. We definitely believe it has enhanced our relationship and made us stronger. But I guarantee if we talked about it with most vanilla friends or parents from the school it would illicit a very different reaction. The point is that “family values” has a certain meaning to the majority of people and that would include monogamy. For me family values is about the family. How you bring up your children.cstsying together. Morals, responsibilities, kindness. Sex to me is is a relationship issue. I dont see the conflict myself on the family by swinging. Yep totally with you on that. But the fundamentalist christian right in the USA who regularly use the phrase “family values” and may even have coined the phrase. It has also become synonymous with being heterosexual focused and the traditional nuclear family. So it doesn’t matter what you, I, or anyone who takes part in swinging thinks, our views are not aligned with what the majority are thinking when using the phrase “family values”." We aren't in the usa. I'm not sure why you're using maybe Christian family values from over there for the uk? The uk isn't close to that kind of religious. I dont know if the poster who originally said it is American. I am coming at is from a uk POV | |||
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"Definition of “family values”... “values especially of a traditional or conservative kind which are held to promote the sound functioning of the family and to strengthen the fabric of society“ I strongly suspect that swinging and non-monogamous sex with multiple partners would not be seen as being compatible with the common definition of family values. Why not? By definition it reduces chance of people being able to cheat on their wives or husbands and break up the family, by defacto allowing people to have fun outside of the marriage/relationship with another person It therefore keeps the family dynamic together. Again *I* agree with you. But then I have been swinging since 1999, and we have been swinging as a couple for over 15 years. We definitely believe it has enhanced our relationship and made us stronger. But I guarantee if we talked about it with most vanilla friends or parents from the school it would illicit a very different reaction. The point is that “family values” has a certain meaning to the majority of people and that would include monogamy. For me family values is about the family. How you bring up your children.cstsying together. Morals, responsibilities, kindness. Sex to me is is a relationship issue. I dont see the conflict myself on the family by swinging. Yep totally with you on that. But the fundamentalist christian right in the USA who regularly use the phrase “family values” and may even have coined the phrase. It has also become synonymous with being heterosexual focused and the traditional nuclear family. So it doesn’t matter what you, I, or anyone who takes part in swinging thinks, our views are not aligned with what the majority are thinking when using the phrase “family values”. We aren't in the usa. I'm not sure why you're using maybe Christian family values from over there for the uk? The uk isn't close to that kind of religious. I dont know if the poster who originally said it is American. I am coming at is from a uk POV" Fair point. However, the term “family values” tends to be linked to conservative (and therefore right side of spectrum) regardless of country (which also correlates to most religions). It is also linked to a heterosexual nuclear family view. This isn’t my opinion, that is how the term is often explained. I do not agree with it. But, like you, my views are already skewed by a more liberal consensual non-monogamous approach to life. If you tried bring up our lifestyle choice at your local conservative party, or church group, or WI, PTA, etc, you would not get a warm or supportive reception. | |||
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"Definition of “family values”... “values especially of a traditional or conservative kind which are held to promote the sound functioning of the family and to strengthen the fabric of society“ I strongly suspect that swinging and non-monogamous sex with multiple partners would not be seen as being compatible with the common definition of family values. Why not? By definition it reduces chance of people being able to cheat on their wives or husbands and break up the family, by defacto allowing people to have fun outside of the marriage/relationship with another person It therefore keeps the family dynamic together. Again *I* agree with you. But then I have been swinging since 1999, and we have been swinging as a couple for over 15 years. We definitely believe it has enhanced our relationship and made us stronger. But I guarantee if we talked about it with most vanilla friends or parents from the school it would illicit a very different reaction. The point is that “family values” has a certain meaning to the majority of people and that would include monogamy. For me family values is about the family. How you bring up your children.cstsying together. Morals, responsibilities, kindness. Sex to me is is a relationship issue. I dont see the conflict myself on the family by swinging. Yep totally with you on that. But the fundamentalist christian right in the USA who regularly use the phrase “family values” and may even have coined the phrase. It has also become synonymous with being heterosexual focused and the traditional nuclear family. So it doesn’t matter what you, I, or anyone who takes part in swinging thinks, our views are not aligned with what the majority are thinking when using the phrase “family values”. We aren't in the usa. I'm not sure why you're using maybe Christian family values from over there for the uk? The uk isn't close to that kind of religious. I dont know if the poster who originally said it is American. I am coming at is from a uk POV Fair point. However, the term “family values” tends to be linked to conservative (and therefore right side of spectrum) regardless of country (which also correlates to most religions). It is also linked to a heterosexual nuclear family view. This isn’t my opinion, that is how the term is often explained. I do not agree with it. But, like you, my views are already skewed by a more liberal consensual non-monogamous approach to life. If you tried bring up our lifestyle choice at your local conservative party, or church group, or WI, PTA, etc, you would not get a warm or supportive reception." True, but they would probably all contact you in private afterwards | |||
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"Definition of “family values”... “values especially of a traditional or conservative kind which are held to promote the sound functioning of the family and to strengthen the fabric of society“ I strongly suspect that swinging and non-monogamous sex with multiple partners would not be seen as being compatible with the common definition of family values. Why not? By definition it reduces chance of people being able to cheat on their wives or husbands and break up the family, by defacto allowing people to have fun outside of the marriage/relationship with another person It therefore keeps the family dynamic together. Again *I* agree with you. But then I have been swinging since 1999, and we have been swinging as a couple for over 15 years. We definitely believe it has enhanced our relationship and made us stronger. But I guarantee if we talked about it with most vanilla friends or parents from the school it would illicit a very different reaction. The point is that “family values” has a certain meaning to the majority of people and that would include monogamy. For me family values is about the family. How you bring up your children.cstsying together. Morals, responsibilities, kindness. Sex to me is is a relationship issue. I dont see the conflict myself on the family by swinging. Yep totally with you on that. But the fundamentalist christian right in the USA who regularly use the phrase “family values” and may even have coined the phrase. It has also become synonymous with being heterosexual focused and the traditional nuclear family. So it doesn’t matter what you, I, or anyone who takes part in swinging thinks, our views are not aligned with what the majority are thinking when using the phrase “family values”. We aren't in the usa. I'm not sure why you're using maybe Christian family values from over there for the uk? The uk isn't close to that kind of religious. I dont know if the poster who originally said it is American. I am coming at is from a uk POV Fair point. However, the term “family values” tends to be linked to conservative (and therefore right side of spectrum) regardless of country (which also correlates to most religions). It is also linked to a heterosexual nuclear family view. This isn’t my opinion, that is how the term is often explained. I do not agree with it. But, like you, my views are already skewed by a more liberal consensual non-monogamous approach to life. If you tried bring up our lifestyle choice at your local conservative party, or church group, or WI, PTA, etc, you would not get a warm or supportive reception." . Why would any rational person bring up such a topic at the organisations to which you refer. Swingers are not exactly renowned for being tolerant or open minded. The are lots of topics in life that you do not discuss with the general public. | |||
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"Definition of “family values”... “values especially of a traditional or conservative kind which are held to promote the sound functioning of the family and to strengthen the fabric of society“ I strongly suspect that swinging and non-monogamous sex with multiple partners would not be seen as being compatible with the common definition of family values. Why not? By definition it reduces chance of people being able to cheat on their wives or husbands and break up the family, by defacto allowing people to have fun outside of the marriage/relationship with another person It therefore keeps the family dynamic together. Again *I* agree with you. But then I have been swinging since 1999, and we have been swinging as a couple for over 15 years. We definitely believe it has enhanced our relationship and made us stronger. But I guarantee if we talked about it with most vanilla friends or parents from the school it would illicit a very different reaction. The point is that “family values” has a certain meaning to the majority of people and that would include monogamy. For me family values is about the family. How you bring up your children.cstsying together. Morals, responsibilities, kindness. Sex to me is is a relationship issue. I dont see the conflict myself on the family by swinging. Yep totally with you on that. But the fundamentalist christian right in the USA who regularly use the phrase “family values” and may even have coined the phrase. It has also become synonymous with being heterosexual focused and the traditional nuclear family. So it doesn’t matter what you, I, or anyone who takes part in swinging thinks, our views are not aligned with what the majority are thinking when using the phrase “family values”. We aren't in the usa. I'm not sure why you're using maybe Christian family values from over there for the uk? The uk isn't close to that kind of religious. I dont know if the poster who originally said it is American. I am coming at is from a uk POV Fair point. However, the term “family values” tends to be linked to conservative (and therefore right side of spectrum) regardless of country (which also correlates to most religions). It is also linked to a heterosexual nuclear family view. This isn’t my opinion, that is how the term is often explained. I do not agree with it. But, like you, my views are already skewed by a more liberal consensual non-monogamous approach to life. If you tried bring up our lifestyle choice at your local conservative party, or church group, or WI, PTA, etc, you would not get a warm or supportive reception.. Why would any rational person bring up such a topic at the organisations to which you refer. Swingers are not exactly renowned for being tolerant or open minded. The are lots of topics in life that you do not discuss with the general public. " if my friends decided I'm less tolerent or open minded because what I do in the bedroom.... It's probably not me who isn't being tolerant or open minded ! | |||
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"Definition of “family values”... “values especially of a traditional or conservative kind which are held to promote the sound functioning of the family and to strengthen the fabric of society“ I strongly suspect that swinging and non-monogamous sex with multiple partners would not be seen as being compatible with the common definition of family values. Why not? By definition it reduces chance of people being able to cheat on their wives or husbands and break up the family, by defacto allowing people to have fun outside of the marriage/relationship with another person It therefore keeps the family dynamic together. Again *I* agree with you. But then I have been swinging since 1999, and we have been swinging as a couple for over 15 years. We definitely believe it has enhanced our relationship and made us stronger. But I guarantee if we talked about it with most vanilla friends or parents from the school it would illicit a very different reaction. The point is that “family values” has a certain meaning to the majority of people and that would include monogamy. For me family values is about the family. How you bring up your children.cstsying together. Morals, responsibilities, kindness. Sex to me is is a relationship issue. I dont see the conflict myself on the family by swinging. Yep totally with you on that. But the fundamentalist christian right in the USA who regularly use the phrase “family values” and may even have coined the phrase. It has also become synonymous with being heterosexual focused and the traditional nuclear family. So it doesn’t matter what you, I, or anyone who takes part in swinging thinks, our views are not aligned with what the majority are thinking when using the phrase “family values”. We aren't in the usa. I'm not sure why you're using maybe Christian family values from over there for the uk? The uk isn't close to that kind of religious. I dont know if the poster who originally said it is American. I am coming at is from a uk POV Fair point. However, the term “family values” tends to be linked to conservative (and therefore right side of spectrum) regardless of country (which also correlates to most religions). It is also linked to a heterosexual nuclear family view. This isn’t my opinion, that is how the term is often explained. I do not agree with it. But, like you, my views are already skewed by a more liberal consensual non-monogamous approach to life. If you tried bring up our lifestyle choice at your local conservative party, or church group, or WI, PTA, etc, you would not get a warm or supportive reception.. Why would any rational person bring up such a topic at the organisations to which you refer. Swingers are not exactly renowned for being tolerant or open minded. The are lots of topics in life that you do not discuss with the general public. " WARNING- The humour police are watching... | |||
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"Definition of “family values”... “values especially of a traditional or conservative kind which are held to promote the sound functioning of the family and to strengthen the fabric of society“ I strongly suspect that swinging and non-monogamous sex with multiple partners would not be seen as being compatible with the common definition of family values. Why not? By definition it reduces chance of people being able to cheat on their wives or husbands and break up the family, by defacto allowing people to have fun outside of the marriage/relationship with another person It therefore keeps the family dynamic together. Again *I* agree with you. But then I have been swinging since 1999, and we have been swinging as a couple for over 15 years. We definitely believe it has enhanced our relationship and made us stronger. But I guarantee if we talked about it with most vanilla friends or parents from the school it would illicit a very different reaction. The point is that “family values” has a certain meaning to the majority of people and that would include monogamy. For me family values is about the family. How you bring up your children.cstsying together. Morals, responsibilities, kindness. Sex to me is is a relationship issue. I dont see the conflict myself on the family by swinging. Yep totally with you on that. But the fundamentalist christian right in the USA who regularly use the phrase “family values” and may even have coined the phrase. It has also become synonymous with being heterosexual focused and the traditional nuclear family. So it doesn’t matter what you, I, or anyone who takes part in swinging thinks, our views are not aligned with what the majority are thinking when using the phrase “family values”. We aren't in the usa. I'm not sure why you're using maybe Christian family values from over there for the uk? The uk isn't close to that kind of religious. I dont know if the poster who originally said it is American. I am coming at is from a uk POV Fair point. However, the term “family values” tends to be linked to conservative (and therefore right side of spectrum) regardless of country (which also correlates to most religions). It is also linked to a heterosexual nuclear family view. This isn’t my opinion, that is how the term is often explained. I do not agree with it. But, like you, my views are already skewed by a more liberal consensual non-monogamous approach to life. If you tried bring up our lifestyle choice at your local conservative party, or church group, or WI, PTA, etc, you would not get a warm or supportive reception.. Why would any rational person bring up such a topic at the organisations to which you refer. Swingers are not exactly renowned for being tolerant or open minded. The are lots of topics in life that you do not discuss with the general public. WARNING- The humour police are watching... " and with such irony too.. | |||
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"I wonder how the average voter would react if they found out their MP was a swinger. Or poly. Likewise what if we taught kids about enm as part of sex ed. My bet: teachers would be told to stop pushing their liberal leftie views on kids. " Tbh. The mp is more likely to be a n0nce | |||
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"Good response from Sunak at PMQs this week ,,,, Starmer welcomed the new Mid Bedfordshire MP to The House of Commons ,, in reply Sunak also welcomed the new MP adding he would probably get more support from the new MP for Mid Bedfordshire than he did from the last one "Sunak really said that? How funny and true and unprofessional | |||
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