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"What was this guy thinking when he was talking about eating cheap hormone-injected beef from Australia and then suggesting we should import thousands of tons of it to the U.K. then he starts backtracking like a school kid when he realised hormone injected meat is illegal in the U.K. as a farmer he has seriously pissed me off the reason Australian beef is so much cheeper is because they don’t have as many rules or regulations as we do over here rant over anyone else think the same …" ,,,, I think you should give the mogg a break , the poor chap has been trying to find a Brexit benefit ever since 2016 , he even had a spell as minister for Brexit benefits when he couldn't find one , so I can fully sympathise with him if he thought he had found one , there is no wonder he got over exited ,( until faced , Once again by the facts ) so instead of pointing out his failings , I say "keep on going Moggy there's a benefit of Brexit out there somewhere , there has to be , and I believe you are the one to find it " | |||
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"What was this guy thinking when he was talking about eating cheap hormone-injected beef from Australia and then suggesting we should import thousands of tons of it to the U.K. then he starts backtracking like a school kid when he realised hormone injected meat is illegal in the U.K. as a farmer he has seriously pissed me off the reason Australian beef is so much cheeper is because they don’t have as many rules or regulations as we do over here rant over anyone else think the same …" What's his backtracking sorry? | |||
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"I’m old enough to remember when hormone treatment was permitted in the U.K. in beef and chicken (capons). I never used the system myself, although there were clear performance and economic advantages, the negative perception of the public outweighed the benefits. I don’t propose to go into the ins and outs of using hormones in livestock any more than I would the pros and cons of the contraceptive pill or gender transitioning, but it seems ludicrous to ban the use of hormones in the U.K. but allow hormone treated products to be imported from Australia or the USA. I won’t even begin to voice my objections to fois gras readily imported from France!" Ah yes. The protected industries. I've no idea whybwe let imports of that vulgar practice in. I was really hoping it would have been banned by now. | |||
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"Hence drinks made from squashed grapes can only be called wines if you can get pissed on them. It is ironic that Canada, the liberal left’s poster country of all that is on message, is the biggest supporter of hormone use in beef. Is Justin Trudeau any less of a man because he had consumed beef containing female hormones?" It does seem at odds. I was surprised he was voted back in in the last election particularly after the debacle on vaccinations and blocking bank accounts of the unvaxxed He got very totalitarian. | |||
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"Oh fuck. is that why I got manboobs "If that excuse works - stick with it!  | |||
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"This is a statutory entitlement, and it has existed and been implemented for several decades, by Governments of all stripes. Severance payments were made and accepted by outgoing Labour Ministers between the Blair and Brown years, as well as during the Administration in 2007, and by Liberal Democrat Ministers during the coalition. To ensure transparency, severance payments are published in the annual reports and accounts of Government Departments. As an example of the previous operation of this provision, the data published in 2010 indicated that severance payments made to Labour Ministers in that year amounted to £1 million. " . dread to think what it will be for the Tories with their ministerial merry go round ,, anybody any idea ,, I am starting the ball rolling with Moggs £16.800 for SEVEN weeks | |||
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"Typical Tory,stealing from the public purse " I'm not sure that "stealing" is the appropriate word for receiving a severance payment, as required by law, in an open and transparent manner. I realise that your dictionary of 'words applicable to Tories' has quite a limited vocabulary, but I'm sure you could find something more appropriate if you tried. | |||
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"Typical Tory,stealing from the public purse I'm not sure that "stealing" is the appropriate word for receiving a severance payment, as required by law, in an open and transparent manner. I realise that your dictionary of 'words applicable to Tories' has quite a limited vocabulary, but I'm sure you could find something more appropriate if you tried." Why it’s just bloody typical trait of the Tories,look after themselves first and foremost | |||
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"This is a statutory entitlement, and it has existed and been implemented for several decades, by Governments of all stripes. Severance payments were made and accepted by outgoing Labour Ministers between the Blair and Brown years, as well as during the Administration in 2007, and by Liberal Democrat Ministers during the coalition. To ensure transparency, severance payments are published in the annual reports and accounts of Government Departments. As an example of the previous operation of this provision, the data published in 2010 indicated that severance payments made to Labour Ministers in that year amounted to £1 million. " It's all aboard the gravy train and ride it till it runs out of steam.. | |||
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"Typical Tory,stealing from the public purse I'm not sure that "stealing" is the appropriate word for receiving a severance payment, as required by law, in an open and transparent manner. I realise that your dictionary of 'words applicable to Tories' has quite a limited vocabulary, but I'm sure you could find something more appropriate if you tried." ,,, yes I agree "stealing" in this context is probably the incorrect terminology ,, maybe substitute the word stealing for the phrase " ripping us off " | |||
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"Typical Tory,stealing from the public purse I'm not sure that "stealing" is the appropriate word for receiving a severance payment, as required by law, in an open and transparent manner. I realise that your dictionary of 'words applicable to Tories' has quite a limited vocabulary, but I'm sure you could find something more appropriate if you tried.,,, yes I agree "stealing" in this context is probably the incorrect terminology ,, maybe substitute the word stealing for the phrase " ripping us off " "  | |||
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"Typical Tory,stealing from the public purse I'm not sure that "stealing" is the appropriate word for receiving a severance payment, as required by law, in an open and transparent manner. I realise that your dictionary of 'words applicable to Tories' has quite a limited vocabulary, but I'm sure you could find something more appropriate if you tried.Why it’s just bloody typical trait of the Tories,look after themselves first and foremost " Yet apparently Labour ministers trousering £1,000,000 in one year is fine and dandy. | |||
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"This is a statutory entitlement, and it has existed and been implemented for several decades, by Governments of all stripes. Severance payments were made and accepted by outgoing Labour Ministers between the Blair and Brown years, as well as during the Administration in 2007, and by Liberal Democrat Ministers during the coalition. To ensure transparency, severance payments are published in the annual reports and accounts of Government Departments. As an example of the previous operation of this provision, the data published in 2010 indicated that severance payments made to Labour Ministers in that year amounted to £1 million. . dread to think what it will be for the Tories with their ministerial merry go round ,, anybody any idea ,, I am starting the ball rolling with Moggs £16.800 for SEVEN weeks " Kitty Ussher, the same entitlement, for 8 days ministerial appointment, 9 June - 17 June, 2009! | |||
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"This is a statutory entitlement, and it has existed and been implemented for several decades, by Governments of all stripes. Severance payments were made and accepted by outgoing Labour Ministers between the Blair and Brown years, as well as during the Administration in 2007, and by Liberal Democrat Ministers during the coalition. To ensure transparency, severance payments are published in the annual reports and accounts of Government Departments. As an example of the previous operation of this provision, the data published in 2010 indicated that severance payments made to Labour Ministers in that year amounted to £1 million. . dread to think what it will be for the Tories with their ministerial merry go round ,, anybody any idea ,, I am starting the ball rolling with Moggs £16.800 for SEVEN weeks Kitty Ussher, the same entitlement, for 8 days ministerial appointment, 9 June - 17 June, 2009!" . if this is the case ,why does it make it right and acceptable ? | |||
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"This is a statutory entitlement, and it has existed and been implemented for several decades, by Governments of all stripes. Severance payments were made and accepted by outgoing Labour Ministers between the Blair and Brown years, as well as during the Administration in 2007, and by Liberal Democrat Ministers during the coalition. To ensure transparency, severance payments are published in the annual reports and accounts of Government Departments. As an example of the previous operation of this provision, the data published in 2010 indicated that severance payments made to Labour Ministers in that year amounted to £1 million. . dread to think what it will be for the Tories with their ministerial merry go round ,, anybody any idea ,, I am starting the ball rolling with Moggs £16.800 for SEVEN weeks Kitty Ussher, the same entitlement, for 8 days ministerial appointment, 9 June - 17 June, 2009!. if this is the case ,why does it make it right and acceptable ? " I don't think it does, but it's not a Tory disease, labour are just as bad. that was the point I was addressing. To single out JRM displays selective tribal politics at its most primeval. | |||
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"This is a statutory entitlement, and it has existed and been implemented for several decades, by Governments of all stripes. Severance payments were made and accepted by outgoing Labour Ministers between the Blair and Brown years, as well as during the Administration in 2007, and by Liberal Democrat Ministers during the coalition. To ensure transparency, severance payments are published in the annual reports and accounts of Government Departments. As an example of the previous operation of this provision, the data published in 2010 indicated that severance payments made to Labour Ministers in that year amounted to £1 million. . dread to think what it will be for the Tories with their ministerial merry go round ,, anybody any idea ,, I am starting the ball rolling with Moggs £16.800 for SEVEN weeks Kitty Ussher, the same entitlement, for 8 days ministerial appointment, 9 June - 17 June, 2009!. if this is the case ,why does it make it right and acceptable ? I don't think it does, but it's not a Tory disease, labour are just as bad. that was the point I was addressing. To single out JRM displays selective tribal politics at its most primeval." . ;, But Mogg wanted to cut severance pay Civil Servants receive ,,, one rule for us , one rule for them | |||
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"This is a statutory entitlement, and it has existed and been implemented for several decades, by Governments of all stripes. Severance payments were made and accepted by outgoing Labour Ministers between the Blair and Brown years, as well as during the Administration in 2007, and by Liberal Democrat Ministers during the coalition. To ensure transparency, severance payments are published in the annual reports and accounts of Government Departments. As an example of the previous operation of this provision, the data published in 2010 indicated that severance payments made to Labour Ministers in that year amounted to £1 million. . dread to think what it will be for the Tories with their ministerial merry go round ,, anybody any idea ,, I am starting the ball rolling with Moggs £16.800 for SEVEN weeks Kitty Ussher, the same entitlement, for 8 days ministerial appointment, 9 June - 17 June, 2009!. if this is the case ,why does it make it right and acceptable ? I don't think it does, but it's not a Tory disease, labour are just as bad. that was the point I was addressing. To single out JRM displays selective tribal politics at its most primeval.. ;, But Mogg wanted to cut severance pay Civil Servants receive ,,, one rule for us , one rule for them " That would be a matter for Parliament. The point I took issue with was, the insinuation that only Tory politicians accepted severance pay. That is patently incorrect. My personal view is that all politicians have their snouts firmly in the trough. | |||
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"This is a statutory entitlement, and it has existed and been implemented for several decades, by Governments of all stripes. Severance payments were made and accepted by outgoing Labour Ministers between the Blair and Brown years, as well as during the Administration in 2007, and by Liberal Democrat Ministers during the coalition. To ensure transparency, severance payments are published in the annual reports and accounts of Government Departments. As an example of the previous operation of this provision, the data published in 2010 indicated that severance payments made to Labour Ministers in that year amounted to £1 million. . dread to think what it will be for the Tories with their ministerial merry go round ,, anybody any idea ,, I am starting the ball rolling with Moggs £16.800 for SEVEN weeks Kitty Ussher, the same entitlement, for 8 days ministerial appointment, 9 June - 17 June, 2009!. if this is the case ,why does it make it right and acceptable ? I don't think it does, but it's not a Tory disease, labour are just as bad. that was the point I was addressing. To single out JRM displays selective tribal politics at its most primeval.. ;, But Mogg wanted to cut severance pay Civil Servants receive ,,, one rule for us , one rule for them That would be a matter for Parliament. The point I took issue with was, the insinuation that only Tory politicians accepted severance pay. That is patently incorrect. My personal view is that all politicians have their snouts firmly in the trough. " ,,, Completely disagree , not all politicians by any stretch of the imagination , Mogg certainly | |||
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"I notice that Rishi Sunak returned the severance pay he received when he got sacked as chancellor. I wonder if we'll see people in this thread lauding him as a good example to the rest of them." . well done Rishi , , follow your leader Moggy | |||
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"This is a statutory entitlement, and it has existed and been implemented for several decades, by Governments of all stripes. Severance payments were made and accepted by outgoing Labour Ministers between the Blair and Brown years, as well as during the Administration in 2007, and by Liberal Democrat Ministers during the coalition. To ensure transparency, severance payments are published in the annual reports and accounts of Government Departments. As an example of the previous operation of this provision, the data published in 2010 indicated that severance payments made to Labour Ministers in that year amounted to £1 million. . dread to think what it will be for the Tories with their ministerial merry go round ,, anybody any idea ,, I am starting the ball rolling with Moggs £16.800 for SEVEN weeks Kitty Ussher, the same entitlement, for 8 days ministerial appointment, 9 June - 17 June, 2009!. if this is the case ,why does it make it right and acceptable ? " It doesn't but you only want to find fault when it's the tories you are not interested when it's labour. Try to see passed your bias. Plenty of things to actually challenge the tories on other moronic stuff that is exactly the same with Labour. | |||
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"This is a statutory entitlement, and it has existed and been implemented for several decades, by Governments of all stripes. Severance payments were made and accepted by outgoing Labour Ministers between the Blair and Brown years, as well as during the Administration in 2007, and by Liberal Democrat Ministers during the coalition. To ensure transparency, severance payments are published in the annual reports and accounts of Government Departments. As an example of the previous operation of this provision, the data published in 2010 indicated that severance payments made to Labour Ministers in that year amounted to £1 million. . dread to think what it will be for the Tories with their ministerial merry go round ,, anybody any idea ,, I am starting the ball rolling with Moggs £16.800 for SEVEN weeks Kitty Ussher, the same entitlement, for 8 days ministerial appointment, 9 June - 17 June, 2009!. if this is the case ,why does it make it right and acceptable ? It doesn't but you only want to find fault when it's the tories you are not interested when it's labour. Try to see passed your bias. Plenty of things to actually challenge the tories on other moronic stuff that is exactly the same with Labour." . I praised Rishi 2 posts ago (admittedly with another go at Mogg) but I praised Rishi | |||
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"Ive been Labour all my days, but now I question the whole political system as nothing has changed, they the politicians insist on change but when power is won. The excuses come in, I am waiting for labour to get in and they are already been groomed by the MSM, and when they do, ho no the tories have done this and that and the other its criminal, but also all we promised cannot be done sorry. If that happens im truly done with politics. Done listening to what they say (I think I am there already) and do my own thing regardless, as long as others are not effected. #So tired of a two party system that only works for them and their mates." . ; Sadly , very difficult to argue with  | |||
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"Ive been Labour all my days, but now I question the whole political system as nothing has changed, they the politicians insist on change but when power is won. The excuses come in, I am waiting for labour to get in and they are already been groomed by the MSM, and when they do, ho no the tories have done this and that and the other its criminal, but also all we promised cannot be done sorry. If that happens im truly done with politics. Done listening to what they say (I think I am there already) and do my own thing regardless, as long as others are not effected. #So tired of a two party system that only works for them and their mates.. ; Sadly , very difficult to argue with "I know, with what I have just wrote my dad would turn in his grave. But I can not see anything else happening, and sadly again it is our fault we have been washed in to thinking we are powerless, when it is us who hold the power. If you look at the last local elections I do not think I am the only one and your post to says to me less are voting or becoming disillusioned but the spin hides this. | |||
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"It’s a good job the Tories aren’t on performance related pay,bunch of thieves,the lot of them " Your prejudice undermines any point you are hoping to make. Kitty Ussher took the same severance pay as JRM, but for just 8 days in post! Yet no-one bats an eyelid. Rishi declined his severance pay. | |||
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"It’s a good job the Tories aren’t on performance related pay,bunch of thieves,the lot of them Your prejudice undermines any point you are hoping to make. So you love the Tories Kitty Ussher took the same severance pay as JRM, but for just 8 days in post! Yet no-one bats an eyelid. Rishi declined his severance pay. " So you love the Tories,you will fit in well with Pat | |||
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"This is a statutory entitlement, and it has existed and been implemented for several decades, by Governments of all stripes. Severance payments were made and accepted by outgoing Labour Ministers between the Blair and Brown years, as well as during the Administration in 2007, and by Liberal Democrat Ministers during the coalition. To ensure transparency, severance payments are published in the annual reports and accounts of Government Departments. As an example of the previous operation of this provision, the data published in 2010 indicated that severance payments made to Labour Ministers in that year amounted to £1 million. . dread to think what it will be for the Tories with their ministerial merry go round ,, anybody any idea ,, I am starting the ball rolling with Moggs £16.800 for SEVEN weeks Kitty Ussher, the same entitlement, for 8 days ministerial appointment, 9 June - 17 June, 2009!. if this is the case ,why does it make it right and acceptable ? It doesn't but you only want to find fault when it's the tories you are not interested when it's labour. Try to see passed your bias. Plenty of things to actually challenge the tories on other moronic stuff that is exactly the same with Labour.. I praised Rishi 2 posts ago (admittedly with another go at Mogg) but I praised Rishi " I posted before I read that and would have probably taken it as sarcastic praise anyway lol | |||
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"It’s a good job the Tories aren’t on performance related pay,bunch of thieves,the lot of them Your prejudice undermines any point you are hoping to make. So you love the Tories Kitty Ussher took the same severance pay as JRM, but for just 8 days in post! Yet no-one bats an eyelid. Rishi declined his severance pay. So you love the Tories,you will fit in well with Pat" Yawn.... | |||
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"It’s a good job the Tories aren’t on performance related pay,bunch of thieves,the lot of them Your prejudice undermines any point you are hoping to make. So you love the Tories Kitty Ussher took the same severance pay as JRM, but for just 8 days in post! Yet no-one bats an eyelid. Rishi declined his severance pay. So you love the Tories,you will fit in well with Pat" How do you deduce that I love the Tories. I don't know you, and I have never stated my political allegiance. Your prejudice getting the better of your argument again. I note that you still decline to criticise Kitty Ussher, who you will recall resigned citing a desire to "prevent embarrassment to the government" after allegations that she also temporarily changed the designation of her "main" home for tax purposes to reduce her tax bill. Ussher's main home was in London, but in order to reduce her capital gains tax bill by £3,420 she temporarily designated her Burnley house as the main residence for one month while it was sold. | |||
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"This is a statutory entitlement, and it has existed and been implemented for several decades, by Governments of all stripes. Severance payments were made and accepted by outgoing Labour Ministers between the Blair and Brown years, as well as during the Administration in 2007, and by Liberal Democrat Ministers during the coalition. To ensure transparency, severance payments are published in the annual reports and accounts of Government Departments. As an example of the previous operation of this provision, the data published in 2010 indicated that severance payments made to Labour Ministers in that year amounted to £1 million. . dread to think what it will be for the Tories with their ministerial merry go round ,, anybody any idea ,, I am starting the ball rolling with Moggs £16.800 for SEVEN weeks Kitty Ussher, the same entitlement, for 8 days ministerial appointment, 9 June - 17 June, 2009!. if this is the case ,why does it make it right and acceptable ? It doesn't but you only want to find fault when it's the tories you are not interested when it's labour. Try to see passed your bias. Plenty of things to actually challenge the tories on other moronic stuff that is exactly the same with Labour.. I praised Rishi 2 posts ago (admittedly with another go at Mogg) but I praised Rishi I posted before I read that and would have probably taken it as sarcastic praise anyway lol ". It was not sarcastic praise it was genuine ,,, if I wanted to be sarcastic I might have mentioned it was only a small amount compared to what his family have made using the non dom status , but I didn't say that | |||
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"Good job for Mogg he wasn’t on performance related pay!" Just as well he is fighting his own way in life and is now a very successfull news channel presenter. Using your log Labour ministers would receive nil pay as none of them could get elected. Maybe the more rational minded and tolerand members of society recognise how hard cabinet ministers have to work. The news channel which currently employs him recognises his talents and unlike the BBC always has commentators presenting both sides of an arguemt . The Gary Lininkers of this world are a vocal but irrelevant minority and such individuals make no attempt to be impartial. At least Jabob Lees Mogg treats everyone equally and allows everyone an opinion . His redundancy pay is so small it would hardly be noticed compared to the overall payroll. There are people on benefits receiving in excess of £20°0 a month. . His severance pay equates to about eight months pay of just one claimant . | |||
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"This is a statutory entitlement, and it has existed and been implemented for several decades, by Governments of all stripes. Severance payments were made and accepted by outgoing Labour Ministers between the Blair and Brown years, as well as during the Administration in 2007, and by Liberal Democrat Ministers during the coalition. To ensure transparency, severance payments are published in the annual reports and accounts of Government Departments. As an example of the previous operation of this provision, the data published in 2010 indicated that severance payments made to Labour Ministers in that year amounted to £1 million. . dread to think what it will be for the Tories with their ministerial merry go round ,, anybody any idea ,, I am starting the ball rolling with Moggs £16.800 for SEVEN weeks Kitty Ussher, the same entitlement, for 8 days ministerial appointment, 9 June - 17 June, 2009!. if this is the case ,why does it make it right and acceptable ? I don't think it does, but it's not a Tory disease, labour are just as bad. that was the point I was addressing. To single out JRM displays selective tribal politics at its most primeval.. ;, But Mogg wanted to cut severance pay Civil Servants receive ,,, one rule for us , one rule for them " The severance pay which he received was no different to any other cabinet ministers and was calculated on the same basis . The cost of severance pay for cabinet minsters would be completely immaterial compared to payroll costs of the civil service overall. Redundancy costs for civil servants would be material and significant | |||
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"Good job for Mogg he wasn’t on performance related pay! Just as well he is fighting his own way in life and is now a very successfull news channel presenter. Using your log Labour ministers would receive nil pay as none of them could get elected. Maybe the more rational minded and tolerand members of society recognise how hard cabinet ministers have to work. The news channel which currently employs him recognises his talents and unlike the BBC always has commentators presenting both sides of an arguemt . The Gary Lininkers of this world are a vocal but irrelevant minority and such individuals make no attempt to be impartial. At least Jabob Lees Mogg treats everyone equally and allows everyone an opinion . His redundancy pay is so small it would hardly be noticed compared to the overall payroll. There are people on benefits receiving in excess of £20°0 a month. . His severance pay equates to about eight months pay of just one claimant . " JRM shouldn't be on this popular broadcasters channel and I have no idea how they get away with this as it is against OFCOM rules, that is if he is a serving M.P? If he no longer an M.P then I have nothing to say, if he is then WTF. | |||
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"This is a statutory entitlement, and it has existed and been implemented for several decades, by Governments of all stripes. Severance payments were made and accepted by outgoing Labour Ministers between the Blair and Brown years, as well as during the Administration in 2007, and by Liberal Democrat Ministers during the coalition. To ensure transparency, severance payments are published in the annual reports and accounts of Government Departments. As an example of the previous operation of this provision, the data published in 2010 indicated that severance payments made to Labour Ministers in that year amounted to £1 million. . dread to think what it will be for the Tories with their ministerial merry go round ,, anybody any idea ,, I am starting the ball rolling with Moggs £16.800 for SEVEN weeks Kitty Ussher, the same entitlement, for 8 days ministerial appointment, 9 June - 17 June, 2009!. if this is the case ,why does it make it right and acceptable ? I don't think it does, but it's not a Tory disease, labour are just as bad. that was the point I was addressing. To single out JRM displays selective tribal politics at its most primeval.. ;, But Mogg wanted to cut severance pay Civil Servants receive ,,, one rule for us , one rule for them The severance pay which he received was no different to any other cabinet ministers and was calculated on the same basis . The cost of severance pay for cabinet minsters would be completely immaterial compared to payroll costs of the civil service overall. Redundancy costs for civil servants would be material and significant " Yep that what I said , one rule for the moggs of this world and one rule for the others | |||
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"To take it away from the party politics , if someone is an MP of any party and is then asked to be a minister ,with extra money for extra responsibility , why should they get a severance pay when they stop being a minister , they will still be receiving their MPs salary , there may he a logical answer but I can't see it " I'd like to know also. | |||
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"Good job for Mogg he wasn’t on performance related pay! Just as well he is fighting his own way in life and is now a very successfull news channel presenter. Using your log Labour ministers would receive nil pay as none of them could get elected. Maybe the more rational minded and tolerand members of society recognise how hard cabinet ministers have to work. The news channel which currently employs him recognises his talents and unlike the BBC always has commentators presenting both sides of an arguemt . The Gary Lininkers of this world are a vocal but irrelevant minority and such individuals make no attempt to be impartial. At least Jabob Lees Mogg treats everyone equally and allows everyone an opinion . His redundancy pay is so small it would hardly be noticed compared to the overall payroll. There are people on benefits receiving in excess of £20°0 a month. . His severance pay equates to about eight months pay of just one claimant . " That’s all lovely. As I said, good job for Mogg he wasn’t on performance related pay | |||
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"To take it away from the party politics , if someone is an MP of any party and is then asked to be a minister ,with extra money for extra responsibility , why should they get a severance pay when they stop being a minister , they will still be receiving their MPs salary , there may he a logical answer but I can't see it I'd like to know also." Me too but also like to know if the incoming Labour government will change these rules or take advantage of them as before | |||
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