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"Against hamas war crimes, there was some interesting replies to my answer in the other thread, but it got filded up, so it would be interesting to see what your view about it is." Does Palestine have the right to defend themselves against Israeli war crimes? | |||
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"I think Israel have every right to defend themselves but not harm innocent individuals in the Gaza" yea those loving isrealis telling them to head south then start hitting the south aswell, gone past defence now there either trying to wipe them out or force them out of gaza compleatly, once they have flattend gaza city it will be bulldozed clear and more settlements put on it | |||
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"I think Israel have every right to defend themselves but not harm innocent individuals in the Gaza" This.. 
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"Against hamas war crimes, there was some interesting replies to my answer in the other thread, but it got filded up, so it would be interesting to see what your view about it is. Does Palestine have the right to defend themselves against Israeli war crimes?" Yes, they can do that too. | |||
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"I think Israel have every right to defend themselves but not harm innocent individuals in the Gaza" This . | |||
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"I've kinda tried to stay out of this but I'm bored. Hamas brought a knife to a gun fight and now cry about disproportionate force. You couldn't make that shit up. I do feel for Palestinaians, but I must say I'm of the opinion that you kill one of my family members, I'll wipe out your whole family. " If someone killed a member of your family you would hunt down and kill all the children, babies, the elderly of the killers family? Sounds like some psychopath shit to me. Or someone trying to sound tough maybe. | |||
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"I've kinda tried to stay out of this but I'm bored. Hamas brought a knife to a gun fight and now cry about disproportionate force. You couldn't make that shit up. I do feel for Palestinaians, but I must say I'm of the opinion that you kill one of my family members, I'll wipe out your whole family. " The rules of Fab dictate that you would have to post photographic proof of aforementioned killing not just footage of them running away. And also proof you didn’t set it up yourself as per the old Anti semitic trope. | |||
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"I've kinda tried to stay out of this but I'm bored. Hamas brought a knife to a gun fight and now cry about disproportionate force. You couldn't make that shit up. I do feel for Palestinaians, but I must say I'm of the opinion that you kill one of my family members, I'll wipe out your whole family. If someone killed a member of your family you would hunt down and kill all the children, babies, the elderly of the killers family? Sounds like some psychopath shit to me. Or someone trying to sound tough maybe." I don't have to try to sound tough, it's an Internet forum, I've got nothing to prove here. I said what I said, because that's my mentality. | |||
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"Against hamas war crimes, there was some interesting replies to my answer in the other thread, but it got filded up, so it would be interesting to see what your view about it is. Does Palestine have the right to defend themselves against Israeli war crimes?" Sure do is Hamas at the border currently taking on the Israeli military? Or are the hiding within the population they are using as shields. The Israelis are massed on the border are they not? It's a perfect opportunity for Hamas to put a end to Israeli occupation don't you think? No they just go after unarmed civilians for their cause and try and create sympathy. Hamas new Exactly what they were doing. Maximum shock value and then blame Israel. | |||
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"I've kinda tried to stay out of this but I'm bored. Hamas brought a knife to a gun fight and now cry about disproportionate force. You couldn't make that shit up. I do feel for Palestinaians, but I must say I'm of the opinion that you kill one of my family members, I'll wipe out your whole family. The rules of Fab dictate that you would have to post photographic proof of aforementioned killing not just footage of them running away. And also proof you didn’t set it up yourself as per the old Anti semitic trope. " 
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"Against hamas war crimes, there was some interesting replies to my answer in the other thread, but it got filded up, so it would be interesting to see what your view about it is. Does Palestine have the right to defend themselves against Israeli war crimes?Sure do "
" is Hamas at the border currently taking on the Israeli military? Or are the hiding within the population they are using as shields. " No idea, what's this got to do with the war crimes committed by either Hamas or Israel? " The Israelis are massed on the border are they not? " Seems so. " It's a perfect opportunity for Hamas to put a end to Israeli occupation don't you think? " I don't think so, they have some rudimentary weapons, Israel is heavily armed with the latest tech. " No they just go after unarmed civilians for their cause and try and create sympathy. Hamas new Exactly what they were doing. Maximum shock value and then blame Israel." Yeah Hamas's actions are horrific, I don't think they created much sympathy, not sure where you got that idea from . | |||
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"I'd be more receptive to the idea of Israel's right to exist and defend itself when Israel tells the world exactly where its borders are." They do, just a mile that way, no, just another mile that way, yeah that's it, now one more mile on.... | |||
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"Against hamas war crimes, there was some interesting replies to my answer in the other thread, but it got filded up, so it would be interesting to see what your view about it is." Yes absolutely they have the right to defend themselves especially against monsters like Hamas but it's not easy / impossible to do this without innocent Palestinians becoming victims too. This is not by accident, it is how groups like Hamas operate. They are very brave when faced with ordinary unarmed civilians, children and babies but not so brave against those that fight back. The military use armour ect as protection where as groups like Hamas use innocent civilians as protection in the knowledge that they will either be safe or if not Israel will be held responsible for civilian casualties. It's a no win situation | |||
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"I've kinda tried to stay out of this but I'm bored. Hamas brought a knife to a gun fight and now cry about disproportionate force. You couldn't make that shit up. I do feel for Palestinaians, but I must say I'm of the opinion that you kill one of my family members, I'll wipe out your whole family. " So you subscribe to the eyeS for an eye doctrine? Trouble with that approach is when you wipe out the whole family, it means their cousins will then come after you and the rest of your family and so on forever. It was Hamas that brought the knife not the Palestinian people, certainly not all of them. | |||
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"I've kinda tried to stay out of this but I'm bored. Hamas brought a knife to a gun fight and now cry about disproportionate force. You couldn't make that shit up. I do feel for Palestinaians, but I must say I'm of the opinion that you kill one of my family members, I'll wipe out your whole family. So you subscribe to the eyeS for an eye doctrine? Trouble with that approach is when you wipe out the whole family, it means their cousins will then come after you and the rest of your family and so on forever. It was Hamas that brought the knife not the Palestinian people, certainly not all of them." I understand the pitfalls of eye for an eye. I also understand it was Hamas that brought the knife. Hamas has been in power since 2006? If the citizens really didn't support them, asylum has always been an option, unless of course the borders have been closed for 17 years. I don't see anyone being turned down when we know it's a literal war zone. | |||
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"It's a power play by everyone in the middleast. Hamas knew what the repercussions would be. They want to gain as much sympathy as possible for their actions. Civilian casualties are unavoidable. Fact. The difference is one side is trying to limit the casualties the other doesn't care." I'm not sure killing a bunch of civilians and kids and gained much sympathy for Hamas. | |||
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"https://x.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1712215283794899134?s=20 The twitter link for the above. pt" Interesting article on the soldier of the original claim on the beheaded babies. What a dodgy lot to be in any position of power never mind in the army. | |||
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"I've kinda tried to stay out of this but I'm bored. Hamas brought a knife to a gun fight and now cry about disproportionate force. You couldn't make that shit up. I do feel for Palestinaians, but I must say I'm of the opinion that you kill one of my family members, I'll wipe out your whole family. So you subscribe to the eyeS for an eye doctrine? Trouble with that approach is when you wipe out the whole family, it means their cousins will then come after you and the rest of your family and so on forever. It was Hamas that brought the knife not the Palestinian people, certainly not all of them. I understand the pitfalls of eye for an eye. I also understand it was Hamas that brought the knife. Hamas has been in power since 2006? If the citizens really didn't support them, asylum has always been an option, unless of course the borders have been closed for 17 years. I don't see anyone being turned down when we know it's a literal war zone." It waaaay more complicated than that. How many Arab countries are there? How many Muslim countries? As far as I am aware, none of them have thrown open their doors and offered a home to Palestinians. Egypt for example requires a visa and refuses to grant Palestinians citizenship. As for Hamas being in power since 2006. As a result of a fair and democratic election? No coercion? People confident they can use their voice to denounce Hamas. Come on...! | |||
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"I've kinda tried to stay out of this but I'm bored. Hamas brought a knife to a gun fight and now cry about disproportionate force. You couldn't make that shit up. I do feel for Palestinaians, but I must say I'm of the opinion that you kill one of my family members, I'll wipe out your whole family. So you subscribe to the eyeS for an eye doctrine? Trouble with that approach is when you wipe out the whole family, it means their cousins will then come after you and the rest of your family and so on forever. It was Hamas that brought the knife not the Palestinian people, certainly not all of them. I understand the pitfalls of eye for an eye. I also understand it was Hamas that brought the knife. Hamas has been in power since 2006? If the citizens really didn't support them, asylum has always been an option, unless of course the borders have been closed for 17 years. I don't see anyone being turned down when we know it's a literal war zone. It waaaay more complicated than that. How many Arab countries are there? How many Muslim countries? As far as I am aware, none of them have thrown open their doors and offered a home to Palestinians. Egypt for example requires a visa and refuses to grant Palestinians citizenship. As for Hamas being in power since 2006. As a result of a fair and democratic election? No coercion? People confident they can use their voice to denounce Hamas. Come on...!" Are the IDF checking voting intentions of these people prior to bombing them? | |||
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"I've kinda tried to stay out of this but I'm bored. Hamas brought a knife to a gun fight and now cry about disproportionate force. You couldn't make that shit up. I do feel for Palestinaians, but I must say I'm of the opinion that you kill one of my family members, I'll wipe out your whole family. So you subscribe to the eyeS for an eye doctrine? Trouble with that approach is when you wipe out the whole family, it means their cousins will then come after you and the rest of your family and so on forever. It was Hamas that brought the knife not the Palestinian people, certainly not all of them. I understand the pitfalls of eye for an eye. I also understand it was Hamas that brought the knife. Hamas has been in power since 2006? If the citizens really didn't support them, asylum has always been an option, unless of course the borders have been closed for 17 years. I don't see anyone being turned down when we know it's a literal war zone. It waaaay more complicated than that. How many Arab countries are there? How many Muslim countries? As far as I am aware, none of them have thrown open their doors and offered a home to Palestinians. Egypt for example requires a visa and refuses to grant Palestinians citizenship. As for Hamas being in power since 2006. As a result of a fair and democratic election? No coercion? People confident they can use their voice to denounce Hamas. Come on...!" Could they have only fled to Arab/Muslim countries? Were constantly told that we (The UK) should be accepting of anyone fleeing war, does that not include Palestinians? Of course it's complicated but let's face it, people, and I mean everyone has 'fight or flight'. I couldn't care less about the 2006 'elections', they were 17 years ago and any/all citizens would have had ample opportunity to flee should they have wished. | |||
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"It's a power play by everyone in the middleast. Hamas knew what the repercussions would be. They want to gain as much sympathy as possible for their actions. Civilian casualties are unavoidable. Fact. The difference is one side is trying to limit the casualties the other doesn't care." your talking out of your hoop | |||
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"I've kinda tried to stay out of this but I'm bored. Hamas brought a knife to a gun fight and now cry about disproportionate force. You couldn't make that shit up. I do feel for Palestinaians, but I must say I'm of the opinion that you kill one of my family members, I'll wipe out your whole family. So you subscribe to the eyeS for an eye doctrine? Trouble with that approach is when you wipe out the whole family, it means their cousins will then come after you and the rest of your family and so on forever. It was Hamas that brought the knife not the Palestinian people, certainly not all of them. I understand the pitfalls of eye for an eye. I also understand it was Hamas that brought the knife. Hamas has been in power since 2006? If the citizens really didn't support them, asylum has always been an option, unless of course the borders have been closed for 17 years. I don't see anyone being turned down when we know it's a literal war zone. It waaaay more complicated than that. How many Arab countries are there? How many Muslim countries? As far as I am aware, none of them have thrown open their doors and offered a home to Palestinians. Egypt for example requires a visa and refuses to grant Palestinians citizenship. As for Hamas being in power since 2006. As a result of a fair and democratic election? No coercion? People confident they can use their voice to denounce Hamas. Come on...! Could they have only fled to Arab/Muslim countries? Were constantly told that we (The UK) should be accepting of anyone fleeing war, does that not include Palestinians? Of course it's complicated but let's face it, people, and I mean everyone has 'fight or flight'. I couldn't care less about the 2006 'elections', they were 17 years ago and any/all citizens would have had ample opportunity to flee should they have wished. " why should they flee there country, we all know wat happens if they do, the gaza strip dissapears and isreal gets bigger | |||
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"I've kinda tried to stay out of this but I'm bored. Hamas brought a knife to a gun fight and now cry about disproportionate force. You couldn't make that shit up. I do feel for Palestinaians, but I must say I'm of the opinion that you kill one of my family members, I'll wipe out your whole family. So you subscribe to the eyeS for an eye doctrine? Trouble with that approach is when you wipe out the whole family, it means their cousins will then come after you and the rest of your family and so on forever. It was Hamas that brought the knife not the Palestinian people, certainly not all of them. I understand the pitfalls of eye for an eye. I also understand it was Hamas that brought the knife. Hamas has been in power since 2006? If the citizens really didn't support them, asylum has always been an option, unless of course the borders have been closed for 17 years. I don't see anyone being turned down when we know it's a literal war zone. It waaaay more complicated than that. How many Arab countries are there? How many Muslim countries? As far as I am aware, none of them have thrown open their doors and offered a home to Palestinians. Egypt for example requires a visa and refuses to grant Palestinians citizenship. As for Hamas being in power since 2006. As a result of a fair and democratic election? No coercion? People confident they can use their voice to denounce Hamas. Come on...! Could they have only fled to Arab/Muslim countries? Were constantly told that we (The UK) should be accepting of anyone fleeing war, does that not include Palestinians? Of course it's complicated but let's face it, people, and I mean everyone has 'fight or flight'. I couldn't care less about the 2006 'elections', they were 17 years ago and any/all citizens would have had ample opportunity to flee should they have wished. why should they flee there country, we all know wat happens if they do, the gaza strip dissapears and isreal gets bigger" I'm not saying they have to, I'm saying by staying they are supporting Hamas by default. | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. " You really have beef with people who don't want war crimes to happen? | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. You really have beef with people who don't want war crimes to happen?" I have beef with unrealistic thinking, not being able to grasp the situation and people who simply talk bollocks, | |||
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"It's a power play by everyone in the middleast. Hamas knew what the repercussions would be. They want to gain as much sympathy as possible for their actions. Civilian casualties are unavoidable. Fact. The difference is one side is trying to limit the casualties the other doesn't care." That doesn't make sense, there's no evidence or any indication that their actions were designed to gain sympathy.. It was meant to terrorise pure and simple, and promote the inevitable reaction from Israel.. Maybe to show others Hezbollah perhaps that there are vulnerabilities to be exploited and possibly embolden them to carry out similar.. But sympathy, no just don't see that.. | |||
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"It's a power play by everyone in the middleast. Hamas knew what the repercussions would be. They want to gain as much sympathy as possible for their actions. Civilian casualties are unavoidable. Fact. The difference is one side is trying to limit the casualties the other doesn't care. That doesn't make sense, there's no evidence or any indication that their actions were designed to gain sympathy.. It was meant to terrorise pure and simple, and promote the inevitable reaction from Israel.. Maybe to show others Hezbollah perhaps that there are vulnerabilities to be exploited and possibly embolden them to carry out similar.. But sympathy, no just don't see that.. " It wasn't sympathy, I agree. It was a coordinated attack with backing, with one outcome, to stir up hatred and provoke reactions across the globe. to that end they have been successful, shame they threw their own into a dire position. | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. You really have beef with people who don't want war crimes to happen? I have beef with unrealistic thinking, not being able to grasp the situation and people who simply talk bollocks," Is it unrealistic to expect Israel not to commit war crimes? Most other countries seem to manage it. | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. You really have beef with people who don't want war crimes to happen? I have beef with unrealistic thinking, not being able to grasp the situation and people who simply talk bollocks, Is it unrealistic to expect Israel not to commit war crimes? Most other countries seem to manage it. " Name one country who has been at war who has not committed a war crime | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. You really have beef with people who don't want war crimes to happen? I have beef with unrealistic thinking, not being able to grasp the situation and people who simply talk bollocks, Is it unrealistic to expect Israel not to commit war crimes? Most other countries seem to manage it. Name one country who has been at war who has not committed a war crime" Ukraine. | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. You really have beef with people who don't want war crimes to happen? I have beef with unrealistic thinking, not being able to grasp the situation and people who simply talk bollocks, Is it unrealistic to expect Israel not to commit war crimes? Most other countries seem to manage it. Name one country who has been at war who has not committed a war crime Ukraine. " You really do not understand war do you, and you have zero evidence that Ukrainian soldiers have not committed a war crime... | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. You really have beef with people who don't want war crimes to happen? I have beef with unrealistic thinking, not being able to grasp the situation and people who simply talk bollocks, Is it unrealistic to expect Israel not to commit war crimes? Most other countries seem to manage it. Name one country who has been at war who has not committed a war crime Ukraine. You really do not understand war do you, and you have zero evidence that Ukrainian soldiers have not committed a war crime..." I can confirm that you're correct, I haven't been out on the front collecting evidence that Ukrainian soldiers haven't been committing war crimes. Have you been collecting evidence that they have? You know, either way, I won't be shamed or ridiculed for being anti-war crimes. | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. You really have beef with people who don't want war crimes to happen? I have beef with unrealistic thinking, not being able to grasp the situation and people who simply talk bollocks, Is it unrealistic to expect Israel not to commit war crimes? Most other countries seem to manage it. Name one country who has been at war who has not committed a war crime Ukraine. You really do not understand war do you, and you have zero evidence that Ukrainian soldiers have not committed a war crime..." how does one get evidence to show this ? | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. You really have beef with people who don't want war crimes to happen? I have beef with unrealistic thinking, not being able to grasp the situation and people who simply talk bollocks, Is it unrealistic to expect Israel not to commit war crimes? Most other countries seem to manage it. Name one country who has been at war who has not committed a war crime Ukraine. " is Ukraine fighting a asymmetric war? No they are not. It's easy to identify your foe when you are not fighting that type of war. Major differences. Israel is fighting a asymmetric one. | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. You really have beef with people who don't want war crimes to happen? I have beef with unrealistic thinking, not being able to grasp the situation and people who simply talk bollocks, Is it unrealistic to expect Israel not to commit war crimes? Most other countries seem to manage it. Name one country who has been at war who has not committed a war crime Ukraine. " . You've got to be joking. I'm no fan of Putin but Zelensky is a walking war crime. pt | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. You really have beef with people who don't want war crimes to happen? I have beef with unrealistic thinking, not being able to grasp the situation and people who simply talk bollocks, Is it unrealistic to expect Israel not to commit war crimes? Most other countries seem to manage it. Name one country who has been at war who has not committed a war crime Ukraine. is Ukraine fighting a asymmetric war? No they are not. It's easy to identify your foe when you are not fighting that type of war. Major differences. Israel is fighting a asymmetric one. " Dunno what this means. I was just answering the other chap's question. | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. You really have beef with people who don't want war crimes to happen? I have beef with unrealistic thinking, not being able to grasp the situation and people who simply talk bollocks, Is it unrealistic to expect Israel not to commit war crimes? Most other countries seem to manage it. Name one country who has been at war who has not committed a war crime Ukraine. . You've got to be joking. I'm no fan of Putin but Zelensky is a walking war crime. pt " If they have. I can happily say I am not ashamed to be in opposition to war crimes. | |||
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"Probably not the wisest idea for Israel to target a hospital right before the us president comes in…. This is going to fuel and inflame the situation right across the Middle East " And right on cue the Palestinian leader in the West Bank pulls out of his meeting with Biden tomorrow…. He is supposed to also be meeting the leaders of Jordan and Egypt tomorrow This is going to raise the pressure many times now… Israel just put the US in an really awkward position | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. You really have beef with people who don't want war crimes to happen? I have beef with unrealistic thinking, not being able to grasp the situation and people who simply talk bollocks, Is it unrealistic to expect Israel not to commit war crimes? Most other countries seem to manage it. Name one country who has been at war who has not committed a war crime Ukraine. is Ukraine fighting a asymmetric war? No they are not. It's easy to identify your foe when you are not fighting that type of war. Major differences. Israel is fighting a asymmetric one. " You must be assuming Iran and Russia etc will get involved, because there is nothing asymmetrical about keeping a perpetually-weakened enemy in a giant cage to which you control the supply of resources. It could scarcely be anything less. pt | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. You really have beef with people who don't want war crimes to happen? I have beef with unrealistic thinking, not being able to grasp the situation and people who simply talk bollocks, Is it unrealistic to expect Israel not to commit war crimes? Most other countries seem to manage it. Name one country who has been at war who has not committed a war crime Ukraine. . You've got to be joking. I'm no fan of Putin but Zelensky is a walking war crime. pt If they have. I can happily say I am not ashamed to be in opposition to war crimes. " Yeah, to the last very drop of every other young person's blood. Mighty. pt | |||
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"So if this Israeli air strike on the hospital seems to have killed 500-750 people, does this make it 2-3 times the war crime Hamas committed at the dance _estival? This one act may draw everyone in….. It will be interesting to now see who condemn Israel for this act…. I wonder if Biden turns the plane around " . I'm not a natural conspiracy theorist but this is war in its fullest sense of course.. do we yet know if this dance _estival massacre actually happened? ie 260 (or anything like that) dead?. The only video I'm seen showed a gunman shooting into the ground off camera. It looked like a hostage grab. CNN said it showed him shooting a people, but it actually didn't - unless of course you fully-accept the Israeli account that came with it. As I understand it, the bodies or other footage have not been shown yet. Same with the 40 beheaded babies that reporter 'heard about'. pt | |||
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"Probably not the wisest idea for Israel to target a hospital right before the us president comes in…. This is going to fuel and inflame the situation right across the Middle East And right on cue the Palestinian leader in the West Bank pulls out of his meeting with Biden tomorrow…. He is supposed to also be meeting the leaders of Jordan and Egypt tomorrow This is going to raise the pressure many times now… Israel just put the US in an really awkward position " A mistake or a message to POTUS that they will do what they want to.. | |||
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"Probably not the wisest idea for Israel to target a hospital right before the us president comes in…. This is going to fuel and inflame the situation right across the Middle East And right on cue the Palestinian leader in the West Bank pulls out of his meeting with Biden tomorrow…. He is supposed to also be meeting the leaders of Jordan and Egypt tomorrow This is going to raise the pressure many times now… Israel just put the US in an really awkward position A mistake or a message to POTUS that they will do what they want to.." If it’s the latter.. that will make for a very interesting press conference tomorrow….. if it’s the former… that will make for a really awkward press conference because we all know what the first question will be! Anyway Biden is probably screaming at benny as we speak shouting WTF!!!! The optics on this is going to look awful!! | |||
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"Probably not the wisest idea for Israel to target a hospital right before the us president comes in…. This is going to fuel and inflame the situation right across the Middle East And right on cue the Palestinian leader in the West Bank pulls out of his meeting with Biden tomorrow…. He is supposed to also be meeting the leaders of Jordan and Egypt tomorrow This is going to raise the pressure many times now… Israel just put the US in an really awkward position A mistake or a message to POTUS that they will do what they want to.. If it’s the latter.. that will make for a very interesting press conference tomorrow….. if it’s the former… that will make for a really awkward press conference because we all know what the first question will be! Anyway Biden is probably screaming at benny as we speak shouting WTF!!!! The optics on this is going to look awful!!" Either way nothing will change. USA will still back Israel | |||
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"It's interesting to reflect on what we mean by self defence. In English common law term self-defence applies where a person uses necessary, reasonable and proportionate force to defend themselves. It is not carte blanche for unlimited revenge nor an eye for eye. Project that principle onto Israel's situation, and it's hard not to conclude they are going far beyond self defence." You’re lost at self-defence. How are you on someone elses land and claiming you are defending? If you are in someone elses country, then surely you cant claim defense | |||
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"I've kinda tried to stay out of this but I'm bored. Hamas brought a knife to a gun fight and now cry about disproportionate force. You couldn't make that shit up. I do feel for Palestinaians, but I must say I'm of the opinion that you kill one of my family members, I'll wipe out your whole family. So you subscribe to the eyeS for an eye doctrine? Trouble with that approach is when you wipe out the whole family, it means their cousins will then come after you and the rest of your family and so on forever. It was Hamas that brought the knife not the Palestinian people, certainly not all of them. I understand the pitfalls of eye for an eye. I also understand it was Hamas that brought the knife. Hamas has been in power since 2006? If the citizens really didn't support them, asylum has always been an option, unless of course the borders have been closed for 17 years. I don't see anyone being turned down when we know it's a literal war zone. It waaaay more complicated than that. How many Arab countries are there? How many Muslim countries? As far as I am aware, none of them have thrown open their doors and offered a home to Palestinians. Egypt for example requires a visa and refuses to grant Palestinians citizenship. As for Hamas being in power since 2006. As a result of a fair and democratic election? No coercion? People confident they can use their voice to denounce Hamas. Come on...! Could they have only fled to Arab/Muslim countries? Were constantly told that we (The UK) should be accepting of anyone fleeing war, does that not include Palestinians? Of course it's complicated but let's face it, people, and I mean everyone has 'fight or flight'. I couldn't care less about the 2006 'elections', they were 17 years ago and any/all citizens would have had ample opportunity to flee should they have wished. why should they flee there country, we all know wat happens if they do, the gaza strip dissapears and isreal gets bigger I'm not saying they have to, I'm saying by staying they are supporting Hamas by default. " Oh Feisty that is a plain silly thing to say! You (or I) have never walked a second in their shoes and have zero idea if what you suggest is remotely possible. | |||
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"I've kinda tried to stay out of this but I'm bored. Hamas brought a knife to a gun fight and now cry about disproportionate force. You couldn't make that shit up. I do feel for Palestinaians, but I must say I'm of the opinion that you kill one of my family members, I'll wipe out your whole family. So you subscribe to the eyeS for an eye doctrine? Trouble with that approach is when you wipe out the whole family, it means their cousins will then come after you and the rest of your family and so on forever. It was Hamas that brought the knife not the Palestinian people, certainly not all of them. I understand the pitfalls of eye for an eye. I also understand it was Hamas that brought the knife. Hamas has been in power since 2006? If the citizens really didn't support them, asylum has always been an option, unless of course the borders have been closed for 17 years. I don't see anyone being turned down when we know it's a literal war zone. It waaaay more complicated than that. How many Arab countries are there? How many Muslim countries? As far as I am aware, none of them have thrown open their doors and offered a home to Palestinians. Egypt for example requires a visa and refuses to grant Palestinians citizenship. As for Hamas being in power since 2006. As a result of a fair and democratic election? No coercion? People confident they can use their voice to denounce Hamas. Come on...! Could they have only fled to Arab/Muslim countries? Were constantly told that we (The UK) should be accepting of anyone fleeing war, does that not include Palestinians? Of course it's complicated but let's face it, people, and I mean everyone has 'fight or flight'. I couldn't care less about the 2006 'elections', they were 17 years ago and any/all citizens would have had ample opportunity to flee should they have wished. why should they flee there country, we all know wat happens if they do, the gaza strip dissapears and isreal gets bigger I'm not saying they have to, I'm saying by staying they are supporting Hamas by default. Oh Feisty that is a plain silly thing to say! You (or I) have never walked a second in their shoes and have zero idea if what you suggest is remotely possible." We have zero idea if it's remotely possible to run? In 2019, more than 5m Palestinaians were registered as refugees with the UN. Not such a silly thought after all. I told you earlier I had stayed out of it because there's no debate, you're proving it here by trying to say my opinion is silly rather than think about what I said. | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. Also stop with the BS of Hamas should just come out & fight. let’s think bigger picture & some likely truths. Hamas are arseholes Israel knew these attacks were coming but means to an end & all that, Hamas gone (Laughable,when you are their best recruitment video) settlements, expansion etc. So for arguments sake Israel are playing the West. But what if Hamas are playing Israel? What if they knew with BN & the right wing in power a decent sized & ferocious attack would result in this outcome so they show a bit because nothing is secret, BN has his thoughts on his job, coalition with the far right & thinks “We’ll let this little attack happen” I’ll look good when we kick their butt, a few deaths is worth me keeping power, fuck I could even be a hero” Hamas stiff him by throwing everything out there knowing it’ll make him look like an idiot for not knowing it’s coming (He can hardly admit to thinking a little attack is coming can he) & what will be his likely response & ergo bring the rest of Islam to the fight. BN is now pissed they put one over on him, a few innocents we can live with but explaining why he didn’t know......Why have we not heard more on this? Why no sackings or resignations? Why no parents of the dead screaming for his head on a stick? So now everyone is involved, on the surface Biden is visiting to show Israel support, so why is he also going to Jordan to see it’s leaders & those of Palestine & possibly others in secret who we are not supposed to be talking too. Why bother if you fully support Israel no matter what? The answer has already come out of Joe Bidens mouth “An Israeli occupation of Gaza would be a mistake”.It was a hint & I think it has already been made by the previous envoys to Israel & the Israeli Leaders told them to fck off so Biden is coming to do it himself. Someone said Hamas should come out & fight the military, easy to do when only your side has a military but what if occupation is the straw that breaks? What if America say “You occupy/settle Gaza & you are on your own”. What then? Which army do you want to take on first & what do you do when you are out of tanks & planes? When you are out of professional soldiers? You become a barbarian, that is what you do....You pick up that gun, that axe, that knife & defend what you think is “The Right” by your God. Just the same as the other side already do. S " Why are you so obsessed by the Israeli Governement being right wing? You write it in just about every post  | |||
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"The USA live in constantly frustration of the Israel government and their never-ending and sometimes quite breathtaking rudeness towards them. Politicians are huge cowards though, and what happened to Labour under Corbyn (the professional analysis that is) will make anyone facing an election doubly scared of properly standing up to those political monsters. This is all going to be diplomacy, and a lot will depend on what happens with Iran and their of chain of allies. pt" No frustration here. 64% of the American public agrees with my assessment on supporting Israel. | |||
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"Against hamas war crimes, there was some interesting replies to my answer in the other thread, but it got filded up, so it would be interesting to see what your view about it is. Yes absolutely they have the right to defend themselves especially against monsters like Hamas but it's not easy / impossible to do this without innocent Palestinians becoming victims too. This is not by accident, it is how groups like Hamas operate. They are very brave when faced with ordinary unarmed civilians, children and babies but not so brave against those that fight back. The military use armour ect as protection where as groups like Hamas use innocent civilians as protection in the knowledge that they will either be safe or if not Israel will be held responsible for civilian casualties. It's a no win situation" Yes, you are right there, it is not easy easy to do | |||
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It's actually currently Far Right (from being Hard Right!) and is recognised as such.
Do you not understand politics?
It's not even just on the political Right!
pt"Oh it's you who likes to feel superior
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"It’s ok, The former Israeli ambassador to London says from all his information from the highest level it was a Hamas rocket that fell short. Cool, I’ll take that from the same high ups who said it was a surprise “Biggest attack in the recent history of Israel” attack by 2000+ Armed Hamas. Huh huh. Yeah ok. S" It made me laugh it took someone 3 hrs to deny they did it in a 2 line statement….. Don’t you think they would be all in front of this left right and centre rather than a different narrative coming out | |||
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"So if this Israeli air strike on the hospital seems to have killed 500-750 people, does this make it 2-3 times the war crime Hamas committed at the dance _estival? This one act may draw everyone in….. It will be interesting to now see who condemn Israel for this act…. I wonder if Biden turns the plane around . I'm not a natural conspiracy theorist but this is war in its fullest sense of course.. do we yet know if this dance _estival massacre actually happened? ie 260 (or anything like that) dead?. The only video I'm seen showed a gunman shooting into the ground off camera. It looked like a hostage grab. CNN said it showed him shooting a people, but it actually didn't - unless of course you fully-accept the Israeli account that came with it. As I understand it, the bodies or other footage have not been shown yet. Same with the 40 beheaded babies that reporter 'heard about'. pt " I've been looking for better footage and have seen the cars. Can anyone help me on this? I know what Hamas did in general (and was as shocked as everyone else, although also completely unsurprised given the politics and of course what they've endured for so long) but was there a direct, distinct an unequivocal 'dance _estival massacre'? What I'm seeing seems like a media conflation of different events, too many deaths and a lot of hostage taking (the main event here I would say - and part of their larger strategy). I am open to correction, but this is what a lot of people are saying. pt | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. Also stop with the BS of Hamas should just come out & fight. let’s think bigger picture & some likely truths. Hamas are arseholes Israel knew these attacks were coming but means to an end & all that, Hamas gone (Laughable,when you are their best recruitment video) settlements, expansion etc. So for arguments sake Israel are playing the West. But what if Hamas are playing Israel? What if they knew with BN & the right wing in power a decent sized & ferocious attack would result in this outcome so they show a bit because nothing is secret, BN has his thoughts on his job, coalition with the far right & thinks “We’ll let this little attack happen” I’ll look good when we kick their butt, a few deaths is worth me keeping power, fuck I could even be a hero” Hamas stiff him by throwing everything out there knowing it’ll make him look like an idiot for not knowing it’s coming (He can hardly admit to thinking a little attack is coming can he) & what will be his likely response & ergo bring the rest of Islam to the fight. BN is now pissed they put one over on him, a few innocents we can live with but explaining why he didn’t know......Why have we not heard more on this? Why no sackings or resignations? Why no parents of the dead screaming for his head on a stick? So now everyone is involved, on the surface Biden is visiting to show Israel support, so why is he also going to Jordan to see it’s leaders & those of Palestine & possibly others in secret who we are not supposed to be talking too. Why bother if you fully support Israel no matter what? The answer has already come out of Joe Bidens mouth “An Israeli occupation of Gaza would be a mistake”.It was a hint & I think it has already been made by the previous envoys to Israel & the Israeli Leaders told them to fck off so Biden is coming to do it himself. Someone said Hamas should come out & fight the military, easy to do when only your side has a military but what if occupation is the straw that breaks? What if America say “You occupy/settle Gaza & you are on your own”. What then? Which army do you want to take on first & what do you do when you are out of tanks & planes? When you are out of professional soldiers? You become a barbarian, that is what you do....You pick up that gun, that axe, that knife & defend what you think is “The Right” by your God. Just the same as the other side already do. S Why are you so obsessed by the Israeli Governement being right wing? You write it in just about every post "Possibly because it might not be Netanyahu in total control as he formed his parliament with what is known to be an Ultra right wing zealot who cannot even speak from the same page as BN they are so much further to the right. There are zealots & liars & players on both sides. Yet apparently we are to blindly believe what one side tells us while disbelieving the other. All while the leader of said group has said Israel is for the Jewish & I’m pretty sure he didn’t just mean the bit they have now. Zealots are dangerous people to put in charge. S | |||
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" Why are you so obsessed by the Israeli Governement being right wing? You write it in just about every post
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It's actually currently Far Right (from being Hard Right!) and is recognised as such.
Do you not understand politics?
It's not even just on the political Right!
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Oh it's you who likes to feel superior
I asked why that particular poster was obsessed by the Israeli Government being Right wing, I didn't say they were right wing.
Do learn to read
"I can't see any sensible difference in those two things!  (ie it being it or someone being obsessed with it being it in this instance!)
Israeli politics is literally what ALL of this is about!
In 1947 the world actually expected if not fully hoped Israel would be a Left-leaning country. Understatement of the post-war years: It is not.
And do you really think that I make my posts to 'feel superior'?
Or is all of this just about taking sillypops and am I just wasting my time. Yes I am, of course I am.
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. Also stop with the BS of Hamas should just come out & fight. let’s think bigger picture & some likely truths. Hamas are arseholes Israel knew these attacks were coming but means to an end & all that, Hamas gone (Laughable,when you are their best recruitment video) settlements, expansion etc. So for arguments sake Israel are playing the West. But what if Hamas are playing Israel? What if they knew with BN & the right wing in power a decent sized & ferocious attack would result in this outcome so they show a bit because nothing is secret, BN has his thoughts on his job, coalition with the far right & thinks “We’ll let this little attack happen” I’ll look good when we kick their butt, a few deaths is worth me keeping power, fuck I could even be a hero” Hamas stiff him by throwing everything out there knowing it’ll make him look like an idiot for not knowing it’s coming (He can hardly admit to thinking a little attack is coming can he) & what will be his likely response & ergo bring the rest of Islam to the fight. BN is now pissed they put one over on him, a few innocents we can live with but explaining why he didn’t know......Why have we not heard more on this? Why no sackings or resignations? Why no parents of the dead screaming for his head on a stick? So now everyone is involved, on the surface Biden is visiting to show Israel support, so why is he also going to Jordan to see it’s leaders & those of Palestine & possibly others in secret who we are not supposed to be talking too. Why bother if you fully support Israel no matter what? The answer has already come out of Joe Bidens mouth “An Israeli occupation of Gaza would be a mistake”.It was a hint & I think it has already been made by the previous envoys to Israel & the Israeli Leaders told them to fck off so Biden is coming to do it himself. Someone said Hamas should come out & fight the military, easy to do when only your side has a military but what if occupation is the straw that breaks? What if America say “You occupy/settle Gaza & you are on your own”. What then? Which army do you want to take on first & what do you do when you are out of tanks & planes? When you are out of professional soldiers? You become a barbarian, that is what you do....You pick up that gun, that axe, that knife & defend what you think is “The Right” by your God. Just the same as the other side already do. S Why are you so obsessed by the Israeli Governement being right wing? You write it in just about every post
Possibly because it might not be Netanyahu in total control as he formed his parliament with what is known to be an Ultra right wing zealot who cannot even speak from the same page as BN they are so much further to the right. There are zealots & liars & players on both sides. Yet apparently we are to blindly believe what one side tells us while disbelieving the other.
All while the leader of said group has said Israel is for the Jewish & I’m pretty sure he didn’t just mean the bit they have now.
Zealots are dangerous people to put in charge.
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" Why are you so obsessed by the Israeli Governement being right wing? You write it in just about every post
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It's actually currently Far Right (from being Hard Right!) and is recognised as such.
Do you not understand politics?
It's not even just on the political Right!
pt
Oh it's you who likes to feel superior
I asked why that particular poster was obsessed by the Israeli Government being Right wing, I didn't say they were right wing.
Do learn to read
I can't see any sensible difference in those two things! (ie it being it or someone being obsessed with it being it in this instance!)
Israeli politics is literally what ALL of this is about!
In 1947 the world actually expected if not fully hoped Israel would be a Left-leaning country. Understatement of the post-war years: It is not.
And do you really think that I make my posts to 'feel superior'?
Or is all of this just about taking sillypops and am I just wasting my time. Yes I am, of course I am.
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. Also stop with the BS of Hamas should just come out & fight. let’s think bigger picture & some likely truths. Hamas are arseholes Israel knew these attacks were coming but means to an end & all that, Hamas gone (Laughable,when you are their best recruitment video) settlements, expansion etc. So for arguments sake Israel are playing the West. But what if Hamas are playing Israel? What if they knew with BN & the right wing in power a decent sized & ferocious attack would result in this outcome so they show a bit because nothing is secret, BN has his thoughts on his job, coalition with the far right & thinks “We’ll let this little attack happen” I’ll look good when we kick their butt, a few deaths is worth me keeping power, fuck I could even be a hero” Hamas stiff him by throwing everything out there knowing it’ll make him look like an idiot for not knowing it’s coming (He can hardly admit to thinking a little attack is coming can he) & what will be his likely response & ergo bring the rest of Islam to the fight. BN is now pissed they put one over on him, a few innocents we can live with but explaining why he didn’t know......Why have we not heard more on this? Why no sackings or resignations? Why no parents of the dead screaming for his head on a stick? So now everyone is involved, on the surface Biden is visiting to show Israel support, so why is he also going to Jordan to see it’s leaders & those of Palestine & possibly others in secret who we are not supposed to be talking too. Why bother if you fully support Israel no matter what? The answer has already come out of Joe Bidens mouth “An Israeli occupation of Gaza would be a mistake”.It was a hint & I think it has already been made by the previous envoys to Israel & the Israeli Leaders told them to fck off so Biden is coming to do it himself. Someone said Hamas should come out & fight the military, easy to do when only your side has a military but what if occupation is the straw that breaks? What if America say “You occupy/settle Gaza & you are on your own”. What then? Which army do you want to take on first & what do you do when you are out of tanks & planes? When you are out of professional soldiers? You become a barbarian, that is what you do....You pick up that gun, that axe, that knife & defend what you think is “The Right” by your God. Just the same as the other side already do. S Why are you so obsessed by the Israeli Governement being right wing? You write it in just about every post
Possibly because it might not be Netanyahu in total control as he formed his parliament with what is known to be an Ultra right wing zealot who cannot even speak from the same page as BN they are so much further to the right. There are zealots & liars & players on both sides. Yet apparently we are to blindly believe what one side tells us while disbelieving the other.
All while the leader of said group has said Israel is for the Jewish & I’m pretty sure he didn’t just mean the bit they have now.
Zealots are dangerous people to put in charge.
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Hamas have pursued a policy of Jihad, which as it happens would be considered 'far right'. I haven't seen you mention that at all, but you mention Israel being 'right' or 'far right' in just about every post.
It's bizarre."I’ll take that onboard, but I just see Hamas as religious zealots not right/left or anything as it’s the thing that overrides everything else they do. So therefore is inconsequential. With Israel on the other hand you could almost say if those there now were replaced by a more moderate Government the likelihood it’d got this far out of hand (& it is out of hand) would be far less imo. That’s not to say a more moderate Government would not retaliate obviously but maybe the level of distrust on my part (even MSM are asking more searching questions now) would be lessened if warmongers were not in charge. S | |||
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" Why are you so obsessed by the Israeli Governement being right wing? You write it in just about every post
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It's actually currently Far Right (from being Hard Right!) and is recognised as such.
Do you not understand politics?
It's not even just on the political Right!
pt
Oh it's you who likes to feel superior
I asked why that particular poster was obsessed by the Israeli Government being Right wing, I didn't say they were right wing.
Do learn to read
I can't see any sensible difference in those two things! (ie it being it or someone being obsessed with it being it in this instance!)
Israeli politics is literally what ALL of this is about!
In 1947 the world actually expected if not fully hoped Israel would be a Left-leaning country. Understatement of the post-war years: It is not.
And do you really think that I make my posts to 'feel superior'?
Or is all of this just about taking sillypops and am I just wasting my time. Yes I am, of course I am.
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Only Israeli politics, not Hamas politics too?
And you had the cheek to ask me if I understood politics?
You were trying to engage there until your last paragraph the superiority complex is real
". Israel are the most per-capita armed country in the world, given billions every year by the US as its strategical outpost for several decades. It was given land all its initial land. It has taken all the rest of its land, and it uses any type of excuse to expand and move Palestinians away. It controls the Gaza strip. It is *ALL* about them! And they've always scuppered every One or Two state solution on the cards, because they have been waiting for the war that ends the wars. The one were they get keep Golan, parts of Lebanon and most of the rest if not all and more. They actually talk about Palestinians like they are the nomadic Bedouin they've always pushed around. They've got away with so much over so many years why would they not think like this? The Palestinians (and others in the world) know this, and terrifyingly this could be the big War than settles it all. pt | |||
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"The way some people talk about war makes interesting reading, the opinion that it is measured and should not be x or y. It is a war, aggression to death carried out by soldiers on soldiers, expect things to go wrong, expect war crimes and stop living in cloud cuckoo land. Also stop with the BS of Hamas should just come out & fight. let’s think bigger picture & some likely truths. Hamas are arseholes Israel knew these attacks were coming but means to an end & all that, Hamas gone (Laughable,when you are their best recruitment video) settlements, expansion etc. So for arguments sake Israel are playing the West. But what if Hamas are playing Israel? What if they knew with BN & the right wing in power a decent sized & ferocious attack would result in this outcome so they show a bit because nothing is secret, BN has his thoughts on his job, coalition with the far right & thinks “We’ll let this little attack happen” I’ll look good when we kick their butt, a few deaths is worth me keeping power, fuck I could even be a hero” Hamas stiff him by throwing everything out there knowing it’ll make him look like an idiot for not knowing it’s coming (He can hardly admit to thinking a little attack is coming can he) & what will be his likely response & ergo bring the rest of Islam to the fight. BN is now pissed they put one over on him, a few innocents we can live with but explaining why he didn’t know......Why have we not heard more on this? Why no sackings or resignations? Why no parents of the dead screaming for his head on a stick? So now everyone is involved, on the surface Biden is visiting to show Israel support, so why is he also going to Jordan to see it’s leaders & those of Palestine & possibly others in secret who we are not supposed to be talking too. Why bother if you fully support Israel no matter what? The answer has already come out of Joe Bidens mouth “An Israeli occupation of Gaza would be a mistake”.It was a hint & I think it has already been made by the previous envoys to Israel & the Israeli Leaders told them to fck off so Biden is coming to do it himself. Someone said Hamas should come out & fight the military, easy to do when only your side has a military but what if occupation is the straw that breaks? What if America say “You occupy/settle Gaza & you are on your own”. What then? Which army do you want to take on first & what do you do when you are out of tanks & planes? When you are out of professional soldiers? You become a barbarian, that is what you do....You pick up that gun, that axe, that knife & defend what you think is “The Right” by your God. Just the same as the other side already do. S Why are you so obsessed by the Israeli Governement being right wing? You write it in just about every post
Possibly because it might not be Netanyahu in total control as he formed his parliament with what is known to be an Ultra right wing zealot who cannot even speak from the same page as BN they are so much further to the right. There are zealots & liars & players on both sides. Yet apparently we are to blindly believe what one side tells us while disbelieving the other.
All while the leader of said group has said Israel is for the Jewish & I’m pretty sure he didn’t just mean the bit they have now.
Zealots are dangerous people to put in charge.
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Hamas have pursued a policy of Jihad, which as it happens would be considered 'far right'. I haven't seen you mention that at all, but you mention Israel being 'right' or 'far right' in just about every post.
It's bizarre.
I’ll take that onboard, but I just see Hamas as religious zealots not right/left or anything as it’s the thing that overrides everything else they do. So therefore is inconsequential. With Israel on the other hand you could almost say if those there now were replaced by a more moderate Government the likelihood it’d got this far out of hand (& it is out of hand) would be far less imo.
That’s not to say a more moderate Government would not retaliate obviously but maybe the level of distrust on my part (even MSM are asking more searching questions now) would be lessened if warmongers were not in charge.
S"Maybe a more moderate Govt wouldn't respond as heavily as they have done so far, maybe they would, were not to know. You say you may have more trust if warmongers weren't in charge, yet appear to believe Hamas (judging by your posts), who coincidentally, are warmongers. | |||
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" Why are you so obsessed by the Israeli Governement being right wing? You write it in just about every post
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It's actually currently Far Right (from being Hard Right!) and is recognised as such.
Do you not understand politics?
It's not even just on the political Right!
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Oh it's you who likes to feel superior
I asked why that particular poster was obsessed by the Israeli Government being Right wing, I didn't say they were right wing.
Do learn to read
I can't see any sensible difference in those two things! (ie it being it or someone being obsessed with it being it in this instance!)
Israeli politics is literally what ALL of this is about!
In 1947 the world actually expected if not fully hoped Israel would be a Left-leaning country. Understatement of the post-war years: It is not.
And do you really think that I make my posts to 'feel superior'?
Or is all of this just about taking sillypops and am I just wasting my time. Yes I am, of course I am.
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Only Israeli politics, not Hamas politics too?
And you had the cheek to ask me if I understood politics?
You were trying to engage there until your last paragraph the superiority complex is real
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Israel are the most per-capita armed country in the world, given billions every year by the US as its strategical outpost for several decades.
It was given land all its initial land.
It has taken all the rest of its land, and it uses any type of excuse to expand and move Palestinians away.
It controls the Gaza strip.
It is *ALL* about them!
And they've always scuppered every One or Two state solution on the cards, because they have been waiting for the war that ends the wars. The one were they get keep Golan, parts of Lebanon and most of the rest if not all and more. They actually talk about Palestinians like they are the nomadic Bedouin they've always pushed around. They've got away with so much over so many years why would they not think like this? The Palestinians (and others in the world) know this, and terrifyingly this could be the big War than settles it all.
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" Why are you so obsessed by the Israeli Governement being right wing? You write it in just about every post
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It's actually currently Far Right (from being Hard Right!) and is recognised as such.
Do you not understand politics?
It's not even just on the political Right!
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Oh it's you who likes to feel superior
I asked why that particular poster was obsessed by the Israeli Government being Right wing, I didn't say they were right wing.
Do learn to read
I can't see any sensible difference in those two things! (ie it being it or someone being obsessed with it being it in this instance!)
Israeli politics is literally what ALL of this is about!
In 1947 the world actually expected if not fully hoped Israel would be a Left-leaning country. Understatement of the post-war years: It is not.
And do you really think that I make my posts to 'feel superior'?
Or is all of this just about taking sillypops and am I just wasting my time. Yes I am, of course I am.
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Only Israeli politics, not Hamas politics too?
And you had the cheek to ask me if I understood politics?
You were trying to engage there until your last paragraph the superiority complex is real
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Israel are the most per-capita armed country in the world, given billions every year by the US as its strategical outpost for several decades.
It was given land all its initial land.
It has taken all the rest of its land, and it uses any type of excuse to expand and move Palestinians away.
It controls the Gaza strip.
It is *ALL* about them!
And they've always scuppered every One or Two state solution on the cards, because they have been waiting for the war that ends the wars. The one were they get keep Golan, parts of Lebanon and most of the rest if not all and more. They actually talk about Palestinians like they are the nomadic Bedouin they've always pushed around. They've got away with so much over so many years why would they not think like this? The Palestinians (and others in the world) know this, and terrifyingly this could be the big War than settles it all.
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You're doing nothing but showing yourself up. This is not *ALL* about any one particular side. You'll never see the truth until you're able to accept that.
"I find that almost impossibly trite. This is nothing like "six of one and half a dozen of the other"! Nothing at all! And it's been going on all my life. Show some respect for people who have marched and talked and talked and marched and are just sick of all this shit. It's utterly harrowing to see all this finally happening now. And it's STILL the same old 'But you MUST keep calling the elected and popular party Hamas (for Gaza) 'terrorists' after every single pro-Palestinian point that we graciously let you make!!! And then what? You still get called a bloody anti Semite. pt | |||
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" Why are you so obsessed by the Israeli Governement being right wing? You write it in just about every post So tell us how many times Palestine rejected statehood again?
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It's actually currently Far Right (from being Hard Right!) and is recognised as such.
Do you not understand politics?
It's not even just on the political Right!
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Oh it's you who likes to feel superior
I asked why that particular poster was obsessed by the Israeli Government being Right wing, I didn't say they were right wing.
Do learn to read
I can't see any sensible difference in those two things! (ie it being it or someone being obsessed with it being it in this instance!)
Israeli politics is literally what ALL of this is about!
In 1947 the world actually expected if not fully hoped Israel would be a Left-leaning country. Understatement of the post-war years: It is not.
And do you really think that I make my posts to 'feel superior'?
Or is all of this just about taking sillypops and am I just wasting my time. Yes I am, of course I am.
pt
Only Israeli politics, not Hamas politics too?
And you had the cheek to ask me if I understood politics?
You were trying to engage there until your last paragraph the superiority complex is real
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Israel are the most per-capita armed country in the world, given billions every year by the US as its strategical outpost for several decades.
It was given land all its initial land.
It has taken all the rest of its land, and it uses any type of excuse to expand and move Palestinians away.
It controls the Gaza strip.
It is *ALL* about them!
And they've always scuppered every One or Two state solution on the cards, because they have been waiting for the war that ends the wars. The one were they get keep Golan, parts of Lebanon and most of the rest if not all and more. They actually talk about Palestinians like they are the nomadic Bedouin they've always pushed around. They've got away with so much over so many years why would they not think like this? The Palestinians (and others in the world) know this, and terrifyingly this could be the big War than settles it all.
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You're doing nothing but showing yourself up. This is not *ALL* about any one particular side. You'll never see the truth until you're able to accept that.
I find that almost impossibly trite. This is nothing like "six of one and half a dozen of the other"! Nothing at all! And it's been going on all my life. Show some respect for people who have marched and talked and talked and marched and are just sick of all this shit. It's utterly harrowing to see all this finally happening now. And it's STILL the same old 'But you MUST keep calling the elected and popular party Hamas (for Gaza) 'terrorists' after every single pro-Palestinian point that we graciously let you make!!! And then what? You still get called a bloody anti Semite.
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"The U.S. is negotiating a normalization agreement between Israel and Saudi Arabia. The deal would be a significant shift in Middle East geopolitics. The deal would establish warm relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel for the first time. The idea is that all Arab nations will become allies with Israel, bringing peace to the region. The U.S. is actively negotiating the details of the deal. Both countries' leaders appear to want normalization. The deal could carry major implications for other actors beyond the three negotiating parties. Critics argue it could come at too high a price for not enough gain. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced at the UN that Israel is on the cusp of a “dramatic breakthrough”. He described the 2020 normalization accords between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain as a precursor. Hmm it's Israelis fault for wanting peace to some people. Fact. " . You do realise that Saudi Arabia (friends with both the UK and the USA anyway) is a hugely corrupt state? It's not exactly been Israel's biggest enemy (Israel obviously has no real Islamic friends because of the Palestinian issue). You should really cite when you quote loads of text btw, especially if you want to affirm it with the word 'Fact'! Though how you think such a quote literally 'proves' Israel's desire for peace is beyond me. Israel has never stopped claiming it's doing all it can for 'peace'. But what actually is peace? Endless war? They won't give the Palestinians anything, let along ever willingly relinquish all the territory they have taken. I's a sick joke. These people are literally fighting over the same land. Can there be a One State solution? No, because Israel's constitution sadly doesn't work like that. It's always been an Apartheid state. It's a fucking tragedy. pt | |||
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"The U.S. is negotiating a normalization agreement between Israel and Saudi Arabia. The deal would be a significant shift in Middle East geopolitics. The deal would establish warm relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel for the first time. The idea is that all Arab nations will become allies with Israel, bringing peace to the region. The U.S. is actively negotiating the details of the deal. Both countries' leaders appear to want normalization. The deal could carry major implications for other actors beyond the three negotiating parties. Critics argue it could come at too high a price for not enough gain. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced at the UN that Israel is on the cusp of a “dramatic breakthrough”. He described the 2020 normalization accords between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain as a precursor. Hmm it's Israelis fault for wanting peace to some people. Fact. . You do realise that Saudi Arabia (friends with both the UK and the USA anyway) is a hugely corrupt state? It's not exactly been Israel's biggest enemy (Israel obviously has no real Islamic friends because of the Palestinian issue). You should really cite when you quote loads of text btw, especially if you want to affirm it with the word 'Fact'! Though how you think such a quote literally 'proves' Israel's desire for peace is beyond me. Israel has never stopped claiming it's doing all it can for 'peace'. But what actually is peace? Endless war? They won't give the Palestinians anything, let along ever willingly relinquish all the territory they have taken. I's a sick joke. These people are literally fighting over the same land. Can there be a One State solution? No, because Israel's constitution sadly doesn't work like that. It's always been an Apartheid state. It's a fucking tragedy. pt " who rejected statehood again multiple times? It wasn't Israel now was it. | |||
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"I find it truly astonishing that anyone would think the Israelis would intentionally target a hospital - they would be in no doubt of the far reaching outcry that would and has been seen from other Arab nations. Considering modern missiles have such a precise and small hit radius, why would the Israelis target the centre of the garden, they could have destroyed the entire building like those seen in recent news bulletins in the past week. If Arab nations can't see that then this sounds like another plan caried out under the instruction of the Hamas backers, ie those who said there would be preemptive strikes only this morning." Mis-information has always been an aspect of war. Consider this, Hamas goes to the site of a genuine Israelis bomb strike on the Hamas HQ. There they pick up all the bomb framents they can find. They put them in a barrel of explosive and drive to a UN hospital. There they blow it up and point to all the Isralis bomb fragments to prove it was them. Israel knows it will rapidly lose the support if the USA etc if it blows up hospitals. So do Hamas. In who's best interest is a hospital bombing? | |||
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"For God's sake, Israel has always bombed Palestinian infrastructure, including hospitals! When it can't deny doing it it usually says it's either in error or Hamas are hiding behind people in them (and other such buildings, like schools). People are talking as if all this has started happening in the past few days! pt" and Hamas Hezbollah and isis have been firing rockets at Israel. Iranian supplied your point is? | |||
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"The U.S. is negotiating a normalization agreement between Israel and Saudi Arabia. The deal would be a significant shift in Middle East geopolitics. The deal would establish warm relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel for the first time. The idea is that all Arab nations will become allies with Israel, bringing peace to the region. The U.S. is actively negotiating the details of the deal. Both countries' leaders appear to want normalization. The deal could carry major implications for other actors beyond the three negotiating parties. Critics argue it could come at too high a price for not enough gain. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced at the UN that Israel is on the cusp of a “dramatic breakthrough”. He described the 2020 normalization accords between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain as a precursor. Hmm it's Israelis fault for wanting peace to some people. Fact. . You do realise that Saudi Arabia (friends with both the UK and the USA anyway) is a hugely corrupt state? It's not exactly been Israel's biggest enemy (Israel obviously has no real Islamic friends because of the Palestinian issue). You should really cite when you quote loads of text btw, especially if you want to affirm it with the word 'Fact'! Though how you think such a quote literally 'proves' Israel's desire for peace is beyond me. Israel has never stopped claiming it's doing all it can for 'peace'. But what actually is peace? Endless war? They won't give the Palestinians anything, let along ever willingly relinquish all the territory they have taken. I's a sick joke. These people are literally fighting over the same land. Can there be a One State solution? No, because Israel's constitution sadly doesn't work like that. It's always been an Apartheid state. It's a fucking tragedy. pt who rejected statehood again multiple times? It wasn't Israel now was it." . Are you talking about since (literally) 1947? You can't talk about a people this way. Only a small amount of Palestinians (around 10%) can handle a 1 state solution today - so any 2 state solution has to be secure for them. You can't talk about 75 years in a place like this. What has Netanyahu done? Arafat did all he could. Hamas haven't always been in power, they are in power in disconnected and blockaded Gaza, not in the larger West Bank. Israel (however you define it) is a deeply divided country. Any deal for the Palestinians - and Israel have scuppered many - has to be fair and secure for all of them obviously! Israel just put things to the international table (always effectively under duress at big events with US presidents present) that they know the Palestinians can't accept. Why not look at it as Israel accepting what Palestinians want? They want to be reconnected within the boundaries of their historic Palestine, Israel simply do not want that. They won't release their st*len lands. It's just amazing to me that you could even think that a people living in such misery would turn down something out of - what? Hate? It just doesn't make sense. Palestinians are terrified of the Israeli state - they have never ever been treated fairly by them. pt | |||
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"For God's sake, Israel has always bombed Palestinian infrastructure, including hospitals! When it can't deny doing it it usually says it's either in error or Hamas are hiding behind people in them (and other such buildings, like schools). People are talking as if all this has started happening in the past few days! ptand Hamas Hezbollah and isis have been firing rockets at Israel. Iranian supplied your point is? " I was responding to the people saying that why would Israel do such a horrible thing as bomb a hospital!! I'm merely saying that they've done such a horrible thing many times before. Most of the bombs hitting Israel have been home made rockets made my disparate groups in Gaza who are desperate for attention. They make everyone wince, but that's life. Every time one happens, Israel go in with their stormtroopers, capture people who never get tried, and innocent Palestinians, including children, ALWAYS die. Vastly more Palestinians than Israelis have died in this long long conflict. pt | |||
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"Camp David summit and numerous other attempts by Israel or did you forget that. Palestine rejected every attempt at peace." The infamous camp David, where it was agreed Israel would create a wall, but that wall is not an international border… So you basically penned people in without giving them a state You’re very good at deflecting Blu by talking about geo politics. You in other threads have called for people to condemn Hamas however are you willing to condem the strike on a hospital? | |||
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"For God's sake, Israel has always bombed Palestinian infrastructure, including hospitals! When it can't deny doing it it usually says it's either in error or Hamas are hiding behind people in them (and other such buildings, like schools). People are talking as if all this has started happening in the past few days! ptand Hamas Hezbollah and isis have been firing rockets at Israel. Iranian supplied your point is? I was responding to the people saying that why would Israel do such a horrible thing as bomb a hospital!! I'm merely saying that they've done such a horrible thing many times before. Most of the bombs hitting Israel have been home made rockets made my disparate groups in Gaza who are desperate for attention. They make everyone wince, but that's life. Every time one happens, Israel go in with their stormtroopers, capture people who never get tried, and innocent Palestinians, including children, ALWAYS die. Vastly more Palestinians than Israelis have died in this long long conflict. pt" So far Israel have managed to take out mosques, schools run by the UN, ambulances run by the Red Cross, kill journalists on the border in Lebanon So why do we think a hospital is beneath them…. And yet they always deny it’s them….. Remember these are the people that have also been bombing the rafah crossing for the last couple of days….. | |||
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" Why are you so obsessed by the Israeli Governement being right wing? You write it in just about every post
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It's actually currently Far Right (from being Hard Right!) and is recognised as such.
Do you not understand politics?
It's not even just on the political Right!
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Oh it's you who likes to feel superior
I asked why that particular poster was obsessed by the Israeli Government being Right wing, I didn't say they were right wing.
Do learn to read
I can't see any sensible difference in those two things! (ie it being it or someone being obsessed with it being it in this instance!)
Israeli politics is literally what ALL of this is about!
In 1947 the world actually expected if not fully hoped Israel would be a Left-leaning country. Understatement of the post-war years: It is not.
And do you really think that I make my posts to 'feel superior'?
Or is all of this just about taking sillypops and am I just wasting my time. Yes I am, of course I am.
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Only Israeli politics, not Hamas politics too?
And you had the cheek to ask me if I understood politics?
You were trying to engage there until your last paragraph the superiority complex is real
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Israel are the most per-capita armed country in the world, given billions every year by the US as its strategical outpost for several decades.
It was given land all its initial land.
It has taken all the rest of its land, and it uses any type of excuse to expand and move Palestinians away.
It controls the Gaza strip.
It is *ALL* about them!
And they've always scuppered every One or Two state solution on the cards, because they have been waiting for the war that ends the wars. The one were they get keep Golan, parts of Lebanon and most of the rest if not all and more. They actually talk about Palestinians like they are the nomadic Bedouin they've always pushed around. They've got away with so much over so many years why would they not think like this? The Palestinians (and others in the world) know this, and terrifyingly this could be the big War than settles it all.
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You're doing nothing but showing yourself up. This is not *ALL* about any one particular side. You'll never see the truth until you're able to accept that.
I find that almost impossibly trite. This is nothing like "six of one and half a dozen of the other"! Nothing at all! And it's been going on all my life. Show some respect for people who have marched and talked and talked and marched and are just sick of all this shit. It's utterly harrowing to see all this finally happening now. And it's STILL the same old 'But you MUST keep calling the elected and popular party Hamas (for Gaza) 'terrorists' after every single pro-Palestinian point that we graciously let you make!!! And then what? You still get called a bloody anti Semite.
pt"I'm not sure what you're getting at, at no point have I said you must call Hamas terrorists, at no point have I called you anti-semite. I definitely wont show you respect whilst you cling to your superiority complex, nor will I show it if you won't accept that there's 2 sides to every story. | |||
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"Israelis denying it was them that bombed the hospital is still doing the rounds. Can the Hamas rockets do that much damage ? I mean I would not want to be under one but did not think they had the explosive power to do that amount of damage. Israel also managed to hit a UN school today as well.. which apparently killed another 6… they initially denied that one as well It is the amount of destruction that makes me doubt it was a Hamas rocket. I am not suggesting Israel deliberately targeted the hospital but at present not convinced about the Hamas stray rocket theory. Blu does mention that Hamas has powerful rockets and then there is the iron dome thing so will see if any evidence surfaces" Looking at the blast size, the extent of the damage and the casualties it points to a much bigger weapon than anything any of the groups fighting Israel have used .. If as the Israelis claim it was one of a group of missiles fired at them then they will be able to show the impact areas of the others which if true will depending on the location's hit give a comparison.. They initially put up as Fabio said a video to try and fit the narrative with a wrong time stamp.. | |||
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"Live on the news now a spokesperson stating categorically it was not an Israeli missile. Also claiming their investigative work including knowing that Hamas knew it was a Islamic Jihad missile & have communications between Hamas operatives. All within twelve hours from a country who said the initial attack was a surprise. Look guys, you either have the tech to be the most security focussed country in the world or you don’t. You cannot expect the world to believe the attacks of the seventh are a surprise & then tell us you monitor everything anyway when it suits. It doesn’t wash. If it was a Hamas/IJ missile misfire fine & you have recorded evidence but logically that also means Israel likely knew of the initial attack. WHERE ARE THE BODIES......Who has seen either images of the slaughtered OR images of the initial 1500-2000 dead attackers? Where are they all, we see them all the time from other conflicts in the Middle East so what reason is there why we don’t see them in this one? Other questions like why did the IDF take so long to respond on Saturday? They have Apache attack helicopters that could be at Gaza within 30 minutes, they were not there, the airforce could have been there within 10 minutes, they were not there. Why not? S Oh & Americas press release has shown a distinct change of tune, now saying it stands unequivocally for the safety of civilians in conflict & is horrified by the hospital attack. Read that how you like." Yes. I also heard that it was not an israel missile. | |||
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"It's a power play by everyone in the middleast. Hamas knew what the repercussions would be. They want to gain as much sympathy as possible for their actions. Civilian casualties are unavoidable. Fact. The difference is one side is trying to limit the casualties the other doesn't care. I'm not sure killing a bunch of civilians and kids and gained much sympathy for Hamas. " If you changed Hamas for Israel in your quote it would equally right. | |||
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"Camp David summit and numerous other attempts by Israel or did you forget that. Palestine rejected every attempt at peace. The infamous camp David, where it was agreed Israel would create a wall, but that wall is not an international border… So you basically penned people in without giving them a state You’re very good at deflecting Blu by talking about geo politics. You in other threads have called for people to condemn Hamas however are you willing to condem the strike on a hospital?" Seems the Iron dome data is stating otherwise. So why should I condemn Israel? Iron dome can track where the missiles and rockets are fired from. Like I said earlier in this thread. Unless Biden is lying too and ask anyone here I am not a fan of him. But he is telling the truth in my eyes. | |||
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"Biden is going to have to tell old Benny to cut it out, or loose support." Biden is there to represent the interests of Lockheed Martin, RTX, General Dynamics etc. He'll make sure Israel are in a purchasing mood. | |||
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"I’ve seen intercepted audio from hamas saying it was a misfire from Hamas, fired from the cemetery within the hospitals grounds So in short, Hamas were using the hospital grounds to launch rockets, which makes the hospital a target, and when 1 misfired and blew the hospital up they try to blame Israel The US is also claiming it was hamas and their intelligence is world class " oh really world class now where are those weapons of mass destruction again lol | |||
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"Biden is going to have to tell old Benny to cut it out, or loose support. Biden is there to represent the interests of Lockheed Martin, RTX, General Dynamics etc. He'll make sure Israel are in a purchasing mood. " Hahaha and the money making part as well. But I do hope Biden says cut it out and let in aid at least. | |||
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"Camp David summit and numerous other attempts by Israel or did you forget that. Palestine rejected every attempt at peace. The infamous camp David, where it was agreed Israel would create a wall, but that wall is not an international border… So you basically penned people in without giving them a state You’re very good at deflecting Blu by talking about geo politics. You in other threads have called for people to condemn Hamas however are you willing to condem the strike on a hospital? Seems the Iron dome data is stating otherwise. So why should I condemn Israel? Iron dome can track where the missiles and rockets are fired from. Like I said earlier in this thread. Unless Biden is lying too and ask anyone here I am not a fan of him. But he is telling the truth in my eyes.so we have to belive isreal they hit a school yesterday and denied it only to have to admit to it later, we were also led to belive the other side beheaded babies yet no one can verify this but because isreal said it then it gets reported as fact, in my eyes the idf kill children and civillians as much as hamas do You can believe what you want to believe. I am just stating that those missiles are being tracked. Unless Biden is lying that would be fantastic news for me. But it's highly doubtful he is.you belive biden isnt lying pmsl, oh its great to see all the hate you had for him has dissapeared and he only had to side with something you agree with, haha" Why would he lie? Of course I would agree with something as important as this. You don't think Israel is not monitoring the sky's over Palestine in a war footing? Artillery us capable of counter battery fire. So take that radar and apply it to the dome but on a bigger scale. So yes the rockets were being tracked. The dome only works when the rockets are in terminal phase. They can track point of origin. So I guess to some people Biden is lying.That is hilarious. He was presented the data probably and now people don't want to believe him. Why because Facts and data don't matter anymore. Your feelings do and I am the crazy one right? | |||
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"Biden is going to have to tell old Benny to cut it out, or loose support. Biden is there to represent the interests of Lockheed Martin, RTX, General Dynamics etc. He'll make sure Israel are in a purchasing mood. Hahaha and the money making part as well. But I do hope Biden says cut it out and let in aid at least." I hope so too, but I assume his main purpose is to make sure Israel buys more arms. And secondarily to garner support back home. | |||
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"Biden is going to have to tell old Benny to cut it out, or loose support. Biden is there to represent the interests of Lockheed Martin, RTX, General Dynamics etc. He'll make sure Israel are in a purchasing mood. Hahaha and the money making part as well. But I do hope Biden says cut it out and let in aid at least. I hope so too, but I assume his main purpose is to make sure Israel buys more arms. And secondarily to garner support back home. " This, but if we are geo-politicing then this could backfire, as what could happen if the Arab world cut off all the oil, and with America and Europe still at odds with Russia, surely this would end up one way? | |||
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"Camp David summit and numerous other attempts by Israel or did you forget that. Palestine rejected every attempt at peace. The infamous camp David, where it was agreed Israel would create a wall, but that wall is not an international border… So you basically penned people in without giving them a state You’re very good at deflecting Blu by talking about geo politics. You in other threads have called for people to condemn Hamas however are you willing to condem the strike on a hospital? Seems the Iron dome data is stating otherwise. So why should I condemn Israel? Iron dome can track where the missiles and rockets are fired from. Like I said earlier in this thread. Unless Biden is lying too and ask anyone here I am not a fan of him. But he is telling the truth in my eyes.so we have to belive isreal they hit a school yesterday and denied it only to have to admit to it later, we were also led to belive the other side beheaded babies yet no one can verify this but because isreal said it then it gets reported as fact, in my eyes the idf kill children and civillians as much as hamas do You can believe what you want to believe. I am just stating that those missiles are being tracked. Unless Biden is lying that would be fantastic news for me. But it's highly doubtful he is. If you don't believe U.S or Israeli leaders will lie to cover up their own sides dark side. Just look at the wrong doings in Iraq that only came to light because of Wikileaks and whistle-blowers." I'll add there is now a much more powerful tool available to security services to create a different picture, AI. | |||
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"Against hamas war crimes, there was some interesting replies to my answer in the other thread, but it got filded up, so it would be interesting to see what your view about it is." the big snag is how do they defend themselves against an enemy who hides in deep shelters under the ground and hide behind old people women and children,, its a no simple win situation  | |||
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"I know it is petty but it is spelled Israel, not Isreal" People won’t spell it right as they believe that their activities are tracked | |||
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"Camp David summit and numerous other attempts by Israel or did you forget that. Palestine rejected every attempt at peace. The infamous camp David, where it was agreed Israel would create a wall, but that wall is not an international border… So you basically penned people in without giving them a state You’re very good at deflecting Blu by talking about geo politics. You in other threads have called for people to condemn Hamas however are you willing to condem the strike on a hospital? Seems the Iron dome data is stating otherwise. So why should I condemn Israel? Iron dome can track where the missiles and rockets are fired from. Like I said earlier in this thread. Unless Biden is lying too and ask anyone here I am not a fan of him. But he is telling the truth in my eyes.so we have to belive isreal they hit a school yesterday and denied it only to have to admit to it later, we were also led to belive the other side beheaded babies yet no one can verify this but because isreal said it then it gets reported as fact, in my eyes the idf kill children and civillians as much as hamas do You can believe what you want to believe. I am just stating that those missiles are being tracked. Unless Biden is lying that would be fantastic news for me. But it's highly doubtful he is.you belive biden isnt lying pmsl, oh its great to see all the hate you had for him has dissapeared and he only had to side with something you agree with, haha Why would he lie? Of course I would agree with something as important as this. You don't think Israel is not monitoring the sky's over Palestine in a war footing? Artillery us capable of counter battery fire. So take that radar and apply it to the dome but on a bigger scale. So yes the rockets were being tracked. The dome only works when the rockets are in terminal phase. They can track point of origin. So I guess to some people Biden is lying.That is hilarious. He was presented the data probably and now people don't want to believe him. Why because Facts and data don't matter anymore. Your feelings do and I am the crazy one right?again we only have isreal goverment word for it, like i said about beheaded babies absolutley no proof and no one outside of the idf have verefied it so forgive me if i dont belive what the isreali gov say and i defo dont belive anything that comes from the us goverment concearning the middle east, tell me did u ever find wmds? no wmds. Can Israel track incoming rockets and artillery? Yes they can. Can Hamas? Nope. So where is Hamas proof it was Israel? ive not seen any proof from isreal, ive heard isreal say it wasnt them and your retarded president has said it wasnt isreal but actuall proof ive not seen any and anyway as if the isreali goverment would admit it Biden was proof enough. Why should the IDF give away secret information away to their adversaries? The are at war in case you are not aware. I'll trust Biden on his assessment over Hamas." haha u trust someone who cant string a sentence together and has trouble walking ?? ?? ?? | |||
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"I know it is petty but it is spelled Israel, not Isreal" yes your right it is petty because you know exactly what i was talking about | |||
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"I know it is petty but it is spelled Israel, not Isrealyes your right it is petty because you know exactly what i was talking about" But, in not accepting it, it does make me wonder whether you know what you are talking about. | |||
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"I know it is petty but it is spelled Israel, not Isrealyes your right it is petty because you know exactly what i was talking about But, in not accepting it, it does make me wonder whether you know what you are talking about." You may think so, the rest of us couldn't possibly comment | |||
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"Sorry blu i forgot your ex milatary explains a lot though swallowing watever those in authority tell you" now you know what opsec means. | |||
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"Sorry blu i forgot your ex milatary explains a lot though swallowing watever those in authority tell you now you know what opsec means. "nope i dont just know soilders believe watever there told by people higher up the food chain than them, sort of dont think for themselves and believe any old shit there told | |||
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"Israelis denying it was them that bombed the hospital is still doing the rounds. Can the Hamas rockets do that much damage ? I mean I would not want to be under one but did not think they had the explosive power to do that amount of damage. Israel also managed to hit a UN school today as well.. which apparently killed another 6… they initially denied that one as well It is the amount of destruction that makes me doubt it was a Hamas rocket. I am not suggesting Israel deliberately targeted the hospital but at present not convinced about the Hamas stray rocket theory. Blu does mention that Hamas has powerful rockets and then there is the iron dome thing so will see if any evidence surfaces Looking at the blast size, the extent of the damage and the casualties it points to a much bigger weapon than anything any of the groups fighting Israel have used .. If as the Israelis claim it was one of a group of missiles fired at them then they will be able to show the impact areas of the others which if true will depending on the location's hit give a comparison.. They initially put up as Fabio said a video to try and fit the narrative with a wrong time stamp.. " My initial thoughts about the blast size were the same as yours, that it was to big to be a Hamas weapon. However when reading the BBC today it turns out I got that the wrong way around as they say the blast is to small to be an Israeli weapon. They say that if it,was Israeli then the destruction would have been far greater and would have caused a crater. Not sure why a crater but that's what they claim. The also point to the fire and say it is unspent rocket fuel. So many claims both ways it may be best to wait for hard evidence instead of automatically believing one side or the other. Quite surprised Biden has not sat on the fence on this as if it was Israel it would damage him politically | |||
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"Sorry blu i forgot your ex milatary explains a lot though swallowing watever those in authority tell you now you know what opsec means. nope i dont just know soilders believe watever there told by people higher up the food chain than them, sort of dont think for themselves and believe any old shit there told"Kind of like listening to the government on what is best. Your elected officials ect ect ect..seems it applies in civilian life too. How odd. | |||
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"Every single person in here is being played... None of us know the truth, so far I've seen (about the hospital) that it was PIJ, it was IDF, it was 200, it was 500, it was actually a car park etc etc. Not one single confirmation on any detail, yet here we are arguing about it "I wholeheartedly agree, we could be being played by either side but the same can be said about the slaughter. Israel could have big’d it up to allow the consequences we see & Hamas fighters will not deny it because to the fanatics on their side the more the merrier. Personally I’m beginning to think that it was a surprise attack, the babies & hundreds dead at the concert was a lie as were the IDF’s claim of killing thousands of Hamas outside of Gaza. It was likely a limited attack, taking hostages was more the aim & it was a hundred or so Hamas but that’s even more embarrassing for the IDF isn’t it? It’s like those jigsaw puzzles that have no picture. Eventually you find where the various pieces fit & more importantly where they do not & I cannot make the pieces that are shaped: “Biggest attack in Israel’s history” “We know when, where & who fired the missile & have phone/radio transcripts of Hamas saying they knew it wasn’t us” within hours of it happening & “”It was a surprise attack we didn’t see coming” These three together with one of my own “Why has no one been held so far to account for their part in the security failure in “Hundreds of Israeli deaths”. Even more so as the majority were her children. I just cannot bring myself to force these pieces to fit together at all. S | |||
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"Sorry blu i forgot your ex milatary explains a lot though swallowing watever those in authority tell you now you know what opsec means. nope i dont just know soilders believe watever there told by people higher up the food chain than them, sort of dont think for themselves and believe any old shit there told"To an extent the chain of command is how things work but the practise of blind obedience is far from how it used to be in my own time under the crown.. Thinking for oneself but not of oneself, analysis of information in decision making etc was all encouraged and developed.. | |||
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"Israelis denying it was them that bombed the hospital is still doing the rounds. Can the Hamas rockets do that much damage ? I mean I would not want to be under one but did not think they had the explosive power to do that amount of damage. Israel also managed to hit a UN school today as well.. which apparently killed another 6… they initially denied that one as well It is the amount of destruction that makes me doubt it was a Hamas rocket. I am not suggesting Israel deliberately targeted the hospital but at present not convinced about the Hamas stray rocket theory. Blu does mention that Hamas has powerful rockets and then there is the iron dome thing so will see if any evidence surfaces Looking at the blast size, the extent of the damage and the casualties it points to a much bigger weapon than anything any of the groups fighting Israel have used .. If as the Israelis claim it was one of a group of missiles fired at them then they will be able to show the impact areas of the others which if true will depending on the location's hit give a comparison.. They initially put up as Fabio said a video to try and fit the narrative with a wrong time stamp.. My initial thoughts about the blast size were the same as yours, that it was to big to be a Hamas weapon. However when reading the BBC today it turns out I got that the wrong way around as they say the blast is to small to be an Israeli weapon. They say that if it,was Israeli then the destruction would have been far greater and would have caused a crater. Not sure why a crater but that's what they claim. The also point to the fire and say it is unspent rocket fuel. So many claims both ways it may be best to wait for hard evidence instead of automatically believing one side or the other. Quite surprised Biden has not sat on the fence on this as if it was Israel it would damage him politically" It's certainly a fluid situation, find it a bit odd that Biden wasn't fully briefed before landing as his explanation seems to have changed slightly from what he said after Israel told him to later when the pentagon updated it.. I would think the latter have better intel gathering capacity and capabilities than the former .. | |||
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" Why are you so obsessed by the Israeli Governement being right wing? You write it in just about every post
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It's actually currently Far Right (from being Hard Right!) and is recognised as such.
Do you not understand politics?
It's not even just on the political Right!
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Oh it's you who likes to feel superior
I asked why that particular poster was obsessed by the Israeli Government being Right wing, I didn't say they were right wing.
Do learn to read
I can't see any sensible difference in those two things! (ie it being it or someone being obsessed with it being it in this instance!)
Israeli politics is literally what ALL of this is about!
In 1947 the world actually expected if not fully hoped Israel would be a Left-leaning country. Understatement of the post-war years: It is not.
And do you really think that I make my posts to 'feel superior'?
Or is all of this just about taking sillypops and am I just wasting my time. Yes I am, of course I am.
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Only Israeli politics, not Hamas politics too?
And you had the cheek to ask me if I understood politics?
You were trying to engage there until your last paragraph the superiority complex is real
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Israel are the most per-capita armed country in the world, given billions every year by the US as its strategical outpost for several decades.
It was given land all its initial land.
It has taken all the rest of its land, and it uses any type of excuse to expand and move Palestinians away.
It controls the Gaza strip.
It is *ALL* about them!
And they've always scuppered every One or Two state solution on the cards, because they have been waiting for the war that ends the wars. The one were they get keep Golan, parts of Lebanon and most of the rest if not all and more. They actually talk about Palestinians like they are the nomadic Bedouin they've always pushed around. They've got away with so much over so many years why would they not think like this? The Palestinians (and others in the world) know this, and terrifyingly this could be the big War than settles it all.
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You're doing nothing but showing yourself up. This is not *ALL* about any one particular side. You'll never see the truth until you're able to accept that.
I find that almost impossibly trite. This is nothing like "six of one and half a dozen of the other"! Nothing at all! And it's been going on all my life. Show some respect for people who have marched and talked and talked and marched and are just sick of all this shit. It's utterly harrowing to see all this finally happening now. And it's STILL the same old 'But you MUST keep calling the elected and popular party Hamas (for Gaza) 'terrorists' after every single pro-Palestinian point that we graciously let you make!!! And then what? You still get called a bloody anti Semite.
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I'm not sure what you're getting at, at no point have I said you must call Hamas terrorists, at no point have I called you anti-semite.
I definitely wont show you respect whilst you cling to your superiority complex, nor will I show it if you won't accept that there's 2 sides to every story.
". How can you talk about a 'superiority complex' when you have shown as little respect to someone and their arguments as you have? I've already explained how the story has always been so one sided, and how that has to be addressed. Amongst other explanatory factors in regard to my own focus on Palestine. (And I also answer questions in detail when I'm asked them!) It can't be like that way forever though (the one-sided pro-Israeli view of the situation), and things have slowly been changing. In recent years, the public at large are finally starting to see this from a Palestinian perspective. Sadly the more that happens, the stronger will be the lies from the extreme Zionists of this world - and very specifically, the Israeli government. Saying over-and-over again to so many people on the Palestinian side of the debate that they just 'can't accept' that there are '2 sides to every story' is just childish gut-needling imo. It's pretending people are stupid frankly. And it pretends that Palestine gets all the love. And most of all of course, maintaining a perpetual demand for constant crow-bared 'equivalence' and pedantic point-qualification (always so one-way) will help stymie proper detailed debate on the subject. pt | |||
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"Israel’s foreign minister, Eli Cohen, hinted that Israel may annex part of Gaza in a radio interview on Wednesday. Cohen was reported by the Times of Israel as saying: “At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, but the territory of Gaza will also decrease.”" I heard an IDF guy say this a few days back too, trouble is a lot happens in a few days so we really need “When” did he say this? Because I’d put £100 on it not happening now. S | |||
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" Why are you so obsessed by the Israeli Governement being right wing? You write it in just about every post
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It's actually currently Far Right (from being Hard Right!) and is recognised as such.
Do you not understand politics?
It's not even just on the political Right!
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Oh it's you who likes to feel superior
I asked why that particular poster was obsessed by the Israeli Government being Right wing, I didn't say they were right wing.
Do learn to read
I can't see any sensible difference in those two things! (ie it being it or someone being obsessed with it being it in this instance!)
Israeli politics is literally what ALL of this is about!
In 1947 the world actually expected if not fully hoped Israel would be a Left-leaning country. Understatement of the post-war years: It is not.
And do you really think that I make my posts to 'feel superior'?
Or is all of this just about taking sillypops and am I just wasting my time. Yes I am, of course I am.
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Only Israeli politics, not Hamas politics too?
And you had the cheek to ask me if I understood politics?
You were trying to engage there until your last paragraph the superiority complex is real
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Israel are the most per-capita armed country in the world, given billions every year by the US as its strategical outpost for several decades.
It was given land all its initial land.
It has taken all the rest of its land, and it uses any type of excuse to expand and move Palestinians away.
It controls the Gaza strip.
It is *ALL* about them!
And they've always scuppered every One or Two state solution on the cards, because they have been waiting for the war that ends the wars. The one were they get keep Golan, parts of Lebanon and most of the rest if not all and more. They actually talk about Palestinians like they are the nomadic Bedouin they've always pushed around. They've got away with so much over so many years why would they not think like this? The Palestinians (and others in the world) know this, and terrifyingly this could be the big War than settles it all.
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You're doing nothing but showing yourself up. This is not *ALL* about any one particular side. You'll never see the truth until you're able to accept that.
I find that almost impossibly trite. This is nothing like "six of one and half a dozen of the other"! Nothing at all! And it's been going on all my life. Show some respect for people who have marched and talked and talked and marched and are just sick of all this shit. It's utterly harrowing to see all this finally happening now. And it's STILL the same old 'But you MUST keep calling the elected and popular party Hamas (for Gaza) 'terrorists' after every single pro-Palestinian point that we graciously let you make!!! And then what? You still get called a bloody anti Semite.
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I'm not sure what you're getting at, at no point have I said you must call Hamas terrorists, at no point have I called you anti-semite.
I definitely wont show you respect whilst you cling to your superiority complex, nor will I show it if you won't accept that there's 2 sides to every story.
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How can you talk about a 'superiority complex' when you have shown as little respect to someone and their arguments as you have?
I've already explained how the story has always been so one sided, and how that has to be addressed. Amongst other explanatory factors in regard to my own focus on Palestine. (And I also answer questions in detail when I'm asked them!)
It can't be like that way forever though (the one-sided pro-Israeli view of the situation), and things have slowly been changing.
In recent years, the public at large are finally starting to see this from a Palestinian perspective. Sadly the more that happens, the stronger will be the lies from the extreme Zionists of this world - and very specifically, the Israeli government.
Saying over-and-over again to so many people on the Palestinian side of the debate that they just 'can't accept' that there are '2 sides to every story' is just childish gut-needling imo. It's pretending people are stupid frankly. And it pretends that Palestine gets all the love. And most of all of course, maintaining a perpetual demand for constant crow-bared 'equivalence' and pedantic point-qualification (always so one-way) will help stymie proper detailed debate on the subject.
pt"I've already told you I won't show you respect, I don't owe you any. You started in your first reply to me (I wasn't even talking to you) with 'do you not understand?' You did not show me the respect you're now crying for, so you'll get none back buddy. | |||
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"I've already told you I won't show you respect, I don't owe you any. You started in your first reply to me (I wasn't even talking to you) with 'do you not understand?' You did not show me the respect you're now crying for, so you'll get none back buddy." . Don't you think this subject deserves just a little bit more than that level of pettiness? pt | |||
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