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"Well that's that fucked Tax payer money wasted again" The waste was starting it. White elephant | |||
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"I've been banging on about what a waste of money it was for a few years. It's just been lining the pockets of the wealthy involved in the project. I'm not sure but I think I read somewhere that BOJOs dad owned or a major shareholder in the company running the project, strange that "Be great to get a source for that Stanley Johnson claim! | |||
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"I've been banging on about what a waste of money it was for a few years. It's just been lining the pockets of the wealthy involved in the project. I'm not sure but I think I read somewhere that BOJOs dad owned or a major shareholder in the company running the project, strange that
Be great to get a source for that Stanley Johnson claim!"Genuinely can't remember where I read it, very possibly complete bollocks however it wouldn't be a surprise would it? Who greenlighted the whole project anyway right back when it was just an idea? Labour, conservative? Obviously it's provided many jobs over the years but really I think it's just been a waste of fucking money. The money would have been better spent investing in the current rail network to get that working efficiently. I mean in Switzerland for example you can literally set your watch by the train's. It's been a white elephant from start to finish. Not to mention the environmental impact on the countryside. | |||
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"I’ll say something that always get said…. Northern powerhouse, network north…. You’d think the north ends with the tories at the Pennines corridor! No mention of anything extra for the north east… and if they do it’s always only ever the A1" You are spot on as always. All these calls for Manchester to be a northern powerhouse as you said they conveniently forget the rest of the north. Slightly hypocritical me thinks. | |||
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"I've been banging on about what a waste of money it was for a few years. It's just been lining the pockets of the wealthy involved in the project. I'm not sure but I think I read somewhere that BOJOs dad owned or a major shareholder in the company running the project, strange that "I'm amazed by how many contracts they give to delloite and atkins for doing fuck all. | |||
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"I’ll say something that always get said…. Northern powerhouse, network north…. You’d think the north ends with the tories at the Pennines corridor! No mention of anything extra for the north east… and if they do it’s always only ever the A1 You are spot on as always. All these calls for Manchester to be a northern powerhouse as you said they conveniently forget the rest of the north. Slightly hypocritical me thinks." A real northern powerhouse would be a Liverpool to Manchester to Leeds and Sheffield fast link. Fuck london | |||
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"Hmmm chat circulating this morning... The Govt spent billions (of our tax payer funded money) compulsorily purchasing land for HS2 (totally and utterly by amazing coincidence Stanley Johnson managed to buy a piece of land for £1.5m that was precisely on the spot that the then unrevealed route of HS2 would need and sold it for £4m, the luck of some people!) and now they have decided it's not needed. Watch them turn around and flog it on the cheap to construction companies etc (in some cases sister companies of the construction firms who have been handsomely remunerated building HS2). Wonder if those companies will be party donors? Maybe HS2 wasn’t a white elephant but in fact a gravy train?" Yup  | |||
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"Hmmm chat circulating this morning... The Govt spent billions (of our tax payer funded money) compulsorily purchasing land for HS2 (totally and utterly by amazing coincidence Stanley Johnson managed to buy a piece of land for £1.5m that was precisely on the spot that the then unrevealed route of HS2 would need and sold it for £4m, the luck of some people!) and now they have decided it's not needed. Watch them turn around and flog it on the cheap to construction companies etc (in some cases sister companies of the construction firms who have been handsomely remunerated building HS2). Wonder if those companies will be party donors? Maybe HS2 wasn’t a white elephant but in fact a gravy train?" I've seen that chat this morning too. I've also seen that Birmingham-Crewe received RA so it cannot just be cancelled without Parliament approval. And also to stop anyone purchasing, Starmer can just come out and say 'we will reinstate, so your purchase will be a waste of time and money'. The bit about SJ is rumour I think, the weird part is Labour actually came up with HS2 and BJ didn't come to power until 10 years later, how did old Stanley know what to purchase? | |||
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"Hmmm chat circulating this morning... The Govt spent billions (of our tax payer funded money) compulsorily purchasing land for HS2 (totally and utterly by amazing coincidence Stanley Johnson managed to buy a piece of land for £1.5m that was precisely on the spot that the then unrevealed route of HS2 would need and sold it for £4m, the luck of some people!) and now they have decided it's not needed." Land ownership records are publicly available. If there was any truth in this the details would be all over the press. | |||
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"Hmmm chat circulating this morning... The Govt spent billions (of our tax payer funded money) compulsorily purchasing land for HS2 (totally and utterly by amazing coincidence Stanley Johnson managed to buy a piece of land for £1.5m that was precisely on the spot that the then unrevealed route of HS2 would need and sold it for £4m, the luck of some people!) and now they have decided it's not needed. Land ownership records are publicly available. If there was any truth in this the details would be all over the press." | |||
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" You may wish to seek anofher source as this was reported in the express, and usually the only accurate thing there is the date on the masthead https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/843344/HS2-Stanley-Johnson-Boris-Johnson-father-government-scheme-homes Hmmm chat circulating this morning... The Govt spent billions (of our tax payer funded money) compulsorily purchasing land for HS2 (totally and utterly by amazing coincidence Stanley Johnson managed to buy a piece of land for £1.5m that was precisely on the spot that the then unrevealed route of HS2 would need and sold it for £4m, the luck of some people!) and now they have decided it's not needed. Land ownership records are publicly available. If there was any truth in this the details would be all over the press." That was a home that SJ bought in 2007 (before HS2 was a thing). If that's what people are talking about (I doubt it) then it just proves people will look for anything to start rumours and fuck facts. | |||
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"I always thought that this was a bad idea. More of a politicians vanity project than anything else. A bit like Spanish airports a few years ago. I know some of the usual suspects like to bang on about Tory sleaze, maybe there was some or maybe not, but the whole project got itself bogged down in bureaucracy and wokeness from the outset. Prime example: The study/report into the cost/impacts Etc. of tunneling was 6 pages. The study/report into the effects of HS2 on ethnic and other minority groups (what specific effects building a railway line would have on minorities escapes me) ran to 145 pages, cost millions and didn't really pinpoint anything. Just 145 pages of waffle. There are plenty of other examples out there if you look. The job was building a fkn railway line not a social engineering project. " Good point, this colossal waste of money has nothing to do with the government who were supposed to be running this project. And is all the fault of some non-racists.  | |||
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"I always thought that this was a bad idea. More of a politicians vanity project than anything else. A bit like Spanish airports a few years ago. I know some of the usual suspects like to bang on about Tory sleaze, maybe there was some or maybe not, but the whole project got itself bogged down in bureaucracy and wokeness from the outset. Prime example: The study/report into the cost/impacts Etc. of tunneling was 6 pages. The study/report into the effects of HS2 on ethnic and other minority groups (what specific effects building a railway line would have on minorities escapes me) ran to 145 pages, cost millions and didn't really pinpoint anything. Just 145 pages of waffle. There are plenty of other examples out there if you look. The job was building a fkn railway line not a social engineering project. Good point, this colossal waste of money has nothing to do with the government who were supposed to be running this project. And is all the fault of some non-racists. "Then tell me exactly what specific effect a fkn railway line will have any ethnic or other minority that would not have the same effect on the rest of the population? One that needs millions spent on a study that didn't find any. Not blaming non racists at all (race obsessives maybe) there are plenty more factors in this story. Oh! And as you know damn well but always deny "Woke" is about a hell of a lot more than non racist. | |||
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"I always thought that this was a bad idea. More of a politicians vanity project than anything else. A bit like Spanish airports a few years ago. I know some of the usual suspects like to bang on about Tory sleaze, maybe there was some or maybe not, but the whole project got itself bogged down in bureaucracy and wokeness from the outset. Prime example: The study/report into the cost/impacts Etc. of tunneling was 6 pages. The study/report into the effects of HS2 on ethnic and other minority groups (what specific effects building a railway line would have on minorities escapes me) ran to 145 pages, cost millions and didn't really pinpoint anything. Just 145 pages of waffle. There are plenty of other examples out there if you look. The job was building a fkn railway line not a social engineering project. Good point, this colossal waste of money has nothing to do with the government who were supposed to be running this project. And is all the fault of some non-racists.
Then tell me exactly what specific effect a fkn railway line will have any ethnic or other minority that would not have the same effect on the rest of the population? One that needs millions spent on a study that didn't find any.
Not blaming non racists at all (race obsessives maybe) there are plenty more factors in this story.
Oh! And as you know damn well but always deny "Woke" is about a hell of a lot more than non racist."Sure, maybe if you use your own definition for words maybe explain what you mean? Otherwise you can't blame people for assuming you mean the dictionary definition. Otherwise I have no opinion, on your opinions on the opinion of the findings. | |||
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"Oh! And as you know damn well but always deny "Woke" is about a hell of a lot more than non racist." "Sure, maybe if you use your own definition for words maybe explain what you mean? Otherwise you can't blame people for assuming you mean the dictionary definition." As has been pointed out to you several times, 'woke' does not mean 'non-racist'. You won't find a single dictionary that defines it that way. | |||
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"Hmmm chat circulating this morning... The Govt spent billions (of our tax payer funded money) compulsorily purchasing land for HS2 (totally and utterly by amazing coincidence Stanley Johnson managed to buy a piece of land for £1.5m that was precisely on the spot that the then unrevealed route of HS2 would need and sold it for £4m, the luck of some people!) and now they have decided it's not needed. Watch them turn around and flog it on the cheap to construction companies etc (in some cases sister companies of the construction firms who have been handsomely remunerated building HS2). Wonder if those companies will be party donors? Maybe HS2 wasn’t a white elephant but in fact a gravy train?" All this will be publicly available. So you will be able to send links to when it changed hands and for how much | |||
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"Hmmm chat circulating this morning... The Govt spent billions (of our tax payer funded money) compulsorily purchasing land for HS2 (totally and utterly by amazing coincidence Stanley Johnson managed to buy a piece of land for £1.5m that was precisely on the spot that the then unrevealed route of HS2 would need and sold it for £4m, the luck of some people!) and now they have decided it's not needed. Watch them turn around and flog it on the cheap to construction companies etc (in some cases sister companies of the construction firms who have been handsomely remunerated building HS2). Wonder if those companies will be party donors? Maybe HS2 wasn’t a white elephant but in fact a gravy train?" . Your post is bizarre. Are you saying that the valuers and civil servants were incompetent or have you failed to recognise the rise in house prices due to inflation. ? You cannot simply sell your house for any price that you like. There are rigorous procedures which have to be adhered to. Ignoring HS2 house price inflation has been significant over the past ten years . If you believe that valuers and surveyors have engaged in criminal activity maybe report them to the police . Like most people I accept that they were doing their job. | |||
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" You may wish to seek anofher source as this was reported in the express, and usually the only accurate thing there is the date on the masthead https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/843344/HS2-Stanley-Johnson-Boris-Johnson-father-government-scheme-homes Hmmm chat circulating this morning... The Govt spent billions (of our tax payer funded money) compulsorily purchasing land for HS2 (totally and utterly by amazing coincidence Stanley Johnson managed to buy a piece of land for £1.5m that was precisely on the spot that the then unrevealed route of HS2 would need and sold it for £4m, the luck of some people!) and now they have decided it's not needed. Land ownership records are publicly available. If there was any truth in this the details would be all over the press. That was a home that SJ bought in 2007 (before HS2 was a thing). If that's what people are talking about (I doubt it) then it just proves people will look for anything to start rumours and fuck facts. " Its what people were talking about. I hadn't realised Mr Discretion had replied before hand. | |||
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"Hmmm chat circulating this morning... The Govt spent billions (of our tax payer funded money) compulsorily purchasing land for HS2 (totally and utterly by amazing coincidence Stanley Johnson managed to buy a piece of land for £1.5m that was precisely on the spot that the then unrevealed route of HS2 would need and sold it for £4m, the luck of some people!) and now they have decided it's not needed. Watch them turn around and flog it on the cheap to construction companies etc (in some cases sister companies of the construction firms who have been handsomely remunerated building HS2). Wonder if those companies will be party donors? Maybe HS2 wasn’t a white elephant but in fact a gravy train? All this will be publicly available. So you will be able to send links to when it changed hands and for how much" Looks like the chat on the Stanley Johnson house is misleading. Bloody lucky though! The other stuff, I guess time will tell. Seems that plans were already in place though so it will be interesting to see if there is a delta between price paid by govt and amount received when selling. | |||
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"Oh! And as you know damn well but always deny "Woke" is about a hell of a lot more than non racist. Sure, maybe if you use your own definition for words maybe explain what you mean? Otherwise you can't blame people for assuming you mean the dictionary definition. As has been pointed out to you several times, 'woke' does not mean 'non-racist'. You won't find a single dictionary that defines it that way." Yes there is one dictionary that defines Woke as solely non racist. The one in JTN's head. From a more mainstream dictionary (Oxford) adjective. /w??k/ /w??k/ (informal, often disapproving) ?aware of social and political issues, especially racism. Note social and "political" and also "especially" not solely. | |||
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"Oh! And as you know damn well but always deny "Woke" is about a hell of a lot more than non racist. Sure, maybe if you use your own definition for words maybe explain what you mean? Otherwise you can't blame people for assuming you mean the dictionary definition. As has been pointed out to you several times, 'woke' does not mean 'non-racist'. You won't find a single dictionary that defines it that way. Yes there is one dictionary that defines Woke as solely non racist. The one in JTN's head. From a more mainstream dictionary (Oxford) adjective. /w??k/ /w??k/ (informal, often disapproving) ?aware of social and political issues, especially racism. Note social and "political" and also "especially" not solely." Fair enough. What's your beef with people who are aware of social and political issues, especially racism? | |||
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"Oh! And as you know damn well but always deny "Woke" is about a hell of a lot more than non racist. Sure, maybe if you use your own definition for words maybe explain what you mean? Otherwise you can't blame people for assuming you mean the dictionary definition. As has been pointed out to you several times, 'woke' does not mean 'non-racist'. You won't find a single dictionary that defines it that way. Yes there is one dictionary that defines Woke as solely non racist. The one in JTN's head. From a more mainstream dictionary (Oxford) adjective. /w??k/ /w??k/ (informal, often disapproving) ?aware of social and political issues, especially racism. Note social and "political" and also "especially" not solely. Fair enough. What's your beef with people who are aware of social and political issues, especially racism?" Being aware of it is one thing, spending unnecessary millions promoting it is another. It seems some people (present company included) seem to put it square and front of everything they do or say. Then play the racism card at the first hint of criticism. There's a lot more to life than the politics section of a swinger forum you know, you should try it. Try this for therapy. Actually post something on a swinger related thread on here. It could open up a whole new world for you. You see I am a caring person really.  | |||
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"Oh! And as you know damn well but always deny "Woke" is about a hell of a lot more than non racist. Sure, maybe if you use your own definition for words maybe explain what you mean? Otherwise you can't blame people for assuming you mean the dictionary definition. As has been pointed out to you several times, 'woke' does not mean 'non-racist'. You won't find a single dictionary that defines it that way. Yes there is one dictionary that defines Woke as solely non racist. The one in JTN's head. From a more mainstream dictionary (Oxford) adjective. /w??k/ /w??k/ (informal, often disapproving) ?aware of social and political issues, especially racism. Note social and "political" and also "especially" not solely. Fair enough. What's your beef with people who are aware of social and political issues, especially racism? Being aware of it is one thing, spending unnecessary millions promoting it is another. " Ah so it's not "woke" people you have an issue with. It's something else. It's spending money promoting awareness of social injustice, especially racism, that your issue? " It seems some people (present company included) seem to put it square and front of everything they do or say. Then play the racism card at the first hint of criticism. " Has HS2 been accused of racism? " There's a lot more to life than the politics section of a swinger forum you know, you should try it. Try this for therapy. Actually post something on a swinger related thread on here. It could open up a whole new world for you. You see I am a caring person really. "Erm. You also appear to be posting on this section of the forum. But thank you for your words. | |||
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"It wasn't a peice of land either. It was his house he had lived in for 7 years when labour were in charge in 2007. It was put up for £4.2m in 2014 He sold it to the gov in 2016. That is some excellent foresight knowing that the conservatives would get in, his son would become London mayor. They'd start hs2 in 2012 with the lib dems not blocking it. Truly a mystic meg skill " But where's the fun in opinion like that. Far better to put 2 and 2 together and get 5 | |||
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