FabSwingers.com forum: The public should tackle shoplifters as police 'can't be everywhere,'

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

“ Members of the public who spot shoplifters in action should use their power of citizen’s arrest, even if they have to use force, the policing minister has said.”

Thoughts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"“ Members of the public who spot shoplifters in action should use their power of citizen’s arrest, even if they have to use force, the policing minister has said.”

Thoughts?"

Nope.

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By *reenleavesCouple
over a year ago

North Wales

Yeah no. I'm not risking a knife in the face, protecting someone else's insured stock.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That'll end badly and he knows it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If someone is shoplifting and is a ‘proper’ criminal then I’m not stopping them because I’m not risking my life over an insignificant item.

If someone is shoplifting because they’re struggling and need food/clothing, I’m not stopping them because frankly they can get on with it - I’m just glad I’m not that desperate.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Over shoplifting? Nope.

I've been in bad enough situations protecting people, fuck getting into it over an object.

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By *xhib12Man
over a year ago

Blyth

If the owners of shops are happy to tell their staff not to stop shoplifters then that must stand for their customers too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Wimps

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wimps "

There’s no load of bread in the world worth taking a punch over.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Wimps "

I like this

I'm just nit getting involved in something that is none of my business.

If the shopkeeper/staff want to make a citizens arrest (even using force) I will back their right to do that. Just as I'm on the side of Mr Sindo.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"“ Members of the public who spot shoplifters in action should use their power of citizen’s arrest, even if they have to use force, the policing minister has said.”

Thoughts?"

Not for shoplifting.

I wouldn't expect a random person to do my work for me and take a few zoom calls on my behalf.

If it's an assault, or an attack of some kind. I would most likely try to step in depending on the circumstances.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

No because it would be too easy to make a mistake.

And more than probably the person making the arrest will end up with a criminal record and be treated harsher than the shoplifter.

Members of the public are not trained in the correct restraint techniques as seen recently with the shopkeeper in the news.

The criminals know this and do whatever they want.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Citizens arrest? No thanks.

It would just be an excuse for some self appointed warrior of justice to go around restraining little old ladies who accidentally put Jaffa cakes in her tartan shopper rather than her basket, film it and heroically put it on YouTube

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"“ Members of the public who spot shoplifters in action should use their power of citizen’s arrest, even if they have to use force, the policing minister has said.”

Thoughts?"

With so many carrying knives. Indont think so.

Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon. Maybe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve got a radical idea.

Let’s invest in some more police officers. Maybe the prison service as well so it’s actually effective in rehabilitation rather than keeping people locked in a room for 90% of the time.

Maybe we could even ensure that we have some sort of gainful employment or training opportunities for the young, the ex-cons, etc.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"I’ve got a radical idea.

Let’s invest in some more police officers. Maybe the prison service as well so it’s actually effective in rehabilitation rather than keeping people locked in a room for 90% of the time.

Maybe we could even ensure that we have some sort of gainful employment or training opportunities for the young, the ex-cons, etc. "

Less prison time for offenders. OK.

What would they do out of prison?

Do they study? Go to unviersity or school?

Is it free?

Do you think there are no attempts to help them find employment currently?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’ve got a radical idea.

Let’s invest in some more police officers. Maybe the prison service as well so it’s actually effective in rehabilitation rather than keeping people locked in a room for 90% of the time.

Maybe we could even ensure that we have some sort of gainful employment or training opportunities for the young, the ex-cons, etc.

Less prison time for offenders. OK.

What would they do out of prison?

Do they study? Go to unviersity or school?

Is it free?

Do you think there are no attempts to help them find employment currently?"

Did I say less time for offenders, or are you having comprehension issues again?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"I’ve got a radical idea.

Let’s invest in some more police officers. Maybe the prison service as well so it’s actually effective in rehabilitation rather than keeping people locked in a room for 90% of the time.

Maybe we could even ensure that we have some sort of gainful employment or training opportunities for the young, the ex-cons, etc.

Less prison time for offenders. OK.

What would they do out of prison?

Do they study? Go to unviersity or school?

Is it free?

Do you think there are no attempts to help them find employment currently?

Did I say less time for offenders, or are you having comprehension issues again? "

You think they're locked I a room 90% of the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’ve got a radical idea.

Let’s invest in some more police officers. Maybe the prison service as well so it’s actually effective in rehabilitation rather than keeping people locked in a room for 90% of the time.

Maybe we could even ensure that we have some sort of gainful employment or training opportunities for the young, the ex-cons, etc.

Less prison time for offenders. OK.

What would they do out of prison?

Do they study? Go to unviersity or school?

Is it free?

Do you think there are no attempts to help them find employment currently?

Did I say less time for offenders, or are you having comprehension issues again?

You think they're locked I a room 90% of the time.

In some prisons they are, thanks to chronic staffing issues in U.K prisons. This is well documented in recent years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shops don’t even let their staff do it. Why the fuck would I?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"I’ve got a radical idea.

Let’s invest in some more police officers. Maybe the prison service as well so it’s actually effective in rehabilitation rather than keeping people locked in a room for 90% of the time.

Maybe we could even ensure that we have some sort of gainful employment or training opportunities for the young, the ex-cons, etc.

Less prison time for offenders. OK.

What would they do out of prison?

Do they study? Go to unviersity or school?

Is it free?

Do you think there are no attempts to help them find employment currently?

Did I say less time for offenders, or are you having comprehension issues again?

You think they're locked I a room 90% of the time.

In some prisons they are, thanks to chronic staffing issues in U.K prisons. This is well documented in recent years."

So then now typically they aren't locked up in a room 90% of the time as first suggested.

On some occasions during covid is was 2 hour release in 24 hour priods.

We seem to be moving away from the generic Locked up 90% of the ime already.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"“ Members of the public who spot shoplifters in action should use their power of citizen’s arrest, even if they have to use force, the policing minister has said.”

Thoughts?

With so many carrying knives. Indont think so.

Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon. Maybe."

I'd vote for a party that wouldn't enact a law allowing you to stab people you thought might have shoplifted some bogroll.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’ve got a radical idea.

Let’s invest in some more police officers. Maybe the prison service as well so it’s actually effective in rehabilitation rather than keeping people locked in a room for 90% of the time.

Maybe we could even ensure that we have some sort of gainful employment or training opportunities for the young, the ex-cons, etc.

Less prison time for offenders. OK.

What would they do out of prison?

Do they study? Go to unviersity or school?

Is it free?

Do you think there are no attempts to help them find employment currently?

Did I say less time for offenders, or are you having comprehension issues again?

You think they're locked I a room 90% of the time.

In some prisons they are, thanks to chronic staffing issues in U.K prisons. This is well documented in recent years.

So then now typically they aren't locked up in a room 90% of the time as first suggested.

On some occasions during covid is was 2 hour release in 24 hour priods.

We seem to be moving away from the generic Locked up 90% of the ime already.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/prisons-hmp-exeter-bullingdon-forest-bank-wakefield-time-in-cell/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"“ Members of the public who spot shoplifters in action should use their power of citizen’s arrest, even if they have to use force, the policing minister has said.”

Thoughts?

With so many carrying knives. Indont think so.

Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon. Maybe.

I'd vote for a party that wouldn't enact a law allowing you to stab people you thought might have shoplifted some bogroll."

It’s easy to sound tough on t’internet though

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"I’ve got a radical idea.

Let’s invest in some more police officers. Maybe the prison service as well so it’s actually effective in rehabilitation rather than keeping people locked in a room for 90% of the time.

Maybe we could even ensure that we have some sort of gainful employment or training opportunities for the young, the ex-cons, etc.

Less prison time for offenders. OK.

What would they do out of prison?

Do they study? Go to unviersity or school?

Is it free?

Do you think there are no attempts to help them find employment currently?

Did I say less time for offenders, or are you having comprehension issues again?

You think they're locked I a room 90% of the time.

In some prisons they are, thanks to chronic staffing issues in U.K prisons. This is well documented in recent years.

So then now typically they aren't locked up in a room 90% of the time as first suggested.

On some occasions during covid is was 2 hour release in 24 hour priods.

We seem to be moving away from the generic Locked up 90% of the ime already.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/prisons-hmp-exeter-bullingdon-forest-bank-wakefield-time-in-cell/

Oh I've seen and read it.

It doesn't say majority of prisoners spend 90% ofntheirntime in their cell.

This was your claim.

You are taking the report of 1 of the worst prisons and some of those prisoners. And blanket applying it to all prisoners.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Wimps

I like this

I'm just nit getting involved in something that is none of my business.

If the shopkeeper/staff want to make a citizens arrest (even using force) I will back their right to do that. Just as I'm on the side of Mr Sindo. "

True though ennit. Proper wimps

No back bone in this country anymore

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Wimps

I like this

I'm just nit getting involved in something that is none of my business.

If the shopkeeper/staff want to make a citizens arrest (even using force) I will back their right to do that. Just as I'm on the side of Mr Sindo.

True though ennit. Proper wimps

No back bone in this country anymore "

Not everyone. Someone above said he wanted to be able to stab people he thought might have pocketed a marsbar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wimps

I like this

I'm just nit getting involved in something that is none of my business.

If the shopkeeper/staff want to make a citizens arrest (even using force) I will back their right to do that. Just as I'm on the side of Mr Sindo.

True though ennit. Proper wimps

No back bone in this country anymore

Not everyone. Someone above said he wanted to be able to stab people he thought might have pocketed a marsbar."

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Absolute rubbish, where was that said, I can't find it....??

Unless you meant the poster who would welcome a law change that allows a person to properly defend themselves like for like if attacked by an armed person...??

So far, you've quoted 'bogrolls' and 'marsbar'(sic)

You're just making stuff up as the thread progresses.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Wimps

I like this

I'm just nit getting involved in something that is none of my business.

If the shopkeeper/staff want to make a citizens arrest (even using force) I will back their right to do that. Just as I'm on the side of Mr Sindo.

True though ennit. Proper wimps

No back bone in this country anymore

Not everyone. Someone above said he wanted to be able to stab people he thought might have pocketed a marsbar.

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Absolute rubbish, where was that said, I can't find it....??

Unless you meant the poster who would welcome a law change that allows a person to properly defend themselves like for like if attacked by an armed person...??

So far, you've quoted 'bogrolls' and 'marsbar'(sic)

You're just making stuff up as the thread progresses."

You'd do well to ignore him

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

As long as we can give them a few punches and let there heads slam accidentally against the hard concrete and no prosecution I'm up for it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wimps

I like this

I'm just nit getting involved in something that is none of my business.

If the shopkeeper/staff want to make a citizens arrest (even using force) I will back their right to do that. Just as I'm on the side of Mr Sindo.

True though ennit. Proper wimps

No back bone in this country anymore

Not everyone. Someone above said he wanted to be able to stab people he thought might have pocketed a marsbar.

**********************************

Absolute rubbish, where was that said, I can't find it....??

Unless you meant the poster who would welcome a law change that allows a person to properly defend themselves like for like if attacked by an armed person...??

So far, you've quoted 'bogrolls' and 'marsbar'(sic)

You're just making stuff up as the thread progresses.

You'd do well to ignore him

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isn't the whole point of the politics forum to take a sentence, stretch it beyond its limits, amd your own spin, while who heartedly believing that the OP said xyz.

If not, I've been forumming wrong.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Wimps

I like this

I'm just nit getting involved in something that is none of my business.

If the shopkeeper/staff want to make a citizens arrest (even using force) I will back their right to do that. Just as I'm on the side of Mr Sindo.

True though ennit. Proper wimps

No back bone in this country anymore

Not everyone. Someone above said he wanted to be able to stab people he thought might have pocketed a marsbar.

**********************************

Absolute rubbish, where was that said, I can't find it....??

Unless you meant the poster who would welcome a law change that allows a person to properly defend themselves like for like if attacked by an armed person...??

So far, you've quoted 'bogrolls' and 'marsbar'(sic)

You're just making stuff up as the thread progresses.

You'd do well to ignore him

isn't the whole point of the politics forum to take a sentence, stretch it beyond its limits, amd your own spin, while who heartedly believing that the OP said xyz.

If not, I've been forumming wrong. "

Of course but that poster is relatively new in this section, don't wanna scare him off too soon

You know what, I really should try to take my own advice at times

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"As long as we can give them a few punches and let there heads slam accidentally against the hard concrete and no prosecution I'm up for it "

You've already been outdone by the guy who wants to stab suspected shop lifters.

Maybe you two could start a campaign to change the law?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Try and shoplift when I’m around. Proper hard. My fury knows no gender race or creed. Anyone can get it

Actually, thinking about it, I’m only stopping white shoplifters. We don’t need another Peckham incident

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do the shoplifters get to gighy back without prosecution too ?

I'm up for watching some no holds barred MMA sponsored by M&S.

I would say that if the person is then found not to be shoplifting, then they can press charges. But not the other way round.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Wimps

I like this

I'm just nit getting involved in something that is none of my business.

If the shopkeeper/staff want to make a citizens arrest (even using force) I will back their right to do that. Just as I'm on the side of Mr Sindo.

True though ennit. Proper wimps

No back bone in this country anymore

Not everyone. Someone above said he wanted to be able to stab people he thought might have pocketed a marsbar.

**********************************

Absolute rubbish, where was that said, I can't find it....??

Unless you meant the poster who would welcome a law change that allows a person to properly defend themselves like for like if attacked by an armed person...??

So far, you've quoted 'bogrolls' and 'marsbar'(sic)

You're just making stuff up as the thread progresses."

Fucking shoplifters! Run them over with mobility scooters right Eva

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By *ostindreamsMan
over a year ago

London

If it is about protecting individuals from safety, I will do my best. But shoplifting? I empathise with the business owners. But it's up to them now to build better security in their buildings.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

If we are going to put a cost of product being taken as a benchmark for arrest, we know we’ve lost all sense of right and wrong…

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"If we are going to put a cost of product being taken as a benchmark for arrest, we know we’ve lost all sense of right and wrong… "

I would suggest that wanting to stab people suspended or shoplifting (as suggested by someone above), is a bigger indicator that we've lost all sense of right and wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wimps

I like this

I'm just nit getting involved in something that is none of my business.

If the shopkeeper/staff want to make a citizens arrest (even using force) I will back their right to do that. Just as I'm on the side of Mr Sindo.

True though ennit. Proper wimps

No back bone in this country anymore

Not everyone. Someone above said he wanted to be able to stab people he thought might have pocketed a marsbar.

**********************************

Absolute rubbish, where was that said, I can't find it....??

Unless you meant the poster who would welcome a law change that allows a person to properly defend themselves like for like if attacked by an armed person...??

So far, you've quoted 'bogrolls' and 'marsbar'(sic)

You're just making stuff up as the thread progresses.

Fucking shoplifters! Run them over with mobility scooters right Eva

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Your 'bait' just ain't cutting it, dear.

Tip..... try mixing in a little intellect....!?!

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By *enSiskoMan
over a year ago

Cestus 3

Chech this out,

last week I was driving down the road early evening and saw a guy lying in the road struggling to get up.

I pulled over and helped him to his feet he was covered in cuts I asked if a car had hit him, was he ok.

his reply fu2k off just fu3k off, I looked at him got in my car and went home, so for shop staff to help against shoplifting nah carry on I say.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Wimps

I like this

I'm just nit getting involved in something that is none of my business.

If the shopkeeper/staff want to make a citizens arrest (even using force) I will back their right to do that. Just as I'm on the side of Mr Sindo.

True though ennit. Proper wimps

No back bone in this country anymore

Not everyone. Someone above said he wanted to be able to stab people he thought might have pocketed a marsbar.

**********************************

Absolute rubbish, where was that said, I can't find it....??

Unless you meant the poster who would welcome a law change that allows a person to properly defend themselves like for like if attacked by an armed person...??

So far, you've quoted 'bogrolls' and 'marsbar'(sic)

You're just making stuff up as the thread progresses.

Fucking shoplifters! Run them over with mobility scooters right Eva

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Your 'bait' just ain't cutting it, dear.

Tip..... try mixing in a little intellect....!?!

Whatcha talking about Willis?

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By *melie LALWoman
over a year ago

Peterborough

"“ Members of the public who spot shoplifters in action should use their power of citizen’s arrest, even if they have to use force, the policing minister has said.”

Thoughts?"

Not on your nelly would I use force on another.

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By *melie LALWoman
over a year ago

Peterborough

"I’ve got a radical idea.

Let’s invest in some more police officers. Maybe the prison service as well so it’s actually effective in rehabilitation rather than keeping people locked in a room for 90% of the time.

Maybe we could even ensure that we have some sort of gainful employment or training opportunities for the young, the ex-cons, etc.

Less prison time for offenders. OK.

What would they do out of prison?

Do they study? Go to unviersity or school?

Is it free?

Do you think there are no attempts to help them find employment currently?

Did I say less time for offenders, or are you having comprehension issues again?

You think they're locked I a room 90% of the time.

In some prisons they are, thanks to chronic staffing issues in U.K prisons. This is well documented in recent years."

It was highlighted as a news article before the BBC news in the last couple of days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wimps

I like this

I'm just nit getting involved in something that is none of my business.

If the shopkeeper/staff want to make a citizens arrest (even using force) I will back their right to do that. Just as I'm on the side of Mr Sindo.

True though ennit. Proper wimps

No back bone in this country anymore "

This is how vigilantism starts.

If you believe in the law then the law must be followed

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"If we are going to put a cost of product being taken as a benchmark for arrest, we know we’ve lost all sense of right and wrong…

I would suggest that wanting to stab people suspended or shoplifting (as suggested by someone above), is a bigger indicator that we've lost all sense of right and wrong. "

I think you think that is reasonable response, but you've mixed self defence from a previous poster and a change in prosecution based on the price of items taken. Neither are associated... if you had something taken from you that was worth less than £X, but had huge sentimental value to you, would you be okay with no action being taken against the person who took it from you??

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"If we are going to put a cost of product being taken as a benchmark for arrest, we know we’ve lost all sense of right and wrong…

I would suggest that wanting to stab people suspended or shoplifting (as suggested by someone above), is a bigger indicator that we've lost all sense of right and wrong.

I didn't mention the price of the goods. You seem to be confusing my posts with someone else's a lot today.

Not like you, you're usually on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not all shopkeepers involve the police. Some will lock their doors and meet out their own justice.

You need to be tough to run a shop in the schemes. Usually the locals know mot to mess with those owners. But sometimes a stray shop lifter gets caught.

Shop near me run by 2 ladies. They caught a shoplifter and beat the shit out him. He went to the police and they refused to believe these 2 petite women could do this.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"If we are going to put a cost of product being taken as a benchmark for arrest, we know we’ve lost all sense of right and wrong…

I would suggest that wanting to stab people suspended or shoplifting (as suggested by someone above), is a bigger indicator that we've lost all sense of right and wrong.

Yes they seem to have misunderstood. Self defense vs carrying a concealed weapon

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"If we are going to put a cost of product being taken as a benchmark for arrest, we know we’ve lost all sense of right and wrong…

I would suggest that wanting to stab people suspended or shoplifting (as suggested by someone above), is a bigger indicator that we've lost all sense of right and wrong.

Yes they seem to have misunderstood. Self defense vs carrying a concealed weapon"

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

Seems pretty clear that you want to be able to attack suspected shoplifters with either a knife of "another weapon".

Maybe you could clarify your earlier statement if this isn't the case?

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"If we are going to put a cost of product being taken as a benchmark for arrest, we know we’ve lost all sense of right and wrong…

I would suggest that wanting to stab people suspended or shoplifting (as suggested by someone above), is a bigger indicator that we've lost all sense of right and wrong.

Yes they seem to have misunderstood. Self defense vs carrying a concealed weapon

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

Seems pretty clear that you want to be able to attack suspected shoplifters with either a knife of "another weapon".

Maybe you could clarify your earlier statement if this isn't the case?"

You're the only person trying to use this statement as some sort of extremity. That in itself should tell you the answer.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"If we are going to put a cost of product being taken as a benchmark for arrest, we know we’ve lost all sense of right and wrong…

I would suggest that wanting to stab people suspended or shoplifting (as suggested by someone above), is a bigger indicator that we've lost all sense of right and wrong.

Yes they seem to have misunderstood. Self defense vs carrying a concealed weapon

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

Seems pretty clear that you want to be able to attack suspected shoplifters with either a knife of "another weapon".

Maybe you could clarify your earlier statement if this isn't the case?"

Yes I can clarify.

If they produce a knife.

If I disarm them. I can use that knife.

Or for example. I can grab something and hit then with it. E.g if I'm walking past and I have my cricket back walking back from cricket I could use that if I tried to stop then and the brandished a knife

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

I didn't really think it needed clarifying. But there you go

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"“ Members of the public who spot shoplifters in action should use their power of citizen’s arrest, even if they have to use force, the policing minister has said.”

Thoughts?"

This is a wind up isn't it?

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

""Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

Seems pretty clear that you want to be able to attack suspected shoplifters with either a knife of "another weapon"."

He did start with "if they have a knife". It seems pretty clear to me that he wants to be able to respond in kind without repercussions.

The fact is, he already has that right. It's just sensationalist stories in the more disreputable papers that make him think otherwise.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

""Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

Seems pretty clear that you want to be able to attack suspected shoplifters with either a knife of "another weapon".

He did start with "if they have a knife". It seems pretty clear to me that he wants to be able to respond in kind without repercussions.

The fact is, he already has that right. It's just sensationalist stories in the more disreputable papers that make him think otherwise."

No you can only use certain force. Not use that person knife against them to debilitate them .

Each case is seen on a merit by merit

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

The CPS spent 1 year trying to get me into court. Until they finally dropped the case because their interpretation of the law was I was in the wrong for fighting back and stopping them turning my friend into a vegetable by hitting him over and over again.

I have personal experience of this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No .shop staff are told not to tackle them. think the minimum amount now before ringing police is £175 .under 16s have to agree to go in the shop office and can only be held for 1 hour . These people know this and are playing a very good game which we are all paying for

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

""Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

Seems pretty clear that you want to be able to attack suspected shoplifters with either a knife of "another weapon".

He did start with "if they have a knife". It seems pretty clear to me that he wants to be able to respond in kind without repercussions.

The fact is, he already has that right. It's just sensationalist stories in the more disreputable papers that make him think otherwise."

How would this be written into law?

"It is legal to assault suspected shoplifters with a cricket bat should you happen to be on your way back to cricket practice"?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

""Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

Seems pretty clear that you want to be able to attack suspected shoplifters with either a knife of "another weapon".

He did start with "if they have a knife". It seems pretty clear to me that he wants to be able to respond in kind without repercussions.

The fact is, he already has that right. It's just sensationalist stories in the more disreputable papers that make him think otherwise.

How would this be written into law?

"It is legal to assault suspected shoplifters with a cricket bat should you happen to be on your way back to cricket practice"?"

*From

Being allowed to assault people with a cricket bat on your way "to" practice, would be ridiculous.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?"

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords. "

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here."

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"“ Members of the public who spot shoplifters in action should use their power of citizen’s arrest, even if they have to use force, the policing minister has said.”

Thoughts?"

Could be easily done yes but when you have intentionally forced such people to resort to such tactics…

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch."

Think of the compo from the cica.

I wonder if the youth are puncturing each other for a claim. Just a thought.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

Call the taliban, they recently cut off the hands of four men convicted of theft.

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By *arleyfatboy2019Couple
over a year ago

Devon

I would advise no one to do this . Two things I can think of . Reasonable force to detain someone. How are you going to prove it was reasonable. You can’t. You’re then liable to be detained for an assault. Secondly. The weapon issue. Never worth it . Stay away.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this"

You have personal experience of breaking the bones in two people in self-defence, and then not being prosecuted for it.

I rest my case.

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By *oversfunCouple
over a year ago

ayrshire

Is that not why we have a police force

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By *adMerWoman
over a year ago

Sandwich

"“ Members of the public who spot shoplifters in action should use their power of citizen’s arrest, even if they have to use force, the policing minister has said.”

Thoughts?"

The police can’t be everywhere. They can’t even solve murders and missing person cases. Ra*e etc. Should we be doing their job for them?

Plus retailers factor the cost of shoplifting into their prices and it’s more cost effective than having a counter service apparently.

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

"As long as we can give them a few punches and let there heads slam accidentally against the hard concrete and no prosecution I'm up for it

You've already been outdone by the guy who wants to stab suspected shop lifters.

Maybe you two could start a campaign to change the law?"
nah stabbing not for me unless slitting there throats was accepted

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"As long as we can give them a few punches and let there heads slam accidentally against the hard concrete and no prosecution I'm up for it

You've already been outdone by the guy who wants to stab suspected shop lifters.

Maybe you two could start a campaign to change the law?nah stabbing not for me unless slitting there throats was accepted "

I'm sure a law could be drafted that allows you two to stab suspected shoplifters in the throat. Not sure it'll be that popular though.

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

"As long as we can give them a few punches and let there heads slam accidentally against the hard concrete and no prosecution I'm up for it

You've already been outdone by the guy who wants to stab suspected shop lifters.

Maybe you two could start a campaign to change the law?nah stabbing not for me unless slitting there throats was accepted

I'm sure a law could be drafted that allows you two to stab suspected shoplifters in the throat. Not sure it'll be that popular though."
you would be surprised also I've never said about suspected but who cares

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"As long as we can give them a few punches and let there heads slam accidentally against the hard concrete and no prosecution I'm up for it

You've already been outdone by the guy who wants to stab suspected shop lifters.

Maybe you two could start a campaign to change the law?nah stabbing not for me unless slitting there throats was accepted

I'm sure a law could be drafted that allows you two to stab suspected shoplifters in the throat. Not sure it'll be that popular though. you would be surprised also I've never said about suspected but who cares "

Stabbed in the neck until proven guilty?

Or are you going to wait outside court until they're convicted?

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By *hropshireGentMan
over a year ago

SY8 Today

I’ve noticed in recent weeks that a lot of shops have now started putting security tags on steak, washing powder and other day to day items.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

In a Sainsburys Local I was at recently, they had security tags on butter and cheese. It does seem that things have suddenly got dramatically worse.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think this is an interesting addition

“ Shop owner filmed 'strangling' customer 'now in hiding with kids living off bread'

Sohail Sindho, a shop keeper from south London who was filmed with his hands around the throat of a customer during a row, claims he has been forced to go into hiding”

So we should stop shoplifters, but we should also face the wrath of an angry racist mob and be forced into hiding for our own safety?

No thanks

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?"
Why would you suspect her of shoplifting?

Unless she walks out with it without paying?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

""Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

Seems pretty clear that you want to be able to attack suspected shoplifters with either a knife of "another weapon".

He did start with "if they have a knife". It seems pretty clear to me that he wants to be able to respond in kind without repercussions.

The fact is, he already has that right. It's just sensationalist stories in the more disreputable papers that make him think otherwise.

How would this be written into law?

"It is legal to assault suspected shoplifters with a cricket bat should you happen to be on your way back to cricket practice"?

*From

Being allowed to assault people with a cricket bat on your way "to" practice, would be ridiculous. "

You would write it into law that should any one producing a deadly weapon was the risk risk of some one using everything in their power to stay alive

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch."

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

You have personal experience of breaking the bones in two people in self-defence, and then not being prosecuted for it.

I rest my case."

But you don't.

This backs up my point. The law still can come after you and does.

The cps dropped the case because they were forced to. There are people guilty and in prison now who weren't so lucky. Because they didn't use "reasonable"force. According to a Jury of their peers and because the cps pushed it.

Im sorry Mr Discretion but my example absolutely backs up my point had I not known a solicitor through a family members I'd have been in a lot of trouble inwouldnt have been able to afford better representation than the om call that night.

What i wrote. absolutely defends my position that you are still absolutely vulnerable to prosecution. Which you shouldn't be

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?Why would you suspect her of shoplifting?

I don't. This is you and the other chaps scenario.

Unless she walks out with it without paying?"

How do you know she hasn't paid? Should she be stabbed in the neck and smashed up with a cricket bat before, or after you check for a receipt?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

""Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

Seems pretty clear that you want to be able to attack suspected shoplifters with either a knife of "another weapon".

He did start with "if they have a knife". It seems pretty clear to me that he wants to be able to respond in kind without repercussions.

The fact is, he already has that right. It's just sensationalist stories in the more disreputable papers that make him think otherwise.

How would this be written into law?

"It is legal to assault suspected shoplifters with a cricket bat should you happen to be on your way back to cricket practice"?

*From

Being allowed to assault people with a cricket bat on your way "to" practice, would be ridiculous.

You would write it into law that should any one producing a deadly weapon was the risk risk of some one using everything in their power to stay alive "

Not sure what this has got to do with wanting to stab suspected shoplifters.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?Why would you suspect her of shoplifting?

I don't. This is you and the other chaps scenario.

Unless she walks out with it without paying?

How do you know she hasn't paid? Should she be stabbed in the neck and smashed up with a cricket bat before, or after you check for a receipt?"

This isn't my scenario

This is yours.

My scenarion would be her shoplifting the knife.

Thus breaking the law then when confronted using it as a weapon. E.g holding it in her hand by the handle and attempting to stab.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter."

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

""Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

Seems pretty clear that you want to be able to attack suspected shoplifters with either a knife of "another weapon".

He did start with "if they have a knife". It seems pretty clear to me that he wants to be able to respond in kind without repercussions.

The fact is, he already has that right. It's just sensationalist stories in the more disreputable papers that make him think otherwise.

How would this be written into law?

"It is legal to assault suspected shoplifters with a cricket bat should you happen to be on your way back to cricket practice"?

*From

Being allowed to assault people with a cricket bat on your way "to" practice, would be ridiculous.

You would write it into law that should any one producing a deadly weapon was the risk risk of some one using everything in their power to stay alive

Not sure what this has got to do with wanting to stab suspected shoplifters. "

Again your own made up scenario

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?"

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?Why would you suspect her of shoplifting?

I don't. This is you and the other chaps scenario.

Unless she walks out with it without paying?

How do you know she hasn't paid? Should she be stabbed in the neck and smashed up with a cricket bat before, or after you check for a receipt?

This isn't my scenario

This is yours.

My scenarion would be her shoplifting the knife.

Thus breaking the law then when confronted using it as a weapon. E.g holding it in her hand by the handle and attempting to stab."

It's not mine, you and the other chap brought up wanting to stab and attack suspected shoplifters. I was merely asking some clarification questions.

So to be clear. Someone walks out of a shop with a knife. You think they may have stollen it, and you want to be able to stab that person before they have been convicted of shoplifting? But isn't that person entitled to defend themselves from your attack with a weapon?

And final question, how would you suggest this is worded in law, because it has to be very specific and not in any way ambiguous.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes."

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?Why would you suspect her of shoplifting?

I don't. This is you and the other chaps scenario.

Unless she walks out with it without paying?

How do you know she hasn't paid? Should she be stabbed in the neck and smashed up with a cricket bat before, or after you check for a receipt?

This isn't my scenario

This is yours.

My scenarion would be her shoplifting the knife.

Thus breaking the law then when confronted using it as a weapon. E.g holding it in her hand by the handle and attempting to stab.

It's not mine, you and the other chap brought up wanting to stab and attack suspected shoplifters. I was merely asking some clarification questions.

And final question, how would you suggest this is worded in law, because it has to be very specific and not in any way ambiguous. "

Again I have given the scenario.

St not point did I ever many attacking a shoplifter with deadly force.

I mentioned attacking a person using a deadly weapon with intent.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?"

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

As always you get backed into a corner and just become boring an facetious.

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over a year ago

Thats great what next. karen

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

As always you get backed into a corner and just become boring an facetious."

In this scenario, are you backing me into a corner with a knife?

Honestly this has been a really fun interaction. You made up a scenario, then said it was mine, then seem confused about who you want to attack and stab.

I thought I nailed it with someone you suspected of shoplifting AND you suspected of manslaughter. But that didn't seem right either.

I'm anycase, I'll make sure I am nowhere near any shops if you're around. Seems safer!

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

As always you get backed into a corner and just become boring an facetious.

In this scenario, are you backing me into a corner with a knife?

Honestly this has been a really fun interaction. You made up a scenario, then said it was mine, then seem confused about who you want to attack and stab.

I thought I nailed it with someone you suspected of shoplifting AND you suspected of manslaughter. But that didn't seem right either.

I'm anycase, I'll make sure I am nowhere near any shops if you're around. Seems safer!

Yawn.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Your scenario I am afraid

"As long as we can give them a few punches and let there heads slam accidentally against the hard concrete and no prosecution I'm up for it

You've already been outdone by the guy who wants to stab suspected shop lifters.

Maybe you two could start a campaign to change the law?nah stabbing not for me unless slitting there throats was accepted "

I'm sure a law could be drafted that allows you two to stab suspected shoplifters in the throat. Not sure it'll be that popular though."

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Your scenario I am afraid

"As long as we can give them a few punches and let there heads slam accidentally against the hard concrete and no prosecution I'm up for it

You've already been outdone by the guy who wants to stab suspected shop lifters.

Maybe you two could start a campaign to change the law?nah stabbing not for me unless slitting there throats was accepted "

I'm sure a law could be drafted that allows you two to stab suspected shoplifters in the throat. Not sure it'll be that popular though."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

As always you get backed into a corner and just become boring an facetious."
I'm also confused. If a shoplifter has a knife on them (but hasn't threaten anyone with it) would you want to be allowed to use it against them ?

That's where I thought we started.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

As always you get backed into a corner and just become boring an facetious.I'm also confused. If a shoplifter has a knife on them (but hasn't threaten anyone with it) would you want to be allowed to use it against them ?

That's where I thought we started. "

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

I have been out in town drinking my mate got punched I took the other guy to the ground and rap*d his arms with mine so he could not lash out. Police arrived WPC and told me I had to realise the guy i argued he would go for her but she drew her baton ready. I let him go he jumped up and knocked her out. Then came at me again I ducked and draged him down. Vans turn up about 15 old bill and cuff both of us luckily the door staffed colberated my version and was released.

Would I do this for someone I don't know???

For a bottle of wine or some meat no way they will get of with a warning and when out I'm now a target.

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By *igNick1381Man
over a year ago

BRIDGEND

"I have been out in town drinking my mate got punched I took the other guy to the ground and rap*d his arms with mine so he could not lash out. Police arrived WPC and told me I had to realise the guy i argued he would go for her but she drew her baton ready. I let him go he jumped up and knocked her out. Then came at me again I ducked and draged him down. Vans turn up about 15 old bill and cuff both of us luckily the door staffed colberated my version and was released.

Would I do this for someone I don't know???

For a bottle of wine or some meat no way they will get of with a warning and when out I'm now a target."

Fuck me I hope you wrapped his arms with yours otherwise I think you went way too far

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By *igNick1381Man
over a year ago

BRIDGEND

I'd not help large corporations, fuck them

But if someone tries to steal from me then I'm not waiting for police

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since. "

And you got it in my replies.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies."

I got lots of contradictions. Then you claimed I'd made up the scenario you posed. Then you claimed to have backed me into a hypothetical corner (but didn't confirm if you had a hypothetical knife or not).

It was all very funny stuff. But there was no clarification on how you might word the proposed law in a clear and unambiguous way, to allow you stab or to attack with weapons, people suspected of shop lifting and/or be in possession of a knife.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies "
I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

It's important to note: SUSPECTED of shoplifting, at this point no one has been arrested or prosecuted.

Anyway, I agree. It's confusing.

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By *ombine HarvesterMan
over a year ago

Ealing

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

It's important to note: SUSPECTED of shoplifting, at this point no one has been arrested or prosecuted.

Anyway, I agree. It's confusing.

Maybe this chap could clarify under what circumstances he wants to be allowed to stab people/attack them with weapons, and how would this new law be worded to avoid any ambiguity. IE I assume we don't want anyone just randomly stabbing people in Boots."
. It would certainly be a lot more efficient if we could take direct action against shoplifters and cut out middle men such as the police and solicitors . I cannot see many people being too concerned about the human rights of shoplifters- they have none. They have cost shareholders and shop owners money and increased the cost of goods to the consumers .

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

It's important to note: SUSPECTED of shoplifting, at this point no one has been arrested or prosecuted.

Anyway, I agree. It's confusing.

Interesting. So a kind of Judge Dredd scenario, but anyone can have a go at dishing out corporal or capital punishment to anyone else who they suspect of shoplifting?

I cannot see many people being too concerned about the human rights of shoplifters- they have none. They have cost shareholders and shop owners money and increased the cost of goods to the consumers . "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

It's important to note: SUSPECTED of shoplifting, at this point no one has been arrested or prosecuted.

Anyway, I agree. It's confusing.

Interesting. So a kind of Judge Dredd scenario, but anyone can have a go at dishing out corporal or capital punishment to anyone else who they suspect of shoplifting?

I for one would suggest that human rights should extend to Mrs Miggins 87, who accidentally pocketed a packet of Polos in Spar. Might sound like a loony lefty perspective, but I think she shouldn't be assaulted with knives and weapons, not even after being convicted. "
I guess all of us that disagree with your thought process can come take all of your valuables without fear of retribution. Guess I need to have a raiding party. Any volunteers?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

It's important to note: SUSPECTED of shoplifting, at this point no one has been arrested or prosecuted.

Anyway, I agree. It's confusing.

Interesting. So a kind of Judge Dredd scenario, but anyone can have a go at dishing out corporal or capital punishment to anyone else who they suspect of shoplifting?

I for one would suggest that human rights should extend to Mrs Miggins 87, who accidentally pocketed a packet of Polos in Spar. Might sound like a loony lefty perspective, but I think she shouldn't be assaulted with knives and weapons, not even after being convicted. I guess all of us that disagree with your thought process can come take all of your valuables without fear of retribution. Guess I need to have a raiding party. Any volunteers?"

I don't own a shop.

But even though I personally won't assault or stab suspected shoplifters, seems like plenty of people will.

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over a year ago

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

It's important to note: SUSPECTED of shoplifting, at this point no one has been arrested or prosecuted.

Anyway, I agree. It's confusing.

Interesting. So a kind of Judge Dredd scenario, but anyone can have a go at dishing out corporal or capital punishment to anyone else who they suspect of shoplifting?

I for one would suggest that human rights should extend to Mrs Miggins 87, who accidentally pocketed a packet of Polos in Spar. Might sound like a loony lefty perspective, but I think she shouldn't be assaulted with knives and weapons, not even after being convicted. I guess all of us that disagree with your thought process can come take all of your valuables without fear of retribution. Guess I need to have a raiding party. Any volunteers?

I don't own a shop.

But even though I personally won't assault or stab suspected shoplifters, seems like plenty of people will. "
what if it was a mom and pop shop that put their life into their product? Hand made specialty items that they toiled over ? You are saying it's perfectly fine they have insurance?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

It's important to note: SUSPECTED of shoplifting, at this point no one has been arrested or prosecuted.

Anyway, I agree. It's confusing.

Interesting. So a kind of Judge Dredd scenario, but anyone can have a go at dishing out corporal or capital punishment to anyone else who they suspect of shoplifting?

I for one would suggest that human rights should extend to Mrs Miggins 87, who accidentally pocketed a packet of Polos in Spar. Might sound like a loony lefty perspective, but I think she shouldn't be assaulted with knives and weapons, not even after being convicted. I guess all of us that disagree with your thought process can come take all of your valuables without fear of retribution. Guess I need to have a raiding party. Any volunteers?

I don't own a shop.

But even though I personally won't assault or stab suspected shoplifters, seems like plenty of people will. what if it was a mom and pop shop that put their life into their product? Hand made specialty items that they toiled over ? You are saying it's perfectly fine they have insurance? "

Am I saying what is perfectly fine?

I'm simply questioning the people who said they want to stab/attack with weapons/stab in the neck/remove human rights from, anyone suspected of shoplifting.

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over a year ago

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

It's important to note: SUSPECTED of shoplifting, at this point no one has been arrested or prosecuted.

Anyway, I agree. It's confusing.

Interesting. So a kind of Judge Dredd scenario, but anyone can have a go at dishing out corporal or capital punishment to anyone else who they suspect of shoplifting?

I for one would suggest that human rights should extend to Mrs Miggins 87, who accidentally pocketed a packet of Polos in Spar. Might sound like a loony lefty perspective, but I think she shouldn't be assaulted with knives and weapons, not even after being convicted. I guess all of us that disagree with your thought process can come take all of your valuables without fear of retribution. Guess I need to have a raiding party. Any volunteers?

I don't own a shop.

Am I saying what is perfectly fine?

I'm simply questioning the people who said they want to stab/attack with weapons/stab in the neck/remove human rights from, anyone suspected of shoplifting. "
Any means necessary according to the threat. Nothing wrong with that don't you agree?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

It's important to note: SUSPECTED of shoplifting, at this point no one has been arrested or prosecuted.

Anyway, I agree. It's confusing.

Interesting. So a kind of Judge Dredd scenario, but anyone can have a go at dishing out corporal or capital punishment to anyone else who they suspect of shoplifting?

I for one would suggest that human rights should extend to Mrs Miggins 87, who accidentally pocketed a packet of Polos in Spar. Might sound like a loony lefty perspective, but I think she shouldn't be assaulted with knives and weapons, not even after being convicted. I guess all of us that disagree with your thought process can come take all of your valuables without fear of retribution. Guess I need to have a raiding party. Any volunteers?

I don't own a shop.

Am I saying what is perfectly fine?

I'm simply questioning the people who said they want to stab/attack with weapons/stab in the neck/remove human rights from, anyone suspected of shoplifting. Any means necessary according to the threat. Nothing wrong with that don't you agree?"

Personally, I think stabbing someone in the neck is a worse crime than taking a toilet roll from a supermarket.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

It's important to note: SUSPECTED of shoplifting, at this point no one has been arrested or prosecuted.

Anyway, I agree. It's confusing.

Interesting. So a kind of Judge Dredd scenario, but anyone can have a go at dishing out corporal or capital punishment to anyone else who they suspect of shoplifting?

I for one would suggest that human rights should extend to Mrs Miggins 87, who accidentally pocketed a packet of Polos in Spar. Might sound like a loony lefty perspective, but I think she shouldn't be assaulted with knives and weapons, not even after being convicted. I guess all of us that disagree with your thought process can come take all of your valuables without fear of retribution. Guess I need to have a raiding party. Any volunteers?

I don't own a shop.

Am I saying what is perfectly fine?

Personally, I think stabbing someone in the neck is a worse crime than taking a toilet roll from a supermarket."
step into my house and steal something you are not getting a knife. Like I said let's steal everything you have. You would be perfectly fine with that as long as it goes to a " good cause".

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

It's important to note: SUSPECTED of shoplifting, at this point no one has been arrested or prosecuted.

Anyway, I agree. It's confusing.

Interesting. So a kind of Judge Dredd scenario, but anyone can have a go at dishing out corporal or capital punishment to anyone else who they suspect of shoplifting?

I for one would suggest that human rights should extend to Mrs Miggins 87, who accidentally pocketed a packet of Polos in Spar. Might sound like a loony lefty perspective, but I think she shouldn't be assaulted with knives and weapons, not even after being convicted. I guess all of us that disagree with your thought process can come take all of your valuables without fear of retribution. Guess I need to have a raiding party. Any volunteers?

I don't own a shop.

Am I saying what is perfectly fine?

Personally, I think stabbing someone in the neck is a worse crime than taking a toilet roll from a supermarket. step into my house and steal something you are not getting a knife. Like I said let's steal everything you have. You would be perfectly fine with that as long as it goes to a " good cause". "

Just to confirm, I have no intention of stepping into your house. I have no idea why you've changed the scenario to you and I breaking into eachothers gaff.

No idea why you think I am in favour of people stealing my stuff. Or what this has got to do with the thread at all?

Maybe you could explain?

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over a year ago

" Personally, I think stabbing someone in the neck is a worse crime than taking a toilet roll from a supermarket."

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Which EXACT post(s) or poster(s) would that be aimed at.....?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

It's important to note: SUSPECTED of shoplifting, at this point no one has been arrested or prosecuted.

Anyway, I agree. It's confusing.

Interesting. So a kind of Judge Dredd scenario, but anyone can have a go at dishing out corporal or capital punishment to anyone else who they suspect of shoplifting?

I for one would suggest that human rights should extend to Mrs Miggins 87, who accidentally pocketed a packet of Polos in Spar. Might sound like a loony lefty perspective, but I think she shouldn't be assaulted with knives and weapons, not even after being convicted. I guess all of us that disagree with your thought process can come take all of your valuables without fear of retribution. Guess I need to have a raiding party. Any volunteers?

I don't own a shop.

Am I saying what is perfectly fine?

Just to confirm, I have no intention of stepping into your house. I have no idea why you've changed the scenario to you and I breaking into eachothers gaff.

No idea why you think I am in favour of people stealing my stuff. Or what this has got to do with the thread at all?

Maybe you could explain?"

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Johnny makes up scenario's to 'prove a point', this is quite acceptable.

Other posters make up opposing or alternative scenario's in reply, this is totally 'confusing', 'mixed up' or 'ridiculous'

Your debating 'skills' need a re-think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

It's important to note: SUSPECTED of shoplifting, at this point no one has been arrested or prosecuted.

Anyway, I agree. It's confusing.

Interesting. So a kind of Judge Dredd scenario, but anyone can have a go at dishing out corporal or capital punishment to anyone else who they suspect of shoplifting?

I for one would suggest that human rights should extend to Mrs Miggins 87, who accidentally pocketed a packet of Polos in Spar. Might sound like a loony lefty perspective, but I think she shouldn't be assaulted with knives and weapons, not even after being convicted. I guess all of us that disagree with your thought process can come take all of your valuables without fear of retribution. Guess I need to have a raiding party. Any volunteers?

I don't own a shop.

Am I saying what is perfectly fine?

Just to confirm, I have no intention of stepping into your house. I have no idea why you've changed the scenario to you and I breaking into eachothers gaff.

No idea why you think I am in favour of people stealing my stuff. Or what this has got to do with the thread at all?

Maybe you could explain?"
My point is you are perfectly fine if someone stealing someone else's valuables. But when it comes to yours you are not. So why can't people steal yours again?

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over a year ago

The logic is ... It's not mine but I can take it with no consequences. Yet when it's mine I have issues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Then people are wondering what is wrong with society now days. What mine is mine and what is yours is mine. In my eyes what is mine is mine and I will protect mine at all costs.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"^ a well known example of the above would be vincent crooke being arrested on murder

I myself have been arrested for something similar when 14 year old attacked a friend of mine at 18.

They hit him on the head with a large rock rendering him unconscious.

I broke one of their shoulder. And one of their jaws when they came at me.

I have personal experience of this

Another example, an 89 year old woman you suspect of shoplifting a kitchen knife. You grab it off her and start stabbing.

You see the problem if legislation is introduced allowing you to knife suspected shoplifters?

Lol,, as if that bill would even be passed to the lords.

And if it does happen.

Get me out of here.

Exactly.

I don't want to be attacked by a maniac with a cricket bat because they think I r0bbed some spicy monster munch.

Younwouldnt be.

You would need to threaten that person's life first.

So you'd first be guilty of stealing something then attempted manslaughter.

Okay, so you want to be able to stab people you suspect might have shoplifted AND manslaughter?

Nope. Again see post above.

You really are bad at reading at the moment two notes.

Shoplifting OR manslaughter?

Maybe start again. Who do you want to be allowed to stab/attack with weapons, and why?

I dont need to start again.

Every man woman and their dog understood the example apart from yourself.

You don't seem to comprehend.

Which is nothing new for yourself.

That's where I thought we started.

It all started with that chap saying.

"Change the law so if they have a knife on them I can use it against them without repercussion, or grab another weapon."

I've been asking for clarification ever since.

And you got it in my replies.

There were no contradictions. Certainly not from myself.

Feel free to re read all my replies I think you said you'd only tackle a shoplifter if you were allowed to stab them if you found a knife on them.

Not stab any shoplifter.

If not, it may be worth saying what you mean as these threads are a nightmare, and this you said/no I didn't don't really add to the convo.

It's important to note: SUSPECTED of shoplifting, at this point no one has been arrested or prosecuted.

Anyway, I agree. It's confusing.

Interesting. So a kind of Judge Dredd scenario, but anyone can have a go at dishing out corporal or capital punishment to anyone else who they suspect of shoplifting?

I for one would suggest that human rights should extend to Mrs Miggins 87, who accidentally pocketed a packet of Polos in Spar. Might sound like a loony lefty perspective, but I think she shouldn't be assaulted with knives and weapons, not even after being convicted. I guess all of us that disagree with your thought process can come take all of your valuables without fear of retribution. Guess I need to have a raiding party. Any volunteers?

I don't own a shop.

Am I saying what is perfectly fine?

Just to confirm, I have no intention of stepping into your house. I have no idea why you've changed the scenario to you and I breaking into eachothers gaff.

No idea why you think I am in favour of people stealing my stuff. Or what this has got to do with the thread at all?

Maybe you could explain? My point is you are perfectly fine if someone stealing someone else's valuables. But when it comes to yours you are not. So why can't people steal yours again? "

No, firstly we were talking about shoplifting. Not stealing from a person. Secondly I am not fine with people stealing, from either a person or a shop.

I just think it's ridiculous to want to be allowed to walk around the streets stabbing people you personally suspect of shoplifting.

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over a year ago

Absolutely not. I am not stopping or chasing down shop lifters for a store that no doubt make billions in profits. Not all stores do obviously.

More than likely insured for the loss.

No this is going to end badly.

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By *ombine HarvesterMan
over a year ago

Ealing

"Absolutely not. I am not stopping or chasing down shop lifters for a store that no doubt make billions in profits. Not all stores do obviously.

More than likely insured for the loss.

No this is going to end badly.

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I cannot think of many if any stores that make billins in profits let alone turnover. Again I am unaware of any insurance policy that covers losses due to shoplifters .

If we took the action suggested again shop lifters they would simply become a dying breed . No ome is gong to miss a shop lifters ( or lack of ) contribution to society. We all pay for the items which they steal.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

This thread is fucking bizarre

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By *ostindreamsMan
over a year ago

London

"This thread is fucking bizarre

It is

It's fun though. Morality debates using hypothetical scenarios are always interesting. But when reality hits us, it becomes a simple matter of saving our own asses.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"This thread is fucking bizarre

It is

It's fun though. Morality debates using hypothetical scenarios are always interesting. But when reality hits us, it becomes a simple matter of saving our own asses."

True, if someone tried to stab me because they suspected me of shoplifting a can of from Tesco, I'd be all about saving my own arse.

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