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"here we go promissing the world to us i think there must be ab electon looming do thet take us for fools" It worked the last five elections. It'll likely work again. | |||
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"Just heard it compared to Alan Partridge when he found out his BBC contract was not being renewed so he started reeling off TV programme ideas to see what might stick. They are sounding a bit desperate. The secret weapon will be tax cuts (the old put up then put back down before the GE trick)." Monkey tennis. | |||
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"Unless SKS makes the mother of all mistakes, it does,not matter what is promised at the conservative party conference" Don't worry, unless SKS can make sure the press, the establishment, the big money corporations that he has their interests at heart, they will destroy him before the next GE. | |||
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"here we go promissing the world to us i think there must be ab electon looming do thet take us for fools It worked the last five elections. It'll likely work again." ************************************ Wrong. 'It worked' because the opposition was rejected as being unelectable. | |||
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"here we go promissing the world to us i think there must be ab electon looming do thet take us for fools It worked the last five elections. It'll likely work again. ************************************ Wrong. 'It worked' because the opposition was rejected as being unelectable." I mean, strictly speaking it worked because of FPTP. | |||
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"here we go promissing the world to us i think there must be ab electon looming do thet take us for fools" Don’t all the parties lie and tell us what we want to be true ?? | |||
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"here we go promissing the world to us i think there must be ab electon looming do thet take us for fools It worked the last five elections. It'll likely work again. ************************************ Wrong. 'It worked' because the opposition was rejected as being unelectable. I mean, strictly speaking it worked because of FPTP." ********************************** A system which has historically produced stable governments. Still doesn't alter the FACT that the (then) opposition was unelectable. | |||
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Saying that I do agree Labour lost the election in 2017 and 2019 more than the Conservatives won it.
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"Ooh capitals so it MUST be true!
Saying that I do agree Labour lost the election in 2017 and 2019 more than the Conservatives won it.
"2019 I’d agree with, for sure. Labour were lost (and not because of Brexit) 2017 Labour did incredibly well, with an excellent _anifesto, while May floundered around the worst Tory _anifesto in living memory. | |||
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"Ooh capitals so it MUST be true!
Saying that I do agree Labour lost the election in 2017 and 2019 more than the Conservatives won it.
2019 I’d agree with, for sure. Labour were lost (and not because of Brexit)
2017 Labour did incredibly well, with an excellent _anifesto, while May floundered around the worst Tory _anifesto in living memory."Yeah but Corbyn! He was in part his own worst enemy as on the one hand appeared to have strongly held principles (which deserves respect regardless of whether you agree with them) but always flip flopped around when confronted on “difficult topics” so a bit like nailing jelly to the wall. His history was also a godsend to the right wing media who destroyed him. For ME he was too in thrall to Momentum, but then I am not a socialist. | |||
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"Unless SKS makes the mother of all mistakes, it does,not matter what is promised at the conservative party conference Don't worry, unless SKS can make sure the press, the establishment, the big money corporations that he has their interests at heart, they will destroy him before the next GE." I understand your point if view but don't share it. To me its far to far down the line for the Tories to save this. Unfortunately although I think it's Labour's to loose I also think it's more the Tories failing than Labour winning which is concerning for the future | |||
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"Unless SKS makes the mother of all mistakes, it does,not matter what is promised at the conservative party conference Don't worry, unless SKS can make sure the press, the establishment, the big money corporations that he has their interests at heart, they will destroy him before the next GE. I understand your point if view but don't share it. To me its far to far down the line for the Tories to save this. Unfortunately although I think it's Labour's to loose I also think it's more the Tories failing than Labour winning which is concerning for the future" I'm in agreeance here. Labour made great strides in 2017. Absolutely blew it in 2019. If they don't find themselves in Government next year, they'll have lost that too. | |||
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"When Sunak became PM he said he was Mr Stable, after the turmoil of Truss. Now he is trying to reinvent himself as Mr Change" Mister Blobby Mister Benn Mister Strong Mister Happy... ... ... | |||
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"How many times has he said "spades are already in the ground". No wonder it's taking so long without mechanical diggers"  | |||
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"Unless SKS makes the mother of all mistakes, it does,not matter what is promised at the conservative party conference Don't worry, unless SKS can make sure the press, the establishment, the big money corporations that he has their interests at heart, they will destroy him before the next GE. I understand your point if view but don't share it. To me its far to far down the line for the Tories to save this. Unfortunately although I think it's Labour's to loose I also think it's more the Tories failing than Labour winning which is concerning for the future" I hope your right. I don't see the Tories any more or less horrific and self serving than they were at any other point during the past 13 years. And they kept getting voted in. | |||
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"Unless SKS makes the mother of all mistakes, it does,not matter what is promised at the conservative party conference Don't worry, unless SKS can make sure the press, the establishment, the big money corporations that he has their interests at heart, they will destroy him before the next GE. I understand your point if view but don't share it. To me its far to far down the line for the Tories to save this. Unfortunately although I think it's Labour's to loose I also think it's more the Tories failing than Labour winning which is concerning for the future I hope your right. I don't see the Tories any more or less horrific and self serving than they were at any other point during the past 13 years. And they kept getting voted in. " And do you agree that it's about the Tories losing rather than labour winning? If so, it doesn't say much for the opposition | |||
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"Unless SKS makes the mother of all mistakes, it does,not matter what is promised at the conservative party conference Don't worry, unless SKS can make sure the press, the establishment, the big money corporations that he has their interests at heart, they will destroy him before the next GE. I understand your point if view but don't share it. To me its far to far down the line for the Tories to save this. Unfortunately although I think it's Labour's to loose I also think it's more the Tories failing than Labour winning which is concerning for the future I hope your right. I don't see the Tories any more or less horrific and self serving than they were at any other point during the past 13 years. And they kept getting voted in. " I think they have definitely got worse though that's just my personal opinion. Unfortunately the irony is the likely new government (in my opinion) is basically just a change it tie colour | |||
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"Unless SKS makes the mother of all mistakes, it does,not matter what is promised at the conservative party conference Don't worry, unless SKS can make sure the press, the establishment, the big money corporations that he has their interests at heart, they will destroy him before the next GE. I understand your point if view but don't share it. To me its far to far down the line for the Tories to save this. Unfortunately although I think it's Labour's to loose I also think it's more the Tories failing than Labour winning which is concerning for the future I hope your right. I don't see the Tories any more or less horrific and self serving than they were at any other point during the past 13 years. And they kept getting voted in. I think they have definitely got worse though that's just my personal opinion. Unfortunately the irony is the likely new government (in my opinion) is basically just a change it tie colour" I agree and if labour win an outright majority I don't have a problem with it. It'll give the Tories the kick up the arse they need I hope. However I'm concerned about the possibility of a liblab coalition and what the libs would demand. | |||
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"here we go promissing the world to us i think there must be ab electon looming do thet take us for fools" . Luckily the electorate are not stupid and make rational decisions . The results of the last three elections are proof of that. No ome can argue with the votes cast on election day. What happens the day before or the day after the count is irrelevant . The current government will be elected for another term . Most people are better off now than they were thirteen years ago. | |||
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"Unless SKS makes the mother of all mistakes, it does,not matter what is promised at the conservative party conference Don't worry, unless SKS can make sure the press, the establishment, the big money corporations that he has their interests at heart, they will destroy him before the next GE. I understand your point if view but don't share it. To me its far to far down the line for the Tories to save this. Unfortunately although I think it's Labour's to loose I also think it's more the Tories failing than Labour winning which is concerning for the future I hope your right. I don't see the Tories any more or less horrific and self serving than they were at any other point during the past 13 years. And they kept getting voted in. And do you agree that it's about the Tories losing rather than labour winning? If so, it doesn't say much for the opposition " Nope I don't agree. The opposite of the Tories isn't Labour. But sure, I have no opinion if you want to blame Labour for people voting Tory. | |||
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"Unless SKS makes the mother of all mistakes, it does,not matter what is promised at the conservative party conference Don't worry, unless SKS can make sure the press, the establishment, the big money corporations that he has their interests at heart, they will destroy him before the next GE. I understand your point if view but don't share it. To me its far to far down the line for the Tories to save this. Unfortunately although I think it's Labour's to loose I also think it's more the Tories failing than Labour winning which is concerning for the future I hope your right. I don't see the Tories any more or less horrific and self serving than they were at any other point during the past 13 years. And they kept getting voted in. I think they have definitely got worse though that's just my personal opinion. Unfortunately the irony is the likely new government (in my opinion) is basically just a change it tie colour" I agree, policy wise Labour under Starmer are pretty fucking useless. Basically Tory-lite. I think the main difference would be less fear based rhetoric aimed at foreigners, and less self serving corruption. | |||
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"Thanks Fabs, for saving me from having to dirty my hands with the Daily Fail comments. I can just come here and read braindead rubbish if I ever feel the need." . Luckily we live in a free society. Most rational people would recognise that the Daily Mail has a substantial readership ( around two million daily ) . It is only to be expected that not everyone will agree with the points made by their various columnists . However what matters is the majority view. They are an extremely successfull newspaper and employ many talented journalists . The newspaper has also won many press awards. | |||
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"Unless SKS makes the mother of all mistakes, it does,not matter what is promised at the conservative party conference Don't worry, unless SKS can make sure the press, the establishment, the big money corporations that he has their interests at heart, they will destroy him before the next GE. I understand your point if view but don't share it. To me its far to far down the line for the Tories to save this. Unfortunately although I think it's Labour's to loose I also think it's more the Tories failing than Labour winning which is concerning for the future I hope your right. I don't see the Tories any more or less horrific and self serving than they were at any other point during the past 13 years. And they kept getting voted in. I think they have definitely got worse though that's just my personal opinion. Unfortunately the irony is the likely new government (in my opinion) is basically just a change it tie colour" Well, if it were the blue of the old - pre-Thatcher - conservatives you might be somewhere near right. But this bunch are a much more vicious breed, so, no, a government under SKS will not be basically just a change of colour. | |||
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"Leave them alone, I mean if it wasn't for sunack you'd all have 7 bins, be forced to car share with strangers and pay an additional tax on a bag of pork scratchings " Sharing a car with strangers can be fun. | |||
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"Unless SKS makes the mother of all mistakes, it does,not matter what is promised at the conservative party conference Don't worry, unless SKS can make sure the press, the establishment, the big money corporations that he has their interests at heart, they will destroy him before the next GE. I understand your point if view but don't share it. To me its far to far down the line for the Tories to save this. Unfortunately although I think it's Labour's to loose I also think it's more the Tories failing than Labour winning which is concerning for the future I hope your right. I don't see the Tories any more or less horrific and self serving than they were at any other point during the past 13 years. And they kept getting voted in. I think they have definitely got worse though that's just my personal opinion. Unfortunately the irony is the likely new government (in my opinion) is basically just a change it tie colour I agree, policy wise Labour under Starmer are pretty fucking useless. Basically Tory-lite. I think the main difference would be less fear based rhetoric aimed at foreigners, and less self serving corruption. " We hope that will be a difference but there is no guarantee. They may be even worse (God forbid) or simply aim their fear based rhetoric at others whilst lining their pockets. Hope your version is closer to the actual outcome | |||
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"here we go promissing the world to us i think there must be ab electon looming do thet take us for fools It worked the last five elections. It'll likely work again. ************************************ Wrong. 'It worked' because the opposition was rejected as being unelectable." Labour lost the last election, as they sat on the fence too long over brexit. | |||
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"here we go promissing the world to us i think there must be ab electon looming do thet take us for fools Don’t all the parties lie and tell us what we want to be true ??" The last person to enter thr houses of parliment, with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes. | |||
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