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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. " If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’" So how is you homelessness per capita working out? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? " Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty" so what is labours magic wand? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand?" Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see." 13 years ago. What happened since then? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? " The tories happened. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? The tories happened. " Anything else of note in that time? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? The tories happened. Anything else of note in that time?" Anything to explain year on year increase in rough sleeping since 2010 (except during Covid where miraculously, shelter was found). You tell me your theory. You tell me. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? The tories happened. Anything else of note in that time? Anything to explain year on year increase in rough sleeping since 2010 (except during Covid where miraculously, shelter was found). You tell me your theory. You tell me." Nothing I tell you will be accepted, so why would I bother to go around the houses with you? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? The tories happened. Anything else of note in that time? Anything to explain year on year increase in rough sleeping since 2010 (except during Covid where miraculously, shelter was found). You tell me your theory. You tell me. Nothing I tell you will be accepted, so why would I bother to go around the houses with you? " I’m intrigued to know who’s responsible if it’s not the government who’s been in power for 13 years. Remember what I said about some people never blaming the incumbent govt? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? The tories happened. Anything else of note in that time? Anything to explain year on year increase in rough sleeping since 2010 (except during Covid where miraculously, shelter was found). You tell me your theory. You tell me. Nothing I tell you will be accepted, so why would I bother to go around the houses with you? I’m intrigued to know who’s responsible if it’s not the government who’s been in power for 13 years. Remember what I said about some people never blaming the incumbent govt? " If I remember the queen invited Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg to form a coalition government for a few years. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? The tories happened. Anything else of note in that time? Anything to explain year on year increase in rough sleeping since 2010 (except during Covid where miraculously, shelter was found). You tell me your theory. You tell me. Nothing I tell you will be accepted, so why would I bother to go around the houses with you? I’m intrigued to know who’s responsible if it’s not the government who’s been in power for 13 years. Remember what I said about some people never blaming the incumbent govt? " I absolutely blame the incumbent govt but there's a reason labour haven't been trusted with power for 13 and years | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? The tories happened. Anything else of note in that time? Anything to explain year on year increase in rough sleeping since 2010 (except during Covid where miraculously, shelter was found). You tell me your theory. You tell me. Nothing I tell you will be accepted, so why would I bother to go around the houses with you? I’m intrigued to know who’s responsible if it’s not the government who’s been in power for 13 years. Remember what I said about some people never blaming the incumbent govt? If I remember the queen invited Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg to form a coalition government for a few years. " That’s the best you’ve got? For the first few years the tories were only the largest party in a coalition? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? The tories happened. Anything else of note in that time? Anything to explain year on year increase in rough sleeping since 2010 (except during Covid where miraculously, shelter was found). You tell me your theory. You tell me. Nothing I tell you will be accepted, so why would I bother to go around the houses with you? I’m intrigued to know who’s responsible if it’s not the government who’s been in power for 13 years. Remember what I said about some people never blaming the incumbent govt? I absolutely blame the incumbent govt but there's a reason labour haven't been trusted with power for 13 and years" On this particular subject of homelessness you’d agree that labour were far superior to the tories though, correct? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? The tories happened. Anything else of note in that time? Anything to explain year on year increase in rough sleeping since 2010 (except during Covid where miraculously, shelter was found). You tell me your theory. You tell me. Nothing I tell you will be accepted, so why would I bother to go around the houses with you? I’m intrigued to know who’s responsible if it’s not the government who’s been in power for 13 years. Remember what I said about some people never blaming the incumbent govt? If I remember the queen invited Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg to form a coalition government for a few years. That’s the best you’ve got? For the first few years the tories were only the largest party in a coalition? " I'm just stating facts that there was a coalition government, until the country voted the conservatives into office absolute. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? The tories happened. Anything else of note in that time? Anything to explain year on year increase in rough sleeping since 2010 (except during Covid where miraculously, shelter was found). You tell me your theory. You tell me. Nothing I tell you will be accepted, so why would I bother to go around the houses with you? I’m intrigued to know who’s responsible if it’s not the government who’s been in power for 13 years. Remember what I said about some people never blaming the incumbent govt? If I remember the queen invited Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg to form a coalition government for a few years. That’s the best you’ve got? For the first few years the tories were only the largest party in a coalition? I'm just stating facts that there was a coalition government, until the country voted the conservatives into office absolute. " The day after the Toris got full power, children and homeless services were cut. Homelessness has always grown under a tories government. Poverty has always grown under a tories gov'. If your richer, then your richer under the tories. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? The tories happened. Anything else of note in that time? Anything to explain year on year increase in rough sleeping since 2010 (except during Covid where miraculously, shelter was found). You tell me your theory. You tell me. Nothing I tell you will be accepted, so why would I bother to go around the houses with you? I’m intrigued to know who’s responsible if it’s not the government who’s been in power for 13 years. Remember what I said about some people never blaming the incumbent govt? If I remember the queen invited Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg to form a coalition government for a few years. That’s the best you’ve got? For the first few years the tories were only the largest party in a coalition? I'm just stating facts that there was a coalition government, until the country voted the conservatives into office absolute. The day after the Toris got full power, children and homeless services were cut. Homelessness has always grown under a tories government. Poverty has always grown under a tories gov'. If your richer, then your richer under the tories." Not about to start defending the current government (I don’t really think they have been Tories per se since Johnson took over) but... It will depend on your definition of rich. People who earn between £100-125k are actually worse off under this govt due to clawback of personal allowance (added to loss of child benefit for those earning £50-60k and above). You don’t start getting back on track until you are warning around £145k. | |||
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"I see this has turned into another 'blame the Tories' thread. I was looking for suggestions as to how we can help these people. It would seem we've made it no better by actually giving them leave to remain. " The main thing is indeed their welfare. We accepted their right to remain, and we have failed them. I hope another council can assist, or they can be found shelter. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out the enormous increase in rough sleeping and the cuts that have contributed to it though. | |||
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"I see this has turned into another 'blame the Tories' thread. I was looking for suggestions as to how we can help these people. It would seem we've made it no better by actually giving them leave to remain. The main thing is indeed their welfare. We accepted their right to remain, and we have failed them. I hope another council can assist, or they can be found shelter. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out the enormous increase in rough sleeping and the cuts that have contributed to it though." Of course you don't think it's unfair, although it has nothing to do with these 2 men. Here we have a country seriously struggling with homelessness who are making more people homeless because they have a right to claim asylum. That isn't actually helping these people. | |||
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"I see this has turned into another 'blame the Tories' thread. I was looking for suggestions as to how we can help these people. It would seem we've made it no better by actually giving them leave to remain. The main thing is indeed their welfare. We accepted their right to remain, and we have failed them. I hope another council can assist, or they can be found shelter. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out the enormous increase in rough sleeping and the cuts that have contributed to it though. Of course you don't think it's unfair, although it has nothing to do with these 2 men. Here we have a country seriously struggling with homelessness who are making more people homeless because they have a right to claim asylum. That isn't actually helping these people. " And homelessness could be slashed if govt. followed the lead of their predecessor. It’s not like it’s an unsolvable problem, it just requires the willpower to solve it. | |||
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"I see this has turned into another 'blame the Tories' thread. I was looking for suggestions as to how we can help these people. It would seem we've made it no better by actually giving them leave to remain. The main thing is indeed their welfare. We accepted their right to remain, and we have failed them. I hope another council can assist, or they can be found shelter. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out the enormous increase in rough sleeping and the cuts that have contributed to it though. Of course you don't think it's unfair, although it has nothing to do with these 2 men. Here we have a country seriously struggling with homelessness who are making more people homeless because they have a right to claim asylum. That isn't actually helping these people. And homelessness could be slashed if govt. followed the lead of their predecessor. It’s not like it’s an unsolvable problem, it just requires the willpower to solve it. " Of course it could, I'm not arguing otherwise. It still has nothing to do with actively making these peoples lives worse off. As I've said already, 'blame the Tories'. It's all good and well blaming them but it doesn't help. | |||
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"I see this has turned into another 'blame the Tories' thread. I was looking for suggestions as to how we can help these people. It would seem we've made it no better by actually giving them leave to remain. The main thing is indeed their welfare. We accepted their right to remain, and we have failed them. I hope another council can assist, or they can be found shelter. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out the enormous increase in rough sleeping and the cuts that have contributed to it though. Of course you don't think it's unfair, although it has nothing to do with these 2 men. Here we have a country seriously struggling with homelessness who are making more people homeless because they have a right to claim asylum. That isn't actually helping these people. And homelessness could be slashed if govt. followed the lead of their predecessor. It’s not like it’s an unsolvable problem, it just requires the willpower to solve it. " Where is the money coming from to house people? We could stop spending billions in other places to do this, where should we start, what suffers? Please don’t go down the close loophole route, takes to long and probably won’t provide the returns you think it will. Go straight cut, what are you cutting to house people? | |||
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"I see this has turned into another 'blame the Tories' thread. I was looking for suggestions as to how we can help these people. It would seem we've made it no better by actually giving them leave to remain. The main thing is indeed their welfare. We accepted their right to remain, and we have failed them. I hope another council can assist, or they can be found shelter. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out the enormous increase in rough sleeping and the cuts that have contributed to it though. Of course you don't think it's unfair, although it has nothing to do with these 2 men. Here we have a country seriously struggling with homelessness who are making more people homeless because they have a right to claim asylum. That isn't actually helping these people. And homelessness could be slashed if govt. followed the lead of their predecessor. It’s not like it’s an unsolvable problem, it just requires the willpower to solve it. Where is the money coming from to house people? We could stop spending billions in other places to do this, where should we start, what suffers? Please don’t go down the close loophole route, takes to long and probably won’t provide the returns you think it will. Go straight cut, what are you cutting to house people? " can't we ask Boris ? "We will also end the blight of rough sleeping by the end of the next Parliament by expanding successful pilots and programmes such as the Rough Sleeping Initiative and Housing First, and working to bring together local services to meet the health and housing needs of people sleeping on the streets." | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see." 
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? The tories happened. Anything else of note in that time? Anything to explain year on year increase in rough sleeping since 2010 (except during Covid where miraculously, shelter was found). You tell me your theory. You tell me. Nothing I tell you will be accepted, so why would I bother to go around the houses with you? I’m intrigued to know who’s responsible if it’s not the government who’s been in power for 13 years. Remember what I said about some people never blaming the incumbent govt? I absolutely blame the incumbent govt but there's a reason labour haven't been trusted with power for 13 and years On this particular subject of homelessness you’d agree that labour were far superior to the tories though, correct? " I wouldn't alot has to do with how it's reported under labour you was classed has homeless if you didn't stop anywhere each week now I believe it's if you don't have a permanent bed ie under labour if I stopped at church salvation army rooms twice in a week I wasn't homeless now unless it's 7 days your classed has homeless so number will be different but nevertheless it ain't good. | |||
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"I see this has turned into another 'blame the Tories' thread. I was looking for suggestions as to how we can help these people. It would seem we've made it no better by actually giving them leave to remain. The main thing is indeed their welfare. We accepted their right to remain, and we have failed them. I hope another council can assist, or they can be found shelter. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out the enormous increase in rough sleeping and the cuts that have contributed to it though. Of course you don't think it's unfair, although it has nothing to do with these 2 men. Here we have a country seriously struggling with homelessness who are making more people homeless because they have a right to claim asylum. That isn't actually helping these people. And homelessness could be slashed if govt. followed the lead of their predecessor. It’s not like it’s an unsolvable problem, it just requires the willpower to solve it. Where is the money coming from to house people? We could stop spending billions in other places to do this, where should we start, what suffers? Please don’t go down the close loophole route, takes to long and probably won’t provide the returns you think it will. Go straight cut, what are you cutting to house people? can't we ask Boris ? "We will also end the blight of rough sleeping by the end of the next Parliament by expanding successful pilots and programmes such as the Rough Sleeping Initiative and Housing First, and working to bring together local services to meet the health and housing needs of people sleeping on the streets."" I’m lost on your point here… I’m simply asking where the money comes from.. I’m not interested in politicians spin and pledges, where's the money and what needs to be cut to provide it | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? The tories happened. " Your having a larf… who was it who started an illegal war and distablised the entire Middle East. That resulted in millions of refugees seeking home else where. Who opened the floodgates to unlimited immigration in 2003. Even the beloved EU held back from that until that useless German chancellor( she’s gone very quiet) open there borders to ever Tom, Dick and …. | |||
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"I see this has turned into another 'blame the Tories' thread. I was looking for suggestions as to how we can help these people. It would seem we've made it no better by actually giving them leave to remain. The main thing is indeed their welfare. We accepted their right to remain, and we have failed them. I hope another council can assist, or they can be found shelter. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out the enormous increase in rough sleeping and the cuts that have contributed to it though. Of course you don't think it's unfair, although it has nothing to do with these 2 men. Here we have a country seriously struggling with homelessness who are making more people homeless because they have a right to claim asylum. That isn't actually helping these people. And homelessness could be slashed if govt. followed the lead of their predecessor. It’s not like it’s an unsolvable problem, it just requires the willpower to solve it. Where is the money coming from to house people? We could stop spending billions in other places to do this, where should we start, what suffers? Please don’t go down the close loophole route, takes to long and probably won’t provide the returns you think it will. Go straight cut, what are you cutting to house people? can't we ask Boris ? "We will also end the blight of rough sleeping by the end of the next Parliament by expanding successful pilots and programmes such as the Rough Sleeping Initiative and Housing First, and working to bring together local services to meet the health and housing needs of people sleeping on the streets." I’m lost on your point here… I’m simply asking where the money comes from.. I’m not interested in politicians spin and pledges, where's the money and what needs to be cut to provide it " I've been generous and assumed the Tory manifesto was fully funded. I'd leave IHT alone and redirect that "savings" to worthier causes. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. If they’ve been given right to stay, they should be treated no differently from any other homeless person, which sadly is ‘absolutely abysmally’ So how is you homelessness per capita working out? Oh the tories have been appalling on homelessness since they took power in 2010. It’s a travesty so what is labours magic wand? Well last time they were in power they almost eradicated rough sleeping, so I guess we’ll see. 13 years ago. What happened since then? The tories happened. Your having a larf… who was it who started an illegal war and distablised the entire Middle East. That resulted in millions of refugees seeking home else where. Who opened the floodgates to unlimited immigration in 2003. Even the beloved EU held back from that until that useless German chancellor( she’s gone very quiet) open there borders to ever Tom, Dick and …." We’ve never had unlimited immigration. Ever. | |||
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"Just to turn away from the, as usual, negative thread on what is a difficult subject (homelessness in UK) I cam across a charity a few years back who had a brilliant and inspiring approach. They set up a website that enabled the public to directly sponsor a homeless person with the funding used for positive things. This included the provision of a postal address, mobile phone and bank account. Why? Because you need those to apply for jobs. The sponsorship covered things like accommodation and food but also funding towards training schemes to develop skills and make the person employable. The donors had confidence that the money they provided was being used for “appropriate and positive” things that would actually help the individual. They also got a caseworker and their progress was updated in a blog so donors could see the positive impact they were having. The charity also forged links with businesses so they could help with work placement and apprenticeships etc. Very inspiring."  what's the name ? | |||
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"Just to turn away from the, as usual, negative thread on what is a difficult subject (homelessness in UK) I cam across a charity a few years back who had a brilliant and inspiring approach. They set up a website that enabled the public to directly sponsor a homeless person with the funding used for positive things. This included the provision of a postal address, mobile phone and bank account. Why? Because you need those to apply for jobs. The sponsorship covered things like accommodation and food but also funding towards training schemes to develop skills and make the person employable. The donors had confidence that the money they provided was being used for “appropriate and positive” things that would actually help the individual. They also got a caseworker and their progress was updated in a blog so donors could see the positive impact they were having. The charity also forged links with businesses so they could help with work placement and apprenticeships etc. Very inspiring. what's the name ?"They are called Beam (the link won’t be allowed but if you google “sponsor a homeless person UK” they come out near the top of the natural search results below the adverts). | |||
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"Just to turn away from the, as usual, negative thread on what is a difficult subject (homelessness in UK) I cam across a charity a few years back who had a brilliant and inspiring approach. They set up a website that enabled the public to directly sponsor a homeless person with the funding used for positive things. This included the provision of a postal address, mobile phone and bank account. Why? Because you need those to apply for jobs. The sponsorship covered things like accommodation and food but also funding towards training schemes to develop skills and make the person employable. The donors had confidence that the money they provided was being used for “appropriate and positive” things that would actually help the individual. They also got a caseworker and their progress was updated in a blog so donors could see the positive impact they were having. The charity also forged links with businesses so they could help with work placement and apprenticeships etc. Very inspiring. what's the name ?
They are called Beam (the link won’t be allowed but if you google “sponsor a homeless person UK” they come out near the top of the natural search results below the adverts).
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"Just to turn away from the, as usual, negative thread on what is a difficult subject (homelessness in UK) I cam across a charity a few years back who had a brilliant and inspiring approach. They set up a website that enabled the public to directly sponsor a homeless person with the funding used for positive things. This included the provision of a postal address, mobile phone and bank account. Why? Because you need those to apply for jobs. The sponsorship covered things like accommodation and food but also funding towards training schemes to develop skills and make the person employable. The donors had confidence that the money they provided was being used for “appropriate and positive” things that would actually help the individual. They also got a caseworker and their progress was updated in a blog so donors could see the positive impact they were having. The charity also forged links with businesses so they could help with work placement and apprenticeships etc. Very inspiring. what's the name ?
They are called Beam (the link won’t be allowed but if you google “sponsor a homeless person UK” they come out near the top of the natural search results below the adverts).
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"I see this has turned into another 'blame the Tories' thread. I was looking for suggestions as to how we can help these people. It would seem we've made it no better by actually giving them leave to remain. " I work in social Housing and to be honest it's a mess. Over crowding in small flats. An under occupied in 3 bedroom houses. No one once to help the old down size and family's moving in to bigger home's. If the small flats are not freed up there is little hope for the homeless. And with the cost of living crisis charities are struggling to raise funds to help. But I agree a leave to stay means they are treated the same as UK citizens, but if there is 1 property avaliable it will go to a mum and children. Single men without children are at the bottom of the list. | |||
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"I see this has turned into another 'blame the Tories' thread. I was looking for suggestions as to how we can help these people. It would seem we've made it no better by actually giving them leave to remain. The main thing is indeed their welfare. We accepted their right to remain, and we have failed them. I hope another council can assist, or they can be found shelter. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out the enormous increase in rough sleeping and the cuts that have contributed to it though. Of course you don't think it's unfair, although it has nothing to do with these 2 men. Here we have a country seriously struggling with homelessness who are making more people homeless because they have a right to claim asylum. That isn't actually helping these people. And homelessness could be slashed if govt. followed the lead of their predecessor. It’s not like it’s an unsolvable problem, it just requires the willpower to solve it. Where is the money coming from to house people? We could stop spending billions in other places to do this, where should we start, what suffers? Please don’t go down the close loophole route, takes to long and probably won’t provide the returns you think it will. Go straight cut, what are you cutting to house people? " For me scrap Trident! Over price for a deterrent. So probably no hopefully never used. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. " Well they wanted to come to the UK. The land of milk and honey. So they should be happy.. | |||
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"I see this has turned into another 'blame the Tories' thread. I was looking for suggestions as to how we can help these people. It would seem we've made it no better by actually giving them leave to remain. The main thing is indeed their welfare. We accepted their right to remain, and we have failed them. I hope another council can assist, or they can be found shelter. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out the enormous increase in rough sleeping and the cuts that have contributed to it though. Of course you don't think it's unfair, although it has nothing to do with these 2 men. Here we have a country seriously struggling with homelessness who are making more people homeless because they have a right to claim asylum. That isn't actually helping these people. And homelessness could be slashed if govt. followed the lead of their predecessor. It’s not like it’s an unsolvable problem, it just requires the willpower to solve it. Where is the money coming from to house people? We could stop spending billions in other places to do this, where should we start, what suffers? Please don’t go down the close loophole route, takes to long and probably won’t provide the returns you think it will. Go straight cut, what are you cutting to house people? For me scrap Trident! Over price for a deterrent. So probably no hopefully never used. " Looking more likely HS2 link to Manchester is scrapped. Frees up £billions that would already have been accounted for in the Spending Review period. So that could fund all sorts! | |||
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"Give it time, they'll soon beg to go back home when they realise how awful and mundane life is here with no money." And if some go some might not want to come. When they realise how poor the UK now is. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. " Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military." Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though." Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though." I'm assuming that is the case. The guy has claimed asylum due to being scared of persecution for refusing to fight. The EU have said this would be a valid claim, the ruling was whilst we were still in the EU. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. " I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? " You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism. "Not sure of your point. I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that. "Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime. If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept. "While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc. I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end.. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept. "I get it, you will not put your neck out for a piece of dirt or some other piece of dirt in the hope one day it will be borderless, the english have already been there done it with the scottish and welsh non boarders there was one created by the annexation of the 6 counties though, you could pitch up at buck palace or number 10 and demand no boarders, the thing is you have to fight for it because they would fight you for it. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end.."We have trained and salaried military to fight. Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools. | |||
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"Is Syria a civil war? In my head it is. So what happens if you are conscripted for the side you dont believe in? Should that mean you have to go and join the other army immediately? " No it was a bunch of terrorists wanting to create a boarder through syria. | |||
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"Is Syria a civil war? In my head it is. So what happens if you are conscripted for the side you dont believe in? Should that mean you have to go and join the other army immediately? No it was a bunch of terrorists wanting to create a boarder through syria. " One man’s terrorist….etc | |||
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"Alot of british people have being do that for years i dont see any posts on that. Karen" | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools."you have painted a very interesting picture. You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on. That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
"Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades. And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it. I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so. | |||
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" I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it. I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so. " So if ISIS, for instance, staged an invasion of the British Isles, would you still be a pacifist ? Or would you take up arms and defend this land by killing them ? | |||
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"Alot of british people have being do that for years i dont see any posts on that. Karen" British homelessness crops up quite often. However, the point of the thread was.... We have granted these people refugee status to make their lives safer whilst kicking them onto the street which is making it less safe for them than whilst the were asylum seekers. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so. "You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you... "those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there.... | |||
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" I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it. I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so. So if ISIS, for instance, staged an invasion of the British Isles, would you still be a pacifist ? Or would you take up arms and defend this land by killing them ?" We have a standing military to deal with terrorists. In the event of full scale invasion from another nation - as I’ve already said. I’d ensure the safety of my family first, and follow them as soon as possible. I would not be conscripted. | |||
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"Alot of british people have being do that for years i dont see any posts on that. Karen British homelessness crops up quite often. However, the point of the thread was.... We have granted these people refugee status to make their lives safer whilst kicking them onto the street which is making it less safe for them than whilst the were asylum seekers. " Is it though? Aren’t they fleeing war torn countries? I’d think the streets of England are still safer than a war torn country And beyond that, there’s a housing shortage, shelter isn’t unlimited and the number of immigrants coming in is going to outstrip the ability to house them It’s a lose lose. Turn then away your a monster, let them in but can’t house them your a monster too | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there...."‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s. What’s your stance on conscientious objectors? | |||
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"Alot of british people have being do that for years i dont see any posts on that. Karen British homelessness crops up quite often. However, the point of the thread was.... We have granted these people refugee status to make their lives safer whilst kicking them onto the street which is making it less safe for them than whilst the were asylum seekers. Is it though? Aren’t they fleeing war torn countries? I’d think the streets of England are still safer than a war torn country And beyond that, there’s a housing shortage, shelter isn’t unlimited and the number of immigrants coming in is going to outstrip the ability to house them It’s a lose lose. Turn then away your a monster, let them in but can’t house them your a monster too " It's certainly less safe than when they were claiming asylum and being housed in hotels. I agree it's lose lose. | |||
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"Alot of british people have being do that for years i dont see any posts on that. Karen British homelessness crops up quite often. However, the point of the thread was.... We have granted these people refugee status to make their lives safer whilst kicking them onto the street which is making it less safe for them than whilst the were asylum seekers. Is it though? Aren’t they fleeing war torn countries? I’d think the streets of England are still safer than a war torn country And beyond that, there’s a housing shortage, shelter isn’t unlimited and the number of immigrants coming in is going to outstrip the ability to house them It’s a lose lose. Turn then away your a monster, let them in but can’t house them your a monster too It's certainly less safe than when they were claiming asylum and being housed in hotels. I agree it's lose lose. " Tents. Good tents though, not cheap ones You can’t just expect to walk into a county and be given a life on a platter Sorry guys, you might need to rough it out in a tent for a bit. More then welcome to return to Syria if it doesn’t suit you | |||
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"Alot of british people have being do that for years i dont see any posts on that. Karen British homelessness crops up quite often. However, the point of the thread was.... We have granted these people refugee status to make their lives safer whilst kicking them onto the street which is making it less safe for them than whilst the were asylum seekers. Is it though? Aren’t they fleeing war torn countries? I’d think the streets of England are still safer than a war torn country And beyond that, there’s a housing shortage, shelter isn’t unlimited and the number of immigrants coming in is going to outstrip the ability to house them It’s a lose lose. Turn then away your a monster, let them in but can’t house them your a monster too It's certainly less safe than when they were claiming asylum and being housed in hotels. I agree it's lose lose. Tents. Good tents though, not cheap ones You can’t just expect to walk into a county and be given a life on a platter Sorry guys, you might need to rough it out in a tent for a bit. More then welcome to return to Syria if it doesn’t suit you" We could create (unused) hospitals overnight for Covid. We can provide shelter, agreed. | |||
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"Alot of british people have being do that for years i dont see any posts on that. Karen British homelessness crops up quite often. However, the point of the thread was.... We have granted these people refugee status to make their lives safer whilst kicking them onto the street which is making it less safe for them than whilst the were asylum seekers. Is it though? Aren’t they fleeing war torn countries? I’d think the streets of England are still safer than a war torn country And beyond that, there’s a housing shortage, shelter isn’t unlimited and the number of immigrants coming in is going to outstrip the ability to house them It’s a lose lose. Turn then away your a monster, let them in but can’t house them your a monster too It's certainly less safe than when they were claiming asylum and being housed in hotels. I agree it's lose lose. Tents. Good tents though, not cheap ones You can’t just expect to walk into a county and be given a life on a platter Sorry guys, you might need to rough it out in a tent for a bit. More then welcome to return to Syria if it doesn’t suit you We could create (unused) hospitals overnight for Covid. We can provide shelter, agreed." Yeah tents Nice tents though | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors? "I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. " I'm rather disappointed that the council has not looked to other councils for help. There seems to be something missing, have they said they don't want to live anywhere else? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt."Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another. What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland? | |||
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"Alot of british people have being do that for years i dont see any posts on that. Karen British homelessness crops up quite often. However, the point of the thread was.... We have granted these people refugee status to make their lives safer whilst kicking them onto the street which is making it less safe for them than whilst the were asylum seekers. Is it though? Aren’t they fleeing war torn countries? I’d think the streets of England are still safer than a war torn country And beyond that, there’s a housing shortage, shelter isn’t unlimited and the number of immigrants coming in is going to outstrip the ability to house them It’s a lose lose. Turn then away your a monster, let them in but can’t house them your a monster too It's certainly less safe than when they were claiming asylum and being housed in hotels. I agree it's lose lose. Tents. Good tents though, not cheap ones You can’t just expect to walk into a county and be given a life on a platter Sorry guys, you might need to rough it out in a tent for a bit. More then welcome to return to Syria if it doesn’t suit you We could create (unused) hospitals overnight for Covid. We can provide shelter, agreed. Yeah tents Nice tents though " I can see headlines like asylum seekers are now glamping | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. I'm rather disappointed that the council has not looked to other councils for help. There seems to be something missing, have they said they don't want to live anywhere else?" Honestly have no idea. I seen something on twitter so went searching and this was what I found. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
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"Alot of british people have being do that for years i dont see any posts on that. Karen British homelessness crops up quite often. However, the point of the thread was.... We have granted these people refugee status to make their lives safer whilst kicking them onto the street which is making it less safe for them than whilst the were asylum seekers. Is it though? Aren’t they fleeing war torn countries? I’d think the streets of England are still safer than a war torn country And beyond that, there’s a housing shortage, shelter isn’t unlimited and the number of immigrants coming in is going to outstrip the ability to house them It’s a lose lose. Turn then away your a monster, let them in but can’t house them your a monster too " You for got house them before uk Bourn your a bigger monster. You can't win ? | |||
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"Alot of british people have being do that for years i dont see any posts on that. Karen British homelessness crops up quite often. However, the point of the thread was.... We have granted these people refugee status to make their lives safer whilst kicking them onto the street which is making it less safe for them than whilst the were asylum seekers. Is it though? Aren’t they fleeing war torn countries? I’d think the streets of England are still safer than a war torn country And beyond that, there’s a housing shortage, shelter isn’t unlimited and the number of immigrants coming in is going to outstrip the ability to house them It’s a lose lose. Turn then away your a monster, let them in but can’t house them your a monster too It's certainly less safe than when they were claiming asylum and being housed in hotels. I agree it's lose lose. Tents. Good tents though, not cheap ones You can’t just expect to walk into a county and be given a life on a platter Sorry guys, you might need to rough it out in a tent for a bit. More then welcome to return to Syria if it doesn’t suit you We could create (unused) hospitals overnight for Covid. We can provide shelter, agreed." And where would you create the shelter. The buildings used for hospital's where closed for covid? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Let's get real for a minute.
If you believe in Government then its more than a bit of dirt that you just happened to be born on. "It’s a bit of dirt that I can settle on just the same as any other bit of dirt that I can settle on. That’s getting real. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
You are showing yourself up, you have perfectly expressed why the “bit of dirt” is important to people in your examples that were meant as a gotcha… have a word with yourself
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"Alot of british people have being do that for years i dont see any posts on that. Karen British homelessness crops up quite often. However, the point of the thread was.... We have granted these people refugee status to make their lives safer whilst kicking them onto the street which is making it less safe for them than whilst the were asylum seekers. Is it though? Aren’t they fleeing war torn countries? I’d think the streets of England are still safer than a war torn country And beyond that, there’s a housing shortage, shelter isn’t unlimited and the number of immigrants coming in is going to outstrip the ability to house them It’s a lose lose. Turn then away your a monster, let them in but can’t house them your a monster too It's certainly less safe than when they were claiming asylum and being housed in hotels. I agree it's lose lose. Tents. Good tents though, not cheap ones You can’t just expect to walk into a county and be given a life on a platter Sorry guys, you might need to rough it out in a tent for a bit. More then welcome to return to Syria if it doesn’t suit you We could create (unused) hospitals overnight for Covid. We can provide shelter, agreed. And where would you create the shelter. The buildings used for hospital's where closed for covid?" Google how many empty buildings we have in the U.K | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Let's get real for a minute.
If you believe in Government then its more than a bit of dirt that you just happened to be born on.
It’s a bit of dirt that I can settle on just the same as any other bit of dirt that I can settle on.
That’s getting real. "It is a bit of dirt that you can settle on. It's unlike any other bit of dirt that you cannot settle on without permission. Those are the rules. You believe in government so you abide by those rules whether you like it or not. I'm actually with you on a borderless world. But the argument that it's just a bit of dirt is nonsense. What you really mean is you'd prefer it was just a bit of dirt without claim. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Why is the UK dirt more pleasing than other dirt if it's all the same."Err. Is it? Pretty certain I’ve sat on nicer bits of dirt elsewhere in the world  | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Why is the UK dirt more pleasing than other dirt if it's all the same."It’s not if your being weird and pretending it’s just dirt If you live in the real world you’ll understand you get a pretty good standard of living here in a very safe country Otherwise people wouldn’t immigrate here | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Why is the UK dirt more pleasing than other dirt if it's all the same.
It’s not if your being weird and pretending it’s just dirt
If you live in the real world you’ll understand you get a pretty good standard of living here in a very safe country
Otherwise people wouldn’t immigrate here "I don’t recall saying we don’t have a decent standard of living here. Can you point out where I said that? My point, which you appear to have missed, is that this island, this land, doesn’t hold any particular or specific fondness or allure to me that would inspire me to fight for it. Nor would a coloured bit of cloth on a flagpole. | |||
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We are all made up of atoms. Dogs are made up of atoms. Dust bins are made up of atoms. Why is one set of atoms better than the other set of atoms? It's because there is a difference between fundamental phenomenon and emergent phenomenon. Emergent phenomenon has meaning, history and sometimes emotions attached with them. That makes one different from the other. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
"Two words. Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Why is the UK dirt more pleasing than other dirt if it's all the same.
It’s not if your being weird and pretending it’s just dirt
If you live in the real world you’ll understand you get a pretty good standard of living here in a very safe country
Otherwise people wouldn’t immigrate here
I don’t recall saying we don’t have a decent standard of living here. Can you point out where I said that?
My point, which you appear to have missed, is that this island, this land, doesn’t hold any particular or specific fondness or allure to me that would inspire me to fight for it. Nor would a coloured bit of cloth on a flagpole. "Wasn’t replying to you | |||
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"Treating nation as just a bit of dirt
We are all made up of atoms. Dogs are made up of atoms. Dust bins are made up of atoms. Why is one set of atoms better than the other set of atoms? It's because there is a difference between fundamental phenomenon and emergent phenomenon. Emergent phenomenon has meaning, history and sometimes emotions attached with them. That makes one different from the other."Better, or different? You’ve used both but they don’t mean the same. Living in the U.K would be different from living in Germany - an equivalent level economically etc - but is one better than the other? Nationalists would argue yes. Based upon their own inherent bias, because they take pride in nonsense (my opinion) like national pride. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt."And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight? | |||
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"Treating nation as just a bit of dirt
We are all made up of atoms. Dogs are made up of atoms. Dust bins are made up of atoms. Why is one set of atoms better than the other set of atoms? It's because there is a difference between fundamental phenomenon and emergent phenomenon. Emergent phenomenon has meaning, history and sometimes emotions attached with them. That makes one different from the other.
Better, or different? You’ve used both but they don’t mean the same.
Living in the U.K would be different from living in Germany - an equivalent level economically etc - but is one better than the other?
Nationalists would argue yes. Based upon their own inherent bias, because they take pride in nonsense (my opinion) like national pride.
"Both better and different. It can be subjective though. Some prefer cats over dogs. Pretty much everyone gives more importance to living things over non living things. Same with countries. I would anyday argue that western countries are better than middle Eastern countries because I value individual liberty. Some religious people might feel the opposite. One could say that they feel all countries are same as they are capable of adapting themselves to live in any country. These are all valid reasons. But "just a bit of dirt" is not a valid reason. By that argument we could all just go down the path of nihilism because everything is just a bunch of atoms and who gives a fuck about atoms? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Let's get real for a minute.
If you believe in Government then its more than a bit of dirt that you just happened to be born on.
It’s a bit of dirt that I can settle on just the same as any other bit of dirt that I can settle on.
That’s getting real. "It's a bit of dirt I agree but you can't "SETTLE" if you are not going to but down roots and defend you home. | |||
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"Alot of british people have being do that for years i dont see any posts on that. Karen British homelessness crops up quite often. However, the point of the thread was.... We have granted these people refugee status to make their lives safer whilst kicking them onto the street which is making it less safe for them than whilst the were asylum seekers. Is it though? Aren’t they fleeing war torn countries? I’d think the streets of England are still safer than a war torn country And beyond that, there’s a housing shortage, shelter isn’t unlimited and the number of immigrants coming in is going to outstrip the ability to house them It’s a lose lose. Turn then away your a monster, let them in but can’t house them your a monster too It's certainly less safe than when they were claiming asylum and being housed in hotels. I agree it's lose lose. Tents. Good tents though, not cheap ones You can’t just expect to walk into a county and be given a life on a platter Sorry guys, you might need to rough it out in a tent for a bit. More then welcome to return to Syria if it doesn’t suit you We could create (unused) hospitals overnight for Covid. We can provide shelter, agreed. And where would you create the shelter. The buildings used for hospital's where closed for covid? Google how many empty buildings we have in the U.K" Lots but they are all owend or un suitable due to condition. There is an ex army camp by me but apparently its not suitable to house asylum seekers. So how would it then be OK for the homeless. Would be like the camp in Kent that hit the news. How meny social homes are empty 34 tonight in East Sussex all having work done all have bids on them from band C up to band A. So no chance for a single guy band E | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight? "I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond. "As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world. Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Umm no. Too many differences.
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
Why are you trying to make someone choose between 2 deaths.
Way to make a point mate "Because it’s important when people want to talk about conscription and being used as a tool of your govt. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
Why are you trying to make someone choose between 2 deaths.
Way to make a point mate
Because it’s important when people want to talk about conscription and being used as a tool of your govt. "It's really not important. You're trying to prove some kind of point by comparing deaths. Whether you agree or not, conscription is a possibility that most of us may face. It'll be sad whoever the fuck dies. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
"It's ok those people were put in jail during ww2 by the politics of the time and were seen as enemies of the state. And still would be now if we had national or conscripted service. Should the ones who do not conscript or run from the shoutie person be allowed to vote in a coutry they do not want to defend from the shoutie person. | |||
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" Short sighted thinking. The more time people spend together, the more they accept and embrace differences. Living in the USA, you should be aware of that more than most. " Do you think someone who wants death penalty for homosexuals and one who is a homosexual would just get on? It works in the US because they have the first and second amendment that while not perfect, allows the individuals to follow their way of life and protect themselves. | |||
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" Do you think someone who wants death penalty for homosexuals and one who is a homosexual would just get on? " Again, short sighted thinking. We’re not talking about a single generation suddenly thrown together, but a multi-generational change. Why do we have less racism in the U.K now than we did in the 50’s? Or less homophobia? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
It's ok those people were put in jail during ww2 by the politics of the time and were seen as enemies of the state.
And still would be now if we had national or conscripted service.
Should the ones who do not conscript or run from the shoutie person be allowed to vote in a coutry they do not want to defend from the shoutie person.
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Umm no. Too many differences.
Short sighted thinking.
The more time people spend together, the more they accept and embrace differences.
Living in the USA, you should be aware of that more than most.
"Try living in a third world country or working in Saudi Arabia. There again you did say dirt not sand the world is to diferant. If you go in to the family section of Mc Donald's as a single guy except to get arrested. Laws in some country's are very different. So borderless will never happen. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Umm no. Too many differences.
Short sighted thinking.
The more time people spend together, the more they accept and embrace differences.
Living in the USA, you should be aware of that more than most.
Try living in a third world country or working in Saudi Arabia. There again you did say dirt not sand the world is to diferant. If you go in to the family section of Mc Donald's as a single guy except to get arrested. Laws in some country's are very different. So borderless will never happen. "They’d have said a borderless Europe would never happen in the early 20th century. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
You are showing yourself up, you have perfectly expressed why the “bit of dirt” is important to people in your examples that were meant as a gotcha… have a word with yourself
No. I didn’t expect you to understand it, tbf.
I can tell you what I have understood about your posts.
I often read your lectures in the forum of how the citizens of the UK can't be trusted to vote the way you think they should. You belittle a UK majority vote and go out of you way to force a near communistic view on every topic you enter into.
You have now posted your distain for the country you live in, the same country you argue everyone should be allowed to simply walk into, illegally or otherwise.
Not good enough for you, and you have the nerve to question how people of the UK vote?
"Have I said anyone should be allowed to simply walk in illegally or otherwise? No. That’s your misunderstanding, once again. Ideally, in a truly borderless world, that would be the case for everyone, everywhere - but that’s many generations away, if ever. And did I post anything disdainful about this country? Again, no I did not. I simply said that I don’t believe in dying for the land that by chance I was born on, or the flag I was born under. You do like to read whatever you want into stuff, don’t you? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
You are showing yourself up, you have perfectly expressed why the “bit of dirt” is important to people in your examples that were meant as a gotcha… have a word with yourself
No. I didn’t expect you to understand it, tbf.
I can tell you what I have understood about your posts.
I often read your lectures in the forum of how the citizens of the UK can't be trusted to vote the way you think they should. You belittle a UK majority vote and go out of you way to force a near communistic view on every topic you enter into.
You have now posted your distain for the country you live in, the same country you argue everyone should be allowed to simply walk into, illegally or otherwise.
Not good enough for you, and you have the nerve to question how people of the UK vote?
Have I said anyone should be allowed to simply walk in illegally or otherwise?
No. That’s your misunderstanding, once again.
Ideally, in a truly borderless world, that would be the case for everyone, everywhere - but that’s many generations away, if ever.
And did I post anything disdainful about this country? Again, no I did not. I simply said that I don’t believe in dying for the land that by chance I was born on, or the flag I was born under.
You do like to read whatever you want into stuff, don’t you? "I deleted my last post because I have realised I'm simply feeding you opportunities to transmit | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
You are showing yourself up, you have perfectly expressed why the “bit of dirt” is important to people in your examples that were meant as a gotcha… have a word with yourself
No. I didn’t expect you to understand it, tbf.
I can tell you what I have understood about your posts.
I often read your lectures in the forum of how the citizens of the UK can't be trusted to vote the way you think they should. You belittle a UK majority vote and go out of you way to force a near communistic view on every topic you enter into.
You have now posted your distain for the country you live in, the same country you argue everyone should be allowed to simply walk into, illegally or otherwise.
Not good enough for you, and you have the nerve to question how people of the UK vote?
Have I said anyone should be allowed to simply walk in illegally or otherwise?
No. That’s your misunderstanding, once again.
Ideally, in a truly borderless world, that would be the case for everyone, everywhere - but that’s many generations away, if ever.
And did I post anything disdainful about this country? Again, no I did not. I simply said that I don’t believe in dying for the land that by chance I was born on, or the flag I was born under.
You do like to read whatever you want into stuff, don’t you?
I deleted my last post because I have realised I'm simply feeding you opportunities to transmit "Given how incorrect it was, I don’t blame you | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
It's ok those people were put in jail during ww2 by the politics of the time and were seen as enemies of the state.
And still would be now if we had national or conscripted service.
Should the ones who do not conscript or run from the shoutie person be allowed to vote in a coutry they do not want to defend from the shoutie person.
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
It's ok those people were put in jail during ww2 by the politics of the time and were seen as enemies of the state.
And still would be now if we had national or conscripted service.
Should the ones who do not conscript or run from the shoutie person be allowed to vote in a coutry they do not want to defend from the shoutie person.
You’ve not answered the question.
When do you answer questions, and being as you are a self proclaimed pacifist you do like confrontation and demands to others, you come across as passive aggressive to me or it could be reflection. "I’m proudly fierce in debate. Being a pacifist doesn’t prevent that. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Umm no. Too many differences.
Short sighted thinking.
The more time people spend together, the more they accept and embrace differences.
Living in the USA, you should be aware of that more than most.
Try living in a third world country or working in Saudi Arabia. There again you did say dirt not sand the world is to diferant. If you go in to the family section of Mc Donald's as a single guy except to get arrested. Laws in some country's are very different. So borderless will never happen.
They’d have said a borderless Europe would never happen in the early 20th century. "Personally I think some countries are so different it won't happen in my life time. You might be happy excepting of places with the death penalty, freedom to arm and loss of limes for crime committed. But Europe was more aline then than the rest of the world is now. Possibly in 100 years the gap might close but it will be 100's years for a total borderless world. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Umm no. Too many differences.
Short sighted thinking.
The more time people spend together, the more they accept and embrace differences.
Living in the USA, you should be aware of that more than most.
Try living in a third world country or working in Saudi Arabia. There again you did say dirt not sand the world is to diferant. If you go in to the family section of Mc Donald's as a single guy except to get arrested. Laws in some country's are very different. So borderless will never happen.
They’d have said a borderless Europe would never happen in the early 20th century.
Personally I think some countries are so different it won't happen in my life time. You might be happy excepting of places with the death penalty, freedom to arm and loss of limes for crime committed. But Europe was more aline then than the rest of the world is now. Possibly in 100 years the gap might close but it will be 100's years for a total borderless world. "No of course it’s not going to happen in anyone’s lifetime here - that’s why I said it has to be the ultimate goal of humanity. Baby steps. Right now humankind is too greedy, too insular and frankly too fragile to deal with it. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
It's ok those people were put in jail during ww2 by the politics of the time and were seen as enemies of the state.
And still would be now if we had national or conscripted service.
Should the ones who do not conscript or run from the shoutie person be allowed to vote in a coutry they do not want to defend from the shoutie person.
You’ve not answered the question.
When do you answer questions, and being as you are a self proclaimed pacifist you do like confrontation and demands to others, you come across as passive aggressive to me or it could be reflection.
I’m proudly fierce in debate. Being a pacifist doesn’t prevent that. "So as a pacifist where are you going to house the homeless. They don't like camps, tents, tower blocks they all want a 3 bed detached house. In the land of silk and honey. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
It's ok those people were put in jail during ww2 by the politics of the time and were seen as enemies of the state.
And still would be now if we had national or conscripted service.
Should the ones who do not conscript or run from the shoutie person be allowed to vote in a coutry they do not want to defend from the shoutie person.
You’ve not answered the question.
When do you answer questions, and being as you are a self proclaimed pacifist you do like confrontation and demands to others, you come across as passive aggressive to me or it could be reflection.
I’m proudly fierce in debate. Being a pacifist doesn’t prevent that.
So as a pacifist where are you going to house the homeless. They don't like camps, tents, tower blocks they all want a 3 bed detached house. In the land of silk and honey."How many homeless have you spoken to on the topic? None of those I’ve spoken to in London demand 3 bed detached houses. Maybe I just chat to the lower end ones. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Umm no. Too many differences.
Short sighted thinking.
The more time people spend together, the more they accept and embrace differences.
Living in the USA, you should be aware of that more than most.
Try living in a third world country or working in Saudi Arabia. There again you did say dirt not sand the world is to diferant. If you go in to the family section of Mc Donald's as a single guy except to get arrested. Laws in some country's are very different. So borderless will never happen.
They’d have said a borderless Europe would never happen in the early 20th century.
Personally I think some countries are so different it won't happen in my life time. You might be happy excepting of places with the death penalty, freedom to arm and loss of limes for crime committed. But Europe was more aline then than the rest of the world is now. Possibly in 100 years the gap might close but it will be 100's years for a total borderless world.
No of course it’s not going to happen in anyone’s lifetime here - that’s why I said it has to be the ultimate goal of humanity. Baby steps.
Right now humankind is too greedy, too insular and frankly too fragile to deal with it. "So realy more an ideology,what I class as a pipe dream. Sum would say cookoo land. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Umm no. Too many differences.
Short sighted thinking.
The more time people spend together, the more they accept and embrace differences.
Living in the USA, you should be aware of that more than most.
Try living in a third world country or working in Saudi Arabia. There again you did say dirt not sand the world is to diferant. If you go in to the family section of Mc Donald's as a single guy except to get arrested. Laws in some country's are very different. So borderless will never happen.
They’d have said a borderless Europe would never happen in the early 20th century.
Personally I think some countries are so different it won't happen in my life time. You might be happy excepting of places with the death penalty, freedom to arm and loss of limes for crime committed. But Europe was more aline then than the rest of the world is now. Possibly in 100 years the gap might close but it will be 100's years for a total borderless world.
No of course it’s not going to happen in anyone’s lifetime here - that’s why I said it has to be the ultimate goal of humanity. Baby steps.
Right now humankind is too greedy, too insular and frankly too fragile to deal with it.
So realy more an ideology,what I class as a pipe dream. Sum would say cookoo land."Mayhap it is. But then so was landing on the moon, or peace in Europe. Should we just become increasingly insular as we’ve done in the past 15-20 years? How does that end? | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
It's ok those people were put in jail during ww2 by the politics of the time and were seen as enemies of the state.
And still would be now if we had national or conscripted service.
Should the ones who do not conscript or run from the shoutie person be allowed to vote in a coutry they do not want to defend from the shoutie person.
You’ve not answered the question.
When do you answer questions, and being as you are a self proclaimed pacifist you do like confrontation and demands to others, you come across as passive aggressive to me or it could be reflection.
I’m proudly fierce in debate. Being a pacifist doesn’t prevent that.
So as a pacifist where are you going to house the homeless. They don't like camps, tents, tower blocks they all want a 3 bed detached house. In the land of silk and honey.
How many homeless have you spoken to on the topic? None of those I’ve spoken to in London demand 3 bed detached houses. Maybe I just chat to the lower end ones. "Most I see homeless in East Sussex already have a home as I have worked in some of them. The few I have spoken with no its hopless so don't dream of anything. But when on the beach at hastings or St Leonards and you speak with them they dream of "big house" you show them pictures of the tower blocks and they look unimpressed. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
It's ok those people were put in jail during ww2 by the politics of the time and were seen as enemies of the state.
And still would be now if we had national or conscripted service.
Should the ones who do not conscript or run from the shoutie person be allowed to vote in a coutry they do not want to defend from the shoutie person.
You’ve not answered the question.
When do you answer questions, and being as you are a self proclaimed pacifist you do like confrontation and demands to others, you come across as passive aggressive to me or it could be reflection.
I’m proudly fierce in debate. Being a pacifist doesn’t prevent that.
So as a pacifist where are you going to house the homeless. They don't like camps, tents, tower blocks they all want a 3 bed detached house. In the land of silk and honey.
How many homeless have you spoken to on the topic? None of those I’ve spoken to in London demand 3 bed detached houses. Maybe I just chat to the lower end ones.
Most I see homeless in East Sussex already have a home as I have worked in some of them. The few I have spoken with no its hopless so don't dream of anything. But when on the beach at hastings or St Leonards and you speak with them they dream of "big house" you show them pictures of the tower blocks and they look unimpressed.
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Umm no. Too many differences.
Short sighted thinking.
The more time people spend together, the more they accept and embrace differences.
Living in the USA, you should be aware of that more than most.
Try living in a third world country or working in Saudi Arabia. There again you did say dirt not sand the world is to diferant. If you go in to the family section of Mc Donald's as a single guy except to get arrested. Laws in some country's are very different. So borderless will never happen.
They’d have said a borderless Europe would never happen in the early 20th century.
Personally I think some countries are so different it won't happen in my life time. You might be happy excepting of places with the death penalty, freedom to arm and loss of limes for crime committed. But Europe was more aline then than the rest of the world is now. Possibly in 100 years the gap might close but it will be 100's years for a total borderless world.
No of course it’s not going to happen in anyone’s lifetime here - that’s why I said it has to be the ultimate goal of humanity. Baby steps.
Right now humankind is too greedy, too insular and frankly too fragile to deal with it.
So realy more an ideology,what I class as a pipe dream. Sum would say cookoo land.
Mayhap it is. But then so was landing on the moon, or peace in Europe.
Should we just become increasingly insular as we’ve done in the past 15-20 years? How does that end?"Personally don't know don't realy care ill be mid 70 so ho gives a shit that is for the younger generations. But you have not said where to home the immigrants and homeless as social housing is falling apart as it is. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
It's ok those people were put in jail during ww2 by the politics of the time and were seen as enemies of the state.
And still would be now if we had national or conscripted service.
Should the ones who do not conscript or run from the shoutie person be allowed to vote in a coutry they do not want to defend from the shoutie person.
You’ve not answered the question.
When do you answer questions, and being as you are a self proclaimed pacifist you do like confrontation and demands to others, you come across as passive aggressive to me or it could be reflection.
I’m proudly fierce in debate. Being a pacifist doesn’t prevent that.
So as a pacifist where are you going to house the homeless. They don't like camps, tents, tower blocks they all want a 3 bed detached house. In the land of silk and honey.
How many homeless have you spoken to on the topic? None of those I’ve spoken to in London demand 3 bed detached houses. Maybe I just chat to the lower end ones.
Most I see homeless in East Sussex already have a home as I have worked in some of them. The few I have spoken with no its hopless so don't dream of anything. But when on the beach at hastings or St Leonards and you speak with them they dream of "big house" you show them pictures of the tower blocks and they look unimpressed.
Of course they do."Spend time on the south coast where they land last week there was a boat land at rye. | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Umm no. Too many differences.
Short sighted thinking.
The more time people spend together, the more they accept and embrace differences.
Living in the USA, you should be aware of that more than most.
Try living in a third world country or working in Saudi Arabia. There again you did say dirt not sand the world is to diferant. If you go in to the family section of Mc Donald's as a single guy except to get arrested. Laws in some country's are very different. So borderless will never happen.
They’d have said a borderless Europe would never happen in the early 20th century.
Personally I think some countries are so different it won't happen in my life time. You might be happy excepting of places with the death penalty, freedom to arm and loss of limes for crime committed. But Europe was more aline then than the rest of the world is now. Possibly in 100 years the gap might close but it will be 100's years for a total borderless world.
No of course it’s not going to happen in anyone’s lifetime here - that’s why I said it has to be the ultimate goal of humanity. Baby steps.
Right now humankind is too greedy, too insular and frankly too fragile to deal with it.
So realy more an ideology,what I class as a pipe dream. Sum would say cookoo land.
Mayhap it is. But then so was landing on the moon, or peace in Europe.
Should we just become increasingly insular as we’ve done in the past 15-20 years? How does that end?
Personally don't know don't realy care ill be mid 70 so ho gives a shit that is for the younger generations.
But you have not said where to home the immigrants and homeless as social housing is falling apart as it is. "That’s because social housing has been ignored by successive governments for 40 years+ We need to think radically. Limit existing home ownership, or make it increasingly unviable to own additional properties beyond 2. Build social housing massively. Investment. Housing is the next big political battleground, given how unlikely it is that millennials and younger will ever own property, whilst gen-x and older see their worth grow and grow. It’s unsustainable | |||
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"https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/my-daughter-called-me-and-i-couldn-t-tell-her-i-was-on-the-9332098/ 2 men have been granted right to remain but the council have nowhere for them to stay. What are we going to do this these people? One fled from Syria because he was drafted into the army and refused. He speaks no English, has no family ties (it would appear) and has no address so can't get a job. Back in Syria they will be deserters and thrown into prison no different in any other country with a defending military. Were that the case, they’d have my sympathy. I’d not serve to fight in a war if there was an escape route available to me either. I’d get my family clear first though. Of course it is the case AWOL is a crime in any military, so if terrorists were threatening your way of life. you would run as fast as your legs could carry you then leaving your fellow people behind to fight for their country, if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I don’t feel the need to fight over a bit of land that I happened by chance to be spawned upon 43 years ago. How do you feel about conscientious objectors? You have been quite objectionable to others on here and fighting for the right of others to enter this country, but you state you have no patriotism.
Not sure of your point.
I believe the ultimate goal for humanity should be a peaceful, borderless world. A world where people don’t fight for flags and dirt. My stance doesn’t contradict that.
Yeah carry on, I'll just start shouting to make the people run from the land, then I would claim it as all mime.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Oh I stand for many things. A flag and the bit of dirt I was born on isn’t one of them.
I find patriotism a strange concept.
While I agree in sentiments about ot fighting for patriotism and the flag etc.
I would draw the line at fighting for my home and family. If you keep running, it will never end..
We have trained and salaried military to fight.
Conscripts fighting conscripts is just poor people being used as tools.
you have painted a very interesting picture.
You are willing to let others do the fighting for you, under the premise of not fighting for a bit of dirt you happen to have been born on.
That bit of dirt that many thousands have given their lives for, to prevent others taking away our land, way of life and what we stand for? That bit of dirt?
Those people choose to join the army and fight, I presume they have their reasons for doing so. (I nearly did at the age of 16 - my reason for doing so was that I didn’t know what else to do with my life) I certainly don’t ask them to. I’d rather they got a better paid job where they didn’t have to risk their lives and didn’t get kicked with no support out after a couple of decades.
And yes. That bit of land that I was born on by pure chance. It’s not something I feel the need to take pride in. I take pride in my achievements, and those of my kids, my family and friends. Not the geographical location upon which by chance I was spawned, nor the flag that flies over it.
I realised in my middle years that I’m a pacifist, and I’m proud of it. If only more were so.
You do tend to like to dig yourself deeper into your holes don't you...
"those people choose to join the army" What? The conscripts of WW1 and WW2 as an example? I will leave it there....
‘You’re happy for others to do the fighting for you’ - We haven’t had conscription since the 1950’s.
What’s your stance on conscientious objectors?
I don't care if you are pacifist and a conscientious objector, however I do care that you treat peoples efforts and what they believe in with respect. You might not care for the country that gave you the opportunities that others are risking their lives to get here for, or have died defending it, and there is a right way and a wrong way to express your thoughts about the bit of dirt.
Nope. It’s a bit of dirt, same as all the other dirt in the world. No more or less valuable. I just happened to be born in this bit and not another.
What about the bits of dirt on which people died defending it from British colonialism? Or the bits that were fought over in civil war in Northern Ireland?
Two words.
Tausendjahriges Reich. we would have another 916 years of it if people did not fight for a bit of dirt.
And going back to my point about conscription - since you brought nazi germany into this - which is more tragic, the death of a 20 year old German conscript who didn’t want to fight, or the death of a 20 year old Brit who didn’t want to fight?
I reckon it would suit you a borderless one germany from greenland to africa to russia and beyond.
As I’ve stated, mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Now, Fancy answering my question about conscription? Which is more tragic? The death of a conscripted German lad who didn’t want to fight, or a conscripted Brit who didn’t want to fight?
mankind’s ultimate goal should be a peaceful, borderless world.
Umm no. Too many differences.
Short sighted thinking.
The more time people spend together, the more they accept and embrace differences.
Living in the USA, you should be aware of that more than most.
Try living in a third world country or working in Saudi Arabia. There again you did say dirt not sand the world is to diferant. If you go in to the family section of Mc Donald's as a single guy except to get arrested. Laws in some country's are very different. So borderless will never happen.
They’d have said a borderless Europe would never happen in the early 20th century.
Personally I think some countries are so different it won't happen in my life time. You might be happy excepting of places with the death penalty, freedom to arm and loss of limes for crime committed. But Europe was more aline then than the rest of the world is now. Possibly in 100 years the gap might close but it will be 100's years for a total borderless world.
No of course it’s not going to happen in anyone’s lifetime here - that’s why I said it has to be the ultimate goal of humanity. Baby steps.
Right now humankind is too greedy, too insular and frankly too fragile to deal with it.
So realy more an ideology,what I class as a pipe dream. Sum would say cookoo land.
Mayhap it is. But then so was landing on the moon, or peace in Europe.
Should we just become increasingly insular as we’ve done in the past 15-20 years? How does that end?
Personally don't know don't realy care ill be mid 70 so ho gives a shit that is for the younger generations.
But you have not said where to home the immigrants and homeless as social housing is falling apart as it is.
That’s because social housing has been ignored by successive governments for 40 years+
We need to think radically. Limit existing home ownership, or make it increasingly unviable to own additional properties beyond 2. Build social housing massively. Investment.
Housing is the next big political battleground, given how unlikely it is that millennials and younger will ever own property, whilst gen-x and older see their worth grow and grow. It’s unsustainable "I'll agree but we need new City's not just the odd bit of building. The last new city was Million keens. We are at a point you that almost every year. May be floating City's next. | |||
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