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"Suella Braverman will deliver a speech saying that being gay or female should not be reason to seek asylum in modern times and consequently should not be a reason to cross the handle. Presumably if you are bi you will be allowed to get half way across. What's going on here guys? It's all over the news "  halfway across - classic! | |||
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"Depending where they come from then being gay or a woman should be a factor considering how they get treated in some of the countries they are fleeing from Although it is a bit weird to reach France then flee to England and say it’s because you’re gay or a woman. France seems pretty safe" They have the right to claim asylum in the country of their choice | |||
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"Depending where they come from then being gay or a woman should be a factor considering how they get treated in some of the countries they are fleeing from Although it is a bit weird to reach France then flee to England and say it’s because you’re gay or a woman. France seems pretty safe They have the right to claim asylum in the country of their choice " I think the rules are that you claim asylum in the first safe country you reach (read that somewhere so could be wrong though). Still don’t get why not France or Germany or Netherlands when all offer a better standard of living. | |||
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"Depending where they come from then being gay or a woman should be a factor considering how they get treated in some of the countries they are fleeing from Although it is a bit weird to reach France then flee to England and say it’s because you’re gay or a woman. France seems pretty safe They have the right to claim asylum in the country of their choice " That's not quite the full picture. “there is nothing in the 1951 Refugee Convention which requires an asylum seeker to lodge a claim for asylum in the first, or indeed any country, they may pass through on their way to the country in which they eventually make a claim for asylum. Equally, there is nothing to prohibit an asylum seeker from lodging a legitimate asylum claim having passed through other 'safe' countries. However, the absence of explicit guidance on this topic in the Refugee Convention gives States some scope to adopt a 'safe third country' approach and seek to remove/readmit an asylum seeker to another country to have their claim considered there. This is the basis for the EU's 'Dublin system'.” | |||
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"Depending where they come from then being gay or a woman should be a factor considering how they get treated in some of the countries they are fleeing from Although it is a bit weird to reach France then flee to England and say it’s because you’re gay or a woman. France seems pretty safe They have the right to claim asylum in the country of their choice I think the rules are that you claim asylum in the first safe country you reach (read that somewhere so could be wrong though). Still don’t get why not France or Germany or Netherlands when all offer a better standard of living. " The UK govt have pushed that line. As far as I know it's not based on fact. "However, there is no rule or principle in international law requiring a person to claim asylum in any particular country. " Amnesty | |||
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When people continue to be killed, imprisoned for years, brutally beaten and where it's illegal to be yourself, then basic intelligence shows that such people are not safe.
Just a little compassion from our leaders would serve the UK people very well. We are a tolerant nation being pushed towards the hateful shame of countries who we have rightly opposed. | |||
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"Depending where they come from then being gay or a woman should be a factor considering how they get treated in some of the countries they are fleeing from Although it is a bit weird to reach France then flee to England and say it’s because you’re gay or a woman. France seems pretty safe They have the right to claim asylum in the country of their choice I think the rules are that you claim asylum in the first safe country you reach (read that somewhere so could be wrong though). Still don’t get why not France or Germany or Netherlands when all offer a better standard of living. The UK govt have pushed that line. As far as I know it's not based on fact. "However, there is no rule or principle in international law requiring a person to claim asylum in any particular country. " Amnesty" Ah so it’s just UK Gov line not the real deal. Makes sense. | |||
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"Being gay is not a choice for fucks sake guys don’t wake up one morning and think ‘you know what I’m gonna suck a dick’ humanity is going backwards, it’s totally a solid reason for asylum, some areas of the world it’s illegal and you are imprisoned or worse" A lot of things in life are not a choice - being born in absolute poverty or the wrong place/time/whatever. You can make a very compelling case for pretty much every “lack of choice” that befalls an individual and it is very difficult to argue against any of them. The end result is that every group on the internet that meets that criteria claims they should have preferential treatment. Whoever disagrees with their interests is seen as the lowest of the low. Emotionally, I support the claims of many of these different groups but I also, emotionally, don’t support others - even though they have the same basic argument. Where do you draw the line? I don’t know but I do know that it needs to be drawn somewhere. | |||
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"Depending where they come from then being gay or a woman should be a factor considering how they get treated in some of the countries they are fleeing from Although it is a bit weird to reach France then flee to England and say it’s because you’re gay or a woman. France seems pretty safe They have the right to claim asylum in the country of their choice " And I have my right to think it’s weird and say if you’re fleeing from France then being gay or a woman shouldn’t be a factor | |||
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"Suella Braverman will deliver a speech saying that being gay or female should not be reason to seek asylum in modern times and consequently should not be a reason to cross the handle. Presumably if you are bi you will be allowed to get half way across. What's going on here guys? It's all over the news " Sweeping statements like hers will always cause controversy, because they don’t represent or seek to represent the very people the laws are there to protect; the genuine and vulnerable ones. And if you’re going to generalise and not treat people as individuals with their own unique circumstances, it’s probably not the right job for you. She just isn’t suited to solving humanitarian issues. | |||
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"Depending where they come from then being gay or a woman should be a factor considering how they get treated in some of the countries they are fleeing from Although it is a bit weird to reach France then flee to England and say it’s because you’re gay or a woman. France seems pretty safe They have the right to claim asylum in the country of their choice And I have my right to think it’s weird and say if you’re fleeing from France then being gay or a woman shouldn’t be a factor " Knock yourself out | |||
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"The race to the bottom with these malicious clowns continues
When people continue to be killed, imprisoned for years, brutally beaten and where it's illegal to be yourself, then basic intelligence shows that such people are not safe.
Just a little compassion from our leaders would serve the UK people very well. We are a tolerant nation being pushed towards the hateful shame of countries who we have rightly opposed. "Have you not worked out why knife crime is prevalent here now, we've imported it with immigration. | |||
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"Braverman talks a good talk but wokers stop her actions, this country is letting far to many Gay & Muslim people in without considering the country we'll end up with. One will not accept the other & tilting our population in any one or two directions is an absolute recipe for disaster. That said plenty of migrants pretending to be Gay or 16yr old. The PC brigade on here need to consider the end game if we continue as we are. " I think you need to worry fat less about someone’s sexuality or religion, most of the problems come from straight non-religious gangsters being let in ! A lot of PC live in very safe middle class areas and think going for a curry once a week and having an Indian doctor for a neighbour in the suburbs is being multicultural. Put them in the council estates where all the trafficked people ,foreign sex workers and Syrian enforcers end up , they might change their minds! | |||
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"Well I mean being gay can get you killed in some countries. So why not if they are from said countries? " As I referred to, so what does that do to our country if we have a much higher than normal gay population? The world works due to its mix but you, like so many won't see the issues until too late if not already. You ignore the moving to the very next country that accepts Gays & just open our doors to volumes. Here in the cheap seats we are suffering the numbers. | |||
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"Well I mean being gay can get you killed in some countries. So why not if they are from said countries? As I referred to, so what does that do to our country if we have a much higher than normal gay population? The world works due to its mix but you, like so many won't see the issues until too late if not already. You ignore the moving to the very next country that accepts Gays & just open our doors to volumes. Here in the cheap seats we are suffering the numbers." OMG not a higher than normal gay population!  whatever will become of Britain! | |||
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"Braverman talks a good talk but wokers stop her actions, this country is letting far to many Gay & Muslim people in without considering the country we'll end up with. One will not accept the other & tilting our population in any one or two directions is an absolute recipe for disaster. That said plenty of migrants pretending to be Gay or 16yr old. The PC brigade on here need to consider the end game if we continue as we are. I think you need to worry fat less about someone’s sexuality or religion, most of the problems come from straight non-religious gangsters being let in ! A lot of PC live in very safe middle class areas and think going for a curry once a week and having an Indian doctor for a neighbour in the suburbs is being multicultural. Put them in the council estates where all the trafficked people ,foreign sex workers and Syrian enforcers end up , they might change their minds! " Interesting point that doesn’t get discussed enough. Find it very funny to see all the surprised liberals when the same middle easterners they wanted in with open arms are now spearheading anti LGBT protests like in Canada this past month. It’s very easy for those with wealth to hide from the problems mass immigration can cause, while labelling anyone that dare discuss the issues as racist We’re sticking our head in the sand because we don’t want to upset anyone | |||
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"Braverman talks a good talk but wokers stop her actions, this country is letting far to many Gay & Muslim people in without considering the country we'll end up with. One will not accept the other & tilting our population in any one or two directions is an absolute recipe for disaster. That said plenty of migrants pretending to be Gay or 16yr old. The PC brigade on here need to consider the end game if we continue as we are. " Oh just think there will be rainbows everywhere and all the men will wear skirts, are you out of your tiny mind, there’s no balance to society and neither does there need to be, too many of a certain type does what exactly, turn your children gay ? No what it does it creates open minded adults who are willing to support the rights of humans because they accept the responsibility of operating together in some level of community, too many far right thinkers creates what exactly, Utopia? No hitler tried that look where it got us, this is a slippery slope and it only goes one way | |||
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"The race to the bottom with these malicious clowns continues
When people continue to be killed, imprisoned for years, brutally beaten and where it's illegal to be yourself, then basic intelligence shows that such people are not safe.
Just a little compassion from our leaders would serve the UK people very well. We are a tolerant nation being pushed towards the hateful shame of countries who we have rightly opposed.
Have you not worked out why knife crime is prevalent here now, we've imported it with immigration."Yes, Famously there was no knife crime in the U.K before immigration  | |||
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"Disappointed but not surprised. " It will only get worse. Run! | |||
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"The race to the bottom with these malicious clowns continues
When people continue to be killed, imprisoned for years, brutally beaten and where it's illegal to be yourself, then basic intelligence shows that such people are not safe.
Just a little compassion from our leaders would serve the UK people very well. We are a tolerant nation being pushed towards the hateful shame of countries who we have rightly opposed.
Have you not worked out why knife crime is prevalent here now, we've imported it with immigration.
Yes, Famously there was no knife crime in the U.K before immigration "It's the small boats. They just turn people into knife happy gheys. | |||
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"Braverman talks a good talk but wokers stop her actions, this country is letting far to many Gay & Muslim people in without considering the country we'll end up with. One will not accept the other & tilting our population in any one or two directions is an absolute recipe for disaster. That said plenty of migrants pretending to be Gay or 16yr old. The PC brigade on here need to consider the end game if we continue as we are. I think you need to worry fat less about someone’s sexuality or religion, most of the problems come from straight non-religious gangsters being let in ! A lot of PC live in very safe middle class areas and think going for a curry once a week and having an Indian doctor for a neighbour in the suburbs is being multicultural. Put them in the council estates where all the trafficked people ,foreign sex workers and Syrian enforcers end up , they might change their minds! " This is completely wrong. People who love in multi cultural neighborhoods and areas are much more open minded and accepting. Just look at the areas that vote UKIP, those are the areas you just described. The least diverse parts of the country. | |||
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"Depending where they come from then being gay or a woman should be a factor considering how they get treated in some of the countries they are fleeing from Although it is a bit weird to reach France then flee to England and say it’s because you’re gay or a woman. France seems pretty safe They have the right to claim asylum in the country of their choice And I have my right to think it’s weird and say if you’re fleeing from France then being gay or a woman shouldn’t be a factor " totally agree once in a safe country those factors shouldn't count. | |||
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"Braverman talks a good talk but wokers stop her actions, this country is letting far to many Gay & Muslim people in without considering the country we'll end up with. One will not accept the other & tilting our population in any one or two directions is an absolute recipe for disaster. That said plenty of migrants pretending to be Gay or 16yr old. The PC brigade on here need to consider the end game if we continue as we are. I think you need to worry fat less about someone’s sexuality or religion, most of the problems come from straight non-religious gangsters being let in ! A lot of PC live in very safe middle class areas and think going for a curry once a week and having an Indian doctor for a neighbour in the suburbs is being multicultural. Put them in the council estates where all the trafficked people ,foreign sex workers and Syrian enforcers end up , they might change their minds! This is completely wrong. People who love in multi cultural neighborhoods and areas are much more open minded and accepting. Just look at the areas that vote UKIP, those are the areas you just described. The least diverse parts of the country. " definitely wrong we have Somalians attacking afro Caribbeans albaninans fighting with Romanians local labour voted in very multicultural as long as you stop in your own area. | |||
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"Braverman talks a good talk but wokers stop her actions, this country is letting far to many Gay & Muslim people in without considering the country we'll end up with. One will not accept the other & tilting our population in any one or two directions is an absolute recipe for disaster. That said plenty of migrants pretending to be Gay or 16yr old. The PC brigade on here need to consider the end game if we continue as we are. I think you need to worry fat less about someone’s sexuality or religion, most of the problems come from straight non-religious gangsters being let in ! A lot of PC live in very safe middle class areas and think going for a curry once a week and having an Indian doctor for a neighbour in the suburbs is being multicultural. Put them in the council estates where all the trafficked people ,foreign sex workers and Syrian enforcers end up , they might change their minds! This is completely wrong. People who love in multi cultural neighborhoods and areas are much more open minded and accepting. " You reckon  ? | |||
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"Braverman talks a good talk but wokers stop her actions, this country is letting far to many Gay & Muslim people in without considering the country we'll end up with. One will not accept the other & tilting our population in any one or two directions is an absolute recipe for disaster. That said plenty of migrants pretending to be Gay or 16yr old. The PC brigade on here need to consider the end game if we continue as we are. I think you need to worry fat less about someone’s sexuality or religion, most of the problems come from straight non-religious gangsters being let in ! A lot of PC live in very safe middle class areas and think going for a curry once a week and having an Indian doctor for a neighbour in the suburbs is being multicultural. Put them in the council estates where all the trafficked people ,foreign sex workers and Syrian enforcers end up , they might change their minds! This is completely wrong. People who love in multi cultural neighborhoods and areas are much more open minded and accepting. You reckon ?"100%. The majority of people who complain about foreigners, and the UKIP strongholds aren't from multicultural areas. People from all cultures get along just fine, the only exception is the culture of bigotry and intolerance. The rest of us do just fine. | |||
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"Braverman talks a good talk but wokers stop her actions, this country is letting far to many Gay & Muslim people in without considering the country we'll end up with. One will not accept the other & tilting our population in any one or two directions is an absolute recipe for disaster. That said plenty of migrants pretending to be Gay or 16yr old. The PC brigade on here need to consider the end game if we continue as we are. I think you need to worry fat less about someone’s sexuality or religion, most of the problems come from straight non-religious gangsters being let in ! A lot of PC live in very safe middle class areas and think going for a curry once a week and having an Indian doctor for a neighbour in the suburbs is being multicultural. Put them in the council estates where all the trafficked people ,foreign sex workers and Syrian enforcers end up , they might change their minds! This is completely wrong. People who love in multi cultural neighborhoods and areas are much more open minded and accepting. Just look at the areas that vote UKIP, those are the areas you just described. The least diverse parts of the country. definitely wrong we have Somalians attacking afro Caribbeans albaninans fighting with Romanians local labour voted in very multicultural as long as you stop in your own area." Ever asked a working age Londoner how they feel about multiculturalism? Or a Bristolian? | |||
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"Still not buying the bull shit argument that people flee France because they are gay." They're not fleeing France. They're fleeing their home country. | |||
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"Still not buying the bull shit argument that people flee France because they are gay. They're not fleeing France. They're fleeing their home country. " You’re wasting your time trying to explain. | |||
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"Braverman talks a good talk but wokers stop her actions, this country is letting far to many Gay & Muslim people in without considering the country we'll end up with. One will not accept the other & tilting our population in any one or two directions is an absolute recipe for disaster. That said plenty of migrants pretending to be Gay or 16yr old. The PC brigade on here need to consider the end game if we continue as we are. I think you need to worry fat less about someone’s sexuality or religion, most of the problems come from straight non-religious gangsters being let in ! A lot of PC live in very safe middle class areas and think going for a curry once a week and having an Indian doctor for a neighbour in the suburbs is being multicultural. Put them in the council estates where all the trafficked people ,foreign sex workers and Syrian enforcers end up , they might change their minds! This is completely wrong. People who love in multi cultural neighborhoods and areas are much more open minded and accepting. Just look at the areas that vote UKIP, those are the areas you just described. The least diverse parts of the country. " It’s not completely wrong. Yes many people in those areas are fine, many aren’t too but they have no choice really, not many choose to live in a ghetto, although sone do choose to stay and control them I’m taking about middle class PC elite who don’t live in those areas, they couldn’t , they don’t understand the impact of uncontrolled immigration | |||
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"Still not buying the bull shit argument that people flee France because they are gay. They're not fleeing France. They're fleeing their home country. You’re wasting your time trying to explain. " Yeah.  | |||
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"Still not buying the bull shit argument that people flee France because they are gay. They're not fleeing France. They're fleeing their home country. " Yes, and they evidently have succeeded in fleeing if they made it through all the other safe countries to France. Let's turn the tables, pretend people start killing whites here. Hypothetically. Where would you flee to? | |||
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"Still not buying the bull shit argument that people flee France because they are gay. They're not fleeing France. They're fleeing their home country. Yes, and they evidently have succeeded in fleeing if they made it through all the other safe countries to France. Let's turn the tables, pretend people start killing whites here. Hypothetically. Where would you flee to?" I’d go to somewhere I have family connections. The only family I have abroad are in Tasmania. | |||
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"Still not buying the bull shit argument that people flee France because they are gay. They're not fleeing France. They're fleeing their home country. Yes, and they evidently have succeeded in fleeing if they made it through all the other safe countries to France. Let's turn the tables, pretend people start killing whites here. Hypothetically. Where would you flee to?" What has the colour of someone’s skin to do with it? | |||
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"What has the colour of someone’s skin to do with it? " The poster was white and humans do kill other people because of their own colour. | |||
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"What has the colour of someone’s skin to do with it? The poster was white and humans do kill other people because of their own colour." The OP was about gay people. You brought race into it. If you really wanted to turn the tables as you said you would have asked where you would go if straight people were being killed. You do realise that Syrians, afghans etc are not being killed by white people? So it’s not a decent comparison. | |||
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"Blah blah blah" . Look who we were quoting then go have a breather. The context we were suggesting was if a person in the UK needed to flee hypothetically for any reason, where would they flee to? | |||
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"The race to the bottom with these malicious clowns continues
When people continue to be killed, imprisoned for years, brutally beaten and where it's illegal to be yourself, then basic intelligence shows that such people are not safe.
Just a little compassion from our leaders would serve the UK people very well. We are a tolerant nation being pushed towards the hateful shame of countries who we have rightly opposed.
Have you not worked out why knife crime is prevalent here now, we've imported it with immigration."Oh here we go | |||
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"Don't get us wrong, these migrants will continue to come illegally and with appalling vetting. It doesn't matter if you're for or against, it will continue to happen. That said, while we accept it we are certainly not going to take part in the absolute lie that they are in any danger in France, or any other European country for that matter. Hence the 'bull shit argument comment." People are not stupid everyone knows why people target UK, it’s better than home simple. Even in Dubai which I think is 100x times better than uk people from Asia figure out how to get there much to the disbelief of uk expats who wonder why , but we have a uk passport and are the lucky ones can choose to live anywhere practically they could lose a job and have to leave so uk is a suck good option for many | |||
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"Don't get us wrong, these migrants will continue to come illegally and with appalling vetting. It doesn't matter if you're for or against, it will continue to happen. That said, while we accept it we are certainly not going to take part in the absolute lie that they are in any danger in France, or any other European country for that matter. Hence the 'bull shit argument comment. People are not stupid everyone knows why people target UK, it’s better than home simple. Even in Dubai which I think is 100x times better than uk people from Asia figure out how to get there much to the disbelief of uk expats who wonder why , but we have a uk passport and are the lucky ones can choose to live anywhere practically they could lose a job and have to leave so uk is a suck good option for many " I do wonder about your fondness for putting down the country where most people in the Lounge live. And where you're from. | |||
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"Braverman talks a good talk but wokers stop her actions, this country is letting far to many Gay & Muslim people in without considering the country we'll end up with. One will not accept the other & tilting our population in any one or two directions is an absolute recipe for disaster. That said plenty of migrants pretending to be Gay or 16yr old. The PC brigade on here need to consider the end game if we continue as we are. I think you need to worry fat less about someone’s sexuality or religion, most of the problems come from straight non-religious gangsters being let in ! A lot of PC live in very safe middle class areas and think going for a curry once a week and having an Indian doctor for a neighbour in the suburbs is being multicultural. Put them in the council estates where all the trafficked people ,foreign sex workers and Syrian enforcers end up , they might change their minds! This is completely wrong. People who love in multi cultural neighborhoods and areas are much more open minded and accepting. Just look at the areas that vote UKIP, those are the areas you just described. The least diverse parts of the country. It’s not completely wrong. Yes many people in those areas are fine, many aren’t too but they have no choice really, not many choose to live in a ghetto, although sone do choose to stay and control them I’m taking about middle class PC elite who don’t live in those areas, they couldn’t , they don’t understand the impact of uncontrolled immigration " There's no such thing as "uncontrolled immigration" in this country. And again, the information tells you that those afraid of foreigners primarily come from the less diverse parts of the country. Of course there is the odd bonehead from everywhere. | |||
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"Don't get us wrong, these migrants will continue to come illegally and with appalling vetting. It doesn't matter if you're for or against, it will continue to happen. That said, while we accept it we are certainly not going to take part in the absolute lie that they are in any danger in France, or any other European country for that matter. Hence the 'bull shit argument comment." Either I've lost the plot or you have. Isn't the discussion about refugees? | |||
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"Have you not worked out why knife crime is prevalent here now, we've imported it with immigration." Jesus Christ - I've read some all-time crap on here, but this...?? This is stone-cold idiocy, loud and proud. Level unlocked, mate. Bravo. | |||
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"Well I mean being gay can get you killed in some countries. So why not if they are from said countries? As I referred to, so what does that do to our country if we have a much higher than normal gay population? The world works due to its mix but you, like so many won't see the issues until too late if not already. You ignore the moving to the very next country that accepts Gays & just open our doors to volumes. Here in the cheap seats we are suffering the numbers." Oh come on. It’s not going to be that drastic an increase, do tell what you think is the problem with an increase in the gay population? I’m pretty sure there are more straight than gay people in the world. | |||
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"Have you not worked out why knife crime is prevalent here now, we've imported it with immigration. Jesus Christ - I've read some all-time crap on here, but this...?? This is stone-cold idiocy, loud and proud. Level unlocked, mate. Bravo." Welcome to Fab. | |||
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"Have you not worked out why knife crime is prevalent here now, we've imported it with immigration. Jesus Christ - I've read some all-time crap on here, but this...?? This is stone-cold idiocy, loud and proud. Level unlocked, mate. Bravo. Welcome to Fab." ...cheers, but long time listener, and all that - reasoned debate, right?  | |||
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"Depending where they come from then being gay or a woman should be a factor considering how they get treated in some of the countries they are fleeing from Although it is a bit weird to reach France then flee to England and say it’s because you’re gay or a woman. France seems pretty safe They have the right to claim asylum in the country of their choice I think the rules are that you claim asylum in the first safe country you reach (read that somewhere so could be wrong though). Still don’t get why not France or Germany or Netherlands when all offer a better standard of living. " Better standard of living but less supportive of asylum seekers. | |||
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"Suella Braverman will deliver a speech saying that being gay or female should not be reason to seek asylum in modern times and consequently should not be a reason to cross the handle. Presumably if you are bi you will be allowed to get half way across. What's going on here guys? It's all over the news " Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room." That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other. | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other." lol I was curious about that vetting process | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other." They have to prove they're not safe surely, not that they're gay | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room." "That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other." "They have to prove they're not safe surely, not that they're gay" That bit's easy. Assuming that they come from a country where homosexuality is illegal, they just show their passport. If they claim to be gay, the UK has no way to tell if they are a genuine refugee, or someone just trying it on. | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other. lol I was curious about that vetting process " Guess you liked that lol | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other. They have to prove they're not safe surely, not that they're gay That bit's easy. Assuming that they come from a country where homosexuality is illegal, they just show their passport. If they claim to be gay, the UK has no way to tell if they are a genuine refugee, or someone just trying it on." Or show them gay porn see if they get excited guess easier with men.. | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other. They have to prove they're not safe surely, not that they're gay That bit's easy. Assuming that they come from a country where homosexuality is illegal, they just show their passport. If they claim to be gay, the UK has no way to tell if they are a genuine refugee, or someone just trying it on. Or show them gay porn see if they get excited guess easier with men.." Please stop. | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other. They have to prove they're not safe surely, not that they're gay That bit's easy. Assuming that they come from a country where homosexuality is illegal, they just show their passport. If they claim to be gay, the UK has no way to tell if they are a genuine refugee, or someone just trying it on." Actually it’s the other way around… they have to show there lives would be in danger if they were sent back…. The UK basically telling the world that you are gay where it is illegal will probably do that! It could be something as simple as being outed at work or by family…. Imagine living in a country where if you say you are gay to the wrong person, it could end up being your life on the line……. | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other. They have to prove they're not safe surely, not that they're gay That bit's easy. Assuming that they come from a country where homosexuality is illegal, they just show their passport. If they claim to be gay, the UK has no way to tell if they are a genuine refugee, or someone just trying it on. Actually it’s the other way around… they have to show there lives would be in danger if they were sent back…. The UK basically telling the world that you are gay where it is illegal will probably do that! It could be something as simple as being outed at work or by family…. Imagine living in a country where if you say you are gay to the wrong person, it could end up being your life on the line……." The cruelty is the point. This is just the Tories throwing red meat to the base. | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other. They have to prove they're not safe surely, not that they're gay That bit's easy. Assuming that they come from a country where homosexuality is illegal, they just show their passport. If they claim to be gay, the UK has no way to tell if they are a genuine refugee, or someone just trying it on. Or show them gay porn see if they get excited guess easier with men.. Please stop. " Just think it an abuse of a system so if 100 men per week turn up in boats and say there gay your happy as a tax payer to fot the bill for 100 rooms plus meals for 2 years or more when there are ex vetrans and others homeless on the streets No wonder we as a country are spending so much on this. And most want a home of there own. But if a guy in the UK is kicked out of an abuse if relationship he is on the street without a pot to piss in. | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other. They have to prove they're not safe surely, not that they're gay That bit's easy. Assuming that they come from a country where homosexuality is illegal, they just show their passport. If they claim to be gay, the UK has no way to tell if they are a genuine refugee, or someone just trying it on. Actually it’s the other way around… they have to show there lives would be in danger if they were sent back…. The UK basically telling the world that you are gay where it is illegal will probably do that! It could be something as simple as being outed at work or by family…. Imagine living in a country where if you say you are gay to the wrong person, it could end up being your life on the line……." I can understand that being gay in a country that persecuted them is horrible but could a non gay person from the same country come to the UK and claim asylum by saying they are gay and that back home their in danger if found out? | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other. They have to prove they're not safe surely, not that they're gay That bit's easy. Assuming that they come from a country where homosexuality is illegal, they just show their passport. If they claim to be gay, the UK has no way to tell if they are a genuine refugee, or someone just trying it on. Actually it’s the other way around… they have to show there lives would be in danger if they were sent back…. The UK basically telling the world that you are gay where it is illegal will probably do that! It could be something as simple as being outed at work or by family…. Imagine living in a country where if you say you are gay to the wrong person, it could end up being your life on the line……. The cruelty is the point. This is just the Tories throwing red meat to the base. " Are they? We have sanctuary cities complaining about the inundation of migrants. Let's hear your solution to housing . I think your Tories are doing the proper thing. Take care of your own first. | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other. They have to prove they're not safe surely, not that they're gay That bit's easy. Assuming that they come from a country where homosexuality is illegal, they just show their passport. If they claim to be gay, the UK has no way to tell if they are a genuine refugee, or someone just trying it on. Actually it’s the other way around… they have to show there lives would be in danger if they were sent back…. The UK basically telling the world that you are gay where it is illegal will probably do that! It could be something as simple as being outed at work or by family…. Imagine living in a country where if you say you are gay to the wrong person, it could end up being your life on the line……. I can understand that being gay in a country that persecuted them is horrible but could a non gay person from the same country come to the UK and claim asylum by saying they are gay and that back home their in danger if found out?" Too simplistic.. that makes it sound like it’s easier said than done…. Most people who flee for their lives being gay aren’t the ones coming in on boats… they are coming in on a plane and claiming asylum there and then at the airport at first opportunity, or are going to an embassy or consulate and claiming asylum and protection there before leaving The current situation with people coming in across the channel is a red herring to this conversation | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other." People aren't granted asylum solely because they are gay though. They are expected to provide evidence of their sexuality and experience from the country that they have escaped from. . Countries where they may be subject to the death penalty, where governments are often aggressively hostile, aren't the types of places that many people are able, or are confident, about being openly LGBTQ,and they're thus not so likely to have acquired lots of evidence, required for submission to the Home Office . Funnily enough, claims from gay people don't number above 1% of claims anyway, despite feigned worries from some others about millions of gay people coming here.
We're a decent people in the UK. We just have been saddled with some caustic fuckwits, fully morally bankrupt and inept fuckwits, who probably shouldn't be employed in any public service role. They've let hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers wait in limbo, many having escaped the cruellest of conditions and dealt with scorn and full contempt, as some politicians use them, to desperately try to cling onto their own power.
We're better than they are. But it's the lowlife in the political cesspit of their own creation that we don't deserve to have around us. | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other. People aren't granted asylum solely because they are gay though. They are expected to provide evidence of their sexuality and experience from the country that they have escaped from. . Countries where they may be subject to the death penalty, where governments are often aggressively hostile, aren't the types of places that many people are able, or are confident, about being openly LGBTQ,and they're thus not so likely to have acquired lots of evidence, required for submission to the Home Office . Funnily enough, claims from gay people don't number above 1% of claims anyway, despite feigned worries from some others about millions of gay people coming here.
We're a decent people in the UK. We just have been saddled with some caustic fuckwits, fully morally bankrupt and inept fuckwits, who probably shouldn't be employed in any public service role. They've let hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers wait in limbo, many having escaped the cruellest of conditions and dealt with scorn and full contempt, as some politicians use them, to desperately try to cling onto their own power.
We're better than they are. But it's the lowlife in the political cesspit of their own creation that we don't deserve to have around us. "how are you going to house and take care of them again ? UK has one of the highest homelessness per capita. What is your solution? Your solution is let them in and exasperate a situation. | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other. People aren't granted asylum solely because they are gay though. They are expected to provide evidence of their sexuality and experience from the country that they have escaped from. . Countries where they may be subject to the death penalty, where governments are often aggressively hostile, aren't the types of places that many people are able, or are confident, about being openly LGBTQ,and they're thus not so likely to have acquired lots of evidence, required for submission to the Home Office . Funnily enough, claims from gay people don't number above 1% of claims anyway, despite feigned worries from some others about millions of gay people coming here.
We're a decent people in the UK. We just have been saddled with some caustic fuckwits, fully morally bankrupt and inept fuckwits, who probably shouldn't be employed in any public service role. They've let hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers wait in limbo, many having escaped the cruellest of conditions and dealt with scorn and full contempt, as some politicians use them, to desperately try to cling onto their own power.
We're better than they are. But it's the lowlife in the political cesspit of their own creation that we don't deserve to have around us. "OK so let's say all in the system are genuine and are granted asylum where are we going to house them lots don't speak English can they work or just go on benefits etc. | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other. People aren't granted asylum solely because they are gay though. They are expected to provide evidence of their sexuality and experience from the country that they have escaped from. . Countries where they may be subject to the death penalty, where governments are often aggressively hostile, aren't the types of places that many people are able, or are confident, about being openly LGBTQ,and they're thus not so likely to have acquired lots of evidence, required for submission to the Home Office . Funnily enough, claims from gay people don't number above 1% of claims anyway, despite feigned worries from some others about millions of gay people coming here.
We're a decent people in the UK. We just have been saddled with some caustic fuckwits, fully morally bankrupt and inept fuckwits, who probably shouldn't be employed in any public service role. They've let hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers wait in limbo, many having escaped the cruellest of conditions and dealt with scorn and full contempt, as some politicians use them, to desperately try to cling onto their own power.
We're better than they are. But it's the lowlife in the political cesspit of their own creation that we don't deserve to have around us. how are you going to house and take care of them again ? UK has one of the highest homelessness per capita. What is your solution? Your solution is let them in and exasperate a situation. "Expand the YMCA | |||
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"On a swinger website why are straight men worrying about too many gays coming to the UK? Surely it ups their chances with the ladies "I don't think it's the gay part as op suggested. I thinks it's the migrant crisis. It's the same here. Don't you agree? | |||
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"On a swinger website why are straight men worrying about too many gays coming to the UK? Surely it ups their chances with the ladies I don't think it's the gay part as op suggested. I thinks it's the migrant crisis. It's the same here. Don't you agree? "There are posts in this thread that specifically talk about too many gays coming here. | |||
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"There is no "migrant crisis"." Really here it is.https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/22/nyc-shelters-migrants-discourage-new-arrivals-00117500 | |||
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"On a swinger website why are straight men worrying about too many gays coming to the UK? Surely it ups their chances with the ladies I don't think it's the gay part as op suggested. I thinks it's the migrant crisis. It's the same here. Don't you agree?
There are posts in this thread that specifically talk about too many gays coming here."From a mayor from a sanctuary city are you fine with them homeless being on the streets during brutal winters ? NYC gets horrendous conditions. | |||
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"On a swinger website why are straight men worrying about too many gays coming to the UK? Surely it ups their chances with the ladies I don't think it's the gay part as op suggested. I thinks it's the migrant crisis. It's the same here. Don't you agree?
There are posts in this thread that specifically talk about too many gays coming here. From a mayor from a sanctuary city are you fine with them homeless being on the streets during brutal winters ? NYC gets horrendous conditions."I have no idea what your reply has to do with people in this thread saying too many gays are coming to the UK? | |||
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"On a swinger website why are straight men worrying about too many gays coming to the UK? Surely it ups their chances with the ladies I don't think it's the gay part as op suggested. I thinks it's the migrant crisis. It's the same here. Don't you agree?
There are posts in this thread that specifically talk about too many gays coming here. From a mayor from a sanctuary city are you fine with them homeless being on the streets during brutal winters ? NYC gets horrendous conditions.
I have no idea what your reply has to do with people in this thread saying too many gays are coming to the UK?"It has everything to do with it. What is your vetting process again? Enlighten me. | |||
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"On a swinger website why are straight men worrying about too many gays coming to the UK? Surely it ups their chances with the ladies I don't think it's the gay part as op suggested. I thinks it's the migrant crisis. It's the same here. Don't you agree?
There are posts in this thread that specifically talk about too many gays coming here. From a mayor from a sanctuary city are you fine with them homeless being on the streets during brutal winters ? NYC gets horrendous conditions.
I have no idea what your reply has to do with people in this thread saying too many gays are coming to the UK? It has everything to do with it. What is your vetting process again? Enlighten me."Why is the person being gay a problem for the host country? Why would someone say there are too many gays coming into the country? I could understand the pov if they said too many migrants but they specifically said too many gays. Why? | |||
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"Do they have to prove they are gay 1. Kiss another of the same sex. 2. Lick suck someone of the same sex 3. Penetrate someone of the same sex. 4. Be penetrated Just curious ?? Or is it an esey out I'm guy so can't Shere a room with men I have to have my own room. That's one of the problems we have with people seeking asylum on the basis that they're gay. It's not possible to prove it, one way or the other. People aren't granted asylum solely because they are gay though. They are expected to provide evidence of their sexuality and experience from the country that they have escaped from. . Countries where they may be subject to the death penalty, where governments are often aggressively hostile, aren't the types of places that many people are able, or are confident, about being openly LGBTQ,and they're thus not so likely to have acquired lots of evidence, required for submission to the Home Office . Funnily enough, claims from gay people don't number above 1% of claims anyway, despite feigned worries from some others about millions of gay people coming here.
We're a decent people in the UK. We just have been saddled with some caustic fuckwits, fully morally bankrupt and inept fuckwits, who probably shouldn't be employed in any public service role. They've let hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers wait in limbo, many having escaped the cruellest of conditions and dealt with scorn and full contempt, as some politicians use them, to desperately try to cling onto their own power.
We're better than they are. But it's the lowlife in the political cesspit of their own creation that we don't deserve to have around us.
OK so let's say all in the system are genuine and are granted asylum where are we going to house them lots don't speak English can they work or just go on benefits etc. "The government are partly to blame here… 606,000 people came here last year… let’s take out the “safe and legal routes to immigration “… the two major places are Hong Kong.. of which 75,000 came here last year, and Ukraine of which 115,000 come in So that counts for 1/3 of those figures As the person in front of me said.. about 1% of those applying for asylum are doing so on the reason they are gay… so you are talking about sue ellen picking on about 6-7000 people | |||
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"You can tell when this thread moved to politics. While we have a good and sometimes heated debates here, some of the earlier comments remind me there are some scary views out here. Being female or gay a reason to claim asylum. Never has been. It's fear of persecution that is needed. If braverman truly doesn't know that she shouldn't be in her job. If she does know that and says it anyway, it's worrying what her agenda is. I can believe it is to incite the vitriol above, fueling the anti-refugee hatred while also allowing good ol fashioned homophobia to be expressed. Can't be letting in the Muslim and the Gays. Ruining the country. We didn't have gayness and knife crime before this. Now, I don't agree with many conservative views, especially at the moment. But I'd like to think that if my party (which I don't have) was playing these games, I'd call it out. It is a shame how much it has seemed to be ignored and how quick we have moved on to first safe countries, race and religion, and the usual other topics. She's treated the electorate like Pavlovian dogs. And we have responded accordingly. " So what is the vetting process? A simple answer. | |||
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"People lie every day to get what they want.Make me understand the vetting process for someone claiming they are gay? To me it's not fair to actual citizens that are who benefit from a society. " They have to produce material evidence with their claims for asylum on the basis of being gay, for example threats of prison or actual prison records | |||
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"You can tell when this thread moved to politics. While we have a good and sometimes heated debates here, some of the earlier comments remind me there are some scary views out here. Being female or gay a reason to claim asylum. Never has been. It's fear of persecution that is needed. If braverman truly doesn't know that she shouldn't be in her job. If she does know that and says it anyway, it's worrying what her agenda is. I can believe it is to incite the vitriol above, fueling the anti-refugee hatred while also allowing good ol fashioned homophobia to be expressed. Can't be letting in the Muslim and the Gays. Ruining the country. We didn't have gayness and knife crime before this. Now, I don't agree with many conservative views, especially at the moment. But I'd like to think that if my party (which I don't have) was playing these games, I'd call it out. It is a shame how much it has seemed to be ignored and how quick we have moved on to first safe countries, race and religion, and the usual other topics. She's treated the electorate like Pavlovian dogs. And we have responded accordingly. So what is the vetting process? A simple answer." You didn’t answer why being gay was an issue for the host country! | |||
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"You can tell when this thread moved to politics. While we have a good and sometimes heated debates here, some of the earlier comments remind me there are some scary views out here. Being female or gay a reason to claim asylum. Never has been. It's fear of persecution that is needed. If braverman truly doesn't know that she shouldn't be in her job. If she does know that and says it anyway, it's worrying what her agenda is. I can believe it is to incite the vitriol above, fueling the anti-refugee hatred while also allowing good ol fashioned homophobia to be expressed. Can't be letting in the Muslim and the Gays. Ruining the country. We didn't have gayness and knife crime before this. Now, I don't agree with many conservative views, especially at the moment. But I'd like to think that if my party (which I don't have) was playing these games, I'd call it out. It is a shame how much it has seemed to be ignored and how quick we have moved on to first safe countries, race and religion, and the usual other topics. She's treated the electorate like Pavlovian dogs. And we have responded accordingly. So what is the vetting process? A simple answer." for what ? Seeing if someone has a valid claim and is being persecuted in a different country? Honestly, I don't know the detail. I doubt it's a simple answer given our waiting lists. But I'm willing to bet that it's more than "state your sex and sexuality". But I would also ask back, why was that the question you asked ? I'm talking about politcians making untrue statements to flame the public. (I'm sure someone will point out that she didn't say that this is the current process and that the current process should be changed. In which case, why say anything?) | |||
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"People lie every day to get what they want.Make me understand the vetting process for someone claiming they are gay? To me it's not fair to actual citizens that are who benefit from a society. They have to produce material evidence with their claims for asylum on the basis of being gay, for example threats of prison or actual prison records " How do the prove that again ? When most governments in the Middle East are hostile twords western ideals? | |||
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"You can tell when this thread moved to politics. While we have a good and sometimes heated debates here, some of the earlier comments remind me there are some scary views out here. Being female or gay a reason to claim asylum. Never has been. It's fear of persecution that is needed. If braverman truly doesn't know that she shouldn't be in her job. If she does know that and says it anyway, it's worrying what her agenda is. I can believe it is to incite the vitriol above, fueling the anti-refugee hatred while also allowing good ol fashioned homophobia to be expressed. Can't be letting in the Muslim and the Gays. Ruining the country. We didn't have gayness and knife crime before this. Now, I don't agree with many conservative views, especially at the moment. But I'd like to think that if my party (which I don't have) was playing these games, I'd call it out. It is a shame how much it has seemed to be ignored and how quick we have moved on to first safe countries, race and religion, and the usual other topics. She's treated the electorate like Pavlovian dogs. And we have responded accordingly. So what is the vetting process? A simple answer.for what ? Seeing if someone has a valid claim and is being persecuted in a different country? Honestly, I don't know the detail. I doubt it's a simple answer given our waiting lists. But I'm willing to bet that it's more than "state your sex and sexuality". But I would also ask back, why was that the question you asked ? I'm talking about politcians making untrue statements to flame the public. (I'm sure someone will point out that she didn't say that this is the current process and that the current process should be changed. In which case, why say anything?) " She’s playing to the base emotions of prejudice, this time focusing on homophobia. | |||
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" (I'm sure someone will point out that she didn't say that this is the current process and that the current process should be changed. In which case, why say anything?) " She said that countries should not be bound by the 1951 convention on how to treat asylum seekers and countries should ignore them…. Which is why she got the rebuke from UNHCR Why is she doing it…. Notice she did it in New York where she is going to say it isn’t official policy…. But she is setting herself up for another Tory party leadership run when Rishi inevitably loses the next election | |||
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"You can tell when this thread moved to politics. While we have a good and sometimes heated debates here, some of the earlier comments remind me there are some scary views out here. Being female or gay a reason to claim asylum. Never has been. It's fear of persecution that is needed. If braverman truly doesn't know that she shouldn't be in her job. If she does know that and says it anyway, it's worrying what her agenda is. I can believe it is to incite the vitriol above, fueling the anti-refugee hatred while also allowing good ol fashioned homophobia to be expressed. Can't be letting in the Muslim and the Gays. Ruining the country. We didn't have gayness and knife crime before this. Now, I don't agree with many conservative views, especially at the moment. But I'd like to think that if my party (which I don't have) was playing these games, I'd call it out. It is a shame how much it has seemed to be ignored and how quick we have moved on to first safe countries, race and religion, and the usual other topics. She's treated the electorate like Pavlovian dogs. And we have responded accordingly. So what is the vetting process? A simple answer.for what ? Seeing if someone has a valid claim and is being persecuted in a different country? Honestly, I don't know the detail. I doubt it's a simple answer given our waiting lists. But I'm willing to bet that it's more than "state your sex and sexuality". But I would also ask back, why was that the question you asked ? I'm talking about politcians making untrue statements to flame the public. (I'm sure someone will point out that she didn't say that this is the current process and that the current process should be changed. In which case, why say anything?) She’s playing to the base emotions of prejudice, this time focusing on homophobia." Again the vetting your solution...Quit dancing around a subject. | |||
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" (I'm sure someone will point out that she didn't say that this is the current process and that the current process should be changed. In which case, why say anything?) She said that countries should not be bound by the 1951 convention on how to treat asylum seekers and countries should ignore them…. Which is why she got the rebuke from UNHCR Why is she doing it…. Notice she did it in New York where she is going to say it isn’t official policy…. But she is setting herself up for another Tory party leadership run when Rishi inevitably loses the next election " Explain Adams in NYC then.Same situation. | |||
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"People lie every day to get what they want.Make me understand the vetting process for someone claiming they are gay? To me it's not fair to actual citizens that are who benefit from a society. They have to produce material evidence with their claims for asylum on the basis of being gay, for example threats of prison or actual prison records How do the prove that again ? When most governments in the Middle East are hostile twords western ideals? " Do you know how many staff work at foreign embassies and consulates… you’d be surprised at some of the times they can investigate with regards to asylum claims or backup people’s claims | |||
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"I will add, of she is seeing cases in the UK where the bar is just discrimation, then it would be right and appropriate to cite these. We can then make our own decisions if the bar is too low. Maybe I have jumped too quickly and have judges her based on other statements made by her peers that have been untrue and then seeing some of the comments in this thread. " There is no case of asylum being granted based on heresy of being gay . They have always needed material evidence to back up their claims | |||
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"People lie every day to get what they want.Make me understand the vetting process for someone claiming they are gay? To me it's not fair to actual citizens that are who benefit from a society. They have to produce material evidence with their claims for asylum on the basis of being gay, for example threats of prison or actual prison records How do the prove that again ? When most governments in the Middle East are hostile twords western ideals? Do you know how many staff work at foreign embassies and consulates… you’d be surprised at some of the times they can investigate with regards to asylum claims or backup people’s claims " Lol you are ridiculous. Do you know how many Afghans that were taken in unvetted during the withdrawal? I do do you think the Taliban would cooperate with Western governments ? Nope. | |||
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"You can tell when this thread moved to politics. While we have a good and sometimes heated debates here, some of the earlier comments remind me there are some scary views out here. Being female or gay a reason to claim asylum. Never has been. It's fear of persecution that is needed. If braverman truly doesn't know that she shouldn't be in her job. If she does know that and says it anyway, it's worrying what her agenda is. I can believe it is to incite the vitriol above, fueling the anti-refugee hatred while also allowing good ol fashioned homophobia to be expressed. Can't be letting in the Muslim and the Gays. Ruining the country. We didn't have gayness and knife crime before this. Now, I don't agree with many conservative views, especially at the moment. But I'd like to think that if my party (which I don't have) was playing these games, I'd call it out. It is a shame how much it has seemed to be ignored and how quick we have moved on to first safe countries, race and religion, and the usual other topics. She's treated the electorate like Pavlovian dogs. And we have responded accordingly. So what is the vetting process? A simple answer.for what ? Seeing if someone has a valid claim and is being persecuted in a different country? Honestly, I don't know the detail. I doubt it's a simple answer given our waiting lists. But I'm willing to bet that it's more than "state your sex and sexuality". But I would also ask back, why was that the question you asked ? I'm talking about politcians making untrue statements to flame the public. (I'm sure someone will point out that she didn't say that this is the current process and that the current process should be changed. In which case, why say anything?) She’s playing to the base emotions of prejudice, this time focusing on homophobia. Again the vetting your solution...Quit dancing around a subject. " You didn’t answer my question. Someone else has answered your question. | |||
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"I will add, of she is seeing cases in the UK where the bar is just discrimation, then it would be right and appropriate to cite these. We can then make our own decisions if the bar is too low. Maybe I have jumped too quickly and have judges her based on other statements made by her peers that have been untrue and then seeing some of the comments in this thread. There is no case of asylum being granted based on heresy of being gay . They have always needed material evidence to back up their claims " to be clear, it's a case where asylum was granted because of fear of discrimination, rather than fear of persecution. Eg the consequences of being gay (or female) not the fact. | |||
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"I will add, of she is seeing cases in the UK where the bar is just discrimation, then it would be right and appropriate to cite these. We can then make our own decisions if the bar is too low. Maybe I have jumped too quickly and have judges her based on other statements made by her peers that have been untrue and then seeing some of the comments in this thread. There is no case of asylum being granted based on heresy of being gay . They have always needed material evidence to back up their claims to be clear, it's a case where asylum was granted because of fear of discrimination, rather than fear of persecution. Eg the consequences of being gay (or female) not the fact. " So you trust other governments approval? Again what is the vetting you haven't answered. Let me be clear. What is the UK vetting process for someone being gay from a hostile nation to gain access to benefit from the UK society? Think. | |||
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"People lie every day to get what they want.Make me understand the vetting process for someone claiming they are gay? To me it's not fair to actual citizens that are who benefit from a society. They have to produce material evidence with their claims for asylum on the basis of being gay, for example threats of prison or actual prison records How do the prove that again ? When most governments in the Middle East are hostile twords western ideals? Do you know how many staff work at foreign embassies and consulates… you’d be surprised at some of the times they can investigate with regards to asylum claims or backup people’s claims Lol you are ridiculous. Do you know how many Afghans that were taken in unvetted during the withdrawal? I do do you think the Taliban would cooperate with Western governments ? Nope." Didn’t the Taliban negotiate with your boy Trump? | |||
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"People lie every day to get what they want.Make me understand the vetting process for someone claiming they are gay? To me it's not fair to actual citizens that are who benefit from a society. They have to produce material evidence with their claims for asylum on the basis of being gay, for example threats of prison or actual prison records How do the prove that again ? When most governments in the Middle East are hostile twords western ideals? Do you know how many staff work at foreign embassies and consulates… you’d be surprised at some of the times they can investigate with regards to asylum claims or backup people’s claims Lol you are ridiculous. Do you know how many Afghans that were taken in unvetted during the withdrawal? I do do you think the Taliban would cooperate with Western governments ? Nope. Didn’t the Taliban negotiate with your boy Trump?" who was in charge of the withdrawal again? Enlighten me ? I'll wait. | |||
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"People lie every day to get what they want.Make me understand the vetting process for someone claiming they are gay? To me it's not fair to actual citizens that are who benefit from a society. They have to produce material evidence with their claims for asylum on the basis of being gay, for example threats of prison or actual prison records How do the prove that again ? When most governments in the Middle East are hostile twords western ideals? Do you know how many staff work at foreign embassies and consulates… you’d be surprised at some of the times they can investigate with regards to asylum claims or backup people’s claims Lol you are ridiculous. Do you know how many Afghans that were taken in unvetted during the withdrawal? I do do you think the Taliban would cooperate with Western governments ? Nope. Didn’t the Taliban negotiate with your boy Trump? who was in charge of the withdrawal again? Enlighten me ? I'll wait." Trump gave the go ahead to take out a top it's Iranian general and the battle of Conoco fields. Did you forget those 2 important standpoints.I admit Biden has Ukraine yet how much do we need to spend when the rest of the world spends so little. I would rather see that money be invested into the Hawaiian fires for them to recover or any other disaster. Not sending billions overseas. | |||
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"Braverman and her fans in the tory party have no interest in stopping the migration problem. Who would they point the fingers at if it was solved...? The single mothers and the disabled who don't work again..?" So what is labours solution? | |||
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"Braverman and her fans in the tory party have no interest in stopping the migration problem. Who would they point the fingers at if it was solved...? The single mothers and the disabled who don't work again..? So what is labours solution?" Am not a Labour representative. Your asking the wrong person. But maybe spending money on processing quicker so none eligibles are returned quicker would be a starting point. Instead of weekly dog whistling to thier base. | |||
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"Braverman and her fans in the tory party have no interest in stopping the migration problem. Who would they point the fingers at if it was solved...? The single mothers and the disabled who don't work again..? So what is labours solution? Am not a Labour representative. Your asking the wrong person. But maybe spending money on processing quicker so none eligibles are returned quicker would be a starting point. Instead of weekly dog whistling to thier base." So adding more people to exasperating situation solves what? What is the breaking point? | |||
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"Why is the person being gay a problem for the host country? Why would someone say there are too many gays coming into the country? I could understand the pov if they said too many migrants but they specifically said too many gays. Why?" Who said that? I don't see anyone in this thread saying that there are too many gays coming to this country. I see people saying that there are too many people coming here, pretending to be gay as an excuse to claim asylum. Where have you seen anyone who "specifically said too many gays". | |||
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"Braverman and her fans in the tory party have no interest in stopping the migration problem. Who would they point the fingers at if it was solved...? The single mothers and the disabled who don't work again..? So what is labours solution? Am not a Labour representative. Your asking the wrong person. But maybe spending money on processing quicker so none eligibles are returned quicker would be a starting point. Instead of weekly dog whistling to thier base. So adding more people to exasperating situation solves what? What is the breaking point?" Adding more people...? What are you talking about. My point was about processing the backlog of people already here quickly and sending back the rejects. | |||
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"Why is the person being gay a problem for the host country? Why would someone say there are too many gays coming into the country? I could understand the pov if they said too many migrants but they specifically said too many gays. Why? Who said that? I don't see anyone in this thread saying that there are too many gays coming to this country. I see people saying that there are too many people coming here, pretending to be gay as an excuse to claim asylum. Where have you seen anyone who "specifically said too many gays"." I suggest you read the thread again... "Braverman talks a good talk but wokers stop her actions, this country is letting far to many Gay & Muslim people in without considering the country we'll end up with." | |||
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"Why is the person being gay a problem for the host country? Why would someone say there are too many gays coming into the country? I could understand the pov if they said too many migrants but they specifically said too many gays. Why?" "Who said that? I don't see anyone in this thread saying that there are too many gays coming to this country. I see people saying that there are too many people coming here, pretending to be gay as an excuse to claim asylum. Where have you seen anyone who "specifically said too many gays"." "I suggest you read the thread again... "Braverman talks a good talk but wokers stop her actions, this country is letting far to many Gay & Muslim people in without considering the country we'll end up with." " Oh yes. I did re-read the thread before I posted, but apparently my brain edited that part out. I would point out that there's only one person saying that, but then I agree that one person saying it is too many. | |||
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"People lie every day to get what they want.Make me understand the vetting process for someone claiming they are gay? To me it's not fair to actual citizens that are who benefit from a society. " No-one here will know how the "vetting process" works in reality. What the criteria are. How decisions are made. Seriously why would you expect folk on a swinging website to have the inside knowledge on this. The discussion is about principles. In this country. Not yours. | |||
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"Why is the person being gay a problem for the host country? Why would someone say there are too many gays coming into the country? I could understand the pov if they said too many migrants but they specifically said too many gays. Why? Who said that? I don't see anyone in this thread saying that there are too many gays coming to this country. I see people saying that there are too many people coming here, pretending to be gay as an excuse to claim asylum. Where have you seen anyone who "specifically said too many gays". I suggest you read the thread again... "Braverman talks a good talk but wokers stop her actions, this country is letting far to many Gay & Muslim people in without considering the country we'll end up with." Oh yes. I did re-read the thread before I posted, but apparently my brain edited that part out. I would point out that there's only one person saying that, but then I agree that one person saying it is too many." So what if it was only one person. How does that change anything? You’ve been poor at posting lately. Accusing people of lying then refusing to apologise. Claiming things in this thread that turn out to be incorrect seemingly just to have a dig. Previously in other threads demanding evidence from people to support their opinions yet failing to provide any evidence to support your opinions and then when challenged on that accusing people of toxic masculinity. Are you ok? | |||
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"Not one of you actually gave a process. So how do you know their intentions again? " See… whatever I say is not going to placate you, and there is so much I want to say but I can’t All I will say is this… embassies and consulates are more than just an ambassador swanning about All I can say is that there are interviews upon interviews and investigations upon investigations happening before any is granted asylum | |||
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"Why is the person being gay a problem for the host country? Why would someone say there are too many gays coming into the country? I could understand the pov if they said too many migrants but they specifically said too many gays. Why? Who said that? I don't see anyone in this thread saying that there are too many gays coming to this country. I see people saying that there are too many people coming here, pretending to be gay as an excuse to claim asylum. Where have you seen anyone who "specifically said too many gays"." The amount of people using the reason for asylum you are citing is just over 1% of all claims She picked an easy target to a not very aware general public to whip up a storm | |||
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"So what if it was only one person. How does that change anything? You’ve been poor at posting lately. Accusing people of lying then refusing to apologise. Claiming things in this thread that turn out to be incorrect seemingly just to have a dig. Previously in other threads demanding evidence from people to support their opinions yet failing to provide any evidence to support your opinions and then when challenged on that accusing people of toxic masculinity. Are you ok?" I'm fine thanks. I'm happy to explain at length via PM if you want, but I think everyone has had enough of us bickering and cluttering up the threads. | |||
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"So what if it was only one person. How does that change anything? You’ve been poor at posting lately. Accusing people of lying then refusing to apologise. Claiming things in this thread that turn out to be incorrect seemingly just to have a dig. Previously in other threads demanding evidence from people to support their opinions yet failing to provide any evidence to support your opinions and then when challenged on that accusing people of toxic masculinity. Are you ok? I'm fine thanks. I'm happy to explain at length via PM if you want, but I think everyone has had enough of us bickering and cluttering up the threads." Feel free to PM but then in these threads stop trying to have a dig. You had no need to challenge me in this thread and was then proven wrong anyway. The “bickering” started with you. | |||
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" (I'm sure someone will point out that she didn't say that this is the current process and that the current process should be changed. In which case, why say anything?) She said that countries should not be bound by the 1951 convention on how to treat asylum seekers and countries should ignore them…. Which is why she got the rebuke from UNHCR Why is she doing it…. Notice she did it in New York where she is going to say it isn’t official policy…. But she is setting herself up for another Tory party leadership run when Rishi inevitably loses the next election " Setting herself up to fail if she is real life trolling (stirring up shit for refugees and the such like), hopefully. | |||
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"Import the 3rd world turn into the 3rd world.. Its that simple " We’ve been taking large numbers of immigrants from India since the 1950’s and 60’s. Have we become a 3rd world nation? If not, when can we expect the change to be complete? | |||
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"Import the 3rd world turn into the 3rd world.. Its that simple " How're you about receiving medical care from someone from a third world country? | |||
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"Import the 3rd world turn into the 3rd world.. Its that simple How're you about receiving medical care from someone from a third world country? " Yes sorry I forget all the boat people are drs, lawyers, etc... | |||
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"Import the 3rd world turn into the 3rd world.. Its that simple How're you about receiving medical care from someone from a third world country? Yes sorry I forget all the boat people are drs, lawyers, etc... " So now you’re happy to receive immigrants from the third world after all, so long as they serve a purpose? That’s fair enough - are you ready to retract your original statement? | |||
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"Fucking gays Coming over here, breeding and adding to the already booming population. oh. Hang on... " | |||
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"Import the 3rd world turn into the 3rd world.. Its that simple How're you about receiving medical care from someone from a third world country? Yes sorry I forget all the boat people are drs, lawyers, etc... " Your delightful assumption is that they cannot be, I guess. | |||
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"Import the 3rd world turn into the 3rd world.. Its that simple " does this apply to all immigration or just refugees ? | |||
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