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By *otMe66 OP   Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Why would anyone want to do a job so tough? Stepping into danger, putting their life at risk and then sold out when they do their job.

This story is not exclusive to the met or being armed, the police officer who was following the young lads on an e-bike who lost their lives, is facing criminal charges for dangerous driving.

The police get a lot of bad press and are under the spotlight due to some really awful officers who deserve to be in jail. However, it does feel to me officers who are going about the duties they have been asked to provide are now simple scapegoats.

Braverman has stepped into this and is calling out the need for support for officers who need to make difficult decisions, and I fully expect the name calling and hostility to begin now she has taken such a stance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s not a job I’d fancy. We need a small number of armed police, who should be (and are) highly trained and capable. My hat goes off to each and every one of them - they have to make life or death decisions in the heat of the moment.

Does that mean they should be above the law? No. And that’s why it’s not a job for Joe average.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s not a job I’d fancy. We need a small number of armed police, who should be (and are) highly trained and capable. My hat goes off to each and every one of them - they have to make life or death decisions in the heat of the moment.

Does that mean they should be above the law? No. And that’s why it’s not a job for Joe average. "
I don't usually have much time for the police but this is definitely a job that needs respect.i for one believe it's a job with so much pressure I totally understand why some are saying they won't carry on the guy should have stopped when asked after that it's in is hands he lost the officer shouldn't even be questioned if he was told to stop him if it gets to court im sure he'll be not guilty.

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By *otMe66 OP   Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma


"It’s not a job I’d fancy. We need a small number of armed police, who should be (and are) highly trained and capable. My hat goes off to each and every one of them - they have to make life or death decisions in the heat of the moment.

Does that mean they should be above the law? No. And that’s why it’s not a job for Joe average. "

They are far from being above the law at this moment in time, they are scapegoats used by senior officers to appease communities.

I totally understand them handing in their firearms permits, and when the level of policing takes yet another downward turn, who will be shocked?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s not a job I’d fancy. We need a small number of armed police, who should be (and are) highly trained and capable. My hat goes off to each and every one of them - they have to make life or death decisions in the heat of the moment.

Does that mean they should be above the law? No. And that’s why it’s not a job for Joe average.

They are far from being above the law at this moment in time, they are scapegoats used by senior officers to appease communities.

I totally understand them handing in their firearms permits, and when the level of policing takes yet another downward turn, who will be shocked?"

Firearms police constitute such a small percentage of the police force, their existence doesn’t have a particularly high impact upon crime levels.

The swingeing cuts aimed at the force as a whole in the past decade has had a far greater impact.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Who needs that shit?

That officer was doing his job. Did he get it wrong? Possibly. Did he go out that evening with intent to kill or even shoot? Highly unlikely.

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By *otMe66 OP   Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma


"It’s not a job I’d fancy. We need a small number of armed police, who should be (and are) highly trained and capable. My hat goes off to each and every one of them - they have to make life or death decisions in the heat of the moment.

Does that mean they should be above the law? No. And that’s why it’s not a job for Joe average.

They are far from being above the law at this moment in time, they are scapegoats used by senior officers to appease communities.

I totally understand them handing in their firearms permits, and when the level of policing takes yet another downward turn, who will be shocked?

Firearms police constitute such a small percentage of the police force, their existence doesn’t have a particularly high impact upon crime levels.

The swingeing cuts aimed at the force as a whole in the past decade has had a far greater impact. "

I did mention in the op that this not exclusive to firearms officers

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"Why would anyone want to do a job so tough? Stepping into danger, putting their life at risk and then sold out when they do their job.

This story is not exclusive to the met or being armed, the police officer who was following the young lads on an e-bike who lost their lives, is facing criminal charges for dangerous driving.

The police get a lot of bad press and are under the spotlight due to some really awful officers who deserve to be in jail. However, it does feel to me officers who are going about the duties they have been asked to provide are now simple scapegoats.

Braverman has stepped into this and is calling out the need for support for officers who need to make difficult decisions, and I fully expect the name calling and hostility to begin now she has taken such a stance. "

This is a topic that I am undecided on. There are so many factors for each case of this nature that it's very hard to make rules for.

I can understand why they feel like they don't want to do their job if they are risking a life sentence for murder or manslaughter. But there is obviously not a carte blanché to shoot anyone they want.

I have to ignore Braverman getting involved because she has such abhorrent views I don't want to automatically be put off the side of the argument she lands on.

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By *esYesOMGYes!Man
over a year ago

M20

They chose a job with responsibilities

That job has rules to protect them and us.

If they break the rules they should face the consequences.

I don’t see it being more complicated than this.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

I have to say that I don't see the problem here. I'm assuming that there are some irregularities in the story, which is why the CPS feels that it should go to court. If the officer followed all the rules, then he'll be found not guilty. If he didn't follow the rules, then he deserves to be in court.

I suggest we all wait until the evidence gets presented before making up our minds over whether he's guilty or not.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"I have to say that I don't see the problem here. I'm assuming that there are some irregularities in the story, which is why the CPS feels that it should go to court. If the officer followed all the rules, then he'll be found not guilty. If he didn't follow the rules, then he deserves to be in court.

I suggest we all wait until the evidence gets presented before making up our minds over whether he's guilty or not."

Have known arm response officers and lots has changed over the years. It use to be shoot to stop, but because of suicide bombers and the number of guns on the streets "Training" changed to shoot to kill under pressure traning takes over as you don't have time to think, But in this case a tazer might have been more appropriate. But it's up to the courts to determine that and did this officer have that resource avaliable.

But its not a job I could or would want to do.

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By *mateur100Man
over a year ago

nr faversham


"I have to say that I don't see the problem here. I'm assuming that there are some irregularities in the story, which is why the CPS feels that it should go to court. If the officer followed all the rules, then he'll be found not guilty. If he didn't follow the rules, then he deserves to be in court.

I suggest we all wait until the evidence gets presented before making up our minds over whether he's guilty or not."

I agree but it's almost impossible not to form an opinion beforehand the facts are known.

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By *mateur100Man
over a year ago

nr faversham


"They chose a job with responsibilities

That job has rules to protect them and us.

If they break the rules they should face the consequences.

I don’t see it being more complicated than this.

"

Thankfully these people, along with all of those others within the emergency services, choose to do a job that the vast majority don't have the guts or capability to do... myself included. Assuming the officer has followed orders or directions, he should be supported

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach


"I have to say that I don't see the problem here. I'm assuming that there are some irregularities in the story, which is why the CPS feels that it should go to court. If the officer followed all the rules, then he'll be found not guilty. If he didn't follow the rules, then he deserves to be in court.

I suggest we all wait until the evidence gets presented before making up our minds over whether he's guilty or not."


"I agree but it's almost impossible not to form an opinion beforehand the facts are known."

Speak for yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those in leadership positions of authorities and authorised bodies are cowardly box tickers. A whiff of anything wrong and they fall over themselves to make sure nothing comes back to them. That's all that's happened here and it's resulted in some poor sod being thrown under the bus.

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By *enSiskoMan
over a year ago

Cestus 3

License to kill.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's a saying " with great power, comes great responsibility ".

What greater power can you have than have the fate of someone's life in your hands. If there is no accountability, what is to stop criminals hiring armed police to carry out extrajudicial hits for them. Or infiltrating the units themselves.

The law is there to stop this happening and to investigate dodgy incidents. There are very few incidents in reality where the police have been charged. So its quite a high bar.

Also Braverman and Sunak should not be commenting on a case that is pending. Their putting political pressure on a favourable outcome.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

Police get blamed for any event or incident that goes badly regardless of the cause. Surprised anybody does the job tbh.

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By *trueceltMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Sympathy for the guys who chose carrying guns as a career? Utmost respect, but sympathy no?

feelings of sympathy for armed enforcers? liberty is never taken away, it is given away.

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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago

Reading

Perhaps those on here who think police job easy , not with risk. Near me not long ago a police officer died ? . After being dragged along for about a mile behind a vehicle. Check the sentences of those taken to court.

On another thread on forums about speed limits . Forum members are saying that cars / drivers kill people. Yet how does that equate to a driver not stopping when stopped by police , trying to escape etc. The car becomes a weapon then same as a gun ?

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/29/met-police-officer-shot-gangster-faces-misconduct-hearing/

Public inquiry already concluded. Lawful killing was the finding but IOPC want gross misconduct.

I'm not really too sure how an officer who was cleared with a lawful killing could have been guilty gross misconduct.

Does anyone have anything else on this?

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By *otMe66 OP   Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

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By *otMe66 OP   Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma


"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/29/met-police-officer-shot-gangster-faces-misconduct-hearing/

Public inquiry already concluded. Lawful killing was the finding but IOPC want gross misconduct.

I'm not really too sure how an officer who was cleared with a lawful killing could have been guilty gross misconduct.

Does anyone have anything else on this?"

They are jokers, they throw an armed officer under the bus, over a villain trying to jail break another crook! He is cleared and they still want him out, and after the near revolt last week of armed officers, their timing is as well thought out as this decision.

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By *esYesOMGYes!Man
over a year ago

M20


"Perhaps those on here who think police job easy , not with risk. Near me not long ago a police officer died ? . After being dragged along for about a mile behind a vehicle. Check the sentences of those taken to court.

On another thread on forums about speed limits . Forum members are saying that cars / drivers kill people. Yet how does that equate to a driver not stopping when stopped by police , trying to escape etc. The car becomes a weapon then same as a gun ? "

Did you know that if a police car tries to pull you over, you have every right to not stop if you feel vulnerable.

You have the choice to drive to a police station with them following you.

You don’t have to communicate this to the car trying to pull you over.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth


"Perhaps those on here who think police job easy , not with risk. Near me not long ago a police officer died ? . After being dragged along for about a mile behind a vehicle. Check the sentences of those taken to court.

On another thread on forums about speed limits . Forum members are saying that cars / drivers kill people. Yet how does that equate to a driver not stopping when stopped by police , trying to escape etc. The car becomes a weapon then same as a gun ?

Did you know that if a police car tries to pull you over, you have every right to not stop if you feel vulnerable.

You have the choice to drive to a police station with them following you.

You don’t have to communicate this to the car trying to pull you over.

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That is only for unmarked cars.

Regardless of that. I'd say if police is marked vehicles execute a tactical stop on you, then stop. It's really simple.

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

It's important that anyone carry a gun to enforce the law does so in a lawful manner, carrying a gun and potentially using it, is not an easy burden.

We have laws in this land covering manslaughter and murder and no one can be above it, whether it criminal, billionnare, armed forces or police person.

We had a shoot to kill policy in the UK some 30 years ago and it did nothing to quell anger and violence.

As this policeman has been charged, we have to remember your CPS brought the charges as an independant body, so they feel their is a case to answer.

Policemen or women are not above the laws of the land and if anything the recent MET, sexual assault and murder cases only prove one thing. Their vetting process I'd not fit for purpose.

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