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"Depending on policy but probably conservative as been very good since they got in locally just pity on national " Yes - a difficult choice when a local politician performs well and does well for his constituency. | |||
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"Public services are in such a dire state due to the tories I think labour will take it. Unfortunately reeves as chancellor is inadequate, she says all the funding will come from economic growth, uk already forecast bottom G7. Think she will be found out as a no mark very shortly in office. Starmer will promise this and that but have no money to actually achieve much. There will be no stealth tax’s under labour Reeves says so where will she get the money. " You should revisit those 'forecasts' with real figures  | |||
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"My constituency is safe from having a Tory MP. So I can vote for whomever I want based on policy, morals, etc. Previous I lived places where you had to vote for whomever had the best chance against the incumbent Conservative." I read this a lot and to be honest it baffles me. People would vote anything other than conservative. The 2 main parties are so close to the middle it blows my mind that anyone would throw a vote to a party with no manifesto or strategy for leading the country. What a strange place to be, the cut of ones cloth is all it takes for some I guess | |||
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"I wouldn't vote for any one. I would be tempted to vote for Labour but would want to see their policies. Ideally for me currently a hung parliament. No chance of a government. And both major parties re elect new leaders. SKS really needs to start making some concrete proposals and election pledges" SkS a Walter Mitty Told Khan to reflect on Ulez as it cost them Uxbridge? Then the high court judge supported khan making sks look a clown. He’s been quiet on climate change since as he sees it a vote loser Where are Labour getting the Money to invest in public services. | |||
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"At this point, there isn't much difference between Tories and Labour when it comes to policies. Will vote Labour because hopefully they are at least a little bit better when it comes to governance, which is not a high bar. The Tories need some time out and do some proper clear out, the way SKS did with Labour. My only fear is that the likes of Corbyn and his supporters may get some influence after Labour wins the election." No need to worry, no one offing any meaningful change will be allowed anywhere near power. | |||
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"My constituency is safe from having a Tory MP. So I can vote for whomever I want based on policy, morals, etc. Previous I lived places where you had to vote for whomever had the best chance against the incumbent Conservative. I read this a lot and to be honest it baffles me. People would vote anything other than conservative. The 2 main parties are so close to the middle it blows my mind that anyone would throw a vote to a party with no manifesto or strategy for leading the country. What a strange place to be, the cut of ones cloth is all it takes for some I guess " I agree there's very little difference between the two main parties. I guess people hope that Labour will either offer some kind of meaningful change after getting into power or will be less corrupt and self serving. As mentioned, the Tories will never get in where I live now, so i will vote for someone other than Labour. | |||
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"My constituency is safe from having a Tory MP. So I can vote for whomever I want based on policy, morals, etc. Previous I lived places where you had to vote for whomever had the best chance against the incumbent Conservative. I read this a lot and to be honest it baffles me. People would vote anything other than conservative. The 2 main parties are so close to the middle it blows my mind that anyone would throw a vote to a party with no manifesto or strategy for leading the country. What a strange place to be, the cut of ones cloth is all it takes for some I guess I agree there's very little difference between the two main parties. I guess people hope that Labour will either offer some kind of meaningful change after getting into power or will be less corrupt and self serving. As mentioned, the Tories will never get in where I live now, so i will vote for someone other than Labour. " Do you support a specific party, or is it a best fit? | |||
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"My constituency is safe from having a Tory MP. So I can vote for whomever I want based on policy, morals, etc. Previous I lived places where you had to vote for whomever had the best chance against the incumbent Conservative. I read this a lot and to be honest it baffles me. People would vote anything other than conservative. The 2 main parties are so close to the middle it blows my mind that anyone would throw a vote to a party with no manifesto or strategy for leading the country. What a strange place to be, the cut of ones cloth is all it takes for some I guess " Voting to oust the incumbent rather than for a party that matches your politics is an integral issue with FPTP. | |||
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"My constituency is safe from having a Tory MP. So I can vote for whomever I want based on policy, morals, etc. Previous I lived places where you had to vote for whomever had the best chance against the incumbent Conservative. I read this a lot and to be honest it baffles me. People would vote anything other than conservative. The 2 main parties are so close to the middle it blows my mind that anyone would throw a vote to a party with no manifesto or strategy for leading the country. What a strange place to be, the cut of ones cloth is all it takes for some I guess I agree there's very little difference between the two main parties. I guess people hope that Labour will either offer some kind of meaningful change after getting into power or will be less corrupt and self serving. As mentioned, the Tories will never get in where I live now, so i will vote for someone other than Labour. Do you support a specific party, or is it a best fit?" I've voted either best fit or to keep the Tory out. I don't belong to any party as my views don't align with any one party. And I see variations between candidates as something to take into consideration too. | |||
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"My constituency is safe from having a Tory MP. So I can vote for whomever I want based on policy, morals, etc. Previous I lived places where you had to vote for whomever had the best chance against the incumbent Conservative. I read this a lot and to be honest it baffles me. People would vote anything other than conservative. The 2 main parties are so close to the middle it blows my mind that anyone would throw a vote to a party with no manifesto or strategy for leading the country. What a strange place to be, the cut of ones cloth is all it takes for some I guess I agree there's very little difference between the two main parties. I guess people hope that Labour will either offer some kind of meaningful change after getting into power or will be less corrupt and self serving. As mentioned, the Tories will never get in where I live now, so i will vote for someone other than Labour. Do you support a specific party, or is it a best fit? I've voted either best fit or to keep the Tory out. I don't belong to any party as my views don't align with any one party. And I see variations between candidates as something to take into consideration too. "  | |||
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"At this point, there isn't much difference between Tories and Labour when it comes to policies. Will vote Labour because hopefully they are at least a little bit better when it comes to governance, which is not a high bar. The Tories need some time out and do some proper clear out, the way SKS did with Labour. My only fear is that the likes of Corbyn and his supporters may get some influence after Labour wins the election. No need to worry, no one offing any meaningful change will be allowed anywhere near power." Change for the sake of change is usually much more destructive. | |||
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"I have come to the realisation that the media outlets are suggesting that Labour will be next in power. For me this is the way politics has been driven all of my lifetime, one or the other, how do we stop this? To answer your question, I will write on my ballot paper "none of you are fit for purpose"." Sadly, whilst understandable, this is ineffective and helps only the incumbent. | |||
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"I have come to the realisation that the media outlets are suggesting that Labour will be next in power. For me this is the way politics has been driven all of my lifetime, one or the other, how do we stop this?" At least youre another person who's beginning to see the walls. 
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"I have come to the realisation that the media outlets are suggesting that Labour will be next in power. For me this is the way politics has been driven all of my lifetime, one or the other, how do we stop this? At least youre another person who's beginning to see the walls.
The only way for real change would be through a very large popular political movement or more likely through a private army."Perhaps the media are reporting what is being seen through various polls and is correct in that Labour are the current favourites given the performance of the Tories but perhaps I am too easily led and the Tory party are in fact the favourites to lead the next government. Personally I would prefer that we ends up with a Coalition government running the country - probably Labour and Liberal. | |||
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"I have come to the realisation that the media outlets are suggesting that Labour will be next in power. For me this is the way politics has been driven all of my lifetime, one or the other, how do we stop this? At least youre another person who's beginning to see the walls.
The only way for real change would be through a very large popular political movement or more likely through a private army.
Perhaps the media are reporting what is being seen through various polls and is correct in that Labour are the current favourites given the performance of the Tories but perhaps I am too easily led and the Tory party are in fact the favourites to lead the next government.
Personally I would prefer that we ends up with a Coalition government running the country - probably Labour and Liberal.
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"its depressing to think that whoever gets in little to nothing will change.i have never voted tory and never will but labour have done nothing to convince me to vote for them either "I'm very much in the same boat. They have moved further right with every announcement. At present they don't seem to be offering anything radically different, which isn't going to change anything. I will probably vote Green as they at least have policies I believe will actually improve things. I expect Labour will will, I would rather they did not win with a huge majority so they can do what they like with no come back (this is not good for anyone in my opinion). | |||
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"I have come to the realisation that the media outlets are suggesting that Labour will be next in power. For me this is the way politics has been driven all of my lifetime, one or the other, how do we stop this? At least youre another person who's beginning to see the walls.
The only way for real change would be through a very large popular political movement or more likely through a private army.
Perhaps the media are reporting what is being seen through various polls and is correct in that Labour are the current favourites given the performance of the Tories but perhaps I am too easily led and the Tory party are in fact the favourites to lead the next government.
Personally I would prefer that we ends up with a Coalition government running the country - probably Labour and Liberal.
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"Just reread the original question and will have to change my answer of 'unlikely to be Labour' to it won't be Labour as realised we are being asked if the GE was tomorrow and Labour have yet to say what they will do when they win" Has any party published their manifesto yet? | |||
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"Just reread the original question and will have to change my answer of 'unlikely to be Labour' to it won't be Labour as realised we are being asked if the GE was tomorrow and Labour have yet to say what they will do when they win Has any party published their manifesto yet?" I don't need the Tories to publish theirs to know I won't vote for them this time. What I do need is to know what Labour intend. It doesn't have to be a full blown manifesto. At the moment all I hear is that they will be slightly better than the Tories and that's if you believe them not to flip on that | |||
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"Just reread the original question and will have to change my answer of 'unlikely to be Labour' to it won't be Labour as realised we are being asked if the GE was tomorrow and Labour have yet to say what they will do when they win Has any party published their manifesto yet? I don't need the Tories to publish theirs to know I won't vote for them this time. What I do need is to know what Labour intend. It doesn't have to be a full blown manifesto. At the moment all I hear is that they will be slightly better than the Tories and that's if you believe them not to flip on that " It looks like Labour Manifesto will be mostly similar to Tories, with minor differences. Labour narrative will be that they can actually deliver what they promise, unlike the Tories. | |||
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"Just reread the original question and will have to change my answer of 'unlikely to be Labour' to it won't be Labour as realised we are being asked if the GE was tomorrow and Labour have yet to say what they will do when they win Has any party published their manifesto yet? I don't need the Tories to publish theirs to know I won't vote for them this time. What I do need is to know what Labour intend. It doesn't have to be a full blown manifesto. At the moment all I hear is that they will be slightly better than the Tories and that's if you believe them not to flip on that It looks like Labour Manifesto will be mostly similar to Tories, with minor differences. Labour narrative will be that they can actually deliver what they promise, unlike the Tories." Seems like Labour are shifting closer and closer to the Tories as the election approaches. | |||
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole " They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. | |||
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. " Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc. At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all. Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better? | |||
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc. " Labour are starting to distance themselves from any policies that would help British people, and are moving towards more the Tory model of representing big corporations and oil companies. " At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all. Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?" I agree that would be nice. But I don't think it would get them elected. Last time they had a leader who wanted to bring about change he was, after his initial surge in popularity, destroyed by a long sustained media campaign. | |||
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc. Labour are starting to distance themselves from any policies that would help British people, and are moving towards more the Tory model of representing big corporations and oil companies. At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all. Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better? I agree that would be nice. But I don't think it would get them elected. Last time they had a leader who wanted to bring about change he was, after his initial surge in popularity, destroyed by a long sustained media campaign." Though it was more the sabotage from his own team, and Starmer forcing the second Brexit vote that really did for him. In 2017 when they were going to "honour" the referendum vote, they kept their leave constituencies. In 2019 they lost 40 odd of them... | |||
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc. Labour are starting to distance themselves from any policies that would help British people, and are moving towards more the Tory model of representing big corporations and oil companies. At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all. Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better? I agree that would be nice. But I don't think it would get them elected. Last time they had a leader who wanted to bring about change he was, after his initial surge in popularity, destroyed by a long sustained media campaign. Though it was more the sabotage from his own team, and Starmer forcing the second Brexit vote that really did for him. In 2017 when they were going to "honour" the referendum vote, they kept their leave constituencies. In 2019 they lost 40 odd of them..." The sabotage came after. If you're interested. Media Lens (excellent website that analyses the way the media works and reports things) has an article "The Campaign To Stop Corbyn – Smears, Racism And Censorship 22nd July 2019" They lost seats in the 2019 election for a number of reasons. One of which was the smear campaign against a leader who was offering change. | |||
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc. At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all. Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?" Looks like I am one of the 20 million then. And I see no one to vote for. Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted. | |||
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc. At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all. Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better? Looks like I am one of the 20 million then. And I see no one to vote for. Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted. " We get an even more unrepresentative parliament! A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted. It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters. At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice... | |||
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc. At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all. Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better? Looks like I am one of the 20 million then. And I see no one to vote for. Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted. We get an even more unrepresentative parliament! A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted. It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters. At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice..." I think the pepple who choose not to register to vote realised a long time ago that politics do not solve the problems but creates them. | |||
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc. At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all. Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better? Looks like I am one of the 20 million then. And I see no one to vote for. Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted. We get an even more unrepresentative parliament! A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted. It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters. At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice... I think the pepple who choose not to register to vote realised a long time ago that politics do not solve the problems but creates them. " Possibly, but we have no other mechanism. How do you propose changing government (both national and local) policy, without voting? Protest won't work, just get you arrested at present! Charity work, though fabulous, really shouldn't be needed (it's failure of government). Actually changing the system needs representation, which means voting. If enough people voted Green, for example, we might end up with PR, which would break the two party str*nglehold. | |||
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc. At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all. Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better? Looks like I am one of the 20 million then. And I see no one to vote for. Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted. We get an even more unrepresentative parliament! A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted. It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters. At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice... I think the pepple who choose not to register to vote realised a long time ago that politics do not solve the problems but creates them. Possibly, but we have no other mechanism. How do you propose changing government (both national and local) policy, without voting? Protest won't work, just get you arrested at present! Charity work, though fabulous, really shouldn't be needed (it's failure of government). Actually changing the system needs representation, which means voting. If enough people voted Green, for example, we might end up with PR, which would break the two party str*nglehold. " Well voting will not change anything, but keep the satus quo ie: no progress just bickering and sh*t throwing. Dissolution and prorogation is the way out every 4 years. | |||
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"Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better? I agree that would be nice. But I don't think it would get them elected. Last time they had a leader who wanted to bring about change he was, after his initial surge in popularity, destroyed by a long sustained media campaign." This. That Manifesto was decent but people didn't like who was putting it forward | |||
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc. At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all. Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better? Looks like I am one of the 20 million then. And I see no one to vote for. Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted. We get an even more unrepresentative parliament! A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted. It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters. At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice..." I said that earlier in the thread, have a look at the reply | |||
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc. At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all. Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better? Looks like I am one of the 20 million then. And I see no one to vote for. Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted. We get an even more unrepresentative parliament! A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted. It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters. At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice... I think the pepple who choose not to register to vote realised a long time ago that politics do not solve the problems but creates them. Possibly, but we have no other mechanism. How do you propose changing government (both national and local) policy, without voting? Protest won't work, just get you arrested at present! Charity work, though fabulous, really shouldn't be needed (it's failure of government). Actually changing the system needs representation, which means voting. If enough people voted Green, for example, we might end up with PR, which would break the two party str*nglehold. Well voting will not change anything, but keep the satus quo ie: no progress just bickering and sh*t throwing. Dissolution and prorogation is the way out every 4 years. "Same shite different party, Labour are already setting the tone for their time in office as we don't know how bad it is until we get in. Not waiting for that none of us should. If no one voted what would happen who knows? | |||
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc. At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all. Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better? Looks like I am one of the 20 million then. And I see no one to vote for. Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted. We get an even more unrepresentative parliament! A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted. It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters. At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice... I think the pepple who choose not to register to vote realised a long time ago that politics do not solve the problems but creates them. Possibly, but we have no other mechanism. How do you propose changing government (both national and local) policy, without voting? Protest won't work, just get you arrested at present! Charity work, though fabulous, really shouldn't be needed (it's failure of government). Actually changing the system needs representation, which means voting. If enough people voted Green, for example, we might end up with PR, which would break the two party str*nglehold. Well voting will not change anything, but keep the satus quo ie: no progress just bickering and sh*t throwing. Dissolution and prorogation is the way out every 4 years.
Same shite different party, Labour are already setting the tone for their time in office as we don't know how bad it is until we get in.
Not waiting for that none of us should.
If no one voted what would happen who knows?
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc. At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all. Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better? Looks like I am one of the 20 million then. And I see no one to vote for. Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted. We get an even more unrepresentative parliament! A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted. It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters. At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice... I think the pepple who choose not to register to vote realised a long time ago that politics do not solve the problems but creates them. Possibly, but we have no other mechanism. How do you propose changing government (both national and local) policy, without voting? Protest won't work, just get you arrested at present! Charity work, though fabulous, really shouldn't be needed (it's failure of government). Actually changing the system needs representation, which means voting. If enough people voted Green, for example, we might end up with PR, which would break the two party str*nglehold. Well voting will not change anything, but keep the satus quo ie: no progress just bickering and sh*t throwing. Dissolution and prorogation is the way out every 4 years.
Same shite different party, Labour are already setting the tone for their time in office as we don't know how bad it is until we get in.
Not waiting for that none of us should.
If no one voted what would happen who knows?"If nobody voted then every seat would be a tie, and decided by drawing lots. How a government would them be formed would be up for endless manoeuvrings, and the King would give assent to the group most likely to deliver a stable government. | |||
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate" Why? | |||
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate" How come? To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change. | |||
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate How come? To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change. " Those are my thoughts as well, the news might as well say Labour will rule next year, no need for an election. No there will be no real change just same old words rearranged in the same sentence. | |||
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"I live in a safe Conservative seat, previously held by murdered MP Sir David Ames. His successor has been working very hard for the community, following in his footsteps, so to speak, but I'm afraid I can't vote for her while Sunak remains leader of the party." What's Sunak done that's so bad it tainted the whole party? | |||
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole They're definitely moving that way. The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories. I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc. At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all. Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better? Looks like I am one of the 20 million then. And I see no one to vote for. Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted. We get an even more unrepresentative parliament! A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted. It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters. At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice... I think the pepple who choose not to register to vote realised a long time ago that politics do not solve the problems but creates them. Possibly, but we have no other mechanism. How do you propose changing government (both national and local) policy, without voting? Protest won't work, just get you arrested at present! Charity work, though fabulous, really shouldn't be needed (it's failure of government). Actually changing the system needs representation, which means voting. If enough people voted Green, for example, we might end up with PR, which would break the two party str*nglehold. Well voting will not change anything, but keep the satus quo ie: no progress just bickering and sh*t throwing. Dissolution and prorogation is the way out every 4 years.
Same shite different party, Labour are already setting the tone for their time in office as we don't know how bad it is until we get in.
Not waiting for that none of us should.
If no one voted what would happen who knows?
If nobody voted then every seat would be a tie, and decided by drawing lots. How a government would them be formed would be up for endless manoeuvrings, and the King would give assent to the group most likely to deliver a stable government."At least they would ask for my taxes, then I would ask where are they going. | |||
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"I think the only reasonable course is to spoil the ballot. Still needs to be counted, so you vote, but says "none of the above" Not voting is not an option, you can be ignored, but a spoilt ballot still counts. If we allow substandard politicians (of all parties) to gain power, substandard politicians is all we deserve... #wedeservebetter" I hear you. | |||
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate How come? To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change. Those are my thoughts as well, the news might as well say Labour will rule next year, no need for an election. No there will be no real change just same old words rearranged in the same sentence." Basically. The small differences are eroding away as we approach the election. | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground" More so than the Tories? What makes you think that? | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground More so than the Tories? What makes you think that?" Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things. | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground" And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since. | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground More so than the Tories? What makes you think that? Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things." When being thrifty leads to services being cut, it’s not necessarily a good thing. | |||
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since." How are you measuring that? | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground More so than the Tories? What makes you think that? Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things." You have me mixed up with someone else. Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined. | |||
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"Well the last Labour Chief Secretary to the treasury Liam Byrne when in government said this when the coalition were voted in and I quote - "Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam." to then turn around and say it was a joke after the country's finances was at it kness at the time? Now dont know about you guys but as a british tax payer that's something I have to worry about if Labour try a stunt like that again if god forbid if they were to be in power again" Thank you for answering | |||
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"Well the last Labour Chief Secretary to the treasury Liam Byrne when in government said this when the coalition were voted in and I quote - "Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam." to then turn around and say it was a joke after the country's finances was at it kness at the time? Now dont know about you guys but as a british tax payer that's something I have to worry about if Labour try a stunt like that again if god forbid if they were to be in power again" It’s a traditional joke to leave a note. All governments do it. | |||
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since. How are you measuring that?" Oh…year mean sub prime mortgage Brown..the man who sold out gold reserves off a t the bottom of the market… the man who trashed my final salary pension, but hey, I’m not fortunate to be working in the public sector am I… I could go on but unless you worked in the finanice industry at the time and really witnessed what was going on, you wouldn’t understand | |||
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since. How are you measuring that? Oh…year mean sub prime mortgage Brown..the man who sold out gold reserves off a t the bottom of the market… the man who trashed my final salary pension, but hey, I’m not fortunate to be working in the public sector am I… I could go on but unless you worked in the finanice industry at the time and really witnessed what was going on, you wouldn’t understand " Who works in the public sector here, pal? | |||
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since. How are you measuring that?" I’m relying on people more knowledgeable than I. Experts, if you will. https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368 | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground More so than the Tories? What makes you think that? Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things. When being thrifty leads to services being cut, it’s not necessarily a good thing. " Spending money you haven’t got is worse, but that is of no concern | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground More so than the Tories? What makes you think that? Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things. When being thrifty leads to services being cut, it’s not necessarily a good thing. Spending money you haven’t got is worse, but that is of no concern" How’s the national debt performed since 2010? | |||
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since. How are you measuring that? Oh…year mean sub prime mortgage Brown..the man who sold out gold reserves off a t the bottom of the market… the man who trashed my final salary pension, but hey, I’m not fortunate to be working in the public sector am I… I could go on but unless you worked in the finanice industry at the time and really witnessed what was going on, you wouldn’t understand Who works in the public sector here, pal?" No idea .. pal… I’m just saying what happened to the private sector pension provision in the Uk until that cunt Brown fucked it up and spunked the billions up wall. It cost me big time | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground More so than the Tories? What makes you think that? Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things. You have me mixed up with someone else. Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined." Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground More so than the Tories? What makes you think that? Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things. When being thrifty leads to services being cut, it’s not necessarily a good thing. Spending money you haven’t got is worse, but that is of no concern How’s the national debt performed since 2010?" What’s the national debt to gdp now? | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground More so than the Tories? What makes you think that? Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things. You have me mixed up with someone else. Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined. Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question " Governments in general borrow money to pay for services. The Tories borrow money to prop up BAE etc, the fossil fuels industry, and their pals who set up new PPE businesses. | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground More so than the Tories? What makes you think that? Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things. You have me mixed up with someone else. Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined. Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question Governments in general borrow money to pay for services. The Tories borrow money to prop up BAE etc, the fossil fuels industry, and their pals who set up new PPE businesses." What services do they borrow money to pay for? | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground More so than the Tories? What makes you think that? Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things. You have me mixed up with someone else. Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined. Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question Governments in general borrow money to pay for services. The Tories borrow money to prop up BAE etc, the fossil fuels industry, and their pals who set up new PPE businesses. What services do they borrow money to pay for?" Can you tell me why you're asking this, then maybe I might be able to help. | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground More so than the Tories? What makes you think that? Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things. You have me mixed up with someone else. Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined. Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question Governments in general borrow money to pay for services. The Tories borrow money to prop up BAE etc, the fossil fuels industry, and their pals who set up new PPE businesses. What services do they borrow money to pay for? Can you tell me why you're asking this, then maybe I might be able to help." I want to gauge your actual understanding of government borrowing, I haven’t commented on your soundbites. | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground More so than the Tories? What makes you think that? Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things. You have me mixed up with someone else. Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined. Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question Governments in general borrow money to pay for services. The Tories borrow money to prop up BAE etc, the fossil fuels industry, and their pals who set up new PPE businesses. What services do they borrow money to pay for? Can you tell me why you're asking this, then maybe I might be able to help. I want to gauge your actual understanding of government borrowing, I haven’t commented on your soundbites. " Which government? You said "Why do you think governments borrow money" which is extremely vague. Maybe the Mongolian government borrow for things I don't know about. And maybe you could explain what your perception of my level of understanding has to do with the fact that even before the brexit and COVID disasters, the Tories had borrowed more money that all previous governments combined. | |||
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since. How are you measuring that? Oh…year mean sub prime mortgage Brown..the man who sold out gold reserves off a t the bottom of the market… the man who trashed my final salary pension, but hey, I’m not fortunate to be working in the public sector am I… I could go on but unless you worked in the finanice industry at the time and really witnessed what was going on, you wouldn’t understand Who works in the public sector here, pal? No idea .. pal… I’m just saying what happened to the private sector pension provision in the Uk until that cunt Brown fucked it up and spunked the billions up wall. It cost me big time " And yet actual economists believe that Brown did a fine job and saved us from the worst of the financial crash. Under New Labour, living standards were never higher. | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground More so than the Tories? What makes you think that? Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things. You have me mixed up with someone else. Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined. Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question Governments in general borrow money to pay for services. The Tories borrow money to prop up BAE etc, the fossil fuels industry, and their pals who set up new PPE businesses. What services do they borrow money to pay for? Can you tell me why you're asking this, then maybe I might be able to help. I want to gauge your actual understanding of government borrowing, I haven’t commented on your soundbites. Which government? You said "Why do you think governments borrow money" which is extremely vague. Maybe the Mongolian government borrow for things I don't know about. And maybe you could explain what your perception of my level of understanding has to do with the fact that even before the brexit and COVID disasters, the Tories had borrowed more money that all previous governments combined." There is no point continuing this particular avenue, based on your understanding, unless you are willing to explore past your own bias? But we got it out the way, and it hasn’t become an argument | |||
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground More so than the Tories? What makes you think that? Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things. You have me mixed up with someone else. Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined. Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question Governments in general borrow money to pay for services. The Tories borrow money to prop up BAE etc, the fossil fuels industry, and their pals who set up new PPE businesses. What services do they borrow money to pay for? Can you tell me why you're asking this, then maybe I might be able to help. I want to gauge your actual understanding of government borrowing, I haven’t commented on your soundbites. Which government? You said "Why do you think governments borrow money" which is extremely vague. Maybe the Mongolian government borrow for things I don't know about. And maybe you could explain what your perception of my level of understanding has to do with the fact that even before the brexit and COVID disasters, the Tories had borrowed more money that all previous governments combined. There is no point continuing this particular avenue, based on your understanding, unless you are willing to explore past your own bias? But we got it out the way, and it hasn’t become an argument "Excellent. No idea what any of this has got to do with the points being made, so I agree there is no point in continuing this avenue. | |||
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate How come? To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change. Those are my thoughts as well, the news might as well say Labour will rule next year, no need for an election. No there will be no real change just same old words rearranged in the same sentence. Basically. The small differences are eroding away as we approach the election. " All that I know is Labour are not doing what they first said under the new leader. Rich left alone Banks left alone utilities left alone And lastly if they win they will say the tories have left a right mess, echoing 13 years ago. Thats why I am now lost, labour are now in the hands of business and will do their bidding. The country needs to say no to all political parties as you cannot trust any of them. | |||
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since." "How are you measuring that?" "I’m relying on people more knowledgeable than I. Experts, if you will. https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368" Perhaps you should re-read that article. It uses the phrase "statistically insignificant" rather a lot. That article makes the point that Labour are not as bad as everyone thinks, but it doesn't go so far as to say that they ran the economy well. It doesn't make any analysis of the Blair/Brown government, or indeed any specific government. The article certainly doesn't support your claim that the last Labour government ran the economy better than any other. So again, how are you measuring 'better' when comparing Blair/Brown with any other government? | |||
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate How come? To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change. Those are my thoughts as well, the news might as well say Labour will rule next year, no need for an election. No there will be no real change just same old words rearranged in the same sentence. Basically. The small differences are eroding away as we approach the election. All that I know is Labour are not doing what they first said under the new leader. Rich left alone Banks left alone utilities left alone And lastly if they win they will say the tories have left a right mess, echoing 13 years ago. Thats why I am now lost, labour are now in the hands of business and will do their bidding. The country needs to say no to all political parties as you cannot trust any of them." Sounds like you have a plan or an outcome in your head better than what we have today? What is that? | |||
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"Well the last Labour Chief Secretary to the treasury Liam Byrne when in government said this when the coalition were voted in and I quote - "Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam." to then turn around and say it was a joke after the country's finances was at it kness at the time? Now dont know about you guys but as a british tax payer that's something I have to worry about if Labour try a stunt like that again if god forbid if they were to be in power again It’s a traditional joke to leave a note. All governments do it. " not when you're playing with people finances it aint | |||
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"Well the last Labour Chief Secretary to the treasury Liam Byrne when in government said this when the coalition were voted in and I quote - "Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam." to then turn around and say it was a joke after the country's finances was at it kness at the time? Now dont know about you guys but as a british tax payer that's something I have to worry about if Labour try a stunt like that again if god forbid if they were to be in power again It’s a traditional joke to leave a note. All governments do it. not when you're playing with people finances it aint" You must really hate the current gov. then. | |||
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since. How are you measuring that? I’m relying on people more knowledgeable than I. Experts, if you will. https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368 Perhaps you should re-read that article. It uses the phrase "statistically insignificant" rather a lot. That article makes the point that Labour are not as bad as everyone thinks, but it doesn't go so far as to say that they ran the economy well. It doesn't make any analysis of the Blair/Brown government, or indeed any specific government. The article certainly doesn't support your claim that the last Labour government ran the economy better than any other. So again, how are you measuring 'better' when comparing Blair/Brown with any other government?" I can only assume you didn’t look at the very first graph in the piece. | |||
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate How come? To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change. Those are my thoughts as well, the news might as well say Labour will rule next year, no need for an election. No there will be no real change just same old words rearranged in the same sentence. Basically. The small differences are eroding away as we approach the election. All that I know is Labour are not doing what they first said under the new leader. Rich left alone Banks left alone utilities left alone And lastly if they win they will say the tories have left a right mess, echoing 13 years ago. Thats why I am now lost, labour are now in the hands of business and will do their bidding. The country needs to say no to all political parties as you cannot trust any of them. Sounds like you have a plan or an outcome in your head better than what we have today? What is that?" You heard wrong, being lost is not to have a plan. | |||
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate How come? To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change. Those are my thoughts as well, the news might as well say Labour will rule next year, no need for an election. No there will be no real change just same old words rearranged in the same sentence. Basically. The small differences are eroding away as we approach the election. All that I know is Labour are not doing what they first said under the new leader. Rich left alone Banks left alone utilities left alone And lastly if they win they will say the tories have left a right mess, echoing 13 years ago. Thats why I am now lost, labour are now in the hands of business and will do their bidding. The country needs to say no to all political parties as you cannot trust any of them. Sounds like you have a plan or an outcome in your head better than what we have today? What is that? You heard wrong, being lost is not to have a plan." You said the country needs to say no to all political parties. That indicates a level of thought, not lost. Or are you simply saying "you are lost" | |||
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate How come? To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change. Those are my thoughts as well, the news might as well say Labour will rule next year, no need for an election. No there will be no real change just same old words rearranged in the same sentence. Basically. The small differences are eroding away as we approach the election. All that I know is Labour are not doing what they first said under the new leader. Rich left alone Banks left alone utilities left alone And lastly if they win they will say the tories have left a right mess, echoing 13 years ago. Thats why I am now lost, labour are now in the hands of business and will do their bidding. The country needs to say no to all political parties as you cannot trust any of them. Sounds like you have a plan or an outcome in your head better than what we have today? What is that? You heard wrong, being lost is not to have a plan. You said the country needs to say no to all political parties. That indicates a level of thought, not lost. Or are you simply saying "you are lost" " Take it as you wish I cannot or would not influence you, that is my final word to you on this subject. | |||
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"Well the last Labour Chief Secretary to the treasury Liam Byrne when in government said this when the coalition were voted in and I quote - "Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam." to then turn around and say it was a joke after the country's finances was at it kness at the time? Now dont know about you guys but as a british tax payer that's something I have to worry about if Labour try a stunt like that again if god forbid if they were to be in power again It’s a traditional joke to leave a note. All governments do it. not when you're playing with people finances it aint You must really hate the current gov. then." Like I said before, Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same asshole | |||
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"Well the last Labour Chief Secretary to the treasury Liam Byrne when in government said this when the coalition were voted in and I quote - "Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam." to then turn around and say it was a joke after the country's finances was at it kness at the time? Now dont know about you guys but as a british tax payer that's something I have to worry about if Labour try a stunt like that again if god forbid if they were to be in power again It’s a traditional joke to leave a note. All governments do it. not when you're playing with people finances it aint You must really hate the current gov. then. Like I said before, Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same asshole" So why emigrate under labour but not the tories? | |||
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since." "How are you measuring that?" "I’m relying on people more knowledgeable than I. Experts, if you will. https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368" "Perhaps you should re-read that article. It uses the phrase "statistically insignificant" rather a lot. That article makes the point that Labour are not as bad as everyone thinks, but it doesn't go so far as to say that they ran the economy well. It doesn't make any analysis of the Blair/Brown government, or indeed any specific government. The article certainly doesn't support your claim that the last Labour government ran the economy better than any other. So again, how are you measuring 'better' when comparing Blair/Brown with any other government?" "I can only assume you didn’t look at the very first graph in the piece." The one showing "Growth by administration since 1955"? The figures say that the immediately preceding Thatcher/Major government did slightly better. | |||
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since. How are you measuring that? I’m relying on people more knowledgeable than I. Experts, if you will. https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368 Perhaps you should re-read that article. It uses the phrase "statistically insignificant" rather a lot. That article makes the point that Labour are not as bad as everyone thinks, but it doesn't go so far as to say that they ran the economy well. It doesn't make any analysis of the Blair/Brown government, or indeed any specific government. The article certainly doesn't support your claim that the last Labour government ran the economy better than any other. So again, how are you measuring 'better' when comparing Blair/Brown with any other government? I can only assume you didn’t look at the very first graph in the piece. The one showing "Growth by administration since 1955"? The figures say that the immediately preceding Thatcher/Major government did slightly better." Plus I don't prefer going by economic growth during a party's rule as a good measure. Most economic policies take a lot of time to show result. The results may even show up after the party is out of rule. Making connection between cause and effect in economics is really hard. So most parties can use random statistics to claim that their party did well. | |||
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