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"Tumble dryers and dishwashers are a huge drain on services. Cut them out and save shed loads " Yes, they are that and one would save a lot by cutting them out too  | |||
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"I was watching sky news this morning and they interviewed a pensioner, did you also see it? It was a bit sad. They talked about how much they had to cut down on their electricity consumption as it is expensive, they managed to cut it down from £2000 to £1000. To name some of the things he had to cut down on, he stopped using his electric kettle, using the gas hub instead, because the electricity is four times more expensive than gas, he also didnt use the tumble dryer, they aired the clothes inside the house, he was using a dehumidifier which is cheaper, he also got rid of their dish washer he said, because it used a lot of hot water. It is not winter yet. I wonder what he will do then. The sky presenter then interviewed an expert and asked, if the price cap was fit for purpose, she was a bit unsure what to say. What is your view about it, will it be more expensive and is the price cap fit for purpose?" £2000 for electricity bills what the fuck else are they running? | |||
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"I was watching sky news this morning and they interviewed a pensioner, did you also see it? It was a bit sad. They talked about how much they had to cut down on their electricity consumption as it is expensive, they managed to cut it down from £2000 to £1000. To name some of the things he had to cut down on, he stopped using his electric kettle, using the gas hub instead, because the electricity is four times more expensive than gas, he also didnt use the tumble dryer, they aired the clothes inside the house, he was using a dehumidifier which is cheaper, he also got rid of their dish washer he said, because it used a lot of hot water. It is not winter yet. I wonder what he will do then. The sky presenter then interviewed an expert and asked, if the price cap was fit for purpose, she was a bit unsure what to say. What is your view about it, will it be more expensive and is the price cap fit for purpose? £2000 for electricity bills what the fuck else are they running?" Heat pump or some other form of electric heating at a guess plus maybe a plug-in car. | |||
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"I was watching sky news this morning and they interviewed a pensioner, did you also see it? It was a bit sad. They talked about how much they had to cut down on their electricity consumption as it is expensive, they managed to cut it down from £2000 to £1000. To name some of the things he had to cut down on, he stopped using his electric kettle, using the gas hub instead, because the electricity is four times more expensive than gas, he also didnt use the tumble dryer, they aired the clothes inside the house, he was using a dehumidifier which is cheaper, he also got rid of their dish washer he said, because it used a lot of hot water. It is not winter yet. I wonder what he will do then. The sky presenter then interviewed an expert and asked, if the price cap was fit for purpose, she was a bit unsure what to say. What is your view about it, will it be more expensive and is the price cap fit for purpose? £2000 for electricity bills what the fuck else are they running? Heat pump or some other form of electric heating at a guess plus maybe a plug-in car." So then they're saving on petrol fuel increases? What's the problem? | |||
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"I was watching sky news this morning and they interviewed a pensioner, did you also see it? It was a bit sad. They talked about how much they had to cut down on their electricity consumption as it is expensive, they managed to cut it down from £2000 to £1000. To name some of the things he had to cut down on, he stopped using his electric kettle, using the gas hub instead, because the electricity is four times more expensive than gas, he also didnt use the tumble dryer, they aired the clothes inside the house, he was using a dehumidifier which is cheaper, he also got rid of their dish washer he said, because it used a lot of hot water. It is not winter yet. I wonder what he will do then. The sky presenter then interviewed an expert and asked, if the price cap was fit for purpose, she was a bit unsure what to say. What is your view about it, will it be more expensive and is the price cap fit for purpose? £2000 for electricity bills what the fuck else are they running? Heat pump or some other form of electric heating at a guess plus maybe a plug-in car. So then they're saving on petrol fuel increases? What's the problem?" If anyone thinks energy is going to be cheaper in the future be it gas or renewables it ain't, even if there was a thingy majig that created electricity for absolutely no cost or expenditure we would still pay the market rate for the no cost electricity coming out of the thingy majig. | |||
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"I was watching sky news this morning and they interviewed a pensioner, did you also see it? It was a bit sad. They talked about how much they had to cut down on their electricity consumption as it is expensive, they managed to cut it down from £2000 to £1000. To name some of the things he had to cut down on, he stopped using his electric kettle, using the gas hub instead, because the electricity is four times more expensive than gas, he also didnt use the tumble dryer, they aired the clothes inside the house, he was using a dehumidifier which is cheaper, he also got rid of their dish washer he said, because it used a lot of hot water. It is not winter yet. I wonder what he will do then. The sky presenter then interviewed an expert and asked, if the price cap was fit for purpose, she was a bit unsure what to say. What is your view about it, will it be more expensive and is the price cap fit for purpose? £2000 for electricity bills what the fuck else are they running? Heat pump or some other form of electric heating at a guess plus maybe a plug-in car. So then they're saving on petrol fuel increases? What's the problem? If anyone thinks energy is going to be cheaper in the future be it gas or renewables it ain't, even if there was a thingy majig that created electricity for absolutely no cost or expenditure we would still pay the market rate for the no cost electricity coming out of the thingy majig. " With the cost of living being as high as it currently is, those without a reasonable income are struggling to make ends meet. In a developed country where we would assume that life gets easier as time goes on through more efficient methods of heating, better insulation in housing, more productive farming etc.etc. , it is a sad reflection that the opposite appears to be the case. | |||
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"I was watching sky news this morning and they interviewed a pensioner, did you also see it? It was a bit sad. They talked about how much they had to cut down on their electricity consumption as it is expensive, they managed to cut it down from £2000 to £1000. To name some of the things he had to cut down on, he stopped using his electric kettle, using the gas hub instead, because the electricity is four times more expensive than gas, he also didnt use the tumble dryer, they aired the clothes inside the house, he was using a dehumidifier which is cheaper, he also got rid of their dish washer he said, because it used a lot of hot water. It is not winter yet. I wonder what he will do then. The sky presenter then interviewed an expert and asked, if the price cap was fit for purpose, she was a bit unsure what to say. What is your view about it, will it be more expensive and is the price cap fit for purpose? £2000 for electricity bills what the fuck else are they running? Heat pump or some other form of electric heating at a guess plus maybe a plug-in car. So then they're saving on petrol fuel increases? What's the problem? If anyone thinks energy is going to be cheaper in the future be it gas or renewables it ain't, even if there was a thingy majig that created electricity for absolutely no cost or expenditure we would still pay the market rate for the no cost electricity coming out of the thingy majig. With the cost of living being as high as it currently is, those without a reasonable income are struggling to make ends meet. In a developed country where we would assume that life gets easier as time goes on through more efficient methods of heating, better insulation in housing, more productive farming etc.etc. , it is a sad reflection that the opposite appears to be the case." increased interest rates have created a slow down as it was intended, which will bring about a downturn in the cost of living, by reducing inflation. | |||
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"Tumble dryers and dishwashers are a huge drain on services. Cut them out and save shed loads Yes, they are that and one would save a lot by cutting them out too "If you use dishwashers when they are full (as recommended) they are more effecient in power and water than bowl washing. | |||
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"Standing charges are going up too." To make renewables more usable you need a lot of cables and pay for times you can not use that electricity. | |||
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"Tumble dryers and dishwashers are a huge drain on services. Cut them out and save shed loads " Haven't ever had a dish washer (apart from my hands  ), so I don't see that as part of the crisis. I haven't used a tumble dryer since my gazillion kids were small  , so again not part of the crisis.
You can get kettles that just boil the water needed. It may be a false economy to use gas as it takes much longer to heat water. | |||
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"Wealthy people are heavily invested in the fuel industry and they are all taking the piss with dividend and share payouts." They always have and always will | |||
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"The price cap is not fit for purpose and either is Ofgem, useless regulator. British Gas made record profits last year driven by households. Wholesale gas is similar levels to pre covid. How can the daily charge triple and why are different regions allowed to charge different prices!!!" Yes, you are right there, it is not fit for purpose and I wonder the same, how the daily charge can go up even though they are making profit. I reckon it is to make even more profit, it doesnt need to be that expensive either | |||
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"It's much cheaper to boil an electric kettle than it is to boil a kettle using a gas hob. Based on that innacuracy at the start of this post I call bullshit." Then you need both internet search and energy usage lessons. It's cheaper to boil water on a gas hob than it is to do it in an electric kettle. The internet holds dozens of energy saving articles that will prove the point for you. | |||
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"Tumble dryers and dishwashers are a huge drain on services. Cut them out and save shed loads Yes, they are that and one would save a lot by cutting them out too
If you use dishwashers when they are full (as recommended) they are more effecient in power and water than bowl washing. "Trouble is the waters heated by electricity in a dishwasher, so if you have a combo boiler the water is cheaper from the tap. Same with washing machines, they used to be hot and cold fill, now they’re only cold so water needs heating with electricity. | |||
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"The price cap is not fit for purpose and either is Ofgem, useless regulator. British Gas made record profits last year driven by households. Wholesale gas is similar levels to pre covid. How can the daily charge triple and why are different regions allowed to charge different prices!!!Yes, you are right there, it is not fit for purpose and I wonder the same, how the daily charge can go up even though they are making profit. I reckon it is to make even more profit, it doesnt need to be that expensive either "of course its so they can make more profit, thats what companys do they make profit they dont do charity | |||
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"The price cap is not fit for purpose and either is Ofgem, useless regulator. British Gas made record profits last year driven by households. Wholesale gas is similar levels to pre covid. How can the daily charge triple and why are different regions allowed to charge different prices!!!Yes, you are right there, it is not fit for purpose and I wonder the same, how the daily charge can go up even though they are making profit. I reckon it is to make even more profit, it doesnt need to be that expensive either of course its so they can make more profit, thats what companys do they make profit they dont do charity"Yes, all these crisis is what I call "by design" it is designed in such a way to make profit. | |||
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"The tories have really “levelled up” this country. Levelled up poverty - check Levelled up debt - check Levelled up misery for many - check Levelled up ignorance - check Levelled up wealth inequality - check If winning is a game to see how quickly you can reduce your citizens to the rank of serf, they are doing a pretty good job from what I can see. Of course for those who’ve benefitted from all this levelling up they are happy to continue keeping this party going. Helicopter trip to pick up a loaf of bread anyone? " Is that the war cry of the Chinese or Russian bot? | |||
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"The tories have really “levelled up” this country. Levelled up poverty - check Levelled up debt - check Levelled up misery for many - check Levelled up ignorance - check Levelled up wealth inequality - check If winning is a game to see how quickly you can reduce your citizens to the rank of serf, they are doing a pretty good job from what I can see. Of course for those who’ve benefitted from all this levelling up they are happy to continue keeping this party going. Helicopter trip to pick up a loaf of bread anyone? " Poverty, debt and wealth inequality are the same "tag" and not something I recognise and, no, I'm not one of those beneficiaries you mention. Bottom line is if you're not happy with the status quo, get off your backside and do something about it. It's not everyone else's responsibility | |||
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"The tories have really “levelled up” this country. Levelled up poverty - check Levelled up debt - check Levelled up misery for many - check Levelled up ignorance - check Levelled up wealth inequality - check If winning is a game to see how quickly you can reduce your citizens to the rank of serf, they are doing a pretty good job from what I can see. Of course for those who’ve benefitted from all this levelling up they are happy to continue keeping this party going. Helicopter trip to pick up a loaf of bread anyone? Poverty, debt and wealth inequality are the same "tag" and not something I recognise and, no, I'm not one of those beneficiaries you mention. Bottom line is if you're not happy with the status quo, get off your backside and do something about it. It's not everyone else's responsibility " Work harder, work longer, sacrifice more, stop complaining! Don’t forget to be thankful for what little you’ve got! Don’t mind the fella over there creaming the profits off of your labour. He’s helping you out. You should thank him. | |||
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"Tumble dryers have always been known to burn electric as it heats up same for dishwasher but for this it's cheaper to connect the water pipe to the hot water connection pipe so it doesn't need to hear the water up it's handy for the washing machine also as you already have got water " That's OK but if your doing a cold rinse in a dishwasher you using hot. And a dishwasher stores the last lot of water to heat for the next wash. And if you hot water is at say 60c and you want to do a delicate wash at 40 it might shrink just a bit or color might run. So think twice. In theory it's OK but in practice it's a no better to do a cooler wash and not heating the water to hot. Or get a TMV1 valve installed to mix hot and cold so you can set the fill to 30c and save sum cost. | |||
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"Tumble dryers have always been known to burn electric as it heats up same for dishwasher but for this it's cheaper to connect the water pipe to the hot water connection pipe so it doesn't need to hear the water up it's handy for the washing machine also as you already have got water That's OK but if your doing a cold rinse in a dishwasher you using hot. And a dishwasher stores the last lot of water to heat for the next wash. And if you hot water is at say 60c and you want to do a delicate wash at 40 it might shrink just a bit or color might run. So think twice. In theory it's OK but in practice it's a no better to do a cooler wash and not heating the water to hot. Or get a TMV1 valve installed to mix hot and cold so you can set the fill to 30c and save sum cost." If you have set the water temperature on the machine at 30 it'll wait until it's at the right temperature as it's still going to go by the program set per wash | |||
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"The tories have really “levelled up” this country. Levelled up poverty - check Levelled up debt - check Levelled up misery for many - check Levelled up ignorance - check Levelled up wealth inequality - check If winning is a game to see how quickly you can reduce your citizens to the rank of serf, they are doing a pretty good job from what I can see. Of course for those who’ve benefitted from all this levelling up they are happy to continue keeping this party going. Helicopter trip to pick up a loaf of bread anyone? Poverty, debt and wealth inequality are the same "tag" and not something I recognise and, no, I'm not one of those beneficiaries you mention. Bottom line is if you're not happy with the status quo, get off your backside and do something about it. It's not everyone else's responsibility Work harder, work longer, sacrifice more, stop complaining! Don’t forget to be thankful for what little you’ve got! Don’t mind the fella over there creaming the profits off of your labour. He’s helping you out. You should thank him. " ************************************* One might try 'bettering oneself' No-one will stop you and, compared with less than 20 years ago, there is now more knowledge available through, (just for one example), the internet. Whining about one's situation on any social media, never mind on here, does absolutely nowt. Zip. Sod all. Help yourself...... If at all possible | |||
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"The tories have really “levelled up” this country. Levelled up poverty - check Levelled up debt - check Levelled up misery for many - check Levelled up ignorance - check Levelled up wealth inequality - check If winning is a game to see how quickly you can reduce your citizens to the rank of serf, they are doing a pretty good job from what I can see. Of course for those who’ve benefitted from all this levelling up they are happy to continue keeping this party going. Helicopter trip to pick up a loaf of bread anyone? Poverty, debt and wealth inequality are the same "tag" and not something I recognise and, no, I'm not one of those beneficiaries you mention. Bottom line is if you're not happy with the status quo, get off your backside and do something about it. It's not everyone else's responsibility Work harder, work longer, sacrifice more, stop complaining! Don’t forget to be thankful for what little you’ve got! Don’t mind the fella over there creaming the profits off of your labour. He’s helping you out. You should thank him. ************************************* One might try 'bettering oneself' No-one will stop you and, compared with less than 20 years ago, there is now more knowledge available through, (just for one example), the internet. Whining about one's situation on any social media, never mind on here, does absolutely nowt. Zip. Sod all. Help yourself...... If at all possible" Yep save your self sod everyone else | |||
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"The tories have really “levelled up” this country. Levelled up poverty - check Levelled up debt - check Levelled up misery for many - check Levelled up ignorance - check Levelled up wealth inequality - check If winning is a game to see how quickly you can reduce your citizens to the rank of serf, they are doing a pretty good job from what I can see. Of course for those who’ve benefitted from all this levelling up they are happy to continue keeping this party going. Helicopter trip to pick up a loaf of bread anyone? Poverty, debt and wealth inequality are the same "tag" and not something I recognise and, no, I'm not one of those beneficiaries you mention. Bottom line is if you're not happy with the status quo, get off your backside and do something about it. It's not everyone else's responsibility Work harder, work longer, sacrifice more, stop complaining! Don’t forget to be thankful for what little you’ve got! Don’t mind the fella over there creaming the profits off of your labour. He’s helping you out. You should thank him. ************************************* One might try 'bettering oneself' No-one will stop you and, compared with less than 20 years ago, there is now more knowledge available through, (just for one example), the internet. Whining about one's situation on any social media, never mind on here, does absolutely nowt. Zip. Sod all. Help yourself...... If at all possible Yep save your self sod everyone else " ******************************* No, HELP yourself by self improvement. At no point did I, or would I, ever suggest helping oneself at the expense of others. What a ridiculous reply, I do not believe anyone could post such ill-considered rubbish such as that. | |||
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"It's much cheaper to boil an electric kettle than it is to boil a kettle using a gas hob. Based on that innacuracy at the start of this post I call bullshit. Then you need both internet search and energy usage lessons. It's cheaper to boil water on a gas hob than it is to do it in an electric kettle. The internet holds dozens of energy saving articles that will prove the point for you." Yeah it's twice as much to make a cuppa with the elec kettle - apparently just under 2p. | |||
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"Tumble dryers and dishwashers are a huge drain on services. Cut them out and save shed loads " This. Never had both and to be honest, think they are 'luxury' items anyway. | |||
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"The tories have really “levelled up” this country. Levelled up poverty - check Levelled up debt - check Levelled up misery for many - check Levelled up ignorance - check Levelled up wealth inequality - check If winning is a game to see how quickly you can reduce your citizens to the rank of serf, they are doing a pretty good job from what I can see. Of course for those who’ve benefitted from all this levelling up they are happy to continue keeping this party going. Helicopter trip to pick up a loaf of bread anyone? Poverty, debt and wealth inequality are the same "tag" and not something I recognise and, no, I'm not one of those beneficiaries you mention. Bottom line is if you're not happy with the status quo, get off your backside and do something about it. It's not everyone else's responsibility " Oh the empathy is strong in this one  .
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"It's much cheaper to boil an electric kettle than it is to boil a kettle using a gas hob. Based on that innacuracy at the start of this post I call bullshit. Then you need both internet search and energy usage lessons. It's cheaper to boil water on a gas hob than it is to do it in an electric kettle. The internet holds dozens of energy saving articles that will prove the point for you. Yeah it's twice as much to make a cuppa with the elec kettle - apparently just under 2p." Would a microwave do it even cheaper don't know but bag in mug fill with water I'd day 60second and job done. | |||
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"The tories have really “levelled up” this country. Levelled up poverty - check Levelled up debt - check Levelled up misery for many - check Levelled up ignorance - check Levelled up wealth inequality - check If winning is a game to see how quickly you can reduce your citizens to the rank of serf, they are doing a pretty good job from what I can see. Of course for those who’ve benefitted from all this levelling up they are happy to continue keeping this party going. Helicopter trip to pick up a loaf of bread anyone? Poverty, debt and wealth inequality are the same "tag" and not something I recognise and, no, I'm not one of those beneficiaries you mention. Bottom line is if you're not happy with the status quo, get off your backside and do something about it. It's not everyone else's responsibility " I will it’s called a General Election. | |||
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"It's much cheaper to boil an electric kettle than it is to boil a kettle using a gas hob. Based on that innacuracy at the start of this post I call bullshit." "Then you need both internet search and energy usage lessons. It's cheaper to boil water on a gas hob than it is to do it in an electric kettle. The internet holds dozens of energy saving articles that will prove the point for you." "Yeah it's twice as much to make a cuppa with the elec kettle - apparently just under 2p." "Would a microwave do it even cheaper don't know but bag in mug fill with water I'd day 60second and job done." No. Microwaves are slightly less efficient than kettles. You might get the water acceptably hot after 60 seconds, but it'll take longer to get it to boil. But don't try that. If you try to boil water in a smooth mug, it can over-heat, and then explode into steam when you pick it up. Lots of people get scalded doing this. | |||
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"It's much cheaper to boil an electric kettle than it is to boil a kettle using a gas hob. Based on that innacuracy at the start of this post I call bullshit. Then you need both internet search and energy usage lessons. It's cheaper to boil water on a gas hob than it is to do it in an electric kettle. The internet holds dozens of energy saving articles that will prove the point for you. Yeah it's twice as much to make a cuppa with the elec kettle - apparently just under 2p. Would a microwave do it even cheaper don't know but bag in mug fill with water I'd day 60second and job done. No. Microwaves are slightly less efficient than kettles. You might get the water acceptably hot after 60 seconds, but it'll take longer to get it to boil. But don't try that. If you try to boil water in a smooth mug, it can over-heat, and then explode into steam when you pick it up. Lots of people get scalded doing this." I know we are going off topic a little... I'm not sure why we have this habit of boiling water for a drink. | |||
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"I know we are going off topic a little... I'm not sure why we have this habit of boiling water for a drink." Do you mean actually going all the way to boiling, rather than just 'hot enough'? Tea extracts much better with hotter water, and boiling is as hot as you can get it. But in general, it's easy to get a device to switch off automatically when water boils, and much harder to get one to switch off when the water is 'hot enough'. Humans are lazy and they don't want to keep monitoring the temperature to check if it's right, they just want to switch on the device and come back when it's done. | |||
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"I know we are going off topic a little... I'm not sure why we have this habit of boiling water for a drink. Do you mean actually going all the way to boiling, rather than just 'hot enough'? Tea extracts much better with hotter water, and boiling is as hot as you can get it. But in general, it's easy to get a device to switch off automatically when water boils, and much harder to get one to switch off when the water is 'hot enough'. Humans are lazy and they don't want to keep monitoring the temperature to check if it's right, they just want to switch on the device and come back when it's done." I think you can get kettles these days where you set what cut off point you want from about 80 to 100 degrees. Some say for coffee that you should not use boiling water as it scolds the product. Also some kettles have a thermos feature, keeping the water hot for a long time saving energy on the next boil. Personally I just boil for everything as seems safer. | |||
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"I was watching sky news this morning and they interviewed a pensioner, did you also see it? It was a bit sad. They talked about how much they had to cut down on their electricity consumption as it is expensive, they managed to cut it down from £2000 to £1000. To name some of the things he had to cut down on, he stopped using his electric kettle, using the gas hub instead, because the electricity is four times more expensive than gas, he also didnt use the tumble dryer, they aired the clothes inside the house, he was using a dehumidifier which is cheaper, he also got rid of their dish washer he said, because it used a lot of hot water. It is not winter yet. I wonder what he will do then. The sky presenter then interviewed an expert and asked, if the price cap was fit for purpose, she was a bit unsure what to say. What is your view about it, will it be more expensive and is the price cap fit for purpose?" We're all being fooked over, some can afford the fooking over but most can't... Terrible state this country is in. They so called leaders of this country don't give on fuck about any of us. | |||
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"The tories have really “levelled up” this country. Levelled up poverty - check Levelled up debt - check Levelled up misery for many - check Levelled up ignorance - check Levelled up wealth inequality - check If winning is a game to see how quickly you can reduce your citizens to the rank of serf, they are doing a pretty good job from what I can see. Of course for those who’ve benefitted from all this levelling up they are happy to continue keeping this party going. Helicopter trip to pick up a loaf of bread anyone? Poverty, debt and wealth inequality are the same "tag" and not something I recognise and, no, I'm not one of those beneficiaries you mention. Bottom line is if you're not happy with the status quo, get off your backside and do something about it. It's not everyone else's responsibility Work harder, work longer, sacrifice more, stop complaining! Don’t forget to be thankful for what little you’ve got! Don’t mind the fella over there creaming the profits off of your labour. He’s helping you out. You should thank him. " | |||
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"I was watching sky news this morning and they interviewed a pensioner, did you also see it? It was a bit sad. They talked about how much they had to cut down on their electricity consumption as it is expensive, they managed to cut it down from £2000 to £1000. To name some of the things he had to cut down on, he stopped using his electric kettle, using the gas hub instead, because the electricity is four times more expensive than gas, he also didnt use the tumble dryer, they aired the clothes inside the house, he was using a dehumidifier which is cheaper, he also got rid of their dish washer he said, because it used a lot of hot water. It is not winter yet. I wonder what he will do then. The sky presenter then interviewed an expert and asked, if the price cap was fit for purpose, she was a bit unsure what to say. What is your view about it, will it be more expensive and is the price cap fit for purpose? We're all being fooked over, some can afford the fooking over but most can't... Terrible state this country is in. They so called leaders of this country don't give on fuck about any of us. " hahaha have you only just realised the general publuc have been fucked over for the last few decades, only reason it seems worse is because the middle classes are feeling the pinch now, working class have had it for years | |||
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"I was watching sky news this morning and they interviewed a pensioner, did you also see it? It was a bit sad. They talked about how much they had to cut down on their electricity consumption as it is expensive, they managed to cut it down from £2000 to £1000. To name some of the things he had to cut down on, he stopped using his electric kettle, using the gas hub instead, because the electricity is four times more expensive than gas, he also didnt use the tumble dryer, they aired the clothes inside the house, he was using a dehumidifier which is cheaper, he also got rid of their dish washer he said, because it used a lot of hot water. It is not winter yet. I wonder what he will do then. The sky presenter then interviewed an expert and asked, if the price cap was fit for purpose, she was a bit unsure what to say. What is your view about it, will it be more expensive and is the price cap fit for purpose? We're all being fooked over, some can afford the fooking over but most can't... Terrible state this country is in. They so called leaders of this country don't give on fuck about any of us. hahaha have you only just realised the general publuc have been fucked over for the last few decades, only reason it seems worse is because the middle classes are feeling the pinch now, working class have had it for years" What gives you the impression ive only just realised this??? It was a comment that's all. Ha ha ha ha ha | |||
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"I was watching sky news this morning and they interviewed a pensioner, did you also see it? It was a bit sad. They talked about how much they had to cut down on their electricity consumption as it is expensive, they managed to cut it down from £2000 to £1000. To name some of the things he had to cut down on, he stopped using his electric kettle, using the gas hub instead, because the electricity is four times more expensive than gas, he also didnt use the tumble dryer, they aired the clothes inside the house, he was using a dehumidifier which is cheaper, he also got rid of their dish washer he said, because it used a lot of hot water. It is not winter yet. I wonder what he will do then. The sky presenter then interviewed an expert and asked, if the price cap was fit for purpose, she was a bit unsure what to say. What is your view about it, will it be more expensive and is the price cap fit for purpose? We're all being fooked over, some can afford the fooking over but most can't... Terrible state this country is in. They so called leaders of this country don't give on fuck about any of us. hahaha have you only just realised the general publuc have been fucked over for the last few decades, only reason it seems worse is because the middle classes are feeling the pinch now, working class have had it for years" General public will always get over taxed. The very pore survive on benefits and top ups the middle is the only place left to get cash out of and a good percentage of them are now self employed so there is little middle ground to squeeze any cash from. | |||
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"increased interest rates have created a slow down as it was intended, which will bring about a downturn in the cost of living, by reducing inflation." I hope you don't work in the finance department....! Increased interest rates have created a slowdown in what...I presume you mean a slowdown (reduction?) in inflation. A reduction in the rate of inflation can never lead to a downturn in the cost of living. That can only happen with deflation. As the inflation rate drops, so the rate of increase reduces. Prices continue to rise....just more slowly!!! | |||
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"increased interest rates have created a slow down as it was intended, which will bring about a downturn in the cost of living, by reducing inflation. I hope you don't work in the finance department....! Increased interest rates have created a slowdown in what...I presume you mean a slowdown (reduction?) in inflation. A reduction in the rate of inflation can never lead to a downturn in the cost of living. That can only happen with deflation. As the inflation rate drops, so the rate of increase reduces. Prices continue to rise....just more slowly!!! " The finance department 
Basic economics... A slow down in spending, drives down inflation.. Hike up interest rates and make things tight in the purse.
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"increased interest rates have created a slow down as it was intended, which will bring about a downturn in the cost of living, by reducing inflation. I hope you don't work in the finance department....! Increased interest rates have created a slowdown in what...I presume you mean a slowdown (reduction?) in inflation. A reduction in the rate of inflation can never lead to a downturn in the cost of living. That can only happen with deflation. As the inflation rate drops, so the rate of increase reduces. Prices continue to rise....just more slowly!!! The finance department
Basic economics... A slow down in spending, drives down inflation.. Hike up interest rates and make things tight in the purse.
What department do you work in?"So you think a drop in inflation means prices are falling (which is what I quoted you ON)!! Really? And of course making things "tight in the purse" just pushes up wage claims - hence the recent announcement that wage increases are now matching inflation...which of course in itself is inflationary! As usual the ones who suffer the most are lower paid / those that can't strike or don't have strong union representation. | |||
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"increased interest rates have created a slow down as it was intended, which will bring about a downturn in the cost of living, by reducing inflation. I hope you don't work in the finance department....! Increased interest rates have created a slowdown in what...I presume you mean a slowdown (reduction?) in inflation. A reduction in the rate of inflation can never lead to a downturn in the cost of living. That can only happen with deflation. As the inflation rate drops, so the rate of increase reduces. Prices continue to rise....just more slowly!!! The finance department
Basic economics... A slow down in spending, drives down inflation.. Hike up interest rates and make things tight in the purse.
What department do you work in?
So you think a drop in inflation means prices are falling (which is what I quoted you ON)!!
Really?
And of course making things "tight in the purse" just pushes up wage claims - hence the recent announcement that wage increases are now matching inflation...which of course in itself is inflationary!
As usual the ones who suffer the most are lower paid / those that can't strike or don't have strong union representation."I haven't the time or energy to go into any further detail with you, you are clearly struggling to read what I have written and do not understand basic economic measures for controlling inflation. This however will not stop you replying... | |||
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"increased interest rates have created a slow down as it was intended, which will bring about a downturn in the cost of living, by reducing inflation. I hope you don't work in the finance department....! Increased interest rates have created a slowdown in what...I presume you mean a slowdown (reduction?) in inflation. A reduction in the rate of inflation can never lead to a downturn in the cost of living. That can only happen with deflation. As the inflation rate drops, so the rate of increase reduces. Prices continue to rise....just more slowly!!! The finance department
Basic economics... A slow down in spending, drives down inflation.. Hike up interest rates and make things tight in the purse.
What department do you work in?
So you think a drop in inflation means prices are falling (which is what I quoted you ON)!!
Really?
And of course making things "tight in the purse" just pushes up wage claims - hence the recent announcement that wage increases are now matching inflation...which of course in itself is inflationary!
As usual the ones who suffer the most are lower paid / those that can't strike or don't have strong union representation.
I haven't the time or energy to go into any further detail with you, you are clearly struggling to read what I have written and do not understand basic economic measures for controlling inflation.
This however will not stop you replying..."Of course it won't. This was what you wrote: "increased interest rates have created a slow down as it was intended, which will bring about a downturn in the cost of living, by reducing inflation." Now I agree higher interest rates (may) have led at a reduction in inflation rate. But pray explain how that leads to a downturn in the cost of living: prices continue to rise albeit at a slower rate. I repeat prices will only fall if we see deflation. Please explain with a simple mathematical example so that us lesser qualified mortals can understand how the drop in inflation to 6.8% means supermarket prices have fallen? But I'm sure you won't.   | |||
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"increased interest rates have created a slow down as it was intended, which will bring about a downturn in the cost of living, by reducing inflation. I hope you don't work in the finance department....! Increased interest rates have created a slowdown in what...I presume you mean a slowdown (reduction?) in inflation. A reduction in the rate of inflation can never lead to a downturn in the cost of living. That can only happen with deflation. As the inflation rate drops, so the rate of increase reduces. Prices continue to rise....just more slowly!!! The finance department
Basic economics... A slow down in spending, drives down inflation.. Hike up interest rates and make things tight in the purse.
What department do you work in?
So you think a drop in inflation means prices are falling (which is what I quoted you ON)!!
Really?
And of course making things "tight in the purse" just pushes up wage claims - hence the recent announcement that wage increases are now matching inflation...which of course in itself is inflationary!
As usual the ones who suffer the most are lower paid / those that can't strike or don't have strong union representation.
I haven't the time or energy to go into any further detail with you, you are clearly struggling to read what I have written and do not understand basic economic measures for controlling inflation.
This however will not stop you replying...
Of course it won't.
This was what you wrote:
"increased interest rates have created a slow down as it was intended, which will bring about a downturn in the cost of living, by reducing inflation."
Now I agree higher interest rates (may) have led at a reduction in inflation rate.
But pray explain how that leads to a downturn in the cost of living: prices continue to rise albeit at a slower rate. I repeat prices will only fall if we see deflation.
Please explain with a simple mathematical example so that us lesser qualified mortals can understand how the drop in inflation to 6.8% means supermarket prices have fallen?
But I'm sure you won't.
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"Not sure of the rights and wrongs of interest rate hikes but it seems to be a popular tool all over the place. The EU has just announced another rate increase to a record high and say it's to help tackle inflation. " | |||
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" Lag time I will explain this. Slow down = slow spending down Inflation drops = the cost of items are falling Higher interest rates - slow down in spending All of the above are used to bring inflation down, inflation is measured by what? " ***Inflation drops = the cost of items are falling*** No!!! If inflation is 12% pa, my £100 new microwave will be £112 a year from now. If inflation then halves next year to 6%, it'll be £119 after a further 12 months. That's not a price fall. Politicians imply bringing inflation down will bring costs down. It's rubbish of course, it just means prices are no longer rising as quickly. We continue to get worse off until we get a payrise to match or exceed inflation. But... that in turn means we have more money to spend which can potentially lead to renewed inflation growth. Anyone remember the early 80s - inflation 18%, interest rates 14% - my mortgage rate was higher still of course & would have made your eyes water!! | |||
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" Lag time I will explain this. Slow down = slow spending down Inflation drops = the cost of items are falling Higher interest rates - slow down in spending All of the above are used to bring inflation down, inflation is measured by what? ***Inflation drops = the cost of items are falling*** No!!! If inflation is 12% pa, my £100 new microwave will be £112 a year from now. If inflation then halves next year to 6%, it'll be £119 after a further 12 months. That's not a price fall. Politicians imply bringing inflation down will bring costs down. It's rubbish of course, it just means prices are no longer rising as quickly. We continue to get worse off until we get a payrise to match or exceed inflation. But... that in turn means we have more money to spend which can potentially lead to renewed inflation growth. Anyone remember the early 80s - inflation 18%, interest rates 14% - my mortgage rate was higher still of course & would have made your eyes water!! " So we never ever see a 'downturn' in the cost of living. If something is £112 today (multiplied 5x) and £110 next week. Someone is £10 better off. That's not a downturn? It seems like you're playing with semantics just to prove some sort of weird point. Everyone knows what was meant. | |||
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" Lag time I will explain this. Slow down = slow spending down Inflation drops = the cost of items are falling Higher interest rates - slow down in spending All of the above are used to bring inflation down, inflation is measured by what? ***Inflation drops = the cost of items are falling*** No!!! If inflation is 12% pa, my £100 new microwave will be £112 a year from now. If inflation then halves next year to 6%, it'll be £119 after a further 12 months. That's not a price fall. Politicians imply bringing inflation down will bring costs down. It's rubbish of course, it just means prices are no longer rising as quickly. We continue to get worse off until we get a payrise to match or exceed inflation. But... that in turn means we have more money to spend which can potentially lead to renewed inflation growth. Anyone remember the early 80s - inflation 18%, interest rates 14% - my mortgage rate was higher still of course & would have made your eyes water!! " You are stuck on deflation, I never mentioned deflation. Inflation and CPI are linked and with energy having a huge impact on manufacturing meaning we have several factors in play right now that are impacting inflation, it is not down to me to prove this to you or spell out how it can play out. Deflation by the way is not a good thing. | |||
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" Lag time I will explain this. Slow down = slow spending down Inflation drops = the cost of items are falling Higher interest rates - slow down in spending All of the above are used to bring inflation down, inflation is measured by what? ***Inflation drops = the cost of items are falling*** No!!! If inflation is 12% pa, my £100 new microwave will be £112 a year from now. If inflation then halves next year to 6%, it'll be £119 after a further 12 months. That's not a price fall. Politicians imply bringing inflation down will bring costs down. It's rubbish of course, it just means prices are no longer rising as quickly. We continue to get worse off until we get a payrise to match or exceed inflation. But... that in turn means we have more money to spend which can potentially lead to renewed inflation growth. Anyone remember the early 80s - inflation 18%, interest rates 14% - my mortgage rate was higher still of course & would have made your eyes water!! So we never ever see a 'downturn' in the cost of living. If something is £112 today (multiplied 5x) and £110 next week. Someone is £10 better off. That's not a downturn? It seems like you're playing with semantics just to prove some sort of weird point. Everyone knows what was meant. " You know those times you think why did I reply.....FFS | |||
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" Lag time I will explain this. Slow down = slow spending down Inflation drops = the cost of items are falling Higher interest rates - slow down in spending All of the above are used to bring inflation down, inflation is measured by what? ***Inflation drops = the cost of items are falling*** No!!! If inflation is 12% pa, my £100 new microwave will be £112 a year from now. If inflation then halves next year to 6%, it'll be £119 after a further 12 months. That's not a price fall. Politicians imply bringing inflation down will bring costs down. It's rubbish of course, it just means prices are no longer rising as quickly. We continue to get worse off until we get a payrise to match or exceed inflation. But... that in turn means we have more money to spend which can potentially lead to renewed inflation growth. Anyone remember the early 80s - inflation 18%, interest rates 14% - my mortgage rate was higher still of course & would have made your eyes water!! So we never ever see a 'downturn' in the cost of living. If something is £112 today (multiplied 5x) and £110 next week. Someone is £10 better off. That's not a downturn? It seems like you're playing with semantics just to prove some sort of weird point. Everyone knows what was meant. You know those times you think why did I reply.....FFS "Yeah, just about every day on here | |||
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" Lag time I will explain this. Slow down = slow spending down Inflation drops = the cost of items are falling Higher interest rates - slow down in spending All of the above are used to bring inflation down, inflation is measured by what? ***Inflation drops = the cost of items are falling*** No!!! If inflation is 12% pa, my £100 new microwave will be £112 a year from now. If inflation then halves next year to 6%, it'll be £119 after a further 12 months. That's not a price fall. Politicians imply bringing inflation down will bring costs down. It's rubbish of course, it just means prices are no longer rising as quickly. We continue to get worse off until we get a payrise to match or exceed inflation. But... that in turn means we have more money to spend which can potentially lead to renewed inflation growth. Anyone remember the early 80s - inflation 18%, interest rates 14% - my mortgage rate was higher still of course & would have made your eyes water!! " I think I understand what your saying but also think it's not the whole story as you have not accounted for pay rises. An item may go up by 6% but if wages match or even better that then in effect that item is cheaper compared to income. Of course when wages went up less it is not completely true but any wage rise, even below inflation helps mitigate the price rise. I'm sure it's more complicated than that but I'm certainly not an economist | |||
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"Just when I was beginning to give up..finally yes exactly!!! So for those who get a rise ahead of inflation it's all hunky dory! Hands up how many people have had a pay rise that exceeds or even comes close to covering cost rises over the last 18 months? And how many public sector workers who either can't strike or are not represented by a strong union have had anything close to an inflation matching rise? The only way raising interest rates works is by making people worse off and forcing a reduction in spending. Simple as. If everyone then gets paid more it simply doesn't work. Now if the government had some focus on improving productivity....then we would all genuinely be better off. " Still on the same as I was 7 years ago but it's still a good wage | |||
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"Just when I was beginning to give up..finally yes exactly!!! So for those who get a rise ahead of inflation it's all hunky dory! Hands up how many people have had a pay rise that exceeds or even comes close to covering cost rises over the last 18 months? And how many public sector workers who either can't strike or are not represented by a strong union have had anything close to an inflation matching rise? The only way raising interest rates works is by making people worse off and forcing a reduction in spending. Simple as. If everyone then gets paid more it simply doesn't work. Now if the government had some focus on improving productivity....then we would all genuinely be better off. " So would you increase productivity get the wip out or gust a big stick. You want the same people to do more for less. | |||
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"Just when I was beginning to give up..finally yes exactly!!! So for those who get a rise ahead of inflation it's all hunky dory! Hands up how many people have had a pay rise that exceeds or even comes close to covering cost rises over the last 18 months? And how many public sector workers who either can't strike or are not represented by a strong union have had anything close to an inflation matching rise? The only way raising interest rates works is by making people worse off and forcing a reduction in spending. Simple as. If everyone then gets paid more it simply doesn't work. Now if the government had some focus on improving productivity....then we would all genuinely be better off. Still on the same as I was 7 years ago but it's still a good wage " But not as good as it was 7 years ago! | |||
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"The regulator is suppose to protect us the consumer, but has instead stood for the energy companies, hence the useless price cap. Only a tory would find excuses to justify children being homeless, hungry, attending schools that should be condemned. Pay rises are impossible at the moment as it would affect inflation, but it is ok for the boss and his team to get one that is over inflation." Which regulator stood by energy companies? The second part seems dramatic, have got examples of this? Which boss and team got the pay rise? You do know that pay rises are being awarded, have you got a few examples that show they aren't? | |||
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"The regulator is suppose to protect us the consumer, but has instead stood for the energy companies, hence the useless price cap. Only a tory would find excuses to justify children being homeless, hungry, attending schools that should be condemned. Pay rises are impossible at the moment as it would affect inflation, but it is ok for the boss and his team to get one that is over inflation. Which regulator stood by energy companies? The second part seems dramatic, have got examples of this? Which boss and team got the pay rise? You do know that pay rises are being awarded, have you got a few examples that show they aren't? " Is there more than one regulator? Just a heads up, I am not here to discuss anything with you or some others on here I have seen how you treat and speak to others, so this will be the last I converse with you. I am not here to argue or rush about the net to serve you, do these things yourself ok. | |||
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"The regulator is suppose to protect us the consumer, but has instead stood for the energy companies, hence the useless price cap. Only a tory would find excuses to justify children being homeless, hungry, attending schools that should be condemned. Pay rises are impossible at the moment as it would affect inflation, but it is ok for the boss and his team to get one that is over inflation. Which regulator stood by energy companies? The second part seems dramatic, have got examples of this? Which boss and team got the pay rise? You do know that pay rises are being awarded, have you got a few examples that show they aren't? Is there more than one regulator? Just a heads up, I am not here to discuss anything with you or some others on here I have seen how you treat and speak to others, so this will be the last I converse with you. I am not here to argue or rush about the net to serve you, do these things yourself ok." Spurious claims you can’t back up, then get angry and personal….. I’m rather pleased you no longer want to converse | |||
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