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By *astandFeisty OP   Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Spin off from the Trump thread.

It was stated that Trump purged the Republican party of anyone who didn't agree with him.

Are we seeing the same here with the Labour party?

Is it welcome from left Labour supporters?

Is it welcome from moderate Labour supporters?

Is it welcome from moderate Conservative supporters?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From my point of view it's a bit disappointing to see labour not representing some of its core values.

I think it is kind of needed though as these values unfortunately make you unelectable given the media these days.

Boris also did this in 2019 and assembled the least capable government or my lifetime or probably anybody else's, so it may be a bad thing.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds


"Spin off from the Trump thread.

It was stated that Trump purged the Republican party of anyone who didn't agree with him.

Are we seeing the same here with the Labour party?

Is it welcome from left Labour supporters?

Is it welcome from moderate Labour supporters?

Is it welcome from moderate Conservative supporters?"

.

As a non left of centre.

I actually think labour is more of a corbyn type party. And starmer and his ilk of more central left and probably should be lib dems

Sadly far too much of both parties are filled with people with centrist sit on fence policies. If they were all in the parties they should represent lib dems.might actually jabe a decent chance at elections and there wouldn't be so much in fighting.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"From my point of view it's a bit disappointing to see labour not representing some of its core values.

I think it is kind of needed though as these values unfortunately make you unelectable given the media these days.

Boris also did this in 2019 and assembled the least capable government or my lifetime or probably anybody else's, so it may be a bad thing."

I agree with this generally. I know the media and establishment deem them more electable if they're more towards the centre. As they won't offer any meaningful change. But then what's the point of them getting into power if they aren't offering any meaningful change?

Obviously they wouldn't be as corrupt and self serving as the Tories have been. But I mean policy and rhetoric wise. If they're very similar to what we have. It's not worth my vote.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes


"From my point of view it's a bit disappointing to see labour not representing some of its core values.

I think it is kind of needed though as these values unfortunately make you unelectable given the media these days.

Boris also did this in 2019 and assembled the least capable government or my lifetime or probably anybody else's, so it may be a bad thing.

I agree with this generally. I know the media and establishment deem them more electable if they're more towards the centre. As they won't offer any meaningful change. But then what's the point of them getting into power if they aren't offering any meaningful change?

Obviously they wouldn't be as corrupt and self serving as the Tories have been. But I mean policy and rhetoric wise. If they're very similar to what we have. It's not worth my vote."

I think that is broadly correct. They do seem very close to the conservatives, though they are not keen on giving much away on policies so we may be surprised later on. Not being conservatives seems to be their big asset sat present which I fully expect to be more than enough come the GE. Unfortunately it's only after that we will find out their level of corruption and self serving. We can only hope for an improvement

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Labour leaders have learnt to distance themselves from the unions, it is not a good look in terms of attracting the floating voter.

However they flirt with the unions and the left of the party knowing they are a sure vote, and they don't need to try too hard, if at all to get their vote.

Both parties are the same in that respect, why spend energy on a dead cert? The battle ground for both parties is the centre, the floating voter the ones that are tired of tories, those that are worried of union influence etc.

If SKS wants to take a victory and not a coalition, it would be a wise move to cut out left of centre influences to appear more attractive to the voters who will decide the next government, and that is not labour supporters.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"Labour leaders have learnt to distance themselves from the unions, it is not a good look in terms of attracting the floating voter.

However they flirt with the unions and the left of the party knowing they are a sure vote, and they don't need to try too hard, if at all to get their vote.

Both parties are the same in that respect, why spend energy on a dead cert? The battle ground for both parties is the centre, the floating voter the ones that are tired of tories, those that are worried of union influence etc.

If SKS wants to take a victory and not a coalition, it would be a wise move to cut out left of centre influences to appear more attractive to the voters who will decide the next government, and that is not labour supporters. "

You're probably correct. But then that's no use to the country if it's just more of the same shit.

The whole system needs a shake up, in my opinion.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma


"Labour leaders have learnt to distance themselves from the unions, it is not a good look in terms of attracting the floating voter.

However they flirt with the unions and the left of the party knowing they are a sure vote, and they don't need to try too hard, if at all to get their vote.

Both parties are the same in that respect, why spend energy on a dead cert? The battle ground for both parties is the centre, the floating voter the ones that are tired of tories, those that are worried of union influence etc.

If SKS wants to take a victory and not a coalition, it would be a wise move to cut out left of centre influences to appear more attractive to the voters who will decide the next government, and that is not labour supporters.

You're probably correct. But then that's no use to the country if it's just more of the same shit.

The whole system needs a shake up, in my opinion."

Those that decide the government of this country are a silent majority. They are not hardened left or right, they are middle of the road, play it safe and carry on.

They are the decision makers at the GE, if they swing towards labour, labour make the government.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"Labour leaders have learnt to distance themselves from the unions, it is not a good look in terms of attracting the floating voter.

However they flirt with the unions and the left of the party knowing they are a sure vote, and they don't need to try too hard, if at all to get their vote.

Both parties are the same in that respect, why spend energy on a dead cert? The battle ground for both parties is the centre, the floating voter the ones that are tired of tories, those that are worried of union influence etc.

If SKS wants to take a victory and not a coalition, it would be a wise move to cut out left of centre influences to appear more attractive to the voters who will decide the next government, and that is not labour supporters.

You're probably correct. But then that's no use to the country if it's just more of the same shit.

The whole system needs a shake up, in my opinion.

Those that decide the government of this country are a silent majority. They are not hardened left or right, they are middle of the road, play it safe and carry on.

They are the decision makers at the GE, if they swing towards labour, labour make the government. "

Indeed.

And the entire system, the media, the corporations that it serves won't allow anyone with new ideas to get close to government.

Just look what happened when they suddenly realised Corbyn was gaining popularity much faster than they thought.

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By *9alMan
over a year ago

Bridgend


"Labour leaders have learnt to distance themselves from the unions, it is not a good look in terms of attracting the floating voter.

However they flirt with the unions and the left of the party knowing they are a sure vote, and they don't need to try too hard, if at all to get their vote.

Both parties are the same in that respect, why spend energy on a dead cert? The battle ground for both parties is the centre, the floating voter the ones that are tired of tories, those that are worried of union influence etc.

If SKS wants to take a victory and not a coalition, it would be a wise move to cut out left of centre influences to appear more attractive to the voters who will decide the next government, and that is not labour supporters. "

if they move too far towards the right they may end up losing votes to SDP green & nationalists in Wales & Scotland

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By *astandFeisty OP   Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Looks like we're gonna end up with a middle-of-the-road the ground Labour party next year

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes


"Looks like we're gonna end up with a middle-of-the-road the ground Labour party next year "
Lets hope so,get rid of the corrupt twats

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no idea what left means or what core labour value means. I suspect many labour voters vote labour from selfish rather than ideological reasons anyway (and this is the same as many story voters... I'd imagine many would vote red if they became poorer or if the Tories stopped supporting the state pension, which, tbh is a bit lefty)

However, in our (almost) two-party system, there is no benefit in being "left" (or indeed "right"). Instead, you need only slightly more left/right than the other party. (this is assuming the idea is to maximise votes and get power).

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By *aribbean King 1985Man
over a year ago

South West London

It be best if people not only not vote for Tories but also not vote for Labour too. They both 2 sides of the same coin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Things change, if anything the naïveté of the far left to hold some antiquated form of social justice as sacrosanct held back labour from being truly representative of the people the far left claims it wants to protect.

People in the UK don’t want some pipe dream, they want responsible government, who has the power to make the tough calls. Not blindly follow socialist dogma to the letter.

Flexibility isn’t a dirty word politically if it means that everyone benefits not just those at the top or those at the very bottom.

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By *enSiskoMan
over a year ago

Cestus 3

I do not see any change if Labour won the next election,

so I won't be giving my vote to either party.

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By *aribbean King 1985Man
over a year ago

South West London

If Labour were to be in Government in current form, I think I definitely have to emigrate from this country

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"If Labour were to be in Government in current form, I think I definitely have to emigrate from this country"

Bit drastic for almost no change in policies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If Labour were to be in Government in current form, I think I definitely have to emigrate from this country"

And like everyone else who threatens to do this every single time, lab or Tory, you won’t.

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By *aribbean King 1985Man
over a year ago

South West London

I will

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"I will "

Why?

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By *aribbean King 1985Man
over a year ago

South West London

Its like this, the last 13 years of Tory governments have been garbage. I definitely want a new government but if people think that Labour are gonna be any better then I'm afraid you guys are living in fantasy land. Can't have someone like Keir Starmer who seems to flip flop on policy making or comes up with ideas that seem looney, cant answer a simple question on what a woman is even down to saying Jeremy Corbyn is not his friend when only 4 years ago he said Corbyn would make "a great Prime Minister". Look I think people need to decide to take a bold stance and not vote for either Tory or Labour and vote for another party. Besides all that in a way Im tired of this country too

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