FabSwingers.com forum: Dame Rose

By *orleyman OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

BREAK: Natwest CEO Dame Alison Rose confesses she was source of incorrect Farage story:

"I recognise that in my conversations with Simon Jack of the BBC, I made a serious error of judgment in discussing Mr Farage’s relationship with the bank. "

Well well it looks like there was a very large data breach on behalf of Natwest.

Either auntie Beeb or Natwest should be in for a nice lawsuit.

Either bbc made a claim that wasn't backed up by what Dam Rose said and defamed Nigel

Or Dame Rose horrifically failed GDPR

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

The board retains full confidence.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

This story blew a hole through the left wing nut jobs who want to cancel and destroy anything that isn’t like them…..

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By *orleyman OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"The board retains full confidence."

Couldn't quite believe they said that

Apparently there might not be a select committee because Parliament expect her not to be there in September when it re convenes.

She's also dropped the coutts ceo in it too.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

There should be serious consequences for this. Said it before, regardless of my personal feelings towards Farage (and his hypocrisy) this should not have happened.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

A question for those more clued up on banking sector. Am I right in thinking NatWest and RBS were part of the same group? If so does the state still own any of what was RBS or has all of that now been sold on?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There should be serious consequences for this. Said it before, regardless of my personal feelings towards Farage (and his hypocrisy) this should not have happened."

Agree with this.

Whether Farage’s account was closed or the reasons behind it is irrelevant if there was a data breach.

It’s fun to mock Farage, and he does a great job of inviting it, but it shouldn’t have become a story.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"A question for those more clued up on banking sector. Am I right in thinking NatWest and RBS were part of the same group? If so does the state still own any of what was RBS or has all of that now been sold on?"

RBS are part of the Natwest Group, of which the state owns 38.6%. It was as high as 84% in 2008 when they were bailed out.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"BREAK: Natwest CEO Dame Alison Rose confesses she was source of incorrect Farage story:

"I recognise that in my conversations with Simon Jack of the BBC, I made a serious error of judgment in discussing Mr Farage’s relationship with the bank. "

Well well it looks like there was a very large data breach on behalf of Natwest.

Either auntie Beeb or Natwest should be in for a nice lawsuit.

Either bbc made a claim that wasn't backed up by what Dam Rose said and defamed Nigel

Or Dame Rose horrifically failed GDPR"

They will go into la la mode and front it out then name themselves as victims of being cancelled.

The left have no shame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"BREAK: Natwest CEO Dame Alison Rose confesses she was source of incorrect Farage story:

"I recognise that in my conversations with Simon Jack of the BBC, I made a serious error of judgment in discussing Mr Farage’s relationship with the bank. "

Well well it looks like there was a very large data breach on behalf of Natwest.

Either auntie Beeb or Natwest should be in for a nice lawsuit.

Either bbc made a claim that wasn't backed up by what Dam Rose said and defamed Nigel

Or Dame Rose horrifically failed GDPR

They will go into la la mode and front it out then name themselves as victims of being cancelled.

The left have no shame."

Very few people in politics claim ‘cancelled’ more than Farage. He was doing it when he had a national radio show for Christ’s sake.

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

What happened to confidentiality, privacy, GDPR regulations? She and the committee that support her should be kicked out straight away.

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By *lfasoCouple
over a year ago

South East

Quite possibly she will be gone before the market opens. Howard Davies is also not looking secure.

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By *entlemanFoxMan
over a year ago

North East / London

"Quite possibly she will be gone before the market opens. Howard Davies is also not looking secure."

Very prescient. I agree chairman is on a sticky wicket.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She’s resigned!

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

She's already gone. Went after an emergency board meeting last night.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Farage 1, NatWest 0

Are they going to sack the BBC presenter now?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

RBS are part of the Natwest Group, of which the state owns 38.6%. It was as high as 84% in 2008 when they were bailed out. "

Thanks. So the state (and our representatives the Govt) have direct as well as regulatory influence over this whole situation.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

RBS are part of the Natwest Group, of which the state owns 38.6%. It was as high as 84% in 2008 when they were bailed out.

Thanks. So the state (and our representatives the Govt) have direct as well as regulatory influence over this whole situation. "

I would assume so.

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By *lfasoCouple
over a year ago

South East

"Quite possibly she will be gone before the market opens. Howard Davies is also not looking secure.

Very prescient. I agree chairman is on a sticky wicket. "

I never promised you a Rose pardon

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By *orleyman OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

Yup she's gone. I would expect more to follow.

Farage now has a very serious legal case on his hands which might just give him enough funds to keep his coutts account open.

And to think. Soe people in here were so sure he was lying just because of who he was.

This is why maybe we discuss the claim/data/lega side.

Not the source.

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By *lfasoCouple
over a year ago

South East

"Yup she's gone. I would expect more to follow.

Farage now has a very serious legal case on his hands which might just give him enough funds to keep his coutts account open.

And to think. Soe people in here were so sure he was lying just because of who he was.

This is why maybe we discuss the claim/data/lega side.

Not the source."

Strange too that the usual suspects were so quick to align themselves with a 'greedy bank chief' earning £5m pa. Your enemy's enemy is your friend I guess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yup she's gone. I would expect more to follow.

Farage now has a very serious legal case on his hands which might just give him enough funds to keep his coutts account open.

And to think. Soe people in here were so sure he was lying just because of who he was.

This is why maybe we discuss the claim/data/lega side.

Not the source."
I'm still not clear on all the details so I do think it will be interesting it this goes further.

Has he enough with them? He seemed to confirm at the start he hadn't, and it had been like that for a while.

What was confirmed by Rose and what was implied?

She was wrong to share details. The documents produced we're unprofessional. But I've yet to see a statement the decision was wrong. I do wonder why that hasn't happened yet?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Maximum fine is 4% of turnover if there has been a data breach.

As Farage said once said famously you’re not laughing now.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Farage 1, NatWest 0

Are they going to sack the BBC presenter now?"

Why would they? Coutts have admitted that they gave him the story, so he reported it in good faith.

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By *lfasoCouple
over a year ago

South East

"Farage 1, NatWest 0

Are they going to sack the BBC presenter now?

Why would they? Coutts have admitted that they gave him the story, so he reported it in good faith."

Did the article give equal weight and exposure to NF’s (accurate) version of events?

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By *orleyman OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"Farage 1, NatWest 0

Are they going to sack the BBC presenter now?

Why would they? Coutts have admitted that they gave him the story, so he reported it in good faith."

Agreed.

It seemed to me either the beeb or coutts were lying/ at fault.

Coutts( rbs) has now admitted fault.

I would think beeb in the clear.

I'm flabbergasted a ceo breached data protection so brazenly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yup she's gone. I would expect more to follow.

Farage now has a very serious legal case on his hands which might just give him enough funds to keep his coutts account open.

And to think. Soe people in here were so sure he was lying just because of who he was.

This is why maybe we discuss the claim/data/lega side.

Not the source.I'm still not clear on all the details so I do think it will be interesting it this goes further.

Has he enough with them? He seemed to confirm at the start he hadn't, and it had been like that for a while.

What was confirmed by Rose and what was implied?

She was wrong to share details. The documents produced we're unprofessional. But I've yet to see a statement the decision was wrong. I do wonder why that hasn't happened yet?

Indeed. The issue appears to be the leak, not the account closure.

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By *lfasoCouple
over a year ago

South East

"Yup she's gone. I would expect more to follow.

Farage now has a very serious legal case on his hands which might just give him enough funds to keep his coutts account open.

And to think. Soe people in here were so sure he was lying just because of who he was.

This is why maybe we discuss the claim/data/lega side.

Not the source.I'm still not clear on all the details so I do think it will be interesting it this goes further.

Has he enough with them? He seemed to confirm at the start he hadn't, and it had been like that for a while.

What was confirmed by Rose and what was implied?

She was wrong to share details. The documents produced we're unprofessional. But I've yet to see a statement the decision was wrong. I do wonder why that hasn't happened yet?

Indeed. The issue appears to be the leak, not the account closure."

So closing customers’ accounts according to their legal political belief is ok in your book?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yup she's gone. I would expect more to follow.

Farage now has a very serious legal case on his hands which might just give him enough funds to keep his coutts account open.

And to think. Soe people in here were so sure he was lying just because of who he was.

This is why maybe we discuss the claim/data/lega side.

Not the source.I'm still not clear on all the details so I do think it will be interesting it this goes further.

Has he enough with them? He seemed to confirm at the start he hadn't, and it had been like that for a while.

What was confirmed by Rose and what was implied?

She was wrong to share details. The documents produced we're unprofessional. But I've yet to see a statement the decision was wrong. I do wonder why that hasn't happened yet?

Indeed. The issue appears to be the leak, not the account closure.

So closing customers’ accounts according to their legal political belief is ok in your book?"

They said in the document that it was due to his ‘publicly stated views’ - Farage has previously made xenophobic statements about Romanians and suchlike.

And we still don’t know whether he had the funds to retain the account.

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By *orleyman OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"Yup she's gone. I would expect more to follow.

Farage now has a very serious legal case on his hands which might just give him enough funds to keep his coutts account open.

And to think. Soe people in here were so sure he was lying just because of who he was.

This is why maybe we discuss the claim/data/lega side.

Not the source.I'm still not clear on all the details so I do think it will be interesting it this goes further.

Has he enough with them? He seemed to confirm at the start he hadn't, and it had been like that for a while.

What was confirmed by Rose and what was implied?

She was wrong to share details. The documents produced we're unprofessional. But I've yet to see a statement the decision was wrong. I do wonder why that hasn't happened yet?

Indeed. The issue appears to be the leak, not the account closure.

So closing customers’ accounts according to their legal political belief is ok in your book?"

No they can not.

It's illegal to do such things.

People were quoted the legal.text in this forum ironically brought in by the e.u

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Farage 1, NatWest 0

Are they going to sack the BBC presenter now?"

"Why would they? Coutts have admitted that they gave him the story, so he reported it in good faith."

"Did the article give equal weight and exposure to NF’s (accurate) version of events?"

It was fairly even-handed. And the BBC have published a full apology, which they link to in every article about the issue. I think they've dealt with this as best they could.

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By *orleyman OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"Farage 1, NatWest 0

Are they going to sack the BBC presenter now?

Why would they? Coutts have admitted that they gave him the story, so he reported it in good faith.

Did the article give equal weight and exposure to NF’s (accurate) version of events?

It was fairly even-handed. And the BBC have published a full apology, which they link to in every article about the issue. I think they've dealt with this as best they could."

Really they shouldn't have ever publishes it for me.

They knew rose was breaking the law telling them.

They couldn't confirm the economic contributions of nigel( which turned out to be incorrect)

They didn't do their due diligence.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Yup she's gone. I would expect more to follow.

Farage now has a very serious legal case on his hands which might just give him enough funds to keep his coutts account open.

And to think. Soe people in here were so sure he was lying just because of who he was.

This is why maybe we discuss the claim/data/lega side.

Not the source.I'm still not clear on all the details so I do think it will be interesting it this goes further.

Has he enough with them? He seemed to confirm at the start he hadn't, and it had been like that for a while.

What was confirmed by Rose and what was implied?

She was wrong to share details. The documents produced we're unprofessional. But I've yet to see a statement the decision was wrong. I do wonder why that hasn't happened yet?

Indeed. The issue appears to be the leak, not the account closure.

So closing customers’ accounts according to their legal political belief is ok in your book?

They said in the document that it was due to his ‘publicly stated views’ - Farage has previously made xenophobic statements about Romanians and suchlike.

And we still don’t know whether he had the funds to retain the account.

you’re not getting this are you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yup she's gone. I would expect more to follow.

Farage now has a very serious legal case on his hands which might just give him enough funds to keep his coutts account open.

And to think. Soe people in here were so sure he was lying just because of who he was.

This is why maybe we discuss the claim/data/lega side.

Not the source.I'm still not clear on all the details so I do think it will be interesting it this goes further.

Has he enough with them? He seemed to confirm at the start he hadn't, and it had been like that for a while.

What was confirmed by Rose and what was implied?

She was wrong to share details. The documents produced we're unprofessional. But I've yet to see a statement the decision was wrong. I do wonder why that hasn't happened yet?

Indeed. The issue appears to be the leak, not the account closure.

So closing customers’ accounts according to their legal political belief is ok in your book?

They said in the document that it was due to his ‘publicly stated views’ - Farage has previously made xenophobic statements about Romanians and suchlike.

And we still don’t know whether he had the funds to retain the account.

you’re not getting this are you? "

Of course I am. Coutts have dropped an absolute clanger and will rightly be taken to task - but if you have proof that Farage’s account was above the threshold or that he hasn’t publicly stated xenophobic views then feel free to show it, I’ll happily apologise.

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By *orleyman OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"Yup she's gone. I would expect more to follow.

Farage now has a very serious legal case on his hands which might just give him enough funds to keep his coutts account open.

And to think. Soe people in here were so sure he was lying just because of who he was.

This is why maybe we discuss the claim/data/lega side.

Not the source.I'm still not clear on all the details so I do think it will be interesting it this goes further.

Has he enough with them? He seemed to confirm at the start he hadn't, and it had been like that for a while.

What was confirmed by Rose and what was implied?

She was wrong to share details. The documents produced we're unprofessional. But I've yet to see a statement the decision was wrong. I do wonder why that hasn't happened yet?

Indeed. The issue appears to be the leak, not the account closure.

So closing customers’ accounts according to their legal political belief is ok in your book?

They said in the document that it was due to his ‘publicly stated views’ - Farage has previously made xenophobic statements about Romanians and suchlike.

And we still don’t know whether he had the funds to retain the account.

you’re not getting this are you? "

Wilful ignorance

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By *orleyman OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"The clients EC is now sufficient to retain on a commercial basis."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Farage’s comment on his finances - “well they didn’t have a problem for the last ten years’

Of course if he meets the threshold, I’m sure he’ll be offered another account, given the past 48 hours. If

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Farage’s comment about Romanians:

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

We can pretend that’s not xenophobic if we like. It would be stupid and infantile to do so, but we could, I guess.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Farage’s comment about Romanians:

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

We can pretend that’s not xenophobic if we like. It would be stupid and infantile to do so, but we could, I guess."

Let's assume that is is indeed xenophobic. How is that relevant to the discussion in this thread?

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By *orleyman OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"Farage’s comment about Romanians:

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

We can pretend that’s not xenophobic if we like. It would be stupid and infantile to do so, but we could, I guess.

Let's assume that is is indeed xenophobic. How is that relevant to the discussion in this thread?"

I've never met a xenophobe who married a person from another country.

Kind of undermines the phobia part.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""The clients EC is now sufficient to retain on a commercial basis.""
as at November 2022. When he still had a mortgage.

You don't know his EC when his account was closed

We don't even know when his account was closed.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Farage 1, NatWest 0

Are they going to sack the BBC presenter now?

Why would they? Coutts have admitted that they gave him the story, so he reported it in good faith.

Did the article give equal weight and exposure to NF’s (accurate) version of events?

It was fairly even-handed. And the BBC have published a full apology, which they link to in every article about the issue. I think they've dealt with this as best they could.

Really they shouldn't have ever publishes it for me.

They knew rose was breaking the law telling them.

They couldn't confirm the economic contributions of nigel( which turned out to be incorrect)

They didn't do their due diligence."

I think the BBC have to thoroughly investigate their part in this too. Many (myself included) said the article would have to had passed certain tests before being reported. Either it somehow did not get checked or those checking thought it OK to publish such things. Worse still they might have known it was wrong but when they seen who it was about decided it's OK to proceed anyway

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By *orleyman OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

""The clients EC is now sufficient to retain on a commercial basis."as at November 2022. When he still had a mortgage.

You don't know his EC when his account was closed

We don't even know when his account was closed.

The decision was made at the same time they said his ec was viable.

It is there in the document.

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By *orleyman OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

November 22( exact same time for both of the below points)

Page 1. " exiting NF next year on commercial grounds when mortgage rolls off"

Page 3 " following declassification the clients EC is now sufficient to retain on commercial basis"

The decision was made in 2022. They did bot knkw what the future looked like.

The decision had been made that they would de bank him.

I am sorry this doesn't fit your narrative. But this is the cold hard fact of the case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Farage’s comment about Romanians:

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

We can pretend that’s not xenophobic if we like. It would be stupid and infantile to do so, but we could, I guess.

Let's assume that is is indeed xenophobic. How is that relevant to the discussion in this thread?"

The Coutts memo branded him as a risk because he’s xenophobic. I’d argue that bit is accurate.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Farage’s comment about Romanians:

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

We can pretend that’s not xenophobic if we like. It would be stupid and infantile to do so, but we could, I guess.

Let's assume that is is indeed xenophobic. How is that relevant to the discussion in this thread?

The Coutts memo branded him as a risk because he’s xenophobic. I’d argue that bit is accurate.

You mean you are trying to blame the “victim” for something, anything as long as the victim isn’t seen as an innocent victim?

I’ve seen this way of thinking before, have you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Farage’s comment about Romanians:

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

We can pretend that’s not xenophobic if we like. It would be stupid and infantile to do so, but we could, I guess.

Let's assume that is is indeed xenophobic. How is that relevant to the discussion in this thread?

The Coutts memo branded him as a risk because he’s xenophobic. I’d argue that bit is accurate.

You mean you are trying to blame the “victim” for something, anything as long as the victim isn’t seen as an innocent victim?

I’ve seen this way of thinking before, have you?"

No, I’m pointing out that this case isn’t necessarily binary.

Was the leaking of Farage’s name wrong? Yes. 100%

Is it also possible that Farage’s account was closed legitimately but handled appallingly? Also yes.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Farage’s comment about Romanians:

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

We can pretend that’s not xenophobic if we like. It would be stupid and infantile to do so, but we could, I guess.

Let's assume that is is indeed xenophobic. How is that relevant to the discussion in this thread?

The Coutts memo branded him as a risk because he’s xenophobic. I’d argue that bit is accurate.

You mean you are trying to blame the “victim” for something, anything as long as the victim isn’t seen as an innocent victim?

I’ve seen this way of thinking before, have you?

No, I’m pointing out that this case isn’t necessarily binary.

Was the leaking of Farage’s name wrong? Yes. 100%

Is it also possible that Farage’s account was closed legitimately but handled appallingly? Also yes.

Are you associating blame to the victim?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Farage’s comment about Romanians:

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

We can pretend that’s not xenophobic if we like. It would be stupid and infantile to do so, but we could, I guess.

Let's assume that is is indeed xenophobic. How is that relevant to the discussion in this thread?

The Coutts memo branded him as a risk because he’s xenophobic. I’d argue that bit is accurate.

You mean you are trying to blame the “victim” for something, anything as long as the victim isn’t seen as an innocent victim?

I’ve seen this way of thinking before, have you?

No, I’m pointing out that this case isn’t necessarily binary.

Was the leaking of Farage’s name wrong? Yes. 100%

Is it also possible that Farage’s account was closed legitimately but handled appallingly? Also yes.

Are you associating blame to the victim?"

I think Farage shouldn’t have had his name bandied across the press on this issue. In that sense he is a victim deserving of no blame.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Farage’s comment about Romanians:

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

We can pretend that’s not xenophobic if we like. It would be stupid and infantile to do so, but we could, I guess.

Let's assume that is is indeed xenophobic. How is that relevant to the discussion in this thread?

The Coutts memo branded him as a risk because he’s xenophobic. I’d argue that bit is accurate.

You mean you are trying to blame the “victim” for something, anything as long as the victim isn’t seen as an innocent victim?

I’ve seen this way of thinking before, have you?

No, I’m pointing out that this case isn’t necessarily binary.

Was the leaking of Farage’s name wrong? Yes. 100%

Is it also possible that Farage’s account was closed legitimately but handled appallingly? Also yes.

Are you associating blame to the victim?

I think Farage shouldn’t have had his name bandied across the press on this issue. In that sense he is a victim deserving of no blame. "

Why, if Nigel Farage is a victim, do you feel the need to keep saying Farage blah, Farage blah.

Exactly the same MO as the journalist thread that I started.

That'll be why some people think you're victim blaming.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Farage’s comment about Romanians:

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

We can pretend that’s not xenophobic if we like. It would be stupid and infantile to do so, but we could, I guess.

Let's assume that is is indeed xenophobic. How is that relevant to the discussion in this thread?

The Coutts memo branded him as a risk because he’s xenophobic. I’d argue that bit is accurate.

You mean you are trying to blame the “victim” for something, anything as long as the victim isn’t seen as an innocent victim?

I’ve seen this way of thinking before, have you?

No, I’m pointing out that this case isn’t necessarily binary.

Was the leaking of Farage’s name wrong? Yes. 100%

Is it also possible that Farage’s account was closed legitimately but handled appallingly? Also yes.

Are you associating blame to the victim?

I think Farage shouldn’t have had his name bandied across the press on this issue. In that sense he is a victim deserving of no blame.

Why, if Nigel Farage is a victim, do you feel the need to keep saying Farage blah, Farage blah.

Exactly the same MO as the journalist thread that I started.

That'll be why some people think you're victim blaming."

I’ve said nothing out of context.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

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"Farage’s comment about Romanians:

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

We can pretend that’s not xenophobic if we like. It would be stupid and infantile to do so, but we could, I guess.

Let's assume that is is indeed xenophobic. How is that relevant to the discussion in this thread?

The Coutts memo branded him as a risk because he’s xenophobic. I’d argue that bit is accurate.

You mean you are trying to blame the “victim” for something, anything as long as the victim isn’t seen as an innocent victim?

I’ve seen this way of thinking before, have you?

No, I’m pointing out that this case isn’t necessarily binary.

Was the leaking of Farage’s name wrong? Yes. 100%

Is it also possible that Farage’s account was closed legitimately but handled appallingly? Also yes.

Are you associating blame to the victim?

I think Farage shouldn’t have had his name bandied across the press on this issue. In that sense he is a victim deserving of no blame.

Why, if Nigel Farage is a victim, do you feel the need to keep saying Farage blah, Farage blah.

Exactly the same MO as the journalist thread that I started.

That'll be why some people think you're victim blaming.

I’ve said nothing out of context. "

You may not think so. Let me tell you this, this thread is about Dame Rose, yet every single post bar 2 of yours has mentioned Farage.

Does that help at all?

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over a year ago

"Farage’s comment about Romanians:

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

We can pretend that’s not xenophobic if we like. It would be stupid and infantile to do so, but we could, I guess.

Let's assume that is is indeed xenophobic. How is that relevant to the discussion in this thread?

The Coutts memo branded him as a risk because he’s xenophobic. I’d argue that bit is accurate.

You mean you are trying to blame the “victim” for something, anything as long as the victim isn’t seen as an innocent victim?

I’ve seen this way of thinking before, have you?

No, I’m pointing out that this case isn’t necessarily binary.

Was the leaking of Farage’s name wrong? Yes. 100%

Is it also possible that Farage’s account was closed legitimately but handled appallingly? Also yes.

Are you associating blame to the victim?

I think Farage shouldn’t have had his name bandied across the press on this issue. In that sense he is a victim deserving of no blame.

Why, if Nigel Farage is a victim, do you feel the need to keep saying Farage blah, Farage blah.

Exactly the same MO as the journalist thread that I started.

That'll be why some people think you're victim blaming.

I’ve said nothing out of context.

You may not think so. Let me tell you this, this thread is about Dame Rose, yet every single post bar 2 of yours has mentioned Farage.

Does that help at all? "

Not really since the two are inexorably linked.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Farage’s comment about Romanians:

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

We can pretend that’s not xenophobic if we like. It would be stupid and infantile to do so, but we could, I guess.

Let's assume that is is indeed xenophobic. How is that relevant to the discussion in this thread?

The Coutts memo branded him as a risk because he’s xenophobic. I’d argue that bit is accurate.

You mean you are trying to blame the “victim” for something, anything as long as the victim isn’t seen as an innocent victim?

I’ve seen this way of thinking before, have you?

No, I’m pointing out that this case isn’t necessarily binary.

Was the leaking of Farage’s name wrong? Yes. 100%

Is it also possible that Farage’s account was closed legitimately but handled appallingly? Also yes.

Are you associating blame to the victim?

I think Farage shouldn’t have had his name bandied across the press on this issue. In that sense he is a victim deserving of no blame.

Why, if Nigel Farage is a victim, do you feel the need to keep saying Farage blah, Farage blah.

Exactly the same MO as the journalist thread that I started.

That'll be why some people think you're victim blaming.

I’ve said nothing out of context.

You may not think so. Let me tell you this, this thread is about Dame Rose, yet every single post bar 2 of yours has mentioned Farage.

Does that help at all?

Not really since the two are inexorably linked."

There are none so blind as those who will not see...

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Farage’s comment about Romanians:

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

We can pretend that’s not xenophobic if we like. It would be stupid and infantile to do so, but we could, I guess.

Let's assume that is is indeed xenophobic. How is that relevant to the discussion in this thread?

The Coutts memo branded him as a risk because he’s xenophobic. I’d argue that bit is accurate.

You mean you are trying to blame the “victim” for something, anything as long as the victim isn’t seen as an innocent victim?

I’ve seen this way of thinking before, have you?

No, I’m pointing out that this case isn’t necessarily binary.

Was the leaking of Farage’s name wrong? Yes. 100%

Is it also possible that Farage’s account was closed legitimately but handled appallingly? Also yes.

Are you associating blame to the victim?

I think Farage shouldn’t have had his name bandied across the press on this issue. In that sense he is a victim deserving of no blame.

Why, if Nigel Farage is a victim, do you feel the need to keep saying Farage blah, Farage blah.

Exactly the same MO as the journalist thread that I started.

That'll be why some people think you're victim blaming.

I’ve said nothing out of context. "

Meaning you understand the way you have been seen to blame the victim in your posts, or that you are correct to blame the victim?

I think you have answered this already, but this answer seems to have skewed the original

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