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"Can we please come to an agreement on this forum. Trust his words or don't trust his words. I dont trust his words personally and have never quoted him. Others then to dismiss what he says on some subjects as a sbake oil salesman and liar, but then quote him on occasions when it suits them. Can we please have some continuity on this?" Just have another beer  | |||
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"Can we please come to an agreement on this forum. Trust his words or don't trust his words. I dont trust his words personally and have never quoted him. Others then to dismiss what he says on some subjects as a sbake oil salesman and liar, but then quote him on occasions when it suits them. Can we please have some continuity on this?" I think when the most prominent brexiter of them all says ‘Brexit has failed’ it’s worthy of note. I think when he says ‘French mechanics tried to assassinate me’ it should be taken with a pinch of salt. | |||
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"Can we please come to an agreement on this forum. Trust his words or don't trust his words. I dont trust his words personally and have never quoted him. Others then to dismiss what he says on some subjects as a sbake oil salesman and liar, but then quote him on occasions when it suits them. Can we please have some continuity on this? I think when the most prominent brexiter of them all says ‘Brexit has failed’ it’s worthy of note. I think when he says ‘French mechanics tried to assassinate me’ it should be taken with a pinch of salt. " So can we get you to decide whether you trust nigel or not? Dipping in and out of him being s trustworthy quoteable source 1 day, then saying he isn't trustworthy the next gets tiresome. | |||
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"Can we please come to an agreement on this forum. Trust his words or don't trust his words. I dont trust his words personally and have never quoted him. Others then to dismiss what he says on some subjects as a sbake oil salesman and liar, but then quote him on occasions when it suits them. Can we please have some continuity on this? I think when the most prominent brexiter of them all says ‘Brexit has failed’ it’s worthy of note. I think when he says ‘French mechanics tried to assassinate me’ it should be taken with a pinch of salt. So can we get you to decide whether you trust nigel or not? Dipping in and out of him being s trustworthy quoteable source 1 day, then saying he isn't trustworthy the next gets tiresome. " In your world then, someone is either always reliable or never? No grey areas? Interesting. Does that extend to your twitter sources? | |||
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"Can we please come to an agreement on this forum. Trust his words or don't trust his words. I dont trust his words personally and have never quoted him. Others then to dismiss what he says on some subjects as a sbake oil salesman and liar, but then quote him on occasions when it suits them. Can we please have some continuity on this? I think when the most prominent brexiter of them all says ‘Brexit has failed’ it’s worthy of note. I think when he says ‘French mechanics tried to assassinate me’ it should be taken with a pinch of salt. So can we get you to decide whether you trust nigel or not? Dipping in and out of him being s trustworthy quoteable source 1 day, then saying he isn't trustworthy the next gets tiresome. In your world then, someone is either always reliable or never? No grey areas? Interesting. Does that extend to your twitter sources? " In terms of if I am quoting them then yes I would quote them whether good or bad. I wouldnt pick and chose which of their quotes I chose to believe. Either I think a person is trustworthy or I do not. | |||
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"Can we please come to an agreement on this forum. Trust his words or don't trust his words. I dont trust his words personally and have never quoted him. Others then to dismiss what he says on some subjects as a sbake oil salesman and liar, but then quote him on occasions when it suits them. Can we please have some continuity on this? I think when the most prominent brexiter of them all says ‘Brexit has failed’ it’s worthy of note. I think when he says ‘French mechanics tried to assassinate me’ it should be taken with a pinch of salt. So can we get you to decide whether you trust nigel or not? Dipping in and out of him being s trustworthy quoteable source 1 day, then saying he isn't trustworthy the next gets tiresome. In your world then, someone is either always reliable or never? No grey areas? Interesting. Does that extend to your twitter sources? In terms of if I am quoting them then yes I would quote them whether good or bad. I wouldnt pick and chose which of their quotes I chose to believe. Either I think a person is trustworthy or I do not." Oh Farage isn’t trustworthy, of course not. He’s a proven liar. But when even he is unable to present a positive argument for Brexit, it speaks volumes, no? | |||
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"What a weird thread. Feels like a “gotcha”. Who in their right mind (unless you were thick) would believe Farage? But Morley is going for “so therefore Brexit must be working cos Farage!” So far Brexit is a turd. Farage was the chief turd polisher. But maybe he realises what is getting left on his hands and under his finger nails?" long story short - because Farage is a proven liar, Morley thinks I should be consistent and not believe anything he says, including ‘Brexit has failed’ Personally speaking, I think when Brexit is so shit that even Farage can’t defend it, that’s worthy of note | |||
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"What a weird thread. Feels like a “gotcha”. Who in their right mind (unless you were thick) would believe Farage? But Morley is going for “so therefore Brexit must be working cos Farage!” So far Brexit is a turd. Farage was the chief turd polisher. But maybe he realises what is getting left on his hands and under his finger nails?" Apparently farage is believable when discussing the economics of brexit in 2016. But when discussing banks and closing accounts among other things about cars etc. He's not to be trusted. I feel either you believe farage or you don't. You can't dip in and out of closing when you believe his words. | |||
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"What a weird thread. Feels like a “gotcha”. Who in their right mind (unless you were thick) would believe Farage? But Morley is going for “so therefore Brexit must be working cos Farage!” So far Brexit is a turd. Farage was the chief turd polisher. But maybe he realises what is getting left on his hands and under his finger nails? Apparently farage is believable when discussing the economics of brexit in 2016. But when discussing banks and closing accounts among other things about cars etc. He's not to be trusted. I feel either you believe farage or you don't. You can't dip in and out of closing when you believe his words." Do you think people are binary? They either tell the truth totally, in whole 100% of the time, or they lie completely 100% of the time? Because that’s literally your argument. | |||
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"Oh Farage isn’t trustworthy, of course not. He’s a proven liar. But when even he is unable to present a positive argument for Brexit, it speaks volumes, no? " Your original claim was that he didn't have a positive economic argument, but now you seem to have taken it beyond the believable. He presented lots of positive arguments on why Brexit would be a good idea. You don't get that many votes for your nascent political party without having some sort of good argument. Of course, you may not have agreed with those arguments, but it's clear that many people did. | |||
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"Oh Farage isn’t trustworthy, of course not. He’s a proven liar. But when even he is unable to present a positive argument for Brexit, it speaks volumes, no? Your original claim was that he didn't have a positive economic argument, but now you seem to have taken it beyond the believable. He presented lots of positive arguments on why Brexit would be a good idea. You don't get that many votes for your nascent political party without having some sort of good argument. Of course, you may not have agreed with those arguments, but it's clear that many people did." Oh my bad, I did indeed miss the word economic from there. My apologies, was not intentional. Farage did present some positive arguments for Brexit - generally the ones that involved remaining in the CU/SM. | |||
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"Can we please come to an agreement on this forum. Trust his words or don't trust his words. I dont trust his words personally and have never quoted him. Others then to dismiss what he says on some subjects as a sbake oil salesman and liar, but then quote him on occasions when it suits them. Can we please have some continuity on this?" Presumably even a lying sack of shit like Farage occasionally tells the truth? | |||
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"What a weird thread. Feels like a “gotcha”. Who in their right mind (unless you were thick) would believe Farage? But Morley is going for “so therefore Brexit must be working cos Farage!” So far Brexit is a turd. Farage was the chief turd polisher. But maybe he realises what is getting left on his hands and under his finger nails?" Brexit is the unpolishable turd. That's presumably why Farage was quoted blaming the Tories for it all. | |||
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"What a weird thread. Feels like a “gotcha”. Who in their right mind (unless you were thick) would believe Farage? But Morley is going for “so therefore Brexit must be working cos Farage!” So far Brexit is a turd. Farage was the chief turd polisher. But maybe he realises what is getting left on his hands and under his finger nails? Apparently farage is believable when discussing the economics of brexit in 2016. But when discussing banks and closing accounts among other things about cars etc. He's not to be trusted. I feel either you believe farage or you don't. You can't dip in and out of closing when you believe his words. Do you think people are binary? They either tell the truth totally, in whole 100% of the time, or they lie completely 100% of the time? Because that’s literally your argument. " I think people are trustworthy or they aren't. Sadly your reputation on here is beginning to precede you. Much like farage That of a liar. You seem not to believe any words farage says. Except when it benefits your argument. More flip-flops than boris and sks put together from you over whether farage is to be believed or not. | |||
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"What a weird thread. Feels like a “gotcha”. Who in their right mind (unless you were thick) would believe Farage? But Morley is going for “so therefore Brexit must be working cos Farage!” So far Brexit is a turd. Farage was the chief turd polisher. But maybe he realises what is getting left on his hands and under his finger nails? Apparently farage is believable when discussing the economics of brexit in 2016. But when discussing banks and closing accounts among other things about cars etc. He's not to be trusted. I feel either you believe farage or you don't. You can't dip in and out of closing when you believe his words. Do you think people are binary? They either tell the truth totally, in whole 100% of the time, or they lie completely 100% of the time? Because that’s literally your argument. I think people are trustworthy or they aren't. Sadly your reputation on here is beginning to precede you. Much like farage That of a liar. You seem not to believe any words farage says. Except when it benefits your argument. More flip-flops than boris and sks put together from you over whether farage is to be believed or not." Why, when you’re proven wrong, do you not apologise for calling people liars, Morley? Are you not concerned about your credibility? Silly me. Of course you’re not. You just double down. | |||
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"Can we please come to an agreement on this forum. Trust his words or don't trust his words. I dont trust his words personally and have never quoted him. Others then to dismiss what he says on some subjects as a sbake oil salesman and liar, but then quote him on occasions when it suits them. Can we please have some continuity on this? Presumably even a lying sack of shit like Farage occasionally tells the truth?" Well a broken clock is correct twice a day! Farage was like a broken record! Is that similar | |||
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"What a weird thread. Feels like a “gotcha”. Who in their right mind (unless you were thick) would believe Farage? But Morley is going for “so therefore Brexit must be working cos Farage!” So far Brexit is a turd. Farage was the chief turd polisher. But maybe he realises what is getting left on his hands and under his finger nails? Apparently farage is believable when discussing the economics of brexit in 2016. But when discussing banks and closing accounts among other things about cars etc. He's not to be trusted. I feel either you believe farage or you don't. You can't dip in and out of closing when you believe his words. Do you think people are binary? They either tell the truth totally, in whole 100% of the time, or they lie completely 100% of the time? Because that’s literally your argument. I think people are trustworthy or they aren't. Sadly your reputation on here is beginning to precede you. Much like farage That of a liar. You seem not to believe any words farage says. Except when it benefits your argument. More flip-flops than boris and sks put together from you over whether farage is to be believed or not." Is Farage part of the Tufty Club? | |||
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"What a weird thread. Feels like a “gotcha”. Who in their right mind (unless you were thick) would believe Farage? But Morley is going for “so therefore Brexit must be working cos Farage!” So far Brexit is a turd. Farage was the chief turd polisher. But maybe he realises what is getting left on his hands and under his finger nails? Apparently farage is believable when discussing the economics of brexit in 2016. But when discussing banks and closing accounts among other things about cars etc. He's not to be trusted. I feel either you believe farage or you don't. You can't dip in and out of closing when you believe his words. Do you think people are binary? They either tell the truth totally, in whole 100% of the time, or they lie completely 100% of the time? Because that’s literally your argument. I think people are trustworthy or they aren't. Sadly your reputation on here is beginning to precede you. Much like farage That of a liar. You seem not to believe any words farage says. Except when it benefits your argument. More flip-flops than boris and sks put together from you over whether farage is to be believed or not. Is Farage part of the Tufty Club?" Well he has links with Civitas, who are based there. And of course Richard Tice… | |||
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"Is there a completely trustworthy politician in the land? Love him or loathe him, it's unlikely Brexit would have happened without his constant sniping at the EU and attendant publicity. History will record him as either a hero or villain once the long term impact of Brexit is known." If his plans crash had ended ‘differently’ then we’d not have left the EU. (That’s not me wishing anyone dead before the usual suspects pipe-up) That’s a mark of how effective he was. | |||
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"Is there a completely trustworthy politician in the land? Love him or loathe him, it's unlikely Brexit would have happened without his constant sniping at the EU and attendant publicity. History will record him as either a hero or villain once the long term impact of Brexit is known." Villain. There was never a positive outcome of brexit for British people, short, medium or long term. That's not what it was about. | |||
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"When a goalie says the ball didn't cross the line I'm more cynical than if they said it did. Even if he's been proven to have lied on the past, I'd be more inclined to take his word when it goes against his agenda. " So the you are picking and choosing when some 1 is to be believed. Good to know. | |||
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"Does farage lie… yup! Has he had any mea culpa on brexit lately… nope! Does that answer the question! " Not really no. Are people choosing when they believe a politician based on what they say. Seemingly so. | |||
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"Does farage lie… yup! Has he had any mea culpa on brexit lately… nope! Does that answer the question! Not really no. Are people choosing when they believe a politician based on what they say. Seemingly so." No one is "believing" Farage when he says brexit has failed. Clearly either: A. Brexit happened, so it has not failed. In which case he's telling a lie, as we've left the EU. B. However if he's talking about brexit being successful for British people or not. Clearly it's not. So it's the truth. (although his statement is misleading as it implies there was a possible positive outcome from brexit). Why is this even a discussion point? Who care what the lying sack of shit does or doesn't say. | |||
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"When a goalie says the ball didn't cross the line I'm more cynical than if they said it did. Even if he's been proven to have lied on the past, I'd be more inclined to take his word when it goes against his agenda. So the you are picking and choosing when some 1 is to be believed. Good to know. " So you believe human either tell the truth 100% of the time or lie 100% of the time. Like programmed robots..? | |||
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"When a goalie says the ball didn't cross the line I'm more cynical than if they said it did. Even if he's been proven to have lied on the past, I'd be more inclined to take his word when it goes against his agenda. So the you are picking and choosing when some 1 is to be believed. Good to know. " You don’t believe that a goalie wouldn’t do that? Or a defender wouldn’t throw up an arm for offside in the vain hope of getting a whistle? And that would mean they can never be trusted on any subject? You’re aware of how naive and frankly stupid that is? | |||
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"When a goalie says the ball didn't cross the line I'm more cynical than if they said it did. Even if he's been proven to have lied on the past, I'd be more inclined to take his word when it goes against his agenda. So the you are picking and choosing when some 1 is to be believed. Good to know. So you believe human either tell the truth 100% of the time or lie 100% of the time. Like programmed robots..?" No, he doesn’t believe that. He’s just pretending he does because he wants to try and score a point. | |||
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"When a goalie says the ball didn't cross the line I'm more cynical than if they said it did. Even if he's been proven to have lied on the past, I'd be more inclined to take his word when it goes against his agenda. So the you are picking and choosing when some 1 is to be believed. Good to know. " No. I give more credibility to statement that would go against someones agenda than when it supports their agenda. Or at the very least, I'm more interested in it. Do you believe everything everyone says ? Or do you believe everything some people say and nothing others say? How do you navigate this? One can't go back to primary evidence on everything! | |||
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"When a goalie says the ball didn't cross the line I'm more cynical than if they said it did. Even if he's been proven to have lied on the past, I'd be more inclined to take his word when it goes against his agenda. So the you are picking and choosing when some 1 is to be believed. Good to know. No. I give more credibility to statement that would go against someones agenda than when it supports their agenda. Or at the very least, I'm more interested in it." I'm not here to sell you double glazing, I mean I do sell it but I can see you wouldn't really need it. However if you are interested in being 20% more efficient in energy savings I could recommend an air source heat pump, and you will get a 5k grant from the government if you install one. Far better return than the double glazing I sell, now if you are interested and I'm cutting my own throat here, take this card and let them know I sent you and I'm sure they will do you a deal. That sort of not part of their agenda? | |||
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"When a goalie says the ball didn't cross the line I'm more cynical than if they said it did. Even if he's been proven to have lied on the past, I'd be more inclined to take his word when it goes against his agenda. So the you are picking and choosing when some 1 is to be believed. Good to know. No. I give more credibility to statement that would go against someones agenda than when it supports their agenda. Or at the very least, I'm more interested in it. I'm not here to sell you double glazing, I mean I do sell it but I can see you wouldn't really need it. However if you are interested in being 20% more efficient in energy savings I could recommend an air source heat pump, and you will get a 5k grant from the government if you install one. Far better return than the double glazing I sell, now if you are interested and I'm cutting my own throat here, take this card and let them know I sent you and I'm sure they will do you a deal. That sort of not part of their agenda? " In what way is Farage saying Brexit has failed selling anything? | |||
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"When a goalie says the ball didn't cross the line I'm more cynical than if they said it did. Even if he's been proven to have lied on the past, I'd be more inclined to take his word when it goes against his agenda. So the you are picking and choosing when some 1 is to be believed. Good to know. No. I give more credibility to statement that would go against someones agenda than when it supports their agenda. Or at the very least, I'm more interested in it. I'm not here to sell you double glazing, I mean I do sell it but I can see you wouldn't really need it. However if you are interested in being 20% more efficient in energy savings I could recommend an air source heat pump, and you will get a 5k grant from the government if you install one. Far better return than the double glazing I sell, now if you are interested and I'm cutting my own throat here, take this card and let them know I sent you and I'm sure they will do you a deal. That sort of not part of their agenda? In what way is Farage saying Brexit has failed selling anything? " I suggest you take a swift reset…. It hardens those that want the promised Brexit change. 360 is your friend rather than google as you pointed out to me | |||
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"When a goalie says the ball didn't cross the line I'm more cynical than if they said it did. Even if he's been proven to have lied on the past, I'd be more inclined to take his word when it goes against his agenda. So the you are picking and choosing when some 1 is to be believed. Good to know. No. I give more credibility to statement that would go against someones agenda than when it supports their agenda. Or at the very least, I'm more interested in it. I'm not here to sell you double glazing, I mean I do sell it but I can see you wouldn't really need it. However if you are interested in being 20% more efficient in energy savings I could recommend an air source heat pump, and you will get a 5k grant from the government if you install one. Far better return than the double glazing I sell, now if you are interested and I'm cutting my own throat here, take this card and let them know I sent you and I'm sure they will do you a deal. That sort of not part of their agenda? In what way is Farage saying Brexit has failed selling anything? I suggest you take a swift reset…. It hardens those that want the promised Brexit change. 360 is your friend rather than google as you pointed out to me" Brexit is done. It’s not getting renegotiated. What we have is what we’ve got. | |||
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"When a goalie says the ball didn't cross the line I'm more cynical than if they said it did. Even if he's been proven to have lied on the past, I'd be more inclined to take his word when it goes against his agenda. So the you are picking and choosing when some 1 is to be believed. Good to know. No. I give more credibility to statement that would go against someones agenda than when it supports their agenda. Or at the very least, I'm more interested in it. I'm not here to sell you double glazing, I mean I do sell it but I can see you wouldn't really need it. However if you are interested in being 20% more efficient in energy savings I could recommend an air source heat pump, and you will get a 5k grant from the government if you install one. Far better return than the double glazing I sell, now if you are interested and I'm cutting my own throat here, take this card and let them know I sent you and I'm sure they will do you a deal. That sort of not part of their agenda? In what way is Farage saying Brexit has failed selling anything? I suggest you take a swift reset…. It hardens those that want the promised Brexit change. 360 is your friend rather than google as you pointed out to me Brexit is done. It’s not getting renegotiated. What we have is what we’ve got. " Brexit and sovereignty, still plenty Farage does not consider finished to his satisfaction and he wont feel it has achieved until the small boat crossings are eliminated. | |||
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"When a goalie says the ball didn't cross the line I'm more cynical than if they said it did. Even if he's been proven to have lied on the past, I'd be more inclined to take his word when it goes against his agenda. So the you are picking and choosing when some 1 is to be believed. Good to know. No. I give more credibility to statement that would go against someones agenda than when it supports their agenda. Or at the very least, I'm more interested in it. I'm not here to sell you double glazing, I mean I do sell it but I can see you wouldn't really need it. However if you are interested in being 20% more efficient in energy savings I could recommend an air source heat pump, and you will get a 5k grant from the government if you install one. Far better return than the double glazing I sell, now if you are interested and I'm cutting my own throat here, take this card and let them know I sent you and I'm sure they will do you a deal. That sort of not part of their agenda? In what way is Farage saying Brexit has failed selling anything? I suggest you take a swift reset…. It hardens those that want the promised Brexit change. 360 is your friend rather than google as you pointed out to me Brexit is done. It’s not getting renegotiated. What we have is what we’ve got. Brexit and sovereignty, still plenty Farage does not consider finished to his satisfaction and he wont feel it has achieved until the small boat crossings are eliminated. " I wonder if he realises that his Brexit caused the current problems. | |||
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"When a goalie says the ball didn't cross the line I'm more cynical than if they said it did. Even if he's been proven to have lied on the past, I'd be more inclined to take his word when it goes against his agenda. So the you are picking and choosing when some 1 is to be believed. Good to know. No. I give more credibility to statement that would go against someones agenda than when it supports their agenda. Or at the very least, I'm more interested in it. I'm not here to sell you double glazing, I mean I do sell it but I can see you wouldn't really need it. However if you are interested in being 20% more efficient in energy savings I could recommend an air source heat pump, and you will get a 5k grant from the government if you install one. Far better return than the double glazing I sell, now if you are interested and I'm cutting my own throat here, take this card and let them know I sent you and I'm sure they will do you a deal. That sort of not part of their agenda? In what way is Farage saying Brexit has failed selling anything? I suggest you take a swift reset…. It hardens those that want the promised Brexit change. 360 is your friend rather than google as you pointed out to me Brexit is done. It’s not getting renegotiated. What we have is what we’ve got. Brexit and sovereignty, still plenty Farage does not consider finished to his satisfaction and he wont feel it has achieved until the small boat crossings are eliminated. I wonder if he realises that his Brexit caused the current problems." I think Cummings had more influence over the outcome of brexit than Farage. Farage set the table, Cummings took over. | |||
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"When a goalie says the ball didn't cross the line I'm more cynical than if they said it did. Even if he's been proven to have lied on the past, I'd be more inclined to take his word when it goes against his agenda. So the you are picking and choosing when some 1 is to be believed. Good to know. No. I give more credibility to statement that would go against someones agenda than when it supports their agenda. Or at the very least, I'm more interested in it. I'm not here to sell you double glazing, I mean I do sell it but I can see you wouldn't really need it. However if you are interested in being 20% more efficient in energy savings I could recommend an air source heat pump, and you will get a 5k grant from the government if you install one. Far better return than the double glazing I sell, now if you are interested and I'm cutting my own throat here, take this card and let them know I sent you and I'm sure they will do you a deal. That sort of not part of their agenda? In what way is Farage saying Brexit has failed selling anything? I suggest you take a swift reset…. It hardens those that want the promised Brexit change. 360 is your friend rather than google as you pointed out to me Brexit is done. It’s not getting renegotiated. What we have is what we’ve got. Brexit and sovereignty, still plenty Farage does not consider finished to his satisfaction and he wont feel it has achieved until the small boat crossings are eliminated. " Why do you suggest that Farage cares about small boat crossings? | |||
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"When a goalie says the ball didn't cross the line I'm more cynical than if they said it did. Even if he's been proven to have lied on the past, I'd be more inclined to take his word when it goes against his agenda. So the you are picking and choosing when some 1 is to be believed. Good to know. No. I give more credibility to statement that would go against someones agenda than when it supports their agenda. Or at the very least, I'm more interested in it. I'm not here to sell you double glazing, I mean I do sell it but I can see you wouldn't really need it. However if you are interested in being 20% more efficient in energy savings I could recommend an air source heat pump, and you will get a 5k grant from the government if you install one. Far better return than the double glazing I sell, now if you are interested and I'm cutting my own throat here, take this card and let them know I sent you and I'm sure they will do you a deal. That sort of not part of their agenda? In what way is Farage saying Brexit has failed selling anything? I suggest you take a swift reset…. It hardens those that want the promised Brexit change. 360 is your friend rather than google as you pointed out to me Brexit is done. It’s not getting renegotiated. What we have is what we’ve got. Brexit and sovereignty, still plenty Farage does not consider finished to his satisfaction and he wont feel it has achieved until the small boat crossings are eliminated. Why do you suggest that Farage cares about small boat crossings? I’d argue that Farage needs small bit crossings. Just as Yaxley-Lennon needs Islamic extremism. Of course. It was a powerful tool for him during the run up to the referendum. But surely no one actually thinks he gives a fuck? Like I said, take a look into is antics post referendum Yeah he's still trying to use it as a tool. Is that what you mean? Yes "  | |||
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"No doubt now thought...farage will become a liar again. At the convenience of others. Farage is a liar. Regardless of what he reveals now, doesn’t change the fact that he has a history of lying. Aren’t you the one who claimed that people are either trustworthy 100% of the time or untrustworthy 100% of the time? " Nope I either choose to believe what they say or choose not to. Not unlike you to not comprehend. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. As he was given the committee 40 page dossier on himself It will be interesting to see how it unfolds. | |||
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"No doubt now thought...farage will become a liar again. At the convenience of others. Farage is a liar. Regardless of what he reveals now, doesn’t change the fact that he has a history of lying. Aren’t you the one who claimed that people are either trustworthy 100% of the time or untrustworthy 100% of the time? Nope I either choose to believe what they say or choose not to. Not unlike you to not comprehend. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. As he was given the committee 40 page dossier on himself It will be interesting to see how it unfolds." You literally questioned the day-to-day reliability of a goalkeeper who claimed a ball hadn’t crossed the line in a match, you silly Billy | |||
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"No doubt now thought...farage will become a liar again. At the convenience of others. Farage is a liar. Regardless of what he reveals now, doesn’t change the fact that he has a history of lying. Aren’t you the one who claimed that people are either trustworthy 100% of the time or untrustworthy 100% of the time? Nope I either choose to believe what they say or choose not to. Not unlike you to not comprehend. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. As he was given the committee 40 page dossier on himself It will be interesting to see how it unfolds." Not to mention your refusal to apologise even when you’re proven wrong. It seems fair to question your own reliability, Morley… | |||
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"No doubt now thought...farage will become a liar again. At the convenience of others. Farage is a liar. Regardless of what he reveals now, doesn’t change the fact that he has a history of lying. Aren’t you the one who claimed that people are either trustworthy 100% of the time or untrustworthy 100% of the time? Nope I either choose to believe what they say or choose not to. Not unlike you to not comprehend. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. As he was given the committee 40 page dossier on himself It will be interesting to see how it unfolds. Not to mention your refusal to apologise even when you’re proven wrong. It seems fair to question your own reliability, Morley…" Where was I proven wrong sorry? I'll admit when I am wrong. Even _irldn will attest to that. | |||
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"No doubt now thought...farage will become a liar again. At the convenience of others. Farage is a liar. Regardless of what he reveals now, doesn’t change the fact that he has a history of lying. Aren’t you the one who claimed that people are either trustworthy 100% of the time or untrustworthy 100% of the time? Nope I either choose to believe what they say or choose not to. Not unlike you to not comprehend. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. As he was given the committee 40 page dossier on himself It will be interesting to see how it unfolds. Not to mention your refusal to apologise even when you’re proven wrong. It seems fair to question your own reliability, Morley… Where was I proven wrong sorry? I'll admit when I am wrong. Even _irldn will attest to that." You have apologised but very rarely. Normally you either double down, refuse to answer questions, gaslight, or simply disappear. You also frequently call other people liars and claim they have said things they haven’t! | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations?" Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up." Not that I can find. From what I've just read, it does sound like they've said he did meet the criteria to retain his account. They mention Brexit, Russia & Trump on more than a few occasions, I'd like to see the document but not sure we'll ever get to. | |||
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"Has the queen and prince Andrews coutts accounts been closed they used to pay the £10million out of court settlement with taxpayers money from royal sovereign grant." And you're completely certain that the Queen used her Sovereign Grant to pay off Andrews accusers are you? No possibility that she might have used any of her other sources of income? | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations?" ************************************** Quite fascinating, actually. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up." like like it's quotes ATM. I can see more twists coming. I am loving that it seems he got this from gdpr. | |||
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"Just watch Dan Wooton tonight if you want balance and context. Just his monologue and what the farage and make your own mind off. Switch off social media, bbc, sly news it is all bullshit. As fake as Carol Vordermans boobs." does gb news also not fit into the bullshit bucket ? Why is it (and DW) special versus the BBC (and Hew?) | |||
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"Just watch Dan Wooton tonight if you want balance and context. Just his monologue and what the farage and make your own mind off. Switch off social media, bbc, sly news it is all bullshit. As fake as Carol Vordermans boobs.does gb news also not fit into the bullshit bucket ? Why is it (and DW) special versus the BBC (and Hew?) " It is up to you to filter out the bullshit and make your own mind up. | |||
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"Just watch Dan Wooton tonight if you want balance and context. Just his monologue and what the farage and make your own mind off. Switch off social media, bbc, sly news it is all bullshit. As fake as Carol Vordermans boobs.does gb news also not fit into the bullshit bucket ? Why is it (and DW) special versus the BBC (and Hew?) " This nastiness has come out since the TRIC awards and it is escalating fast. | |||
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"Coming for gbnews something big is going on. Come after nigel, Patrick, Dan and Calvin. To silence the truth against the establishment." Jacob Rees-Mogg, Esther McVey, Lee Anderson and Philip Davies all present GB News shows. They are the very definition of the establishment. | |||
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"Coming for gbnews something big is going on. Come after nigel, Patrick, Dan and Calvin. To silence the truth against the establishment. Jacob Rees-Mogg, Esther McVey, Lee Anderson and Philip Davies all present GB News shows. They are the very definition of the establishment." Of course they are but who is willing to play their cards. I do not trust Esther's her and her husband backs Hunt. Jacob is a wash with knowledge And Lee Anderson is ? | |||
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"Has the queen and prince Andrews coutts accounts been closed they used to pay the £10million out of court settlement with taxpayers money from royal sovereign grant. " ************************************** Where the devil did you read or otherwise glean this stupidly ignorant notion..??!! If you actually believe this sort of thing, well, I'm sorry. | |||
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"Just watch Dan Wooton tonight if you want balance and context. Just his monologue and what the farage and make your own mind off. Switch off social media, bbc, sly news it is all bullshit. As fake as Carol Vordermans boobs." Isn't Dan in a spot of bother himself? has he been a naughty boy? | |||
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"Just watch Dan Wooton tonight if you want balance and context. Just his monologue and what the farage and make your own mind off. Switch off social media, bbc, sly news it is all bullshit. As fake as Carol Vordermans boobs. Isn't Dan in a spot of bother himself? has he been a naughty boy?" Nope smear campaign from an ex all bullshit. | |||
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"Just watch Dan Wooton tonight if you want balance and context. Just his monologue and what the farage and make your own mind off. Switch off social media, bbc, sly news it is all bullshit. As fake as Carol Vordermans boobs. Isn't Dan in a spot of bother himself? has he been a naughty boy? Nope smear campaign from an ex all bullshit." All bullshit? At best, we don’t know the truth. Given that Dan has said he has made errors of judgement (and which of us hasn’t, tbf), I’d assume that there’s an element of poor behaviour, but as to anything illegal he’s innocent until proven otherwise. | |||
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"Just watch Dan Wooton tonight if you want balance and context. Just his monologue and what the farage and make your own mind off. Switch off social media, bbc, sly news it is all bullshit. As fake as Carol Vordermans boobs. Isn't Dan in a spot of bother himself? has he been a naughty boy? Nope smear campaign from an ex all bullshit. All bullshit? At best, we don’t know the truth. Given that Dan has said he has made errors of judgement (and which of us hasn’t, tbf), I’d assume that there’s an element of poor behaviour, but as to anything illegal he’s innocent until proven otherwise. " Who hasn't. Who are you judge and jury. | |||
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"Just watch Dan Wooton tonight if you want balance and context. Just his monologue and what the farage and make your own mind off. Switch off social media, bbc, sly news it is all bullshit. As fake as Carol Vordermans boobs. Isn't Dan in a spot of bother himself? has he been a naughty boy? Nope smear campaign from an ex all bullshit. All bullshit? At best, we don’t know the truth. Given that Dan has said he has made errors of judgement (and which of us hasn’t, tbf), I’d assume that there’s an element of poor behaviour, but as to anything illegal he’s innocent until proven otherwise. Who hasn't. Who are you judge and jury." Did you even read my post? | |||
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"Just watch Dan Wooton tonight if you want balance and context. Just his monologue and what the farage and make your own mind off. Switch off social media, bbc, sly news it is all bullshit. As fake as Carol Vordermans boobs. Isn't Dan in a spot of bother himself? has he been a naughty boy? Nope smear campaign from an ex all bullshit. All bullshit? At best, we don’t know the truth. Given that Dan has said he has made errors of judgement (and which of us hasn’t, tbf), I’d assume that there’s an element of poor behaviour, but as to anything illegal he’s innocent until proven otherwise. " I agree, we don't know the truth. Dan may have made errors of judgement or it could be a bitter ex. I hope Dan recovers from this. | |||
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"Just watch Dan Wooton tonight if you want balance and context. Just his monologue and what the farage and make your own mind off. Switch off social media, bbc, sly news it is all bullshit. As fake as Carol Vordermans boobs. Isn't Dan in a spot of bother himself? has he been a naughty boy? Nope smear campaign from an ex all bullshit. All bullshit? At best, we don’t know the truth. Given that Dan has said he has made errors of judgement (and which of us hasn’t, tbf), I’d assume that there’s an element of poor behaviour, but as to anything illegal he’s innocent until proven otherwise. I agree, we don't know the truth. Dan may have made errors of judgement or it could be a bitter ex. I hope Dan recovers from this." He is stronger and very much grounded. He has got this. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up." Full.document available daily mail. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail." *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail. *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document." The document upload is 40 or so pages. Some redactionsnkf personal stuff. Which is obvious. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail. *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document." The full document is definitely there | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail. *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document. The document upload is 40 or so pages. Some redactionsnkf personal stuff. Which is obvious. " Ah, the Mail piece I read had 7 of 40 pages online. For what it’s worth, I think Coutta reasons for closing his account are fine - within their remit to close based upon potential reputational damage. The only issue is that they may have lied about it (none of us have any idea how much he had in his account) If they lied, they owe him an apology. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail. *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document. The full document is definitely there " The piece I saw had 7 pages published - I’m not claiming the other 33 backed the bank over Farage. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail. *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document. The document upload is 40 or so pages. Some redactionsnkf personal stuff. Which is obvious. Ah, the Mail piece I read had 7 of 40 pages online. For what it’s worth, I think Coutta reasons for closing his account are fine - within their remit to close based upon potential reputational damage. The only issue is that they may have lied about it (none of us have any idea how much he had in his account) If they lied, they owe him an apology. " As stated. Based on document. Not within their remit. They have serious problem they will need to address to a select. Committee and the fca. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail. *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document. The document upload is 40 or so pages. Some redactionsnkf personal stuff. Which is obvious. Ah, the Mail piece I read had 7 of 40 pages online. For what it’s worth, I think Coutta reasons for closing his account are fine - within their remit to close based upon potential reputational damage. The only issue is that they may have lied about it (none of us have any idea how much he had in his account) If they lied, they owe him an apology. As stated. Based on document. Not within their remit. They have serious problem they will need to address to a select. Committee and the fca." I suspect Coutts know more about their remit than you, tbh. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail. *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document. The document upload is 40 or so pages. Some redactionsnkf personal stuff. Which is obvious. Ah, the Mail piece I read had 7 of 40 pages online. For what it’s worth, I think Coutta reasons for closing his account are fine - within their remit to close based upon potential reputational damage. The only issue is that they may have lied about it (none of us have any idea how much he had in his account) If they lied, they owe him an apology. As stated. Based on document. Not within their remit. They have serious problem they will need to address to a select. Committee and the fca. I suspect Coutts know more about their remit than you, tbh." I used I used work in financial crime and aml. I had 6 years of this as a career in bookmaking and banking before going into accounting. I did mention this last time.cthat they would face serious problems with their banking obligation under fca rules. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail. *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document. The full document is definitely there The piece I saw had 7 pages published - I’m not claiming the other 33 backed the bank over Farage. You should probably check before refuting a claim.... Go and have a read of it, not that it'll make you change your mind but it's actually quite scary that any institution can do this. Coutts aren't just any normal private business refusing custom, this is a guy who had been a customer for a very long time and had never had any negative dealings with the company, in fact, Coutts say the opposite. " How many layers of HR and legal do you think this stuff goes through in a large organisation? I work for a large company. It’s phenomenal how many people are involved in checking and double checking anything that may have legal ramifications. Coutts will be within their rights to terminate the account, I’m certain. The reasons given for doing so may be on shakier ground - but again, none of us know for certain. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail. *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document. The full document is definitely there The piece I saw had 7 pages published - I’m not claiming the other 33 backed the bank over Farage. You should probably check before refuting a claim.... Go and have a read of it, not that it'll make you change your mind but it's actually quite scary that any institution can do this. Coutts aren't just any normal private business refusing custom, this is a guy who had been a customer for a very long time and had never had any negative dealings with the company, in fact, Coutts say the opposite. How many layers of HR and legal do you think this stuff goes through in a large organisation? I work for a large company. It’s phenomenal how many people are involved in checking and double checking anything that may have legal ramifications. Coutts will be within their rights to terminate the account, I’m certain. The reasons given for doing so may be on shakier ground - but again, none of us know for certain. " This is the actual case law. What you are seeing above in braganza is an actual legal case. And solicitors don't disagree with me in fact what you quoted above is exactly what bragaza delta with. You do not need exceptional reasons to close bank accounts. Not according to the Financial Ombudsman Service, at least: "Businesses that provide bank accounts are generally entitled to close them – just as their customers are. But you should treat your customers fairly. You shouldn’t close an account because of unfair bias or unlawful discrimination. And you shouldn’t usually close an account without giving reasonable notice." The question is if this was due to unfair bias or unlawful discrimination. There is lawful discrimination, of course. If there is a court order, if there is suspicious activity or if you broke the terms of your agreement including false information on opening it." What Nigel of course is alluding to is discrimination as the reason he ca t open accounts elsewhere and why his account was being closed. As I stated I jave dealt with this in another thread. The FCA will be very interested here. As will the select committee. I look forward to seeing the fine imposed. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail. *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document. The full document is definitely there The piece I saw had 7 pages published - I’m not claiming the other 33 backed the bank over Farage. You should probably check before refuting a claim.... Go and have a read of it, not that it'll make you change your mind but it's actually quite scary that any institution can do this. Coutts aren't just any normal private business refusing custom, this is a guy who had been a customer for a very long time and had never had any negative dealings with the company, in fact, Coutts say the opposite. How many layers of HR and legal do you think this stuff goes through in a large organisation? I work for a large company. It’s phenomenal how many people are involved in checking and double checking anything that may have legal ramifications. Coutts will be within their rights to terminate the account, I’m certain. The reasons given for doing so may be on shakier ground - but again, none of us know for certain. " I haven't said they've done anything illegal. I've said it's scary that this can happen to a long standing customer just because it was decided that they don't like his views. Views that haven't drastically changed recently, why was it fine for so many years and then suddenly not. That could literally happen to anyone of us. Then the cover up... that definitely needs answers. This is Coutts, not some backstreet banker. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail. *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document. The full document is definitely there The piece I saw had 7 pages published - I’m not claiming the other 33 backed the bank over Farage. You should probably check before refuting a claim.... Go and have a read of it, not that it'll make you change your mind but it's actually quite scary that any institution can do this. Coutts aren't just any normal private business refusing custom, this is a guy who had been a customer for a very long time and had never had any negative dealings with the company, in fact, Coutts say the opposite. How many layers of HR and legal do you think this stuff goes through in a large organisation? I work for a large company. It’s phenomenal how many people are involved in checking and double checking anything that may have legal ramifications. Coutts will be within their rights to terminate the account, I’m certain. The reasons given for doing so may be on shakier ground - but again, none of us know for certain. This is the actual case law. What you are seeing above in braganza is an actual legal case. And solicitors don't disagree with me in fact what you quoted above is exactly what bragaza delta with. You do not need exceptional reasons to close bank accounts. Not according to the Financial Ombudsman Service, at least: "Businesses that provide bank accounts are generally entitled to close them – just as their customers are. But you should treat your customers fairly. You shouldn’t close an account because of unfair bias or unlawful discrimination. And you shouldn’t usually close an account without giving reasonable notice." The question is if this was due to unfair bias or unlawful discrimination. There is lawful discrimination, of course. If there is a court order, if there is suspicious activity or if you broke the terms of your agreement including false information on opening it." What Nigel of course is alluding to is discrimination as the reason he ca t open accounts elsewhere and why his account was being closed. As I stated I jave dealt with this in another thread. The FCA will be very interested here. As will the select committee. I look forward to seeing the fine imposed." And if you’re wrong? | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail. *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document. The full document is definitely there The piece I saw had 7 pages published - I’m not claiming the other 33 backed the bank over Farage. You should probably check before refuting a claim.... Go and have a read of it, not that it'll make you change your mind but it's actually quite scary that any institution can do this. Coutts aren't just any normal private business refusing custom, this is a guy who had been a customer for a very long time and had never had any negative dealings with the company, in fact, Coutts say the opposite. How many layers of HR and legal do you think this stuff goes through in a large organisation? I work for a large company. It’s phenomenal how many people are involved in checking and double checking anything that may have legal ramifications. Coutts will be within their rights to terminate the account, I’m certain. The reasons given for doing so may be on shakier ground - but again, none of us know for certain. This is the actual case law. What you are seeing above in braganza is an actual legal case. And solicitors don't disagree with me in fact what you quoted above is exactly what bragaza delta with. You do not need exceptional reasons to close bank accounts. Not according to the Financial Ombudsman Service, at least: "Businesses that provide bank accounts are generally entitled to close them – just as their customers are. But you should treat your customers fairly. You shouldn’t close an account because of unfair bias or unlawful discrimination. And you shouldn’t usually close an account without giving reasonable notice." The question is if this was due to unfair bias or unlawful discrimination. There is lawful discrimination, of course. If there is a court order, if there is suspicious activity or if you broke the terms of your agreement including false information on opening it." What Nigel of course is alluding to is discrimination as the reason he ca t open accounts elsewhere and why his account was being closed. As I stated I jave dealt with this in another thread. The FCA will be very interested here. As will the select committee. I look forward to seeing the fine imposed. And if you’re wrong? " Big if | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail. *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document. The full document is definitely there The piece I saw had 7 pages published - I’m not claiming the other 33 backed the bank over Farage. You should probably check before refuting a claim.... Go and have a read of it, not that it'll make you change your mind but it's actually quite scary that any institution can do this. Coutts aren't just any normal private business refusing custom, this is a guy who had been a customer for a very long time and had never had any negative dealings with the company, in fact, Coutts say the opposite. How many layers of HR and legal do you think this stuff goes through in a large organisation? I work for a large company. It’s phenomenal how many people are involved in checking and double checking anything that may have legal ramifications. Coutts will be within their rights to terminate the account, I’m certain. The reasons given for doing so may be on shakier ground - but again, none of us know for certain. This is the actual case law. What you are seeing above in braganza is an actual legal case. And solicitors don't disagree with me in fact what you quoted above is exactly what bragaza delta with. You do not need exceptional reasons to close bank accounts. Not according to the Financial Ombudsman Service, at least: "Businesses that provide bank accounts are generally entitled to close them – just as their customers are. But you should treat your customers fairly. You shouldn’t close an account because of unfair bias or unlawful discrimination. And you shouldn’t usually close an account without giving reasonable notice." The question is if this was due to unfair bias or unlawful discrimination. There is lawful discrimination, of course. If there is a court order, if there is suspicious activity or if you broke the terms of your agreement including false information on opening it." What Nigel of course is alluding to is discrimination as the reason he ca t open accounts elsewhere and why his account was being closed. As I stated I jave dealt with this in another thread. The FCA will be very interested here. As will the select committee. I look forward to seeing the fine imposed. And if you’re wrong? Big if" Question stands though. | |||
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"How are we all finding these coutts revelations? Has he published the document? Or will we have people claiming that he's making it all up. Full.document available daily mail. *some of the document is on the daily Mail. Don’t know if that affects anything, none of us do - but it’s not the full document. The full document is definitely there The piece I saw had 7 pages published - I’m not claiming the other 33 backed the bank over Farage. You should probably check before refuting a claim.... Go and have a read of it, not that it'll make you change your mind but it's actually quite scary that any institution can do this. Coutts aren't just any normal private business refusing custom, this is a guy who had been a customer for a very long time and had never had any negative dealings with the company, in fact, Coutts say the opposite. How many layers of HR and legal do you think this stuff goes through in a large organisation? I work for a large company. It’s phenomenal how many people are involved in checking and double checking anything that may have legal ramifications. Coutts will be within their rights to terminate the account, I’m certain. The reasons given for doing so may be on shakier ground - but again, none of us know for certain. This is the actual case law. What you are seeing above in braganza is an actual legal case. And solicitors don't disagree with me in fact what you quoted above is exactly what bragaza delta with. You do not need exceptional reasons to close bank accounts. Not according to the Financial Ombudsman Service, at least: "Businesses that provide bank accounts are generally entitled to close them – just as their customers are. But you should treat your customers fairly. You shouldn’t close an account because of unfair bias or unlawful discrimination. And you shouldn’t usually close an account without giving reasonable notice." The question is if this was due to unfair bias or unlawful discrimination. There is lawful discrimination, of course. If there is a court order, if there is suspicious activity or if you broke the terms of your agreement including false information on opening it." What Nigel of course is alluding to is discrimination as the reason he ca t open accounts elsewhere and why his account was being closed. As I stated I jave dealt with this in another thread. The FCA will be very interested here. As will the select committee. I look forward to seeing the fine imposed. And if you’re wrong? Big if Question stands though. " If I am wrong I'll admit I am wrong. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. " Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach " I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. " Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review? | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?" what didn't occur ? I'm not following. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. " I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer." As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know." I feel we will know. This will go all the way. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer." ah right. I'd guess a combo of Russia going to war and corporates becoming more socially aware (even if it's for profit) Plus rewind ten years and farage was a lot lower PR risk. Even if his views were the same. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way." I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way. I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain." I'm confident they didn't take into account they would receive a SAR. Hence 'wasn't commercially viable'. We will find out soon enough. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way. I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain." Your confidence in corporate business has grown exponentially it seems… Driven clearly by promoting your political views. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer.ah right. I'd guess a combo of Russia going to war and corporates becoming more socially aware (even if it's for profit) Plus rewind ten years and farage was a lot lower PR risk. Even if his views were the same. " Not sure what Russia has to do with it. Why is farage a PR risk? He has tk bank with some one. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way. I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain. Your confidence in corporate business has grown exponentially it seems… Driven clearly by promoting your political views." Schrodingers ideology. You're turstoworthy as long as you ignore to my needs. But your also.not trustworthy when you disagree with me. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer.ah right. I'd guess a combo of Russia going to war and corporates becoming more socially aware (even if it's for profit) Plus rewind ten years and farage was a lot lower PR risk. Even if his views were the same. Not sure what Russia has to do with it. Why is farage a PR risk? He has tk bank with some one. being associated with russia now is worse than a few years ago. Tbh I dont make the leap from farage becomes tainted beyond belief and that being a risk for coutts. It's not as tho he's a brand ambassador. However I can see why he is a bigger risk than a few years ago, which is why I'm answering why it could be a bigger issue now than a few years ago. And he can bank somewhere. He may not be able to bank where he wants. Or get a business account. But I believe that the larger banks have to offer some service to anyone. " I would have thought he became less They even allude to his PEP status bo longer being high risk. Much of their assessment used articles pre covid. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way. I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain. Your confidence in corporate business has grown exponentially it seems… Driven clearly by promoting your political views." No, just my experience of how large companies deal with legal stuff. How many layers of legal and HR do you reckon a decision like this goes through? | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way. I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain. Your confidence in corporate business has grown exponentially it seems… Driven clearly by promoting your political views. Schrodingers ideology You're turstoworthy as long as you agree my needs. But your also.not trustworthy when you disagree with me. " You’re the one who claimed that someone is either trustworthy or not 100% of the time, Morley. Which presumably means you think Farage is trustworthy now, as you’re defending him. | |||
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"Why is farage a PR risk? He has to bank with some one. Look at all the negative press that got generated recently when Wimbledon got sponsored by Barclays. Protest groups have started to disrupt the activities of companies if they don't like the customers of that company. I'm not at all surprised that Coutts has a 'reputational risk' panel to work out which customers might get it into trouble in the future." But you can't debunk some one. Some 1 has to let them bank. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way. I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain. Your confidence in corporate business has grown exponentially it seems… Driven clearly by promoting your political views. Schrodingers ideology You're turstoworthy as long as you agree my needs. But your also.not trustworthy when you disagree with me. You’re the one who claimed that someone is either trustworthy or not 100% of the time, Morley. Which presumably means you think Farage is trustworthy now, as you’re defending him." I am the one that said. If I trust some one I use then as sources, If I dont trust some one , i don't use them as sources. I dont flip between when I use them as reliable sources of information when it suits me . | |||
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"Why is farage a PR risk? He has to bank with some one. Look at all the negative press that got generated recently when Wimbledon got sponsored by Barclays. Protest groups have started to disrupt the activities of companies if they don't like the customers of that company. I'm not at all surprised that Coutts has a 'reputational risk' panel to work out which customers might get it into trouble in the future. But you can't de-bank some one. Some 1 has to let them bank. But they didn't de-bank him, they offered him an account at a different subsidiary. Having said that, they will be in a lot of trouble if Farage decides to push this through the regulator, since they have obviously decided to get rid of him for non-valid reasons." There is the notion that they only offered the other account after he went public. And that doesn't explain the 10 other he said refused him. Personally, I think Coutts are in trouble here, that SAR document really does not look good on them. | |||
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"Why is farage a PR risk? He has to bank with some one. Look at all the negative press that got generated recently when Wimbledon got sponsored by Barclays. Protest groups have started to disrupt the activities of companies if they don't like the customers of that company. I'm not at all surprised that Coutts has a 'reputational risk' panel to work out which customers might get it into trouble in the future. But you can't de-bank some one. Some 1 has to let them bank. But they didn't de-bank him, they offered him an account at a different subsidiary. Having said that, they will be in a lot of trouble if Farage decides to push this through the regulator, since they have obviously decided to get rid of him for non-valid reasons." They allowed him to bank at the same aprent company. Thisnis debunking. How can you jve a reputational risk to the subsidiary. But not the parent? | |||
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"Why is farage a PR risk? He has to bank with some one. Look at all the negative press that got generated recently when Wimbledon got sponsored by Barclays. Protest groups have started to disrupt the activities of companies if they don't like the customers of that company. I'm not at all surprised that Coutts has a 'reputational risk' panel to work out which customers might get it into trouble in the future. But you can't de-bank some one. Some 1 has to let them bank. But they didn't de-bank him, they offered him an account at a different subsidiary. Having said that, they will be in a lot of trouble if Farage decides to push this through the regulator, since they have obviously decided to get rid of him for non-valid reasons. There is the notion that they only offered the other account after he went public. And that doesn't explain the 10 other he said refused him. Personally, I think Coutts are in trouble here, that SAR document really does not look good on them. " I think we are yet to see proof of the other refusals? I saw him waffle on about it. But not seen the evidence yet. Maybe I missed it? Unlike some I chose not to believe anything nigel says until he proves it. No flip flopping here. | |||
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"Why is farage a PR risk? He has to bank with some one. Look at all the negative press that got generated recently when Wimbledon got sponsored by Barclays. Protest groups have started to disrupt the activities of companies if they don't like the customers of that company. I'm not at all surprised that Coutts has a 'reputational risk' panel to work out which customers might get it into trouble in the future. But you can't de-bank some one. Some 1 has to let them bank. But they didn't de-bank him, they offered him an account at a different subsidiary. Having said that, they will be in a lot of trouble if Farage decides to push this through the regulator, since they have obviously decided to get rid of him for non-valid reasons. There is the notion that they only offered the other account after he went public. And that doesn't explain the 10 other he said refused him. Personally, I think Coutts are in trouble here, that SAR document really does not look good on them. I think we are yet to see proof of the other refusals? I saw him waffle on about it. But not seen the evidence yet. Maybe I missed it? Unlike some I chose not to believe anything nigel says until he proves it. No flip flopping here." That's true. I haven't seen the evidence, just NF saying he has been refused elsewhere. I assume he has evidence but that's just an assumption. | |||
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"But the reputational risk doesn't change if he then banks with another rbs subsidiary.( as they said he was OK to do) so this won't fly in court." For the celebrities and independently wealthy that aspire to a Coutts account, I think that the names Coutts and RBS are sufficiently far apart that the reputation won't transfer. | |||
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"But the reputational risk doesn't change if he then banks with another rbs subsidiary.( as they said he was OK to do) so this won't fly in court. For the celebrities and independently wealthy that aspire to a Coutts account, I think that the names Coutts and RBS are sufficiently far apart that the reputation won't transfer." They could try and argue that. It won't fly in court though. Because he banked there for 25 years was it? and the articles cited date much further back in time. Nothing changed with regard tk the risk. Infact from a banking perspective they became less exposed by him no longer being a high level Pep. I dont envy them trying to use that defense in court. As I mentioned I think further up this thread. It's difficult to remove some one from the entirety of the banking system. My former employer HAD to offer a child abductor a bank account. | |||
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"Can we please come to an agreement on this forum. Trust his words or don't trust his words. I dont trust his words personally and have never quoted him. Others then to dismiss what he says on some subjects as a sbake oil salesman and liar, but then quote him on occasions when it suits them. Can we please have some continuity on this? I think when the most prominent brexiter of them all says ‘Brexit has failed’ it’s worthy of note. I think when he says ‘French mechanics tried to assassinate me’ it should be taken with a pinch of salt. " If using Nigels words use the whole sentence. Brexit failed because of the Remainers and we didnt get a full brexit. . England even sold Northern Ireland to the EU in hope of a good deal and the EU still shafted them. Now it costs us in NI more fore our goods than in the rest of the UK. Due to customs costs. | |||
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"Can we please come to an agreement on this forum. Trust his words or don't trust his words. I dont trust his words personally and have never quoted him. Others then to dismiss what he says on some subjects as a sbake oil salesman and liar, but then quote him on occasions when it suits them. Can we please have some continuity on this? I think when the most prominent brexiter of them all says ‘Brexit has failed’ it’s worthy of note. I think when he says ‘French mechanics tried to assassinate me’ it should be taken with a pinch of salt. If using Nigels words use the whole sentence. Brexit failed because of the Remainers and we didnt get a full brexit. " How did Brexit fail because of the remainers? The only harder Brexit possible would have been no-deal. | |||
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"Nothing changed with regard tk the risk. Infact from a banking perspective they became less exposed by him no longer being a high level Pep." Nothing changed for the worse by an action of Farage, but in recent years protestors have become more likely to use violence and property destruction to gain publicity. I'd say that the risk of reputational damage to banks has become much greater, even though their business activities and their customers haven't changed. Not that I'm defending Coutts. Their actions were wrong, no matter how much the risk has increased. It seems that they have become the latest company to learn the phrase "Streisand Effect". | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way. I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain. Your confidence in corporate business has grown exponentially it seems… Driven clearly by promoting your political views. No, just my experience of how large companies deal with legal stuff. How many layers of legal and HR do you reckon a decision like this goes through? " Not many, maybe 1 legal for advice ref the direction it was being taken to communicate that position in the meeting when it is that high up the chain. In this case no HR involvement. | |||
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"Nothing changed with regard tk the risk. Infact from a banking perspective they became less exposed by him no longer being a high level Pep. Nothing changed for the worse by an action of Farage, but in recent years protestors have become more likely to use violence and property destruction to gain publicity. I'd say that the risk of reputational damage to banks has become much greater, even though their business activities and their customers haven't changed. Not that I'm defending Coutts. Their actions were wrong, no matter how much the risk has increased. It seems that they have become the latest company to learn the phrase "Streisand Effect"." irrc coutts had considered the likelihood he'd go public. This too shall pass. How many ppl who can bank with coutts will not because of this ? | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way. I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain. Your confidence in corporate business has grown exponentially it seems… Driven clearly by promoting your political views. No, just my experience of how large companies deal with legal stuff. How many layers of legal and HR do you reckon a decision like this goes through? Not many, maybe 1 legal for advice ref the direction it was being taken to communicate that position in the meeting when it is that high up the chain. In this case no HR involvement. " I reckon you’re wrong, given the hoops any decent sized company has to jump through with any potential legal matter. I’ve been dealing with the company solicitors in the past 12 months and it’s mindblowing just how much of a fine tooth comb they go through everything with. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way. I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain. Your confidence in corporate business has grown exponentially it seems… Driven clearly by promoting your political views. No, just my experience of how large companies deal with legal stuff. How many layers of legal and HR do you reckon a decision like this goes through? Not many, maybe 1 legal for advice ref the direction it was being taken to communicate that position in the meeting when it is that high up the chain. In this case no HR involvement. I reckon you’re wrong, given the hoops any decent sized company has to jump through with any potential legal matter. I’ve been dealing with the company solicitors in the past 12 months and it’s mindblowing just how much of a fine tooth comb they go through everything with. " Typically on things like this you wouldnt consult your legal team. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way. I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain. Your confidence in corporate business has grown exponentially it seems… Driven clearly by promoting your political views. No, just my experience of how large companies deal with legal stuff. How many layers of legal and HR do you reckon a decision like this goes through? Not many, maybe 1 legal for advice ref the direction it was being taken to communicate that position in the meeting when it is that high up the chain. In this case no HR involvement. I reckon you’re wrong, given the hoops any decent sized company has to jump through with any potential legal matter. I’ve been dealing with the company solicitors in the past 12 months and it’s mindblowing just how much of a fine tooth comb they go through everything with. Typically on things like this you wouldnt consult your legal team. " I'd have imagined some kind of legal representation on a risk committee... That's just what I've seen on the past tho. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way. I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain. Your confidence in corporate business has grown exponentially it seems… Driven clearly by promoting your political views. No, just my experience of how large companies deal with legal stuff. How many layers of legal and HR do you reckon a decision like this goes through? Not many, maybe 1 legal for advice ref the direction it was being taken to communicate that position in the meeting when it is that high up the chain. In this case no HR involvement. I reckon you’re wrong, given the hoops any decent sized company has to jump through with any potential legal matter. I’ve been dealing with the company solicitors in the past 12 months and it’s mindblowing just how much of a fine tooth comb they go through everything with. Typically on things like this you wouldnt consult your legal team. " Oh they absolutely would. I guarantee it. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way. I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain. Your confidence in corporate business has grown exponentially it seems… Driven clearly by promoting your political views. No, just my experience of how large companies deal with legal stuff. How many layers of legal and HR do you reckon a decision like this goes through? Not many, maybe 1 legal for advice ref the direction it was being taken to communicate that position in the meeting when it is that high up the chain. In this case no HR involvement. I reckon you’re wrong, given the hoops any decent sized company has to jump through with any potential legal matter. I’ve been dealing with the company solicitors in the past 12 months and it’s mindblowing just how much of a fine tooth comb they go through everything with. Typically on things like this you wouldnt consult your legal team. Oh they absolutely would. I guarantee it." The only thing you can 'guarantee' is what happens within your own company, if you know that. | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way. I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain. Your confidence in corporate business has grown exponentially it seems… Driven clearly by promoting your political views. No, just my experience of how large companies deal with legal stuff. How many layers of legal and HR do you reckon a decision like this goes through? Not many, maybe 1 legal for advice ref the direction it was being taken to communicate that position in the meeting when it is that high up the chain. In this case no HR involvement. I reckon you’re wrong, given the hoops any decent sized company has to jump through with any potential legal matter. I’ve been dealing with the company solicitors in the past 12 months and it’s mindblowing just how much of a fine tooth comb they go through everything with. Typically on things like this you wouldnt consult your legal team. Oh they absolutely would. I guarantee it. The only thing you can 'guarantee' is what happens within your own company, if you know that. " You’re quite right. I’m 99.9% certain they’d have had legal reps look at it | |||
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"As I've said before, I bet the truth is in the middle. My guess on this is As at Nov 2022 he was commercially viable (but under mins) As at July 23 when his mortgage ceased, he was "unviable". Courts wanted rid because of the PR risk etc. And were planning commercial reasons to be the final straw. Im not sure where tbe PR risk came from suddenly. I'm not sure of the length of his mortgage. I think what you've typed is a big reach I don't think it came suddenly. I suspect it's been there and revieed frequently. Based on Nov docu taking about annual reviews. Mortgage expires July 2023. Again, Nov docu. Did they give him a 25 year mortgage? That would be very unusual.i don't know why this did t occurr in an earlier review?what didn't occur ? I'm not following. I think he's asking the same as I am. If Nigel Farage's views don't align with theirs, why now? His views haven't changed in the 30 years he's been a customer. As I suggested, maybe somebody new, someone sterner has made the decision. We’ll never know. I feel we will know. This will go all the way. I’m confident that Coutts wouldn’t have made this decision if they weren’t on very solid ground. Having recent seen the legal hoops we’ve had to jump through in one disciplinary case - they’ll be sure of their position I’m certain. Your confidence in corporate business has grown exponentially it seems… Driven clearly by promoting your political views. No, just my experience of how large companies deal with legal stuff. How many layers of legal and HR do you reckon a decision like this goes through? Not many, maybe 1 legal for advice ref the direction it was being taken to communicate that position in the meeting when it is that high up the chain. In this case no HR involvement. I reckon you’re wrong, given the hoops any decent sized company has to jump through with any potential legal matter. I’ve been dealing with the company solicitors in the past 12 months and it’s mindblowing just how much of a fine tooth comb they go through everything with. Typically on things like this you wouldnt consult your legal team. I'd have imagined some kind of legal representation on a risk committee... That's just what I've seen on the past tho. " I've sat made reports for such committees on jockeys, judges, footballers and seen the attendees You wouldn't usually have a legal team or person from legal. It would be considered day to day business. Typically shutting down accounts is accountamanger/exect account managers and fraud prevention manager etc. I think in their hubris, they weren't expecting nigel to call their bluff. It's backfired. | |||
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"Coutts have issued an apology to Mr Farage for the 'deeply inappropriate comments'." That’s only right, it was inappropriate for it to be revealed that he had insufficient funds in his account if that wasn’t the reason for the account closure. | |||
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"Coutts have issued an apology to Mr Farage for the 'deeply inappropriate comments'. That’s only right, it was inappropriate for it to be revealed that he had insufficient funds in his account if that wasn’t the reason for the account closure. " Pretty sure that's not what she's apologising for | |||
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"Coutts have issued an apology to Mr Farage for the 'deeply inappropriate comments'. That’s only right, it was inappropriate for it to be revealed that he had insufficient funds in his account if that wasn’t the reason for the account closure. " Dame Alison said in the letter to Mr Farage, that she believes "very strongly that freedom of expression and access to banking are fundamental to our society and it is absolutely not our policy to exit a customer on the basis of legally held political and personal views". Well she does now, publicly at least. | |||
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"Nothing changed with regard tk the risk. Infact from a banking perspective they became less exposed by him no longer being a high level Pep. Nothing changed for the worse by an action of Farage, but in recent years protestors have become more likely to use violence and property destruction to gain publicity. I'd say that the risk of reputational damage to banks has become much greater, even though their business activities and their customers haven't changed. Not that I'm defending Coutts. Their actions were wrong, no matter how much the risk has increased. It seems that they have become the latest company to learn the phrase "Streisand Effect"." Natwest and liey other subsids, now have possiby up yo 10,000 subject access requests they are dealing with, due to people realising they can now do the same after having counts closed. This has been a disaster for coutts. Btw Jon sopel former bbc employee is absolute scum. And owes nigel and apology. I | |||
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"Nothing changed with regard tk the risk. Infact from a banking perspective they became less exposed by him no longer being a high level Pep. Nothing changed for the worse by an action of Farage, but in recent years protestors have become more likely to use violence and property destruction to gain publicity. I'd say that the risk of reputational damage to banks has become much greater, even though their business activities and their customers haven't changed. Not that I'm defending Coutts. Their actions were wrong, no matter how much the risk has increased. It seems that they have become the latest company to learn the phrase "Streisand Effect". Natwest and liey other subsids, now have possiby up yo 10,000 subject access requests they are dealing with, due to people realising they can now do the same after having counts closed. This has been a disaster for coutts. Btw Jon sopel former bbc employee is absolute scum. And owes nigel and apology. I" Mr Sopel said today: "Dear Nigel, always believed when I get things wrong, I own up to it. I got it wrong. Sorry. That will teach me to trust reporting of my old employer. "If your political views were even part of the reason why account was suspended from Coutts that is totally reprehensible. Jon." | |||
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"Nothing changed with regard tk the risk. Infact from a banking perspective they became less exposed by him no longer being a high level Pep. Nothing changed for the worse by an action of Farage, but in recent years protestors have become more likely to use violence and property destruction to gain publicity. I'd say that the risk of reputational damage to banks has become much greater, even though their business activities and their customers haven't changed. Not that I'm defending Coutts. Their actions were wrong, no matter how much the risk has increased. It seems that they have become the latest company to learn the phrase "Streisand Effect". Natwest and liey other subsids, now have possiby up yo 10,000 subject access requests they are dealing with, due to people realising they can now do the same after having counts closed. This has been a disaster for coutts. Btw Jon sopel former bbc employee is absolute scum. And owes nigel and apology. I Mr Sopel said today: "Dear Nigel, always believed when I get things wrong, I own up to it. I got it wrong. Sorry. That will teach me to trust reporting of my old employer. "If your political views were even part of the reason why account was suspended from Coutts that is totally reprehensible. Jon." " I thought the BBC had a brand new fact checking department to spot fake news in all it's forms wherever it may hide. | |||
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"Nothing changed with regard tk the risk. Infact from a banking perspective they became less exposed by him no longer being a high level Pep. Nothing changed for the worse by an action of Farage, but in recent years protestors have become more likely to use violence and property destruction to gain publicity. I'd say that the risk of reputational damage to banks has become much greater, even though their business activities and their customers haven't changed. Not that I'm defending Coutts. Their actions were wrong, no matter how much the risk has increased. It seems that they have become the latest company to learn the phrase "Streisand Effect". Natwest and liey other subsids, now have possiby up yo 10,000 subject access requests they are dealing with, due to people realising they can now do the same after having counts closed. This has been a disaster for coutts. Btw Jon sopel former bbc employee is absolute scum. And owes nigel and apology. I Mr Sopel said today: "Dear Nigel, always believed when I get things wrong, I own up to it. I got it wrong. Sorry. That will teach me to trust reporting of my old employer. "If your political views were even part of the reason why account was suspended from Coutts that is totally reprehensible. Jon." " He is still an arse, made it personal | |||
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"Nothing changed with regard tk the risk. Infact from a banking perspective they became less exposed by him no longer being a high level Pep. Nothing changed for the worse by an action of Farage, but in recent years protestors have become more likely to use violence and property destruction to gain publicity. I'd say that the risk of reputational damage to banks has become much greater, even though their business activities and their customers haven't changed. Not that I'm defending Coutts. Their actions were wrong, no matter how much the risk has increased. It seems that they have become the latest company to learn the phrase "Streisand Effect". Natwest and liey other subsids, now have possiby up yo 10,000 subject access requests they are dealing with, due to people realising they can now do the same after having counts closed. This has been a disaster for coutts. Btw Jon sopel former bbc employee is absolute scum. And owes nigel and apology. I Mr Sopel said today: "Dear Nigel, always believed when I get things wrong, I own up to it. I got it wrong. Sorry. That will teach me to trust reporting of my old employer. "If your political views were even part of the reason why account was suspended from Coutts that is totally reprehensible. Jon." I thought the BBC had a brand new fact checking department to spot fake news in all it's forms wherever it may hide." Mariana spring? Bbc verify. Yes they have been consistently asked to look into it. But , quelle surprise they have no Inclination. | |||
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"Nothing changed with regard tk the risk. Infact from a banking perspective they became less exposed by him no longer being a high level Pep. Nothing changed for the worse by an action of Farage, but in recent years protestors have become more likely to use violence and property destruction to gain publicity. I'd say that the risk of reputational damage to banks has become much greater, even though their business activities and their customers haven't changed. Not that I'm defending Coutts. Their actions were wrong, no matter how much the risk has increased. It seems that they have become the latest company to learn the phrase "Streisand Effect". Natwest and liey other subsids, now have possiby up yo 10,000 subject access requests they are dealing with, due to people realising they can now do the same after having counts closed. This has been a disaster for coutts. Btw Jon sopel former bbc employee is absolute scum. And owes nigel and apology. I Mr Sopel said today: "Dear Nigel, always believed when I get things wrong, I own up to it. I got it wrong. Sorry. That will teach me to trust reporting of my old employer. "If your political views were even part of the reason why account was suspended from Coutts that is totally reprehensible. Jon." He is still an arse, made it personal " 100% and he's come out looking like an absolute dip shit. | |||
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"Nothing changed with regard tk the risk. Infact from a banking perspective they became less exposed by him no longer being a high level Pep. Nothing changed for the worse by an action of Farage, but in recent years protestors have become more likely to use violence and property destruction to gain publicity. I'd say that the risk of reputational damage to banks has become much greater, even though their business activities and their customers haven't changed. Not that I'm defending Coutts. Their actions were wrong, no matter how much the risk has increased. It seems that they have become the latest company to learn the phrase "Streisand Effect". Natwest and liey other subsids, now have possiby up yo 10,000 subject access requests they are dealing with, due to people realising they can now do the same after having counts closed. This has been a disaster for coutts. Btw Jon sopel former bbc employee is absolute scum. And owes nigel and apology. I Mr Sopel said today: "Dear Nigel, always believed when I get things wrong, I own up to it. I got it wrong. Sorry. That will teach me to trust reporting of my old employer. "If your political views were even part of the reason why account was suspended from Coutts that is totally reprehensible. Jon." He is still an arse, made it personal " Oh I agree he's an arse. Was just showing at least he's big enough to apologise. Not until the truth is out there though
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"[Removed by poster at 20/07/23 18:46:18] Think he left the bbc. But just goes to show the organisations colours for me." You are right and I deleted when I realised. He is a cock. BBC news reporting as a side note, seems to now have been dumbed down so far they write like a 15 year olds English essay. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 20/07/23 18:46:18] Think he left the bbc. But just goes to show the organisations colours for me. You are right and I deleted when I realised. He is a cock. BBC news reporting as a side note, seems to now have been dumbed down so far they write like a 15 year olds English essay. " I don’t think that’s a BBC thing, it’s a society thing. I’ve been watching the Twilight zone, one thing that stands out from it is the vocabulary and the fact that they don’t treat the audience like idiots. Compared to modern TV it’s a breath of fresh air. Anyhoo. Off-topic there | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 20/07/23 18:46:18] Think he left the bbc. But just goes to show the organisations colours for me. You are right and I deleted when I realised. He is a cock. BBC news reporting as a side note, seems to now have been dumbed down so far they write like a 15 year olds English essay. I don’t think that’s a BBC thing, it’s a society thing. I’ve been watching the Twilight zone, one thing that stands out from it is the vocabulary and the fact that they don’t treat the audience like idiots. Compared to modern TV it’s a breath of fresh air. Anyhoo. Off-topic there "Whatever it is, it needs to stop and don’t get me started on this trend of this report was brought to you by Bev and dave who are welcoming you back to things as they happen… Going back to Farage, he needs his account reinstated and when he logs back in a nice little sorry for your troubles sir, deposit. | |||
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"Probably really should advertise consulted the legal team "Facebook group of close to 10,000 former customers who say their NatWest accounts were closed down are sharing templates and instructions on how to lodge Subject Access Requests with the bank demanding any dossiers on them. As I wrote this morning, Nat West/Coutts now entering a world of pain."" Good! | |||
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"Nothing changed with regard tk the risk. Infact from a banking perspective they became less exposed by him no longer being a high level Pep. Nothing changed for the worse by an action of Farage, but in recent years protestors have become more likely to use violence and property destruction to gain publicity. I'd say that the risk of reputational damage to banks has become much greater, even though their business activities and their customers haven't changed. Not that I'm defending Coutts. Their actions were wrong, no matter how much the risk has increased. It seems that they have become the latest company to learn the phrase "Streisand Effect". Natwest and liey other subsids, now have possiby up yo 10,000 subject access requests they are dealing with, due to people realising they can now do the same after having counts closed. This has been a disaster for coutts. Btw Jon sopel former bbc employee is absolute scum. And owes nigel and apology. I Mr Sopel said today: "Dear Nigel, always believed when I get things wrong, I own up to it. I got it wrong. Sorry. That will teach me to trust reporting of my old employer. "If your political views were even part of the reason why account was suspended from Coutts that is totally reprehensible. Jon." I thought the BBC had a brand new fact checking department to spot fake news in all it's forms wherever it may hide." Me too though now it seems to only be selectively fact checking depending on agenda. Both the bank and the BBC have been made to look really stupid. It could get worse for the bank with all the other disgruntled people who have had their accounts closed, not to mention the reputation damage. As others say it's odd that they use his politics as an excuse to close his account as it does not fit their views but by their own administration offered him an account with the parent company. Does the parent company not care either way then? Also if this did go through the banks legal team then I suggest they find a new legal team and fast. On a final note of my rant, if someone with quite opposing views like Jeremy Cornyn for instance, had their bank account closed in the same way, would that be OK. Discrimination is wrong against anyone and unacceptable regardless of their views | |||
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