FabSwingers.com forum: George Osborne

By *heGateKeeper OP Man
over a year ago

Stratford

Well, well, well

Congrats to the newly weds I guess

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"Well, well, well

Congrats to the newly weds I guess

Quite pathetic from JSO

Probably pushing more ambivalent people away from their cause

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well, well, well

Congrats to the newly weds I guess

Quite pathetic from JSO

Probably pushing more ambivalent people away from their cause "

It wasn’t JSO

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Well, well, well

Congrats to the newly weds I guess

Quite pathetic from JSO

Probably pushing more ambivalent people away from their cause

It wasn’t JSO

How do you know that?

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Well, well, well

Congrats to the newly weds I guess

Quite pathetic from JSO

Probably pushing more ambivalent people away from their cause

It wasn’t JSO

How do you know that?

They said they couldn't claim credit for it.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Well, well, well

Congrats to the newly weds I guess

Quite pathetic from JSO

Probably pushing more ambivalent people away from their cause

It wasn’t JSO

How do you know that?

They said they couldn't claim credit for it."

I’m sure I read a JSO tweet that praised the actions this protester from the West Midlands JSO group?

It could have been spoof, they named her too, which could be an indication of spoof unless they throw one another under diesel bus?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

The lady who threw confetti in Bruton yesterday was upholding a tradition that is common across many cultures. We absolutely defend the right for people to throw confetti (of whatever colour) at weddings and other celebrations.

If it was a form of protest — which is yet to be established — we applaud it and thank the person concerned. It was peaceful and not especially disruptive, but got massive media attention for Just Stop Oil’s demand.

It has also helped people to recall that George Osborne, one of the main architects of economic austerity, is directly responsible for over 300,000 excess deaths, and that — as a newspaper editor — he was responsible for some of the most egregious climate-denying nonsense ever to darken the pages of mainstream mass media.

However, as much as we applaud the use of orange confetti at this wedding, we were not responsible.

Regardless she used their colour.

They've chosen to congratulate her.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

More interestingly, what was in the poison pen letter?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The lady who threw confetti in Bruton yesterday was upholding a tradition that is common across many cultures. We absolutely defend the right for people to throw confetti (of whatever colour) at weddings and other celebrations.

However, as much as we applaud the use of orange confetti at this wedding, we were not responsible.

Regardless she used their colour.

They've chosen to congratulate her.

It wasn’t JSO

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

However, as much as we applaud the use of orange confetti at this wedding, we were not responsible.

Regardless she used their colour.

They've chosen to congratulate her.

It wasn’t JSO

got links to them or believe everything they say?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

However, as much as we applaud the use of orange confetti at this wedding, we were not responsible.

Regardless she used their colour.

They've chosen to congratulate her.

It wasn’t JSO

got links to them or believe everything they say?"

Why would they deny it was them? Do you know how to use Google

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

However, as much as we applaud the use of orange confetti at this wedding, we were not responsible.

Regardless she used their colour.

They've chosen to congratulate her.

It wasn’t JSO

got links to them or believe everything they say?

Why would they deny it was them? Do you know how to use Google

Going over the top, maybe?

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

I liked the headline in The Sunday Times , showing a picture of the happy couple with the words "we're both in this together " .............. As a footnote , when George said we were all in it together while forcing austerity on the country he was wrong , some were in it alot more than others

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

As protests go it's pretty lame, like wearing an orange condom at a party maybe..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

However, as much as we applaud the use of orange confetti at this wedding, we were not responsible.

Regardless she used their colour.

They've chosen to congratulate her.

It wasn’t JSO

got links to them or believe everything they say?

Why would they deny it was them? Do you know how to use Google

Going over the top, maybe? "

Maybe, anyway, it wasn’t JSO

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"I liked the headline in The Sunday Times , showing a picture of the happy couple with the words "we're both in this together " .............. As a footnote , when George said we were all in it together while forcing austerity on the country he was wrong , some were in it alot more than others "

If you have a problem with austerity.

Take it up with he e.u

The e.u demanded all member nations have austerity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you have a problem with austerity.

Take it up with he e.u

The e.u demanded all member nations have austerity."

No it didn’t

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The e.u demanded all member nations have austerity."

Fancy backing that up?

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By *unForrestRunMan
over a year ago

North Ayrshire.

"More interestingly, what was in the poison pen letter?"

It’s available on twitter somewhere.

The jist is hes fucked a few teen girls and Samantha Cameron’s sister apparently

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

If you have a problem with austerity.

Take it up with he e.u

The e.u demanded all member nations have austerity."

I won’t get into a semantics discussion but in lay person terms... within the Eurozone there were requirements on member states. This impacted in Greece. There were no requirements placed on the UK by the EU as far as I recall but please provide links to back up your statement. Ta.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

If you have a problem with austerity.

Take it up with he e.u

The e.u demanded all member nations have austerity.

No it didn’t

It did.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

It was called the 6 pack stability and growth pack. Introduced 2011.

And controlled government spending limits.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

The EU has opened Excessive Deficit Procedure measures against the UK three times (1998, 2004 – 2007, and 2008 – 2017) since the Stability & Growth Pact was signed. It was the most recent recommendations from 2008 which led to all major parties in the UK promising to reduce the deficit through austerity measures.

In July 2008, increased spending by the UK’s Labour government and severe economic conditions worldwide led the EU to open a new Excessive Deficit Procedure against the UK. The EU Commission gave the UK six months to “correct” its excessive deficit situation, by cutting its deficit by 0.5% annually as a percentage of its GDP. The UK initially made poor progress, and government borrowing continued to increase throughout 2008 and 2009.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

"
... So was everybody in this together or not ?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

... So was everybody in this together or not ?"

Can we acknowledge from every one the e.u enforced austerity by spending controls before we move this discussion on.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

... So was everybody in this together or not ?

Can we acknowledge from every one the e.u enforced austerity by spending controls before we move this discussion on."
. Osborne , Cameron the tory government , Nick Clegg the lib Dems said we were all in it together , was that correct or not ?

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By *innerforthreeMan
over a year ago

London/herts

"More interestingly, what was in the poison pen letter?"

That's what I thought. The confetti was nothing, the email though is one hell of a hatchet job.

Suggests his new wife was some sort of home breaker extraordinaire (although takes two to tango ) and lots of snide allegations that Osborne has been a naughty boy too.

It's easily found on google.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was called the 6 pack stability and growth pack. Introduced 2011.

And controlled government spending limits.

Which is not the same as ‘forcing austerity’

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By *innerforthreeMan
over a year ago

London/herts

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

Spending in real terms will virtually never be lowered unless you have negative inflation.

And the EU never imposed austerity that's just brexiteer bullsh1t.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"It was called the 6 pack stability and growth pack. Introduced 2011.

And controlled government spending limits.

Which is not the same as ‘forcing austerity’"

If you are forced to cut your pending to match 3% of gdp.

Otherwise the e.u opens measures against you.

What do you call that then...black mail?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

I've literally posted the pacts that were signed by e.u membernations to obey fiscal rules set by the e.u

I've copy pasted a description for you of the measures taken by the e.u against the UK. For not curbing its spending.

Live in denial all you want. Austerity was an e.u demand as you could only spend 3% of gdp otherwise the e.u began special measures against you.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Do you need more?

The letter detailed how the UK planned to meet the EU Council’s ambitious demands through welfare reform (specifically changes to tax credits and the introduction of Universal Credit), and tax increases, including increasing Insurance Premium Tax, plus clamping down on tax avoidance and evasion. These proposals were accepted by the EU Commission in November. By the end of 2017, the Commission and Council had agreed that the UK had cut its deficit to within its limits, and formally closed the Excessive Deficit Procedure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

Spending in real terms will virtually never be lowered unless you have negative inflation.

And the EU never imposed austerity that's just brexiteer bullsh1t."

There’s no other kind of Brexiter

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Not understanding austerity measures and people simply not liking the person who needed to manage a difficult situation.

Fickle bunch aren't we..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

Spending in real terms will virtually never be lowered unless you have negative inflation.

And the EU never imposed austerity that's just brexiteer bullsh1t."

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"It was called the 6 pack stability and growth pack. Introduced 2011.

And controlled government spending limits.

Which is not the same as ‘forcing austerity’"

I think we will all agree Greece was forced into a lot of things.... Spain and Portugal too.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Telling replies.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

If you have a problem with austerity.

Take it up with he e.u

The e.u demanded all member nations have austerity."
. ;,, its a shame Osborne , Cameron , didn't see this at the time , they could have brought forward the in / out referendum and instead of austerity we could have been enjoying the cheaper clothes , shoes and food we are enjoying now

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

That's interesting information and I certainly did not know about this. I think some others are just learning of it too.I had heard of certain conditions placed on Greece but was unaware that the UK was also impacted. If the UK had not done as the EU said then what were the consequences? Does it just amount to a slap on the wrist or more serious"
,,,it was alot more than a slap on the wrist for the people and communities who suffered through Osbornes and the tories unnecessary austerity , but credit where credit is due how the tories managed to convince enough people that the real problem was the EU was an amazing political con

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

That's interesting information and I certainly did not know about this. I think some others are just learning of it too.I had heard of certain conditions placed on Greece but was unaware that the UK was also impacted. If the UK had not done as the EU said then what were the consequences? Does it just amount to a slap on the wrist or more serious ,,,it was alot more than a slap on the wrist for the people and communities who suffered through Osbornes and the tories unnecessary austerity , but credit where credit is due how the tories managed to convince enough people that the real problem was the EU was an amazing political con "

Fancy addressing the point made?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

Sadly very typical of people on here.

They ask for proof that the e.u demand UK spending cut.

When provided with the agreements they can go read and the breakdowns.

No replies. Or people not replying or rebutting the evidence presented.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

That is really interesting. When I get time I am going to look into this in more detail.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

Sadly very typical of people on here.

They ask for proof that the e.u demand UK spending cut.

When provided with the agreements they can go read and the breakdowns.

No replies. Or people not replying or rebutting the evidence presented.

Or people are on holiday with better things to do with their time!

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

Sadly very typical of people on here.

They ask for proof that the e.u demand UK spending cut.

When provided with the agreements they can go read and the breakdowns.

No replies. Or people not replying or rebutting the evidence presented.

Or people are on holiday with better things to do with their time!"
. ... "some people" May still be waiting for a reply as to wether or not the tory austerity measures / cuts to public services / dropping the top rate of tax for the highest earners meant we were all in it together or not

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

Sadly very typical of people on here.

They ask for proof that the e.u demand UK spending cut.

When provided with the agreements they can go read and the breakdowns.

No replies. Or people not replying or rebutting the evidence presented.

Or people are on holiday with better things to do with their time!. ... "some people" May still be waiting for a reply as to wether or not the tory austerity measures / cuts to public services / dropping the top rate of tax for the highest earners meant we were all in it together or not "

“Some people” only ask questions they don’t answer them. I wouldn’t wait!

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

Sadly very typical of people on here.

They ask for proof that the e.u demand UK spending cut.

When provided with the agreements they can go read and the breakdowns.

No replies. Or people not replying or rebutting the evidence presented.

Or people are on holiday with better things to do with their time!"

They've replied in other threads and replied here without addressing the point.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

Sadly very typical of people on here.

They ask for proof that the e.u demand UK spending cut.

When provided with the agreements they can go read and the breakdowns.

No replies. Or people not replying or rebutting the evidence presented.

“Some people” only ask questions they don’t answer them. I wouldn’t wait!"

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

Sadly very typical of people on here.

They ask for proof that the e.u demand UK spending cut.

When provided with the agreements they can go read and the breakdowns.

No replies. Or people not replying or rebutting the evidence presented.

“Some people” only ask questions they don’t answer them. I wouldn’t wait!"

Waiting for the confirmation and admittance it was an e.u policy before we move the conversation on.

I made that clear.

When people can eat humble pie and admit the e.u imposed austerity. Then we can move the discussion on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

It is. I am happy to discuss JSO embracing the ladies actions after the spoiled the wedding. Some 1 else brought up an incorrect assumption I have now clarified for them.

I am happy to go back to the original point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

It is. I am happy to discuss JSO embracing the ladies actions after the spoiled the wedding. Some 1 else brought up an incorrect assumption I have now clarified for them.

I am happy to go back to the original point."

But I don't think confetti at weddings need only be white.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

It is. I am happy to discuss JSO embracing the ladies actions after the spoiled the wedding. Some 1 else brought up an incorrect assumption I have now clarified for them.

I am happy to go back to the original point."
. ; so were we all in it together or not ???

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

It is. I am happy to discuss JSO embracing the ladies actions after the spoiled the wedding. Some 1 else brought up an incorrect assumption I have now clarified for them.

I am happy to go back to the original point.. ; so were we all in it together or not ???"

Who cares, it was just another dead line that a politician or even CEO would say.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

It is. I am happy to discuss JSO embracing the ladies actions after the spoiled the wedding. Some 1 else brought up an incorrect assumption I have now clarified for them.

I am happy to go back to the original point.. ; so were we all in it together or not ???

Who cares, it was just another dead line that a politician or even CEO would say."
.. Maybe the ones who were in it cared more than those who weren't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

It is. I am happy to discuss JSO embracing the ladies actions after the spoiled the wedding. Some 1 else brought up an incorrect assumption I have now clarified for them.

I am happy to go back to the original point.. ; so were we all in it together or not ???

Who cares, it was just another dead line that a politician or even CEO would say. .. Maybe the ones who were in it cared more than those who weren't "

In it or innit..?

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

It is. I am happy to discuss JSO embracing the ladies actions after the spoiled the wedding. Some 1 else brought up an incorrect assumption I have now clarified for them.

I am happy to go back to the original point.. ; so were we all in it together or not ???

Who cares, it was just another dead line that a politician or even CEO would say. .. Maybe the ones who were in it cared more than those who weren't "

A politician made a comment nearly 15 years ago and you can't let that go, I feel for you mate.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

It is. I am happy to discuss JSO embracing the ladies actions after the spoiled the wedding. Some 1 else brought up an incorrect assumption I have now clarified for them.

I am happy to go back to the original point.. ; so were we all in it together or not ???

Who cares, it was just another dead line that a politician or even CEO would say. .. Maybe the ones who were in it cared more than those who weren't

A politician made a comment nearly 15 years ago and you can't let that go, I feel for you mate."
. And , I hope for the people his actions effected

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

It is. I am happy to discuss JSO embracing the ladies actions after the spoiled the wedding. Some 1 else brought up an incorrect assumption I have now clarified for them.

I am happy to go back to the original point.. ; so were we all in it together or not ???

Who cares, it was just another dead line that a politician or even CEO would say. .. Maybe the ones who were in it cared more than those who weren't

A politician made a comment nearly 15 years ago and you can't let that go, I feel for you mate.. And , I hope for the people his actions effected"

Fuck me, I'll be feeling sorry for the whole world soon.

A politician does something that affects people, the shock horror

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

It is. I am happy to discuss JSO embracing the ladies actions after the spoiled the wedding. Some 1 else brought up an incorrect assumption I have now clarified for them.

I am happy to go back to the original point.

But I don't think confetti at weddings need only be white."

I dont think uninvited guests need to get orange confetti and invade a wedding

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

It is. I am happy to discuss JSO embracing the ladies actions after the spoiled the wedding. Some 1 else brought up an incorrect assumption I have now clarified for them.

I am happy to go back to the original point.. ; so were we all in it together or not ???"

So was austerity an e.u policy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

It is. I am happy to discuss JSO embracing the ladies actions after the spoiled the wedding. Some 1 else brought up an incorrect assumption I have now clarified for them.

I am happy to go back to the original point.. ; so were we all in it together or not ???

So was austerity an e.u policy?"

EU nations are all sovereign.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

That's interesting information and I certainly did not know about this. I think some others are just learning of it too.I had heard of certain conditions placed on Greece but was unaware that the UK was also impacted. If the UK had not done as the EU said then what were the consequences? Does it just amount to a slap on the wrist or more serious ,,,it was alot more than a slap on the wrist for the people and communities who suffered through Osbornes and the tories unnecessary austerity , but credit where credit is due how the tories managed to convince enough people that the real problem was the EU was an amazing political con "

My question was asking of the consequences if the UK had not followed the EU policy. If it would have just been a slap on the wrist then maybe it would have been worth breaking their rules. But if it was more severe, then possibly not

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over a year ago

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

That's interesting information and I certainly did not know about this. I think some others are just learning of it too.I had heard of certain conditions placed on Greece but was unaware that the UK was also impacted. If the UK had not done as the EU said then what were the consequences? Does it just amount to a slap on the wrist or more serious ,,,it was alot more than a slap on the wrist for the people and communities who suffered through Osbornes and the tories unnecessary austerity , but credit where credit is due how the tories managed to convince enough people that the real problem was the EU was an amazing political con

Stages of the procedure

for the EU country whose deficit or debt exceeds the defined limits, the European Commission prepares a report evaluating whether or not to launch an Excessive Deficit Procedure;

the Commission then sends a notice to the country in question and informs the Council if it considers that the deficit is excessive;

on the Commission’s proposal, the Council decides by qualified majority whether, in light of the observations of the country concerned, the deficit is excessive;

if the Council decides that a deficit is excessive, it makes recommendations to the country and prescribes a maximum time limit for it to take effective action (3 or 6 months);

if a country persists in not implementing the recommendations, the Council may decide to give it formal notice to take measures to reduce the deficit within a specified period;

if the country does not comply with the Council’s decisions, the Council may decide to impose sanctions.

Sanctions

Sanctions are imposed if the deficit is not reduced. For countries in the euro area, these sanctions are imposed on a gradual basis beginning with:

the obligation to lodge with the Commission an interest-bearing deposit of 0.2 % of GDP in the preventive phase;

the obligation to lodge a non-interest-bearing deposit of 0.2 % of GDP in the corrective phase. This deposit is converted into a fine of up to 0.5 % of GDP if the recommendations to correct the excessive deficit are not met.

In addition, all EU countries (except the United Kingdom (1)) may be subject to a suspension of commitments or payments of EU Structural and Investment Funds. Penalties are also imposed in cases of statistical manipulation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

It is. I am happy to discuss JSO embracing the ladies actions after the spoiled the wedding. Some 1 else brought up an incorrect assumption I have now clarified for them.

I am happy to go back to the original point.

But I don't think confetti at weddings need only be white.

I dont think uninvited guests need to get orange confetti and invade a wedding"

Hardly the worst thing to happening in the world. But you would think by the print space and butt's hurt, it was.

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By *luv2flirtCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Just a minor point.

If you are running a deficit and you are told that it needs addressing you can take a number of approaches to closing that deficit.

These range from cutting spending on both social care or perhaps benefits, or you could cut infrastructure spending along with cuts to major projects such as a nuclear submarine fleet.

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

They could also increase taxes on wealthier individuals or increase corporation taxes along with the removal of beneficial allowances such as support for offshore oil production. Offshore tax havens controlled by the U.K. could also be brought into line with a more stringent tax regime. Tax avoidance methods could be revised and the myriad of options reduced.

The EU instructed the U.K. to reduce its deficit it did not instruct the U.K. on which methods to use. The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"A copy paste from a description of the measures before pact 6.

For what it's worth though. From Ana conomic point of view no austerity occurred I the e.u really. Only fiscal consolidation.

Austerity is a cut to government spending ( no real terms I lncluded)

And if you include real terms I think we only lowered out spending in 1 year of Tory gov.

That's interesting information and I certainly did not know about this. I think some others are just learning of it too.I had heard of certain conditions placed on Greece but was unaware that the UK was also impacted. If the UK had not done as the EU said then what were the consequences? Does it just amount to a slap on the wrist or more serious ,,,it was alot more than a slap on the wrist for the people and communities who suffered through Osbornes and the tories unnecessary austerity , but credit where credit is due how the tories managed to convince enough people that the real problem was the EU was an amazing political con

Stages of the procedure

for the EU country whose deficit or debt exceeds the defined limits, the European Commission prepares a report evaluating whether or not to launch an Excessive Deficit Procedure;

the Commission then sends a notice to the country in question and informs the Council if it considers that the deficit is excessive;

on the Commission’s proposal, the Council decides by qualified majority whether, in light of the observations of the country concerned, the deficit is excessive;

if the Council decides that a deficit is excessive, it makes recommendations to the country and prescribes a maximum time limit for it to take effective action (3 or 6 months);

if a country persists in not implementing the recommendations, the Council may decide to give it formal notice to take measures to reduce the deficit within a specified period;

if the country does not comply with the Council’s decisions, the Council may decide to impose sanctions.

Sanctions

Sanctions are imposed if the deficit is not reduced. For countries in the euro area, these sanctions are imposed on a gradual basis beginning with:

the obligation to lodge with the Commission an interest-bearing deposit of 0.2 % of GDP in the preventive phase;

I don't understand everything in the very good explanation (thanks) but it does sound bad and far from a slap on the wrists. I assume that in any future similar situation, the government cannot use EU imposed conditions as an excuse

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

So Morley regarding the EU imposing Austerity. Based on the following...

_luv2flirt said:

"The EU instructed the U.K. to reduce its deficit it did not instruct the U.K. on which methods to use. The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option."

CDtopleaseyou said:

Sanctions are imposed if the deficit is not reduced. For countries in the euro area, these sanctions are imposed on a gradual basis beginning with...

SNIP

As the UK was not in the Eurozone (a point I made early in this thread) I would say the answer is NO THE EU DID NOT IMPOSE AUSTERITY. They required the UK as a member to reduce the deficit. The UK govt determined the approach and decided on austerity.

So that feels settled, back on topic?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"Just a minor point.

If you are running a deficit and you are told that it needs addressing you can take a number of approaches to closing that deficit.

These range from cutting spending on both social care or perhaps benefits, or you could cut infrastructure spending along with cuts to major projects such as a nuclear submarine fleet.

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

Higher taxes is austerity.

Decreasing spending is austerity.

Which measure ou mention isn't austerity?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"So Morley regarding the EU imposing Austerity. Based on the following...

_luv2flirt said:

CDtopleaseyou said:

Sanctions are imposed if the deficit is not reduced. For countries in the euro area, these sanctions are imposed on a gradual basis beginning with...

SNIP

So that feels settled, back on topic?"

The e.u began it's process of punitive measures to the uk.

Austerity is defined in economics as increasing taxes and lowering spending.

As per the answer on the uk taxing it's way out to improve its deficit or decreasing spending in the reply given to me.

The ways of improving the deficit are austerity.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Austerity refers to strict economic policies that a government imposes to control growing public debt, defined by increased frugality.

There are three primary types of austerity measures: revenue generation (higher taxes) to fund spending, raising taxes while cutting nonessential government functions, and lower taxes and lower government spending.

Austerity is controversial, and national outcomes from austerity measures can be more damaging than if they hadn't been used.

Many countries, including the United States and Greece, have introduced austerity measures during times of economic uncertainty.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Essentially there's a back and forth betweent he budgetary committe and the e.u Council.

The e.u Council tells the uk whether it accepts its tax and spending reforms.

If the e.u Council doesn't think they are enough, the uk must go back to the drawing board.

I think people in this thread probably need to read up on austerity first and it's definition before engaging further.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Feel free to Google.

Ec Europe economic governance uk.

This should provide 2 links to Europe.eu

You can follow the entire written communications and advices etc from 2008 to 2020 on there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Cameron 2010 manifesto pre-dates the EU six-pack, does it not?

Plus, EU batons are sovereign, and we weren’t in the eurozone.

Austerity was a choice by U.K govt.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"The Cameron 2010 manifesto pre-dates the EU six-pack, does it not?

Plus, EU batons are sovereign, and we weren’t in the eurozone.

Austerity was a choice by U.K govt. "

The six pack was part of it. The actual treaty was part of the maastricht one.

Please go read.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Cameron 2010 manifesto pre-dates the EU six-pack, does it not?

Plus, EU batons are sovereign, and we weren’t in the eurozone.

Austerity was a choice by U.K govt.

The six pack was part of it. The actual treaty was part of the maastricht one.

Please go read."

Maastricht was 1992, was it not?

And once again, all EU nations are sovereign.

Of course those bailed out faced financial ramifications, just as anyone would if they needed financial assistance - but that’s not the same as austerity being ‘forced’

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"The Cameron 2010 manifesto pre-dates the EU six-pack, does it not?

Plus, EU batons are sovereign, and we weren’t in the eurozone.

Austerity was a choice by U.K govt.

The six pack was part of it. The actual treaty was part of the maastricht one.

Please go read.

Maastricht was 1992, was it not?

And once again, all EU nations are sovereign.

Of course those bailed out faced financial ramifications, just as anyone would if they needed financial assistance - but that’s not the same as austerity being ‘forced’

It was I think you need to read up on the agreements. I gave you one. I thought you'd maybe take 5 minutes to views the history of the Stability and growth pact.

I underestimated your laziness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Cameron 2010 manifesto pre-dates the EU six-pack, does it not?

Plus, EU batons are sovereign, and we weren’t in the eurozone.

Austerity was a choice by U.K govt.

The six pack was part of it. The actual treaty was part of the maastricht one.

Please go read.

Maastricht was 1992, was it not?

And once again, all EU nations are sovereign.

Of course those bailed out faced financial ramifications, just as anyone would if they needed financial assistance - but that’s not the same as austerity being ‘forced’

It was I think you need to read up on the agreements. I gave you one. I thought you'd maybe take 5 minutes to views the history of the Stability and growth pact.

I underestimated your laziness "

Some of us have work to do.

That doesn’t change the fact that austerity was a choice made by U.K govt.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"The Cameron 2010 manifesto pre-dates the EU six-pack, does it not?

Plus, EU batons are sovereign, and we weren’t in the eurozone.

Austerity was a choice by U.K govt.

The six pack was part of it. The actual treaty was part of the maastricht one.

Please go read.

Maastricht was 1992, was it not?

And once again, all EU nations are sovereign.

Of course those bailed out faced financial ramifications, just as anyone would if they needed financial assistance - but that’s not the same as austerity being ‘forced’

It was I think you need to read up on the agreements. I gave you one. I thought you'd maybe take 5 minutes to views the history of the Stability and growth pact.

I underestimated your laziness

Some of us have work to do.

That doesn’t change the fact that austerity was a choice made by U.K govt.

Repeat something that's incorrect as .Uchida as you want.

It doesn't change you being wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Cameron 2010 manifesto pre-dates the EU six-pack, does it not?

Plus, EU batons are sovereign, and we weren’t in the eurozone.

Austerity was a choice by U.K govt.

The six pack was part of it. The actual treaty was part of the maastricht one.

Please go read.

Maastricht was 1992, was it not?

And once again, all EU nations are sovereign.

Of course those bailed out faced financial ramifications, just as anyone would if they needed financial assistance - but that’s not the same as austerity being ‘forced’

It was I think you need to read up on the agreements. I gave you one. I thought you'd maybe take 5 minutes to views the history of the Stability and growth pact.

I underestimated your laziness

Some of us have work to do.

That doesn’t change the fact that austerity was a choice made by U.K govt.

Repeat something that's incorrect as .Uchida as you want.

It doesn't change you being wrong."

I’d argue you could listen to your own advice once in a while

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If this woman wasn't a guest of the Bride or Groom then she had no business being there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If this woman wasn't a guest of the Bride or Groom then she had no business being there."

So a party crasher. Hardly crime of the century...

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By *innerforthreeMan
over a year ago

London/herts

"Essentially there's a back and forth betweent he budgetary committe and the e.u Council.

The e.u Council tells the uk whether it accepts its tax and spending reforms.

If the e.u Council doesn't think they are enough, the uk must go back to the drawing board.

I think people in this thread probably need to read up on austerity first and it's definition before engaging further."

No you are playing with words and definitions.

You can copy and paste the economic definitions of austerity as much as you want, it still doesnt change what actually happened!

The coalition government's version of austerity was cuts to public service spending.

You can argue as much as you want but that doesn't change what actually happened!

Back in your brexiteer box please....

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By *luv2flirtCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

If we are playing with words and your interpretation of such words, please confirm your choice below? The word has more than one meaning and it also has more than one interpretation.

sternness or severity of manner or attitude.

"he was noted for his austerity and his authoritarianism".

So is the government just being stern or

difficult economic conditions “created by government” measures to reduce public expenditure.

"the country was subjected to acute economic austerity"

So now we’ve established the concept of words varied meanings and interpretation .

It could easily be established the vast majority people would consider austerity as the reduction of public services and the cutting of pay for state employees. They would not consider closing a tax haven for wealthy individuals or cancelling a nuclear submarine build as austerity. The submarine could be purely normal financial management.

Feel free to interpret your own view of the world and the meaning of austerity for the context to which it is being used by this government. I believe however most of the population if you asked would consider my view as correct.

I’d be interested to see any government minister publicly suggest tax havens being closed as a painful austerity measure to balance the UK’s deficit.

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By *luv2flirtCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Footnote for fairness.

I do agree with the point tax measures such as not increasing tax thresholds and increasing NI for an average income could be considered austerity measures.

Again other tax measure I most certainly wouldn’t consider at all. .

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

One wonders what name did he sign the register with was it his given name of Gideon or his more commoner name to sound one of the people George?

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"One wonders what name did he sign the register with was it his given name of Gideon or his more commoner name to sound one of the people George?"

Or just 'G', most people only use there initial

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By *luv2flirtCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Personally I didn’t like the protest at the wedding.

It was a personal potentially once in a lifetime event between a couple.

I’m a bit marmite with Osbourne day to day depending on his views. By his actions he has negatively impacted a lot of people’s lives so by all means chain yourself to his garden gate or let his cars tyres down etc etc but on that particular event I can’t say I support the actions however minimal they were.

Protest at the cricket or snooker etc no problem but definitely no to blocking roads. Too many unpredictable consequences. Just my five pence worth.

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By *innerforthreeMan
over a year ago

London/herts

"One wonders what name did he sign the register with was it his given name of Gideon or his more commoner name to sound one of the people George?"

Who actually cares?

Woohoo his first name is not the name he goes by and is a bit old fashioned so what?

Boris Johnson is known to friends and family as Al, so what? No one makes an issue about that....

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By *exymilf_69Woman
over a year ago

yorkshire

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"One wonders what name did he sign the register with was it his given name of Gideon or his more commoner name to sound one of the people George?

Who actually cares?

Woohoo his first name is not the name he goes by and is a bit old fashioned so what?

Boris Johnson is known to friends and family as Al, so what? No one makes an issue about that....

Johnson's birth name is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson so in truth he is not simply "Boris" he is "Boris de Pfeffel". Hence shortening Alexander to Al looks sensible.

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By *innerforthreeMan
over a year ago

London/herts

"One wonders what name did he sign the register with was it his given name of Gideon or his more commoner name to sound one of the people George?

Who actually cares?

Woohoo his first name is not the name he goes by and is a bit old fashioned so what?

Boris Johnson is known to friends and family as Al, so what? No one makes an issue about that....

Johnson's birth name is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson so in truth he is not simply "Boris" he is "Boris de Pfeffel". Hence shortening Alexander to Al looks sensible.

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Huh? That's just a familial name. I've got one too...much more staid. Many people for historic or whatever reasons go by one of their middle names or will have an extra surname chucked in there.

It's a big so what from me.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"Essentially there's a back and forth betweent he budgetary committe and the e.u Council.

The e.u Council tells the uk whether it accepts its tax and spending reforms.

If the e.u Council doesn't think they are enough, the uk must go back to the drawing board.

I think people in this thread probably need to read up on austerity first and it's definition before engaging further.

No you are playing with words and definitions.

You can copy and paste the economic definitions of austerity as much as you want, it still doesnt change what actually happened!

The coalition government's version of austerity was cuts to public service spending.

You can argue as much as you want but that doesn't change what actually happened!

Back in your brexiteer box please...."

I explaimed my take.

What happened for me is fiscal consolidation( I the European links I referred to the uk government uk even calls it that) indont think we ever really practiced austerity.

The answer set out above as to how to cut the deficit is exactly whatbausterity is. I am sorry. But don't use economic terms/ give economic advice, if you don't comprehend them.

Tax increases and lowering government borrowing (spending) is exactly the economic dictionary deifnition of austerity.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"If we are playing with words and your interpretation of such words, please confirm your choice below? The word has more than one meaning and it also has more than one interpretation.

sternness or severity of manner or attitude.

"he was noted for his austerity and his authoritarianism".

So is the government just being stern or

difficult economic conditions “created by government” measures to reduce public expenditure.

"the country was subjected to acute economic austerity"

So now we’ve established the concept of words varied meanings and interpretation .

I’d be interested to see any government minister publicly suggest tax havens being closed as a painful austerity measure to balance the UK’s deficit.

It doesn't matter whatbyhe public thinks.

What matters is the economic definitions, as the public in general are bot economists.

Whether you like it or not the economic definition of austerity was explained as tax increases and lower spending.

Your answer as to methods on how to reduce the deficit were austerity.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

These range from cutting spending on both social care or perhaps benefits, or you could cut infrastructure spending along with cuts to major projects such as a nuclear submarine fleet.( this would be austerity you are cutting government spending)

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

U.K. could also be brought into line with a more stringent tax regime. Tax avoidance methods could be revised and the myriad of options reduced.( ensuring tax avoidance possibilities are closed so people pay more tax,austerity)

The EU instructed the U.K. to reduce its deficit it did not instruct the U.K. on which methods to use.( all your methods are austerity? Please find enligjten us to how they go about it without austerity? There is a way , spot it)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

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By *innerforthreeMan
over a year ago

London/herts

"These range from cutting spending on both social care or perhaps benefits, or you could cut infrastructure spending along with cuts to major projects such as a nuclear submarine fleet.( this would be austerity you are cutting government spending)

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)"

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers....."

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

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over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion."

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know."

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that"

Would you like to give us a quote, or a link to a report of where he said that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Would you like to give us a quote, or a link to a report of where he said that?"

He said it would be ‘even stevens’ for the economy.

https://www.ft.com/content/69df596f-69ac-36a8-988a-b78a5ce09677

Of course since then he’s rowed back and said that ‘Brexit has failed’

https://www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-uk-eu-brexit-has-failed/amp/

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know."

What they should have done is to have five basic questions about that the EU is and what it does. The information would have been made clearly available to everyone. Your vote only counts if you get the five questions right.

We'd still be in the EU right now.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that"

"Would you like to give us a quote, or a link to a report of where he said that?"

"He said it would be ‘even stevens’ for the economy.

https://www.ft.com/content/69df596f-69ac-36a8-988a-b78a5ce09677"

Thanks for the link. It's nice when people can back up the things they claim.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again."

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Btw.

Dod you listen to the radio 4 interview.

Or just what some one quoted in the FT article?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So everyone who has studied economics has the same point of view..?

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So everyone who has studied economics has the same point of view..?

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't know why my reply isn't showing on last 2 post.

But it was " So everyone who has studied economics will have the same point of view? ?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

I think it’s apt to quote the foremost vocal supporter of Brexit when he admitted that there was no economic benefit in the project. Also when he admits that it’s failed (as he’s done recently).

Now’s your chance though Morley, tell us all the economic benefits of Brexit - actual economic data, not ‘could’, ‘should’ or hypothesis - what has been the unarguable economic benefit of leaving the EU?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

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By *innerforthreeMan
over a year ago

London/herts

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?"

Well for most people he's a loathsome orange hypocrite sat at home with his German wife and EU pension pretending to be a man of the people....but for you lot who can't see through the act he seems to be christ resurrected....

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Well for most people he's a loathsome orange hypocrite sat at home with his German wife and EU pension ..."

Be fair to him. He got his EU pension from being elected an MEP. He then set about a campaign to abolish his own job, not stopping until he had succeeded in making himself redundant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well for most people he's a loathsome orange hypocrite sat at home with his German wife and EU pension ...

Be fair to him. He got his EU pension from being elected an MEP. He then set about a campaign to abolish his own job, not stopping until he had succeeded in making himself redundant."

‘Job’

It’s not like he ever turned up and did much except collect his money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?"

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research. "

He did. A bit of context would do well though.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research. "

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

This is why full quotes matter because he is saying they haven't implemented brexit in a way the people envisaged.

But youndont take the full quote.

Only a partial quote

And you have seen this correction before

So you are knowingly lying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”"

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

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By *innerforthreeMan
over a year ago

London/herts

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

As are you.

No one envisaged nor wanted a hard no deal Brexit, which is what Farage wanted and his hedge fund cronies wanted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

As are you.

No one envisaged nor wanted a hard no deal Brexit, which is what Farage wanted and his hedge fund cronies wanted."

No, to be fair to Farage he never stated what he wanted Brexit to explicitly look like. He offered up Norway and Switzerland type deals on two separate occasions - also wanted hard-Brexit (which we got).

He’s always been deliberately vague so he can’t be pinned down on anything.

All that matters is that we got Brexit by the only measurable factor - we left the EU. And now we all get to judge its success or failure.

And it’s not looking good so far

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree."

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To early to say Brexit has failed. It all depends on your measurement of success or failure.

If your going by the language of the pro Brexit campaign. Yes then its failed. Ut if your talking about the country becoming a banana Republic like some predicted it hasn't. The UK still is a major economy and voice on the world stage.

I think we need to see where we are in 20 years before you can say it has or not. Despite being a remainer, the waters have been too rough in the past 3 years, to say that it is a success or not.

It has be mostly down to bad government by the Conservatives. We need a united competent government for the next 10 years in power. Who put the interests of the country before their personal or party interests.

Unfortunately I don't think labour under Starmer is the party. But they probably need to be given a go.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"To early to say Brexit has failed. It all depends on your measurement of success or failure.

I think we need to see where we are in 20 years before you can say it has or not. Despite being a remainer, the waters have been too rough in the past 3 years, to say that it is a success or not.

Unfortunately I don't think labour under Starmer is the party. But they probably need to be given a go."

I see things very much the same way as yourself. The problem we have here is there is a certain crowd that want instant success and forget about everything else we've been dealing with alongside Brexit.

Has it been a shitshow thus far? Very much so, that doesn't mean it can't be a success.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Saying Brexit hasn't delivered what the people envisaged is a red herring. There was no single vision, a miss mash of different reasons, motivation and opportunities to be grabbed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?"

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words. "

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Because itmf you were quoting him for the ft article. You were incorrect.

When yluw ere quoting him on brexit failure. You weren't quoting the entire quote. Just a snippet.

And you were doing it intentionally which as always for you. Sadly makes you a liar.

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over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?"

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Because itmf you were quoting him for the ft article. You were incorrect.

When yluw ere quoting him on brexit failure. You weren't quoting the entire quote. Just a snippet.

And you were doing it intentionally which as always for you. Sadly makes you a liar.

Liar is your go-to response even when presented with proof, Morley. You’ve no credibility.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country."

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that."

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense."

This is where its a struggle. You often tell people they have no credibility whilst continuing to misquote or paraphrase. You should really live up to the standards you set.

It would make communication with others much more pleasant, we may even start to understand and find solutions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

This is where its a struggle. You often tell people they have no credibility whilst continuing to misquote or paraphrase. You should really live up to the standards you set.

It would make communication with others much more pleasant, we may even start to understand and find solutions."

Paraphrasing is a legitimate tool in writing

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense."

I paraphrased ..."lied"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

I paraphrased ..."lied""

That’s not what paraphrasing is. I recommend a dictionary.

Also, you need a better comeback than calling everyone a liar. No offence, it makes you look incredibly childish. Especially after you’ve refused to apologise for calling someone a liar and they proved you wrong

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

This is where its a struggle. You often tell people they have no credibility whilst continuing to misquote or paraphrase. You should really live up to the standards you set.

It would make communication with others much more pleasant, we may even start to understand and find solutions.

Paraphrasing is a legitimate tool in writing

Paraphrasing = express the meaning of (something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity.

What you did was not paraphrasing. And you certainly didn't provide 'greater clarity'.

As far as paraphrasing being a legitimate tool, yes but not when used incorrectly.

Incorrect paraphrasing is usually when an author replaces just a word or two of a source's phrasing with synonyms. This type of paraphrasing does not show enough understanding and engagement with the text. Instead, the author needs to strive to take ideas and information and place them in his or her own words.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

I paraphrased ..."lied"

That’s not what paraphrasing is. I recommend a dictionary.

I call people liars when they demonstrably lie. As you have sadly its a traitnin this forum that people like to make things up to try and push a narrative.

Whether its purposefully leaving out a full sentence.

Claiming some 1 is funded by an organisation without proof.

Claiming gad tankers haven't arrived.

Claiming 99% of scientist agree on something .

If you dpnt want to be called a liar. Don't lie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

I paraphrased ..."lied"

That’s not what paraphrasing is. I recommend a dictionary.

I call people liars when they demonstrably lie. As you have sadly its a traitnin this forum that people like to make things up to try and push a narrative.

Whether its purposefully leaving out a full sentence.

Claiming some 1 is funded by an organisation without proof.

Claiming gad tankers haven't arrived.

Claiming 99% of scientist agree on something .

If you dpnt want to be called a liar. Don't lie."

What are gad tankers? And what organisations have I claimed are finding anyone?

Also, it hasn’t gone unnoticed that you didn’t answer my question about economic benefits of Brexit.

Chop chop

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"One wonders what name did he sign the register with was it his given name of Gideon or his more commoner name to sound one of the people George?

Who actually cares?

Woohoo his first name is not the name he goes by and is a bit old fashioned so what?

Boris Johnson is known to friends and family as Al, so what? No one makes an issue about that....

Johnson's birth name is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson so in truth he is not simply "Boris" he is "Boris de Pfeffel". Hence shortening Alexander to Al looks sensible.

[Brought to you by Useless Facts "We waste your time so you don't have to!"]

You missed out his middle names “Grifting” and “Cunt”

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

This is where its a struggle. You often tell people they have no credibility whilst continuing to misquote or paraphrase. You should really live up to the standards you set.

It would make communication with others much more pleasant, we may even start to understand and find solutions.

Paraphrasing is a legitimate tool in writing

Paraphrasing = express the meaning of (something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity.

What you did was not paraphrasing. And you certainly didn't provide 'greater clarity'.

As far as paraphrasing being a legitimate tool, yes but not when used incorrectly.

Coutts closed Farage’s bank account(s) because he was a complete grifting cunt. I admit I am paraphrasing

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

This is where its a struggle. You often tell people they have no credibility whilst continuing to misquote or paraphrase. You should really live up to the standards you set.

It would make communication with others much more pleasant, we may even start to understand and find solutions.

Paraphrasing is a legitimate tool in writing

Paraphrasing = express the meaning of (something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity.

What you did was not paraphrasing. And you certainly didn't provide 'greater clarity'.

As far as paraphrasing being a legitimate tool, yes but not when used incorrectly.

Coutts closed Farage’s bank account(s) because he was a complete grifting cunt. I admit I am paraphrasing

Still not paraphrasing but you're allowed to be comical

Best not to do it when trying to quote someone, just direct quote

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

I paraphrased ..."lied"

That’s not what paraphrasing is. I recommend a dictionary.

I call people liars when they demonstrably lie. As you have sadly its a traitnin this forum that people like to make things up to try and push a narrative.

Whether its purposefully leaving out a full sentence.

Claiming some 1 is funded by an organisation without proof.

Claiming gad tankers haven't arrived.

Claiming 99% of scientist agree on something .

If you dpnt want to be called a liar. Don't lie."

I hope you are not accusing me of saying some1 [sic] is funded by an organisation without proof? If you are accusing ME of said action then you are a liar!

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

This is where its a struggle. You often tell people they have no credibility whilst continuing to misquote or paraphrase. You should really live up to the standards you set.

It would make communication with others much more pleasant, we may even start to understand and find solutions.

Paraphrasing is a legitimate tool in writing

Paraphrasing = express the meaning of (something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity.

What you did was not paraphrasing. And you certainly didn't provide 'greater clarity'.

As far as paraphrasing being a legitimate tool, yes but not when used incorrectly.

Coutts closed Farage’s bank account(s) because he was a complete grifting cunt. I admit I am paraphrasing

Still not paraphrasing but you're allowed to be comical

Best not to do it when trying to quote someone, just direct quote

Pretty sure Coutts said something along those lines though, or probably thought it

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

This is where its a struggle. You often tell people they have no credibility whilst continuing to misquote or paraphrase. You should really live up to the standards you set.

It would make communication with others much more pleasant, we may even start to understand and find solutions.

Paraphrasing is a legitimate tool in writing

Paraphrasing = express the meaning of (something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity.

What you did was not paraphrasing. And you certainly didn't provide 'greater clarity'.

As far as paraphrasing being a legitimate tool, yes but not when used incorrectly.

Coutts closed Farage’s bank account(s) because he was a complete grifting cunt. I admit I am paraphrasing

Still not paraphrasing but you're allowed to be comical

Best not to do it when trying to quote someone, just direct quote

Pretty sure Coutts said something along those lines though, or probably thought it

Petty sure Coutts didn't say anything at all. They definitely thought it though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

This is where its a struggle. You often tell people they have no credibility whilst continuing to misquote or paraphrase. You should really live up to the standards you set.

It would make communication with others much more pleasant, we may even start to understand and find solutions.

Paraphrasing is a legitimate tool in writing

Paraphrasing = express the meaning of (something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity.

What you did was not paraphrasing. And you certainly didn't provide 'greater clarity'.

As far as paraphrasing being a legitimate tool, yes but not when used incorrectly.

Coutts closed Farage’s bank account(s) because he was a complete grifting cunt. I admit I am paraphrasing

No, it’s because he’s brassic, having backed every losing horse since 2016.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

This is where its a struggle. You often tell people they have no credibility whilst continuing to misquote or paraphrase. You should really live up to the standards you set.

It would make communication with others much more pleasant, we may even start to understand and find solutions.

Paraphrasing is a legitimate tool in writing

Paraphrasing = express the meaning of (something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity.

What you did was not paraphrasing. And you certainly didn't provide 'greater clarity'.

As far as paraphrasing being a legitimate tool, yes but not when used incorrectly.

Coutts closed Farage’s bank account(s) because he was a complete grifting cunt. I admit I am paraphrasing

Still not paraphrasing but you're allowed to be comical

Best not to do it when trying to quote someone, just direct quote

Pretty sure Coutts said something along those lines though, or probably thought it

Petty sure Coutts didn't say anything at all. They definitely thought it though

Never a word said in jest!

Anyway Georgie’s wedding. Apparently it wasn’t a protest, just someone off their nut who heard Tories throw a good party!

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

I paraphrased ..."lied"

That’s not what paraphrasing is. I recommend a dictionary.

I call people liars when they demonstrably lie. As you have sadly its a traitnin this forum that people like to make things up to try and push a narrative.

Whether its purposefully leaving out a full sentence.

Claiming some 1 is funded by an organisation without proof.

Claiming gad tankers haven't arrived.

Claiming 99% of scientist agree on something .

If you dpnt want to be called a liar. Don't lie.

What are gad tankers? And what organisations have I claimed are finding anyone?

Also, it hasn’t gone unnoticed that you didn’t answer my question about economic benefits of Brexit.

Chop chop"

Gas tankers.

Sadly a lot of people such as yourself come on here to lie.

I've become used to it.

You're picking up the baton where fabtastic left off.

Which question?

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By *innerforthreeMan
over a year ago

London/herts

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

I paraphrased ..."lied"

That’s not what paraphrasing is. I recommend a dictionary.

He's a brexiteer....life is binary.

And the support for Farage the ultimate establishment figure, Dulwich college then banking in the city....doesn't get much more establishment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

I paraphrased ..."lied"

That’s not what paraphrasing is. I recommend a dictionary.

I call people liars when they demonstrably lie. As you have sadly its a traitnin this forum that people like to make things up to try and push a narrative.

Whether its purposefully leaving out a full sentence.

Claiming some 1 is funded by an organisation without proof.

Claiming gad tankers haven't arrived.

Claiming 99% of scientist agree on something .

If you dpnt want to be called a liar. Don't lie.

What are gad tankers? And what organisations have I claimed are finding anyone?

Also, it hasn’t gone unnoticed that you didn’t answer my question about economic benefits of Brexit.

Chop chop

Gas tankers.

Sadly a lot of people such as yourself come on here to lie.

I've become used to it.

You're picking up the baton where fabtastic left off.

Which question?

Feel free to find a post where I have mentioned gas tankers.

You can apologise afterwards.

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By *luv2flirtCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

"If we are playing with words and your interpretation of such words, please confirm your choice below? The word has more than one meaning and it also has more than one interpretation.

sternness or severity of manner or attitude.

"he was noted for his austerity and his authoritarianism".

So is the government just being stern or

difficult economic conditions “created by government” measures to reduce public expenditure.

"the country was subjected to acute economic austerity"

So now we’ve established the concept of words varied meanings and interpretation .

I’d be interested to see any government minister publicly suggest tax havens being closed as a painful austerity measure to balance the UK’s deficit.

It doesn't matter whatbyhe public thinks.

What matters is the economic definitions, as the public in general are bot economists.

Whether you like it or not the economic definition of austerity was explained as tax increases and lower spending.

Your answer as to methods on how to reduce the deficit were austerity.

It doesn’t matter what people think and yet here you are waffling with other sad cases (me included) on a political forum on a swingers site? Do you realise how bizarre and ridiculous that sounds as you rant aggressively wanting others to care about what you think and say?

The terms used are not restricted to a dictionary or just economic interpretation for a very simple reason. The actions taken are political actions taken by politicians not economists and definitely not guided by a dictionary. The economists of this country may advise but the decision is not theirs.

As a consequence the term austerity as I stated earlier but you chose to ignore is most certainly open to interpretation. I repeat my interpretation of the term austerity, which I believe the majority of people agree with in this governments case, is actions taken which are biased against the interests of the less well off and middle income earners in the U.K.

Just to be clear, like you don’t care what the public think, I don’t care what your interpretation of austerity is.

We are not a country run by the London school of economics or a dictionary. We are run by a government of elected officials. So their interpretation and actions taken as a consequence are subject to beliefs and thoughts, again not a dictionary.

So you actually do need to care what people think as those people are in some cases politicians.

Have a nice weekend

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By *entle_lover_xMan
over a year ago

Great Dunmow

Quick scan here and it all appears rather heated and somewhat personal. It is too late and the quote replies too long for me to pick through but when things get personal and abusive, posts can get removed, threads closed and Forum timeouts/bans issued.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I see she has been identified now. And is yet another hypocrite.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"I see she has been identified now. And is yet another hypocrite. "

I haven't seen anything. Who is she?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I see she has been identified now. And is yet another hypocrite.

I haven't seen anything. Who is she?"

Resident of the same village. Oversaw the village declaring a climate emergency and then buggered off to a three week holiday in Thailand.

Do as I say not what I do

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"I see she has been identified now. And is yet another hypocrite.

I haven't seen anything. Who is she?

Resident of the same village. Oversaw the village declaring a climate emergency and then buggered off to a three week holiday in Thailand.

Do as I say not what I do"

Found it.

Isn't it really sad that she doesn't want the credit for it

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?

I agree that we should have had a second referendum. I agree that the tories are a shit show.

I also agree that ukip should have had MP’s (under PR).

I don’t agree that a mechanic attempted to assassinate him, and I don’t agree that ‘remainer banks’ are trying to force him out of the country.

It appears we agree apart from the last bit. Did he say 'remainer banks' or did he say 'the establishment'?

He may have said 'remainer banks' and I missed that.

No I paraphrased because I couldn’t be arsed to get the exact quote - he said it was ‘possibly’ ‘revenge for Brexit’

Which I still think is abject nonsense.

I paraphrased ..."lied"

That’s not what paraphrasing is. I recommend a dictionary.

I call people liars when they demonstrably lie. As you have sadly its a traitnin this forum that people like to make things up to try and push a narrative.

Whether its purposefully leaving out a full sentence.

Claiming some 1 is funded by an organisation without proof.

Claiming gad tankers haven't arrived.

Claiming 99% of scientist agree on something .

If you dpnt want to be called a liar. Don't lie.

What are gad tankers? And what organisations have I claimed are finding anyone?

Also, it hasn’t gone unnoticed that you didn’t answer my question about economic benefits of Brexit.

Chop chop

Gas tankers.

Sadly a lot of people such as yourself come on here to lie.

I've become used to it.

You're picking up the baton where fabtastic left off.

Which question?

Feel free to find a post where I have mentioned gas tankers.

You can apologise afterwards."

I never said you did.

Try re reading champ.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"If we are playing with words and your interpretation of such words, please confirm your choice below? The word has more than one meaning and it also has more than one interpretation.

sternness or severity of manner or attitude.

"he was noted for his austerity and his authoritarianism".

So is the government just being stern or

difficult economic conditions “created by government” measures to reduce public expenditure.

"the country was subjected to acute economic austerity"

So now we’ve established the concept of words varied meanings and interpretation .

I’d be interested to see any government minister publicly suggest tax havens being closed as a painful austerity measure to balance the UK’s deficit.

It doesn't matter whatbyhe public thinks.

What matters is the economic definitions, as the public in general are bot economists.

Whether you like it or not the economic definition of austerity was explained as tax increases and lower spending.

Your answer as to methods on how to reduce the deficit were austerity.

Just to be clear, like you don’t care what the public think, I don’t care what your interpretation of austerity is.

So you actually do need to care what people think as those people are in some cases politicians.

Have a nice weekend

Nothing aggressive just informing you that the exact ways out of the deficit you cited were austerity.

It'd not my fault you were not aware of that.

Try picking up an economics book.

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By *luv2flirtCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

"If we are playing with words and your interpretation of such words, please confirm your choice below? The word has more than one meaning and it also has more than one interpretation.

sternness or severity of manner or attitude.

"he was noted for his austerity and his authoritarianism".

So is the government just being stern or

difficult economic conditions “created by government” measures to reduce public expenditure.

"the country was subjected to acute economic austerity"

So now we’ve established the concept of words varied meanings and interpretation .

I’d be interested to see any government minister publicly suggest tax havens being closed as a painful austerity measure to balance the UK’s deficit.

It doesn't matter whatbyhe public thinks.

What matters is the economic definitions, as the public in general are bot economists.

Whether you like it or not the economic definition of austerity was explained as tax increases and lower spending.

Your answer as to methods on how to reduce the deficit were austerity.

Just to be clear, like you don’t care what the public think, I don’t care what your interpretation of austerity is.

So you actually do need to care what people think as those people are in some cases politicians.

Have a nice weekend

Nothing aggressive just informing you that the exact ways out of the deficit you cited were austerity.

It'd not my fault you were not aware of that.

Try picking up an economics book.

You see you just can’t let it go because of your emotions and blinkered view on your own opinions.. The point has been clearly made by myself and many other on here, that people use the word austerity as a particular types of negative actions against certain groups of the population by this government. The fact you can read a dictionary is irrelevant but keep banging your drum.

Your last comments on I should read an economics book is revealing. You see that’s just a childish and actually pathetic insult and back to your aggressive attitude on these forums. You have no idea who I am and not one clue as to my business interests.

I can assure you my economics understanding is just fine thank you.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"I thought this thread was about , should wedding confetti only be white..

It is. I am happy to discuss JSO embracing the ladies actions after the spoiled the wedding. Some 1 else brought up an incorrect assumption I have now clarified for them.

I am happy to go back to the original point.. ; so were we all in it together or not ???

So was austerity an e.u policy?"
. ; no

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

Reductions in borrowing is another method though it’s slightly harder to align the direct benefits.

( Again the government spends this year by borrowing, and pays of the debts accumulated through borrowing by taxes, redu ing borrowing reduces spending this year, this is austerity)

( Again increasing corp tax and personal tax is austerity.)

The Government of the U.K. has been totally in control of the method. The government of the U.K. decided austerity was their preferred option(what austerity measures do you think thenuk took?)

Any chance you could proof read your posts.....just a friendly suggestion.

Yes I am well aware of the dictionary and classical definitions of austerity.

But we are talking about what took place in the UK during the coalition government and the commonly understood definition of austerity that took place then.

But you are either incapable or unwilling to understand that.

Seems a common trait amongst Brexiteers.....

Any chance people could pick up an economics book.

Just a suggestion.

If everyone did that, we’d not have left the EU

Actually if every 1 did thaybbrexit would have been a no brained. But for many brexit wasn't just economics. As we all know.

There was no economic argument for leaving the EU. Even Farage admits that

Aaaah carrying on where fabtastic quit and making stuff up again.

I literally provided a link where Farage said leaving the EU would be economically ‘even stevens’

Had you have said it was even Stevens you might have had a point

What you wrote was

"There was no economic argument"

This is not what he said.

So again though we find ourselves asking

Is nigel now some one to be believed?

It's like schrodingers cat.

The other week you said nigel wasn't trustworthy, but now you're quoting him( incorrectly)

He never admitted brexit failed I am afraid.

You are misquoting.

And you've been told not to do this before.

Have you listened to the interview on BBC radio 4?

Or just read a partial quote?( which you've misquoted)

Now, is farage reliable source or not?

Did Farage say the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not? It’s really easy to research.

No he sid this

"Brexit has failed, We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

So he did in fact say ‘Brexit has failed’ then?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Now did he also say that Brexit would be ‘even stevens’ when referring to the economy?

Nope he did not.

Again the full quote

"Brexit has failed,We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

Again, he's discussing thr implementationatipn of brexit not being delivered.

I asked you if Farage said the words ‘Brexit has failed’ or not. You’ve admitted twice that he did.

Glad we agree.

So for you context of a sentence has no meaning.

So if some one asks." What do you think of Jimmy Saville ?"

And the reply is." He was great, as a TV presenter but a disgusting human being who kid fiddled"

All that matters is that the reply "he was great". That is the completion of the assessment?

Well atleast we know never to trust anything you quote.

You don’t believe what people say even when they provide you with proof Morley. What makes you think I give a toss what you think?

Don't you agree that context is important though?

Of course it is. But let’s not skirt over the importance of those words that Farage used.

If he could have produced a benefit brought by Brexit, he’d have rammed it home. Anything. He’d have been all over it.

But he’s got nothing - sure, he can blame the tories, but he’s got nothing other than that.

Brexit has failed. His words.

Parliament is to blame, not just the Tories.

The point Morley is trying to make is you've taken just 3 words and won't deviate or look at the whole. If context is important then we should be looking at the whole to gain that context.

You don't believe a word Farage says usually so why on those 3 words? Is there anything else you agree with him on?"
. ;, .... blaming Parliament rather than the tories is a Good diversion tactic , would that be the same parliament that has had a majority of Consetvative MPs since Brexit , ranging from a comfortable majority to magic money tree to DUP aided majority to an 80 seat majority , with every Tory candidate backing the oven ready deal to get Brexit done ? a similar diversionary tactic to blaming the EU for the Cameron / Osborne cuts , followed on this week by blaming the USA for choosing a different President thus stopping the UK getting the USA deal we were promised by the Conservative brexitiers ,,,,,,,, popping back to the op , although not being a fan of Osborne , if this was a protest I do not agree with this taking place at a wedding , politicians are public servants but do deserve a private life , and like I said earlier I did like the headline " both in this together"

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over a year ago

"Quick scan here and it all appears rather heated and somewhat personal. It is too late and the quote replies too long for me to pick through but when things get personal and abusive, posts can get removed, threads closed and Forum timeouts/bans issued. "

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"... followed on this week by blaming the USA for choosing a different President thus stopping the UK getting the USA deal we were promised by the Conservative brexitiers ..."

No one is blaming Americans for the president they chose. I mean, look at the options they had.

But it is reasonable to blame Biden for the complete lack of movement on a trade deal. We'll find out soon enough, as I doubt he'll get re-elected. When he goes, I would expect to see signs of a change in attitude from the US.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"If we are playing with words and your interpretation of such words, please confirm your choice below? The word has more than one meaning and it also has more than one interpretation.

sternness or severity of manner or attitude.

"he was noted for his austerity and his authoritarianism".

So is the government just being stern or

difficult economic conditions “created by government” measures to reduce public expenditure.

"the country was subjected to acute economic austerity"

So now we’ve established the concept of words varied meanings and interpretation .

I’d be interested to see any government minister publicly suggest tax havens being closed as a painful austerity measure to balance the UK’s deficit.

It doesn't matter whatbyhe public thinks.

What matters is the economic definitions, as the public in general are bot economists.

Whether you like it or not the economic definition of austerity was explained as tax increases and lower spending.

Your answer as to methods on how to reduce the deficit were austerity.

Just to be clear, like you don’t care what the public think, I don’t care what your interpretation of austerity is.

So you actually do need to care what people think as those people are in some cases politicians.

Have a nice weekend

Nothing aggressive just informing you that the exact ways out of the deficit you cited were austerity.

It'd not my fault you were not aware of that.

Try picking up an economics book.

I can assure you my economics understanding is just fine thank you. "

The revealing thing is that even given the exact definition of austerity.

You were advising austerity as a means of avoiding austerity.

Being more humble and admitting you were wrong would be a much better path to stride.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"... followed on this week by blaming the USA for choosing a different President thus stopping the UK getting the USA deal we were promised by the Conservative brexitiers ...

No one is blaming Americans for the president they chose. I mean, look at the options they had.

I'm not sure who promised the deal with the usa.

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By *luv2flirtCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

"If we are playing with words and your interpretation of such words, please confirm your choice below? The word has more than one meaning and it also has more than one interpretation.

sternness or severity of manner or attitude.

"he was noted for his austerity and his authoritarianism".

So is the government just being stern or

difficult economic conditions “created by government” measures to reduce public expenditure.

"the country was subjected to acute economic austerity"

So now we’ve established the concept of words varied meanings and interpretation .

I’d be interested to see any government minister publicly suggest tax havens being closed as a painful austerity measure to balance the UK’s deficit.

It doesn't matter whatbyhe public thinks.

What matters is the economic definitions, as the public in general are bot economists.

Whether you like it or not the economic definition of austerity was explained as tax increases and lower spending.

Your answer as to methods on how to reduce the deficit were austerity.

Just to be clear, like you don’t care what the public think, I don’t care what your interpretation of austerity is.

So you actually do need to care what people think as those people are in some cases politicians.

Have a nice weekend

Nothing aggressive just informing you that the exact ways out of the deficit you cited were austerity.

It'd not my fault you were not aware of that.

Try picking up an economics book.

I can assure you my economics understanding is just fine thank you.

The revealing thing is that even given the exact definition of austerity.

You were advising austerity as a means of avoiding austerity.

Being more humble and admitting you were wrong would be a much better path to stride."

If you are too fixated on your own interpretation then I can’t help you. Being pedantic over the word after it has clearly been explained to you how it is interpreted by the majority is just being obstinate. I was not advising anything I was explaining something which you refuse to acknowledge in case your point is shown to be wrong.

Crack on and nit pick until your dizzy. You’re just being stubborn and cannot admit I have a point. It’s your interpretation against everyone else’s ( The majority). I’ll say it again we don’t govern by the dictionary.

It’s a bit like the government calling all boat immigrants illegal for the last few years even though they know that most report on their arrival therefore making themselves legal by international law.

They have pushed through legislation to vilify immigrants in an attempt to appease the bigoted supporters they have in their ranks.

Again the interpretation of the term illegal immigrants was not correctly used. Do you agree with this interpretation?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"If we are playing with words and your interpretation of such words, please confirm your choice below? The word has more than one meaning and it also has more than one interpretation.

sternness or severity of manner or attitude.

"he was noted for his austerity and his authoritarianism".

So is the government just being stern or

difficult economic conditions “created by government” measures to reduce public expenditure.

"the country was subjected to acute economic austerity"

So now we’ve established the concept of words varied meanings and interpretation .

I’d be interested to see any government minister publicly suggest tax havens being closed as a painful austerity measure to balance the UK’s deficit.

It doesn't matter whatbyhe public thinks.

What matters is the economic definitions, as the public in general are bot economists.

Whether you like it or not the economic definition of austerity was explained as tax increases and lower spending.

Your answer as to methods on how to reduce the deficit were austerity.

Just to be clear, like you don’t care what the public think, I don’t care what your interpretation of austerity is.

So you actually do need to care what people think as those people are in some cases politicians.

Have a nice weekend

Nothing aggressive just informing you that the exact ways out of the deficit you cited were austerity.

It'd not my fault you were not aware of that.

Try picking up an economics book.

I can assure you my economics understanding is just fine thank you.

The revealing thing is that even given the exact definition of austerity.

You were advising austerity as a means of avoiding austerity.

Being more humble and admitting you were wrong would be a much better path to stride.

They have pushed through legislation to vilify immigrants in an attempt to appease the bigoted supporters they have in their ranks.

Again the interpretation of the term illegal immigrants was not correctly used. Do you agree with this interpretation?

Yes. I will crack on with the accepted definition of things in economics.

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By *luv2flirtCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

"If we are playing with words and your interpretation of such words, please confirm your choice below? The word has more than one meaning and it also has more than one interpretation.

sternness or severity of manner or attitude.

"he was noted for his austerity and his authoritarianism".

So is the government just being stern or

difficult economic conditions “created by government” measures to reduce public expenditure.

"the country was subjected to acute economic austerity"

So now we’ve established the concept of words varied meanings and interpretation .

I’d be interested to see any government minister publicly suggest tax havens being closed as a painful austerity measure to balance the UK’s deficit.

It doesn't matter whatbyhe public thinks.

What matters is the economic definitions, as the public in general are bot economists.

Whether you like it or not the economic definition of austerity was explained as tax increases and lower spending.

Your answer as to methods on how to reduce the deficit were austerity.

Just to be clear, like you don’t care what the public think, I don’t care what your interpretation of austerity is.

So you actually do need to care what people think as those people are in some cases politicians.

Have a nice weekend

Nothing aggressive just informing you that the exact ways out of the deficit you cited were austerity.

It'd not my fault you were not aware of that.

Try picking up an economics book.

I can assure you my economics understanding is just fine thank you.

The revealing thing is that even given the exact definition of austerity.

You were advising austerity as a means of avoiding austerity.

Being more humble and admitting you were wrong would be a much better path to stride.

They have pushed through legislation to vilify immigrants in an attempt to appease the bigoted supporters they have in their ranks.

Again the interpretation of the term illegal immigrants was not correctly used. Do you agree with this interpretation?

Yes. I will crack on with the accepted definition of things in economics."

Just for a little insight. Being married to a leading barrister for a few decades and witnessing many court proceedings I can confirm words can be interpreted in more than one way by the highest courts in the land. I just thought you would appreciate that information. It’s all in the context. I might be wrong here but I believe the courts still overrule a dictionary too. Given this government’s record I worry that the courts workings are being eroded so this may change.

I’ll leave that with you. ??

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"If we are playing with words and your interpretation of such words, please confirm your choice below? The word has more than one meaning and it also has more than one interpretation.

sternness or severity of manner or attitude.

"he was noted for his austerity and his authoritarianism".

So is the government just being stern or

difficult economic conditions “created by government” measures to reduce public expenditure.

"the country was subjected to acute economic austerity"

So now we’ve established the concept of words varied meanings and interpretation .

I’d be interested to see any government minister publicly suggest tax havens being closed as a painful austerity measure to balance the UK’s deficit.

It doesn't matter whatbyhe public thinks.

What matters is the economic definitions, as the public in general are bot economists.

Whether you like it or not the economic definition of austerity was explained as tax increases and lower spending.

Your answer as to methods on how to reduce the deficit were austerity.

Just to be clear, like you don’t care what the public think, I don’t care what your interpretation of austerity is.

So you actually do need to care what people think as those people are in some cases politicians.

Have a nice weekend

Nothing aggressive just informing you that the exact ways out of the deficit you cited were austerity.

It'd not my fault you were not aware of that.

Try picking up an economics book.

I can assure you my economics understanding is just fine thank you.

The revealing thing is that even given the exact definition of austerity.

You were advising austerity as a means of avoiding austerity.

Being more humble and admitting you were wrong would be a much better path to stride.

They have pushed through legislation to vilify immigrants in an attempt to appease the bigoted supporters they have in their ranks.

Again the interpretation of the term illegal immigrants was not correctly used. Do you agree with this interpretation?

Yes. I will crack on with the accepted definition of things in economics.

I’ll leave that with you. ??"

No. They do not re write economic definitions

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By *luv2flirtCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

"If we are playing with words and your interpretation of such words, please confirm your choice below? The word has more than one meaning and it also has more than one interpretation.

sternness or severity of manner or attitude.

"he was noted for his austerity and his authoritarianism".

So is the government just being stern or

difficult economic conditions “created by government” measures to reduce public expenditure.

"the country was subjected to acute economic austerity"

So now we’ve established the concept of words varied meanings and interpretation .

I’d be interested to see any government minister publicly suggest tax havens being closed as a painful austerity measure to balance the UK’s deficit.

It doesn't matter whatbyhe public thinks.

What matters is the economic definitions, as the public in general are bot economists.

Whether you like it or not the economic definition of austerity was explained as tax increases and lower spending.

Your answer as to methods on how to reduce the deficit were austerity.

Just to be clear, like you don’t care what the public think, I don’t care what your interpretation of austerity is.

So you actually do need to care what people think as those people are in some cases politicians.

Have a nice weekend

Nothing aggressive just informing you that the exact ways out of the deficit you cited were austerity.

It'd not my fault you were not aware of that.

Try picking up an economics book.

I can assure you my economics understanding is just fine thank you.

The revealing thing is that even given the exact definition of austerity.

You were advising austerity as a means of avoiding austerity.

Being more humble and admitting you were wrong would be a much better path to stride.

They have pushed through legislation to vilify immigrants in an attempt to appease the bigoted supporters they have in their ranks.

Again the interpretation of the term illegal immigrants was not correctly used. Do you agree with this interpretation?

Yes. I will crack on with the accepted definition of things in economics.

I’ll leave that with you. ??

No. They do not re write economic definitions "

I never said they did!

Do they interpret words in context or not? You’re crossing arguments around a dictionary again which is not the point being discussed .

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