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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible." Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?  | |||
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"From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam" How do we 'know' all this information? Which authoritative source are you getting it from? | |||
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"From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam How do we 'know' all this information? Which authoritative source are you getting it from?" I have read online from multiple sources including people that live in Nottingham that the above information is believed to be factual at the moment. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible." Yes, the standard process is. White person - mental health issues. Non-white person - terrorist Muslim & non-white - extremist terrorist. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Yes, the standard process is. White person - mental health issues. Non-white person - terrorist Muslim & non-white - extremist terrorist. " White person kills black person = "all white people are racist" Black person kills white person = "all white people are racist" | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Yes, the standard process is. White person - mental health issues. Non-white person - terrorist Muslim & non-white - extremist terrorist. White person kills black person = "all white people are racist" Black person kills white person = "all white people are racist"" Really? Are you racist ? | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Yes, the standard process is. White person - mental health issues. Non-white person - terrorist Muslim & non-white - extremist terrorist. White person kills black person = "all white people are racist" Black person kills white person = "all white people are racist"" Any more unsubstantiated nonsense you’d like to share? | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Yes, the standard process is. White person - mental health issues. Non-white person - terrorist Muslim & non-white - extremist terrorist. White person kills black person = "all white people are racist" Black person kills white person = "all white people are racist"" where have you seen these statements? You clearly have strong beliefs in this area... Imo where you hold syting views it's always worth investigating you have evidence to support them and if there's evidence to the contrary. Human bias is a bitch here. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Yes, the standard process is. White person - mental health issues. Non-white person - terrorist Muslim & non-white - extremist terrorist. " Any more unsubstantiated nonsense you’d like to share? | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Yes, the standard process is. White person - mental health issues. Non-white person - terrorist Muslim & non-white - extremist terrorist. White person kills black person = "all white people are racist" Black person kills white person = "all white people are racist"where have you seen these statements? You clearly have strong beliefs in this area... Imo where you hold syting views it's always worth investigating you have evidence to support them and if there's evidence to the contrary. Human bias is a bitch here. " What are "syting views"? And how do you know that I have "strong beliefs in this area". I've simply posited a position for response. I suggest you check your own prejudices. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Yes, the standard process is. White person - mental health issues. Non-white person - terrorist Muslim & non-white - extremist terrorist. White person kills black person = "all white people are racist" Black person kills white person = "all white people are racist" Really? Are you racist ? " Isn't every person who disagrees with you on any topic racist? I thought that's how the Left works. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Yes, the standard process is. White person - mental health issues. Non-white person - terrorist Muslim & non-white - extremist terrorist. White person kills black person = "all white people are racist" Black person kills white person = "all white people are racist" Really? Are you racist ? Isn't every person who disagrees with you on any topic racist? I thought that's how the Left works." Mate. You said “White person kills black person = "all white people are racist" Black person kills white person = "all white people are racist" And you want to call others out? | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Yes, the standard process is. White person - mental health issues. Non-white person - terrorist Muslim & non-white - extremist terrorist. White person kills black person = "all white people are racist" Black person kills white person = "all white people are racist" Really? Are you racist ? Isn't every person who disagrees with you on any topic racist? I thought that's how the Left works." No, I don’t know you, it was a question based on this thread. Are these horrific murders worse because they were committed by a black person | |||
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"No doubt it will turn out was known to authoritys, and was on a list of some sort, and just think he could be an engineer or doctor lol" Eh? | |||
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Pack mentality at its finest. | |||
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"Magnus made a ridiculous claim in from what I can tell a sarcastic tone to Johnny's claim and you both jump on him, yet ignore Johnny
Pack mentality at its finest. "Because what is said is a commentary on how the media and social media reacts to these things. The other person posted up the most ridiculous thing they could think of for reasons I can't guess at. | |||
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"Magnus made a ridiculous claim in from what I can tell a sarcastic tone to Johnny's claim and you both jump on him, yet ignore Johnny
Pack mentality at its finest. "Sums up this forum tbh   | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Yes, the standard process is. White person - mental health issues. Non-white person - terrorist Muslim & non-white - extremist terrorist. " Christ..... beam me up. | |||
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"Are all of the victims white? I have not seen that reported." No idea, 2 of them are , does it matter ? | |||
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"Magnus made a ridiculous claim in from what I can tell a sarcastic tone to Johnny's claim and you both jump on him, yet ignore Johnny
Pack mentality at its finest.
Because what is said is a commentary on how the media and social media reacts to these things.
The other person posted up the most ridiculous thing they could think of for reasons I can't guess at."Are you sure? Because they've gone with a black person who has mental health issues and no links to terrorism. That's the opposite of what you said. As I said, those 2 chose to engage in pack mentality against someone who they dislike and left your comment alone, both comments were as ridiculous as the other. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Yes, the standard process is. White person - mental health issues. Non-white person - terrorist Muslim & non-white - extremist terrorist. White person kills black person = "all white people are racist" Black person kills white person = "all white people are racist" Really? Are you racist ? Isn't every person who disagrees with you on any topic racist? I thought that's how the Left works. No, I don’t know you, it was a question based on this thread. Are these horrific murders worse because they were committed by a black person "Have I claimed anywhere that the murders are more horrific because they were committed by a black person? Far be it for me to suggest that you can't read. | |||
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"Are all of the victims white? I have not seen that reported. No idea, 2 of them are , does it matter ? "It’s been confirmed, all 3 victims were white . | |||
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"Magnus made a ridiculous claim in from what I can tell a sarcastic tone to Johnny's claim and you both jump on him, yet ignore Johnny
Pack mentality at its finest.
Because what is said is a commentary on how the media and social media reacts to these things.
The other person posted up the most ridiculous thing they could think of for reasons I can't guess at.
Are you sure? Because they've gone with a black person who has mental health issues and no links to terrorism.
That's the opposite of what you said.
As I said, those 2 chose to engage in pack mentality against someone who they dislike and left your comment alone, both comments were as ridiculous as the other."I was referring to their post implying all white people are "racist" no matter what. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Yes, the standard process is. White person - mental health issues. Non-white person - terrorist Muslim & non-white - extremist terrorist. White person kills black person = "all white people are racist" Black person kills white person = "all white people are racist" Really? Are you racist ? Isn't every person who disagrees with you on any topic racist? I thought that's how the Left works. No, I don’t know you, it was a question based on this thread. Are these horrific murders worse because they were committed by a black person
Have I claimed anywhere that the murders are more horrific because they were committed by a black person?
Far be it from me to suggest that you can't read."I was asking a question based on your OP, | |||
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"Are all of the victims white? I have not seen that reported. No idea, 2 of them are , does it matter ? "It would appear so, at least on this thread. Do you know that as a fact, or just making assumptions? The surname 'Kumar' would suggest Asian hertitage perhaps. Nish Kumar has very strong views on the subject. | |||
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"Magnus made a ridiculous claim in from what I can tell a sarcastic tone to Johnny's claim and you both jump on him, yet ignore Johnny
Pack mentality at its finest.
Because what is said is a commentary on how the media and social media reacts to these things.
The other person posted up the most ridiculous thing they could think of for reasons I can't guess at.
Are you sure? Because they've gone with a black person who has mental health issues and no links to terrorism.
That's the opposite of what you said.
As I said, those 2 chose to engage in pack mentality against someone who they dislike and left your comment alone, both comments were as ridiculous as the other.
I was referring to their post implying all white people are "racist" no matter what. "Which was in response to your comment. I'm sure you don't need me to quote it for you. | |||
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"Are all of the victims white? I have not seen that reported. No idea, 2 of them are , does it matter ?
It would appear so, at least on this thread.
Do you know that as a fact, or just making assumptions?
The surname 'Kumar' would suggest Asian hertitage perhaps. Nish Kumar has very strong views on the subject."True, my mistake, I don’t know the ethnicity of the woman killed, I did make an assumption , I still don’t know why it is relevant | |||
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"Magnus made a ridiculous claim in from what I can tell a sarcastic tone to Johnny's claim and you both jump on him, yet ignore Johnny
Pack mentality at its finest.
Because what is said is a commentary on how the media and social media reacts to these things.
The other person posted up the most ridiculous thing they could think of for reasons I can't guess at.
Are you sure? Because they've gone with a black person who has mental health issues and no links to terrorism.
That's the opposite of what you said.
As I said, those 2 chose to engage in pack mentality against someone who they dislike and left your comment alone, both comments were as ridiculous as the other.
I was referring to their post implying all white people are "racist" no matter what.
Which was in response to your comment. I'm sure you don't need me to quote it for you."Mmhmm It was the most ridiculous comment. | |||
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"Magnus made a ridiculous claim in from what I can tell a sarcastic tone to Johnny's claim and you both jump on him, yet ignore Johnny
Pack mentality at its finest.
Because what is said is a commentary on how the media and social media reacts to these things.
The other person posted up the most ridiculous thing they could think of for reasons I can't guess at.
Are you sure? Because they've gone with a black person who has mental health issues and no links to terrorism.
That's the opposite of what you said.
As I said, those 2 chose to engage in pack mentality against someone who they dislike and left your comment alone, both comments were as ridiculous as the other.
I was referring to their post implying all white people are "racist" no matter what.
Which was in response to your comment. I'm sure you don't need me to quote it for you.
Mmhmm
It was the most ridiculous comment. "Haha comedy gold! | |||
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"Magnus made a ridiculous claim in from what I can tell a sarcastic tone to Johnny's claim and you both jump on him, yet ignore Johnny
Pack mentality at its finest.
Because what is said is a commentary on how the media and social media reacts to these things.
The other person posted up the most ridiculous thing they could think of for reasons I can't guess at.
Are you sure? Because they've gone with a black person who has mental health issues and no links to terrorism.
That's the opposite of what you said.
As I said, those 2 chose to engage in pack mentality against someone who they dislike and left your comment alone, both comments were as ridiculous as the other.
I was referring to their post implying all white people are "racist" no matter what.
Which was in response to your comment. I'm sure you don't need me to quote it for you.
Mmhmm
It was the most ridiculous comment. "Are you denying he made that comment in response to your own ridiculous comment? | |||
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"Are all of the victims white? I have not seen that reported. No idea, 2 of them are , does it matter ? "Apparently so for many people who quote stats | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Yes, the standard process is. White person - mental health issues. Non-white person - terrorist Muslim & non-white - extremist terrorist. White person kills black person = "all white people are racist" Black person kills white person = "all white people are racist"where have you seen these statements? You clearly have strong beliefs in this area... Imo where you hold syting views it's always worth investigating you have evidence to support them and if there's evidence to the contrary. Human bias is a bitch here. What are "syting views"? And how do you know that I have "strong beliefs in this area". I've simply posited a position for response. I suggest you check your own prejudices." if I have misunderstood your views, then I'm sorry. I didn't pick up a sarcastic tone and took your ridiculous statements as being your beliefs. Poe's law maybe ? My bias is that I take things in face value unless there is indication otherwise. I also realise I may be accused of not being clear with my posts as intend to be slightly OTT at times. What are your views on all this? | |||
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" Its a shame that they don't get their finger out put an end to it and block the channel to all but legal crossings. " It’s not illegal to cross the channel and claim asylum. | |||
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"No doubt it will turn out was known to authoritys, and was on a list of some sort, and just think he could be an engineer or doctor lol" apparently he was and a low level drug dealer what ever that means | |||
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" Its a shame that they don't get their finger out put an end to it and block the channel to all but legal crossings. It’s not illegal to cross the channel and claim asylum. " yep but it should be why we don't just turn them around and send them back | |||
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" Its a shame that they don't get their finger out put an end to it and block the channel to all but legal crossings. It’s not illegal to cross the channel and claim asylum. yep but it should be why we don't just turn them around and send them back " Because there are international laws to consider. It’s a very complex situation, human trafficking, refugees, asylum seekers (who may very well be granted legal asylum) - myriad permeations. | |||
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"DRUGS..DRUGS…DRUGS… in every case similar to this the scum bag has found to be a drug user, WITHOUT FAIL. We need a zero tolerance of these filthy, destructive mental crutches in society " The war on drugs was lost decades ago. It’s time to have a grown up conversation about decriminalisation/legalisation of some (not all) drugs. | |||
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" Its a shame that they don't get their finger out put an end to it and block the channel to all but legal crossings. It’s not illegal to cross the channel and claim asylum. yep but it should be why we don't just turn them around and send them back Because there are international laws to consider. It’s a very complex situation, human trafficking, refugees, asylum seekers (who may very well be granted legal asylum) - myriad permeations. " yes I know but fuck international laws of there harming a country it doesn't help I agree we should have people in France dealing with it but we can't control are borders if we have to pussy foot around I for one would be happy to give them a chance turn back or see how far they can swim yeah yeah im racist and no empathy who cares it has to stop | |||
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" Its a shame that they don't get their finger out put an end to it and block the channel to all but legal crossings. It’s not illegal to cross the channel and claim asylum. yep but it should be why we don't just turn them around and send them back Because there are international laws to consider. It’s a very complex situation, human trafficking, refugees, asylum seekers (who may very well be granted legal asylum) - myriad permeations. yes I know but fuck international laws of there harming a country it doesn't help I agree we should have people in France dealing with it but we can't control are borders if we have to pussy foot around I for one would be happy to give them a chance turn back or see how far they can swim yeah yeah im racist and no empathy who cares it has to stop " Well at least you’re honest.  | |||
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" Its a shame that they don't get their finger out put an end to it and block the channel to all but legal crossings. It’s not illegal to cross the channel and claim asylum. yep but it should be why we don't just turn them around and send them back Because there are international laws to consider. It’s a very complex situation, human trafficking, refugees, asylum seekers (who may very well be granted legal asylum) - myriad permeations. yes I know but fuck international laws of there harming a country it doesn't help I agree we should have people in France dealing with it but we can't control are borders if we have to pussy foot around I for one would be happy to give them a chance turn back or see how far they can swim yeah yeah im racist and no empathy who cares it has to stop Well at least you’re honest. "always might not like it but always say what I think no sugar coating like I say we should have places abroad for them to go apply for asylum but we don't but doesn't mean it's ok to come across they deserve what ever happens they were safe in France I bet those near Greece wished they'd stayed now. | |||
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" Its a shame that they don't get their finger out put an end to it and block the channel to all but legal crossings. It’s not illegal to cross the channel and claim asylum. yep but it should be why we don't just turn them around and send them back Because there are international laws to consider. It’s a very complex situation, human trafficking, refugees, asylum seekers (who may very well be granted legal asylum) - myriad permeations. yes I know but fuck international laws of there harming a country it doesn't help I agree we should have people in France dealing with it but we can't control are borders if we have to pussy foot around I for one would be happy to give them a chance turn back or see how far they can swim yeah yeah im racist and no empathy who cares it has to stop Well at least you’re honest. always might not like it but always say what I think no sugar coating like I say we should have places abroad for them to go apply for asylum but we don't but doesn't mean it's ok to come across they deserve what ever happens they were safe in France I bet those near Greece wished they'd stayed now."European nations (and particularly southern Europe) take in *far* more immigrants than the UK. It’s ironic that Brexit actually has the opposite effect to that desires for boat crossings. And as for they ‘deserve whatever happens’ - I shall treat that remark with the contempt it deserves. I’m sure you’ve not forgotten the young refugee lad Alan Kurdi who drowned in the med - did he ‘deserve’ what happened to him? | |||
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" Its a shame that they don't get their finger out put an end to it and block the channel to all but legal crossings. It’s not illegal to cross the channel and claim asylum. yep but it should be why we don't just turn them around and send them back Because there are international laws to consider. It’s a very complex situation, human trafficking, refugees, asylum seekers (who may very well be granted legal asylum) - myriad permeations. yes I know but fuck international laws of there harming a country it doesn't help I agree we should have people in France dealing with it but we can't control are borders if we have to pussy foot around I for one would be happy to give them a chance turn back or see how far they can swim yeah yeah im racist and no empathy who cares it has to stop " And people say that the anti-immigrant propaganda doesn't exist, or doesn't work. | |||
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" Its a shame that they don't get their finger out put an end to it and block the channel to all but legal crossings. It’s not illegal to cross the channel and claim asylum. yep but it should be why we don't just turn them around and send them back Because there are international laws to consider. It’s a very complex situation, human trafficking, refugees, asylum seekers (who may very well be granted legal asylum) - myriad permeations. yes I know but fuck international laws of there harming a country it doesn't help I agree we should have people in France dealing with it but we can't control are borders if we have to pussy foot around I for one would be happy to give them a chance turn back or see how far they can swim yeah yeah im racist and no empathy who cares it has to stop And people say that the anti-immigrant propaganda doesn't exist, or doesn't work. "and as you can see people are going to kill people by any means. You going to ban knives and vans now? Some people don't follow laws now do they ? | |||
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"I'm using the DM as a source here but they are saying he doesn't seem to be a refugee. He has been in the UK for at least 13 years. He could have been here more than he's been in Mali And while he's known to police, he has no record. He's understood to have MH issues which is vague. But possibly implies more than just a hindsight view. " On the BBC their initial report described him as a migrant but have now changed to ' he is not a British citizen but has settled status'. That sounds like he came here as a migrant originally. Not sure if a certain amount of years living here changes the status and if so, how many years it takes. | |||
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties " Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will. | |||
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will." Well the liberal immigration policies that the UK has been pursuing over the last five decades seem to have worked out pretty fascistically for these three victims. Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields. | |||
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will. Well the liberal immigration policies that the UK has been pursuing over the last five decades seem to have worked out pretty fascistically for these three victims. Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields." The answer to a crime in which people have been murdered is not to clamp down on society as a whole and remove civil liberties. | |||
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will. Well the liberal immigration policies that the UK has been pursuing over the last five decades seem to have worked out pretty fascistically for these three victims. Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields." Facism leads to death camps. So what is your point? That extremism of left and right politics is bad? Absolutely it is. I don’t think anyone far left or far right has anything to crow about do you? Also in Nottingham a few months back a black woman and her kids were killed. By a white British man. Little, if any, news was made of ethnicity in that case. It was a horrific murder. This latest 3x murder is equally horrific and a tragedy. My understanding is the man that did this has been in the UK for 12 years (is that right?) | |||
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will. Well the liberal immigration policies that the UK has been pursuing over the last five decades seem to have worked out pretty fascistically for these three victims. Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields." You've one upped yourself in the competition to post the most outlandish bizarre comments. I didn't think you could do it. Fair play to you. | |||
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" Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields." Just out of interest, could you tell us which socialist you’re referring to here? Because it’s obviously not the U.K, that would be a really stupid thing to claim, wouldn’t it? | |||
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will. Well the liberal immigration policies that the UK has been pursuing over the last five decades seem to have worked out pretty fascistically for these three victims. Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields. Facism leads to death camps. So what is your point? That extremism of left and right politics is bad? Absolutely it is. I don’t think anyone far left or far right has anything to crow about do you? Also in Nottingham a few months back a black woman and her kids were killed. By a white British man. Little, if any, news was made of ethnicity in that case. It was a horrific murder. This latest 3x murder is equally horrific and a tragedy. My understanding is the man that did this has been in the UK for 12 years (is that right?)" The man in custody has "settled status", but is not a UK citizen. | |||
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will. Well the liberal immigration policies that the UK has been pursuing over the last five decades seem to have worked out pretty fascistically for these three victims. Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields. Facism leads to death camps. So what is your point? That extremism of left and right politics is bad? Absolutely it is. I don’t think anyone far left or far right has anything to crow about do you? Also in Nottingham a few months back a black woman and her kids were killed. By a white British man. Little, if any, news was made of ethnicity in that case. It was a horrific murder. This latest 3x murder is equally horrific and a tragedy. My understanding is the man that did this has been in the UK for 12 years (is that right?) The man in custody has "settled status", but is not a UK citizen." Ok thanks. (Not aimed at you) so does that change anything? Does it matter? Is a murderer better or worse if they are British? White? | |||
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" Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields. Just out of interest, could you tell us which socialist you’re referring to here? Because it’s obviously not the U.K, that would be a really stupid thing to claim, wouldn’t it?" Judging by the “killing fields” comment probably referring to Khmer Rouge who were communist not socialist in Cambodia. If he had said gulag then maybe Stalinist (communist again) Soviet Union. | |||
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will. Well the liberal immigration policies that the UK has been pursuing over the last five decades seem to have worked out pretty fascistically for these three victims. Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields. You've one upped yourself in the competition to post the most outlandish bizarre comments. I didn't think you could do it. Fair play to you. " Appears to be under the impression the UK has had a socialist government for 50 years? | |||
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will. Well the liberal immigration policies that the UK has been pursuing over the last five decades seem to have worked out pretty fascistically for these three victims. Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields. Facism leads to death camps. So what is your point? That extremism of left and right politics is bad? Absolutely it is. I don’t think anyone far left or far right has anything to crow about do you? Also in Nottingham a few months back a black woman and her kids were killed. By a white British man. Little, if any, news was made of ethnicity in that case. It was a horrific murder. This latest 3x murder is equally horrific and a tragedy. My understanding is the man that did this has been in the UK for 12 years (is that right?) The man in custody has "settled status", but is not a UK citizen. Ok thanks. (Not aimed at you) so does that change anything? Does it matter? Is a murderer better or worse if they are British? White?" It matters because certain elements are desperate for the murderer to be foreign so they can push their anti-immigrant rhetoric. Which seems popular amongst the electorate. | |||
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will. Well the liberal immigration policies that the UK has been pursuing over the last five decades seem to have worked out pretty fascistically for these three victims. Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields. Facism leads to death camps. So what is your point? That extremism of left and right politics is bad? Absolutely it is. I don’t think anyone far left or far right has anything to crow about do you? Also in Nottingham a few months back a black woman and her kids were killed. By a white British man. Little, if any, news was made of ethnicity in that case. It was a horrific murder. This latest 3x murder is equally horrific and a tragedy. My understanding is the man that did this has been in the UK for 12 years (is that right?) The man in custody has "settled status", but is not a UK citizen. Ok thanks. (Not aimed at you) so does that change anything? Does it matter? Is a murderer better or worse if they are British? White? It matters because certain elements are desperate for the murderer to be foreign so they can push their anti-immigrant rhetoric. Which seems popular amongst the electorate." There will be data somewhere that breaks down crime stats by ethnicity and citizens v settled v immigrants/new arrivals. It would be interesting to see the proportionality to see if crime is higher/lower in different demographics. | |||
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will. Well the liberal immigration policies that the UK has been pursuing over the last five decades seem to have worked out pretty fascistically for these three victims. Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields. Facism leads to death camps. So what is your point? That extremism of left and right politics is bad? Absolutely it is. I don’t think anyone far left or far right has anything to crow about do you? Also in Nottingham a few months back a black woman and her kids were killed. By a white British man. Little, if any, news was made of ethnicity in that case. It was a horrific murder. This latest 3x murder is equally horrific and a tragedy. My understanding is the man that did this has been in the UK for 12 years (is that right?) The man in custody has "settled status", but is not a UK citizen. Ok thanks. (Not aimed at you) so does that change anything? Does it matter? Is a murderer better or worse if they are British? White? It matters because certain elements are desperate for the murderer to be foreign so they can push their anti-immigrant rhetoric. Which seems popular amongst the electorate. There will be data somewhere that breaks down crime stats by ethnicity and citizens v settled v immigrants/new arrivals. It would be interesting to see the proportionality to see if crime is higher/lower in different demographics." It would be interesting to see, but if it doesn’t align with one’s own personal bias, it wouldn’t mean anything. As an example, most child sex-offenders (by far) are middle aged white males, but the usual sorts (looking at you, Yaxley-Lennon) only moan when someone of asian or Middle Eastern heritage is guilty. | |||
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will. Well the liberal immigration policies that the UK has been pursuing over the last five decades seem to have worked out pretty fascistically for these three victims. Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields. Facism leads to death camps. So what is your point? That extremism of left and right politics is bad? Absolutely it is. I don’t think anyone far left or far right has anything to crow about do you? Also in Nottingham a few months back a black woman and her kids were killed. By a white British man. Little, if any, news was made of ethnicity in that case. It was a horrific murder. This latest 3x murder is equally horrific and a tragedy. My understanding is the man that did this has been in the UK for 12 years (is that right?) The man in custody has "settled status", but is not a UK citizen. Ok thanks. (Not aimed at you) so does that change anything? Does it matter? Is a murderer better or worse if they are British? White? It matters because certain elements are desperate for the murderer to be foreign so they can push their anti-immigrant rhetoric. Which seems popular amongst the electorate. There will be data somewhere that breaks down crime stats by ethnicity and citizens v settled v immigrants/new arrivals. It would be interesting to see the proportionality to see if crime is higher/lower in different demographics. It would be interesting to see, but if it doesn’t align with one’s own personal bias, it wouldn’t mean anything. As an example, most child sex-offenders (by far) are middle aged white males, but the usual sorts (looking at you, Yaxley-Lennon) only moan when someone of asian or Middle Eastern heritage is guilty." The stats on that in regards to victims knowing their offenders are similar to the stats on murder. Most victims are abused by someone they know. And yes, most offenders are overwhelmingly white men. The argument here is that they tend to be 'sole perpetrators' vs 'grooming gangs' | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ? "Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will. Well the liberal immigration policies that the UK has been pursuing over the last five decades seem to have worked out pretty fascistically for these three victims. Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields. Facism leads to death camps. So what is your point? That extremism of left and right politics is bad? Absolutely it is. I don’t think anyone far left or far right has anything to crow about do you? Also in Nottingham a few months back a black woman and her kids were killed. By a white British man. Little, if any, news was made of ethnicity in that case. It was a horrific murder. This latest 3x murder is equally horrific and a tragedy. My understanding is the man that did this has been in the UK for 12 years (is that right?) The man in custody has "settled status", but is not a UK citizen. Ok thanks. (Not aimed at you) so does that change anything? Does it matter? Is a murderer better or worse if they are British? White?" The person that did this is a cowardly murderer, nothing more and nothing less. His heritage and skin colour is irrelevant. Knowing Nottingham well, the city is well tolerant of anyone that behaves like a civilised human being. Nottingham will grieve but it will never forget. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable "They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is. | |||
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will. Well the liberal immigration policies that the UK has been pursuing over the last five decades seem to have worked out pretty fascistically for these three victims. Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields. Facism leads to death camps. So what is your point? That extremism of left and right politics is bad? Absolutely it is. I don’t think anyone far left or far right has anything to crow about do you? Also in Nottingham a few months back a black woman and her kids were killed. By a white British man. Little, if any, news was made of ethnicity in that case. It was a horrific murder. This latest 3x murder is equally horrific and a tragedy. My understanding is the man that did this has been in the UK for 12 years (is that right?) The man in custody has "settled status", but is not a UK citizen. Ok thanks. (Not aimed at you) so does that change anything? Does it matter? Is a murderer better or worse if they are British? White? The person that did this is a cowardly murderer, nothing more and nothing less. His heritage and skin colour is irrelevant. Knowing Nottingham well, the city is well tolerant of anyone that behaves like a civilised human being. Nottingham will grieve but it will never forget." His skin colour is irrelevant his heritage isn't though, he shouldn't have been here, as a country we failed to protect our borders and failed to protect our citizens. | |||
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"The UK lets in so many criminals, drug dealers and killers from Africa, Eastern Europe, Russia etc. I think far more than those countries themselves and it’s much easier to fake asylum In uk than any country in the world. There’s a whole industry overseas and in the uk to help filling in the forms, say the right things etc, ti get asylum, housing and benefits and many are even legitimate agencies/charities funded by you lot. it’s a bit late to do anything now, best chance you have is vote for governments that will pour massive amounts of money in law enforcement and the dismantling of civil liberties Germany, Spain, Turkey and France all take in more migrants than the U.K. Italy as well - though I found conflicting reports on that one. Not sure if you’re serious with your final paragraph, because I find the idea of someone seriously suggesting we fund the dismantling of civil liberties to be a bit backwards. Draconian. Fascist, if you will. Well the liberal immigration policies that the UK has been pursuing over the last five decades seem to have worked out pretty fascistically for these three victims. Socialism always starts with the best of intentions, and always ends in the killing fields. Facism leads to death camps. So what is your point? That extremism of left and right politics is bad? Absolutely it is. I don’t think anyone far left or far right has anything to crow about do you? Also in Nottingham a few months back a black woman and her kids were killed. By a white British man. Little, if any, news was made of ethnicity in that case. It was a horrific murder. This latest 3x murder is equally horrific and a tragedy. My understanding is the man that did this has been in the UK for 12 years (is that right?) The man in custody has "settled status", but is not a UK citizen. Ok thanks. (Not aimed at you) so does that change anything? Does it matter? Is a murderer better or worse if they are British? White? The person that did this is a cowardly murderer, nothing more and nothing less. His heritage and skin colour is irrelevant. Knowing Nottingham well, the city is well tolerant of anyone that behaves like a civilised human being. Nottingham will grieve but it will never forget. His skin colour is irrelevant his heritage isn't though, he shouldn't have been here, as a country we failed to protect our borders and failed to protect our citizens." He had settled status. He was allowed to be here. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is."afaik he wasn't a violent criminal 12 years ago. Probably shouldnt let tourists in either. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is."All tragedies are avoidable, every single one | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
All tragedies are avoidable, every single one "How would those poor souls have avoided that tragedy? Stayed at home on that day? | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is."Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later? | |||
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"People may regard anti immigration as racist, but these migrants have traveled through what are safe countries to get here, and with 6-7 million a day spent on hotels and god knows how much government time taken up processing them and their appeals and demands for better accommodation (would they rather go back to the tent in Sangatte), meanwhile the tax payer waits to see a doctor and calling the police...........well pointless. The Home secretary is now saying they cant clear the back log in claims, so isn't it high time as island we closed our doors until further notice and spent the 6-7 million on the nhs and police resources. " There is no requirement to stop in any ‘safe county’ If something happened in the U.K and I had to flee with my kids, I’d take them somewhere where we knew people. Family or friends. We have family in Tasmania - so I would head to Tasmania. Legal or not. | |||
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"People may regard anti immigration as racist, but these migrants have traveled through what are safe countries to get here, and with 6-7 million a day spent on hotels and god knows how much government time taken up processing them and their appeals and demands for better accommodation (would they rather go back to the tent in Sangatte), meanwhile the tax payer waits to see a doctor and calling the police...........well pointless. The Home secretary is now saying they cant clear the back log in claims, so isn't it high time as island we closed our doors until further notice and spent the 6-7 million on the nhs and police resources. " waw this guy a refugee? did he do any of this ? | |||
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"People may regard anti immigration as racist, but these migrants have traveled through what are safe countries to get here, and with 6-7 million a day spent on hotels and god knows how much government time taken up processing them and their appeals and demands for better accommodation (would they rather go back to the tent in Sangatte), meanwhile the tax payer waits to see a doctor and calling the police...........well pointless. The Home secretary is now saying they cant clear the back log in claims, so isn't it high time as island we closed our doors until further notice and spent the 6-7 million on the nhs and police resources. waw this guy a refugee? did he do any of this ? " Who cares? Let’s just judge all migrants the same, eh? | |||
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"People may regard anti immigration as racist, but these migrants have traveled through what are safe countries to get here, and with 6-7 million a day spent on hotels and god knows how much government time taken up processing them and their appeals and demands for better accommodation (would they rather go back to the tent in Sangatte), meanwhile the tax payer waits to see a doctor and calling the police...........well pointless. The Home secretary is now saying they cant clear the back log in claims, so isn't it high time as island we closed our doors until further notice and spent the 6-7 million on the nhs and police resources. " Or, instead of that, we could process these people more quickly and get them paying taxes and contributing. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?"How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it."An immigrant doctor saved my friends fathers life | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it."Better bring back all the expats then. Fair’s fair. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it."A very simplistic argument here, but... ...Huntley, Pitchfork (due to be released shortly, apparently), Couzens (police, no less!!), West, Nilsen, Tobin - shall I go on? All "good, solid English people", on the face of it, and there's quite a few more... | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it."so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions ! And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it."Do you know in which era British people were most likely to be killed by a terror attack? In the 1970’s (for obvious reasons) Don’t play ‘all immigrants’ - it’s disgusting. | |||
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"We Brits are a mongrel race. Nothing to be ashamed of - were made up of all sorts. That’s because of immigration (and indeed emigration). We’re a wonderful melting pot and long may it continue. Yes, unfortunately some have bad intentions and seek to harm, but that’s the same as in any country. Some danger imported, most homegrown. It is what it is. " we brits im sure yesterday you was European | |||
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"We Brits are a mongrel race. Nothing to be ashamed of - were made up of all sorts. That’s because of immigration (and indeed emigration). We’re a wonderful melting pot and long may it continue. Yes, unfortunately some have bad intentions and seek to harm, but that’s the same as in any country. Some danger imported, most homegrown. It is what it is. we brits im sure yesterday you was European "I was born in Britain, I have a European identity. Fancy contesting my point? | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.
An immigrant doctor saved my friends fathers life "An immigrant doctor sexually assaulted my friend, what's your point? | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution. "Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else? | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
All tragedies are avoidable, every single one "This is untrue, semantics and thoughtless. Random acts of violence are not alway 100% avoidable and lead often to tragedy. Would you have the confidence in your statement to say this to the families of those who lost their lives to this tragedy? | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution.
Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else? "they do. And as the current system is broken (because people won't bite the bullet on state ages) it's going to continue to not ever balance.... However pull immigration and it wobnleles today and breaks a lot quicker. There been studies that show the average migrant contributes more than the average brit irrc. Will have a dig later. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution.
Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else? "I’ve not seen any data since we left the EU, but EU migrants paid more into the system than they took out - but virtually of generally being young, working, not using the NHS to any great degree etc. I’ve not seen data on non-eu migration but I’d expect it to be similar. We need immigration in the U.K. we have an ageing population and a healthcare crisis. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution.
Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else?
I’ve not seen any data since we left the EU, but EU migrants paid more into the system than they took out - but virtually of generally being young, working, not using the NHS to any great degree etc. I’ve not seen data on non-eu migration but I’d expect it to be similar.
We need immigration in the U.K. we have an ageing population and a healthcare crisis. "I've seen it eu migration brings in 3.7bn non eu costs us 9bn so roughly 5.5bn cost to us as tax payers, but to be honest 5.5bn to help people is a bargain, ruining our country isn't worth it though. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
All tragedies are avoidable, every single one
This is untrue, semantics and thoughtless.
Random acts of violence are not alway 100% avoidable and lead often to tragedy.
Would you have the confidence in your statement to say this to the families of those who lost their lives to this tragedy? "My reply was in response to the poster who stated that this tragedy was avoidable because the perpetrator was an immigrant . Using their logic every tragic event is avoidable, for example, it wouldn’t have happened if the perpetrators father had never met his mother etc etc etc | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution.
Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else?
I’ve not seen any data since we left the EU, but EU migrants paid more into the system than they took out - but virtually of generally being young, working, not using the NHS to any great degree etc. I’ve not seen data on non-eu migration but I’d expect it to be similar.
We need immigration in the U.K. we have an ageing population and a healthcare crisis.
I've seen it eu migration brings in 3.7bn non eu costs us 9bn so roughly 5.5bn cost to us as tax payers, but to be honest 5.5bn to help people is a bargain, ruining our country isn't worth it though."I'm not follow your last sentence. Are you saying that bargain isn't worth it when you factor in ruining the country. If it's a bargain, it's bringing lots of good things in. Presumably you are happy writing those good things off? | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution.
Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else?
I’ve not seen any data since we left the EU, but EU migrants paid more into the system than they took out - but virtually of generally being young, working, not using the NHS to any great degree etc. I’ve not seen data on non-eu migration but I’d expect it to be similar.
We need immigration in the U.K. we have an ageing population and a healthcare crisis.
I've seen it eu migration brings in 3.7bn non eu costs us 9bn so roughly 5.5bn cost to us as tax payers, but to be honest 5.5bn to help people is a bargain, ruining our country isn't worth it though.I'm not follow your last sentence. Are you saying that bargain isn't worth it when you factor in ruining the country.
If it's a bargain, it's bringing lots of good things in. Presumably you are happy writing those good things off?
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Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution.
Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else?
I’ve not seen any data since we left the EU, but EU migrants paid more into the system than they took out - but virtually of generally being young, working, not using the NHS to any great degree etc. I’ve not seen data on non-eu migration but I’d expect it to be similar.
We need immigration in the U.K. we have an ageing population and a healthcare crisis.
I've seen it eu migration brings in 3.7bn non eu costs us 9bn so roughly 5.5bn cost to us as tax payers, but to be honest 5.5bn to help people is a bargain, ruining our country isn't worth it though."Ruining our country by working in the NHS and other essential services, you mean? | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution.
Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else?
I’ve not seen any data since we left the EU, but EU migrants paid more into the system than they took out - but virtually of generally being young, working, not using the NHS to any great degree etc. I’ve not seen data on non-eu migration but I’d expect it to be similar.
We need immigration in the U.K. we have an ageing population and a healthcare crisis.
I've seen it eu migration brings in 3.7bn non eu costs us 9bn so roughly 5.5bn cost to us as tax payers, but to be honest 5.5bn to help people is a bargain, ruining our country isn't worth it though.
Ruining our country by working in the NHS and other essential services, you mean? "Ah yes "Our NHS". Simply mention it and the argument is closed. Everybody kneel and worship at the altar! | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution.
Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else?
I’ve not seen any data since we left the EU, but EU migrants paid more into the system than they took out - but virtually of generally being young, working, not using the NHS to any great degree etc. I’ve not seen data on non-eu migration but I’d expect it to be similar.
We need immigration in the U.K. we have an ageing population and a healthcare crisis.
I've seen it eu migration brings in 3.7bn non eu costs us 9bn so roughly 5.5bn cost to us as tax payers, but to be honest 5.5bn to help people is a bargain, ruining our country isn't worth it though.I'm not follow your last sentence. Are you saying that bargain isn't worth it when you factor in ruining the country.
If it's a bargain, it's bringing lots of good things in. Presumably you are happy writing those good things off?
Ah yes, a few dead people is worth all the cultural enrichment."Definitely | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution.
Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else?
I’ve not seen any data since we left the EU, but EU migrants paid more into the system than they took out - but virtually of generally being young, working, not using the NHS to any great degree etc. I’ve not seen data on non-eu migration but I’d expect it to be similar.
We need immigration in the U.K. we have an ageing population and a healthcare crisis.
I've seen it eu migration brings in 3.7bn non eu costs us 9bn so roughly 5.5bn cost to us as tax payers, but to be honest 5.5bn to help people is a bargain, ruining our country isn't worth it though.
Ruining our country by working in the NHS and other essential services, you mean?
Ah yes "Our NHS". Simply mention it and the argument is closed. Everybody kneel and worship at the altar!"You’re going off topic now, but the NHS is something to be proud of, is it not? Healthcare free at the point of delivery for all - that’s a great thing, no? | |||
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Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution.
Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else?
I’ve not seen any data since we left the EU, but EU migrants paid more into the system than they took out - but virtually of generally being young, working, not using the NHS to any great degree etc. I’ve not seen data on non-eu migration but I’d expect it to be similar.
We need immigration in the U.K. we have an ageing population and a healthcare crisis.
I've seen it eu migration brings in 3.7bn non eu costs us 9bn so roughly 5.5bn cost to us as tax payers, but to be honest 5.5bn to help people is a bargain, ruining our country isn't worth it though.
Ruining our country by working in the NHS and other essential services, you mean?
Ah yes "Our NHS". Simply mention it and the argument is closed. Everybody kneel and worship at the altar!
You’re going off topic now, but the NHS is something to be proud of, is it not? Healthcare free at the point of delivery for all - that’s a great thing, no?""best in the world" | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution.
Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else?
I’ve not seen any data since we left the EU, but EU migrants paid more into the system than they took out - but virtually of generally being young, working, not using the NHS to any great degree etc. I’ve not seen data on non-eu migration but I’d expect it to be similar.
We need immigration in the U.K. we have an ageing population and a healthcare crisis.
I've seen it eu migration brings in 3.7bn non eu costs us 9bn so roughly 5.5bn cost to us as tax payers, but to be honest 5.5bn to help people is a bargain, ruining our country isn't worth it though.I'm not follow your last sentence. Are you saying that bargain isn't worth it when you factor in ruining the country.
If it's a bargain, it's bringing lots of good things in. Presumably you are happy writing those good things off?
Ah yes, a few dead people is worth all the cultural enrichment."we haven't established what the good things this person was saying. Patience. | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit?" Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Not sure, probably when you become a British citizen " That's a possibility though would mean this particular person was indeed a migrant | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
All tragedies are avoidable, every single one
This is untrue, semantics and thoughtless.
Random acts of violence are not alway 100% avoidable and lead often to tragedy.
Would you have the confidence in your statement to say this to the families of those who lost their lives to this tragedy?
My reply was in response to the poster who stated that this tragedy was avoidable because the perpetrator was an immigrant . Using their logic every tragic event is avoidable, for example, it wouldn’t have happened if the perpetrators father had never met his mother etc etc etc "My misunderstanding | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution.
Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else?
I’ve not seen any data since we left the EU, but EU migrants paid more into the system than they took out - but virtually of generally being young, working, not using the NHS to any great degree etc. I’ve not seen data on non-eu migration but I’d expect it to be similar.
We need immigration in the U.K. we have an ageing population and a healthcare crisis.
I've seen it eu migration brings in 3.7bn non eu costs us 9bn so roughly 5.5bn cost to us as tax payers, but to be honest 5.5bn to help people is a bargain, ruining our country isn't worth it though.I'm not follow your last sentence. Are you saying that bargain isn't worth it when you factor in ruining the country.
If it's a bargain, it's bringing lots of good things in. Presumably you are happy writing those good things off?
"What I'm saying is if the cost of helping people in need was 5.5bn i don't think anyone would bat an eyelid, when the cost is £5.5bn, countless British people killed and and uncountable number of other lesser crimes and all the division it has caused that is destroying our country then it is no longer worth it and we need to be selfish and look after number 1. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution.
Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else?
I’ve not seen any data since we left the EU, but EU migrants paid more into the system than they took out - but virtually of generally being young, working, not using the NHS to any great degree etc. I’ve not seen data on non-eu migration but I’d expect it to be similar.
We need immigration in the U.K. we have an ageing population and a healthcare crisis.
I've seen it eu migration brings in 3.7bn non eu costs us 9bn so roughly 5.5bn cost to us as tax payers, but to be honest 5.5bn to help people is a bargain, ruining our country isn't worth it though.I'm not follow your last sentence. Are you saying that bargain isn't worth it when you factor in ruining the country.
If it's a bargain, it's bringing lots of good things in. Presumably you are happy writing those good things off?
What I'm saying is if the cost of helping people in need was 5.5bn i don't think anyone would bat an eyelid, when the cost is £5.5bn, countless British people killed and and uncountable number of other lesser crimes and all the division it has caused that is destroying our country then it is no longer worth it and we need to be selfish and look after number 1."Ban all immigration and all migration from the UK? | |||
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"Until the population comes together and faces the reality that proper vetting, enforcement of deportation when Visas expire, and active INTEGRATION* needs to occur, this farce will continue. Be prepared to accept the odd killing spree every now and then. Be it for Allah, any other descriptive of a deity, feelings of being an outsider or just because its a Monday. *There is a distinct reason where we've put this in capitals. Why society expects foreign cultures to meld and assimilate on their own without conflict is beyond us." Ban all immigration and migration to and from the UK? | |||
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"Ban all immigration and migration to and from the UK? " We did put INTEGRATION in all CAPS as a clue but it seems some horses just can't be lead to water. :D | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
All tragedies are avoidable, every single one
This is untrue, semantics and thoughtless.
Random acts of violence are not alway 100% avoidable and lead often to tragedy.
Would you have the confidence in your statement to say this to the families of those who lost their lives to this tragedy?
My reply was in response to the poster who stated that this tragedy was avoidable because the perpetrator was an immigrant . Using their logic every tragic event is avoidable, for example, it wouldn’t have happened if the perpetrators father had never met his mother etc etc etc "No it was avoidable if the the immigration laws in place were followed and he wasn't here to murder people. His father not meeting his mother is fate and is also unavoidable in real terms and there's no way of knowing the outcome. Meteor impact kills people= unavoidable British people either losing their marbles and killing someone or for whatever reason= unavoidable all countries have wrong ones and always will. Immigrant killing people in Britain after already proving themselves to be dangerous and violent= very easily avoidable If someone had tried to put this guy on a plane back to wherever he crawled out of there would of been packs of virtue signallers like some on here protesting it to stop. Like the guy who answered that a few dead people are worth the cultural enrichment, easy to say when it's not your loved ones. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
Was this chap a violent criminal when he was 18 and entered this country? How would we know what he would do 12 years later?
How do we know what anyone will do? We don't which is why we should err on the side of caution and not allow vast numbers of people from violent and undeveloped countries into our own. I care about people as much as the next person but I care about my own children and kin more same as 90% of people in the world. We are selling our descendents futures down the road so we can all give ourselves a little pat on the back about how caring and enlightened we are. If having so many migrants in the country brings so much added risk (and I'm sorry but after the last 20 years no one can deny this any longer) then we shouldn't be doing it.so much added risk is debatable. And let's ignore any benefits. Our kids futures may be sold far shorter if we closed borders. The poor fuckers will certainly have a hefty tax bill as we start claiming pensions !
And as said earlier, maybe we should stop tourists. Err on the side of caution.
Do immigrants not collect pensions then? Do you have the data on tax contributions of immigrants v the cost of everything else?
I’ve not seen any data since we left the EU, but EU migrants paid more into the system than they took out - but virtually of generally being young, working, not using the NHS to any great degree etc. I’ve not seen data on non-eu migration but I’d expect it to be similar.
We need immigration in the U.K. we have an ageing population and a healthcare crisis.
I've seen it eu migration brings in 3.7bn non eu costs us 9bn so roughly 5.5bn cost to us as tax payers, but to be honest 5.5bn to help people is a bargain, ruining our country isn't worth it though.I'm not follow your last sentence. Are you saying that bargain isn't worth it when you factor in ruining the country.
If it's a bargain, it's bringing lots of good things in. Presumably you are happy writing those good things off?
What I'm saying is if the cost of helping people in need was 5.5bn i don't think anyone would bat an eyelid, when the cost is £5.5bn, countless British people killed and and uncountable number of other lesser crimes and all the division it has caused that is destroying our country then it is no longer worth it and we need to be selfish and look after number 1."Ban immigration, deport all migrants, bring back the expats and see what happens to the economy. | |||
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"Until the population comes together and faces the reality that proper vetting, enforcement of deportation when Visas expire, and active INTEGRATION* needs to occur, this farce will continue. Be prepared to accept the odd killing spree every now and then. Be it for Allah, any other descriptive of a deity, feelings of being an outsider or just because its a Monday. *There is a distinct reason where we've put this in capitals. Why society expects foreign cultures to meld and assimilate on their own without conflict is beyond us." How are migrants to integrate? Have they got to read the Sun and buy a season ticket for their local team? | |||
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"Ban all immigration and migration to and from the UK? We did put INTEGRATION in all CAPS as a clue but it seems some horses just can't be lead to water. :D" Can you expand on that? Interrogate whom and when ? Not sure how this would have prevented the murders in Nottingham | |||
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"Ban all immigration and migration to and from the UK? We did put INTEGRATION in all CAPS as a clue but it seems some horses just can't be lead to water. :D" Not only that, you clarified the reason for the CAPS | |||
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"How are migrants to integrate? Have they got to read the Sun and buy a season ticket for their local team? For starters only allowing folk with an actual job would help. Honest work brings good ethics, and a social life to some degree as they can get used to folk they work with. Australia deports folks, even from places like the UK if they're more of a burden than a benefit and we need to follow a similar policy." That’s a power we’ve always had. Even in the EU. | |||
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"Until the population comes together and faces the reality that proper vetting, enforcement of deportation when Visas expire, and active INTEGRATION* needs to occur, this farce will continue. Be prepared to accept the odd killing spree every now and then. Be it for Allah, any other descriptive of a deity, feelings of being an outsider or just because its a Monday. *There is a distinct reason where we've put this in capitals. Why society expects foreign cultures to meld and assimilate on their own without conflict is beyond us. Ban all immigration and migration to and from the UK? " Whose said that? I presume you've given up on your silly no tragedy is avoidable line | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Would it be less of a tragedy if the perpetrators was a white person who was born in England ?
Yes it would, ones an avoidable tragedy the other isn't.
All tragedies are avoidable
They just aren't are they though. Letting violent criminals enter our country and ruin and end the lives of so many people certainly is.
All tragedies are avoidable, every single one
This is untrue, semantics and thoughtless.
Random acts of violence are not alway 100% avoidable and lead often to tragedy.
Would you have the confidence in your statement to say this to the families of those who lost their lives to this tragedy?
My reply was in response to the poster who stated that this tragedy was avoidable because the perpetrator was an immigrant . Using their logic every tragic event is avoidable, for example, it wouldn’t have happened if the perpetrators father had never met his mother etc etc etc
No it was avoidable if the the immigration laws in place were followed and he wasn't here to murder people. His father not meeting his mother is fate and is also unavoidable in real terms and there's no way of knowing the outcome.
Meteor impact kills people= unavoidable
British people either losing their marbles and killing someone or for whatever reason= unavoidable all countries have wrong ones and always will.
Immigrant killing people in Britain after already proving themselves to be dangerous and violent= very easily avoidable
If someone had tried to put this guy on a plane back to wherever he crawled out of there would of been packs of virtue signallers like some on here protesting it to stop.
Like the guy who answered that a few dead people are worth the cultural enrichment, easy to say when it's not your loved ones.
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"Until the population comes together and faces the reality that proper vetting, enforcement of deportation when Visas expire, and active INTEGRATION* needs to occur, this farce will continue. Be prepared to accept the odd killing spree every now and then. Be it for Allah, any other descriptive of a deity, feelings of being an outsider or just because its a Monday. *There is a distinct reason where we've put this in capitals. Why society expects foreign cultures to meld and assimilate on their own without conflict is beyond us. Ban all immigration and migration to and from the UK? Whose said that? I presume you've given up on your silly no tragedy is avoidable line" No, I stand by that claim, are you still blaming immigration for these murders? | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants" Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British?" Neither was Boris Johnson | |||
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Mo Farrah is British (although apparently trafficked).
This fella wasn't British but had permission to be here, regardless of how he got here, he had permission to remain.
It's just another bad person who has gone rogue. End of. | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British?" Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? " Do you think Mo Farrah is British? | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? " I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. " He has won 4 Olympic gold medals for Great Britain , do you think he is British (he is a British citizen) | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. He has won 4 Olympic gold medals for Great Britain , do you think he is British (he is a British citizen) "Well if he is a British citizen he is a British citizen. Maybe he identifies more as European. | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. He has won 4 Olympic gold medals for Great Britain , do you think he is British (he is a British citizen)
Well if he is a British citizen he is a British citizen.
Maybe he identifies more as European. "Maybe, he is as British as you are | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. He has won 4 Olympic gold medals for Great Britain , do you think he is British (he is a British citizen)
Well if he is a British citizen he is a British citizen.
Maybe he identifies more as European.
Maybe, he is as British as you are "If I bought a Grenadian passport tomorrow, it would give me certain rights. I don't think I would feel particularly Grenadian, as I know nothing about the place. Maybe I would in time, maybe other people would feel differently. | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. He has won 4 Olympic gold medals for Great Britain , do you think he is British (he is a British citizen)
Well if he is a British citizen he is a British citizen.
Maybe he identifies more as European.
Maybe, he is as British as you are
If I bought a Grenadian passport tomorrow, it would give me certain rights. I don't think I would feel particularly Grenadian, as I know nothing about the place. Maybe I would in time, maybe other people would feel differently."Irrelevant , | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. He has won 4 Olympic gold medals for Great Britain , do you think he is British (he is a British citizen)
Well if he is a British citizen he is a British citizen.
Maybe he identifies more as European.
Maybe, he is as British as you are
If I bought a Grenadian passport tomorrow, it would give me certain rights. I don't think I would feel particularly Grenadian, as I know nothing about the place. Maybe I would in time, maybe other people would feel differently.
Irrelevant , "What's irrelevant? | |||
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"Leave Farah alone Kick out the non dom tax dodgers starting with Sunaks mrs. £13m in tax free dividends last year via non dom while he increases our taxes by the highest in 70 years Ex chancellor Zahawi another tax cheat. " Weren't there some allegations about Farah and drugs? I don't know, I don't flow athletics. | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. He has won 4 Olympic gold medals for Great Britain , do you think he is British (he is a British citizen)
Well if he is a British citizen he is a British citizen.
Maybe he identifies more as European.
Maybe, he is as British as you are
If I bought a Grenadian passport tomorrow, it would give me certain rights. I don't think I would feel particularly Grenadian, as I know nothing about the place. Maybe I would in time, maybe other people would feel differently.
Irrelevant ,
What's irrelevant?"The Grenadian analogy , if if if | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. He has won 4 Olympic gold medals for Great Britain , do you think he is British (he is a British citizen)
Well if he is a British citizen he is a British citizen.
Maybe he identifies more as European.
Maybe, he is as British as you are
If I bought a Grenadian passport tomorrow, it would give me certain rights. I don't think I would feel particularly Grenadian, as I know nothing about the place. Maybe I would in time, maybe other people would feel differently.
Irrelevant ,
What's irrelevant?
The Grenadian analogy , if if if "It isn't irrelevant at all. There are plenty of countries in the world where it is possible to purchase a passport in return for investment. Do you think, if you bought a Grenadian passport, you would be as Grenadian as any other person there? Personally I would consider that to be quite arrogant and presumptuous. I could move to Spain and live there for twenty years. I would learn the language and try to fit in, but I'm doubtful I would ever feel "Spanish". | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. He has won 4 Olympic gold medals for Great Britain , do you think he is British (he is a British citizen)
Well if he is a British citizen he is a British citizen.
Maybe he identifies more as European.
Maybe, he is as British as you are
If I bought a Grenadian passport tomorrow, it would give me certain rights. I don't think I would feel particularly Grenadian, as I know nothing about the place. Maybe I would in time, maybe other people would feel differently.
Irrelevant ,
What's irrelevant?
The Grenadian analogy , if if if
It isn't irrelevant at all. There are plenty of countries in the world where it is possible to purchase a passport in return for investment.
Do you think, if you bought a Grenadian passport, you would be as Grenadian as any other person there?
Personally I would consider that to be quite arrogant and presumptuous.
I could move to Spain and live there for twenty years. I would learn the language and try to fit in, but I'm doubtful I would ever feel "Spanish"."Buy a Grenadian passport then and see how you feel | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. He has won 4 Olympic gold medals for Great Britain , do you think he is British (he is a British citizen)
Well if he is a British citizen he is a British citizen.
Maybe he identifies more as European.
Maybe, he is as British as you are
If I bought a Grenadian passport tomorrow, it would give me certain rights. I don't think I would feel particularly Grenadian, as I know nothing about the place. Maybe I would in time, maybe other people would feel differently.
Irrelevant ,
What's irrelevant?
The Grenadian analogy , if if if
It isn't irrelevant at all. There are plenty of countries in the world where it is possible to purchase a passport in return for investment.
Do you think, if you bought a Grenadian passport, you would be as Grenadian as any other person there?
Personally I would consider that to be quite arrogant and presumptuous.
I could move to Spain and live there for twenty years. I would learn the language and try to fit in, but I'm doubtful I would ever feel "Spanish".
Buy a Grenadian passport then and see how you feel "Get yourself a Russian or Saudi passport. See how you feel. | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. He has won 4 Olympic gold medals for Great Britain , do you think he is British (he is a British citizen)
Well if he is a British citizen he is a British citizen.
Maybe he identifies more as European.
Maybe, he is as British as you are
If I bought a Grenadian passport tomorrow, it would give me certain rights. I don't think I would feel particularly Grenadian, as I know nothing about the place. Maybe I would in time, maybe other people would feel differently.
Irrelevant ,
What's irrelevant?
The Grenadian analogy , if if if
It isn't irrelevant at all. There are plenty of countries in the world where it is possible to purchase a passport in return for investment.
Do you think, if you bought a Grenadian passport, you would be as Grenadian as any other person there?
Personally I would consider that to be quite arrogant and presumptuous.
I could move to Spain and live there for twenty years. I would learn the language and try to fit in, but I'm doubtful I would ever feel "Spanish".
Buy a Grenadian passport then and see how you feel
Get yourself a Russian or Saudi passport.
See how you feel.
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"Until the population comes together and faces the reality that proper vetting, enforcement of deportation when Visas expire, and active INTEGRATION* needs to occur, this farce will continue. Be prepared to accept the odd killing spree every now and then. Be it for Allah, any other descriptive of a deity, feelings of being an outsider or just because its a Monday. *There is a distinct reason where we've put this in capitals. Why society expects foreign cultures to meld and assimilate on their own without conflict is beyond us. How are migrants to integrate? Have they got to read the Sun and buy a season ticket for their local team? " I find from personal experience that the majority of those from Islamic countries have no interest in integrating, they have began to dominate certain areas and are now starting expand as more of them arrive! In my dealings with them I am often told to go home! Ironic since unlike them I am from this country and in fact my family are from the exact area they have taken over! So when I hear the the words "islamization of the west" , based on experience I am inclined to believe it. | |||
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"Until the population comes together and faces the reality that proper vetting, enforcement of deportation when Visas expire, and active INTEGRATION* needs to occur, this farce will continue. Be prepared to accept the odd killing spree every now and then. Be it for Allah, any other descriptive of a deity, feelings of being an outsider or just because its a Monday. *There is a distinct reason where we've put this in capitals. Why society expects foreign cultures to meld and assimilate on their own without conflict is beyond us. How are migrants to integrate? Have they got to read the Sun and buy a season ticket for their local team? I find from personal experience that the majority of those from Islamic countries have no interest in integrating, they have began to dominate certain areas and are now starting expand as more of them arrive! In my dealings with them I am often told to go home! Ironic since unlike them I am from this country and in fact my family are from the exact area they have taken over! So when I hear the the words "islamization of the west" , based on experience I am inclined to believe it." Living in Essex and spending most of my time in London (where apparently this sort of thing is rife) yet I’ve never come across it. I do recall a Yaxley-Lennon type claiming that there were Sharia areas of London that were no-go zones to non-Islamic people - the debunking videos posted on social media were very amusing, I must say. | |||
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"Until the population comes together and faces the reality that proper vetting, enforcement of deportation when Visas expire, and active INTEGRATION* needs to occur, this farce will continue. Be prepared to accept the odd killing spree every now and then. Be it for Allah, any other descriptive of a deity, feelings of being an outsider or just because its a Monday. *There is a distinct reason where we've put this in capitals. Why society expects foreign cultures to meld and assimilate on their own without conflict is beyond us. How are migrants to integrate? Have they got to read the Sun and buy a season ticket for their local team? I find from personal experience that the majority of those from Islamic countries have no interest in integrating, they have began to dominate certain areas and are now starting expand as more of them arrive! In my dealings with them I am often told to go home! Ironic since unlike them I am from this country and in fact my family are from the exact area they have taken over! So when I hear the the words "islamization of the west" , based on experience I am inclined to believe it. Living in Essex and spending most of my time in London (where apparently this sort of thing is rife) yet I’ve never come across it. I do recall a Yaxley-Lennon type claiming that there were Sharia areas of London that were no-go zones to non-Islamic people - the debunking videos posted on social media were very amusing, I must say. " 32% of people polled in a Guardian poll believed that to be true. 22% of Labour voters believed Islam was a threat to the British way of life. | |||
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"Until the population comes together and faces the reality that proper vetting, enforcement of deportation when Visas expire, and active INTEGRATION* needs to occur, this farce will continue. Be prepared to accept the odd killing spree every now and then. Be it for Allah, any other descriptive of a deity, feelings of being an outsider or just because its a Monday. *There is a distinct reason where we've put this in capitals. Why society expects foreign cultures to meld and assimilate on their own without conflict is beyond us. How are migrants to integrate? Have they got to read the Sun and buy a season ticket for their local team? I find from personal experience that the majority of those from Islamic countries have no interest in integrating, they have began to dominate certain areas and are now starting expand as more of them arrive! In my dealings with them I am often told to go home! Ironic since unlike them I am from this country and in fact my family are from the exact area they have taken over! So when I hear the the words "islamization of the west" , based on experience I am inclined to believe it. Living in Essex and spending most of my time in London (where apparently this sort of thing is rife) yet I’ve never come across it. I do recall a Yaxley-Lennon type claiming that there were Sharia areas of London that were no-go zones to non-Islamic people - the debunking videos posted on social media were very amusing, I must say. 32% of people polled in a Guardian poll believed that to be true. 22% of Labour voters believed Islam was a threat to the British way of life." Such is the power of propaganda. (Not that the grauniad spreads anti-Islamic rhetoric, but social media is sadly full of it) | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British?" How on earth does asking me the status of Mo Farrah answer my question. I asked what I thought was an easy to understand question. I then clarified the question. My question has nothing whatsoever to do with any one individual. So again the question was when does a person change from being a migrant to not being a migrant?. Fabtastic came up with a reasonable guess that its when they gain British citizenship. I don't know if that's correct but at least it's a reasonable guess. I thought maybe it's a set period of time but again I don't know hence the question which to be really clear is about the requirement for a migrant to no longer be classed as a migrant | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. He has won 4 Olympic gold medals for Great Britain , do you think he is British (he is a British citizen)
Well if he is a British citizen he is a British citizen.
Maybe he identifies more as European.
Maybe, he is as British as you are
If I bought a Grenadian passport tomorrow, it would give me certain rights. I don't think I would feel particularly Grenadian, as I know nothing about the place. Maybe I would in time, maybe other people would feel differently.
Irrelevant ,
What's irrelevant?
The Grenadian analogy , if if if
It isn't irrelevant at all. There are plenty of countries in the world where it is possible to purchase a passport in return for investment.
Do you think, if you bought a Grenadian passport, you would be as Grenadian as any other person there?
Personally I would consider that to be quite arrogant and presumptuous.
I could move to Spain and live there for twenty years. I would learn the language and try to fit in, but I'm doubtful I would ever feel "Spanish".
Buy a Grenadian passport then and see how you feel
Get yourself a Russian or Saudi passport.
See how you feel.
No thanks, I don’t want one "It doesn't matter. I grant you a Russian passport. You are now Russian. How does being Russian feel? It's all just about paperwork no? | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. He has won 4 Olympic gold medals for Great Britain , do you think he is British (he is a British citizen)
Well if he is a British citizen he is a British citizen.
Maybe he identifies more as European.
Maybe, he is as British as you are
If I bought a Grenadian passport tomorrow, it would give me certain rights. I don't think I would feel particularly Grenadian, as I know nothing about the place. Maybe I would in time, maybe other people would feel differently.
Irrelevant ,
What's irrelevant?
The Grenadian analogy , if if if
It isn't irrelevant at all. There are plenty of countries in the world where it is possible to purchase a passport in return for investment.
Do you think, if you bought a Grenadian passport, you would be as Grenadian as any other person there?
Personally I would consider that to be quite arrogant and presumptuous.
I could move to Spain and live there for twenty years. I would learn the language and try to fit in, but I'm doubtful I would ever feel "Spanish".
Buy a Grenadian passport then and see how you feel
Get yourself a Russian or Saudi passport.
See how you feel.
No thanks, I don’t want one
It doesn't matter. I grant you a Russian passport. You are now Russian. How does being Russian feel? It's all just about paperwork no? "Can we refer to him as Comrade Fabtastic now? Asking for a friend. | |||
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"So does anyone know when a person changes from being a migrant to not being a migrant. Is it a set time or is it if they gain settled status Why stop there? What about children if migrants? Grandchildren? Do we class Mo Farrah as a Brit? Maybe I worded it badly but I was neither starting or stopping anywhere just asking a question after the BBC changed their article. Personally though I would not include children who were born in this country to a migrant as a migrant. I think, though not 100% sure that such a child would be classed as British. But the question was purely on those that come here as migrants Mo Farrah was not born here. Is he British? Is he a British citizen? I've no idea. If I buy a Grenadian passport tomorrow, am I Grenadian? In what ways am I Grenadian and in what ways am I not? Do you think Mo Farrah is British? I don't know, I'm not interested in athletics. I've no idea what his legal status is. He has won 4 Olympic gold medals for Great Britain , do you think he is British (he is a British citizen)
Well if he is a British citizen he is a British citizen.
Maybe he identifies more as European.
Maybe, he is as British as you are
If I bought a Grenadian passport tomorrow, it would give me certain rights. I don't think I would feel particularly Grenadian, as I know nothing about the place. Maybe I would in time, maybe other people would feel differently.
Irrelevant ,
What's irrelevant?
The Grenadian analogy , if if if
It isn't irrelevant at all. There are plenty of countries in the world where it is possible to purchase a passport in return for investment.
Do you think, if you bought a Grenadian passport, you would be as Grenadian as any other person there?
Personally I would consider that to be quite arrogant and presumptuous.
I could move to Spain and live there for twenty years. I would learn the language and try to fit in, but I'm doubtful I would ever feel "Spanish".
Buy a Grenadian passport then and see how you feel
Get yourself a Russian or Saudi passport.
See how you feel.
No thanks, I don’t want one
It doesn't matter. I grant you a Russian passport. You are now Russian. How does being Russian feel? It's all just about paperwork no? "How did you manage to do that ? No offence but I think you’re making shit up | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible." Just been catching up. Looks like permission to stay via settlement scheme. Nothing to do with being a refugee (not that OP said this but the thread discussed it a lot). Should no EU passport holders have been allowed to settle ? Or just not those with other passports? Know drug dealer? Haven't seen this mentioned in recent articles. DM interview with ex house mate said didn't do drugs or drink much. Recent convert to Islam. Again, little has been mentioned here. Family seem to be regular church goers. No sign CTU are involved other than initial help. "Mental health" issues seems to be mental health issues. Again DM interview with ex housemate says he had confided in her that his health was deteriorating and he was seeing and hearing things that weren't there. He was allegedly moved on from M15 where he was demanding to get in. Possibly the only part of this thread that has relevance to the actual story is that maybe that was tej point at which the tragedy could have been avodied.... Story is still in the newspapers etc. As yet, this has not been buried. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Just been catching up. Looks like permission to stay via settlement scheme. Nothing to do with being a refugee (not that OP said this but the thread discussed it a lot). Should no EU passport holders have been allowed to settle ? Or just not those with other passports? Know drug dealer? Haven't seen this mentioned in recent articles. DM interview with ex house mate said didn't do drugs or drink much. Recent convert to Islam. Again, little has been mentioned here. Family seem to be regular church goers. No sign CTU are involved other than initial help. "Mental health" issues seems to be mental health issues. Again DM interview with ex housemate says he had confided in her that his health was deteriorating and he was seeing and hearing things that weren't there. He was allegedly moved on from M15 where he was demanding to get in. Possibly the only part of this thread that has relevance to the actual story is that maybe that was tej point at which the tragedy could have been avodied.... Story is still in the newspapers etc. As yet, this has not been buried. " There's been multiple conflicting reports in papers about his origin, length of stay here etc. So I'd just wait for some clarity. | |||
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"Obviously a tragedy for the victims and their families and friends. From what we know about the perpetrator: Male 31 Black West African migrant with permission to remain in the UK Known low level drug dealer but with no criminal record Recent convert to Islam As usual we are being told that he has "mental health" issues, the standard cover for the other attributes. Given the characteristics of the perpetrator, I think we can be sure that this story will be "disappeared" by politicians, the police, and MSM as quickly as possible. Just been catching up. Looks like permission to stay via settlement scheme. Nothing to do with being a refugee (not that OP said this but the thread discussed it a lot). Should no EU passport holders have been allowed to settle ? Or just not those with other passports? Know drug dealer? Haven't seen this mentioned in recent articles. DM interview with ex house mate said didn't do drugs or drink much. Recent convert to Islam. Again, little has been mentioned here. Family seem to be regular church goers. No sign CTU are involved other than initial help. "Mental health" issues seems to be mental health issues. Again DM interview with ex housemate says he had confided in her that his health was deteriorating and he was seeing and hearing things that weren't there. He was allegedly moved on from M15 where he was demanding to get in. Possibly the only part of this thread that has relevance to the actual story is that maybe that was tej point at which the tragedy could have been avodied.... Story is still in the newspapers etc. As yet, this has not been buried. There's been multiple conflicting reports in papers about his origin, length of stay here etc. So I'd just wait for some clarity. " now they have named him, I'm hoping that we may have more faith in the details. The Islam / drug dealer bit is, i admit, not so easy. Although it appears he may be a drug dealer without any record. Your advice is sensible. Lots of assumptions made early doors. And I am relying on interviews with exhousemates. | |||
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