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"Elderly lady killed by dog attack. Seems to be a spate of such attacks in the news recently. Politicians and vets seem reluctant to condemn dangerous breeds, which are being used as surrogate weapons to intimidate. The excuse is usually "it's the owner not the dog". But people aren't being ripped apart by Poodles and Labradors are they? " Google woman killed by Labrador. | |||
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"Elderly lady killed by dog attack. Seems to be a spate of such attacks in the news recently. Politicians and vets seem reluctant to condemn dangerous breeds, which are being used as surrogate weapons to intimidate. The excuse is usually "it's the owner not the dog". But people aren't being ripped apart by Poodles and Labradors are they? Google woman killed by Labrador. " Yes I know, and a bad attack by Border Collie recently too. Surprised at both, but let's be honest we are talking Pitbull 'types' here aren't we? This is my point really, blatantly dangerous dogs get defended and nothing happens. Then expect more kids to be killed and disfigured. | |||
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"Dog licenses could be an answer. The bigger or more dangerous dogs could demand a higher license fee and make it yearly. Make displaying the license on a collar mandatory, and money raised by the license can be used to fund enforcement. " Agree, bring back dog licences! Which Govt abolished them again? Silly numpties! | |||
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"Owners all the way, I have 4 bullies and they are the most kind dogs I have ever had, due to the job my wife and I do we come in contact with various types of dogs on a weekly bases and any breed wrongly raised or treated can have a snap in them, however stronger licensing laws to ensure experienced handlers own certain dogs is maybe a way to help going forward but silly calls for certain breeds to be banned is just ludicrous in my opinion " This seems a bit counter-intuitive. Aren't dogs bred for fighting/guarding likely to be more aggressive by nature? And if these dogs aren't intended to intimidate, why aren't thugs walking around with Pekingese? | |||
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"I own a cane corso, he’s a good dog, loves and protects our family, he’s both good on and off the lead, walks to heal when off, loves kids of all ages & we have never had an issue with his behaviour Now you come onto our property uninvited & not introduced to our dog or are aggressive towards any member of the family it’s a different story. " So what if some hapless kids comes into your garden to fetch his/her ball? | |||
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"I own a cane corso, he’s a good dog, loves and protects our family, he’s both good on and off the lead, walks to heal when off, loves kids of all ages & we have never had an issue with his behaviour Now you come onto our property uninvited & not introduced to our dog or are aggressive towards any member of the family it’s a different story. So what if some hapless kids comes into your garden to fetch his/her ball? " They should read the warning signs & not climb a 6ft fence to get the ball. Try knocking the door and asking for the ball back like a normal person | |||
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"I own a cane corso, he’s a good dog, loves and protects our family, he’s both good on and off the lead, walks to heal when off, loves kids of all ages & we have never had an issue with his behaviour Now you come onto our property uninvited & not introduced to our dog or are aggressive towards any member of the family it’s a different story. So what if some hapless kids comes into your garden to fetch his/her ball? They should read the warning signs & not climb a 6ft fence to get the ball. Try knocking the door and asking for the ball back like a normal person " Indeed, if only 5-year-olds had such wisdom eh? | |||
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"I own a cane corso, he’s a good dog, loves and protects our family, he’s both good on and off the lead, walks to heal when off, loves kids of all ages & we have never had an issue with his behaviour Now you come onto our property uninvited & not introduced to our dog or are aggressive towards any member of the family it’s a different story. So what if some hapless kids comes into your garden to fetch his/her ball? They should read the warning signs & not climb a 6ft fence to get the ball. Try knocking the door and asking for the ball back like a normal person Indeed, if only 5-year-olds had such wisdom eh?" My dog loves 5-year-olds but can't manage a full one in one sitting. | |||
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"I own a cane corso, he’s a good dog, loves and protects our family, he’s both good on and off the lead, walks to heal when off, loves kids of all ages & we have never had an issue with his behaviour Now you come onto our property uninvited & not introduced to our dog or are aggressive towards any member of the family it’s a different story. " You are just an American with a dog instead of a gun lol | |||
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"I own a cane corso, he’s a good dog, loves and protects our family, he’s both good on and off the lead, walks to heal when off, loves kids of all ages & we have never had an issue with his behaviour Now you come onto our property uninvited & not introduced to our dog or are aggressive towards any member of the family it’s a different story. So what if some hapless kids comes into your garden to fetch his/her ball? They should read the warning signs & not climb a 6ft fence to get the ball. Try knocking the door and asking for the ball back like a normal person Indeed, if only 5-year-olds had such wisdom eh? My dog loves 5-year-olds but can't manage a full one in one sitting." Dont think its a subject for humour, too much at stake ,civil liberties ,safety, etc . | |||
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"I own a cane corso, he’s a good dog, loves and protects our family, he’s both good on and off the lead, walks to heal when off, loves kids of all ages & we have never had an issue with his behaviour Now you come onto our property uninvited & not introduced to our dog or are aggressive towards any member of the family it’s a different story. So what if some hapless kids comes into your garden to fetch his/her ball? They should read the warning signs & not climb a 6ft fence to get the ball. Try knocking the door and asking for the ball back like a normal person Indeed, if only 5-year-olds had such wisdom eh?" Love to see a 5yo climb a 6ft fence. | |||
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"I own a cane corso, he’s a good dog, loves and protects our family, he’s both good on and off the lead, walks to heal when off, loves kids of all ages & we have never had an issue with his behaviour Now you come onto our property uninvited & not introduced to our dog or are aggressive towards any member of the family it’s a different story. You are just an American with a dog instead of a gun lol" I own a small holding so I have guns too | |||
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" Pitbulls bite and tear, its what they do." Not if their owners look after them properly. They can be wonderful companions. | |||
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"Elderly lady killed by dog attack. Seems to be a spate of such attacks in the news recently. Politicians and vets seem reluctant to condemn dangerous breeds, which are being used as surrogate weapons to intimidate. The excuse is usually "it's the owner not the dog". But people aren't being ripped apart by Poodles and Labradors are they? " a poodle was a french hunting dog a few hundred years ago,, all dogs when in a pack can attack injure and kill they should only be allowed out wearing a muzzle,,, | |||
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"Dog licenses could be an answer. The bigger or more dangerous dogs could demand a higher license fee and make it yearly. Make displaying the license on a collar mandatory, and money raised by the license can be used to fund enforcement. Agree, bring back dog licences! Which Govt abolished them again? Silly numpties!" Licences are for the law abiding nd therefore largely rather pointless. | |||
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" Pitbulls bite and tear, its what they do. Not if their owners look after them properly. They can be wonderful companions. " Same goes for pet alligators but you wouldn't leave one of those unattended around a child now would you? | |||
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" Pitbulls bite and tear, its what they do. Not if their owners look after them properly. They can be wonderful companions. Same goes for pet alligators but you wouldn't leave one of those unattended around a child now would you?" I don't think that's a good comparison. | |||
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"I own a cane corso, he’s a good dog, loves and protects our family, he’s both good on and off the lead, walks to heal when off, loves kids of all ages & we have never had an issue with his behaviour Now you come onto our property uninvited & not introduced to our dog or are aggressive towards any member of the family it’s a different story. " Please lock it away if you ever call an ambulance Bess x | |||
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"Im not a dog owner very controversial I don't believe certain animals should be aloud as so called pets they should only be here if for a purpose ie police rescue all other certain breeds should be eradicated no need for them they were breed for a purpose that no longer exists." I'm with you up to a point. Working breeds (military/police/search and rescue/Customs/Blind & Other Medical Assistance (including Comfort Animals for those with diagnosed needs)...100%. These dogs serve a purpose. A cute puppy for 8 year old Emily though ? No. It might make Emily happy, but ethically I'm not convinced that's good enough of a reason to incarcerate an animal. Perhaps an Aibo or whatever the next gen of AI-robot dogs is might be more appropriate. It'd be way more cleverer, obedient and useful, and eminently bondable. I'd stop at "eradicating" however. That's a bit strong. Reduce the supply, educate the public, offer alternatives ("Robo-Dog"), and demand will do the job for you. To be fair, once AI-Robo Dogs take off (Hmmm...drone version !), the working breeds will die out anyway. Andreas Mershin from MIT was working on a scent detection system that was 200 times more powerful than a dog's nose back in 2021. I should image with the great leaps in AI since then, it's come on in leaps and bounds, as AI is great at extrapolating and analysing data rapidly. | |||
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" Pitbulls bite and tear, its what they do. Not if their owners look after them properly. They can be wonderful companions. " A similar case is made by people who think they have a special rapport with big cats and crocodiles. It all goes well until one day the animal is spooked or hurt, then they get torn apart. These are animals!! Same for Pitbulls. | |||
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"Dog licenses could be an answer. The bigger or more dangerous dogs could demand a higher license fee and make it yearly. Make displaying the license on a collar mandatory, and money raised by the license can be used to fund enforcement. " | |||
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" Pitbulls bite and tear, its what they do. Not if their owners look after them properly. They can be wonderful companions. A similar case is made by people who think they have a special rapport with big cats and crocodiles. It all goes well until one day the animal is spooked or hurt, then they get torn apart. These are animals!! Same for Pitbulls." It's not, pitbulls when kept properly don't ever attack. Big cats are entirely different species with different instincts and needs. Comparing them to big cats is as silly as the comparison to alligators. | |||
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" Pitbulls bite and tear, its what they do. Not if their owners look after them properly. They can be wonderful companions. A similar case is made by people who think they have a special rapport with big cats and crocodiles. It all goes well until one day the animal is spooked or hurt, then they get torn apart. These are animals!! Same for Pitbulls. It's not, pitbulls when kept properly don't ever attack. Big cats are entirely different species with different instincts and needs. Comparing them to big cats is as silly as the comparison to alligators." What they all have in common is that they are animals. It's naive to imagine animals always behave in a predictable and non-aggressive way. Maybe Pitbulls can be trained not to attack, but I doubt such training is the priority of Pitbull owners. | |||
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" Pitbulls bite and tear, its what they do. Not if their owners look after them properly. They can be wonderful companions. A similar case is made by people who think they have a special rapport with big cats and crocodiles. It all goes well until one day the animal is spooked or hurt, then they get torn apart. These are animals!! Same for Pitbulls. It's not, pitbulls when kept properly don't ever attack. Big cats are entirely different species with different instincts and needs. Comparing them to big cats is as silly as the comparison to alligators. What they all have in common is that they are animals. It's naive to imagine animals always behave in a predictable and non-aggressive way. Maybe Pitbulls can be trained not to attack, but I doubt such training is the priority of Pitbull owners." Dogs are all animals as are humans. Dogs are no more aggressive by nature than we are. Maybe we should have children licences along with the dog ones. | |||
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"Dog licenses could be an answer. The bigger or more dangerous dogs could demand a higher license fee and make it yearly. Make displaying the license on a collar mandatory, and money raised by the license can be used to fund enforcement. " Unfortunately, the criminals who use these huge dogs to intimidate won't bother getting a licence; And in any case, some of these dogs are banned breeds and the owners get them because of their aggressiveness & ferocity. Licencing will only be observed by the decent owners of normal dogs so really, no, a licence isn't going to stop this. Not having a driving licence doesn't stop the feral youth of today stealing cars and crashing them all over the place. | |||
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"Clearly the answer is for everyone to stock up on more and more dangerous dogs. No way you are removing my right to own dogs, as per the second hound-mendment. (More considered post will follow when coffee kicks in. Probably involves dog licensing, breeding licenses and spading by default) " The people should fight then to allow conceal carry Chihuahuas. | |||
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"Licencing will only be observed by the decent owners of normal dogs so really, no, a licence isn't going to stop this." Licensing won't stop people from owning these dogs, but it will give the police the power to seize any such dog that isn't licensed. It's quite hard to conceal ownership of a dog, since you have to take it out for a walk every day. It wouldn't be long before all unlicenced dogs were taken off the streets. | |||
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"Dog licenses could be an answer. The bigger or more dangerous dogs could demand a higher license fee and make it yearly. Make displaying the license on a collar mandatory, and money raised by the license can be used to fund enforcement. Unfortunately, the criminals who use these huge dogs to intimidate won't bother getting a licence; And in any case, some of these dogs are banned breeds and the owners get them because of their aggressiveness & ferocity. Licencing will only be observed by the decent owners of normal dogs so really, no, a licence isn't going to stop this. Not having a driving licence doesn't stop the feral youth of today stealing cars and crashing them all over the place." You are correct it won't stop certain types owning dangerous dogs, but the revenue raised from a license could help fund the enforcement and removal of dangerous dogs from the streets, allowing owners of dogs to enjoy their walks and time outside with their dogs. There is no perfect answer, however doing nothing simply allows the problem to escalate. | |||
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"Clearly the answer is for everyone to stock up on more and more dangerous dogs. No way you are removing my right to own dogs, as per the second hound-mendment. (More considered post will follow when coffee kicks in. Probably involves dog licensing, breeding licenses and spading by default) The people should fight then to allow conceal carry Chihuahuas. " | |||
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"Clearly the answer is for everyone to stock up on more and more dangerous dogs. No way you are removing my right to own dogs, as per the second hound-mendment. (More considered post will follow when coffee kicks in. Probably involves dog licensing, breeding licenses and spading by default) The people should fight then to allow conceal carry Chihuahuas. " Don't get me started on the military grade assault bovines. Why can't the be banned too. | |||
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" Pitbulls bite and tear, its what they do. Not if their owners look after them properly. They can be wonderful companions. A similar case is made by people who think they have a special rapport with big cats and crocodiles. It all goes well until one day the animal is spooked or hurt, then they get torn apart. These are animals!! Same for Pitbulls. It's not, pitbulls when kept properly don't ever attack. Big cats are entirely different species with different instincts and needs. Comparing them to big cats is as silly as the comparison to alligators. What they all have in common is that they are animals. It's naive to imagine animals always behave in a predictable and non-aggressive way. Maybe Pitbulls can be trained not to attack, but I doubt such training is the priority of Pitbull owners. Dogs are all animals as are humans. Dogs are no more aggressive by nature than we are. Maybe we should have children licences along with the dog ones." I'm in agreement. | |||
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" Pitbulls bite and tear, its what they do. Not if their owners look after them properly. They can be wonderful companions. A similar case is made by people who think they have a special rapport with big cats and crocodiles. It all goes well until one day the animal is spooked or hurt, then they get torn apart. These are animals!! Same for Pitbulls. It's not, pitbulls when kept properly don't ever attack. Big cats are entirely different species with different instincts and needs. Comparing them to big cats is as silly as the comparison to alligators. What they all have in common is that they are animals. It's naive to imagine animals always behave in a predictable and non-aggressive way. Maybe Pitbulls can be trained not to attack, but I doubt such training is the priority of Pitbull owners. Dogs are all animals as are humans. Dogs are no more aggressive by nature than we are. Maybe we should have children licences along with the dog ones. I'm in agreement. " wow I agree I trust my dogs more than humans. | |||
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"Would be interested to see the statistics on fatal dog attacks ie what breeds kill the most" Pitbull type dogs have been responsible for half of all dog-related deaths in the UK since 2021, killing 6 adults and 3 children. The problem is exact classification of breeds. It is a grey area. The authorities rely on vets to pronounce on dog breeds, and they are understandably cautious to condemn dogs to death. Fine - until the dog 'flips' and mutilates or kills a child. I'm not against dogs in general, they make fantastic pets and companions. But the weaponising of certain breeds is a worrying social trend. | |||
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"Would be interested to see the statistics on fatal dog attacks ie what breeds kill the most Pitbull type dogs have been responsible for half of all dog-related deaths in the UK since 2021, killing 6 adults and 3 children. The problem is exact classification of breeds. It is a grey area. The authorities rely on vets to pronounce on dog breeds, and they are understandably cautious to condemn dogs to death. Fine - until the dog 'flips' and mutilates or kills a child. I'm not against dogs in general, they make fantastic pets and companions. But the weaponising of certain breeds is a worrying social trend." When I was a kid you only seen pitbulls and rottweilers and the like in scrap yards as guard dogs, for a reason I guess. Now people keep them as house pets ! | |||
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"Reading most of the posts. Most are in agreement that it's not the dog so why licence the dog. The owners should be licenced to have a pet and I do mean any pet. Make it un lawful to buy or hme a dog without a licence held buy the house hold. Chip would link to an address so easy to fine owner or for prosecution " So, how would would not being chipped automatically help? Anyone who operates outside the law is not going to get the dog chipped and if they are on the fringes of society, they know damned well that the police wo't be visiting their dodgy location if they can possibly help it. | |||
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"I have a Jack Russell and he's a temperamental little Bstard and we always keep him in the back room if people are visiting in the house as he would nip if a stranger tried to pet him. That said my 4 year old son could pull him off you if he attacked you and he even then he wouldn't be capable of causing any serious injuries even if he tried. How ever if I decided I needed an extremely vicious and powerful dog as a "pet" outcomes might differ" Used to have 2 as a kid, they chased the postman, milkman, paper boy etc If you were family, belly rub them to death! Mine loves Jack's as they are both breeds from the farms, same as the half feral cats ... cats rule all the dogs | |||
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