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"Bad election results means only one thing. The supporters of Boris and Liz come out of the woodwork to Slate Rishi Sunak. They even had a conference in Bournemouth! Claiming the tories are going backwards. The usual suspects came out Mogg, Dorries, and Patel to slam the direction of travel and pave the way for the return of Boris Johnson. . From the view outside it looks like another example why the tories should not be in power anymore. If they think that bringing back either Liz or Boris will revive their fortunes, then they clearly haven’t read the mood of the British public particularly well." I predicted this after the local election results, Sunak is too weak to deal with them (although he is a far better PM than Boris and Truss) . | |||
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" I predicted this after the local election results, Sunak is too weak to deal with them (although he is a far better PM than Boris and Truss) . " Why do you call him Boris and not his surname like the others ? | |||
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" I predicted this after the local election results, Sunak is too weak to deal with them (although he is a far better PM than Boris and Truss) . Why do you call him Boris and not his surname like the others ?" Good question, tbh, I don’t know | |||
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" Good question, tbh, I don’t know " I think it was deliberate spin, to make people think he was their friend if you called him by his first name | |||
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" Good question, tbh, I don’t know I think it was deliberate spin, to make people think he was their friend if you called him by his first name" True, especially as his real name is Alexander | |||
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" True, especially as his real name is Alexander " His surname should be Kemal. His grandfather changed it to Johnson | |||
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"Bad election results means only one thing. The supporters of Boris and Liz come out of the woodwork to Slate Rishi Sunak. They even had a conference in Bournemouth! Claiming the tories are going backwards. The usual suspects came out Mogg, Dorries, and Patel to slam the direction of travel and pave the way for the return of Boris Johnson. . From the view outside it looks like another example why the tories should not be in power anymore. If they think that bringing back either Liz or Boris will revive their fortunes, then they clearly haven’t read the mood of the British public particularly well." Looks like there has always been a party within a party, though that's not unique. I don't think bringing back Boris will help in the slightest and it's just winding do the clock until the GE. On the face of it Sunak is far more competent but from what I read, after the polls narrowed a bit the have got worse again. I think the Boris side want more done to stimulate growth but perhaps not in the same way truss tried when she was PM. Labour obviously have a similar issue with corbyn and momentum but SKS seems to have silenced them, for now at least | |||
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"Bad election results means only one thing. The supporters of Boris and Liz come out of the woodwork to Slate Rishi Sunak. They even had a conference in Bournemouth! Claiming the tories are going backwards. The usual suspects came out Mogg, Dorries, and Patel to slam the direction of travel and pave the way for the return of Boris Johnson. . From the view outside it looks like another example why the tories should not be in power anymore. If they think that bringing back either Liz or Boris will revive their fortunes, then they clearly haven’t read the mood of the British public particularly well." Changing the leadership is like rearranging chairs on the Titanic. The party is 2 parties within one. The sooner they realise this the better for the country. | |||
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"ERG has been kicked into the long grass after Sunak's Windsor agreement and seeing as Sunak also changed direction on the EU laws they really are dead and buried. The conservative democrats are something Sunak will need to deal with in the same way and it will be a tough nut to crack! If the tories lose the next GE this group will probably take control, if they win they will hold Sunak by the balls on every single policy, assuming the tories win by the smallest of margins. Most ironic that they want to bring back democracy to the tory party, I wonder how that fits in with the proroguing of parliament that Johnson and this group forced through? I think the conservative hypocrisy group would be a mote fitting name..." Interesting. Can you elaborate on the "they want to bring back democracy to the Tory party"? Are they not already? | |||
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"ERG has been kicked into the long grass after Sunak's Windsor agreement and seeing as Sunak also changed direction on the EU laws they really are dead and buried. The conservative democrats are something Sunak will need to deal with in the same way and it will be a tough nut to crack! If the tories lose the next GE this group will probably take control, if they win they will hold Sunak by the balls on every single policy, assuming the tories win by the smallest of margins. Most ironic that they want to bring back democracy to the tory party, I wonder how that fits in with the proroguing of parliament that Johnson and this group forced through? I think the conservative hypocrisy group would be a mote fitting name... Interesting. Can you elaborate on the "they want to bring back democracy to the Tory party"? Are they not already?" Every party has groups who work inside the party to influence on particular matters such as Europe and the ERG. The conservative democrats main focus as a group is to bring back democracy, that’s their group focus, they believe it was eroded by the appointment of Sunak. Basically It’s a pressure group on the PM, from the Johnson era who have seen their influence dwindling under Sunak, the group are probably the most undemocratic bunch we will ever see. | |||
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"ERG has been kicked into the long grass after Sunak's Windsor agreement and seeing as Sunak also changed direction on the EU laws they really are dead and buried. The conservative democrats are something Sunak will need to deal with in the same way and it will be a tough nut to crack! If the tories lose the next GE this group will probably take control, if they win they will hold Sunak by the balls on every single policy, assuming the tories win by the smallest of margins. Most ironic that they want to bring back democracy to the tory party, I wonder how that fits in with the proroguing of parliament that Johnson and this group forced through? I think the conservative hypocrisy group would be a mote fitting name... Interesting. Can you elaborate on the "they want to bring back democracy to the Tory party"? Are they not already? Every party has groups who work inside the party to influence on particular matters such as Europe and the ERG. The conservative democrats main focus as a group is to bring back democracy, that’s their group focus, they believe it was eroded by the appointment of Sunak. Basically It’s a pressure group on the PM, from the Johnson era who have seen their influence dwindling under Sunak, the group are probably the most undemocratic bunch we will ever see. " Thank you for explaining. | |||
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"Bad election results means only one thing. The supporters of Boris and Liz come out of the woodwork to Slate Rishi Sunak. They even had a conference in Bournemouth! Claiming the tories are going backwards. The usual suspects came out Mogg, Dorries, and Patel to slam the direction of travel and pave the way for the return of Boris Johnson. . From the view outside it looks like another example why the tories should not be in power anymore. If they think that bringing back either Liz or Boris will revive their fortunes, then they clearly haven’t read the mood of the British public particularly well." Conservative Party psychodrama…. Again!!! They don’t appear to empathise at all with ordinary people who just want to see their lives improved. Lord Frost, Rees Mogg, Truss, Patel - they are all incompetents who found themselves in High Office for no other reason than they showed loyalty to the Cunt-In-Chief Johnson. Fuck them all right out of office as quickly as possible. They already lack the moral mandate and the next election cannot come soon enough. Until then, we all have to listen to their whining and moaning whilst the country at large suffers. | |||
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"The next GE will be interesting. If Labour win, it won't be a majority, so we're looking at another coalition and who would that be with?. The Conservative government is no longer Conservative and to be honest I feel far left extremism and wokeism is manipulating our politics and preventing any government on making any real day to day changes. Globally, I feel we're heading for another great depression. May sound extreme, however you only have to see and talk to people around you, see that nearly 1 million didn't pay there mortgages or rent, struggling to pay other bills, no government can prevent what's coming." Do you have examples of this "far left extremism" or "wokism" stopping any real change? | |||
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"Absolutely. Our police force is disrespected and one of the worst performing forces in the country, due to previous MET chief Cressida Dick and what she implemented. Our education system follows suite with adopting woke teachings and implemented rules of the use of pronouns and failing to protect children who are easily influenced on gender identity. Could carry on, but feel that would be for another discussion "Which bit is the police stuff referring to? Personally I think teaching kids about treating people with respect seems like a good thing. In any case. How is this holding back change? Surely this is change? | |||
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"Politics is all about keeping the loudest happy. The green agenda is something that is costing the Nation millions, yet nobody asked for it and the technology isn't there. The rise of Vegan food, almost like a religion, yet nobody realises that agriculturely, its worse for the environment, given how much farm land is needed to sustain such a lifestyle, that it would seriously affect our wildlife and livestock. Until we get some kind of reality check in place and stop worrying about offending people and remember our right to free speech, politics will carry on down a path that makes no real change and just goes with what's popular and keeps the rich rich" Okay you've strayed well into conspiracy theory stuff here. I'll leave you to it.  | |||
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"The rise of Vegan food, almost like a religion, yet nobody realises that agriculturely, its worse for the environment, given how much farm land is needed to sustain such a lifestyle, that it would seriously affect our wildlife and livestock." "Is the rise in veganism a govt policy? Is it being encouraged by tax breaks or grants, are planning laws amended to give priority to arable farms? Or are some people, for whatever reason increasingly choosing not to eat meat? It's the latter clearly. Which means that ultimately given you think the rise of veganism is bad, that you want the government to have a list of proscribed diets. Don't you think that could be construed as being just a teeny bit, well, 'extremist'?" I don't see the poster even suggesting that the government is responsible for the rise in veganism, let alone that they should do something about it. Don't you think your a teeny bit, well, overreacting? | |||
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"'The rise of Vegan food, almost like a religion, yet nobody realises that agriculturely, its worse for the environment, given how much farm land is needed to sustain such a lifestyle, that it would seriously affect our wildlife and livestock.' Is the rise in veganism a govt policy? Is it being encouraged by tax breaks or grants, are planning laws amended to give priority to arable farms? Or are some people, for whatever reason increasingly choosing not to eat meat? It's the latter clearly. Which means that ultimately given you think the rise of veganism is bad, that you want the government to have a list of proscribed diets. Don't you think that could be construed as being just a teeny bit, well, 'extremist'?" Most studies I've read on the subject say that livestock farming is less efficient than crop agriculture. Requiring more land for the equivalent nutritional output. Here is a quote While animal agriculture generates about $35 billion more than plant agriculture, the expenses generated by animal agriculture are considerably higher—about $55.8 billion more than in plant farming. Based on these numbers, the report concludes that “plant-based agriculture grows 512% more pounds of food than animal-based agriculture on 69% of the mass of land that animal-based agriculture uses.” | |||
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"Politics is all about keeping the loudest happy. The green agenda is something that is costing the Nation millions, yet nobody asked for it and the technology isn't there. The rise of Vegan food, almost like a religion, yet nobody realises that agriculturely, its worse for the environment, given how much farm land is needed to sustain such a lifestyle, that it would seriously affect our wildlife and livestock. Until we get some kind of reality check in place and stop worrying about offending people and remember our right to free speech, politics will carry on down a path that makes no real change and just goes with what's popular and keeps the rich rich" Livestock farming is unsustainable for present levels of population worldwide. We absolutely must move increasingly towards plant based (and ultimately cellular) diets. | |||
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"The rise of Vegan food, almost like a religion, yet nobody realises that agriculturely, its worse for the environment, given how much farm land is needed to sustain such a lifestyle, that it would seriously affect our wildlife and livestock. Is the rise in veganism a govt policy? Is it being encouraged by tax breaks or grants, are planning laws amended to give priority to arable farms? Or are some people, for whatever reason increasingly choosing not to eat meat? It's the latter clearly. Which means that ultimately given you think the rise of veganism is bad, that you want the government to have a list of proscribed diets. Don't you think that could be construed as being just a teeny bit, well, 'extremist'? I don't see the poster even suggesting that the government is responsible for the rise in veganism, let alone that they should do something about it. Don't you think your a teeny bit, well, overreacting? " To paraphrase.... Wokeism is preventing the govt from delivering policies people want. What sort of wokeism? Veganism. If veganism isn't a problem for govt why mention it as something holding the govt back from delivering policy? | |||
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"The rise of Vegan food, almost like a religion, yet nobody realises that agriculturely, its worse for the environment, given how much farm land is needed to sustain such a lifestyle, that it would seriously affect our wildlife and livestock. Is the rise in veganism a govt policy? Is it being encouraged by tax breaks or grants, are planning laws amended to give priority to arable farms? Or are some people, for whatever reason increasingly choosing not to eat meat? It's the latter clearly. Which means that ultimately given you think the rise of veganism is bad, that you want the government to have a list of proscribed diets. Don't you think that could be construed as being just a teeny bit, well, 'extremist'? I don't see the poster even suggesting that the government is responsible for the rise in veganism, let alone that they should do something about it. Don't you think your a teeny bit, well, overreacting? To paraphrase.... Wokeism is preventing the govt from delivering policies people want. What sort of wokeism? Veganism. If veganism isn't a problem for govt why mention it as something holding the govt back from delivering policy? " Paraphrasing to the extreme whilst ignoring all of his other points. Yeah, I'd say that's the exact problem with paraphrasing, there's zero context. You do know he spoke of the police and education system before he even mentioned veganism. By all means pick him up but taking your argument to the extreme certainly looks like petty overreacting. | |||
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"The rise of Vegan food, almost like a religion, yet nobody realises that agriculturely, its worse for the environment, given how much farm land is needed to sustain such a lifestyle, that it would seriously affect our wildlife and livestock. Is the rise in veganism a govt policy? Is it being encouraged by tax breaks or grants, are planning laws amended to give priority to arable farms? Or are some people, for whatever reason increasingly choosing not to eat meat? It's the latter clearly. Which means that ultimately given you think the rise of veganism is bad, that you want the government to have a list of proscribed diets. Don't you think that could be construed as being just a teeny bit, well, 'extremist'? I don't see the poster even suggesting that the government is responsible for the rise in veganism, let alone that they should do something about it. Don't you think your a teeny bit, well, overreacting? To paraphrase.... Wokeism is preventing the govt from delivering policies people want. What sort of wokeism? Veganism. If veganism isn't a problem for govt why mention it as something holding the govt back from delivering policy? Paraphrasing to the extreme whilst ignoring all of his other points. Yeah, I'd say that's the exact problem with paraphrasing, there's zero context. You do know he spoke of the police and education system before he even mentioned veganism. By all means pick him up but taking your argument to the extreme certainly looks like petty overreacting. " TBF he topped and tailed the post talking about politics and also suggested noone want veganism (so why is it here then if it isn't forced on us?) It's at best an ambiguos post in itself and in the flow of the thread. I'd say rant rather than conspiracy. | |||
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"The rise of Vegan food, almost like a religion, yet nobody realises that agriculturely, its worse for the environment, given how much farm land is needed to sustain such a lifestyle, that it would seriously affect our wildlife and livestock. Is the rise in veganism a govt policy? Is it being encouraged by tax breaks or grants, are planning laws amended to give priority to arable farms? Or are some people, for whatever reason increasingly choosing not to eat meat? It's the latter clearly. Which means that ultimately given you think the rise of veganism is bad, that you want the government to have a list of proscribed diets. Don't you think that could be construed as being just a teeny bit, well, 'extremist'? I don't see the poster even suggesting that the government is responsible for the rise in veganism, let alone that they should do something about it. Don't you think your a teeny bit, well, overreacting? To paraphrase.... Wokeism is preventing the govt from delivering policies people want. What sort of wokeism? Veganism. If veganism isn't a problem for govt why mention it as something holding the govt back from delivering policy? Paraphrasing to the extreme whilst ignoring all of his other points. Yeah, I'd say that's the exact problem with paraphrasing, there's zero context. You do know he spoke of the police and education system before he even mentioned veganism. By all means pick him up but taking your argument to the extreme certainly looks like petty overreacting. TBF he topped and tailed the post talking about politics and also suggested noone want veganism (so why is it here then if it isn't forced on us?) It's at best an ambiguos post in itself and in the flow of the thread. I'd say rant rather than conspiracy. " I agree, that's why I said pick him up but I think the poster has 'paraphrased' quite sensationally there. | |||
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"The rise of Vegan food, almost like a religion, yet nobody realises that agriculturely, its worse for the environment, given how much farm land is needed to sustain such a lifestyle, that it would seriously affect our wildlife and livestock. Is the rise in veganism a govt policy? Is it being encouraged by tax breaks or grants, are planning laws amended to give priority to arable farms? Or are some people, for whatever reason increasingly choosing not to eat meat? It's the latter clearly. Which means that ultimately given you think the rise of veganism is bad, that you want the government to have a list of proscribed diets. Don't you think that could be construed as being just a teeny bit, well, 'extremist'? I don't see the poster even suggesting that the government is responsible for the rise in veganism, let alone that they should do something about it. Don't you think your a teeny bit, well, overreacting? To paraphrase.... Wokeism is preventing the govt from delivering policies people want. What sort of wokeism? Veganism. If veganism isn't a problem for govt why mention it as something holding the govt back from delivering policy? Paraphrasing to the extreme whilst ignoring all of his other points. Yeah, I'd say that's the exact problem with paraphrasing, there's zero context. You do know he spoke of the police and education system before he even mentioned veganism. By all means pick him up but taking your argument to the extreme certainly looks like petty overreacting. TBF he topped and tailed the post talking about politics and also suggested noone want veganism (so why is it here then if it isn't forced on us?) It's at best an ambiguos post in itself and in the flow of the thread. I'd say rant rather than conspiracy. I agree, that's why I said pick him up but I think the poster has 'paraphrased' quite sensationally there." fair, on both points. | |||
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"Most studies I've read on the subject say that livestock farming is less efficient than crop agriculture. Requiring more land for the equivalent nutritional output. Here is a quote While animal agriculture generates about $35 billion more than plant agriculture, the expenses generated by animal agriculture are considerably higher—about $55.8 billion more than in plant farming. Based on these numbers, the report concludes that “plant-based agriculture grows 512% more pounds of food than animal-based agriculture on 69% of the mass of land that animal-based agriculture uses.”" All of that is absolutely true, and also completely misleading. Growing plants for human consumption is indeed more efficient than feeding plants to animals and then eating them. It uses less land for the equivalent nutritional output. The catch is that at present much of the land we use for rearing animals is laid to grass. Grass is hardy, easy to grow, tolerant of all kinds of problems, and completely inedible for humans. Happily we have sheep and cows that can turn that grass into delicious human-edible protein. If we wanted to move to a plant based diet, we'd have to get rid of all that grassland, and plant some more usable crop. That would mean much more intensive farming, because human-edible crops are more difficult to grow. It would also mean no more cows (or horses), because there wouldn't be any more grass for them to eat. | |||
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"Most studies I've read on the subject say that livestock farming is less efficient than crop agriculture. Requiring more land for the equivalent nutritional output. Here is a quote While animal agriculture generates about $35 billion more than plant agriculture, the expenses generated by animal agriculture are considerably higher—about $55.8 billion more than in plant farming. Based on these numbers, the report concludes that “plant-based agriculture grows 512% more pounds of food than animal-based agriculture on 69% of the mass of land that animal-based agriculture uses.” All of that is absolutely true, and also completely misleading. Growing plants for human consumption is indeed more efficient than feeding plants to animals and then eating them. It uses less land for the equivalent nutritional output. The catch is that at present much of the land we use for rearing animals is laid to grass. Grass is hardy, easy to grow, tolerant of all kinds of problems, and completely inedible for humans. Happily we have sheep and cows that can turn that grass into delicious human-edible protein. If we wanted to move to a plant based diet, we'd have to get rid of all that grassland, and plant some more usable crop. That would mean much more intensive farming, because human-edible crops are more difficult to grow. It would also mean no more cows (or horses), because there wouldn't be any more grass for them to eat." and probably no more cows as we'd not be breeding them to eat them. | |||
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"The rise of Vegan food, almost like a religion, yet nobody realises that agriculturely, its worse for the environment, given how much farm land is needed to sustain such a lifestyle, that it would seriously affect our wildlife and livestock. Is the rise in veganism a govt policy? Is it being encouraged by tax breaks or grants, are planning laws amended to give priority to arable farms? Or are some people, for whatever reason increasingly choosing not to eat meat? It's the latter clearly. Which means that ultimately given you think the rise of veganism is bad, that you want the government to have a list of proscribed diets. Don't you think that could be construed as being just a teeny bit, well, 'extremist'? I don't see the poster even suggesting that the government is responsible for the rise in veganism, let alone that they should do something about it. Don't you think your a teeny bit, well, overreacting? To paraphrase.... Wokeism is preventing the govt from delivering policies people want. What sort of wokeism? Veganism. If veganism isn't a problem for govt why mention it as something holding the govt back from delivering policy? Paraphrasing to the extreme whilst ignoring all of his other points. Yeah, I'd say that's the exact problem with paraphrasing, there's zero context. You do know he spoke of the police and education system before he even mentioned veganism. By all means pick him up but taking your argument to the extreme certainly looks like petty overreacting. " Do I have to reply to every point in a post? The poster said wokeism was holding the government back from implementing policies and gave veganism as an example of a woke problem. | |||
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"Most studies I've read on the subject say that livestock farming is less efficient than crop agriculture. Requiring more land for the equivalent nutritional output. Here is a quote While animal agriculture generates about $35 billion more than plant agriculture, the expenses generated by animal agriculture are considerably higher—about $55.8 billion more than in plant farming. Based on these numbers, the report concludes that “plant-based agriculture grows 512% more pounds of food than animal-based agriculture on 69% of the mass of land that animal-based agriculture uses.” All of that is absolutely true, and also completely misleading. Growing plants for human consumption is indeed more efficient than feeding plants to animals and then eating them. It uses less land for the equivalent nutritional output. The catch is that at present much of the land we use for rearing animals is laid to grass. Grass is hardy, easy to grow, tolerant of all kinds of problems, and completely inedible for humans. Happily we have sheep and cows that can turn that grass into delicious human-edible protein. If we wanted to move to a plant based diet, we'd have to get rid of all that grassland, and plant some more usable crop. That would mean much more intensive farming, because human-edible crops are more difficult to grow. It would also mean no more cows (or horses), because there wouldn't be any more grass for them to eat." Advances in technology means a lot of plant food can be grown indoors using minimum water, soil and artificial light. | |||
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"Most studies I've read on the subject say that livestock farming is less efficient than crop agriculture. Requiring more land for the equivalent nutritional output. Here is a quote While animal agriculture generates about $35 billion more than plant agriculture, the expenses generated by animal agriculture are considerably higher—about $55.8 billion more than in plant farming. Based on these numbers, the report concludes that “plant-based agriculture grows 512% more pounds of food than animal-based agriculture on 69% of the mass of land that animal-based agriculture uses.”" "All of that is absolutely true, and also completely misleading. Growing plants for human consumption is indeed more efficient than feeding plants to animals and then eating them. It uses less land for the equivalent nutritional output. The catch is that at present much of the land we use for rearing animals is laid to grass. Grass is hardy, easy to grow, tolerant of all kinds of problems, and completely inedible for humans. Happily we have sheep and cows that can turn that grass into delicious human-edible protein. If we wanted to move to a plant based diet, we'd have to get rid of all that grassland, and plant some more usable crop. That would mean much more intensive farming, because human-edible crops are more difficult to grow. It would also mean no more cows (or horses), because there wouldn't be any more grass for them to eat." "Advances in technology means a lot of plant food can be grown indoors using minimum water, soil and artificial light." This is true. The plants can even be stacked, to take up less room. But we'd still need an awful lot of buildings to supply enough food for every human in the country. Do we really want to save the planet by covering it in buildings? Is it really greener to construct all of these food factories and grow food under artificial light, or would it be better to just put some cows in a field? | |||
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"The rise of Vegan food, almost like a religion, yet nobody realises that agriculturely, its worse for the environment, given how much farm land is needed to sustain such a lifestyle, that it would seriously affect our wildlife and livestock. Is the rise in veganism a govt policy? Is it being encouraged by tax breaks or grants, are planning laws amended to give priority to arable farms? Or are some people, for whatever reason increasingly choosing not to eat meat? It's the latter clearly. Which means that ultimately given you think the rise of veganism is bad, that you want the government to have a list of proscribed diets. Don't you think that could be construed as being just a teeny bit, well, 'extremist'? I don't see the poster even suggesting that the government is responsible for the rise in veganism, let alone that they should do something about it. Don't you think your a teeny bit, well, overreacting? To paraphrase.... Wokeism is preventing the govt from delivering policies people want. What sort of wokeism? Veganism. If veganism isn't a problem for govt why mention it as something holding the govt back from delivering policy? Paraphrasing to the extreme whilst ignoring all of his other points. Yeah, I'd say that's the exact problem with paraphrasing, there's zero context. You do know he spoke of the police and education system before he even mentioned veganism. By all means pick him up but taking your argument to the extreme certainly looks like petty overreacting. Do I have to reply to every point in a post? The poster said wokeism was holding the government back from implementing policies and gave veganism as an example of a woke problem." Of course you don't. You be you | |||
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"Most studies I've read on the subject say that livestock farming is less efficient than crop agriculture. Requiring more land for the equivalent nutritional output. Here is a quote While animal agriculture generates about $35 billion more than plant agriculture, the expenses generated by animal agriculture are considerably higher—about $55.8 billion more than in plant farming. Based on these numbers, the report concludes that “plant-based agriculture grows 512% more pounds of food than animal-based agriculture on 69% of the mass of land that animal-based agriculture uses.” All of that is absolutely true, and also completely misleading. Growing plants for human consumption is indeed more efficient than feeding plants to animals and then eating them. It uses less land for the equivalent nutritional output. The catch is that at present much of the land we use for rearing animals is laid to grass. Grass is hardy, easy to grow, tolerant of all kinds of problems, and completely inedible for humans. Happily we have sheep and cows that can turn that grass into delicious human-edible protein. If we wanted to move to a plant based diet, we'd have to get rid of all that grassland, and plant some more usable crop. That would mean much more intensive farming, because human-edible crops are more difficult to grow. It would also mean no more cows (or horses), because there wouldn't be any more grass for them to eat. Advances in technology means a lot of plant food can be grown indoors using minimum water, soil and artificial light. This is true. The plants can even be stacked, to take up less room. But we'd still need an awful lot of buildings to supply enough food for every human in the country. Do we really want to save the planet by covering it in buildings? Is it really greener to construct all of these food factories and grow food under artificial light, or would it be better to just put some cows in a field?" The meat and dairy industries already take up 30% of global land. As recently has 2009, 80% of deforestation was caused by land clearance for cattle grazing. Plant and cellular based food is the only sustainable future. | |||
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"This is crux of the problem with conservatives and why people are so tired of 13 years of a tory government. They are too focused on combating imaginary threats, instead of actually fixing real world problems. We have interest rate going up, less money in people’s pockets because of inflation, our public services being underfunded and undermined. Raw sewage is being poured into our rivers and seas. For many people it’s great to escape these actual problems and bury themselves in a world of irrelevant and frankly meaningless talking points spouted by “commentators” who wouldn’t be let near the reins of government and are bitter about that fact. The tories have indeed lost their way, and this infighting only serves to show that they are not in step with with the wider electorate anymore. People are frustrated and rightly so. " I think you are blaming the thing you despise, the tory government, rather than addressing what the poster was actually calling out. | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems!" They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , " What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it?" Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak " I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing?" Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak "Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain? Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong? | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?"He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel "I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence. Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing. | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing. "These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn "You nearly had me lost for words, nearly 
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn "Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak. | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
You nearly had me lost for words, nearly
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak."Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him? | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him? "As I said, never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak. I have no idea what he's doing but I do know that he's ignoring the noise and doing the job, which is exactly what a good PM should be doing. | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him?
As I said, never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
I have no idea what he's doing but I do know that he's ignoring the noise and doing the job, which is exactly what a good PM should be doing."He is failing at the job, he is failing in all 5 of his pledges and he is letting a small but vocal group within his party openly criticise him. Weak | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him?
As I said, never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
I have no idea what he's doing but I do know that he's ignoring the noise and doing the job, which is exactly what a good PM should be doing.
He is failing at the job, he is failing in all 5 of his pledges and he is letting a small but vocal group within his party openly criticise him. Weak "Plus, the Tories have recently lost over 1,000 councillors | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him?
As I said, never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
I have no idea what he's doing but I do know that he's ignoring the noise and doing the job, which is exactly what a good PM should be doing.
He is failing at the job, he is failing in all 5 of his pledges and he is letting a small but vocal group within his party openly criticise him. Weak "4 months in and he's 'failing'. Fuck me, wheres your magic wand? You keep saying he's weak, prove it. How do you know he's 'letting' them openly criticise him? Ever thought that maybe he's deciding not to give them the attention they so desperately crave? | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him?
As I said, never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
I have no idea what he's doing but I do know that he's ignoring the noise and doing the job, which is exactly what a good PM should be doing.
He is failing at the job, he is failing in all 5 of his pledges and he is letting a small but vocal group within his party openly criticise him. Weak
4 months in and he's 'failing'. Fuck me, wheres your magic wand?
You keep saying he's weak, prove it.
How do you know he's 'letting' them openly criticise him? Ever thought that maybe he's deciding not to give them the attention they so desperately crave?"He has been PM for nearly 6 months, he must be letting them as they are openly doing it with absolutely repercussions, he is weak | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him?
As I said, never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
I have no idea what he's doing but I do know that he's ignoring the noise and doing the job, which is exactly what a good PM should be doing.
He is failing at the job, he is failing in all 5 of his pledges and he is letting a small but vocal group within his party openly criticise him. Weak
4 months in and he's 'failing'. Fuck me, wheres your magic wand?
You keep saying he's weak, prove it.
How do you know he's 'letting' them openly criticise him? Ever thought that maybe he's deciding not to give them the attention they so desperately crave?
He has been PM for nearly 6 months, he must be letting them as they are openly doing it with absolutely repercussions, he is weak "He announced his pledges in January. I love how you just keep repeating the same line. Do you have proof that he is weak? Actual proof? | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him? "You are looking in the wrong direction... The conservative Democrats are the ones openly criticising him, booing him at their group conference in Bournemouth. Go look that up and you will see who they are and what they want, it will start to put things into perspective. Sunak being weak is not true, no matter how many times you say it. He has removed the influence of the ERG for a start, he has built relations with the EU all of which came off the back of the Windsor agreement. He has resisted a huge amount of pressure to bin over 600 EU laws, going against the former government leadership and cabinet. He has delivered a calmness to the day to day running of the country, ministers are getting on with their jobs. There are cracks in the civil service that he is working on repairing, Raab and Mogg at the centre of Westminster blob issues, one has resigned and the other well you know, he is digging in... Patel is Johnson's puppet, she has the knives out along with the other Johnson supporters who have switched from ERG which is no longer effective, to Conservative Democrats. They are hitting hard and low off and Sunak is going about business, as he should be. Leading not getting drawn into disputes with the dinosaurs. | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him?
You are looking in the wrong direction... The conservative Democrats are the ones openly criticising him, booing him at their group conference in Bournemouth.
Go look that up and you will see who they are and what they want, it will start to put things into perspective.
Sunak being weak is not true, no matter how many times you say it.
He has removed the influence of the ERG for a start, he has built relations with the EU all of which came off the back of the Windsor agreement. He has resisted a huge amount of pressure to bin over 600 EU laws, going against the former government leadership and cabinet.
He has delivered a calmness to the day to day running of the country, ministers are getting on with their jobs. There are cracks in the civil service that he is working on repairing, Raab and Mogg at the centre of Westminster blob issues, one has resigned and the other well you know, he is digging in...
Patel is Johnson's puppet, she has the knives out along with the other Johnson supporters who have switched from ERG which is no longer effective, to Conservative Democrats. They are hitting hard and low off and Sunak is going about business, as he should be. Leading not getting drawn into disputes with the dinosaurs.
"A strong PM wouldn’t let this happen, a strong PM would never be attacked like this, the NAT CS can see he is weak, and are acting accordingly. | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him?
You are looking in the wrong direction... The conservative Democrats are the ones openly criticising him, booing him at their group conference in Bournemouth.
Go look that up and you will see who they are and what they want, it will start to put things into perspective.
Sunak being weak is not true, no matter how many times you say it.
He has removed the influence of the ERG for a start, he has built relations with the EU all of which came off the back of the Windsor agreement. He has resisted a huge amount of pressure to bin over 600 EU laws, going against the former government leadership and cabinet.
He has delivered a calmness to the day to day running of the country, ministers are getting on with their jobs. There are cracks in the civil service that he is working on repairing, Raab and Mogg at the centre of Westminster blob issues, one has resigned and the other well you know, he is digging in...
Patel is Johnson's puppet, she has the knives out along with the other Johnson supporters who have switched from ERG which is no longer effective, to Conservative Democrats. They are hitting hard and low off and Sunak is going about business, as he should be. Leading not getting drawn into disputes with the dinosaurs.
A strong PM wouldn’t let this happen, a strong PM would never be attacked like this, the NAT CS can see he is weak, and are acting accordingly. "Did you actually read what was written? You seem stuck in some kind of loop repeating the same thing over and over, it lacks context. If he put them in detention, would that be of help? | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him?
You are looking in the wrong direction... The conservative Democrats are the ones openly criticising him, booing him at their group conference in Bournemouth.
Go look that up and you will see who they are and what they want, it will start to put things into perspective.
Sunak being weak is not true, no matter how many times you say it.
He has removed the influence of the ERG for a start, he has built relations with the EU all of which came off the back of the Windsor agreement. He has resisted a huge amount of pressure to bin over 600 EU laws, going against the former government leadership and cabinet.
He has delivered a calmness to the day to day running of the country, ministers are getting on with their jobs. There are cracks in the civil service that he is working on repairing, Raab and Mogg at the centre of Westminster blob issues, one has resigned and the other well you know, he is digging in...
Patel is Johnson's puppet, she has the knives out along with the other Johnson supporters who have switched from ERG which is no longer effective, to Conservative Democrats. They are hitting hard and low off and Sunak is going about business, as he should be. Leading not getting drawn into disputes with the dinosaurs.
A strong PM wouldn’t let this happen, a strong PM would never be attacked like this, the NAT CS can see he is weak, and are acting accordingly.
Did you actually read what was written? You seem stuck in some kind of loop repeating the same thing over and over, it lacks context.
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him?
You are looking in the wrong direction... The conservative Democrats are the ones openly criticising him, booing him at their group conference in Bournemouth.
Go look that up and you will see who they are and what they want, it will start to put things into perspective.
Sunak being weak is not true, no matter how many times you say it.
He has removed the influence of the ERG for a start, he has built relations with the EU all of which came off the back of the Windsor agreement. He has resisted a huge amount of pressure to bin over 600 EU laws, going against the former government leadership and cabinet.
He has delivered a calmness to the day to day running of the country, ministers are getting on with their jobs. There are cracks in the civil service that he is working on repairing, Raab and Mogg at the centre of Westminster blob issues, one has resigned and the other well you know, he is digging in...
Patel is Johnson's puppet, she has the knives out along with the other Johnson supporters who have switched from ERG which is no longer effective, to Conservative Democrats. They are hitting hard and low off and Sunak is going about business, as he should be. Leading not getting drawn into disputes with the dinosaurs.
A strong PM wouldn’t let this happen, a strong PM would never be attacked like this, the NAT CS can see he is weak, and are acting accordingly.
Did you actually read what was written? You seem stuck in some kind of loop repeating the same thing over and over, it lacks context.
If he put them in detention, would that be of help?
If he was strong they would never have said it in the first place , it really is that simple "Like Putin you mean? | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him?
You are looking in the wrong direction... The conservative Democrats are the ones openly criticising him, booing him at their group conference in Bournemouth.
Go look that up and you will see who they are and what they want, it will start to put things into perspective.
Sunak being weak is not true, no matter how many times you say it.
He has removed the influence of the ERG for a start, he has built relations with the EU all of which came off the back of the Windsor agreement. He has resisted a huge amount of pressure to bin over 600 EU laws, going against the former government leadership and cabinet.
He has delivered a calmness to the day to day running of the country, ministers are getting on with their jobs. There are cracks in the civil service that he is working on repairing, Raab and Mogg at the centre of Westminster blob issues, one has resigned and the other well you know, he is digging in...
Patel is Johnson's puppet, she has the knives out along with the other Johnson supporters who have switched from ERG which is no longer effective, to Conservative Democrats. They are hitting hard and low off and Sunak is going about business, as he should be. Leading not getting drawn into disputes with the dinosaurs.
A strong PM wouldn’t let this happen, a strong PM would never be attacked like this, the NAT CS can see he is weak, and are acting accordingly.
Did you actually read what was written? You seem stuck in some kind of loop repeating the same thing over and over, it lacks context.
If he put them in detention, would that be of help?
If he was strong they would never have said it in the first place , it really is that simple
Like Putin you mean?"No, nothing like Putin, he is weak, that is why he is being openly attacked by his ‘own party’ . If he can’t control his own party how can he be expected to run the country, | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him?
You are looking in the wrong direction... The conservative Democrats are the ones openly criticising him, booing him at their group conference in Bournemouth.
Go look that up and you will see who they are and what they want, it will start to put things into perspective.
Sunak being weak is not true, no matter how many times you say it.
He has removed the influence of the ERG for a start, he has built relations with the EU all of which came off the back of the Windsor agreement. He has resisted a huge amount of pressure to bin over 600 EU laws, going against the former government leadership and cabinet.
He has delivered a calmness to the day to day running of the country, ministers are getting on with their jobs. There are cracks in the civil service that he is working on repairing, Raab and Mogg at the centre of Westminster blob issues, one has resigned and the other well you know, he is digging in...
Patel is Johnson's puppet, she has the knives out along with the other Johnson supporters who have switched from ERG which is no longer effective, to Conservative Democrats. They are hitting hard and low off and Sunak is going about business, as he should be. Leading not getting drawn into disputes with the dinosaurs.
A strong PM wouldn’t let this happen, a strong PM would never be attacked like this, the NAT CS can see he is weak, and are acting accordingly.
Did you actually read what was written? You seem stuck in some kind of loop repeating the same thing over and over, it lacks context.
If he put them in detention, would that be of help?
If he was strong they would never have said it in the first place , it really is that simple
Like Putin you mean?
No, nothing like Putin, he is weak, that is why he is being openly attacked by his ‘own party’ . If he can’t control his own party how can he be expected to run the country, "There has been a problem to continue please select all the images that contain cars: | |||
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"So...”National Conservatism” not even trying to hide their political leanings and heritage now it seems! They are attacking Sunak and he is doing nothing about it, weak leadership , What makes you think he is doing nothing about it? Tell me what he has done about it? He is weak I'm not the one saying he has or he hasn't. What makes you think he has done nothing? Because he is letting it happen, JRM, Braverman, Patel, all attacking him, he is weak
Not sure about Braverman, I might have missed something there, can you explain?
Mogg and Patel, what do expect him to do, what would make him look strong?
He would publicly criticise avd refute what they are saying, they are making him look weak. Braverman is undermining him by being associated with JRM and Patel
I think you might be cherry picking events or stories to make a point of Sunak being weak, you say it a lot, but never have anything concrete to provide in terms of evidence.
Contrary to your views, evidence is out there showing he has taken control with some smart political moves. The old guard are not happy stuck on the fringes, hence the noise and timing.
These ‘National Conservatives’ are openly attacking him, he is doing nothing, he looks weak , he should take a look at the way SKS dealt with Corbyn
Never confuse loud as strong and quiet as weak.
Can you explain what he is doing about the Nat Cs openly criticising him?
You are looking in the wrong direction... The conservative Democrats are the ones openly criticising him, booing him at their group conference in Bournemouth.
Go look that up and you will see who they are and what they want, it will start to put things into perspective.
Sunak being weak is not true, no matter how many times you say it.
He has removed the influence of the ERG for a start, he has built relations with the EU all of which came off the back of the Windsor agreement. He has resisted a huge amount of pressure to bin over 600 EU laws, going against the former government leadership and cabinet.
He has delivered a calmness to the day to day running of the country, ministers are getting on with their jobs. There are cracks in the civil service that he is working on repairing, Raab and Mogg at the centre of Westminster blob issues, one has resigned and the other well you know, he is digging in...
Patel is Johnson's puppet, she has the knives out along with the other Johnson supporters who have switched from ERG which is no longer effective, to Conservative Democrats. They are hitting hard and low off and Sunak is going about business, as he should be. Leading not getting drawn into disputes with the dinosaurs.
A strong PM wouldn’t let this happen, a strong PM would never be attacked like this, the NAT CS can see he is weak, and are acting accordingly.
Did you actually read what was written? You seem stuck in some kind of loop repeating the same thing over and over, it lacks context.
If he put them in detention, would that be of help?
If he was strong they would never have said it in the first place , it really is that simple
Like Putin you mean?
No, nothing like Putin, he is weak, that is why he is being openly attacked by his ‘own party’ . If he can’t control his own party how can he be expected to run the country,
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"There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that we should move to plant based food given the current population. Worldwide population is on the decline, given couples are having kids later in life or not at all. World population is increasing at an ever faster rate. You may want to double check your data." Quantum computers could provide us a solution to more efficient, less polluting foods | |||
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"With the greatest respect, have you ever watched House of cards? The political system is a game of chess for personal ambition and fortune to the very top. The only way control in politics is ever achievable, is if you have enough ammunition to either force the individual/individuals out of office, or have enough on them to keep them quiet. Everybody can argue certain things that are personal to them (as commented in earlier threads) but the real truth of everything is that nothing will change, unless it has any bearing on the progression of politicians. Say to yourself, hand on heart, do you actually give a shit about anyone else on here or in the area /country you live in? The simple answer is no! Of course we're all nice people and we mean no harm, but when you have millions in the bank, a target of success to reach, you do not give 2 shits about how you get there, as long as you get there. That is why there will always be a divide between the rich and poor and rightly so, only those that force change, get the change they want. The point is, no matter what government is in power, there will always be a power struggle, because every individual wants top spot and fortune, in all aspects of life. We elect our politicians. If you want to make real change, spoil your paper at the next election and show that you want real change, show the elected that society should dictate what happens, not politicians using the population for there own gain. If things continue the way they are, it would not be a surprise if we go through another great depression, similar to the late 20s " Spoiling your ballot will not inact change, if nobody registered their interest to vote ie nobody was interested, would there still be an election of a general. | |||
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"There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that we should move to plant based food given the current population. Worldwide population is on the decline, given couples are having kids later in life or not at all." This is abject nonsense | |||
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"What course of action, in real terms would be best for Sunak with this new group?. Apart from putting forward his own views on the issues which of course does not stop anything, it just gives his view. I think if he somehow bans them from such things then that could look like stifling free speech and not allowing others to have another point of view. He could condemn them, the fact they are brazenly saying these things proves he is weak "That is just giving his opinion which is unlikely to be news to anyone. They are entitled to say these things. I don't think Sunak condemning them will make him look strong in the slightest. Worse still it may encourage them to do it more | |||
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