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"So how are you intending to do that then?" Drink more tea and have a moan while watching the telly | |||
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"So how are you intending to do that then?" I think you need to be more specific. How am I intending to do what? | |||
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"So how are you intending to do that then? Drink more tea and have a moan while watching the telly" If it's Yorkshire Tea and there's some shortbread biscuits too, that's a good start. !  | |||
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"So how are you intending to do that then? I think you need to be more specific. How am I intending to do what?" You have just expressed in quite grandiloquent terms that you feel that you are at the forefront of a global ideological battle. Our values are at risk. That you can take it no longer and feel that it's time for you to take a stand and rise up. I was just querying what you are actually intending to do, practically speaking. I'm sure there are others in the Forum who may follow you if you can articulate practical action this day. | |||
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"Surely best way to stop this is don't vote conservative?" Yes but it needs more than just that. We need to show that current brand of National Conservatism is not the same thing as the "Conservative & Liberal" party that was formed in the 1920s. We need to show and argue that the current enthesis on nationalism and phoney culture wars are the route cause of why we (the country) is where we are now. We need to point out that just putting the word "National" in front of "Conservative" doesn't make what they want to do actually conservative any more than sticking the word "National" in front of "Socialist" made that socialist. | |||
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"So how are you intending to do that then? I think you need to be more specific. How am I intending to do what? You have just expressed in quite grandiloquent terms that you feel that you are at the forefront of a global ideological battle. Our values are at risk. That you can take it no longer and feel that it's time for you to take a stand and rise up. I was just querying what you are actually intending to do, practically speaking. I'm sure there are others in the Forum who may follow you if you can articulate practical action this day." To not vote Conservative would be a good start, but then you would also need to make sure that you don’t get triggered by words and phrases like: Immigrants Small boats Invasion Muslim terror threat And similar. Basically - just be a bit more tolerant, a bit more pragmatic and be more aware of social injustices - particularly around issues to do with racism. | |||
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"So how are you intending to do that then? I think you need to be more specific. How am I intending to do what? You have just expressed in quite grandiloquent terms that you feel that you are at the forefront of a global ideological battle. Our values are at risk. That you can take it no longer and feel that it's time for you to take a stand and rise up. I was just querying what you are actually intending to do, practically speaking. I'm sure there are others in the Forum who may follow you if you can articulate practical action this day." I don't actually see myself as some sort of Robespierre figure at the forefront of a grand ideological struggle. I just see myself as normal, middle of the road, live and let live kind off person. I believe that's where most people are too. All I'm trying to do here is point out the "National Conservatism" increasingly being practiced by the Conservative Party and other formally right of centre liberal parties across Europe and North America is not the same thing as the conservatives we knew before. That, in the case of the UK, they no longer stand for what I consider to be true British vales of democracy, freedom and tolerance, that pursuit of their nationalist, economic and cultural agenda will be both harmful and dangerous for Britain, its people and its comunities. | |||
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"So how are you intending to do that then? I think you need to be more specific. How am I intending to do what? You have just expressed in quite grandiloquent terms that you feel that you are at the forefront of a global ideological battle. Our values are at risk. That you can take it no longer and feel that it's time for you to take a stand and rise up. I was just querying what you are actually intending to do, practically speaking. I'm sure there are others in the Forum who may follow you if you can articulate practical action this day. To not vote Conservative would be a good start, but then you would also need to make sure that you don’t get triggered by words and phrases like: Immigrants Small boats Invasion Muslim terror threat And similar. Basically - just be a bit more tolerant, a bit more pragmatic and be more aware of social injustices - particularly around issues to do with racism." Do the Conservative Party have any economic or cultural agenda? Their economic policies I would say are broadly socialist. As far as culture is concerned they are entirely reacting in a fairly incoherent and ineffectual way to the Liberal Left's "woke" agenda. | |||
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"Still going to fly my flag and follow the constitution as it was written. ' murica "Trump v Biden 2 is going to be quite the show. | |||
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Trump v Biden 2 is going to be quite the show."Too early to tell. But it's going to be a election year. You have to prepare for the insanity. | |||
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"So how are you intending to do that then? I think you need to be more specific. How am I intending to do what? You have just expressed in quite grandiloquent terms that you feel that you are at the forefront of a global ideological battle. Our values are at risk. That you can take it no longer and feel that it's time for you to take a stand and rise up. I was just querying what you are actually intending to do, practically speaking. I'm sure there are others in the Forum who may follow you if you can articulate practical action this day. To not vote Conservative would be a good start, but then you would also need to make sure that you don’t get triggered by words and phrases like: Immigrants Small boats Invasion Muslim terror threat And similar. Basically - just be a bit more tolerant, a bit more pragmatic and be more aware of social injustices - particularly around issues to do with racism." So basically not vote Conservative and spend all day worrying about racism. The Forces of Darkness must be very afraid. | |||
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"So how are you intending to do that then? I think you need to be more specific. How am I intending to do what? You have just expressed in quite grandiloquent terms that you feel that you are at the forefront of a global ideological battle. Our values are at risk. That you can take it no longer and feel that it's time for you to take a stand and rise up. I was just querying what you are actually intending to do, practically speaking. I'm sure there are others in the Forum who may follow you if you can articulate practical action this day. To not vote Conservative would be a good start, but then you would also need to make sure that you don’t get triggered by words and phrases like: Immigrants Small boats Invasion Muslim terror threat And similar. Basically - just be a bit more tolerant, a bit more pragmatic and be more aware of social injustices - particularly around issues to do with racism. Do the Conservative Party have any economic or cultural agenda? Their economic policies I would say are broadly socialist. As far as culture is concerned they are entirely reacting in a fairly incoherent and ineffectual way to the Liberal Left's "woke" agenda." It seems you're overlooking the substantial shift in the Conservative Party's policies and rhetoric in recent years. While you claim their economic policies are broadly socialist and their cultural stance is merely a reaction to the Liberal Left's "woke" agenda, the evidence suggests otherwise. Let's be clear on this: Immigration and border control: The Conservative Party has ramped up its focus on strict immigration policies and border control measures, such as unnecessary and bureaucratic passport checks between Britain and the EU the and their aggressive approach to handling small boats crossing the English Channel. This isn't just about "reacting" to the Liberal Left – it's a clear embrace of exclusionary National Conservative values. Law and order: The Conservative Party's tough-on-crime stance, including expanded police powers, restricting the right to peaceful protest and advocating for longer prison sentences, is another indication of their National Conservative shift. It's not simply about maintaining social and cultural norms – it's about consolidating power and control. Education: The Conservative Party's push for a traditional British history curriculum in schools and its opposition to the teaching of any critical history isn't just a knee-jerk reaction to the "woke" agenda. It's a calculated move to promote a narrow interpretation of national identity and history that sidelines diverse and inclusive perspectives. Brexit: The Brexit campaign and the Conservative Party's subsequent handling of the UK's exit from the European Union reveal their growing obsession with national sovereignty and self-determination – central tenets of National Conservatism. So it's not just about semantics or reacting to the Liberal Left. The Conservative Party's policies demonstrate a significant shift towards National Conservatism, and it's our duty as citizens to call it out and resist the exclusionary, divisive consequences that come with it. | |||
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"A Stark Warning National Conservatism's Threat to Liberalism and One Nation Conservatives A a liberal or one nation conservative, we prided ourselves on our commitment to individual liberties, open and free markets, and a liberal democracy as the values and the very essence of what defined us and our nation as British. However, there is an insidious ideology lurking in our political landscape that threatens to undermine these very principles: That threat is "National Conservatism". You may not have heard of "National Conservatism" yet but, if we don't stop it now, you will have soon enough. But by then it may be too late. National Conservatism has already gained a foothold in the UK, the US, and Europe, masquerading as a defender of conservative or traditinal values while emphasizing national identity and patriotism. It is imperative that we expose the true dangers concealed within this ideology These dangers include, but are not limited to: 1. Loss of individual liberties: National Conservatism's insistence on a strong central government to enforce national identity and traditional values puts our hard-won individual freedoms and democratic principles at grave risk. 2. Divisiveness and discrimination: The emphasis on national identity and cultural unity in National Conservatism breeds exclusion and marginalization, targeting minority groups and immigrants, and tearing apart the very fabric of our diverse communities. 3. Obstructing progress: National Conservatism's stubborn resistance to any change stifles social and political reform, leaving us all ill-equipped to address the challenges of a rapidly evolving world. 4. Economic consequences: The protectionist policies promoted by National Conservatives threaten to further damage our international trade and stifle economic growth, further jeopardizing our nation's prosperity. We have seen how the rise of National Conservatism has already inflicted deep divisions and political turmoil in the UK, US and parts of Europe. We cannot afford to continue to let this happen. As responsible liberals and one nation conservatives, it is our duty to confront this dangerous ideology and defend the values of tolerance, inclusivity, and progress. The time for complacency is over. We must stand together and reject National Conservatism, a political force that seeks to erode our liberties, divide our communities, and undermine the very foundations of our democracy. Now is the time. It's our duty to defend what being British really is. " The first thing I suggest you do is defend the use of “S” in words over “Z”. Defend what being British really is, as you put it would be ever so grateful  | |||
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"A Stark Warning National Conservatism's Threat to Liberalism and One Nation Conservatives A a liberal or one nation conservative, we prided ourselves on our commitment to individual liberties, open and free markets, and a liberal democracy as the values and the very essence of what defined us and our nation as British. However, there is an insidious ideology lurking in our political landscape that threatens to undermine these very principles: That threat is "National Conservatism". You may not have heard of "National Conservatism" yet but, if we don't stop it now, you will have soon enough. But by then it may be too late. National Conservatism has already gained a foothold in the UK, the US, and Europe, masquerading as a defender of conservative or traditinal values while emphasizing national identity and patriotism. It is imperative that we expose the true dangers concealed within this ideology These dangers include, but are not limited to: 1. Loss of individual liberties: National Conservatism's insistence on a strong central government to enforce national identity and traditional values puts our hard-won individual freedoms and democratic principles at grave risk. 2. Divisiveness and discrimination: The emphasis on national identity and cultural unity in National Conservatism breeds exclusion and marginalization, targeting minority groups and immigrants, and tearing apart the very fabric of our diverse communities. 3. Obstructing progress: National Conservatism's stubborn resistance to any change stifles social and political reform, leaving us all ill-equipped to address the challenges of a rapidly evolving world. 4. Economic consequences: The protectionist policies promoted by National Conservatives threaten to further damage our international trade and stifle economic growth, further jeopardizing our nation's prosperity. We have seen how the rise of National Conservatism has already inflicted deep divisions and political turmoil in the UK, US and parts of Europe. We cannot afford to continue to let this happen. As responsible liberals and one nation conservatives, it is our duty to confront this dangerous ideology and defend the values of tolerance, inclusivity, and progress. The time for complacency is over. We must stand together and reject National Conservatism, a political force that seeks to erode our liberties, divide our communities, and undermine the very foundations of our democracy. Now is the time. It's our duty to defend what being British really is. The first thing I suggest you do is defend the use of “S” in words over “Z”. Defend what being British really is, as you put it would be ever so grateful "Good spot. Bloody American spell checkers. However, on a purely technical note, it's often not actually incorrect in English English to use a "z" where we customarily use an "s". A bit like spelling grey either "grey" or "gray". | |||
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"A Stark Warning National Conservatism's Threat to Liberalism and One Nation Conservatives A a liberal or one nation conservative, we prided ourselves on our commitment to individual liberties, open and free markets, and a liberal democracy as the values and the very essence of what defined us and our nation as British. However, there is an insidious ideology lurking in our political landscape that threatens to undermine these very principles: That threat is "National Conservatism". You may not have heard of "National Conservatism" yet but, if we don't stop it now, you will have soon enough. But by then it may be too late. National Conservatism has already gained a foothold in the UK, the US, and Europe, masquerading as a defender of conservative or traditinal values while emphasizing national identity and patriotism. It is imperative that we expose the true dangers concealed within this ideology These dangers include, but are not limited to: 1. Loss of individual liberties: National Conservatism's insistence on a strong central government to enforce national identity and traditional values puts our hard-won individual freedoms and democratic principles at grave risk. 2. Divisiveness and discrimination: The emphasis on national identity and cultural unity in National Conservatism breeds exclusion and marginalization, targeting minority groups and immigrants, and tearing apart the very fabric of our diverse communities. 3. Obstructing progress: National Conservatism's stubborn resistance to any change stifles social and political reform, leaving us all ill-equipped to address the challenges of a rapidly evolving world. 4. Economic consequences: The protectionist policies promoted by National Conservatives threaten to further damage our international trade and stifle economic growth, further jeopardizing our nation's prosperity. We have seen how the rise of National Conservatism has already inflicted deep divisions and political turmoil in the UK, US and parts of Europe. We cannot afford to continue to let this happen. As responsible liberals and one nation conservatives, it is our duty to confront this dangerous ideology and defend the values of tolerance, inclusivity, and progress. The time for complacency is over. We must stand together and reject National Conservatism, a political force that seeks to erode our liberties, divide our communities, and undermine the very foundations of our democracy. Now is the time. It's our duty to defend what being British really is. The first thing I suggest you do is defend the use of “S” in words over “Z”. Defend what being British really is, as you put it would be ever so grateful
Good spot. Bloody American spell checkers. However, on a purely technical note, it's often not actually incorrect in English English to use a "z" where we customarily use an "s". A bit like spelling grey either "grey" or "gray"."Your spell checker must have a split personality | |||
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"A Stark Warning National Conservatism's Threat to Liberalism and One Nation Conservatives A a liberal or one nation conservative, we prided ourselves on our commitment to individual liberties, open and free markets, and a liberal democracy as the values and the very essence of what defined us and our nation as British. However, there is an insidious ideology lurking in our political landscape that threatens to undermine these very principles: That threat is "National Conservatism". You may not have heard of "National Conservatism" yet but, if we don't stop it now, you will have soon enough. But by then it may be too late. National Conservatism has already gained a foothold in the UK, the US, and Europe, masquerading as a defender of conservative or traditinal values while emphasizing national identity and patriotism. It is imperative that we expose the true dangers concealed within this ideology These dangers include, but are not limited to: 1. Loss of individual liberties: National Conservatism's insistence on a strong central government to enforce national identity and traditional values puts our hard-won individual freedoms and democratic principles at grave risk. 2. Divisiveness and discrimination: The emphasis on national identity and cultural unity in National Conservatism breeds exclusion and marginalization, targeting minority groups and immigrants, and tearing apart the very fabric of our diverse communities. 3. Obstructing progress: National Conservatism's stubborn resistance to any change stifles social and political reform, leaving us all ill-equipped to address the challenges of a rapidly evolving world. 4. Economic consequences: The protectionist policies promoted by National Conservatives threaten to further damage our international trade and stifle economic growth, further jeopardizing our nation's prosperity. We have seen how the rise of National Conservatism has already inflicted deep divisions and political turmoil in the UK, US and parts of Europe. We cannot afford to continue to let this happen. As responsible liberals and one nation conservatives, it is our duty to confront this dangerous ideology and defend the values of tolerance, inclusivity, and progress. The time for complacency is over. We must stand together and reject National Conservatism, a political force that seeks to erode our liberties, divide our communities, and undermine the very foundations of our democracy. Now is the time. It's our duty to defend what being British really is. The first thing I suggest you do is defend the use of “S” in words over “Z”. Defend what being British really is, as you put it would be ever so grateful " clearly we are one of the most patriotic and nationalistic countries on the planet. We always have been. The " Conservative movement" has always been here. The difference is alot of us don't want to be like other nations. | |||
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"It was a huge culture shock for me going there. I was like expecting the same nationalistic pride as here. Unity for being British. Nope nothing . I see more union jacks on mini Coopers and range rovers here. Why is that ? Seems to me it's a collective ambition to erase the past." You didn't arrive in a world cup or Euro year, that's for sure  | |||
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"So how are you intending to do that then? I think you need to be more specific. How am I intending to do what? You have just expressed in quite grandiloquent terms that you feel that you are at the forefront of a global ideological battle. Our values are at risk. That you can take it no longer and feel that it's time for you to take a stand and rise up. I was just querying what you are actually intending to do, practically speaking. I'm sure there are others in the Forum who may follow you if you can articulate practical action this day. To not vote Conservative would be a good start, but then you would also need to make sure that you don’t get triggered by words and phrases like: Immigrants Small boats Invasion Muslim terror threat And similar. Basically - just be a bit more tolerant, a bit more pragmatic and be more aware of social injustices - particularly around issues to do with racism. Do the Conservative Party have any economic or cultural agenda? Their economic policies I would say are broadly socialist. As far as culture is concerned they are entirely reacting in a fairly incoherent and ineffectual way to the Liberal Left's "woke" agenda. It seems you're overlooking the substantial shift in the Conservative Party's policies and rhetoric in recent years. While you claim their economic policies are broadly socialist and their cultural stance is merely a reaction to the Liberal Left's "woke" agenda, the evidence suggests otherwise. Let's be clear on this: Immigration and border control: The Conservative Party has ramped up its focus on strict immigration policies and border control measures, such as unnecessary and bureaucratic passport checks between Britain and the EU the and their aggressive approach to handling small boats crossing the English Channel. This isn't just about "reacting" to the Liberal Left – it's a clear embrace of exclusionary National Conservative values. Law and order: The Conservative Party's tough-on-crime stance, including expanded police powers, restricting the right to peaceful protest and advocating for longer prison sentences, is another indication of their National Conservative shift. It's not simply about maintaining social and cultural norms – it's about consolidating power and control. Education: The Conservative Party's push for a traditional British history curriculum in schools and its opposition to the teaching of any critical history isn't just a knee-jerk reaction to the "woke" agenda. It's a calculated move to promote a narrow interpretation of national identity and history that sidelines diverse and inclusive perspectives. Brexit: The Brexit campaign and the Conservative Party's subsequent handling of the UK's exit from the European Union reveal their growing obsession with national sovereignty and self-determination – central tenets of National Conservatism. So it's not just about semantics or reacting to the Liberal Left. The Conservative Party's policies demonstrate a significant shift towards National Conservatism, and it's our duty as citizens to call it out and resist the exclusionary, divisive consequences that come with it. " Immigration and border control: net annual immigration currently stands at 540,000. That's the highest it's ever been in the history of the UK. If the Tories are an anti immigrant party they aren't doing a very good job of it. Law and Order: the police are pathetic, they solve about 5% of crimes. They may as well not exist. I mean did you see them running with Sunak's car the other day? Just a bunch of fat oafs. It's just embarrassing. The one plod had given up and was walking. Our enemies must be petrified. If you seriously think anyone is exercising "power" through the police you are kidding yourself: they can't even stop a few middle class trustafarian eco nuts blocking the road. Education: if teachers can be bothered to work, which I admit is a rare thing, they spend all their time brainwashing our kids about s lavery, trans rights, the "climate emergency" etc etc. It's not surprising that we are facing an epidemic of mental health issues. Brexit: I'm sorry you are still struggling to come to terms with having lost a Referendum 7 years ago. Personally I'm disappointed with the 1997 General Election which caused more damage to the country than any other single event in history. But still I try not to let it eat me up every minute of every day. | |||
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"It was a huge culture shock for me going there. I was like expecting the same nationalistic pride as here. Unity for being British. Nope nothing . I see more union jacks on mini Coopers and range rovers here. Why is that ? Seems to me it's a collective ambition to erase the past. You didn't arrive in a world cup or Euro year, that's for sure "it was absolutely strange. Just like I am sure when someone from there comes here and sees American flags flying everywhere. So what happened there? OP mentioned you all must defend. When here the ones defending against big government is the Republicans. So in whoever wrote this piece I call bullshit. | |||
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"It was a huge culture shock for me going there. I was like expecting the same nationalistic pride as here. Unity for being British. Nope nothing . I see more union jacks on mini Coopers and range rovers here. Why is that ? Seems to me it's a collective ambition to erase the past. You didn't arrive in a world cup or Euro year, that's for sure it was absolutely strange. Just like I am sure when someone from there comes here and sees American flags flying everywhere. So what happened there? OP mentioned you all must defend. When here the ones defending against big government is the Republicans. So in whoever wrote this piece I call bullshit. "Your BS detector is in tune with mine | |||
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"Interesting topic though. I am watching a downfall of a once proud full nation. I guess we are next. You might be our 51st state in the future at this pace." We are all more likely to be Chinese provinces I think. | |||
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"Interesting topic though. I am watching a downfall of a once proud full nation. I guess we are next. You might be our 51st state in the future at this pace." The power of social media, weak politicians and divisive corporations | |||
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"It was a huge culture shock for me going there. I was like expecting the same nationalistic pride as here. Unity for being British. Nope nothing . I see more union jacks on mini Coopers and range rovers here. Why is that ? Seems to me it's a collective ambition to erase the past. You didn't arrive in a world cup or Euro year, that's for sure it was absolutely strange. Just like I am sure when someone from there comes here and sees American flags flying everywhere. So what happened there? OP mentioned you all must defend. When here the ones defending against big government is the Republicans. So in whoever wrote this piece I call bullshit.
Your BS detector is in tune with mine "Hence my 2A stance It may be tragic at times but like OP said you have to defend against all enemies forgien and domestic. But that is another discussion. That's one of my "American" attributes. I kind of laughed when OP said you must defend. ( I kind of giggled ecstatically.) | |||
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"Lol we are different nations speak the same language other than that. Completely different. "I lived in the US for a year back in the 80s and regularly returned there on business up until about 2004. I didn't find the flag flying and waving particularly shocking although I did notice that it was quite a lot more prevalent than here in the UK. I actually don't have a problem with waving the flag and will be more than happily waving both Union Jacks and George Crosses over the coming coronation celebrations. It's not the flag or the flag waving that I have a problem with; it's some of the flag wavers waving the flags that I sometimes have a problem with. | |||
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"Lol we are different nations speak the same language other than that. Completely different.
I lived in the US for a year back in the 80s and regularly returned there on business up until about 2004. I didn't find the flag flying and waving particularly shocking although I did notice that it was quite a lot more prevalent than here in the UK. I actually don't have a problem with waving the flag and will be more than happily waving both Union Jacks and George Crosses over the coming coronation celebrations. It's not the flag or the flag waving that I have a problem with; it's some of the flag wavers waving the flags that I sometimes have a problem with."So what is your " Nationalistic" approach? Not identify? | |||
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"So how are you intending to do that then? I think you need to be more specific. How am I intending to do what? You have just expressed in quite grandiloquent terms that you feel that you are at the forefront of a global ideological battle. Our values are at risk. That you can take it no longer and feel that it's time for you to take a stand and rise up. I was just querying what you are actually intending to do, practically speaking. I'm sure there are others in the Forum who may follow you if you can articulate practical action this day. To not vote Conservative would be a good start, but then you would also need to make sure that you don’t get triggered by words and phrases like: Immigrants Small boats Invasion Muslim terror threat And similar. Basically - just be a bit more tolerant, a bit more pragmatic and be more aware of social injustices - particularly around issues to do with racism. Do the Conservative Party have any economic or cultural agenda? Their economic policies I would say are broadly socialist. As far as culture is concerned they are entirely reacting in a fairly incoherent and ineffectual way to the Liberal Left's "woke" agenda. It seems you're overlooking the substantial shift in the Conservative Party's policies and rhetoric in recent years. While you claim their economic policies are broadly socialist and their cultural stance is merely a reaction to the Liberal Left's "woke" agenda, the evidence suggests otherwise. Let's be clear on this: Immigration and border control: The Conservative Party has ramped up its focus on strict immigration policies and border control measures, such as unnecessary and bureaucratic passport checks between Britain and the EU the and their aggressive approach to handling small boats crossing the English Channel. This isn't just about "reacting" to the Liberal Left – it's a clear embrace of exclusionary National Conservative values. Law and order: The Conservative Party's tough-on-crime stance, including expanded police powers, restricting the right to peaceful protest and advocating for longer prison sentences, is another indication of their National Conservative shift. It's not simply about maintaining social and cultural norms – it's about consolidating power and control. Education: The Conservative Party's push for a traditional British history curriculum in schools and its opposition to the teaching of any critical history isn't just a knee-jerk reaction to the "woke" agenda. It's a calculated move to promote a narrow interpretation of national identity and history that sidelines diverse and inclusive perspectives. Brexit: The Brexit campaign and the Conservative Party's subsequent handling of the UK's exit from the European Union reveal their growing obsession with national sovereignty and self-determination – central tenets of National Conservatism. So it's not just about semantics or reacting to the Liberal Left. The Conservative Party's policies demonstrate a significant shift towards National Conservatism, and it's our duty as citizens to call it out and resist the exclusionary, divisive consequences that come with it. Immigration and border control: net annual immigration currently stands at 540,000. That's the highest it's ever been in the history of the UK. If the Tories are an anti immigrant party they aren't doing a very good job of it. Law and Order: the police are pathetic, they solve about 5% of crimes. They may as well not exist. I mean did you see them running with Sunak's car the other day? Just a bunch of fat oafs. It's just embarrassing. The one plod had given up and was walking. Our enemies must be petrified. If you seriously think anyone is exercising "power" through the police you are kidding yourself: they can't even stop a few middle class trustafarian eco nuts blocking the road. Education: if teachers can be bothered to work, which I admit is a rare thing, they spend all their time brainwashing our kids about s lavery, trans rights, the "climate emergency" etc etc. It's not surprising that we are facing an epidemic of mental health issues. Brexit: I'm sorry you are still struggling to come to terms with having lost a Referendum 7 years ago. Personally I'm disappointed with the 1997 General Election which caused more damage to the country than any other single event in history. But still I try not to let it eat me up every minute of every day." Somehow I don't think you're part of my target audience. However, on your responses my thoughts are this. Immigration and Border control: For a government and party that has talked so much about taking back control of our borders and immigration does it not suprise you that immigration is still as high or higher than it ever was? Maybe if the government really wanted to solve the immigration problem it would produce policies that actually addressed it rather banging on about a few 1,000s coming on small boats (a problem that could easily be fixed if the government really wanted to) or introducing a crazy points based system designed for a country vastly bigger than ours, with a population vastly smaller, on the other side of the world and thousands of miles away from anywhere rather than 10s off miles away. Pointing at few desperate people and saying "look, there's the problem - there's the swarm, there's the coming invasion" is meant to make you angry and possibly afraid. It's meant to make you think our problems are not our fault it's theirs, those migrants coming over here and taking our (fill-in your own personal gripe), whilst all the time the real problem is a dysfunctional immigration & asylum system caused mostly, like nearly every other dysfunctional system, by a complete lack of investment in facilities, infrastructure and people. The whole anti immigration, hostile environment culture is a typical part of the National Conservative divisive playbook not just in the UK but in the US and Europe too. Law and Order: Again, does it not suprise you that the party that claims to be for Law & Order has actually done very little to improve Law & Order? Maybe, rather than increasing the powers of the police they should increase the actual numbers of police and train them better. Maybe, instead of bringing on ever more draconian laws, they should properly fund the courts system so that those who break the current laws can be felt with judiciously and their victims receive some sort of closure with in a reasonable timeframe. Again, all their talk is simply designed to either frighten or annoy you while their actions do little or nothing to actually solve the real problems. Education: I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that our children shouldn't be taught that minority groups and people who have different lifestyles from others should be treated with equal respect? And are you also saying that schools shouldn't teach anything about climate change and what might be causing it or are you saying that they can teach about it but only if what they teach is in agreement with what you believe? Brexit: I simply used Brexit as an example of how National Conservatives are obsessed, to exclusion and detriment of anything else, with abstract and nebulous concepts such as "sovereignty" and "self-determination". Are you now saying that that was not or is not what Brexit was all about? | |||
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"Lol we are different nations speak the same language other than that. Completely different.
I lived in the US for a year back in the 80s and regularly returned there on business up until about 2004. I didn't find the flag flying and waving particularly shocking although I did notice that it was quite a lot more prevalent than here in the UK. I actually don't have a problem with waving the flag and will be more than happily waving both Union Jacks and George Crosses over the coming coronation celebrations. It's not the flag or the flag waving that I have a problem with; it's some of the flag wavers waving the flags that I sometimes have a problem with. So what is your " Nationalistic" approach? Not identify?"I see myself as British, English & European - in that order. I think that is what you were asking me? | |||
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"Lol we are different nations speak the same language other than that. Completely different.
I lived in the US for a year back in the 80s and regularly returned there on business up until about 2004. I didn't find the flag flying and waving particularly shocking although I did notice that it was quite a lot more prevalent than here in the UK. I actually don't have a problem with waving the flag and will be more than happily waving both Union Jacks and George Crosses over the coming coronation celebrations. It's not the flag or the flag waving that I have a problem with; it's some of the flag wavers waving the flags that I sometimes have a problem with. So what is your " Nationalistic" approach? Not identify?
I see myself as British, English & European - in that order.
I think that is what you were asking me?"I identify as American. You never hear anyone from hear say I am a a Pennsylvanian. Why is that ? We unite over our identity. You pick 3. | |||
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"Lol we are different nations speak the same language other than that. Completely different.
I lived in the US for a year back in the 80s and regularly returned there on business up until about 2004. I didn't find the flag flying and waving particularly shocking although I did notice that it was quite a lot more prevalent than here in the UK. I actually don't have a problem with waving the flag and will be more than happily waving both Union Jacks and George Crosses over the coming coronation celebrations. It's not the flag or the flag waving that I have a problem with; it's some of the flag wavers waving the flags that I sometimes have a problem with. So what is your " Nationalistic" approach? Not identify?
I see myself as British, English & European - in that order.
I think that is what you were asking me? I identify as American. You never hear anyone from hear say I am a a Pennsylvanian. Why is that ? We unite over our identity. You pick 3. "I think it similar, although not quite the same, as the Texans from Texas. I'm also not totally convinced that the sense of "One Nation under God" is shared quite so strongly in some of the Old Southern states. | |||
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"Lol we are different nations speak the same language other than that. Completely different.
I lived in the US for a year back in the 80s and regularly returned there on business up until about 2004. I didn't find the flag flying and waving particularly shocking although I did notice that it was quite a lot more prevalent than here in the UK. I actually don't have a problem with waving the flag and will be more than happily waving both Union Jacks and George Crosses over the coming coronation celebrations. It's not the flag or the flag waving that I have a problem with; it's some of the flag wavers waving the flags that I sometimes have a problem with. So what is your " Nationalistic" approach? Not identify?
I see myself as British, English & European - in that order.
I think that is what you were asking me? I identify as American. You never hear anyone from hear say I am a a Pennsylvanian. Why is that ? We unite over our identity. You pick 3.
I think it similar, although not quite the same, as the Texans from Texas. I'm also not totally convinced that the sense of "One Nation under God" is shared quite so strongly in some of the Old Southern states."I would say so they have the same beliefs and values the same in certain aspects as some Northern states. But still when we travel anywhere overseas we still identify as Americans. You never hear anyone from here saying what state they are from first until asked.Been there I was always ashed you are American. Then asked what state. You ask anyone from the UK even though it's always the heritage part first. I am Irish Welsh Scottish or British or English. Not Ukish or Ukanese or Ukainian. Why is that ? | |||
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"Lol we are different nations speak the same language other than that. Completely different.
I lived in the US for a year back in the 80s and regularly returned there on business up until about 2004. I didn't find the flag flying and waving particularly shocking although I did notice that it was quite a lot more prevalent than here in the UK. I actually don't have a problem with waving the flag and will be more than happily waving both Union Jacks and George Crosses over the coming coronation celebrations. It's not the flag or the flag waving that I have a problem with; it's some of the flag wavers waving the flags that I sometimes have a problem with. So what is your " Nationalistic" approach? Not identify?
I see myself as British, English & European - in that order.
I think that is what you were asking me? I identify as American. You never hear anyone from hear say I am a a Pennsylvanian. Why is that ? We unite over our identity. You pick 3.
I think it similar, although not quite the same, as the Texans from Texas. I'm also not totally convinced that the sense of "One Nation under God" is shared quite so strongly in some of the Old Southern states. I would say so they have the same beliefs and values the same in certain aspects as some Northern states. But still when we travel anywhere overseas we still identify as Americans. You never hear anyone from here saying what state they are from first until asked.Been there I was always ashed you are American. Then asked what state. You ask anyone from the UK even though it's always the heritage part first. I am Irish Welsh Scottish or British or English. Not Ukish or Ukanese or Ukainian. Why is that ? "I think New Yorkers are the exception, the ones I know really try hard to distance themselves from America and are more like Europeans than Americans | |||
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"It was a huge culture shock for me going there. I was like expecting the same nationalistic pride as here. Unity for being British. Nope nothing . I see more union jacks on mini Coopers and range rovers here. Why is that ? Seems to me it's a collective ambition to erase the past." I think we have a similar level of national pride as the USA, but we don't feel the need to show it to each other. We also don't have the same origin in battle that America has, so we don't put the same meaning to the flag. To us, the flag is just a pretty piece of cloth. If you ask most Brits what the flag means, they couldn't tell you. I'd say about 20% of Brits don't know which way up the flag should be hung. That number is only that low because 70% of us don't even know that there is a particular way up it should go. | |||
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"Not everyone in the UK identifies as English or British. From England itself it's I am English . If I heard a Irish accent Scottish or Welsh they say so. Why is it it we identify as Americans nothing else. " I'd say that Americans don't identify as purely American. Every American I've spoken to proudly tells me of their Irish ancestry, or Italian, or African, or even Welsh or German. For a country that is so proud of itself (and who can blame them) it seems odd to me that so many of them seek to claim foreign roots. The obvious example is Joe Biden, who is a 3rd generation American, and is the president of his country, and yet tells everyone he meets that he's Irish. | |||
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"I thought the conservatives were about ensuring cash flows were diverted from the exploited and disadvantaged to make the pie scoffing fat cats and the 1 percent filthy rich richer" In reality the conservatives are a group of people numbering over 300.  | |||
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"I thought the conservatives were about ensuring cash flows were diverted from the exploited and disadvantaged to make the pie scoffing fat cats and the 1 percent filthy rich richer" They are. People seem into it as they relentlessly vote for them. | |||
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"It was a huge culture shock for me going there. I was like expecting the same nationalistic pride as here. Unity for being British. Nope nothing . I see more union jacks on mini Coopers and range rovers here. Why is that ? Seems to me it's a collective ambition to erase the past." If you come to Scotland you'll see a lot of Saltires, much more than Union flags. Scots generally take more pride in being Scottish. | |||
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