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" That phone alert, which cost the tax payer millons was contracted to Fujitsu. They subcontracted it out to a company called Infosys. A woman owns it. Her husband is called Rishi Sunak " Something they got right then , one of the better IT companies unlike Hunt and Hancock’s silly little IT companies fleecing us all and delivering shit software and selling us data we already own | |||
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" That phone alert, which cost the tax payer millons was contracted to Fujitsu. They subcontracted it out to a company called Infosys. A woman owns it. Her husband is called Rishi Sunak " No surprise, and no surprise when nothing is done about it. Carry on corrupting, nothing to see here. | |||
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" That phone alert, which cost the tax payer millons was contracted to Fujitsu. They subcontracted it out to a company called Infosys. A woman owns it. Her husband is called Rishi Sunak " Who were they meant to contract it to then? | |||
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"I'm restarting my business, foil hats are back!!!" Do you have anything you'd like to declare first?! | |||
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"I'm restarting my business, foil hats are back!!!" I’m just buying shares in tinfoil | |||
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"Infosys is not owned by Akshata Murty, Sunak's wife, it's owned by Narayana Murthy, her Dad and his father in law. Yet another case of tories lining their pockets at every turn. STOP VOTING THEM IN!!" Just how is this the Tories lining their pockets.....unless you're suggesting the PM and his wife are supported by his father in law? | |||
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"Infosys is not owned by Akshata Murty, Sunak's wife, it's owned by Narayana Murthy, her Dad and his father in law. Yet another case of tories lining their pockets at every turn. STOP VOTING THEM IN!! Just how is this the Tories lining their pockets.....unless you're suggesting the PM and his wife are supported by his father in law? " You don't think Sunak's family will not financially benefit if the father does well?  | |||
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"Infosys is not owned by Akshata Murty, Sunak's wife, it's owned by Narayana Murthy, her Dad and his father in law. Yet another case of tories lining their pockets at every turn. STOP VOTING THEM IN!! Just how is this the Tories lining their pockets.....unless you're suggesting the PM and his wife are supported by his father in law? You don't think Sunak's family will not financially benefit if the father does well? "From everything that has come out recently, appears they are more than well enough off to not need it, so no, I don't. | |||
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"Infosys is not owned by Akshata Murty, Sunak's wife, it's owned by Narayana Murthy, her Dad and his father in law. Yet another case of tories lining their pockets at every turn. STOP VOTING THEM IN!! Just how is this the Tories lining their pockets.....unless you're suggesting the PM and his wife are supported by his father in law? You don't think Sunak's family will not financially benefit if the father does well?
From everything that has come out recently, appears they are more than well enough off to not need it, so no, I don't. "Nepotism - financially it's keeping it in the family, exactly as they've done with everything from arms deals with the Saudi's (see Theresa May's husband), to the pandemic contract awards. It's all in-house, and all a matter of public record. I'm not sure why you think this is OK, but you are from Norfolk so likely a Tory voter. | |||
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" That phone alert, which cost the tax payer millons was contracted to Fujitsu. They subcontracted it out to a company called Infosys. A woman owns it. Her husband is called Rishi Sunak " • ........and? | |||
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" That phone alert, which cost the tax payer millons was contracted to Fujitsu. They subcontracted it out to a company called Infosys. A woman owns it. Her husband is called Rishi Sunak • ........and?" .....and power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |||
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" That phone alert, which cost the tax payer millons was contracted to Fujitsu. They subcontracted it out to a company called Infosys. A woman owns it. Her husband is called Rishi Sunak • ........and? · .....and power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. " • Fair do's.  | |||
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"I'm restarting my business, foil hats are back!!!" this isn't a conspiracy theory it's just facts out there for the whole world to see | |||
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"Infosys is not owned by Akshata Murty, Sunak's wife, it's owned by Narayana Murthy, her Dad and his father in law. Yet another case of tories lining their pockets at every turn. STOP VOTING THEM IN!! Just how is this the Tories lining their pockets.....unless you're suggesting the PM and his wife are supported by his father in law? You don't think Sunak's family will not financially benefit if the father does well?
From everything that has come out recently, appears they are more than well enough off to not need it, so no, I don't. "That's irrelevant. If there are conflicts of interest in making political decisions or awarding contracts, they must be declared. And the people in question should not be making or influencing those political decisions nor awarding contracts. | |||
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"Hear me out, just going to throw this in as a counter Isn't this exactly what anyone else would do if they could? Im always happy to put work the way of friends and family if i can. At what ammount of money does it suddenly become inappropriate or a conspiracy? " It's not the amount of money. It's about power and influence. Are you an elected member of Parliament? | |||
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"I doubt someone with hundreds of millions would be bothered by making more money." Are you fucking kidding me! They're the worst | |||
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"I doubt someone with hundreds of millions would be bothered by making more money." Is this a joke? | |||
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"Hear me out, just going to throw this in as a counter Isn't this exactly what anyone else would do if they could? Im always happy to put work the way of friends and family if i can. At what ammount of money does it suddenly become inappropriate or a conspiracy? " That sir is a fair point,still don't like the greedy bastards | |||
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" That phone alert, which cost the tax payer millons was contracted to Fujitsu. They subcontracted it out to a company called Infosys. A woman owns it. Her husband is called Rishi Sunak " Ah! Fujitsu, the company that fucked over hundreds of sub postmasters and post mistresses. A company with a proven track record.  | |||
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" It's not the amount of money. It's about power and influence. Are you an elected member of Parliament?" Why would my parliamentary status matter? Don't forget the last 2 prime ministers were not elected to the roll. I dont see a conflict of interests here tbh. Unless you own a company who quoted the job and came in under the budget but still did not get given the job over a family company, thats different. Then that is dodgy. Rich people still have the right to get richer. No matter what us peasants think | |||
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"Infosys is not owned by Akshata Murty, Sunak's wife, it's owned by Narayana Murthy, her Dad and his father in law. Yet another case of tories lining their pockets at every turn. STOP VOTING THEM IN!! Just how is this the Tories lining their pockets.....unless you're suggesting the PM and his wife are supported by his father in law? You don't think Sunak's family will not financially benefit if the father does well?
From everything that has come out recently, appears they are more than well enough off to not need it, so no, I don't.
Nepotism - financially it's keeping it in the family, exactly as they've done with everything from arms deals with the Saudi's (see Theresa May's husband), to the pandemic contract awards.
It's all in-house, and all a matter of public record. I'm not sure why you think this is OK, but you are from Norfolk so likely a Tory voter."Spoiler alert - it’s mostly why they become politicians.apart from Angela raynor, it’s the only job they offered her at the job centre There was a Lib Dem a while back pushing for legalising vveed and her husband has all the current contracts to provide big pharma, basically they have legal grows in the countryside the size of small farms | |||
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" All Goverment contracts are accessible through a transparency procedure. ." Do you actually believe that ? Have you ever worked in public sector and seen how it really works ? Do you think the senior civil service heading up procurement have got a clue what they doing with the likes of people like Hunt, Sunak that have much more intelligent and higher paid staff of legal and consultants advising them on loopholes ? Once they are in , they are near impossible to shift too. Everyone is too scared to risk changing anything | |||
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"Fujitsu was paid £1.6 million by the UK Goverment, for their expertise. US software company, Everbridge, were paid less than £100k for access to their software. There is not a shred of evidence that either used Infosys in any way. All Goverment contracts are accessible through a transparency procedure. Ms Murty has a shareholding of 0.93% in Infosys, so no, she doesn't own it. Fujitsu has, in the past, cooperated with Infosys on such systems. Just not this time. Twitter is not a reliable source of fact." It was reported by multiple news sources. The OP didn't mention Twitter. Can I point out that the Tory Cabinet Office are not the oracle of truth? | |||
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"Fujitsu was paid £1.6 million by the UK Goverment, for their expertise. US software company, Everbridge, were paid less than £100k for access to their software. There is not a shred of evidence that either used Infosys in any way. All Goverment contracts are accessible through a transparency procedure. Ms Murty has a shareholding of 0.93% in Infosys, so no, she doesn't own it. Fujitsu has, in the past, cooperated with Infosys on such systems. Just not this time. Twitter is not a reliable source of fact. It was reported by multiple news sources. The OP didn't mention Twitter. Can I point out that the Tory Cabinet Office are not the oracle of truth? " Yes, you're right. The OP didn't mention Twitter. In fact, he didn't mention any source. Which makes it even harder to check. I can't find a link between the two companies on any reputable news sources. | |||
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"Infosys is not owned by Akshata Murty, Sunak's wife, it's owned by Narayana Murthy, her Dad and his father in law. Yet another case of tories lining their pockets at every turn. STOP VOTING THEM IN!!" You realise that this has happened under labour government too not just the tories, doesn't matter who's in power there will always be the backhand favour for a mate done T x | |||
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"Infosys is not owned by Akshata Murty, Sunak's wife, it's owned by Narayana Murthy, her Dad and his father in law. Yet another case of tories lining their pockets at every turn. STOP VOTING THEM IN!! Just how is this the Tories lining their pockets.....unless you're suggesting the PM and his wife are supported by his father in law? You don't think Sunak's family will not financially benefit if the father does well?
From everything that has come out recently, appears they are more than well enough off to not need it, so no, I don't.
Nepotism - financially it's keeping it in the family, exactly as they've done with everything from arms deals with the Saudi's (see Theresa May's husband), to the pandemic contract awards.
It's all in-house, and all a matter of public record. I'm not sure why you think this is OK, but you are from Norfolk so likely a Tory voter."Of course I'm a Tory voter, I've got at least one brain cell, what viable alternative is there! | |||
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"Fujitsu was paid £1.6 million by the UK Goverment, for their expertise. US software company, Everbridge, were paid less than £100k for access to their software. There is not a shred of evidence that either used Infosys in any way. All Goverment contracts are accessible through a transparency procedure. Ms Murty has a shareholding of 0.93% in Infosys, so no, she doesn't own it. Fujitsu has, in the past, cooperated with Infosys on such systems. Just not this time. Twitter is not a reliable source of fact. It was reported by multiple news sources. The OP didn't mention Twitter. Can I point out that the Tory Cabinet Office are not the oracle of truth? Yes, you're right. The OP didn't mention Twitter. In fact, he didn't mention any source. Which makes it even harder to check. I can't find a link between the two companies on any reputable news sources. "That's because there is no link  | |||
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"I made this mistake on another thread but Infosys were not involved in this specific contract. They are involved in some Fujitsu contracts and have been for some years. A government spokesperson told Full Fact: “This is completely untrue - there are no connections with Infosys in the running of the Emergency Alerts system.” A spokesperson for Infosys also said: “Infosys has not been involved, directly or indirectly, in the creation of the UK government emergency alert system.” Somewhere above someone rightly said Mrs Sunak owns 0.93% of Infosys. That doesn’t sound like much but apparently last year that paid her 11 million in dividends which isn’t bad. Her shares are registered in Mauritius which is a tax haven, meaning she pays no tax on those dividends in India. She also pays no tax on those in the UK." So what's your point? You don't like people who've got more money than you? You don't organise your financial affairs to minimise the amount of tax you pay? | |||
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"I made this mistake on another thread but Infosys were not involved in this specific contract. They are involved in some Fujitsu contracts and have been for some years. A government spokesperson told Full Fact: “This is completely untrue - there are no connections with Infosys in the running of the Emergency Alerts system.” A spokesperson for Infosys also said: “Infosys has not been involved, directly or indirectly, in the creation of the UK government emergency alert system.” Somewhere above someone rightly said Mrs Sunak owns 0.93% of Infosys. That doesn’t sound like much but apparently last year that paid her 11 million in dividends which isn’t bad. Her shares are registered in Mauritius which is a tax haven, meaning she pays no tax on those dividends in India. She also pays no tax on those in the UK. So what's your point? You don't like people who've got more money than you? You don't organise your financial affairs to minimise the amount of tax you pay?" Nkt making a point. Stating facts. Draw your own conclusion. | |||
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"I made this mistake on another thread but Infosys were not involved in this specific contract. They are involved in some Fujitsu contracts and have been for some years. A government spokesperson told Full Fact: “This is completely untrue - there are no connections with Infosys in the running of the Emergency Alerts system.” A spokesperson for Infosys also said: “Infosys has not been involved, directly or indirectly, in the creation of the UK government emergency alert system.” Somewhere above someone rightly said Mrs Sunak owns 0.93% of Infosys. That doesn’t sound like much but apparently last year that paid her 11 million in dividends which isn’t bad. Her shares are registered in Mauritius which is a tax haven, meaning she pays no tax on those dividends in India. She also pays no tax on those in the UK. So what's your point? You don't like people who've got more money than you? You don't organise your financial affairs to minimise the amount of tax you pay? Nkt making a point. Stating facts. Draw your own conclusion. " Virtually everybody makes some effort to minimise the tax they pay, whether that is simply through ISA's or pensions. Clearly the more money one has the more effort one is going to make to minimise tax on those assets. For most people using domicile or international finance isn't going to be economically viable or worth the effort. As far as I am aware Sunak's wife hasn't put herself forward for any public office, so her financial affairs really aren't anyone else's business as long as she is adhering to the law. If you have evidence that she is breaking the law you should report her to the police. | |||
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"I made this mistake on another thread but Infosys were not involved in this specific contract. They are involved in some Fujitsu contracts and have been for some years. A government spokesperson told Full Fact: “This is completely untrue - there are no connections with Infosys in the running of the Emergency Alerts system.” A spokesperson for Infosys also said: “Infosys has not been involved, directly or indirectly, in the creation of the UK government emergency alert system.” Somewhere above someone rightly said Mrs Sunak owns 0.93% of Infosys. That doesn’t sound like much but apparently last year that paid her 11 million in dividends which isn’t bad. Her shares are registered in Mauritius which is a tax haven, meaning she pays no tax on those dividends in India. She also pays no tax on those in the UK. So what's your point? You don't like people who've got more money than you? You don't organise your financial affairs to minimise the amount of tax you pay?" There does seem to be a good few 'professional begrudgers' on here....! | |||
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"Well done on getting your best info from Twitter? Did you bother to check the accuracy of it before continue to spread the possible false information? And they say the Tories are the Kings of smear " | |||
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" ... Somewhere above someone rightly said Mrs Sunak owns 0.93% of Infosys. That doesn’t sound like much but apparently last year that paid her 11 million in dividends which isn’t bad. Her shares are registered in Mauritius which is a tax haven, meaning she pays no tax on those dividends in India. She also pays no tax on those in the UK." As has been remarked before, where she pays her tax is neither here nor there! | |||
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"I made this mistake on another thread but Infosys were not involved in this specific contract. They are involved in some Fujitsu contracts and have been for some years. A government spokesperson told Full Fact: “This is completely untrue - there are no connections with Infosys in the running of the Emergency Alerts system.” A spokesperson for Infosys also said: “Infosys has not been involved, directly or indirectly, in the creation of the UK government emergency alert system.” Somewhere above someone rightly said Mrs Sunak owns 0.93% of Infosys. That doesn’t sound like much but apparently last year that paid her 11 million in dividends which isn’t bad. Her shares are registered in Mauritius which is a tax haven, meaning she pays no tax on those dividends in India. She also pays no tax on those in the UK. So what's your point? You don't like people who've got more money than you? You don't organise your financial affairs to minimise the amount of tax you pay? Nkt making a point. Stating facts. Draw your own conclusion. Virtually everybody makes some effort to minimise the tax they pay, whether that is simply through ISA's or pensions. Clearly the more money one has the more effort one is going to make to minimise tax on those assets. For most people using domicile or international finance isn't going to be economically viable or worth the effort. As far as I am aware Sunak's wife hasn't put herself forward for any public office, so her financial affairs really aren't anyone else's business as long as she is adhering to the law. If you have evidence that she is breaking the law you should report her to the police." You’re new in the politics section I think. Have a read of some of the threads as everything you have said has been discussed at length with pro and con arguments and viewpoints. You’re entitled to your opinion just as others are entitled to theirs. And IMO comparing ISAs or Pension contributions to multi-million tax avoidance through the use of tax havens is completely reductive. | |||
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" ... Somewhere above someone rightly said Mrs Sunak owns 0.93% of Infosys. That doesn’t sound like much but apparently last year that paid her 11 million in dividends which isn’t bad. Her shares are registered in Mauritius which is a tax haven, meaning she pays no tax on those dividends in India. She also pays no tax on those in the UK. As has been remarked before, where she pays her tax is neither here nor there! " | |||
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"I made this mistake on another thread but Infosys were not involved in this specific contract. They are involved in some Fujitsu contracts and have been for some years. A government spokesperson told Full Fact: “This is completely untrue - there are no connections with Infosys in the running of the Emergency Alerts system.” A spokesperson for Infosys also said: “Infosys has not been involved, directly or indirectly, in the creation of the UK government emergency alert system.” Somewhere above someone rightly said Mrs Sunak owns 0.93% of Infosys. That doesn’t sound like much but apparently last year that paid her 11 million in dividends which isn’t bad. Her shares are registered in Mauritius which is a tax haven, meaning she pays no tax on those dividends in India. She also pays no tax on those in the UK. So what's your point? You don't like people who've got more money than you? You don't organise your financial affairs to minimise the amount of tax you pay? There does seem to be a good few 'professional begrudgers' on here....! "I suspect most people do not begrudge others being rich. What they begrudge is people exploiting the system to avoid paying their due. The tax system in the UK is skewed to benefit the wealthy who can afford to exploit the loopholes. Ironically, most of the time, people who defend tax avoidance will lambast people who are getting benefits. Both cost the honest tax payer billions. Generally this is because their views have been groomed for decades by a billionaire owned media that has given airtime/wordcount to spurious lobby groups designed to further the aims of the very wealthy by masquerading as “think tanks” and often historically based in Tufton St. | |||
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" That phone alert, which cost the tax payer millons was contracted to Fujitsu. They subcontracted it out to a company called Infosys. A woman owns it. Her husband is called Rishi Sunak " This is simply not true. Check FullFact.org | |||
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"All the news this morning is reporting that this original statement in the post is not true " The Fujitsu/Infosys story was broken on Twitter, so it must be true. | |||
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" The real scandal is how large Indian tech companies are allowed to monopolize the market. Its pretty clean from Sunak and his wife's political ties that some very powerful folk have interests in it continuing." What's the scandal? A huge Indian company that's cheaper than everyone else cos their labour Is so cheap? | |||
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"I made this mistake on another thread but Infosys were not involved in this specific contract. They are involved in some Fujitsu contracts and have been for some years. A government spokesperson told Full Fact: “This is completely untrue - there are no connections with Infosys in the running of the Emergency Alerts system.” A spokesperson for Infosys also said: “Infosys has not been involved, directly or indirectly, in the creation of the UK government emergency alert system.” Somewhere above someone rightly said Mrs Sunak owns 0.93% of Infosys. That doesn’t sound like much but apparently last year that paid her 11 million in dividends which isn’t bad. Her shares are registered in Mauritius which is a tax haven, meaning she pays no tax on those dividends in India. She also pays no tax on those in the UK. So what's your point? You don't like people who've got more money than you? You don't organise your financial affairs to minimise the amount of tax you pay? Nkt making a point. Stating facts. Draw your own conclusion. Virtually everybody makes some effort to minimise the tax they pay, whether that is simply through ISA's or pensions. Clearly the more money one has the more effort one is going to make to minimise tax on those assets. For most people using domicile or international finance isn't going to be economically viable or worth the effort. As far as I am aware Sunak's wife hasn't put herself forward for any public office, so her financial affairs really aren't anyone else's business as long as she is adhering to the law. If you have evidence that she is breaking the law you should report her to the police. You’re new in the politics section I think. Have a read of some of the threads as everything you have said has been discussed at length with pro and con arguments and viewpoints. You’re entitled to your opinion just as others are entitled to theirs. And IMO comparing ISAs or Pension contributions to multi-million tax avoidance through the use of tax havens is completely reductive." I didn't realise that there is some kind of time service hierarchy in the Politics forum of a swingers website Sorry for disturbing your day. I'll repost something again in a few years when I've learnt what it is I'm supposed to say here. | |||
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"I made this mistake on another thread but Infosys were not involved in this specific contract. They are involved in some Fujitsu contracts and have been for some years. A government spokesperson told Full Fact: “This is completely untrue - there are no connections with Infosys in the running of the Emergency Alerts system.” A spokesperson for Infosys also said: “Infosys has not been involved, directly or indirectly, in the creation of the UK government emergency alert system.” Somewhere above someone rightly said Mrs Sunak owns 0.93% of Infosys. That doesn’t sound like much but apparently last year that paid her 11 million in dividends which isn’t bad. Her shares are registered in Mauritius which is a tax haven, meaning she pays no tax on those dividends in India. She also pays no tax on those in the UK. So what's your point? You don't like people who've got more money than you? You don't organise your financial affairs to minimise the amount of tax you pay? Nkt making a point. Stating facts. Draw your own conclusion. Virtually everybody makes some effort to minimise the tax they pay, whether that is simply through ISA's or pensions. Clearly the more money one has the more effort one is going to make to minimise tax on those assets. For most people using domicile or international finance isn't going to be economically viable or worth the effort. As far as I am aware Sunak's wife hasn't put herself forward for any public office, so her financial affairs really aren't anyone else's business as long as she is adhering to the law. If you have evidence that she is breaking the law you should report her to the police. You’re new in the politics section I think. Have a read of some of the threads as everything you have said has been discussed at length with pro and con arguments and viewpoints. You’re entitled to your opinion just as others are entitled to theirs. And IMO comparing ISAs or Pension contributions to multi-million tax avoidance through the use of tax havens is completely reductive. I didn't realise that there is some kind of time service hierarchy in the Politics forum of a swingers website Sorry for disturbing your day. I'll repost something again in a few years when I've learnt what it is I'm supposed to say here." Classic from that poster. | |||
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"I made this mistake on another thread but Infosys were not involved in this specific contract. They are involved in some Fujitsu contracts and have been for some years. A government spokesperson told Full Fact: “This is completely untrue - there are no connections with Infosys in the running of the Emergency Alerts system.” A spokesperson for Infosys also said: “Infosys has not been involved, directly or indirectly, in the creation of the UK government emergency alert system.” Somewhere above someone rightly said Mrs Sunak owns 0.93% of Infosys. That doesn’t sound like much but apparently last year that paid her 11 million in dividends which isn’t bad. Her shares are registered in Mauritius which is a tax haven, meaning she pays no tax on those dividends in India. She also pays no tax on those in the UK. So what's your point? You don't like people who've got more money than you? You don't organise your financial affairs to minimise the amount of tax you pay? Nkt making a point. Stating facts. Draw your own conclusion. Virtually everybody makes some effort to minimise the tax they pay, whether that is simply through ISA's or pensions. Clearly the more money one has the more effort one is going to make to minimise tax on those assets. For most people using domicile or international finance isn't going to be economically viable or worth the effort. As far as I am aware Sunak's wife hasn't put herself forward for any public office, so her financial affairs really aren't anyone else's business as long as she is adhering to the law. If you have evidence that she is breaking the law you should report her to the police. You’re new in the politics section I think. Have a read of some of the threads as everything you have said has been discussed at length with pro and con arguments and viewpoints. You’re entitled to your opinion just as others are entitled to theirs. And IMO comparing ISAs or Pension contributions to multi-million tax avoidance through the use of tax havens is completely reductive. I didn't realise that there is some kind of time service hierarchy in the Politics forum of a swingers website Sorry for disturbing your day. I'll repost something again in a few years when I've learnt what it is I'm supposed to say here." Thanks I appreciate your observance (joke BTW) My point was more about how the answers to your points have been discussed at length so there is little inclination to post yet again. Just thought you might be interested in having a dig around. | |||
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" That phone alert, which cost the tax payer millons was contracted to Fujitsu. They subcontracted it out to a company called Infosys. A woman owns it. Her husband is called Rishi Sunak " The more concerning part of this process is that Fujitsu was involved. This is the company that developed the Post Office Horizon system which never functioned properly and destroyed the lives of hundreds of sub-post masters leading to criminal convictions, mental and physical health problems, family breakdowns and suicides. They have not accepted any liability for the failure. It appears no action has been taken against them at all, but remain in receipt of Government contracts. The sub-contracting of work is not necessarily the responsibility of the civil service to pursue beyond the normal criteria laid out. Sunak's interest in Infosys is declared too, and it is a competent company, so I don't think this particular case is a very controversial matter. | |||
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"The sub-contracting of work is not necessarily the responsibility of the civil service to pursue beyond the normal criteria laid out." Not quite sure what you are saying here. Government contracts do indeed have stipulations around sub contracting of work and a requirement to apply relevant and appropriate due diligence to those sub contractors. | |||
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"The sub-contracting of work is not necessarily the responsibility of the civil service to pursue beyond the normal criteria laid out. Not quite sure what you are saying here. Government contracts do indeed have stipulations around sub contracting of work and a requirement to apply relevant and appropriate due diligence to those sub contractors." Infosys declared as one of Sunak's interests and the supplier was actually chosen by Fujitsu anyway. I don't think that it is for HMG to carry out due diligence over who a prime contractor gives work to. It is for the prime contractor to chose suppliers that meet the criteria set out in their contract with HMG. Regardless, my point was primarily about Fujitsu being an acceptable supplier considering their track record. That seems to be of far more concern. | |||
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"The sub-contracting of work is not necessarily the responsibility of the civil service to pursue beyond the normal criteria laid out. Not quite sure what you are saying here. Government contracts do indeed have stipulations around sub contracting of work and a requirement to apply relevant and appropriate due diligence to those sub contractors. Infosys declared as one of Sunak's interests and the supplier was actually chosen by Fujitsu anyway. I don't think that it is for HMG to carry out due diligence over who a prime contractor gives work to. It is for the prime contractor to chose suppliers that meet the criteria set out in their contract with HMG. Regardless, my point was primarily about Fujitsu being an acceptable supplier considering their track record. That seems to be of far more concern." Ah and I am saying that HMG contracts will have stringent due diligence requirements for any primary supplier who intends to sub contract. This will vary depending on the nature and security of the product to be delivered. In some cases the Civil Service CCS will undertake the due diligence on sub contractors themselves. In some cases they will stipulate the nature of the due diligence the primary contractor must carry out and the evidence required. | |||
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"The sub-contracting of work is not necessarily the responsibility of the civil service to pursue beyond the normal criteria laid out. Not quite sure what you are saying here. Government contracts do indeed have stipulations around sub contracting of work and a requirement to apply relevant and appropriate due diligence to those sub contractors. Infosys declared as one of Sunak's interests and the supplier was actually chosen by Fujitsu anyway. I don't think that it is for HMG to carry out due diligence over who a prime contractor gives work to. It is for the prime contractor to chose suppliers that meet the criteria set out in their contract with HMG. Regardless, my point was primarily about Fujitsu being an acceptable supplier considering their track record. That seems to be of far more concern. Ah and I am saying that HMG contracts will have stringent due diligence requirements for any primary supplier who intends to sub contract. This will vary depending on the nature and security of the product to be delivered. In some cases the Civil Service CCS will undertake the due diligence on sub contractors themselves. In some cases they will stipulate the nature of the due diligence the primary contractor must carry out and the evidence required." I would be surprised if this involved the Civil Service. Even it it does the Infosys link is declared so in this particular case it's a bit "meh". As I said, what I am discomforted by is Fujitsu's continued involvement in Government contracts without any responsibility for past failure being taken. | |||
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"The sub-contracting of work is not necessarily the responsibility of the civil service to pursue beyond the normal criteria laid out. Not quite sure what you are saying here. Government contracts do indeed have stipulations around sub contracting of work and a requirement to apply relevant and appropriate due diligence to those sub contractors. Infosys declared as one of Sunak's interests and the supplier was actually chosen by Fujitsu anyway. I don't think that it is for HMG to carry out due diligence over who a prime contractor gives work to. It is for the prime contractor to chose suppliers that meet the criteria set out in their contract with HMG. Regardless, my point was primarily about Fujitsu being an acceptable supplier considering their track record. That seems to be of far more concern. Ah and I am saying that HMG contracts will have stringent due diligence requirements for any primary supplier who intends to sub contract. This will vary depending on the nature and security of the product to be delivered. In some cases the Civil Service CCS will undertake the due diligence on sub contractors themselves. In some cases they will stipulate the nature of the due diligence the primary contractor must carry out and the evidence required. I would be surprised if this involved the Civil Service. Even it it does the Infosys link is declared so in this particular case it's a bit "meh". As I said, what I am discomforted by is Fujitsu's continued involvement in Government contracts without any responsibility for past failure being taken." I know your focus is Fujitsu but just for clarity. I have explained precisely how govt procurement works in terms of sub contracting and due diligence. Not an opinion. That is how it works. As for Fujitsu...yep disgraceful they continue to secure any govt contracts after the disgraceful Post Office Horizon scandal. I suspect this particular contract was let some time back though. | |||
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"The sub-contracting of work is not necessarily the responsibility of the civil service to pursue beyond the normal criteria laid out. Not quite sure what you are saying here. Government contracts do indeed have stipulations around sub contracting of work and a requirement to apply relevant and appropriate due diligence to those sub contractors. Infosys declared as one of Sunak's interests and the supplier was actually chosen by Fujitsu anyway. I don't think that it is for HMG to carry out due diligence over who a prime contractor gives work to. It is for the prime contractor to chose suppliers that meet the criteria set out in their contract with HMG. Regardless, my point was primarily about Fujitsu being an acceptable supplier considering their track record. That seems to be of far more concern. Ah and I am saying that HMG contracts will have stringent due diligence requirements for any primary supplier who intends to sub contract. This will vary depending on the nature and security of the product to be delivered. In some cases the Civil Service CCS will undertake the due diligence on sub contractors themselves. In some cases they will stipulate the nature of the due diligence the primary contractor must carry out and the evidence required." The other day we're you not angry about a subcontract for ppe? | |||
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"The sub-contracting of work is not necessarily the responsibility of the civil service to pursue beyond the normal criteria laid out. Not quite sure what you are saying here. Government contracts do indeed have stipulations around sub contracting of work and a requirement to apply relevant and appropriate due diligence to those sub contractors. Infosys declared as one of Sunak's interests and the supplier was actually chosen by Fujitsu anyway. I don't think that it is for HMG to carry out due diligence over who a prime contractor gives work to. It is for the prime contractor to chose suppliers that meet the criteria set out in their contract with HMG. Regardless, my point was primarily about Fujitsu being an acceptable supplier considering their track record. That seems to be of far more concern. Ah and I am saying that HMG contracts will have stringent due diligence requirements for any primary supplier who intends to sub contract. This will vary depending on the nature and security of the product to be delivered. In some cases the Civil Service CCS will undertake the due diligence on sub contractors themselves. In some cases they will stipulate the nature of the due diligence the primary contractor must carry out and the evidence required. The other day we're you not angry about a subcontract for ppe?" Nope I was and remain concerned about the lack of appropriate due diligence and circumventing of proper process for those companies who were awarded contracts via the VIP Lane. You have started a thread specifically to call someone out for misrepresenting something you have said. So best not misrepresent something I said  | |||
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"The sub-contracting of work is not necessarily the responsibility of the civil service to pursue beyond the normal criteria laid out. Not quite sure what you are saying here. Government contracts do indeed have stipulations around sub contracting of work and a requirement to apply relevant and appropriate due diligence to those sub contractors. Infosys declared as one of Sunak's interests and the supplier was actually chosen by Fujitsu anyway. I don't think that it is for HMG to carry out due diligence over who a prime contractor gives work to. It is for the prime contractor to chose suppliers that meet the criteria set out in their contract with HMG. Regardless, my point was primarily about Fujitsu being an acceptable supplier considering their track record. That seems to be of far more concern. Ah and I am saying that HMG contracts will have stringent due diligence requirements for any primary supplier who intends to sub contract. This will vary depending on the nature and security of the product to be delivered. In some cases the Civil Service CCS will undertake the due diligence on sub contractors themselves. In some cases they will stipulate the nature of the due diligence the primary contractor must carry out and the evidence required. The other day we're you not angry about a subcontract for ppe? Nope I was and remain concerned about the lack of appropriate due diligence and circumventing of proper process for those companies who were awarded contracts via the VIP Lane. You have started a thread specifically to call someone out for misrepresenting something you have said. So best not misrepresent something I said "Thisnks why I asked and didn't try and close of a thread with with an assertion of misrepresenting what was said. My mistake thougb what it was wa.You mocked me for asking for proof of tbe subcontracting "You’re wasting your time. You need to provide primary evidence otherwise Morley will insist is right and we are wrong. That is despite him having no experience (as far as he has said) in government procurement or the actual workings of government. His naivety is astounding really for such a smart bloke. Keep banging on about the Civil Service as if they operate completely independently of Ministers! Seriously naive! You know these accusations against Patel and Raab for bullying. Guess what is behind some of that? Oh yeah Ministers telling Civil Servants what to do regardless of whether it is legal or appropriate. We have someone on here claiming there is nothing wrong with personal enrichment at the expense of the public purse. It is against both the Ministerial and Civil Service code of practice! Oh but hardly any of this has gone to court! No shit sherlock and nor will it unless there is a change of Govt. Next he will be telling us that we should FOI request lol! No idea what actually happens behind the scenes and how easy it is to not answer questions. Demanding evidence around what due diligence requirements there are to be awarded govt contracts! Like seriously! That despite information already provided where DHSC and NAO established 46 VIP lane referred companies were awarded contracts without going through the right process (a process incidentally that was ONLY put in place after criticism and concern started to be raised about the VIP lane otherwise they would have continued)." I guess you recant that mocking then. | |||
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"The sub-contracting of work is not necessarily the responsibility of the civil service to pursue beyond the normal criteria laid out. Not quite sure what you are saying here. Government contracts do indeed have stipulations around sub contracting of work and a requirement to apply relevant and appropriate due diligence to those sub contractors. Infosys declared as one of Sunak's interests and the supplier was actually chosen by Fujitsu anyway. I don't think that it is for HMG to carry out due diligence over who a prime contractor gives work to. It is for the prime contractor to chose suppliers that meet the criteria set out in their contract with HMG. Regardless, my point was primarily about Fujitsu being an acceptable supplier considering their track record. That seems to be of far more concern. Ah and I am saying that HMG contracts will have stringent due diligence requirements for any primary supplier who intends to sub contract. This will vary depending on the nature and security of the product to be delivered. In some cases the Civil Service CCS will undertake the due diligence on sub contractors themselves. In some cases they will stipulate the nature of the due diligence the primary contractor must carry out and the evidence required. The other day we're you not angry about a subcontract for ppe? Nope I was and remain concerned about the lack of appropriate due diligence and circumventing of proper process for those companies who were awarded contracts via the VIP Lane. You have started a thread specifically to call someone out for misrepresenting something you have said. So best not misrepresent something I said
Thisnks why I asked and didn't try and close of a thread with with an assertion of misrepresenting what was said.
My mistake thougb what it was wa.You mocked me for asking for proof of tbe subcontracting
"You’re wasting your time. You need to provide primary evidence otherwise Morley will insist is right and we are wrong. That is despite him having no experience (as far as he has said) in government procurement or the actual workings of government. His naivety is astounding really for such a smart bloke. Keep banging on about the Civil Service as if they operate completely independently of Ministers! Seriously naive!
You know these accusations against Patel and Raab for bullying. Guess what is behind some of that? Oh yeah Ministers telling Civil Servants what to do regardless of whether it is legal or appropriate.
We have someone on here claiming there is nothing wrong with personal enrichment at the expense of the public purse. It is against both the Ministerial and Civil Service code of practice!
Oh but hardly any of this has gone to court! No shit sherlock and nor will it unless there is a change of Govt.
Next he will be telling us that we should FOI request lol! No idea what actually happens behind the scenes and how easy it is to not answer questions.
Demanding evidence around what due diligence requirements there are to be awarded govt contracts! Like seriously! That despite information already provided where DHSC and NAO established 46 VIP lane referred companies were awarded contracts without going through the right process (a process incidentally that was ONLY put in place after criticism and concern started to be raised about the VIP lane otherwise they would have continued)."
I guess you recant that mocking then. "I see nothing to recant | |||
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