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"April 25 (Reuters) - Britain's Prime Minister Rishi Sunak wants to make a deal with the European Union to make it easier for his citizens to travel to the bloc, Bloomberg News reported on Tuesday, citing people familiar with the matter. Sunak is hoping to build on improved relations with the EU to reach an agreement to let Britons use EU e-gates for passport checks, which would speed up border crossings, the report said. You'd almost think we should be part of the EU ...oh .. wait" This is going to happen anyway when the ETIAS system is up and running. Passport stamps will not be required as the system will log each entry and exit digitally. Perhaps Sunak is planning to use something that is going to happen anyway to declare a win for himself? Stranger things… | |||
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"Why can't we just have reciprocal passport checks without having to be a member of the EU? " You mean like play golf for free without joining the club | |||
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"Why can't we just have reciprocal passport checks without having to be a member of the EU? You mean like play golf for free without joining the club" More like watching Netflix on your ex's account. | |||
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"Why can't we just have reciprocal passport checks without having to be a member of the EU? You mean like play golf for free without joining the club More like watching Netflix on your ex's account." (  ) | |||
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"Why can't we just have reciprocal passport checks without having to be a member of the EU? You mean like play golf for free without joining the club" It's a good analogy. So if I don't want to join a golf club for whatever reason, I can still pay green fees and play the course. Might mean I miss their Christmas Dinner or Quiz Night, but I didn't want to go anyway | |||
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"I've just checked, and both of the new EU entry/exit schemes have been delayed. Summer 2024 is now being mooted but the French are keen for something to happen before the Paris Olympics." Actually both schemes have been delayed until 2024 at the earliest, The Entry/Exit System (EES), a digitalised system that will see details collected of those who enter the bloc, has been beset by setbacks. Earlier this year, the European Commission confirmed the expected May 2023 launch had been pushed back to November. Now, the deadline has slipped into 2024. The setback will also impact the launch of the Etias (European Travel Information and Authorisation System) visa-waiver system for nationals of countries that do not currently need a visa to enter the EU, such as Britons, Americans and Australians. Etias is expected to launch between four and six months after the EES, but there are reports that French president Emmanuel Macron wants to delay the rollout of the visa-waiver system until after the 2024 Paris Olympics. This is because a large number of visitors from currently visa-free countries would be impacted by the changes, and could lead to chaos for French airports as millions of visitors come to France for the games. | |||
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"Why can't we just have reciprocal passport checks without having to be a member of the EU? You mean like play golf for free without joining the club It's a good analogy. So if I don't want to join a golf club for whatever reason, I can still pay green fees and play the course. Might mean I miss their Christmas Dinner or Quiz Night, but I didn't want to go anyway " So the UK will have to pay for this privilege?  | |||
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"Majority of brexiteers never left the uk. They don't like that foreign food, but love uber eats to deliver a curry on Fridays "The majority of brexiteers last trip was Germany in the early 40s | |||
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"It doesn't matter what "lane" you use. All non EU citizens have to have their passport stamped and checked to ensure compliance with the 90 day rule Freedom of movement is gone forever.... Live with it or stay at home ..." Incorrect It's gone until we rejoin the EU | |||
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"It doesn't matter what "lane" you use. All non EU citizens have to have their passport stamped and checked to ensure compliance with the 90 day rule Freedom of movement is gone forever.... Live with it or stay at home ... Incorrect It's gone until we rejoin the EU" Can't happen, people weren't happy with the deal we had and any new deal will be 1000x worse. That's even assuming all the EU countries would even allow the UK to join which is extremely unlikely. | |||
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"It doesn't matter what "lane" you use. All non EU citizens have to have their passport stamped and checked to ensure compliance with the 90 day rule Freedom of movement is gone forever.... Live with it or stay at home ... Incorrect It's gone until we rejoin the EU" Much as I agree with your sentiment, this is just not going to happen in the next two to three decades at the earliest. The U.K. needs to hit rock bottom and an entirely new generation must take the reins and steer the country into a more aligned future. A completely disastrous Brexit will help speed along this process. Brexit, will in the fullness of time, break Britain. Our youth will need to rebuild the damage that the crusty, racist fuckwits have done and re-build trust with our near neighbours. | |||
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"Why can't we just have reciprocal passport checks without having to be a member of the EU? You mean like play golf for free without joining the club It's a good analogy. So if I don't want to join a golf club for whatever reason, I can still pay green fees and play the course. Might mean I miss their Christmas Dinner or Quiz Night, but I didn't want to go anyway So the UK will have to pay for this privilege? "That's up to the EU. Some countries charge for visas, some don't. So long as arrangements are reciprocal I don't see the problem. Visas are a good record of who is entering/leaving our country. | |||
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"It doesn't matter what "lane" you use. All non EU citizens have to have their passport stamped and checked to ensure compliance with the 90 day rule Freedom of movement is gone forever.... Live with it or stay at home ... Incorrect It's gone until we rejoin the EU Much as I agree with your sentiment, this is just not going to happen in the next two to three decades at the earliest. The U.K. needs to hit rock bottom and an entirely new generation must take the reins and steer the country into a more aligned future. A completely disastrous Brexit will help speed along this process. Brexit, will in the fullness of time, break Britain. Our youth will need to rebuild the damage that the crusty, racist fuckwits have done and re-build trust with our near neighbours. " | |||
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"It doesn't matter what "lane" you use. All non EU citizens have to have their passport stamped and checked to ensure compliance with the 90 day rule Freedom of movement is gone forever.... Live with it or stay at home ... Incorrect It's gone until we rejoin the EU Much as I agree with your sentiment, this is just not going to happen in the next two to three decades at the earliest. The U.K. needs to hit rock bottom and an entirely new generation must take the reins and steer the country into a more aligned future. A completely disastrous Brexit will help speed along this process. Brexit, will in the fullness of time, break Britain. Our youth will need to rebuild the damage that the crusty, racist fuckwits have done and re-build trust with our near neighbours. " These "crusty, racist f***wits".....?!? Could you please be more specific? | |||
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" ... These "crusty, racist f***wits".....?!? Could you please be more specific?" How much more specific can two words be (if you leave out 'crusty')? | |||
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"It doesn't matter what "lane" you use. All non EU citizens have to have their passport stamped and checked to ensure compliance with the 90 day rule Freedom of movement is gone forever.... Live with it or stay at home ... Incorrect It's gone until we rejoin the EU Much as I agree with your sentiment, this is just not going to happen in the next two to three decades at the earliest. The U.K. needs to hit rock bottom and an entirely new generation must take the reins and steer the country into a more aligned future. A completely disastrous Brexit will help speed along this process. Brexit, will in the fullness of time, break Britain. Our youth will need to rebuild the damage that the crusty, racist fuckwits have done and re-build trust with our near neighbours. These "crusty, racist f***wits".....?!? Could you please be more specific?" Everyone who voted leave is a crusty, racist fuckwit  | |||
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"It doesn't matter what "lane" you use. All non EU citizens have to have their passport stamped and checked to ensure compliance with the 90 day rule Freedom of movement is gone forever.... Live with it or stay at home ... Incorrect It's gone until we rejoin the EU Much as I agree with your sentiment, this is just not going to happen in the next two to three decades at the earliest. The U.K. needs to hit rock bottom and an entirely new generation must take the reins and steer the country into a more aligned future. A completely disastrous Brexit will help speed along this process. Brexit, will in the fullness of time, break Britain. Our youth will need to rebuild the damage that the crusty, racist fuckwits have done and re-build trust with our near neighbours. These "crusty, racist f***wits".....?!? Could you please be more specific? Everyone who voted leave is a crusty, racist fuckwit "In the interests of balance and impartiality could we have some some suggestions for crude stereotypes of remainers? | |||
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"ETIAS doesn't cover Eire, which could be problematic. Pre-purchased electronic visas are the way forward. I have them for Canada, USA and Australia, and it's never been a problem." Is there not a special relationship (pre EU) for passport checks between Ireland and the UK though? I know when I go to England I don't show my passport on arrival. There's a separate line and I think I might have showed my boarding pass. | |||
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"It doesn't matter what "lane" you use. All non EU citizens have to have their passport stamped and checked to ensure compliance with the 90 day rule Freedom of movement is gone forever.... Live with it or stay at home ... Incorrect It's gone until we rejoin the EU Much as I agree with your sentiment, this is just not going to happen in the next two to three decades at the earliest. The U.K. needs to hit rock bottom and an entirely new generation must take the reins and steer the country into a more aligned future. A completely disastrous Brexit will help speed along this process. Brexit, will in the fullness of time, break Britain. Our youth will need to rebuild the damage that the crusty, racist fuckwits have done and re-build trust with our near neighbours. These "crusty, racist f***wits".....?!? Could you please be more specific? Everyone who voted leave is a crusty, racist fuckwit
In the interests of balance and impartiality could we have some some suggestions for crude stereotypes of remainers?"Woke Remoaner Snowflakes that should fuck off out of the country. Is generally accepted standard. | |||
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"In the interests of balance and impartiality could we have some some suggestions for crude stereotypes of remainers? Woke Remoaner Snowflakes that should fuck off out of the country. Is generally accepted standard. " 'Cringe' is a better word than woke, it easily covers those folk who are indoctrinated to declare their pronouns and also what mental disorders and physical impairments they have. | |||
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"In the interests of balance and impartiality could we have some some suggestions for crude stereotypes of remainers? Woke Remoaner Snowflakes that should fuck off out of the country. Is generally accepted standard. 'Cringe' is a better word than woke, it easily covers those folk who are indoctrinated to declare their pronouns and also what mental disorders and physical impairments they have." faithful followers believers in the natural selection of the ruling elites. I could of said the above with one word but that would of been easy. | |||
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"April 25 (Reuters) - Britain's Prime Minister Rishi Sunak wants to make a deal with the European Union to make it easier for his citizens to travel to the bloc, Bloomberg News reported on Tuesday, citing people familiar with the matter. Sunak is hoping to build on improved relations with the EU to reach an agreement to let Britons use EU e-gates for passport checks, which would speed up border crossings, the report said. You'd almost think we should be part of the EU ...oh .. wait" They have the option to do that already. It doesn't need a deal. It just needs the airports and coutnries not to be petty children. | |||
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"I've not been myself but hear that Portugal allow UK citizens through the EU lane as per pre brexit so it is possible. With the NI issue looking better I think he will try a few things like this, including the science club thing. One of SKS selling points is to have closer ties with the EU but without 're joining or even joining EEA. Maybe Sunak is trying to beat him to it " Yes. Multiple airports list thay uk citizens can use the e gates in the e.y..its uo to the airports and countries themselves. We allow them to use our e gates when arriving as we aren't petty children. Sadly some coutnries and airports are run by 5 year olds. | |||
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"ETIAS doesn't cover Eire, which could be problematic. Pre-purchased electronic visas are the way forward. I have them for Canada, USA and Australia, and it's never been a problem. Is there not a special relationship (pre EU) for passport checks between Ireland and the UK though? I know when I go to England I don't show my passport on arrival. There's a separate line and I think I might have showed my boarding pass. " The Common Travel Area which still exists, it covers travel between the UK, Ireland, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. | |||
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"I would have thought it would be cheaper and easier to allow biometric passport holders to use the eGates. I'm not 100% sure how stamps are in any way meant to enforce the rule of being in a Schengen area for be no longer than 90 days in every 180 days. I have lots of stamps, I travel a lot, they never get checked just stamped. " Tourists probably won’t be checked too forensically, but those who have holiday homes or boats in the EU, regular business travellers and caravaners will likely get a closer look. It’s all immaterial anyway when E gates get used universally as all travel in, and out will be digitally logged. | |||
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"April 25 (Reuters) - Britain's Prime Minister Rishi Sunak wants to make a deal with the European Union to make it easier for his citizens to travel to the bloc, Bloomberg News reported on Tuesday, citing people familiar with the matter. Sunak is hoping to build on improved relations with the EU to reach an agreement to let Britons use EU e-gates for passport checks, which would speed up border crossings, the report said. You'd almost think we should be part of the EU ...oh .. wait They have the option to do that already. It doesn't need a deal. It just needs the airports and coutnries not to be petty children." for those who voted to restrict free movement in Europe and have then discovered that this works both ways - its always somebody else’s fault isn’t it …. (usually french passport control - is the standard) | |||
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"April 25 (Reuters) - Britain's Prime Minister Rishi Sunak wants to make a deal with the European Union to make it easier for his citizens to travel to the bloc, Bloomberg News reported on Tuesday, citing people familiar with the matter. Sunak is hoping to build on improved relations with the EU to reach an agreement to let Britons use EU e-gates for passport checks, which would speed up border crossings, the report said. You'd almost think we should be part of the EU ...oh .. wait They have the option to do that already. It doesn't need a deal. It just needs the airports and coutnries not to be petty children. for those who voted to restrict free movement in Europe and have then discovered that this works both ways - its always somebody else’s fault isn’t it …. (usually french passport control - is the standard) "Nobody questions the need for border controls. It's a good thing to know who is entering/leaving our country. But it's reasonable for checks to be efficient - like they are at borders around the world. | |||
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"April 25 (Reuters) - Britain's Prime Minister Rishi Sunak wants to make a deal with the European Union to make it easier for his citizens to travel to the bloc, Bloomberg News reported on Tuesday, citing people familiar with the matter. Sunak is hoping to build on improved relations with the EU to reach an agreement to let Britons use EU e-gates for passport checks, which would speed up border crossings, the report said. You'd almost think we should be part of the EU ...oh .. wait They have the option to do that already. It doesn't need a deal. It just needs the airports and coutnries not to be petty children. for those who voted to restrict free movement in Europe and have then discovered that this works both ways - its always somebody else’s fault isn’t it …. (usually french passport control - is the standard) "Its up to countries or airports if they wish to allow e gate access. If they don't then that's their choice people will go.elsehwere | |||
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"I've not been myself but hear that Portugal allow UK citizens through the EU lane as per pre brexit so it is possible. With the NI issue looking better I think he will try a few things like this, including the science club thing. One of SKS selling points is to have closer ties with the EU but without 're joining or even joining EEA. Maybe Sunak is trying to beat him to it " The situation, as I understand it, is not quite as simple as has been made out. Whilst the Portuguese are allowing UK passport holders to use the e-gates their passports still have to be stamped. The Portuguese are simply just stamping the passports as you pass through rather than checking them properly to make sure that your entry is within the 90/180 day limit. They are technically in breach of their EU commitments. | |||
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"If Scotland gains independence you will need your port pass stamped because the irony is they would wish to join a union after leaving one. "I think, in all likelihood, Scotland, like Ireland before it, would choose to stay in the common travel area with the rest of Great Britain and all of Ireland. It would be crazy to do otherwise. | |||
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"I went through the E Gates at Schipol last summer. There was an officer sat the other side, who was stamping passports." In the Canary Islands a few weeks back, the eGates were being used for arriving Brits, but no stamp. For departing passengers only the airline ground staff checked passports. No Immigration. | |||
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"Why can't we just have reciprocal passport checks without having to be a member of the EU? " We could but Boris didn't ask for it. In fact, in the name of "taking back control of our borders" it was Boris and the hard line Brexiters that insisted that full passport and immigration controls exist between the UK and Europe. | |||
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"I've not been myself but hear that Portugal allow UK citizens through the EU lane as per pre brexit so it is possible. With the NI issue looking better I think he will try a few things like this, including the science club thing. One of SKS selling points is to have closer ties with the EU but without 're joining or even joining EEA. Maybe Sunak is trying to beat him to it The situation, as I understand it, is not quite as simple as has been made out. Whilst the Portuguese are allowing UK passport holders to use the e-gates their passports still have to be stamped. The Portuguese are simply just stamping the passports as you pass through rather than checking them properly to make sure that your entry is within the 90/180 day limit. They are technically in breach of their EU commitments." The last time I went abroad (pre covid) I had to use those so called automatic machines that check your passport to your face on the screen. It took ages as everyone was having problems and the Que built up. For those that it simply would not work were directed to a desk to have their passport checked manually. They went through in seconds while the rest of us were held up fighting the machine | |||
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"It doesn't matter what "lane" you use. All non EU citizens have to have their passport stamped and checked to ensure compliance with the 90 day rule Freedom of movement is gone forever.... Live with it or stay at home ..." It’s terrible , loads of youngsters my kids know came home from travelling Europe , they can’t work legally anymore with paperwork and so we’re being treated just the same as Chinese illegal imigrants paid 4 euro per hour for bar and restaurant work | |||
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" Freedom of movement is gone forever.... Live with it or stay at home ... It’s terrible , loads of youngsters my kids know came home from travelling Europe , they can’t work legally anymore with paperwork and so we’re being treated just the same as Chinese illegal imigrants paid 4 euro per hour for bar and restaurant work " Well worth it, though, if it helped our national hero get the top job he craved so much! The team spirit involved should make us proud to be British! | |||
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"Why can't we just have reciprocal passport checks without having to be a member of the EU? We could but Boris didn't ask for it. In fact, in the name of "taking back control of our borders" it was Boris and the hard line Brexiters that insisted that full passport and immigration controls exist between the UK and Europe." Yes the good old Brxiteers and Tories demanding a clean break from the EU and suddenly want the benefits of membership. Seems like this Brexit lark was all a bit of a farce. Silence from Brexiteers about the shit show the UK is currently in is deafening. Next the will want back in the EU. You couldn't make it up. Lol | |||
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"Majority of brexiteers never left the uk. They don't like that foreign food, but love uber eats to deliver a curry on Fridays
The majority of brexiteers last trip was Germany in the early 40s"Well said. | |||
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"I've not been myself but hear that Portugal allow UK citizens through the EU lane as per pre brexit so it is possible. With the NI issue looking better I think he will try a few things like this, including the science club thing. One of SKS selling points is to have closer ties with the EU but without 're joining or even joining EEA. Maybe Sunak is trying to beat him to it Yes. Multiple airports list thay uk citizens can use the e gates in the e.y..its uo to the airports and countries themselves. We allow them to use our e gates when arriving as we aren't petty children. Sadly some coutnries and airports are run by 5 year olds." Not quite right, some airports and borders are run by those that wish to catch those who commited crime against their population. Passport checks are very common in the Balkans, they have the technology but still manually check as well. Digital stamping has been around for ages, I have been stopped twice at borders because until 2015 I only had entries or exits recorded from various countries, rarely a entry and exit from the same country. | |||
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"Why can't we just have reciprocal passport checks without having to be a member of the EU? You mean like play golf for free without joining the club" this | |||
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"Perhaps we should rejoin it will make lots of things simpler "this. 100% | |||
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"I've not been myself but hear that Portugal allow UK citizens through the EU lane as per pre brexit so it is possible. With the NI issue looking better I think he will try a few things like this, including the science club thing. One of SKS selling points is to have closer ties with the EU but without 're joining or even joining EEA. Maybe Sunak is trying to beat him to it Yes. Multiple airports list thay uk citizens can use the e gates in the e.y..its uo to the airports and countries themselves. We allow them to use our e gates when arriving as we aren't petty children. Sadly some coutnries and airports are run by 5 year olds. Not quite right, some airports and borders are run by those that wish to catch those who commited crime against their population. Passport checks are very common in the Balkans, they have the technology but still manually check as well. Digital stamping has been around for ages, I have been stopped twice at borders because until 2015 I only had entries or exits recorded from various countries, rarely a entry and exit from the same country. " So then you confirm I am right. | |||
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"April 25 (Reuters) - Britain's Prime Minister Rishi Sunak wants to make a deal with the European Union to make it easier for his citizens to travel to the bloc, Bloomberg News reported on Tuesday, citing people familiar with the matter. Sunak is hoping to build on improved relations with the EU to reach an agreement to let Britons use EU e-gates for passport checks, which would speed up border crossings, the report said. You'd almost think we should be part of the EU ...oh .. wait" maybe if we did the same to them coming here it might quicken up over in Europe | |||
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"It doesn't matter what "lane" you use. All non EU citizens have to have their passport stamped and checked to ensure compliance with the 90 day rule Freedom of movement is gone forever.... Live with it or stay at home ..." haha freedom as never left and you can stay longer than 90 days just get a fine so depends how much you want to go | |||
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