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"Why should those of us who pay our bills subsidise those who don't? This will be the inevitable consequence of banning pre-payment meters." People who pre pay for their energy can not get into debt, were people who pay quarterly pay after they have used it and can get into debt. So it will be pre pay customers who can not get into energy debt subbing non pre pay customers who can get into debt.  | |||
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"Why should those of us who pay our bills subsidise those who don't? This will be the inevitable consequence of banning pre-payment meters. People who pre pay for their energy can not get into debt, were people who pay quarterly pay after they have used it and can get into debt. So it will be pre pay customers who can not get into energy debt subbing non pre pay customers who can get into debt. "But with the new ban of installation of pre payment meters for the over 85 and anyone with certen conditions. It will be up to the rest to pick up the cost. Hence OFGEM are looking at rasing the price cap just as the wholesale prise is falling. | |||
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"Why should those of us who pay our bills subsidise those who don't? This will be the inevitable consequence of banning pre-payment meters. People who pre pay for their energy can not get into debt, were people who pay quarterly pay after they have used it and can get into debt. So it will be pre pay customers who can not get into energy debt subbing non pre pay customers who can get into debt.
But with the new ban of installation of pre payment meters for the over 85 and anyone with certen conditions. It will be up to the rest to pick up the cost.
Hence OFGEM are looking at rasing the price cap just as the wholesale prise is falling. "The solution is to implement pre pay for everyone. That would stop energy debt straight away. | |||
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"Why should those of us who pay our bills subsidise those who don't? This will be the inevitable consequence of banning pre-payment meters. People who pre pay for their energy can not get into debt, were people who pay quarterly pay after they have used it and can get into debt. So it will be pre pay customers who can not get into energy debt subbing non pre pay customers who can get into debt.
But with the new ban of installation of pre payment meters for the over 85 and anyone with certen conditions. It will be up to the rest to pick up the cost.
Hence OFGEM are looking at rasing the price cap just as the wholesale prise is falling.
The solution is to implement pre pay for everyone. That would stop energy debt straight away."Isn't that pretty much what all energy companies insist on for their direct debit customers? They split the annual estimated bill into 12 equal installments so if you start paying in the spring you build up substantial credit, effectively pre paying hundreds of pounds towards the winter. | |||
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"Why should those of us who pay our bills subsidise those who don't? This will be the inevitable consequence of banning pre-payment meters. People who pre pay for their energy can not get into debt, were people who pay quarterly pay after they have used it and can get into debt. So it will be pre pay customers who can not get into energy debt subbing non pre pay customers who can get into debt.
But with the new ban of installation of pre payment meters for the over 85 and anyone with certen conditions. It will be up to the rest to pick up the cost.
Hence OFGEM are looking at rasing the price cap just as the wholesale prise is falling.
The solution is to implement pre pay for everyone. That would stop energy debt straight away.
Isn't that pretty much what all energy companies insist on for their direct debit customers?
They split the annual estimated bill into 12 equal installments so if you start paying in the spring you build up substantial credit, effectively pre paying hundreds of pounds towards the winter."Yep we are generally always in credit but we do get it cheaper then prepayment meter users | |||
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"If I was struggling on low pay with kids , because of bad government, I wouldn’t be the slightest concerned about paying the gas bills or that wealthier people pay more. As always you deflect the problem to the poorest / most innocent " Having children requires a big investment in time and money. If you can't afford them, don't have them. | |||
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"If I was struggling on low pay with kids , because of bad government, I wouldn’t be the slightest concerned about paying the gas bills or that wealthier people pay more. As always you deflect the problem to the poorest / most innocent Having children requires a big investment in time and money. If you can't afford them, don't have them." What if your circumstances change ? You can’t just put them back where they came from. With attitudes like that , UK gets exactly what it deserves from Tories, bojo etc no wonder your country is so shit these days | |||
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"If I was struggling on low pay with kids , because of bad government, I wouldn’t be the slightest concerned about paying the gas bills or that wealthier people pay more. As always you deflect the problem to the poorest / most innocent Having children requires a big investment in time and money. If you can't afford them, don't have them. What if your circumstances change ? You can’t just put them back where they came from. With attitudes like that , UK gets exactly what it deserves from Tories, bojo etc no wonder your country is so shit these days " Well said  | |||
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"If I was struggling on low pay with kids , because of bad government, I wouldn’t be the slightest concerned about paying the gas bills or that wealthier people pay more. As always you deflect the problem to the poorest / most innocent Having children requires a big investment in time and money. If you can't afford them, don't have them." Let's hope you don't fall on hard times. What an attitude towards poorer people you have. | |||
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"If I was struggling on low pay with kids , because of bad government, I wouldn’t be the slightest concerned about paying the gas bills or that wealthier people pay more. As always you deflect the problem to the poorest / most innocent Having children requires a big investment in time and money. If you can't afford them, don't have them." Wow judgmental much... It does not take much to change circumstances | |||
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"If I was struggling on low pay with kids , because of bad government, I wouldn’t be the slightest concerned about paying the gas bills or that wealthier people pay more. As always you deflect the problem to the poorest / most innocent Having children requires a big investment in time and money. If you can't afford them, don't have them." Have to say I'm with you I made a choice with my wife that we did not want any due to cost and other factors. Lots of people are now having 3 or more then complain about the cost. | |||
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" ... The solution is to implement pre pay for everyone. That would stop energy debt straight away. Isn't that pretty much what all energy companies insist on for their direct debit customers? They split the annual estimated bill into 12 equal installments so if you start paying in the spring you build up substantial credit, effectively pre paying hundreds of pounds towards the winter." Is that not a very crafty ruse being perpetrated on the direct debit customers? Because they know that they are in credit all the time, they are far less likely to rebel against the prices because they know that they have enough balance to cushion the rises. I have actually heard numerous people saying precisely that without realising that they have been duped into that way of thinking. Are any of you forumites thinking that way? I'm not because I still pay quarterly in arrears (probably at a more punitive rate, however). | |||
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" ... The solution is to implement pre pay for everyone. That would stop energy debt straight away. Isn't that pretty much what all energy companies insist on for their direct debit customers? They split the annual estimated bill into 12 equal installments so if you start paying in the spring you build up substantial credit, effectively pre paying hundreds of pounds towards the winter. Is that not a very crafty ruse being perpetrated on the direct debit customers? Because they know that they are in credit all the time, they are far less likely to rebel against the prices because they know that they have enough balance to cushion the rises. I have actually heard numerous people saying precisely that without realising that they have been duped into that way of thinking. Are any of you forumites thinking that way? I'm not because I still pay quarterly in arrears (probably at a more punitive rate, however)." No just think its an easy ballance pay more in summer get in front then when winter hits you don't worry. Now if you ask is good for the planet and global warming he'll NO as when the clold it's your in so much credit it not a problem to have heating on for longer. | |||
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" ... They split the annual estimated bill into 12 equal installments so if you start paying in the spring you build up substantial credit, effectively pre paying hundreds of pounds towards the winter. Is that not a very crafty ruse being perpetrated on the direct debit customers? Because they know that they are in credit all the time, they are far less likely to rebel against the prices because they know that they have enough balance to cushion the rises. I have actually heard numerous people saying precisely that without realising that they have been duped into that way of thinking. Are any of you forumites thinking that way? I'm not because I still pay quarterly in arrears (probably at a more punitive rate, however). No just think its an easy ballance pay more in summer get in front then when winter hits you don't worry. ..." In a way you are reinforcing my point. The energy companies are more likely to get away with price rises if people feel that having an excess in their account will cushion the blow. If the ability to pay is always stretched and people don't ever find themselves in credit, then customer rebellion is more of a reality. To avoid this happening, the companies are deliberately over billing direct debit customers in order to create the illusion of cushioning. | |||
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"If the ability to pay is always stretched and people don't ever find themselves in credit, then customer rebellion is more of a reality. To avoid this happening, the companies are deliberately over billing direct debit customers in order to create the illusion of cushioning." It seems to be that it's much simpler than that. If they over-charge you, they have some of your money in their bank. Do that to enough people, and you have a fund that you can invest to earn yourself some free money. | |||
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"If the ability to pay is always stretched and people don't ever find themselves in credit, then customer rebellion is more of a reality. To avoid this happening, the companies are deliberately over billing direct debit customers in order to create the illusion of cushioning. It seems to be that it's much simpler than that. If they over-charge you, they have some of your money in their bank. Do that to enough people, and you have a fund that you can invest to earn yourself some free money." Exactly. They win twice over! | |||
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