FabSwingers.com forum: Labour And That Tweet

By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

Labour have issued a tweet, saying that PM Rishi Sunak, doesnt believe that child abusers should go to prison.

I've just seen Labour shadow cabinet member, Lucy Powell, squirm through an interview about it. Despite being asked numerous times if she believed it, she wasn't able to answer yes or no.

Are Labour right, or is this a case of playing the man?

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

The tweet is still there.

It's definitely trying to play the man but judging by the twitter comments, it's backfiring.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Dog whistle politics.

One week you think the Tory’s have hit the gutter then Labours like hold my beer………

And the cycle repeats

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Ah bless them, trying to be tough

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Poor behaviour by Labour. If you want to take the moral high ground, then you need to be consistent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't like this.

This wouldn't have happened under sunaks tenure. So playing the man by making him prominent.

There is no doubt nuance in the data (always is) and in this day and age you can cote the data not the source.

However as untasteful as it is, the timing and possibly intentional coupling to Braverman is spot on.

But I dont want politics to be about this.

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By *rLibertineMan
over a year ago

North Suffolk

I don’t like it - and am disappointed Starmer hasn’t acknowledged the error - doubling down is not helping

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By *ill69888Couple
over a year ago

cheltenham

I think I am correct in that it was a certain Labour MP that shared a tweet saying that young girl victims of grooming gangs should keep their mouths shut… oh how short the memories are of people!

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Personally I think it is in bad taste and the justification being made is that Conservatives didn’t seem to mind Boris Johnson claiming that Starmer failed to imprison Jimmy Saville.

Both equally bad, but taking the high ground has some merits and Labour should not have released that tweet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Labour have issued a tweet, saying that PM Rishi Sunak, doesnt believe that child abusers should go to prison.

I've just seen Labour shadow cabinet member, Lucy Powell, squirm through an interview about it. Despite being asked numerous times if she believed it, she wasn't able to answer yes or no.

Are Labour right, or is this a case of playing the man?

This seems very risky thing to do and they simply don't need to take the risk in the first place. It may be a slight panic response to Sunak plodding through his agenda in a normal way. I think we have got so used to people like Boris messing up on a regular basis, giving plenty of opportunity to other parties to exploit. I hope this is not a preview of what's to come. I did notice it is all political parties condemning this tweet so for once they are united

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Looks like labour have finally realised if they want to beat the tories they have to get in the gutter with them

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Bad taste?

Possibly yes..

Right to go after them on their record of failure in many areas of policy, totally ..

And the Tories now crying foul have their own history of dishing the dirt..

Faux outrage on their behalf..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is in bad taste but politics is a ‘dirty’ game atm, they are just playing fire with fire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Labour should be careful if they want to play this attack line.

Sir Keir Starmer was director of Public Prosecutions between 2008 and 2013. I bet the Tories are furiously digging through the records now to see just how "high" CPS conviction rates were for such crimes under SKS's tenure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Labour should be careful if they want to play this attack line.

I would have thought they have already looked and found nothing to use

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Labour should be careful if they want to play this attack line.

I would have thought they have already looked and found nothing to use "
this is about sentencing not convictions. No nothing to do with cps.

One may also say sentencing has little to do with the government either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guess it’s working, good or bad, people are talking about Labour.

It’s about time, tories have been playing this game for years.

What Labour have said is true, this current government claims to be the party of law and order, yet it has attacked the the rule of law, dismantled the legal system, reduced spending in policing, reduced spending in prisons. Have been impotent in rooting out police corruption. Created laws which are part of their ongoing culture wars.

For too long, Labour have gone high ground, instead of telling it how it is.

Like how the tories have systematically over the past 13 years reduced people’s life expectancies in the UK, or how their war on the poor has actually killed people.

The Tories are a bunch of genocidal maniacs.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Guess it’s working, good or bad, people are talking about Labour.

It’s about time, tories have been playing this game for years.

For too long, Labour have gone high ground, instead of telling it how it is.

Like how the tories have systematically over the past 13 years reduced people’s life expectancies in the UK, or how their war on the poor has actually killed people.

The Tories are a bunch of genocidal maniacs. "

You're really showing yourself up by saying 'what Labour are saying is true'.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"The Tories are a bunch of genocidal maniacs. "

@Abernath, Are you serious with this part of your post?

I thought I was lost for words from another left wing poster on a different thread, but you have managed to go the extra mile.

I'm looking forward to hearing how you got to this conclusion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Tories are a bunch of genocidal maniacs.

@Abernath, Are you serious with this part of your post?

I thought I was lost for words from another left wing poster on a different thread, but you have managed to go the extra mile.

I'm looking forward to hearing how you got to this conclusion.

Check the stats, the tories have been responsible for more deaths in the UK due to their ‘policies’ than any other political party in the 21st Century.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

It's in the form of a poster statement endorsed by Sunak's signature. An appalling libel and fraud. Starmer is a KC and this shows his judgement is flawed.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"Labour have issued a tweet, saying that PM Rishi Sunak, doesnt believe that child abusers should go to prison.

I've just seen Labour shadow cabinet member, Lucy Powell, squirm through an interview about it. Despite being asked numerous times if she believed it, she wasn't able to answer yes or no.

Are Labour right, or is this a case of playing the man?

Not the best tweet.

Givent he Conservatives have bow rolled out every single sex offender that didn't go to jail unter stormers time at the cps

Bad time for starmer

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

The Conservative party has played this game year after year, decade after decade.

Perhaps the Labour party have just given up playing by rules that nobody except the LibDems and Green party are playing by?

It's a shame that that's where we are though.

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By *illi3736Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow

This is politics not cricket. The Tories have led us into one cock up after another and changed leaders so often that No10 now has a revolving front door. Time they went and took their poisonous policies with them. Not a single positive in over a decade if you are earning less than 40k

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By *illowendMan
over a year ago

Southwold

His role wasn’t to dictate conviction rates

"Labour should be careful if they want to play this attack line.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

One of Labour's big selling points was that they are not the conservatives and given how the last few years have been that would have been more than enough. Then they seem to be Tory light but still not conservatives so still better. Now they have given up the moral high ground willingly for better or worse. Getting harder to claim much of a difference lately. Just an opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One of Labour's big selling points was that they are not the conservatives and given how the last few years have been that would have been more than enough. Then they seem to be Tory light but still not conservatives so still better. Now they have given up the moral high ground willingly for better or worse. Getting harder to claim much of a difference lately. Just an opinion"

Weird world where the Lib Dems look more radical an opposition than Labour is to the Tories.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"His role wasn’t to dictate conviction rates

True, but as head of CPS beforehand he's going to be perceived to be at least responsible for charging rate, if not conviction rate, no matter if it's the truth or not.

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

It would be better to try and raise standards in politics.

It seems that this is just the first of a series of Labour attacks.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"It would be better to try and raise standards in politics.

It seems that this is just the first of a series of Labour attacks. "

Compared to the Tories, they had the higher standards. For some reason they decided to lower themselves. Maybe they believe it will help their chances of getting elected? (It definitely won't).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It feels distasteful and lacking in integrity. I’d hoped better for Labour.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"The Tories are a bunch of genocidal maniacs.

@Abernath, Are you serious with this part of your post?

I thought I was lost for words from another left wing poster on a different thread, but you have managed to go the extra mile.

I'm looking forward to hearing how you got to this conclusion.

Check the stats, the tories have been responsible for more deaths in the UK due to their ‘policies’ than any other political party in the 21st Century."

Using "genocidal maniacs" is extreme and basically wrong. You have diminished the real atrocities that have been part of a dark and painful history, and it shows zero respect to those who have suffered as a result of genocide.

The language you chose to use mirrors the labour parties new campaign, but you have managed to go that one step further in the wrong direction, and that is why the labour parties campaign should be pulled as it encourages this type of nonsense.

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By *esYesOMGYes!Man
over a year ago

M20

I saw a video of Owen Jones of all people defending Sunak.

Apparently these laws which have been brought in, were written years ago by a panel which included, are you ready for this? Kier Starmer.

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"The Tories are a bunch of genocidal maniacs.

@Abernath, Are you serious with this part of your post?

I thought I was lost for words from another left wing poster on a different thread, but you have managed to go the extra mile.

I'm looking forward to hearing how you got to this conclusion.

Check the stats, the tories have been responsible for more deaths in the UK due to their ‘policies’ than any other political party in the 21st Century."

I think even The Sun would be too ashamed to try to use use that as a meaningful statistic.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"Guess it’s working, good or bad, people are talking about Labour.

It’s about time, tories have been playing this game for years.

For too long, Labour have gone high ground, instead of telling it how it is.

Like how the tories have systematically over the past 13 years reduced people’s life expectancies in the UK, or how their war on the poor has actually killed people.

The Tories are a bunch of genocidal maniacs. "
hahahaha you never fail to disappoint with your over the top hysterical posts, your funnier than some comedians

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"It would be better to try and raise standards in politics.

It seems that this is just the first of a series of Labour attacks. "

Again, this is what the Tories have done election after election.

It's sad that the Labour party should pursue the same path, but it has been successful.

It absolutely had not been the success of Conservative party policies and results that have kept them in power.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"It would be better to try and raise standards in politics.

It seems that this is just the first of a series of Labour attacks.

Again, this is what the Tories have done election after election.

It's sad that the Labour party should pursue the same path, but it has been successful.

It absolutely had not been the success of Conservative party policies and results that have kept them in power."

It may have been successful for the Tories but Labour and Labour supporters like to be known as Morally Superior to the Tories.

This has and will continue to backfire spectacularly.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"It would be better to try and raise standards in politics.

It seems that this is just the first of a series of Labour attacks.

Again, this is what the Tories have done election after election.

It's sad that the Labour party should pursue the same path, but it has been successful.

It absolutely had not been the success of Conservative party policies and results that have kept them in power.

It may have been successful for the Tories but Labour and Labour supporters like to be known as Morally Superior to the Tories.

This has and will continue to backfire spectacularly."

Tories also believe that they are superior. That's tribalism.

Are Labour supporters not going to vote Labour because of these adds? Probably it will not change their intention.

Will it change the swing voter's? Perhaps. They are the ones who Tory attack adds have worked on in the past, so why would the Labour party not do the same?

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"It would be better to try and raise standards in politics.

It seems that this is just the first of a series of Labour attacks.

Again, this is what the Tories have done election after election.

It's sad that the Labour party should pursue the same path, but it has been successful.

It absolutely had not been the success of Conservative party policies and results that have kept them in power.

It may have been successful for the Tories but Labour and Labour supporters like to be known as Morally Superior to the Tories.

This has and will continue to backfire spectacularly.

Tories also believe that they are superior. That's tribalism.

Are Labour supporters not going to vote Labour because of these adds? Probably it will not change their intention.

Will it change the swing voter's? Perhaps. They are the ones who Tory attack adds have worked on in the past, so why would the Labour party not do the same?"

I've never seen a Tory think they're Morally Superior, superior yes but not morally.

Actually, judging by what I've been reading it may very well make Labour voters switch their vote. If Owen Jones is taking them to task, you can be rest assured that plenty who aren't as ardent as him are also unhappy about this.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"His role wasn’t to dictate conviction rates

Labour should be careful if they want to play this attack line.

Starmers role at cps was to agree minimum terms people would be jailed for etc.

Ig you take responsibility as he did for celebrated prosecutions you take the blame for the failures too.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"It would be better to try and raise standards in politics.

It seems that this is just the first of a series of Labour attacks.

Again, this is what the Tories have done election after election.

It's sad that the Labour party should pursue the same path, but it has been successful.

It absolutely had not been the success of Conservative party policies and results that have kept them in power.

It may have been successful for the Tories but Labour and Labour supporters like to be known as Morally Superior to the Tories.

This has and will continue to backfire spectacularly."

Agreed.

They've messed this up completely.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

In fairness, the Tories are using their PR might all the time. They are always "trying".

But I agree in general. The party that represents the interests of big corporations (IE the money), are in no real danger of losing the next election.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

And now the old Emily thornerry interviews are resurfacing

Hes just dropped several points I " best leader polls"

That tweet has been a disaster

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ? "

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?"

They like misinformation and lies

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias..."

Really? If labour are adopting a Tory tactic (the tweet) surely this will appeal to a Tory voter, otherwise why would the tories do the same?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"It would be better to try and raise standards in politics.

It seems that this is just the first of a series of Labour attacks.

Again, this is what the Tories have done election after election.

It's sad that the Labour party should pursue the same path, but it has been successful.

It absolutely had not been the success of Conservative party policies and results that have kept them in power.

It may have been successful for the Tories but Labour and Labour supporters like to be known as Morally Superior to the Tories.

This has and will continue to backfire spectacularly.

Tories also believe that they are superior. That's tribalism.

Are Labour supporters not going to vote Labour because of these adds? Probably it will not change their intention.

Will it change the swing voter's? Perhaps. They are the ones who Tory attack adds have worked on in the past, so why would the Labour party not do the same?

I've never seen a Tory think they're Morally Superior, superior yes but not morally.

Really? I certainly have.

I'm not a Labour supporter either. You can process that how you wish.

Being unhappy about something and not voting for the Labour party and allowing the Conservative party to remain in powered are very different things.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

And now the old Emily thornerry interviews are resurfacing

Hes just dropped several points I " best leader polls"

That tweet has been a disaster "

This!

Whomever I was making the point to, the Tories are always on the case, always "trying".

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias...

Really? If labour are adopting a Tory tactic (the tweet) surely this will appeal to a Tory voter, otherwise why would the tories do the same? "

Why are you saying adopting a tory tactic? This type of thing has been around for years and labour are not newcomers to the game but have yet to master it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias...

Really? If labour are adopting a Tory tactic (the tweet) surely this will appeal to a Tory voter, otherwise why would the tories do the same?

Why are you saying adopting a tory tactic? This type of thing has been around for years and labour are not newcomers to the game but have yet to master it."

The tories have mastered it and they keep winning elections, don’t get me wrong, I think it was a stupid thing to do, but it works for the tories

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias...

Really? If labour are adopting a Tory tactic (the tweet) surely this will appeal to a Tory voter, otherwise why would the tories do the same?

Why are you saying adopting a tory tactic? This type of thing has been around for years and labour are not newcomers to the game but have yet to master it."

If that's the case then there is nothing new to discuss.

Are the accusations in any way true, do we know?

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"It would be better to try and raise standards in politics.

It seems that this is just the first of a series of Labour attacks.

Again, this is what the Tories have done election after election.

It's sad that the Labour party should pursue the same path, but it has been successful.

It absolutely had not been the success of Conservative party policies and results that have kept them in power.

It may have been successful for the Tories but Labour and Labour supporters like to be known as Morally Superior to the Tories.

This has and will continue to backfire spectacularly.

Tories also believe that they are superior. That's tribalism.

Are Labour supporters not going to vote Labour because of these adds? Probably it will not change their intention.

Will it change the swing voter's? Perhaps. They are the ones who Tory attack adds have worked on in the past, so why would the Labour party not do the same?

I've never seen a Tory think they're Morally Superior, superior yes but not morally.

Really? I certainly have.

I'm not a Labour supporter either. You can process that how you wish.

Being unhappy about something and not voting for the Labour party and allowing the Conservative party to remain in powered are very different things."

It doesn't matter who you vote for. We all know you're Morally Superior to every single one of us on here.

Or are you?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias...

Really? If labour are adopting a Tory tactic (the tweet) surely this will appeal to a Tory voter, otherwise why would the tories do the same?

Why are you saying adopting a tory tactic? This type of thing has been around for years and labour are not newcomers to the game but have yet to master it.

If that's the case then there is nothing new to discuss.

Are the accusations in any way true, do we know?"

The accusations if his failings at the cps.

Thebd data is publicly available as to how he voted on sentencing lengths for criminals found of sexual offences

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias...

Really? If labour are adopting a Tory tactic (the tweet) surely this will appeal to a Tory voter, otherwise why would the tories do the same?

Why are you saying adopting a tory tactic? This type of thing has been around for years and labour are not newcomers to the game but have yet to master it.

If that's the case then there is nothing new to discuss.

Are the accusations in any way true, do we know?

The accusations if his failings at the cps.

Thebd data is publicly available as to how he voted on sentencing lengths for criminals found of sexual offences"

He was knighted by the tories for his work at the CPS

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias...

Really? If labour are adopting a Tory tactic (the tweet) surely this will appeal to a Tory voter, otherwise why would the tories do the same?

Why are you saying adopting a tory tactic? This type of thing has been around for years and labour are not newcomers to the game but have yet to master it.

The tories have mastered it and they keep winning elections, don’t get me wrong, I think it was a stupid thing to do, but it works for the tories

Which is why this whole campaign is an absolute own goal. Starmer doubling down, releasing another ad and saying he stands by every word has thrown a spotlight on labours naivety.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"It would be better to try and raise standards in politics.

It seems that this is just the first of a series of Labour attacks.

Again, this is what the Tories have done election after election.

It's sad that the Labour party should pursue the same path, but it has been successful.

It absolutely had not been the success of Conservative party policies and results that have kept them in power.

It may have been successful for the Tories but Labour and Labour supporters like to be known as Morally Superior to the Tories.

This has and will continue to backfire spectacularly.

Tories also believe that they are superior. That's tribalism.

Are Labour supporters not going to vote Labour because of these adds? Probably it will not change their intention.

Will it change the swing voter's? Perhaps. They are the ones who Tory attack adds have worked on in the past, so why would the Labour party not do the same?

I've never seen a Tory think they're Morally Superior, superior yes but not morally.

Really? I certainly have.

I'm not a Labour supporter either. You can process that how you wish.

Being unhappy about something and not voting for the Labour party and allowing the Conservative party to remain in powered are very different things.

It doesn't matter who you vote for. We all know you're Morally Superior to every single one of us on here.

Or are you?

How do you think that makes you look? Clever?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias...

Really? If labour are adopting a Tory tactic (the tweet) surely this will appeal to a Tory voter, otherwise why would the tories do the same?

Why are you saying adopting a tory tactic? This type of thing has been around for years and labour are not newcomers to the game but have yet to master it.

If that's the case then there is nothing new to discuss.

Are the accusations in any way true, do we know?

The accusations if his failings at the cps.

Thebd data is publicly available as to how he voted on sentencing lengths for criminals found of sexual offences

He was knighted by the tories for his work at the CPS

Yeah. Again you seem unable to distinguish things.

In his early life he did good work.

Particularly inadmissible evidence from torture etc.

But he's accused the tories of failing sexual assault victims and being lenient. When he voted for reduced sentences.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"It would be better to try and raise standards in politics.

It seems that this is just the first of a series of Labour attacks.

Again, this is what the Tories have done election after election.

It's sad that the Labour party should pursue the same path, but it has been successful.

It absolutely had not been the success of Conservative party policies and results that have kept them in power.

It may have been successful for the Tories but Labour and Labour supporters like to be known as Morally Superior to the Tories.

This has and will continue to backfire spectacularly.

Tories also believe that they are superior. That's tribalism.

Are Labour supporters not going to vote Labour because of these adds? Probably it will not change their intention.

Will it change the swing voter's? Perhaps. They are the ones who Tory attack adds have worked on in the past, so why would the Labour party not do the same?

I've never seen a Tory think they're Morally Superior, superior yes but not morally.

Really? I certainly have.

I'm not a Labour supporter either. You can process that how you wish.

Being unhappy about something and not voting for the Labour party and allowing the Conservative party to remain in powered are very different things.

It doesn't matter who you vote for. We all know you're Morally Superior to every single one of us on here.

Or are you?

How do you think that makes you look? Clever?"

Clever? Me, never.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias...

Really? If labour are adopting a Tory tactic (the tweet) surely this will appeal to a Tory voter, otherwise why would the tories do the same?

Why are you saying adopting a tory tactic? This type of thing has been around for years and labour are not newcomers to the game but have yet to master it.

If that's the case then there is nothing new to discuss.

Are the accusations in any way true, do we know?"

The accusation that labour have got this wrong is most definitely true, in my opinion.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias...

Really? If labour are adopting a Tory tactic (the tweet) surely this will appeal to a Tory voter, otherwise why would the tories do the same?

Why are you saying adopting a tory tactic? This type of thing has been around for years and labour are not newcomers to the game but have yet to master it.

If that's the case then there is nothing new to discuss.

Are the accusations in any way true, do we know?

The accusation that labour have got this wrong is most definitely true, in my opinion.

The accusations made in the Tweet.

Are they correct?

Boris Johnson lied aggressively about many things and it did him no harm for quite some time...

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias...

Really? If labour are adopting a Tory tactic (the tweet) surely this will appeal to a Tory voter, otherwise why would the tories do the same?

Why are you saying adopting a tory tactic? This type of thing has been around for years and labour are not newcomers to the game but have yet to master it.

If that's the case then there is nothing new to discuss.

Are the accusations in any way true, do we know?

The accusation that labour have got this wrong is most definitely true, in my opinion.

The accusations made in the Tweet.

Are they correct?

Boris Johnson lied aggressively about many things and it did him no harm for quite some time..."

You are never one too shy away from an opinion, what do you think?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias...

Really? If labour are adopting a Tory tactic (the tweet) surely this will appeal to a Tory voter, otherwise why would the tories do the same?

Why are you saying adopting a tory tactic? This type of thing has been around for years and labour are not newcomers to the game but have yet to master it.

If that's the case then there is nothing new to discuss.

Are the accusations in any way true, do we know?

The accusation that labour have got this wrong is most definitely true, in my opinion.

The accusations made in the Tweet.

Are they correct?

Boris Johnson lied aggressively about many things and it did him no harm for quite some time...

You are never one too shy away from an opinion, what do you think?

I'm asking because I'm not certain that you, or most of the other people commenting on this thread.

So, that was my real question. Have you checked to see if the Tweet is correct, or not?

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias...

Really? If labour are adopting a Tory tactic (the tweet) surely this will appeal to a Tory voter, otherwise why would the tories do the same?

Why are you saying adopting a tory tactic? This type of thing has been around for years and labour are not newcomers to the game but have yet to master it.

If that's the case then there is nothing new to discuss.

Are the accusations in any way true, do we know?

The accusation that labour have got this wrong is most definitely true, in my opinion.

The accusations made in the Tweet.

Are they correct?

Boris Johnson lied aggressively about many things and it did him no harm for quite some time...

You are never one too shy away from an opinion, what do you think?

I'm asking because I'm not certain that you, or most of the other people commenting on this thread.

So, that was my real question. Have you checked to see if the Tweet is correct, or not?"

What are you trying to achieve with this type of questioning?

Prove the numbers are correct or that Labour are right to put the blame on Sunak, in a personal attack?

You tell me your motive for the question, after you have already shown your disappointment in the direction taken by labour.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"I totally agree they have messed this up, and rolling it out at locals emphasises their uncertainty.

No clear strategy and showing their cards so early on is rather embarrassing. The polls will be narrowing for the main event, I'm sure, and the tories haven't needed to try.

Labour might lose votes because of this but they won’t be going to the Tories

It doesn't matter where the voters go if they don't vote for labour, it will be damaging.

Maybe, it might sway a few tories to vote labour though (unlikely ) . Why do you think Tory voters seem to like these types of tweets but labour voters don’t ?

Have you got this the wrong way around.

Why would tories vote for Labour on a Labour tweet that was ill informed?

They like misinformation and lies

The misinformation and lies in this thread are very much from those with a very left leaning bias...

Really? If labour are adopting a Tory tactic (the tweet) surely this will appeal to a Tory voter, otherwise why would the tories do the same?

Why are you saying adopting a tory tactic? This type of thing has been around for years and labour are not newcomers to the game but have yet to master it.

If that's the case then there is nothing new to discuss.

Are the accusations in any way true, do we know?

The accusation that labour have got this wrong is most definitely true, in my opinion.

The accusations made in the Tweet.

Are they correct?

Boris Johnson lied aggressively about many things and it did him no harm for quite some time...

You are never one too shy away from an opinion, what do you think?

I'm asking because I'm not certain that you, or most of the other people commenting on this thread.

So, that was my real question. Have you checked to see if the Tweet is correct, or not?

What are you trying to achieve with this type of questioning?

Prove the numbers are correct or that Labour are right to put the blame on Sunak, in a personal attack?

You tell me your motive for the question, after you have already shown your disappointment in the direction taken by labour."

My motive for the question is that nobody seems to be asking if Rishi Sunak, or his Party over many years, could have done anything to send all such offenders to prison.

Could they have and should they have if they are he party of law and order?

What's your answer to the question in the Tweet?

What has Sunak, or his party, done about the situation?