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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route." Yup. They are told how many border officials will be needed each year. Each year they under man them. We built an extra u booths for them. So they could have around 10 on. Each year they send 3 or 4. Was the same inside the e.u too. | |||
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"Hahahahahah, No way bad weather what next hahah. Sorry but those comments made me laugh. Simon Culder travel editor for BBC, states that due to the restriction of free movement of people which was part of Brexit, passports are now required to examination every passport. which of course leads to long delays. He also explains that biometric and face recognition will be needed in the coming year to enter the EU. One gets what one asks for and it goes both ways. " Funny enough the ceo of Dover port disagrees | |||
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"Hahahahahah, No way bad weather what next hahah. Sorry but those comments made me laugh. Simon Culder travel editor for BBC, states that due to the restriction of free movement of people which was part of Brexit, passports are now required to examination every passport. which of course leads to long delays. He also explains that biometric and face recognition will be needed in the coming year to enter the EU. One gets what one asks for and it goes both ways. Funny enough the ceo of Dover port disagrees " What was his disagreement as I cannot find it. Here is Simon Culders quote, Simon Calder, travel correspondent at the Independent, said processing times since leaving the EU had increased sharply "and that would seem to explain the delays". An EU border at Dover meant things were "gumming up", as each individual passport had to be inspected and stamped after Brexit, he told the BBC. Delays have been compounded by coachloads of passengers needing to disembark to have their passports checked. I do now take on board that ferries have also stated bad weather on Saturday. So sorry for smirking. | |||
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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route." Its brexit thats the problem not the French. Was easy before with free movement and could stay as long as you wanted in the EU not having to think how long have I stayed. Never vote tory again what they have brought on with Brexit. | |||
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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route. Its brexit thats the problem not the French. Was easy before with free movement and could stay as long as you wanted in the EU not having to think how long have I stayed. Never vote tory again what they have brought on with Brexit. " The historic delays at Dover suggest otherwise. This happened while we were in the e.u too. We built an extra 7 booths on top of the 4 already there,for your pgovernment to use to ease the flow France sent 3 people to man them last year. And 4 this year. | |||
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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route. Yup. They are told how many border officials will be needed each year. Each year they under man them. We built an extra u booths for them. So they could have around 10 on. Each year they send 3 or 4. Was the same inside the e.u too. " Are you sure that the programme went ahead? My understanding that in 2020, the Government (our Government) refused a £33 million project to double the number of passport booths from five, to ten. This is going to get worse as the EU roll out biometric booths which will require eye scans and fingerprints for every traveller. Not Brexit obviously… French can be blamed for following pesky EU laws. They should leave like we did. | |||
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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route. Yup. They are told how many border officials will be needed each year. Each year they under man them. We built an extra u booths for them. So they could have around 10 on. Each year they send 3 or 4. Was the same inside the e.u too. Are you sure that the programme went ahead? My understanding that in 2020, the Government (our Government) refused a £33 million project to double the number of passport booths from five, to ten. This is going to get worse as the EU roll out biometric booths which will require eye scans and fingerprints for every traveller. Not Brexit obviously… French can be blamed for following pesky EU laws. They should leave like we did." 100% the government refused to foot the bill the port of Dover did it You seem to think the ceo of the port of Dover is lying? | |||
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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route. Yup. They are told how many border officials will be needed each year. Each year they under man them. We built an extra u booths for them. So they could have around 10 on. Each year they send 3 or 4. Was the same inside the e.u too. Are you sure that the programme went ahead? My understanding that in 2020, the Government (our Government) refused a £33 million project to double the number of passport booths from five, to ten. This is going to get worse as the EU roll out biometric booths which will require eye scans and fingerprints for every traveller. Not Brexit obviously… French can be blamed for following pesky EU laws. They should leave like we did." All I know is free movement goes both ways, so if one votes for non free movement, then one must expect ones free movement to be curtailed. I for one didn't vote to restrict my free movement, as I would expect mine to be curtailed which it has and I didn't vote for it. Now I have to have biometric I.D to travel in the near future, thank god im near the end of my life as people are voting my rights away blindly I may add. | |||
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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route. Yup. They are told how many border officials will be needed each year. Each year they under man them. We built an extra u booths for them. So they could have around 10 on. Each year they send 3 or 4. Was the same inside the e.u too. Are you sure that the programme went ahead? My understanding that in 2020, the Government (our Government) refused a £33 million project to double the number of passport booths from five, to ten. This is going to get worse as the EU roll out biometric booths which will require eye scans and fingerprints for every traveller. Not Brexit obviously… French can be blamed for following pesky EU laws. They should leave like we did. 100% the government refused to foot the bill the port of Dover did it You seem to think the ceo of the port of Dover is lying?" Not at all… “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” | |||
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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route. Yup. They are told how many border officials will be needed each year. Each year they under man them. We built an extra u booths for them. So they could have around 10 on. Each year they send 3 or 4. Was the same inside the e.u too. Are you sure that the programme went ahead? My understanding that in 2020, the Government (our Government) refused a £33 million project to double the number of passport booths from five, to ten. This is going to get worse as the EU roll out biometric booths which will require eye scans and fingerprints for every traveller. Not Brexit obviously… French can be blamed for following pesky EU laws. They should leave like we did. All I know is free movement goes both ways, so if one votes for non free movement, then one must expect ones free movement to be curtailed. I for one didn't vote to restrict my free movement, as I would expect mine to be curtailed which it has and I didn't vote for it. Now I have to have biometric I.D to travel in the near future, thank god im near the end of my life as people are voting my rights away blindly I may add." You’re supposedly 52, 3 years older than me. I consider myself to be in the prime of my life, and whilst I can’t go to one European country for more than 90 days…I’d never thought about it doing anyway. As for biometric ID - all passports made since 2010 fit this criteria. Now your empty glass is at least half full, amazing what happens when you lose your negative thoughts  | |||
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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route. Yup. They are told how many border officials will be needed each year. Each year they under man them. We built an extra u booths for them. So they could have around 10 on. Each year they send 3 or 4. Was the same inside the e.u too. Are you sure that the programme went ahead? My understanding that in 2020, the Government (our Government) refused a £33 million project to double the number of passport booths from five, to ten. This is going to get worse as the EU roll out biometric booths which will require eye scans and fingerprints for every traveller. Not Brexit obviously… French can be blamed for following pesky EU laws. They should leave like we did. All I know is free movement goes both ways, so if one votes for non free movement, then one must expect ones free movement to be curtailed. I for one didn't vote to restrict my free movement, as I would expect mine to be curtailed which it has and I didn't vote for it. Now I have to have biometric I.D to travel in the near future, thank god im near the end of my life as people are voting my rights away blindly I may add. You’re supposedly 52, 3 years older than me. I consider myself to be in the prime of my life, and whilst I can’t go to one European country for more than 90 days…I’d never thought about it doing anyway. As for biometric ID - all passports made since 2010 fit this criteria. Now your empty glass is at least half full, amazing what happens when you lose your negative thoughts "He is talking about the biometric requirements that will be required to enter the EU later this year. Every passenger will need to have an eye scan and be fingerprinted prior to entry. The EU ETIAS system is modelled on the US ESTA system and will consequently take more time to process a single person. Scale that up to a few Boeing 737’s arriving at the same time or few coach loads of school kids going to France and/or Germany on an exchange and the potential for truly massive delays is obvious. Of course we will do nothing to prepare, UK travellers will be hugely disadvantaged and we can all start blaming the EU for punishing us because of Brexit. | |||
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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route. Yup. They are told how many border officials will be needed each year. Each year they under man them. We built an extra u booths for them. So they could have around 10 on. Each year they send 3 or 4. Was the same inside the e.u too. Are you sure that the programme went ahead? My understanding that in 2020, the Government (our Government) refused a £33 million project to double the number of passport booths from five, to ten. This is going to get worse as the EU roll out biometric booths which will require eye scans and fingerprints for every traveller. Not Brexit obviously… French can be blamed for following pesky EU laws. They should leave like we did. 100% the government refused to foot the bill the port of Dover did it You seem to think the ceo of the port of Dover is lying?" You seem to think Simon Calder is lying | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all." the slower processing is the one ppl will jump on. That may be traffic mix, or the need for more checks, or both. And others will say it's because the French were not manning the booths (true or not). The greater than anticipated traffic feels like the Ports fuck up.. which they may have got away with it it hadn't been for the weather. A perfect (excuse the pun) storm. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all.the slower processing is the one ppl will jump on. That may be traffic mix, or the need for more checks, or both. And others will say it's because the French were not manning the booths (true or not). The greater than anticipated traffic feels like the Ports fuck up.. which they may have got away with it it hadn't been for the weather. A perfect (excuse the pun) storm. " The port should've anticipated more. The French should've sent more staff. God should've made it nicer weather. The UK should have got a better deal. There's literally lots of different answers and not one person on here knows what the correct one is. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all." It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays." Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. " But our own Government refused to build the necessary infrastructure to enable that. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. " “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. But our own Government refused to build the necessary infrastructure to enable that. " Doug Bannister, Chief Executive, Port of Dover said: "Since the UK left the EU, we are subject to full passport checks. Before, all of our freight traffic would go through in about zero seconds and now it's 60 seconds to maybe up to 90 seconds per truck. All of that adds up. "What we have done, as the Port of Dover, is install new infrastructure and put in new operational processes to make certain that the traffic can flow through as best as it can with the new control regimes that are in place. "Now, we are reliant on other players to do their part to staff the booths. Whilst the govt may have refused funding, the booths were built. Rendering your argument nonsense. | |||
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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route. Yup. They are told how many border officials will be needed each year. Each year they under man them. We built an extra u booths for them. So they could have around 10 on. Each year they send 3 or 4. Was the same inside the e.u too. Are you sure that the programme went ahead? My understanding that in 2020, the Government (our Government) refused a £33 million project to double the number of passport booths from five, to ten. This is going to get worse as the EU roll out biometric booths which will require eye scans and fingerprints for every traveller. Not Brexit obviously… French can be blamed for following pesky EU laws. They should leave like we did. 100% the government refused to foot the bill the port of Dover did it You seem to think the ceo of the port of Dover is lying? Not at all… “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " If you search "port of dover new kiosks traveller" first article should be itv should give ylu the info you need. | |||
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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route. Yup. They are told how many border officials will be needed each year. Each year they under man them. We built an extra u booths for them. So they could have around 10 on. Each year they send 3 or 4. Was the same inside the e.u too. Are you sure that the programme went ahead? My understanding that in 2020, the Government (our Government) refused a £33 million project to double the number of passport booths from five, to ten. This is going to get worse as the EU roll out biometric booths which will require eye scans and fingerprints for every traveller. Not Brexit obviously… French can be blamed for following pesky EU laws. They should leave like we did. 100% the government refused to foot the bill the port of Dover did it You seem to think the ceo of the port of Dover is lying? You seem to think Simon Calder is lying " He is. He's a proven liar. The ceo of Dover called him out on it. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all.the slower processing is the one ppl will jump on. That may be traffic mix, or the need for more checks, or both. And others will say it's because the French were not manning the booths (true or not). The greater than anticipated traffic feels like the Ports fuck up.. which they may have got away with it it hadn't been for the weather. A perfect (excuse the pun) storm. The port should've anticipated more. The French should've sent more staff. God should've made it nicer weather. The UK should have got a better deal. There's literally lots of different answers and not one person on here knows what the correct one is." The problem with juxtaposed controls. No real need for them once Rwanda plan is done. It was implemented as part of dublin arrangement. So hopefully get Rwanda done. Bine off the arrangement. Get them kn tbe ferries. Then they're Frances problem when they arrive. I imagine then the French will man the booths properly.y | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.”" " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. But our own Government refused to build the necessary infrastructure to enable that. Doug Bannister, Chief Executive, Port of Dover said: "Since the UK left the EU, we are subject to full passport checks. Before, all of our freight traffic would go through in about zero seconds and now it's 60 seconds to maybe up to 90 seconds per truck. All of that adds up. "What we have done, as the Port of Dover, is install new infrastructure and put in new operational processes to make certain that the traffic can flow through as best as it can with the new control regimes that are in place. "Now, we are reliant on other players to do their part to staff the booths. Whilst the govt may have refused funding, the booths were built. Rendering your argument nonsense. " Should have read your replies first. You did my job for me  | |||
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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route. Yup. They are told how many border officials will be needed each year. Each year they under man them. We built an extra u booths for them. So they could have around 10 on. Each year they send 3 or 4. Was the same inside the e.u too. Are you sure that the programme went ahead? My understanding that in 2020, the Government (our Government) refused a £33 million project to double the number of passport booths from five, to ten. This is going to get worse as the EU roll out biometric booths which will require eye scans and fingerprints for every traveller. Not Brexit obviously… French can be blamed for following pesky EU laws. They should leave like we did. 100% the government refused to foot the bill the port of Dover did it You seem to think the ceo of the port of Dover is lying? You seem to think Simon Calder is lying He is. He's a proven liar. The ceo of Dover called him out on it." The CEO of Dover is a proven liar, Simon Calder called him out on it | |||
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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route. Yup. They are told how many border officials will be needed each year. Each year they under man them. We built an extra u booths for them. So they could have around 10 on. Each year they send 3 or 4. Was the same inside the e.u too. Are you sure that the programme went ahead? My understanding that in 2020, the Government (our Government) refused a £33 million project to double the number of passport booths from five, to ten. This is going to get worse as the EU roll out biometric booths which will require eye scans and fingerprints for every traveller. Not Brexit obviously… French can be blamed for following pesky EU laws. They should leave like we did. 100% the government refused to foot the bill the port of Dover did it You seem to think the ceo of the port of Dover is lying? You seem to think Simon Calder is lying He is. He's a proven liar. The ceo of Dover called him out on it. The CEO of Dover is a proven liar, Simon Calder called him out on it "Oh you're doing this again where you just say the opposite without proof. If any one wishes to see the proof I can DM them the linked to a video of Calder blaming brexit in one interview then denying saying it after the ceo corrected him in another video the next day. Its a funny watch | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals." And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. " 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped." A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. " Sounds sensible. Unfortunately we no longer influence their rules and to them, we are just the third country that our politicians said that we wanted to be. No favours, no special treatment, no reciprocal agreements and no freedom of movement. We travel into the EU at the whim of the EU. They make their rules, and we follow them - or we don’t travel there. | |||
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"It looks like a combination of bad weather and French customs delays. Other countries have got their act together, so presumably this is French bloody mindedness. The best solution is not to visit France - at least not by that route. Its brexit thats the problem not the French. Was easy before with free movement and could stay as long as you wanted in the EU not having to think how long have I stayed. Never vote tory again what they have brought on with Brexit. " Nah Brexit is a lame excuse for piss poor border controls. As an ex-pat I've crossed countless borders around the world. Even crossed borders of hostile states. Most I've ever waited is an hour under any circumstances. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. " Yeah.thats not the link i suggested. Bit well done on not watching the video hand having a HUGE amount of irony in your post Now let's have a look at the video Ph straight off the bat. They talk about the staffing issues. Short term. They go on to talk about long term. And he says that brexit had an affect and that's why they created the summer plan that needed appropriate application, but some parties didn't follow the plan. Maybe watch the interview first? Before taking snippets from LBC? | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. " Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Sounds sensible. Unfortunately we no longer influence their rules and to them, we are just the third country that our politicians said that we wanted to be. No favours, no special treatment, no reciprocal agreements and no freedom of movement. We travel into the EU at the whim of the EU. They make their rules, and we follow them - or we don’t travel there." We pay them to do this. So it's a barter agreement they breach | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. Yeah.thats not the link i suggested. Bit well done on not watching the video hand having a HUGE amount of irony in your post Now let's have a look at the video Ph straight off the bat. They talk about the staffing issues. Short term. They go on to talk about long term. And he says that brexit had an affect and that's why they created the summer plan that needed appropriate application, but some parties didn't follow the plan. Maybe watch the interview first? Before taking snippets from LBC?" OK - so let’s take your scenario at face value which is that interim infrastructure (not the permanent infrastructure that is actually needed) was installed by the Port of Dover and that the CEO of Dover didn’t say that Brexit was impacting delays. Your argument is that the delays are the fault of the French because they did not provide enough staff - us that right?? Assuming that is correct, what part of taking back control enables us to make demands on the EU to send staff to the U.K. when we say they they should? As I mentioned in another post - we don’t have control or influence anymore. Notwithstanding that, I arrived in Liverpool airport a few days ago on a flight from Spain that coincidentally arrived with four other flights. Of the six passport booths, only two were manned. If we can’t man our own border post booths appropriately, how are we supposed to demand that the French man theirs? CAVEAT. I do not agree with your assertions. The issues at Dover and with our trade and with our faltering economy are all inevitably linked to the fact that we decided that being part of the EU wasn’t good enough for us. Everything leads back to that idiocy whether directly, indirectly - or in most cases - a bit of both. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. Yeah.thats not the link i suggested. Bit well done on not watching the video hand having a HUGE amount of irony in your post Now let's have a look at the video Ph straight off the bat. They talk about the staffing issues. Short term. They go on to talk about long term. And he says that brexit had an affect and that's why they created the summer plan that needed appropriate application, but some parties didn't follow the plan. Maybe watch the interview first? Before taking snippets from LBC? OK - so let’s take your scenario at face value which is that interim infrastructure (not the permanent infrastructure that is actually needed) was installed by the Port of Dover and that the CEO of Dover didn’t say that Brexit was impacting delays. Your argument is that the delays are the fault of the French because they did not provide enough staff - us that right?? Assuming that is correct, what part of taking back control enables us to make demands on the EU to send staff to the U.K. when we say they they should? As I mentioned in another post - we don’t have control or influence anymore. Notwithstanding that, I arrived in Liverpool airport a few days ago on a flight from Spain that coincidentally arrived with four other flights. Of the six passport booths, only two were manned. If we can’t man our own border post booths appropriately, how are we supposed to demand that the French man theirs? CAVEAT. I do not agree with your assertions. The issues at Dover and with our trade and with our faltering economy are all inevitably linked to the fact that we decided that being part of the EU wasn’t good enough for us. Everything leads back to that idiocy whether directly, indirectly - or in most cases - a bit of both." We arent making demands to the e.u We pay the French to man these booths and for the juxtaposed controls. End/ | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. Yeah.thats not the link i suggested. Bit well done on not watching the video hand having a HUGE amount of irony in your post Now let's have a look at the video Ph straight off the bat. They talk about the staffing issues. Short term. They go on to talk about long term. And he says that brexit had an affect and that's why they created the summer plan that needed appropriate application, but some parties didn't follow the plan. Maybe watch the interview first? Before taking snippets from LBC? OK - so let’s take your scenario at face value which is that interim infrastructure (not the permanent infrastructure that is actually needed) was installed by the Port of Dover and that the CEO of Dover didn’t say that Brexit was impacting delays. Your argument is that the delays are the fault of the French because they did not provide enough staff - us that right?? Assuming that is correct, what part of taking back control enables us to make demands on the EU to send staff to the U.K. when we say they they should? As I mentioned in another post - we don’t have control or influence anymore. Notwithstanding that, I arrived in Liverpool airport a few days ago on a flight from Spain that coincidentally arrived with four other flights. Of the six passport booths, only two were manned. If we can’t man our own border post booths appropriately, how are we supposed to demand that the French man theirs? CAVEAT. I do not agree with your assertions. The issues at Dover and with our trade and with our faltering economy are all inevitably linked to the fact that we decided that being part of the EU wasn’t good enough for us. Everything leads back to that idiocy whether directly, indirectly - or in most cases - a bit of both. We arent making demands to the e.u We pay the French to man these booths and for the juxtaposed controls. End/ " where has it been reported that the French aren't manning the booths thia time ? (I've only seen a article that says they were manned) | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks " As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm." The Rwanda plan won’t solve anything, it is just an expensive idea to excite a few racist voters, | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. The Rwanda plan won’t solve anything, it is just an expensive idea to excite a few racist voters, "I agree got to do something to distract from our countries real issues. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm." Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. The Rwanda plan won’t solve anything, it is just an expensive idea to excite a few racist voters, "I think it will. Because there would be no reason to make a boat crossing if you have no ID. Straight to Rwanda you go | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. The Rwanda plan won’t solve anything, it is just an expensive idea to excite a few racist voters,
I think it will. Because there would be no reason to make a boat crossing if you have no ID. Straight to Rwanda you go"Can you remind me , how many have they sent to Rwanda? | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists." Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. The Rwanda plan won’t solve anything, it is just an expensive idea to excite a few racist voters,
I think it will. Because there would be no reason to make a boat crossing if you have no ID. Straight to Rwanda you go
Can you remind me , how many have they sent to Rwanda? "None yet...upon realising that echr intervened and stopped the flight. There was a dramatic increase in small boat arrivals. The High court said Rwanda was legal. And so now we can begin deportation there once we remove frivolous echr interventions. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right." There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou" Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. The Rwanda plan won’t solve anything, it is just an expensive idea to excite a few racist voters,
I think it will. Because there would be no reason to make a boat crossing if you have no ID. Straight to Rwanda you go
Can you remind me , how many have they sent to Rwanda?
None yet...upon realising that echr intervened and stopped the flight. There was a dramatic increase in small boat arrivals.
The High court said Rwanda was legal. And so now we can begin deportation there once we remove frivolous echr interventions."Correct, zero , pointless and very expensive scheme | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding."  | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding. "The proof of the pudding is in the eating | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. The Rwanda plan won’t solve anything, it is just an expensive idea to excite a few racist voters,
I think it will. Because there would be no reason to make a boat crossing if you have no ID. Straight to Rwanda you go
Can you remind me , how many have they sent to Rwanda?
None yet...upon realising that echr intervened and stopped the flight. There was a dramatic increase in small boat arrivals.
The High court said Rwanda was legal. And so now we can begin deportation there once we remove frivolous echr interventions.
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding. "Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. The Rwanda plan won’t solve anything, it is just an expensive idea to excite a few racist voters,
I think it will. Because there would be no reason to make a boat crossing if you have no ID. Straight to Rwanda you go
Can you remind me , how many have they sent to Rwanda?
None yet...upon realising that echr intervened and stopped the flight. There was a dramatic increase in small boat arrivals.
The High court said Rwanda was legal. And so now we can begin deportation there once we remove frivolous echr interventions.
Correct, zero , pointless and very expensive scheme
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though."She is head of the home office, ho man. Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign. as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails."Braverman didn't know. The uk government did Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel. Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly) | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. The Rwanda plan won’t solve anything, it is just an expensive idea to excite a few racist voters,
I think it will. Because there would be no reason to make a boat crossing if you have no ID. Straight to Rwanda you go
Can you remind me , how many have they sent to Rwanda?
None yet...upon realising that echr intervened and stopped the flight. There was a dramatic increase in small boat arrivals.
The High court said Rwanda was legal. And so now we can begin deportation there once we remove frivolous echr interventions.
Correct, zero , pointless and very expensive scheme
Someone is making a profit as usual.
Definitely, £120 million spent so far "The uk hasn't spent 120m so far. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. The Rwanda plan won’t solve anything, it is just an expensive idea to excite a few racist voters,
I think it will. Because there would be no reason to make a boat crossing if you have no ID. Straight to Rwanda you go
Can you remind me , how many have they sent to Rwanda?
None yet...upon realising that echr intervened and stopped the flight. There was a dramatic increase in small boat arrivals.
The High court said Rwanda was legal. And so now we can begin deportation there once we remove frivolous echr interventions.
Correct, zero , pointless and very expensive scheme
Someone is making a profit as usual.
Definitely, £120 million spent so far
The uk hasn't spent 120m so far."Correct. As of the 23 Feb 2023, the U.K. had paid £140 million to the Rwanda Govt plus an as yet undisclosed amount in legal costs. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)"Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda. That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder. As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law. Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead. It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree. But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. The Rwanda plan won’t solve anything, it is just an expensive idea to excite a few racist voters,
I think it will. Because there would be no reason to make a boat crossing if you have no ID. Straight to Rwanda you go
Can you remind me , how many have they sent to Rwanda?
None yet...upon realising that echr intervened and stopped the flight. There was a dramatic increase in small boat arrivals.
The High court said Rwanda was legal. And so now we can begin deportation there once we remove frivolous echr interventions.
Correct, zero , pointless and very expensive scheme
Someone is making a profit as usual.
Definitely, £120 million spent so far
The uk hasn't spent 120m so far.
Correct.
As of the 23 Feb 2023, the U.K. had paid £140 million to the Rwanda Govt plus an as yet undisclosed amount in legal costs."Thats why you scare me you say things where you are corrected at every turn, this cash is yours and mine our taxes being spent god knows how 140 million why how will that amount of cash be used in a country which abuses human rights. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)
Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda.
That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder.
As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law.
Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead.
It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree.
But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading."I'm confused with the UNHRC involvement, they seem deeply entrenched in Rwanda | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)
Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda.
That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder.
As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law.
Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead.
It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree.
But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading.
I'm confused with the UNHRC involvement, they seem deeply entrenched in Rwanda "Look at this countries history on human rights not good. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)
Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda.
That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder.
As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law.
Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead.
It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree.
But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading.
I'm confused with the UNHRC involvement, they seem deeply entrenched in Rwanda
Look at this countries history on human rights not good."Yet the UN are using them as a staging country for refugees. It a whole lot of mix messages, I'm unsure what to think.. | |||
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"So why don't th French check passengers in France? Like they da at airports. The carrier checks you passport and visa and then you get your entry stap in that country." About 20 years ago, the U.K. and France set up a reciprocal agreement so that people departing either country could clear the border at their port of departure so that they could simply drive away from the port of arrival without congesting the port. It has worked fantastically well.,.. until Brexit came along. | |||
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"So why don't th French check passengers in France? Like they da at airports. The carrier checks you passport and visa and then you get your entry stap in that country. About 20 years ago, the U.K. and France set up a reciprocal agreement so that people departing either country could clear the border at their port of departure so that they could simply drive away from the port of arrival without congesting the port. It has worked fantastically well.,.. until Brexit came along." It works fantastically well most of the time. I cant be 100% sure but we seem to see this chaos at least once a year, every year | |||
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"So why don't th French check passengers in France? Like they da at airports. The carrier checks you passport and visa and then you get your entry stap in that country. About 20 years ago, the U.K. and France set up a reciprocal agreement so that people departing either country could clear the border at their port of departure so that they could simply drive away from the port of arrival without congesting the port. It has worked fantastically well.,.. until Brexit came along." plus I guess that an advantage of the current approach is when the queues back up they back up onto roads... | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. The Rwanda plan won’t solve anything, it is just an expensive idea to excite a few racist voters,
I think it will. Because there would be no reason to make a boat crossing if you have no ID. Straight to Rwanda you go
Can you remind me , how many have they sent to Rwanda?
None yet...upon realising that echr intervened and stopped the flight. There was a dramatic increase in small boat arrivals.
The High court said Rwanda was legal. And so now we can begin deportation there once we remove frivolous echr interventions.
Correct, zero , pointless and very expensive scheme
Someone is making a profit as usual.
Definitely, £120 million spent so far
The uk hasn't spent 120m so far.
Correct.
As of the 23 Feb 2023, the U.K. had paid £140 million to the Rwanda Govt plus an as yet undisclosed amount in legal costs."There we go. People are learning | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)
Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda.
That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder.
As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law.
Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead.
It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree.
But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading.
I'm confused with the UNHRC involvement, they seem deeply entrenched in Rwanda
Look at this countries history on human rights not good."Curious. What's a long enough period for human rights situations to no longer be a factor in deportation? | |||
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"So why don't th French check passengers in France? Like they da at airports. The carrier checks you passport and visa and then you get your entry stap in that country. About 20 years ago, the U.K. and France set up a reciprocal agreement so that people departing either country could clear the border at their port of departure so that they could simply drive away from the port of arrival without congesting the port. It has worked fantastically well.,.. until Brexit came along." Operation stack and tap usage numbers suggest otherwise. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)
Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda.
That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder.
As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law.
Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead.
It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree.
But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading.
I'm confused with the UNHRC involvement, they seem deeply entrenched in Rwanda
Look at this countries history on human rights not good.
Curious. What's a long enough period for human rights situations to no longer be a factor in deportation?"Their human rights are also your human rights vote to have these rights reversed you're only doing it to yourself, your loved ones and siblings and there futures. if you tolerate this then your children will be next. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)
Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda.
That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder.
As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law.
Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead.
It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree.
But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading.
I'm confused with the UNHRC involvement, they seem deeply entrenched in Rwanda
Look at this countries history on human rights not good.
Curious. What's a long enough period for human rights situations to no longer be a factor in deportation?
Their human rights are also your human rights vote to have these rights reversed you're only doing it to yourself, your loved ones and siblings and there futures. if you tolerate this then your children will be next."Please answer the question. How long is a good enough time tk wait before forgetting human rights abuses? | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)
Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda.
That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder.
As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law.
Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead.
It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree.
But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading.
I'm confused with the UNHRC involvement, they seem deeply entrenched in Rwanda
Look at this countries history on human rights not good.
Curious. What's a long enough period for human rights situations to no longer be a factor in deportation?
Their human rights are also your human rights vote to have these rights reversed you're only doing it to yourself, your loved ones and siblings and there futures. if you tolerate this then your children will be next.
Please answer the question. How long is a good enough time tk wait before forgetting human rights abuses?"clearly this is a complex question and the answer is "it depends". If the issue was from stepping on the human rights of, let's say, journalists accused of part of phone tapping, I'd be okay with a shorter period than human rights abuses of asylum seekers that results on death, especially when looking at where are are sending asylum seekers. Five years isn't long to make big changes. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)
Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda.
That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder.
As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law.
Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead.
It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree.
But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading.
I'm confused with the UNHRC involvement, they seem deeply entrenched in Rwanda
Look at this countries history on human rights not good.
Curious. What's a long enough period for human rights situations to no longer be a factor in deportation?
Their human rights are also your human rights vote to have these rights reversed you're only doing it to yourself, your loved ones and siblings and there futures. if you tolerate this then your children will be next.
Please answer the question. How long is a good enough time tk wait before forgetting human rights abuses?clearly this is a complex question and the answer is "it depends". If the issue was from stepping on the human rights of, let's say, journalists accused of part of phone tapping, I'd be okay with a shorter period than human rights abuses of asylum seekers that results on death, especially when looking at where are are sending asylum seekers.
Five years isn't long to make big changes. "FYI there's been no investigation here. Essentially what you have is police officers saying they were attacked with force and they used force back. I assume the human rights abuse is the assault against the tutsi. So again I find myself asking. How long? | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)
Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda.
That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder.
As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law.
Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead.
It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree.
But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading.
I'm confused with the UNHRC involvement, they seem deeply entrenched in Rwanda
Look at this countries history on human rights not good.
Curious. What's a long enough period for human rights situations to no longer be a factor in deportation?
Their human rights are also your human rights vote to have these rights reversed you're only doing it to yourself, your loved ones and siblings and there futures. if you tolerate this then your children will be next.
Please answer the question. How long is a good enough time tk wait before forgetting human rights abuses?clearly this is a complex question and the answer is "it depends". If the issue was from stepping on the human rights of, let's say, journalists accused of part of phone tapping, I'd be okay with a shorter period than human rights abuses of asylum seekers that results on death, especially when looking at where are are sending asylum seekers.
Five years isn't long to make big changes.
FYI there's been no investigation here. Essentially what you have is police officers saying they were attacked with force and they used force back. I assume the human rights abuse is the assault against the tutsi.
So again I find myself asking. How long?"tbf, my answer was more a case of illustrating that it depends. The nature of the abuse would change my answers. However I will concede that while there was investigation into the incident, they found no evidence of HR abuse. That said, in finding this report, it looks like we are signing up with a very interesting government... Rwanda's political HR are shockingly low and towards the every bottom of sub suharan Africa. Which reinforces my unease. So, when it comes to forgetting political HR issues, I'd say at least as long as it takes for a new government to be in place. | |||
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"Before anyone says anything really cunty about Brexit. The delays are because of bad weather and it’s the same all over Europe. In fact it’s worse in Europe. Thank good we left the satan worshipping cult known as the EU - they have it much worse." No delays newhaven to dieppe. Dover is not the only option. | |||
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"So why don't th French check passengers in France? Like they da at airports. The carrier checks you passport and visa and then you get your entry stap in that country. About 20 years ago, the U.K. and France set up a reciprocal agreement so that people departing either country could clear the border at their port of departure so that they could simply drive away from the port of arrival without congesting the port. It has worked fantastically well.,.. until Brexit came along." So is it now time to kick it out and let the French do there checks in France. | |||
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"So why don't th French check passengers in France? Like they da at airports. The carrier checks you passport and visa and then you get your entry stap in that country. About 20 years ago, the U.K. and France set up a reciprocal agreement so that people departing either country could clear the border at their port of departure so that they could simply drive away from the port of arrival without congesting the port. It has worked fantastically well.,.. until Brexit came along. So is it now time to kick it out and let the French do there checks in France." Why? You realise that would mean the U.K. doing its checks in the port of Dover as people (and goods) arrive from France. Have you transited Dover? Do you know just how small the Port is? The reason that this deal was agreed is because it was mutually beneficial. We could of course get on the Brexit self-harm bus and try to imagine that the French would be more pained than we would be and that could be seen as a win… but really? We need to be trying to mitigate Brexit fails, not celebrate shooting our feet off because we think it might be a win that the French got some blood splatter on their clothes. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)
Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda.
That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder.
As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law.
Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead.
It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree.
But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading.
I'm confused with the UNHRC involvement, they seem deeply entrenched in Rwanda
Look at this countries history on human rights not good.
Curious. What's a long enough period for human rights situations to no longer be a factor in deportation?
Their human rights are also your human rights vote to have these rights reversed you're only doing it to yourself, your loved ones and siblings and there futures. if you tolerate this then your children will be next.
Please answer the question. How long is a good enough time tk wait before forgetting human rights abuses?"Never. There is never a time to forget about murder. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)
Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda.
That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder.
As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law.
Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead.
It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree.
But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading.
I'm confused with the UNHRC involvement, they seem deeply entrenched in Rwanda
Look at this countries history on human rights not good.
Curious. What's a long enough period for human rights situations to no longer be a factor in deportation?
Their human rights are also your human rights vote to have these rights reversed you're only doing it to yourself, your loved ones and siblings and there futures. if you tolerate this then your children will be next.
Please answer the question. How long is a good enough time tk wait before forgetting human rights abuses?
Never.
There is never a time to forget about murder."OK cool. So how do you feel about Germany then? They have a pretty bad track record. surely not safe country for a refugee camp? | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)
Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda.
That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder.
As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law.
Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead.
It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree.
But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading.
I'm confused with the UNHRC involvement, they seem deeply entrenched in Rwanda
Look at this countries history on human rights not good.
Curious. What's a long enough period for human rights situations to no longer be a factor in deportation?
Their human rights are also your human rights vote to have these rights reversed you're only doing it to yourself, your loved ones and siblings and there futures. if you tolerate this then your children will be next.
Please answer the question. How long is a good enough time tk wait before forgetting human rights abuses?
Never.
There is never a time to forget about murder.
OK cool. So how do you feel about Germany then? They have a pretty bad track record. surely not safe country for a refugee camp?
"I cannot comment on what I do not know about, something you should take to heart as you have been corrected all day on everything you have said. You me and every one has the power to change things for the better the better for us all. We just need to put differences aside mobilise against the people who have hoodwinked us into thinking that we have no power. Stop division. Look at the French they take no crap from their government and have brought change through direct action. The USA have it in their bill of rights to bear arms against their government in certain situations. We have had those rights taken away, including the right to freely demonstrate, our demos now have to have permission. | |||
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"So why don't th French check passengers in France? Like they da at airports. The carrier checks you passport and visa and then you get your entry stap in that country. About 20 years ago, the U.K. and France set up a reciprocal agreement so that people departing either country could clear the border at their port of departure so that they could simply drive away from the port of arrival without congesting the port. It has worked fantastically well.,.. until Brexit came along. So is it now time to kick it out and let the French do there checks in France. Why? You realise that would mean the U.K. doing its checks in the port of Dover as people (and goods) arrive from France. Have you transited Dover? Do you know just how small the Port is? The reason that this deal was agreed is because it was mutually beneficial. We could of course get on the Brexit self-harm bus and try to imagine that the French would be more pained than we would be and that could be seen as a win… but really? We need to be trying to mitigate Brexit fails, not celebrate shooting our feet off because we think it might be a win that the French got some blood splatter on their clothes." No can't say I have ever gone in or out of Dover, Newhaven is closer to me.. But would probably fly anyway I hate boats. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)
Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda.
That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder.
As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law.
Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead.
It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree.
But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading.
I'm confused with the UNHRC involvement, they seem deeply entrenched in Rwanda
Look at this countries history on human rights not good.
Curious. What's a long enough period for human rights situations to no longer be a factor in deportation?
Their human rights are also your human rights vote to have these rights reversed you're only doing it to yourself, your loved ones and siblings and there futures. if you tolerate this then your children will be next.
Please answer the question. How long is a good enough time tk wait before forgetting human rights abuses?
Never.
There is never a time to forget about murder.
OK cool. So how do you feel about Germany then? They have a pretty bad track record. surely not safe country for a refugee camp?
I cannot comment on what I do not know about, something you should take to heart as you have been corrected all day on everything you have said.
You me and every one has the power to change things for the better the better for us all.
We just need to put differences aside mobilise against the people who have hoodwinked us into thinking that we have no power.
Stop division.
Look at the French they take no crap from their government and have brought change through direct action.
The USA have it in their bill of rights to bear arms against their government in certain situations.
We have had those rights taken away, including the right to freely demonstrate, our demos now have to have permission."Wow you for got about 2 world war's and let's not get back to stop oil blowing up the roads day in day out climbing briges and closing the M25 where is my right to use the road. And guns you want more guns in Manchester | |||
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"So why don't th French check passengers in France? Like they da at airports. The carrier checks you passport and visa and then you get your entry stap in that country. About 20 years ago, the U.K. and France set up a reciprocal agreement so that people departing either country could clear the border at their port of departure so that they could simply drive away from the port of arrival without congesting the port. It has worked fantastically well.,.. until Brexit came along. So is it now time to kick it out and let the French do there checks in France. Why? You realise that would mean the U.K. doing its checks in the port of Dover as people (and goods) arrive from France. Have you transited Dover? Do you know just how small the Port is? The reason that this deal was agreed is because it was mutually beneficial. We could of course get on the Brexit self-harm bus and try to imagine that the French would be more pained than we would be and that could be seen as a win… but really? We need to be trying to mitigate Brexit fails, not celebrate shooting our feet off because we think it might be a win that the French got some blood splatter on their clothes." So your in the North West Why Dover how often do use it. | |||
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"According to The Port of Dover and the ferries companies, this issues is multi-faceted. More volume than expected, slower border processing and high winds. There's delays, tough cookies. The problem here is as soon as there's any sort of issue, there's certain people here who wanna make it EU vs UK. It takes 2 minutes to see this isn't EU vs UK at all. It isn’t EU vs U.K. , but is has everything to do with Brexit because of the need now for all passports to be examined and stamped at the EU border. It is the start of the school holidays and there are multiple coach loads of tourists on top of extra tourist traffic in cars. It will get even worse later this year when everyone will also need to be fingerprinted and have eye scans. Every extra minute or so on each passenger kids adds to the overall delays. Everything has everything to do with Brexit according to you. There's a really easy way to counter the Brexit argument and that's more staff. Really really simple solution. “The delays are not necessarily a surprise. The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to Brexit. Tim Reardon, head of EU Exit at the port, said French controls would get “more intrusive, and therefore slower” after the UK had fully left the EU, the Financial Times reported at the time. “That means we need more French kiosks in order to maintain the rate of flow,” he said. But the British government turned down the port’s request, which was made as part of a £200m Port Infrastructure Fund set up to manage the consequences of Brexit. Instead, it gave the port £33,000 for unrelated work. Mr Bannister, CEO of the Port of Dover, told the BBC “Being denied the funding for this programme…What that does mean is that we could see increased friction and increased hold ups while we get through the opening period of the transition," Mr Bannister said.” " A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July." Dover paid for the kiosks itself. The French are paid by the uk government for the juxtaposed controlsxand part of the agreement is to modernis and lay for them. They don't. Dover paid for these itself. This was a choice by the France immigration authority not to man the new terminals. And did you read the article a little further down when Ben Kentish interviewed Doug Bannister at around the same time as the ITV article? “Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover… “we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days”… Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc”… When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true“ Selectively quoting news items does not make something that is incorrect, become correct. You have asserted all along that the CEO of the Port of Dover has refuted that the situation has anything to do with Brexit. As with your efforts on the CPTPP threads, you ignore completely the elephant that is in the room and which is obvious to literally everyone else: 1) the chaos at Dover is down to Brexit because passports now need to be checked and at the start of holiday periods when it is really busy there are more people to handle. It is also going to get much, much worse when fingerprinting and eye scanning come in as it is likely to take five to ten times as long to process someone at the border. 2) CPTPP can never be as good as being in the European Single Market and Customs Union because of the distances involved. It’s that simple. 1) passports have always been checked. 2) get more staff. The answer to the delays in terms of 'passports being checked' are really very simple. Obviously the weather and 'wide of the range estimates' can't be helped. A simple solution would be to check passports leaving the UK and send on those details to the French and all EU authorities, so they know who has entered the EU. If the French or any other EU country want to check passports on the way out against who entered it would be a simple compare task on the UK database. Currently the problem is juxtaposed controls.because of the dublin convention/ touquet treaty. Rwanda plan will hopefully abolish a need for these. I reckon then France wouldn't have a problem staffing it's kiosks As for the Rwanda plan, on seeing the interview on The BBC yesterday, it came to light that in 2018 I think asylum seekers in Rwanda demonstrated as their food rations has been halved (food rations?). The Rwandan authorities reply was to lay down live fire killing 12 refuges. And I was told that it is a safe place to send our refugees hhhmmmm. Yes ,all acknowledged in the report when the government drafted the proposal. This is why the joint committee exists. Sorry to say no, she states in the interview she was not aware, which puts into light your comment, they should of been aware as there should of been assessments and the like to highlight risk. And if they where aware and still implemented the plan, then she should resign as she is willing to send people fleeing abuse to a country which has been highlighted as breaking human rights laws by shooting unarmed people for demonstrating which is their human right. There was an assessment. Braverman was bo aware. But Rwanda was the love child of priti patel until September last year. Rwanda had already been completed. The killings were known to uk government upon signing mou Go to BBc player, choose BBC 1 scroll down to schedule click on Sunday April 2nd choose 09.00am and watch the interview for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.
Yes I am aware Braverman dod t know. The uk government did though.
She is head of the home office, ho man.
Ok now you admit she knew, she still went ahead with the policy regardless (remember we are still in echr) should she now resign.
as this is the second time she has been found wanting ie misuse of emails.
Braverman didn't know. The uk government did
Rwanda was already dealt with and signed before she came to office. It was priti Patel.
Why would breaverman resign fkr a policy that patel and boris signed( if k remember correctly)
Good question, you are stating that the UK government knew, you are stating that the U.K government knew about the human right abuse in Rwanda.
That is more damming than you realise, you are stating that it is ok to send refugees to a know place where human rights are abused to the point of murder.
As far as I know we still have to go by the ECHR rules so to send people there is criminal by international law.
Suella is the government she sits on the cabinet and she states she didn't know, even with the process you stated earlier which should vet and highlight these offences which should make Rwanda unsuitable for deportation to, but they are still trying to go ahead.
It takes a certain type to know all of this and still agree.
But in the main you scare me, I am scared that there are others who have your thinking, I am scared were all this is leading.
I'm confused with the UNHRC involvement, they seem deeply entrenched in Rwanda
Look at this countries history on human rights not good.
Curious. What's a long enough period for human rights situations to no longer be a factor in deportation?
Their human rights are also your human rights vote to have these rights reversed you're only doing it to yourself, your loved ones and siblings and there futures. if you tolerate this then your children will be next.
Please answer the question. How long is a good enough time tk wait before forgetting human rights abuses?
Never.
There is never a time to forget about murder.
OK cool. So how do you feel about Germany then? They have a pretty bad track record. surely not safe country for a refugee camp?
I cannot comment on what I do not know about, something you should take to heart as you have been corrected all day on everything you have said.
You me and every one has the power to change things for the better the better for us all.
We just need to put differences aside mobilise against the people who have hoodwinked us into thinking that we have no power.
Stop division.
Look at the French they take no crap from their government and have brought change through direct action.
The USA have it in their bill of rights to bear arms against their government in certain situations.
We have had those rights taken away, including the right to freely demonstrate, our demos now have to have permission.
Wow you for got about 2 world war's and let's not get back to stop oil blowing up the roads day in day out climbing briges and closing the M25 where is my right to use the road.
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