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"I see it's fallen to 6.9% Obviously the UK will be much lower due to Brexit " Not that. What you will find is that of you really look hard at the EU data, it is much higher than you think it is and if you really look hard at the UK data it's much lower. Brexit no longer has anything to do with anything. It had no consequences. | |||
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"I see it's fallen to 6.9% Obviously the UK will be much lower due to Brexit Not that. What you will find is that of you really look hard at the EU data, it is much higher than you think it is and if you really look hard at the UK data it's much lower. Brexit no longer has anything to do with anything. It had no consequences." Massive queues at Dover again, tories blaming the French | |||
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"I see it's fallen to 6.9% Obviously the UK will be much lower due to Brexit Not that. What you will find is that of you really look hard at the EU data, it is much higher than you think it is and if you really look hard at the UK data it's much lower. Brexit no longer has anything to do with anything. It had no consequences." Pure comedy | |||
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"I see it's fallen to 6.9% Obviously the UK will be much lower due to Brexit Not that. What you will find is that of you really look hard at the EU data, it is much higher than you think it is and if you really look hard at the UK data it's much lower. Brexit no longer has anything to do with anything. It had no consequences." Easy you need to add  otherwise some people may think you are being serious! | |||
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"I see it's fallen to 6.9% Obviously the UK will be much lower due to Brexit Not that. What you will find is that of you really look hard at the EU data, it is much higher than you think it is and if you really look hard at the UK data it's much lower. Brexit no longer has anything to do with anything. It had no consequences. Massive queues at Dover again, tories blaming the French " I work in Dover.....it is the French, not having enough booths open. They had 6 open on Wednesday with minimal traffic. For the past 24 hours, which is always one of the busiest times of the year, there have been 2 open. While you may wish to blame the Tories, this one isn't down to them. | |||
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"I see it's fallen to 6.9% Obviously the UK will be much lower due to Brexit Not that. What you will find is that of you really look hard at the EU data, it is much higher than you think it is and if you really look hard at the UK data it's much lower. Brexit no longer has anything to do with anything. It had no consequences. Massive queues at Dover again, tories blaming the French I work in Dover.....it is the French, not having enough booths open. They had 6 open on Wednesday with minimal traffic. For the past 24 hours, which is always one of the busiest times of the year, there have been 2 open. While you may wish to blame the Tories, this one isn't down to them." They did the same last year. The management of Dover give them a report on how many people will be needed to.manage them booths. If I remember the director of the port requested 7 personnel last year and they sent 2. And he then gave out the process document calling the French bluff and they finally relented. I've bo idea why brits still do it. | |||
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" Massive queues at Dover again, tories blaming the French " Hang on, so traffic has been flowing through Dover without problems for years since Brexit, then the French step up industrial action, then queues happen on THIS side of the channel, and it's the fault of Brexit? | |||
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"Join sex site, hang out in political forums to cry about Brexit? " Just wait till you meet one at a swingers party....a night of Tories and Brexit, you can feel the sexual excitement drain out your boots within minutes. So its...nice to chat, must mingle, see you later, or maybe not.. | |||
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"I see it's fallen to 6.9% Obviously the UK will be much lower due to Brexit Not that. What you will find is that of you really look hard at the EU data, it is much higher than you think it is and if you really look hard at the UK data it's much lower. Brexit no longer has anything to do with anything. It had no consequences. Massive queues at Dover again, tories blaming the French I work in Dover.....it is the French, not having enough booths open. They had 6 open on Wednesday with minimal traffic. For the past 24 hours, which is always one of the busiest times of the year, there have been 2 open. While you may wish to blame the Tories, this one isn't down to them." Were these checks necessary before Brexit occured and who put the current processes in place? | |||
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"I see it's fallen to 6.9% Obviously the UK will be much lower due to Brexit Every thing the EU do has to be read very carefully over and over again they like writing rules an laws which let them do as they please with you. Just look at the so called brake they pretend to give us in Northern Ireland it is designed to stop nothing but Westminster has passed it. Those idiots need to have lessons on how to read EU documents. Plus it does not cover existing EU rules and as parts will not be in force for many months the EU can put more rules in place before that. It even breaks the main part of the GFA which states our laws must be passed by cross party vote in Northern Irelands government. What you will find is that of you really look hard at the EU data, it is much higher than you think it is and if you really look hard at the UK data it's much lower. Brexit no longer has anything to do with anything. It had no consequences." | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right? "the reports I have seen suggest all booths are open ... | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right? "Were these checks needed at all before Brexit? | |||
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"I see it's fallen to 6.9% Obviously the UK will be much lower due to Brexit Every thing the EU do has to be read very carefully over and over again they like writing rules an laws which let them do as they please with you. Just look at the so called brake they pretend to give us in Northern Ireland it is designed to stop nothing but Westminster has passed it. Those idiots need to have lessons on how to read EU documents. Plus it does not cover existing EU rules and as parts will not be in force for many months the EU can put more rules in place before that. It even breaks the main part of the GFA which states our laws must be passed by cross party vote in Northern Irelands government. What you will find is that of you really look hard at the EU data, it is much higher than you think it is and if you really look hard at the UK data it's much lower. Brexit no longer has anything to do with anything. It had no consequences." So why is that the fault of the EU and not our own Government, again? | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right?
Were these checks needed at all before Brexit?"Passport checks? Yes they were. | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right?
Were these checks needed at all before Brexit?
Passport checks? Yes they were."Did they require a 6 month validity check and a Visa waiver and a stamp? | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right?
Were these checks needed at all before Brexit?
Passport checks? Yes they were.
Did they require a 6 month validity check and a Visa waiver and a stamp?"Moving the goalposts I see. There's a surprise  | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right?
Were these checks needed at all before Brexit?
Passport checks? Yes they were.
Did they require a 6 month validity check and a Visa waiver and a stamp?
Moving the goalposts I see. There's a surprise "Do these "moving goalposts" cover a different set of passports checks that have to be carried out solely due to Brexit that take longer or do they not? | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right?
Were these checks needed at all before Brexit?
Passport checks? Yes they were.
Did they require a 6 month validity check and a Visa waiver and a stamp?
Moving the goalposts I see. There's a surprise "How is that moving the goalposts? Its clarifying the original point. The question asked if "these checks" were required before Brexit. The answer is NO. The checks were different and you know it. | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right?
Were these checks needed at all before Brexit?
Passport checks? Yes they were.
Did they require a 6 month validity check and a Visa waiver and a stamp?
Moving the goalposts I see. There's a surprise
Do these "moving goalposts" cover a different set of passports checks that have to be carried out solely due to Brexit that take longer or do they not?"Look at the original question and the comment you chose to quote. Checks had nothing to do with it, so I responded, passport checks have always been, that's not new. Validity checks has always been, that's not new. A stamp takes 2 seconds tops, it is new though. Visa waiver checks, yeah that's new. I've said this plenty but more staff fixes the problem. It's really simple. | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right?
Were these checks needed at all before Brexit?
Passport checks? Yes they were.
Did they require a 6 month validity check and a Visa waiver and a stamp?
Moving the goalposts I see. There's a surprise
How is that moving the goalposts? Its clarifying the original point. The question asked if "these checks" were required before Brexit. The answer is NO. The checks were different and you know it."The checks were different but that's not what he asked. He does like to ask one question followed by another 40 though. | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right?
Were these checks needed at all before Brexit?
Passport checks? Yes they were.
Did they require a 6 month validity check and a Visa waiver and a stamp?
Moving the goalposts I see. There's a surprise
How is that moving the goalposts? Its clarifying the original point. The question asked if "these checks" were required before Brexit. The answer is NO. The checks were different and you know it.
The checks were different but that's not what he asked. He does like to ask one question followed by another 40 though."So, you agree, they werent "these checks" as asked which you replied "Yes". So, in fact, the original question was fine and you were incorrect. | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right?
Were these checks needed at all before Brexit?
Passport checks? Yes they were.
Did they require a 6 month validity check and a Visa waiver and a stamp?
Moving the goalposts I see. There's a surprise
How is that moving the goalposts? Its clarifying the original point. The question asked if "these checks" were required before Brexit. The answer is NO. The checks were different and you know it.
The checks were different but that's not what he asked. He does like to ask one question followed by another 40 though.
So, you agree, they werent "these checks" as asked which you replied "Yes". So, in fact, the original question was fine and you were incorrect."'These checks' weren't clarified. However, of course I was incorrect if you then add in a lot of other 'measures'. Passport checks have always happened which is in fact what I said. Which is also correct. | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right?
Were these checks needed at all before Brexit?
Passport checks? Yes they were.
Did they require a 6 month validity check and a Visa waiver and a stamp?
Moving the goalposts I see. There's a surprise
Do these "moving goalposts" cover a different set of passports checks that have to be carried out solely due to Brexit that take longer or do they not?
Look at the original question and the comment you chose to quote.
Checks had nothing to do with it, so I responded, passport checks have always been, that's not new. Validity checks has always been, that's not new. A stamp takes 2 seconds tops, it is new though. Visa waiver checks, yeah that's new.
I've said this plenty but more staff fixes the problem. It's really simple."Who will sort the staff out? do we have control over that? | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right?
Were these checks needed at all before Brexit?
Passport checks? Yes they were.
Did they require a 6 month validity check and a Visa waiver and a stamp?
Moving the goalposts I see. There's a surprise
How is that moving the goalposts? Its clarifying the original point. The question asked if "these checks" were required before Brexit. The answer is NO. The checks were different and you know it.
The checks were different but that's not what he asked. He does like to ask one question followed by another 40 though.
So, you agree, they werent "these checks" as asked which you replied "Yes". So, in fact, the original question was fine and you were incorrect.
'These checks' weren't clarified. However, of course I was incorrect if you then add in a lot of other 'measures'.
Passport checks have always happened which is in fact what I said. Which is also correct.
"you mustn't have travelled very much when we were in the EU. nine times out of ten you literally held your passport out, only to get waved through. | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right?
Were these checks needed at all before Brexit?
Passport checks? Yes they were.
Did they require a 6 month validity check and a Visa waiver and a stamp?
Moving the goalposts I see. There's a surprise
Do these "moving goalposts" cover a different set of passports checks that have to be carried out solely due to Brexit that take longer or do they not?
Look at the original question and the comment you chose to quote.
Checks had nothing to do with it, so I responded, passport checks have always been, that's not new. Validity checks has always been, that's not new. A stamp takes 2 seconds tops, it is new though. Visa waiver checks, yeah that's new.
I've said this plenty but more staff fixes the problem. It's really simple.
Who will sort the staff out? do we have control over that?"No we don't control the amount of staff hence 'the French are at fault' I've travelled more than enough to know passport checks have always taken place. Are you suggesting you never had your passport checked at the very least to see it was valid and the photo matched? They just allowed you to move around freely without a check? | |||
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" I've said this plenty but more staff fixes the problem. It's really simple. Who will sort the staff out? do we have control over that? No we don't control the amount of staff hence 'the French are at fault' I've travelled more than enough to know passport checks have always taken place. Are you suggesting you never had your passport checked at the very least to see it was valid and the photo matched? They just allowed you to move around freely without a check?" So that notion of taking back control is not really working out in this instance is it? You know the French asked the UK Government for some more permanent infrastructure in Dover that the French said would make immigration clearance faster and more streamlined and be ready for the new ETIAS requirements that were due last year (2022), but which will now likely come into force later this year. The British Government declined because (they said) of the cost of £33 Million. My guess is that it wasn't just about the money, it would have meant having to accept that Brexit would have had consequences, and admissions like that are just not in the cult of Brexit rule book. The Government are going to have to relent though because immigration clearance at Dover is going to become an even lengthier process later this year when a system designed for air travel will be used at ferry terminals. You can multiply the delay time five or tenfold. Regarding passport checks, as I said, nine times out of ten I would get waved through, as I presume did most other people. From time to time, the passport would be checked yes, but that was an exception rather than a rule. The airports I mostly travelled to/from were Arrecife, Las Palmas, Malaga, Beziers and Corfu. I'd say the Spanish and Greeks were more often than waving us through but Beziers airport did check the passport as I recall. Perhaps you are thinking about the check-in process where you passport is most certainly checked against your ticketing info? | |||
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" I've said this plenty but more staff fixes the problem. It's really simple. Who will sort the staff out? do we have control over that? No we don't control the amount of staff hence 'the French are at fault' I've travelled more than enough to know passport checks have always taken place. Are you suggesting you never had your passport checked at the very least to see it was valid and the photo matched? They just allowed you to move around freely without a check? So that notion of taking back control is not really working out in this instance is it? You know the French asked the UK Government for some more permanent infrastructure in Dover that the French said would make immigration clearance faster and more streamlined and be ready for the new ETIAS requirements that were due last year (2022), but which will now likely come into force later this year. The British Government declined because (they said) of the cost of £33 Million. My guess is that it wasn't just about the money, it would have meant having to accept that Brexit would have had consequences, and admissions like that are just not in the cult of Brexit rule book. The Government are going to have to relent though because immigration clearance at Dover is going to become an even lengthier process later this year when a system designed for air travel will be used at ferry terminals. You can multiply the delay time five or tenfold. Regarding passport checks, as I said, nine times out of ten I would get waved through, as I presume did most other people. From time to time, the passport would be checked yes, but that was an exception rather than a rule. The airports I mostly travelled to/from were Arrecife, Las Palmas, Malaga, Beziers and Corfu. I'd say the Spanish and Greeks were more often than waving us through but Beziers airport did check the passport as I recall. Perhaps you are thinking about the check-in process where you passport is most certainly checked against your ticketing info? " I have never said anything about 'taking back control'. We could, but that's not the agreement. Perhaps I remember having my passport checked by Border Force agents. Good attempt at gaslighting though. | |||
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" I've said this plenty but more staff fixes the problem. It's really simple. Who will sort the staff out? do we have control over that? No we don't control the amount of staff hence 'the French are at fault' I've travelled more than enough to know passport checks have always taken place. Are you suggesting you never had your passport checked at the very least to see it was valid and the photo matched? They just allowed you to move around freely without a check? So that notion of taking back control is not really working out in this instance is it? You know the French asked the UK Government for some more permanent infrastructure in Dover that the French said would make immigration clearance faster and more streamlined and be ready for the new ETIAS requirements that were due last year (2022), but which will now likely come into force later this year. The British Government declined because (they said) of the cost of £33 Million. My guess is that it wasn't just about the money, it would have meant having to accept that Brexit would have had consequences, and admissions like that are just not in the cult of Brexit rule book. The Government are going to have to relent though because immigration clearance at Dover is going to become an even lengthier process later this year when a system designed for air travel will be used at ferry terminals. You can multiply the delay time five or tenfold. Regarding passport checks, as I said, nine times out of ten I would get waved through, as I presume did most other people. From time to time, the passport would be checked yes, but that was an exception rather than a rule. The airports I mostly travelled to/from were Arrecife, Las Palmas, Malaga, Beziers and Corfu. I'd say the Spanish and Greeks were more often than waving us through but Beziers airport did check the passport as I recall. Perhaps you are thinking about the check-in process where you passport is most certainly checked against your ticketing info? I have never said anything about 'taking back control'. We could, but that's not the agreement. Perhaps I remember having my passport checked by Border Force agents. Good attempt at gaslighting though." Which bit did you feel was gaslighting you? | |||
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" I've said this plenty but more staff fixes the problem. It's really simple. Who will sort the staff out? do we have control over that? No we don't control the amount of staff hence 'the French are at fault' I've travelled more than enough to know passport checks have always taken place. Are you suggesting you never had your passport checked at the very least to see it was valid and the photo matched? They just allowed you to move around freely without a check? So that notion of taking back control is not really working out in this instance is it? You know the French asked the UK Government for some more permanent infrastructure in Dover that the French said would make immigration clearance faster and more streamlined and be ready for the new ETIAS requirements that were due last year (2022), but which will now likely come into force later this year. The British Government declined because (they said) of the cost of £33 Million. My guess is that it wasn't just about the money, it would have meant having to accept that Brexit would have had consequences, and admissions like that are just not in the cult of Brexit rule book. The Government are going to have to relent though because immigration clearance at Dover is going to become an even lengthier process later this year when a system designed for air travel will be used at ferry terminals. You can multiply the delay time five or tenfold. Regarding passport checks, as I said, nine times out of ten I would get waved through, as I presume did most other people. From time to time, the passport would be checked yes, but that was an exception rather than a rule. The airports I mostly travelled to/from were Arrecife, Las Palmas, Malaga, Beziers and Corfu. I'd say the Spanish and Greeks were more often than waving us through but Beziers airport did check the passport as I recall. Perhaps you are thinking about the check-in process where you passport is most certainly checked against your ticketing info? I have never said anything about 'taking back control'. We could, but that's not the agreement. Perhaps I remember having my passport checked by Border Force agents. Good attempt at gaslighting though. Which bit did you feel was gaslighting you? " You do know what galsighting is don't you? You attempted to tell me I remember something different to the reality. | |||
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" I've said this plenty but more staff fixes the problem. It's really simple. Who will sort the staff out? do we have control over that? No we don't control the amount of staff hence 'the French are at fault' I've travelled more than enough to know passport checks have always taken place. Are you suggesting you never had your passport checked at the very least to see it was valid and the photo matched? They just allowed you to move around freely without a check? So that notion of taking back control is not really working out in this instance is it? You know the French asked the UK Government for some more permanent infrastructure in Dover that the French said would make immigration clearance faster and more streamlined and be ready for the new ETIAS requirements that were due last year (2022), but which will now likely come into force later this year. The British Government declined because (they said) of the cost of £33 Million. My guess is that it wasn't just about the money, it would have meant having to accept that Brexit would have had consequences, and admissions like that are just not in the cult of Brexit rule book. The Government are going to have to relent though because immigration clearance at Dover is going to become an even lengthier process later this year when a system designed for air travel will be used at ferry terminals. You can multiply the delay time five or tenfold. Regarding passport checks, as I said, nine times out of ten I would get waved through, as I presume did most other people. From time to time, the passport would be checked yes, but that was an exception rather than a rule. The airports I mostly travelled to/from were Arrecife, Las Palmas, Malaga, Beziers and Corfu. I'd say the Spanish and Greeks were more often than waving us through but Beziers airport did check the passport as I recall. Perhaps you are thinking about the check-in process where you passport is most certainly checked against your ticketing info? I have never said anything about 'taking back control'. We could, but that's not the agreement. Perhaps I remember having my passport checked by Border Force agents. Good attempt at gaslighting though. Which bit did you feel was gaslighting you? You do know what galsighting is don't you? You attempted to tell me I remember something different to the reality." Have to say I also remember being waved through passport control all over Europe nine times out of ten as well. Passport and ticketing check is undertaken by the airline before boarding. It would also have been the departure country for security reasons (ie only the right named person can enter the departure lounge). Rarely were EU passports checked on arrival. | |||
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" I've said this plenty but more staff fixes the problem. It's really simple. Who will sort the staff out? do we have control over that? No we don't control the amount of staff hence 'the French are at fault' I've travelled more than enough to know passport checks have always taken place. Are you suggesting you never had your passport checked at the very least to see it was valid and the photo matched? They just allowed you to move around freely without a check? So that notion of taking back control is not really working out in this instance is it? You know the French asked the UK Government for some more permanent infrastructure in Dover that the French said would make immigration clearance faster and more streamlined and be ready for the new ETIAS requirements that were due last year (2022), but which will now likely come into force later this year. The British Government declined because (they said) of the cost of £33 Million. My guess is that it wasn't just about the money, it would have meant having to accept that Brexit would have had consequences, and admissions like that are just not in the cult of Brexit rule book. The Government are going to have to relent though because immigration clearance at Dover is going to become an even lengthier process later this year when a system designed for air travel will be used at ferry terminals. You can multiply the delay time five or tenfold. Regarding passport checks, as I said, nine times out of ten I would get waved through, as I presume did most other people. From time to time, the passport would be checked yes, but that was an exception rather than a rule. The airports I mostly travelled to/from were Arrecife, Las Palmas, Malaga, Beziers and Corfu. I'd say the Spanish and Greeks were more often than waving us through but Beziers airport did check the passport as I recall. Perhaps you are thinking about the check-in process where you passport is most certainly checked against your ticketing info? I have never said anything about 'taking back control'. We could, but that's not the agreement. Perhaps I remember having my passport checked by Border Force agents. Good attempt at gaslighting though. Which bit did you feel was gaslighting you? You do know what galsighting is don't you? You attempted to tell me I remember something different to the reality. Have to say I also remember being waved through passport control all over Europe nine times out of ten as well. Passport and ticketing check is undertaken by the airline before boarding. It would also have been the departure country for security reasons (ie only the right named person can enter the departure lounge). Rarely were EU passports checked on arrival." Maybe I just have one of those faces | |||
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" I've said this plenty but more staff fixes the problem. It's really simple. Who will sort the staff out? do we have control over that? No we don't control the amount of staff hence 'the French are at fault' I've travelled more than enough to know passport checks have always taken place. Are you suggesting you never had your passport checked at the very least to see it was valid and the photo matched? They just allowed you to move around freely without a check? So that notion of taking back control is not really working out in this instance is it? You know the French asked the UK Government for some more permanent infrastructure in Dover that the French said would make immigration clearance faster and more streamlined and be ready for the new ETIAS requirements that were due last year (2022), but which will now likely come into force later this year. The British Government declined because (they said) of the cost of £33 Million. My guess is that it wasn't just about the money, it would have meant having to accept that Brexit would have had consequences, and admissions like that are just not in the cult of Brexit rule book. The Government are going to have to relent though because immigration clearance at Dover is going to become an even lengthier process later this year when a system designed for air travel will be used at ferry terminals. You can multiply the delay time five or tenfold. Regarding passport checks, as I said, nine times out of ten I would get waved through, as I presume did most other people. From time to time, the passport would be checked yes, but that was an exception rather than a rule. The airports I mostly travelled to/from were Arrecife, Las Palmas, Malaga, Beziers and Corfu. I'd say the Spanish and Greeks were more often than waving us through but Beziers airport did check the passport as I recall. Perhaps you are thinking about the check-in process where you passport is most certainly checked against your ticketing info? I have never said anything about 'taking back control'. We could, but that's not the agreement. Perhaps I remember having my passport checked by Border Force agents. Good attempt at gaslighting though. Which bit did you feel was gaslighting you? You do know what galsighting is don't you? You attempted to tell me I remember something different to the reality. Have to say I also remember being waved through passport control all over Europe nine times out of ten as well. Passport and ticketing check is undertaken by the airline before boarding. It would also have been the departure country for security reasons (ie only the right named person can enter the departure lounge). Rarely were EU passports checked on arrival. Maybe I just have one of those faces" Lolz. Dodgy clearly!!! | |||
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"Have to say I also remember being waved through passport control all over Europe nine times out of ten as well." I used to do a lot of traveling between the UK and Germany, and I had my passport fully scrutinised every single time, as did the German nationals arriving on the same plane. Maybe different countries used to do different things. | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%" what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. " You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high." What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument. | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right?
Were these checks needed at all before Brexit?
Passport checks? Yes they were.
Did they require a 6 month validity check and a Visa waiver and a stamp?
Moving the goalposts I see. There's a surprise
Do these "moving goalposts" cover a different set of passports checks that have to be carried out solely due to Brexit that take longer or do they not?
Look at the original question and the comment you chose to quote.
Checks had nothing to do with it, so I responded, passport checks have always been, that's not new. Validity checks has always been, that's not new. A stamp takes 2 seconds tops, it is new though. Visa waiver checks, yeah that's new.
I've said this plenty but more staff fixes the problem. It's really simple."Obviously it is more than Brexit alone. Nobody has said otherwise. However: 'The Government also acknowledged that “new processes” introduced following Brexit had contributed to the problems on cross-channel ferries in recent days.' https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/easter-bank-holiday-travel-dover-france-delays-b1071891.html | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument." Germany https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_consumer_price_index_food_nsa#:~:text=Germany%20Consumer%20Price%20Index%3A%20Food%20is%20at%20a%20current%20level,21.76%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago. UK https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/recenttrendsinukfoodanddrinkproducerandconsumerprices/january2023 You should be able to see a few years worth of data on those links. Can you answer my question? No one seems to be able to. | |||
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"Its funny how some people blame Brexit for anything or everything if things goes wrong in terms or the economy or in this case the quese at Dover border control despite the fact the French public workers have been striking because of the pension age going up over in France so thats going to have an inpact but I guess Brexit has to do with it too right?
Were these checks needed at all before Brexit?
Passport checks? Yes they were.
Did they require a 6 month validity check and a Visa waiver and a stamp?
Moving the goalposts I see. There's a surprise
Do these "moving goalposts" cover a different set of passports checks that have to be carried out solely due to Brexit that take longer or do they not?
Look at the original question and the comment you chose to quote.
Checks had nothing to do with it, so I responded, passport checks have always been, that's not new. Validity checks has always been, that's not new. A stamp takes 2 seconds tops, it is new though. Visa waiver checks, yeah that's new.
I've said this plenty but more staff fixes the problem. It's really simple.
Obviously it is more than Brexit alone. Nobody has said otherwise. However:
'The Government also acknowledged that “new processes” introduced following Brexit had contributed to the problems on cross-channel ferries in recent days.'
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/easter-bank-holiday-travel-dover-france-delays-b1071891.html"Plenty of people on here have said otherwise, including the OP. You'll note that they didn't deny it when I pointed it out to them. | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument. Germany https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_consumer_price_index_food_nsa#:~:text=Germany%20Consumer%20Price%20Index%3A%20Food%20is%20at%20a%20current%20level,21.76%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago. UK https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/recenttrendsinukfoodanddrinkproducerandconsumerprices/january2023 You should be able to see a few years worth of data on those links. Can you answer my question? No one seems to be able to." Germany seems to have a higher inflation rate than the UK when looking at 5 year numbers. I couldn't tell you why. Imo given complexities more work is needed (and for the record I'd be saying that on most numbers). | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. " 4% difference was recently quite stark. When talking about other things  | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument. Germany https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_consumer_price_index_food_nsa#:~:text=Germany%20Consumer%20Price%20Index%3A%20Food%20is%20at%20a%20current%20level,21.76%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago. UK https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/recenttrendsinukfoodanddrinkproducerandconsumerprices/january2023 You should be able to see a few years worth of data on those links. Can you answer my question? No one seems to be able to. Germany seems to have a higher inflation rate than the UK when looking at 5 year numbers. I couldn't tell you why. Imo given complexities more work is needed (and for the record I'd be saying that on most numbers). " Tbf to you Hovis you're one of the more sensible ones on here so I'll accept you saying more work would be needed. I've provided those links because someone said to check them. | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument. Germany https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_consumer_price_index_food_nsa#:~:text=Germany%20Consumer%20Price%20Index%3A%20Food%20is%20at%20a%20current%20level,21.76%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago. UK https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/recenttrendsinukfoodanddrinkproducerandconsumerprices/january2023 You should be able to see a few years worth of data on those links. Can you answer my question? No one seems to be able to. Germany seems to have a higher inflation rate than the UK when looking at 5 year numbers. I couldn't tell you why. Imo given complexities more work is needed (and for the record I'd be saying that on most numbers). Tbf to you Hovis you're one of the more sensible ones on here so I'll accept you saying more work would be needed. I've provided those links because someone said to check them." I don't need to check them. If you wish to see the full consequences of Brexit on UK vs German food prices you need to look from 2016. I don't know. Knock yourself out. | |||
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"I see it's fallen to 6.9% Obviously the UK will be much lower due to Brexit " I've been in Brexit hell all day | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument. Germany https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_consumer_price_index_food_nsa#:~:text=Germany%20Consumer%20Price%20Index%3A%20Food%20is%20at%20a%20current%20level,21.76%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago. UK https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/recenttrendsinukfoodanddrinkproducerandconsumerprices/january2023 You should be able to see a few years worth of data on those links. Can you answer my question? No one seems to be able to. Germany seems to have a higher inflation rate than the UK when looking at 5 year numbers. I couldn't tell you why. Imo given complexities more work is needed (and for the record I'd be saying that on most numbers). Tbf to you Hovis you're one of the more sensible ones on here so I'll accept you saying more work would be needed. I've provided those links because someone said to check them. I don't need to check them. If you wish to see the full consequences of Brexit on UK vs German food prices you need to look from 2016. I don't know. Knock yourself out." And there we have it folks. He suggests I do my research, I done my research, provided data, and he doesn't need to check them. That tells me everything I already knew  | |||
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"And there we have it folks. He suggests I do my research, I done my research, provided data, and he doesn't need to check them. That tells me everything I already knew " I'm sure you're not surprised. But thanks for doing the research and posting the data. It lets the rest of us see what's actually going on. | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument. Germany https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_consumer_price_index_food_nsa#:~:text=Germany%20Consumer%20Price%20Index%3A%20Food%20is%20at%20a%20current%20level,21.76%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago. UK https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/recenttrendsinukfoodanddrinkproducerandconsumerprices/january2023 You should be able to see a few years worth of data on those links. Can you answer my question? No one seems to be able to. Germany seems to have a higher inflation rate than the UK when looking at 5 year numbers. I couldn't tell you why. Imo given complexities more work is needed (and for the record I'd be saying that on most numbers). Tbf to you Hovis you're one of the more sensible ones on here so I'll accept you saying more work would be needed. I've provided those links because someone said to check them. I don't need to check them. If you wish to see the full consequences of Brexit on UK vs German food prices you need to look from 2016. I don't know. Knock yourself out. And there we have it folks. He suggests I do my research, I done my research, provided data, and he doesn't need to check them. That tells me everything I already knew "The data is not comparable. Trading Economics provides an easier comparison, but the source of the data is unclear. I just made a suggestion as to what you could do to resolve your own speculation. You still have not, so appear to know no more. | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument. Germany https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_consumer_price_index_food_nsa#:~:text=Germany%20Consumer%20Price%20Index%3A%20Food%20is%20at%20a%20current%20level,21.76%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago. UK https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/recenttrendsinukfoodanddrinkproducerandconsumerprices/january2023 You should be able to see a few years worth of data on those links. Can you answer my question? No one seems to be able to. Germany seems to have a higher inflation rate than the UK when looking at 5 year numbers. I couldn't tell you why. Imo given complexities more work is needed (and for the record I'd be saying that on most numbers). Tbf to you Hovis you're one of the more sensible ones on here so I'll accept you saying more work would be needed. I've provided those links because someone said to check them. I don't need to check them. If you wish to see the full consequences of Brexit on UK vs German food prices you need to look from 2016. I don't know. Knock yourself out. And there we have it folks. He suggests I do my research, I done my research, provided data, and he doesn't need to check them. That tells me everything I already knew
The data is not comparable.
Trading Economics provides an easier comparison, but the source of the data is unclear.
I just made a suggestion as to what you could do to resolve your own speculation.
You still have not, so appear to know no more."The data is not comparable? The data shows multiple years up to 10 from official sources. Did you even bother to look? It's not my speculation, I've asked a question and your response was to do some research which I've done. Clearly you know better as always. Analyse the data and give your understanding or don't | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument. Germany https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_consumer_price_index_food_nsa#:~:text=Germany%20Consumer%20Price%20Index%3A%20Food%20is%20at%20a%20current%20level,21.76%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago. UK https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/recenttrendsinukfoodanddrinkproducerandconsumerprices/january2023 You should be able to see a few years worth of data on those links. Can you answer my question? No one seems to be able to. Germany seems to have a higher inflation rate than the UK when looking at 5 year numbers. I couldn't tell you why. Imo given complexities more work is needed (and for the record I'd be saying that on most numbers). Tbf to you Hovis you're one of the more sensible ones on here so I'll accept you saying more work would be needed. I've provided those links because someone said to check them. I don't need to check them. If you wish to see the full consequences of Brexit on UK vs German food prices you need to look from 2016. I don't know. Knock yourself out. And there we have it folks. He suggests I do my research, I done my research, provided data, and he doesn't need to check them. That tells me everything I already knew
The data is not comparable.
Trading Economics provides an easier comparison, but the source of the data is unclear.
I just made a suggestion as to what you could do to resolve your own speculation.
You still have not, so appear to know no more.
The data is not comparable?
The data shows multiple years up to 10 from official sources.
Did you even bother to look?
It's not my speculation, I've asked a question and your response was to do some research which I've done. Clearly you know better as always.
Analyse the data and give your understanding or don't"Which "the official sources"? Can they be overlaid? You wanted to know. I didn't. I just encourages you to find a way to resolve your concerns. Feel free to read the thread back. | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument. Germany https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_consumer_price_index_food_nsa#:~:text=Germany%20Consumer%20Price%20Index%3A%20Food%20is%20at%20a%20current%20level,21.76%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago. UK https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/recenttrendsinukfoodanddrinkproducerandconsumerprices/january2023 You should be able to see a few years worth of data on those links. Can you answer my question? No one seems to be able to. Germany seems to have a higher inflation rate than the UK when looking at 5 year numbers. I couldn't tell you why. Imo given complexities more work is needed (and for the record I'd be saying that on most numbers). Tbf to you Hovis you're one of the more sensible ones on here so I'll accept you saying more work would be needed. I've provided those links because someone said to check them. I don't need to check them. If you wish to see the full consequences of Brexit on UK vs German food prices you need to look from 2016. I don't know. Knock yourself out. And there we have it folks. He suggests I do my research, I done my research, provided data, and he doesn't need to check them. That tells me everything I already knew
The data is not comparable.
Trading Economics provides an easier comparison, but the source of the data is unclear.
I just made a suggestion as to what you could do to resolve your own speculation.
You still have not, so appear to know no more.
The data is not comparable?
The data shows multiple years up to 10 from official sources.
Did you even bother to look?
It's not my speculation, I've asked a question and your response was to do some research which I've done. Clearly you know better as always.
Analyse the data and give your understanding or don't
Which "the official sources"?
Can they be overlaid?
You wanted to know. I didn't. I just encourages you to find a way to resolve your concerns.
Feel free to read the thread back."If you didn't want to know then why did you ask me a question? Honestly, I'd get more sense from my 4 year old neice. The data is there should you wish to look. If you don't wish to look that's cool, I'll leave you to it | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument. Germany https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_consumer_price_index_food_nsa#:~:text=Germany%20Consumer%20Price%20Index%3A%20Food%20is%20at%20a%20current%20level,21.76%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago. UK https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/recenttrendsinukfoodanddrinkproducerandconsumerprices/january2023 You should be able to see a few years worth of data on those links. Can you answer my question? No one seems to be able to. Germany seems to have a higher inflation rate than the UK when looking at 5 year numbers. I couldn't tell you why. Imo given complexities more work is needed (and for the record I'd be saying that on most numbers). Tbf to you Hovis you're one of the more sensible ones on here so I'll accept you saying more work would be needed. I've provided those links because someone said to check them. I don't need to check them. If you wish to see the full consequences of Brexit on UK vs German food prices you need to look from 2016. I don't know. Knock yourself out. And there we have it folks. He suggests I do my research, I done my research, provided data, and he doesn't need to check them. That tells me everything I already knew
The data is not comparable.
Trading Economics provides an easier comparison, but the source of the data is unclear.
I just made a suggestion as to what you could do to resolve your own speculation.
You still have not, so appear to know no more.
The data is not comparable?
The data shows multiple years up to 10 from official sources.
Did you even bother to look?
It's not my speculation, I've asked a question and your response was to do some research which I've done. Clearly you know better as always.
Analyse the data and give your understanding or don't
Which "the official sources"?
Can they be overlaid?
You wanted to know. I didn't. I just encourages you to find a way to resolve your concerns.
Feel free to read the thread back.
If you didn't want to know then why did you ask me a question?
Honestly, I'd get more sense from my 4 year old neice.
The data is there should you wish to look. If you don't wish to look that's cool, I'll leave you to it"ycharts has UK. And while not the best to use can help to see the change since 2016. That's where I eyeballed that Germany seems to run slightly hotter. Although also seemed to see a reduction in inflation (possibly deflation actually) during covid. Couldn't tell you why. | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument. Germany https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_consumer_price_index_food_nsa#:~:text=Germany%20Consumer%20Price%20Index%3A%20Food%20is%20at%20a%20current%20level,21.76%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago. UK https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/recenttrendsinukfoodanddrinkproducerandconsumerprices/january2023 You should be able to see a few years worth of data on those links. Can you answer my question? No one seems to be able to. Germany seems to have a higher inflation rate than the UK when looking at 5 year numbers. I couldn't tell you why. Imo given complexities more work is needed (and for the record I'd be saying that on most numbers). Tbf to you Hovis you're one of the more sensible ones on here so I'll accept you saying more work would be needed. I've provided those links because someone said to check them. I don't need to check them. If you wish to see the full consequences of Brexit on UK vs German food prices you need to look from 2016. I don't know. Knock yourself out. And there we have it folks. He suggests I do my research, I done my research, provided data, and he doesn't need to check them. That tells me everything I already knew
The data is not comparable.
Trading Economics provides an easier comparison, but the source of the data is unclear.
I just made a suggestion as to what you could do to resolve your own speculation.
You still have not, so appear to know no more.
The data is not comparable?
The data shows multiple years up to 10 from official sources.
Did you even bother to look?
It's not my speculation, I've asked a question and your response was to do some research which I've done. Clearly you know better as always.
Analyse the data and give your understanding or don't
Which "the official sources"?
Can they be overlaid?
You wanted to know. I didn't. I just encourages you to find a way to resolve your concerns.
Feel free to read the thread back.
If you didn't want to know then why did you ask me a question?
Honestly, I'd get more sense from my 4 year old neice.
The data is there should you wish to look. If you don't wish to look that's cool, I'll leave you to itycharts has UK. And while not the best to use can help to see the change since 2016. That's where I eyeballed that Germany seems to run slightly hotter. Although also seemed to see a reduction in inflation (possibly deflation actually) during covid. Couldn't tell you why. "Ycharts does have UK, they use ONS for stats. | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument. Germany https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_consumer_price_index_food_nsa#:~:text=Germany%20Consumer%20Price%20Index%3A%20Food%20is%20at%20a%20current%20level,21.76%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago. UK https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/recenttrendsinukfoodanddrinkproducerandconsumerprices/january2023 You should be able to see a few years worth of data on those links. Can you answer my question? No one seems to be able to. Germany seems to have a higher inflation rate than the UK when looking at 5 year numbers. I couldn't tell you why. Imo given complexities more work is needed (and for the record I'd be saying that on most numbers). Tbf to you Hovis you're one of the more sensible ones on here so I'll accept you saying more work would be needed. I've provided those links because someone said to check them. I don't need to check them. If you wish to see the full consequences of Brexit on UK vs German food prices you need to look from 2016. I don't know. Knock yourself out. And there we have it folks. He suggests I do my research, I done my research, provided data, and he doesn't need to check them. That tells me everything I already knew
The data is not comparable.
Trading Economics provides an easier comparison, but the source of the data is unclear.
I just made a suggestion as to what you could do to resolve your own speculation.
You still have not, so appear to know no more.
The data is not comparable?
The data shows multiple years up to 10 from official sources.
Did you even bother to look?
It's not my speculation, I've asked a question and your response was to do some research which I've done. Clearly you know better as always.
Analyse the data and give your understanding or don't
Which "the official sources"?
Can they be overlaid?
You wanted to know. I didn't. I just encourages you to find a way to resolve your concerns.
Feel free to read the thread back.
If you didn't want to know then why did you ask me a question?
Honestly, I'd get more sense from my 4 year old neice.
The data is there should you wish to look. If you don't wish to look that's cool, I'll leave you to it"It was rhetorical to help you find an answer to your own theorising. You found the information but stopped there. I'm not as keen to know as you are, but had a look at the data overlayed. | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument. Germany https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_consumer_price_index_food_nsa#:~:text=Germany%20Consumer%20Price%20Index%3A%20Food%20is%20at%20a%20current%20level,21.76%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago. UK https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/recenttrendsinukfoodanddrinkproducerandconsumerprices/january2023 You should be able to see a few years worth of data on those links. Can you answer my question? No one seems to be able to. Germany seems to have a higher inflation rate than the UK when looking at 5 year numbers. I couldn't tell you why. Imo given complexities more work is needed (and for the record I'd be saying that on most numbers). Tbf to you Hovis you're one of the more sensible ones on here so I'll accept you saying more work would be needed. I've provided those links because someone said to check them. I don't need to check them. If you wish to see the full consequences of Brexit on UK vs German food prices you need to look from 2016. I don't know. Knock yourself out. And there we have it folks. He suggests I do my research, I done my research, provided data, and he doesn't need to check them. That tells me everything I already knew
The data is not comparable.
Trading Economics provides an easier comparison, but the source of the data is unclear.
I just made a suggestion as to what you could do to resolve your own speculation.
You still have not, so appear to know no more.
The data is not comparable?
The data shows multiple years up to 10 from official sources.
Did you even bother to look?
It's not my speculation, I've asked a question and your response was to do some research which I've done. Clearly you know better as always.
Analyse the data and give your understanding or don't
Which "the official sources"?
Can they be overlaid?
You wanted to know. I didn't. I just encourages you to find a way to resolve your concerns.
Feel free to read the thread back.
If you didn't want to know then why did you ask me a question?
Honestly, I'd get more sense from my 4 year old neice.
The data is there should you wish to look. If you don't wish to look that's cool, I'll leave you to it
It was rhetorical to help you find an answer to your own theorising.
You found the information but stopped there.
I'm not as keen to know as you are, but had a look at the data overlayed."And what did you see from looking at the overlayed data? | |||
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"Inflation could be set to go up further with the decision to cap oil production by Opec and Russia... Reason, to protect the stability of the oil market, according to a Saudi Arabian minister. I'm at a loss to why they are pushing oil prices up now when we were hopefully going to see a stabilisation of inflation. German food Inflation now around 22%what's UK ? 18pc? Neither are great tbh. And it's the poorest who suffer. You are absolutely correct that neither are great. But what if like to know is, if food inflation is so high because its a direct consequence of Brexit, why is it lower than Germany? That's assuming I didn't miss Gexit, maybe that's why Germanys is so high. What have the food inflation rates in the two countries since Brexit? That will provide you with the actual distinction should anyone actually want the answer rather than just an argument. Germany https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_consumer_price_index_food_nsa#:~:text=Germany%20Consumer%20Price%20Index%3A%20Food%20is%20at%20a%20current%20level,21.76%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago. UK https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/recenttrendsinukfoodanddrinkproducerandconsumerprices/january2023 You should be able to see a few years worth of data on those links. Can you answer my question? No one seems to be able to. Germany seems to have a higher inflation rate than the UK when looking at 5 year numbers. I couldn't tell you why. Imo given complexities more work is needed (and for the record I'd be saying that on most numbers). Tbf to you Hovis you're one of the more sensible ones on here so I'll accept you saying more work would be needed. I've provided those links because someone said to check them. I don't need to check them. If you wish to see the full consequences of Brexit on UK vs German food prices you need to look from 2016. I don't know. Knock yourself out. And there we have it folks. He suggests I do my research, I done my research, provided data, and he doesn't need to check them. That tells me everything I already knew
The data is not comparable.
Trading Economics provides an easier comparison, but the source of the data is unclear.
I just made a suggestion as to what you could do to resolve your own speculation.
You still have not, so appear to know no more.
The data is not comparable?
The data shows multiple years up to 10 from official sources.
Did you even bother to look?
It's not my speculation, I've asked a question and your response was to do some research which I've done. Clearly you know better as always.
Analyse the data and give your understanding or don't
Which "the official sources"?
Can they be overlaid?
You wanted to know. I didn't. I just encourages you to find a way to resolve your concerns.
Feel free to read the thread back.
If you didn't want to know then why did you ask me a question?
Honestly, I'd get more sense from my 4 year old neice.
The data is there should you wish to look. If you don't wish to look that's cool, I'll leave you to it
It was rhetorical to help you find an answer to your own theorising.
You found the information but stopped there.
I'm not as keen to know as you are, but had a look at the data overlayed.
And what did you see from looking at the overlayed data?"from checking out trading economics indont see any change in the trend since 2008 | |||
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