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"Hopefully Charles will enjoy visiting Germany where most of his family are from & stay there. " Don't remember which current Windsors were born there. Can you remind us all? | |||
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"Hopefully Charles will enjoy visiting Germany where most of his family are from & stay there. " Most? OK, which ones? | |||
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"prince Albert was German, Victoria had loads of German ancestors , The duke of Edenborough (Philip not the current one) was a mixture of German & Greek royals " Who is Prince Albert in all of this? Prince Philips mother was British. She was born at Windsor Castle. | |||
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"Husband of Queen vicky. Born 200 years ago which is somehow relevant to today's monarchy as apparently that makes them (non British)" Oh I know who he is, just not sure where the link comes from | |||
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"Husband of Queen vicky. Born 200 years ago which is somehow relevant to today's monarchy as apparently that makes them (non British)" the royals are all about bloodline it does not mater where they were born | |||
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"Husband of Queen vicky. Born 200 years ago which is somehow relevant to today's monarchy as apparently that makes them (non British) the royals are all about bloodline it does not mater where they were born " What about the divine rights surely that is at the top of their and the indoctrinated pyramid. My dear fellow.  | |||
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"Husband of Queen vicky. Born 200 years ago which is somehow relevant to today's monarchy as apparently that makes them (non British) the royals are all about bloodline it does not mater where they were born " I think the replies to your OP show that people think those German familial ties are old enough to not really matter anymore. | |||
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"prince Albert was German, Victoria had loads of German ancestors , The duke of Edenborough (Philip not the current one) was a mixture of German & Greek royals " Queen Victorias mother was German , the Windsors ‘real’ name is Saxe -Coburg - Gotha . | |||
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"prince Albert was German, Victoria had loads of German ancestors , The duke of Edenborough (Philip not the current one) was a mixture of German & Greek royals Queen Victorias mother was German , the Windsors ‘real’ name is Saxe -Coburg - Gotha . " 10 posts up  | |||
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"prince Albert was German, Victoria had loads of German ancestors , The duke of Edenborough (Philip not the current one) was a mixture of German & Greek royals Queen Victorias mother was German , the Windsors ‘real’ name is Saxe -Coburg - Gotha . 10 posts up "Oops, sorry,  | |||
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"How did the Royal Family get the nMe Saxe-Coburg? "The name Saxe-Coburg-Gotha came into the British Royal Family in 1840 with the marriage of Queen Victoria to Prince Albert, son of Ernst, Duke of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha." That doesn't make them German, Greek, Danish or any other nationality. Ots also doesn't make it their 'real name'" I should look this up but wasn’t Queen Victoria of the House of Hanover (certainly some of the King George’s were) do strictly speaking already from German lineage? | |||
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"How did the Royal Family get the nMe Saxe-Coburg? "The name Saxe-Coburg-Gotha came into the British Royal Family in 1840 with the marriage of Queen Victoria to Prince Albert, son of Ernst, Duke of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha." That doesn't make them German, Greek, Danish or any other nationality. Ots also doesn't make it their 'real name' I should look this up but wasn’t Queen Victoria of the House of Hanover (certainly some of the King George’s were) do strictly speaking already from German lineage?" Yes she was and her mother was German | |||
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"How did the Royal Family get the nMe Saxe-Coburg? "The name Saxe-Coburg-Gotha came into the British Royal Family in 1840 with the marriage of Queen Victoria to Prince Albert, son of Ernst, Duke of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha." That doesn't make them German, Greek, Danish or any other nationality. Ots also doesn't make it their 'real name' I should look this up but wasn’t Queen Victoria of the House of Hanover (certainly some of the King George’s were) do strictly speaking already from German lineage?" Queen Victoria was the last monarch of the House of Hanover. | |||
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"There is no German king visiting Germany, the end ". Spoil sport this was fun until you came along  | |||
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"There is no German king visiting Germany, the end . Spoil sport this was fun until you came along " | |||
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"I may have some time this afternoon to go through this. Let's say 300 years? That should be enough to look at heritage I think." Can you also give Harold and the vikings a quick glance over too and refresh us? | |||
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"I may have some time this afternoon to go through this. Let's say 300 years? That should be enough to look at heritage I think. Can you also give Harold and the vikings a quick glance over too and refresh us?" Absolutely | |||
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"I may have some time this afternoon to go through this. Let's say 300 years? That should be enough to look at heritage I think. Can you also give Harold and the vikings a quick glance over too and refresh us? Absolutely "William the Conqueror | |||
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"Very few of you are 100% British. Our family certainly isn't. What's the problem here, the monarchy or Germans?" True, it is definitely a positive to have some ‘ non British ‘ heritage | |||
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"I may have some time this afternoon to go through this. Let's say 300 years? That should be enough to look at heritage I think. Can you also give Harold and the vikings a quick glance over too and refresh us?" History is history perhaps we need to move forward to a more democratic & accountable system ? Germans have managed OK without the Kaiser(spell check wanted to call him the kisser) | |||
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"Very few of you are 100% British. Our family certainly isn't. What's the problem here, the monarchy or Germans? True, it is definitely a positive to have some ‘ non British ‘ heritage " I'm not a royalist by any stretch of the imagination but even a brief look at the history of the monarchy will tell you that there's a very European mix to their ancestry. | |||
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"I may have some time this afternoon to go through this. Let's say 300 years? That should be enough to look at heritage I think. Can you also give Harold and the vikings a quick glance over too and refresh us? History is history perhaps we need to move forward to a more democratic & accountable system ? Germans have managed OK without the Kaiser(spell check wanted to call him the kisser) " I hope you are not having a bank holiday on the 8th | |||
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"Very few of you are 100% British. Our family certainly isn't. What's the problem here, the monarchy or Germans? True, it is definitely a positive to have some ‘ non British ‘ heritage I'm not a royalist by any stretch of the imagination but even a brief look at the history of the monarchy will tell you that there's a very European mix to their ancestry. " Bloody immigrants! | |||
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"I may have some time this afternoon to go through this. Let's say 300 years? That should be enough to look at heritage I think. Can you also give Harold and the vikings a quick glance over too and refresh us?" More bloody immigrants! | |||
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"I may have some time this afternoon to go through this. Let's say 300 years? That should be enough to look at heritage I think. Can you also give Harold and the vikings a quick glance over too and refresh us? History is history perhaps we need to move forward to a more democratic & accountable system ? Germans have managed OK without the Kaiser(spell check wanted to call him the kisser) " Only if you disregard that small blip named Adolf. | |||
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"Very few of you are 100% British. Our family certainly isn't. What's the problem here, the monarchy or Germans? True, it is definitely a positive to have some ‘ non British ‘ heritage I'm not a royalist by any stretch of the imagination but even a brief look at the history of the monarchy will tell you that there's a very European mix to their ancestry. Bloody immigrants!" Yep!  we're everywhere | |||
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"I may have some time this afternoon to go through this. Let's say 300 years? That should be enough to look at heritage I think. Can you also give Harold and the vikings a quick glance over too and refresh us? History is history perhaps we need to move forward to a more democratic & accountable system ? Germans have managed OK without the Kaiser(spell check wanted to call him the kisser) Only if you disregard that small blip named Adolf. "He was Austrian. Bloody immigrant! | |||
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"Husband of Queen vicky. Born 200 years ago which is somehow relevant to today's monarchy as apparently that makes them (non British) the royals are all about bloodline it does not mater where they were born " Do you include yourself in that strange logic? | |||
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"Very few of you are 100% British. Our family certainly isn't. What's the problem here, the monarchy or Germans?" This .. We are all ' bitzers'.. | |||
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"Very few of you are 100% British. Our family certainly isn't. What's the problem here, the monarchy or Germans? This .. We are all ' bitzers'.." Bitzers descended from bloody immigrants! | |||
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"Very few of you are 100% British. Our family certainly isn't. What's the problem here, the monarchy or Germans?" Nobody is 100% British unless you live in a remote village in rural Wales where they have only practiced procreation within the family (can’t post that word) for 2000 years. | |||
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"Husband of Queen vicky. Born 200 years ago which is somehow relevant to today's monarchy as apparently that makes them (non British) the royals are all about bloodline it does not mater where they were born Do you include yourself in that strange logic?" defiantly not I am a bit of a mongrel but I am not clamming to be royal or have a DeVine right to the throne | |||
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"Very few of you are 100% British. Our family certainly isn't. What's the problem here, the monarchy or Germans? Nobody is 100% British unless you live in a remote village in rural Wales where they have only practiced procreation within the family (can’t post that word) for 2000 years." I think they may not be localised to Wales, I'm pretty sure I may have stumbled upon one of these villages on a trip to Cornwall in 2016. | |||
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"Hopefully Charles will enjoy visiting Germany where most of his family are from & stay there. " How this post has survived is utterly beyond me | |||
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"Hopefully Charles will enjoy visiting Germany where most of his family are from & stay there. How this post has survived is utterly beyond me " Survived what? | |||
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"Very few of you are 100% British. Our family certainly isn't. What's the problem here, the monarchy or Germans? Nobody is 100% British unless you live in a remote village in rural Wales where they have only practiced procreation within the family (can’t post that word) for 2000 years. I think they may not be localised to Wales, I'm pretty sure I may have stumbled upon one of these villages on a trip to Cornwall in 2016. " The Wicker Man springs to mind | |||
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"And I hope that a few of you might be coming to some realisation now that even the most quintessentially "English" of the English have no more than a couple of generations right to be living here than those on the small boats that the rabid xenophobes are wanting to torpedo. A hundred years ago almost half of the world was under the rule of the British Empire, meaning that half of the world was British. The entire bloodline of the British royal family was "foreign" 150 years ago. All you that want to get rid of the "Europeans" and the "foreigners" - got news for you, not one of you are pure English blood. The only way that you can be English is to be a Heinz57 mixture of genes from all across the world. YOU and ME - we are all foreigners." Pretty much been covered in multiple threads across this thread already though | |||
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"And I hope that a few of you might be coming to some realisation now that even the most quintessentially "English" of the English have no more than a couple of generations right to be living here than those on the small boats that the rabid xenophobes are wanting to torpedo. A hundred years ago almost half of the world was under the rule of the British Empire, meaning that half of the world was British. The entire bloodline of the British royal family was "foreign" 150 years ago. All you that want to get rid of the "Europeans" and the "foreigners" - got news for you, not one of you are pure English blood. The only way that you can be English is to be a Heinz57 mixture of genes from all across the world. YOU and ME - we are all foreigners. Pretty much been covered in multiple threads across this thread already though "*multiple posts | |||
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"King Charles was born in London. His mother was born in London, his father in Greece. Who is German??" Prince Phillip was German , not Greek , It was a title bought and was given to him to hide his German Heritage when he was marrying the Queen... The name Battenberg was changed to Mount Batten ... his sisters marred German SS officers before the war. he and the Queen were also cousns .. LOL  | |||
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"prince Albert was German, Victoria had loads of German ancestors , The duke of Edenborough (Philip not the current one) was a mixture of German & Greek royals " You could be a German! | |||
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"King Charles was born in London. His mother was born in London, his father in Greece. Who is German?? Prince Phillip was German , not Greek , It was a title bought and was given to him to hide his German Heritage when he was marrying the Queen... The name Battenberg was changed to Mount Batten ... his sisters marred German SS officers before the war. he and the Queen were also cousns .. LOL "I said he was born in Greece. That would make him Greek. His mother was born in England and his father born in Greece. But, of course, he was German. | |||
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"I may have some time this afternoon to go through this. Let's say 300 years? That should be enough to look at heritage I think. Can you also give Harold and the vikings a quick glance over too and refresh us? History is history perhaps we need to move forward to a more democratic & accountable system ? Germans have managed OK without the Kaiser(spell check wanted to call him the kisser) " 1919 to 1945 was not a great time for Germany. 1946 to 1990 slowly got better for west but not for east Germany 1990 onwards and yes Germany has done OK. | |||
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"King Charles was born in London. His mother was born in London, his father in Greece. Who is German?? Prince Phillip was German , not Greek , It was a title bought and was given to him to hide his German Heritage when he was marrying the Queen... The name Battenberg was changed to Mount Batten ... his sisters marred German SS officers before the war. he and the Queen were also cousns .. LOL "But why would he have to hide his German heritage if she was German ? #confused | |||
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"King Charles was born in London. His mother was born in London, his father in Greece. Who is German?? Prince Phillip was German , not Greek , It was a title bought and was given to him to hide his German Heritage when he was marrying the Queen... The name Battenberg was changed to Mount Batten ... his sisters marred German SS officers before the war. he and the Queen were also cousns .. LOL
But why would he have to hide his German heritage if she was German ? #confused"Because the war hadn't been over very long and anti German sentiment was high. I don't think people thought of the queen as German, mainly because she wasn't. | |||
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"Hopefully Charles will enjoy visiting Germany where most of his family are from & stay there. " When Albert was born the place of his birth wasn't a part of Germany, it reads to me as it was its own country, which was ruled by the Saxon line which is now extinct. fascinating captain. | |||
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"Charles is English. His mother was English. There's no disputing that. But it feels like there's a valid question about the royals. Should we really be ruled over by these people forever because they come out of royal vaginas?" The royal family don't rule over the people
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"Hopefully Charles will enjoy visiting Germany where most of his family are from & stay there. When Albert was born the place of his birth wasn't a part of Germany, it reads to me as it was its own country, which was ruled by the Saxon line which is now extinct. fascinating captain." Germany as a single political entity did not exist until 1871. Prior to that the geographic area that equates to Germany at its greatest extent consisted of a plethora of smaller states including Princedoms, Dukedoms, City States etc. | |||
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"Charles is English. His mother was English. There's no disputing that." I'll dispute that. I'd say that Charles is British. He has spent his entire life moving between England, Scotland and Wales. I don't think you can say that he is more English than Scottish or Welsh. | |||
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"Charles is English. His mother was English. There's no disputing that. I'll dispute that. I'd say that Charles is British. He has spent his entire life moving between England, Scotland and Wales. I don't think you can say that he is more English than Scottish or Welsh." Yes he's British. Queen Victoria's mother was Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld. So the royal family does have quite strong blood ties to parts of what is now Germany via her and Prince Albert. It doesn't mean they're not British though. | |||
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"Hopefully Charles will enjoy visiting Germany where most of his family are from & stay there. When Albert was born the place of his birth wasn't a part of Germany, it reads to me as it was its own country, which was ruled by the Saxon line which is now extinct. fascinating captain. Germany as a single political entity did not exist until 1871. Prior to that the geographic area that equates to Germany at its greatest extent consisted of a plethora of smaller states including Princedoms, Dukedoms, City States etc." The German Confederation was an association of 39 predominantly German-speaking sovereign states in Central Europe. It was created by the Congress of Vienna in 1815 as a replacement of the former Holy Roman Empire, which had been dissolved in 1806. Formal unification of Germany into the modern nation-state was commenced on 18 August 1866 with the North German Confederation Treaty establishing the Prussia-led North German Confederation later transformed in 1871 into the German Empire. | |||
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"Hopefully Charles will enjoy visiting Germany where most of his family are from & stay there. When Albert was born the place of his birth wasn't a part of Germany, it reads to me as it was its own country, which was ruled by the Saxon line which is now extinct. fascinating captain. Germany as a single political entity did not exist until 1871. Prior to that the geographic area that equates to Germany at its greatest extent consisted of a plethora of smaller states including Princedoms, Dukedoms, City States etc. The German Confederation was an association of 39 predominantly German-speaking sovereign states in Central Europe. It was created by the Congress of Vienna in 1815 as a replacement of the former Holy Roman Empire, which had been dissolved in 1806. Formal unification of Germany into the modern nation-state was commenced on 18 August 1866 with the North German Confederation Treaty establishing the Prussia-led North German Confederation later transformed in 1871 into the German Empire. " Indeed and a fellow historian 
Some other little titbits (stop giggling at the back).
The German Empire (Reich) was ruled over by the head of the Prussian royal family as the Kaiser (a German derivative of “Caeser” and akin to the Russian derivative Tsar) and was considered by Hitler to be the Second Reich (the Holy Roman Empire being the First and Nazi Germany the Third).
The Holy Roman Empire always struck me as an oddity being neither very holy and certainly not Roman. The irony being that the Roman Empire was never able to conquer the Germanic tribes and expand the empire into the area of present day Germany, yet with the conversion to Christianity the tribes coalesced into the 39 states and then ultimately began electing a Holy Roman Emperor. | |||
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"Hopefully Charles will enjoy visiting Germany where most of his family are from & stay there. When Albert was born the place of his birth wasn't a part of Germany, it reads to me as it was its own country, which was ruled by the Saxon line which is now extinct. fascinating captain. Germany as a single political entity did not exist until 1871. Prior to that the geographic area that equates to Germany at its greatest extent consisted of a plethora of smaller states including Princedoms, Dukedoms, City States etc. The German Confederation was an association of 39 predominantly German-speaking sovereign states in Central Europe. It was created by the Congress of Vienna in 1815 as a replacement of the former Holy Roman Empire, which had been dissolved in 1806. Formal unification of Germany into the modern nation-state was commenced on 18 August 1866 with the North German Confederation Treaty establishing the Prussia-led North German Confederation later transformed in 1871 into the German Empire. Indeed and a fellow historian
Some other little titbits (stop giggling at the back).
The German Empire (Reich) was ruled over by the head of the Prussian royal family as the Kaiser (a German derivative of “Caeser” and akin to the Russian derivative Tsar) and was considered by Hitler to be the Second Reich (the Holy Roman Empire being the First and Nazi Germany the Third).
The Holy Roman Empire always struck me as an oddity being neither very holy and certainly not Roman. The irony being that the Roman Empire was never able to conquer the Germanic tribes and expand the empire into the area of present day Germany, yet with the conversion to Christianity the tribes coalesced into the 39 states and then ultimately began electing a Holy Roman Emperor."Trying not to giggle at the titbits
I was stationed in Germany in the early nineties in Detmold which is dominated by the Hermannsdenkmal (German for "Hermann Monument") forever known to generations of British squaddies as Herman the German.
The monument was constructed between 1838 and 1875 to commemorate the Cherusci war chief Arminius (in German, Hermann) and his victory over Rome at the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest in 9 AD. When the statue was built, its location was believed to be near the original battle site, although experts now consider it more likely that the battle took place near Kalkriese, about 100 km to the north-west. | |||
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"I see Charles as British with strong German ancestry. If he is not British then neither am I and many others. I seem to recall a tv program about WW1. I think it was titled something like 'Cousins at war' . Apparently at that time the king of England, the German Kaiser and the Russian tsar were all directly related to Queen Victoria. I think that's broadly correct but happy to be corrected" Correct. Would have to check how close a cousin but all certainly related. | |||
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"Charles is English. His mother was English. There's no disputing that. " Why was he the Prince of Wales, had they run out of Welsh men? | |||
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"Charles is English. His mother was English. There's no disputing that. Why was he the Prince of Wales, had they run out of Welsh men? " They were all busy singing in the vaaaalleys. | |||
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"I see Charles as British with strong German ancestry. If he is not British then neither am I and many others. I seem to recall a tv program about WW1. I think it was titled something like 'Cousins at war' . Apparently at that time the king of England, the German Kaiser and the Russian tsar were all directly related to Queen Victoria. I think that's broadly correct but happy to be corrected" yes this is correct, they were full cousins. During the Russian Revolution though the Tsar asked the King to accommodate him and his family, he refused on the grounds that this may trigger a British Revolution aswell, and as we all know now, shortly afterwards they were all executed | |||
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"I see Charles as British with strong German ancestry. If he is not British then neither am I and many others. I seem to recall a tv program about WW1. I think it was titled something like 'Cousins at war' . Apparently at that time the king of England, the German Kaiser and the Russian tsar were all directly related to Queen Victoria. I think that's broadly correct but happy to be corrected Correct. Would have to check how close a cousin but all certainly related." Kaiser Wilhelm II was a first cousin of George V. They had a common grandmother, Queen Victoria. Wilhelm's mother (also Victoria) was the sister of Edward VII. George's father. | |||
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"Another "little titbit": all these varying Dukedoms and kingdoms were in regions that were once tribal and had their own languages. They still exist today, and even though newspapers and the German we learn in schools is an official "hochdeutsch", the German spoken between two Bavarians will be difficult for Kölsch speakers to follow (and vice versa). We're not only talking about dialect or pronunciation or local words, my wife speaks a plattdütsch where something as simple as wir haben (we have...) is mir han. In WWII her father used platt with other radio operators to make things difficult for the Allies to understand. But even some of their own officers needed translators!" Yes very true. Mrs H's grandmother used to speak platt all the time. In Spain we have German neighbours, she is from Berlin and Mrs has no problem, he is from Hessen and Mrs sometimes doesn't understand a word he says. As for Bayern that is almost a different language altogether. | |||
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"German guy here.... No thanks you can keep Charles. Or maybe the French can take him if he can manage to get there with a bus via Dover?" perhaps they are sharpening up a guillotine for him? | |||
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"And I hope that a few of you might be coming to some realisation now that even the most quintessentially "English" of the English have no more than a couple of generations right to be living here than those on the small boats that the rabid xenophobes are wanting to torpedo. A hundred years ago almost half of the world was under the rule of the British Empire, meaning that half of the world was British. The entire bloodline of the British royal family was "foreign" 150 years ago. All you that want to get rid of the "Europeans" and the "foreigners" - got news for you, not one of you are pure English blood. The only way that you can be English is to be a Heinz57 mixture of genes from all across the world. YOU and ME - we are all foreigners." do you mean British or just English, what about the scottish, Irish or Welsh. Are you one of those? | |||
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