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"The literal definition of 'woke' as far as we're aware is said to be to be aware of injustice or discrimination in society. " The dictionary is now "liberal". Amazing. 99% of the time "woke" is used as an insult by racists/homophobes/xenophobes etc, who don't like being called out. | |||
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"I tend to prefer: A movement that empowers and personifies all the main characteristics of Narcissistic Personality Disorder including the belief the ‘woke’ are morally and intellectually superior to everyone else. A complete lack of interest and dismissal of anyone’s opinions or issues aside from their own. Projecting their own flaws / failings on to others. A victim hood / persecution complex with a refusal to take responsibility for any of their actions. Often resorts to rage and insults when consulted on said flaws and failings due to an inability to be able to engage in a structured debate. " we should also add "lacks self awareness and uses trendy terms from SM without understanding the nuances. Often accuses others of behaviours they exhibit." We are all woke now. | |||
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"I tend to prefer: A movement that empowers and personifies all the main characteristics of Narcissistic Personality Disorder including the belief the ‘woke’ are morally and intellectually superior to everyone else. A complete lack of interest and dismissal of anyone’s opinions or issues aside from their own. Projecting their own flaws / failings on to others. A victim hood / persecution complex with a refusal to take responsibility for any of their actions. Often resorts to rage and insults when consulted on said flaws and failings due to an inability to be able to engage in a structured debate. " Thats quite a lot of boxes to tick, not sure many people could. | |||
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"And there was me thinking “woke” was basically being kind and considerate to people who are different to us and trying our best to not offend, and certainly not deliberately offend. ie Woke is old fashioned good manners!" I'm afraid a simple thing such as a word can be used as a tool to beat people around the head with. Both left and right are equally responsible for the demise of woke in its natural form, as can be seen on this thread. | |||
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"And there was me thinking “woke” was basically being kind and considerate to people who are different to us and trying our best to not offend, and certainly not deliberately offend. ie Woke is old fashioned good manners! I'm afraid a simple thing such as a word can be used as a tool to beat people around the head with. Both left and right are equally responsible for the demise of woke in its natural form, as can be seen on this thread. " whenever I hear the word woke, I feel it says more about the user than anything. Of course it's used as a slap down. But if someone decision them selves as woke it rings like a person telling me they are charitable or kind hearted. Show me don't tell me. I also find it odd how much fab cares about labels when we see labels often don't work. And often do more harm. (Although, tbh, I'm not sure all fab agrees. *Starts a "am I bi if I only get BJ's from super feminine TS thread*) | |||
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"And there was me thinking “woke” was basically being kind and considerate to people who are different to us and trying our best to not offend, and certainly not deliberately offend. ie Woke is old fashioned good manners! I'm afraid a simple thing such as a word can be used as a tool to beat people around the head with. Both left and right are equally responsible for the demise of woke in its natural form, as can be seen on this thread. " Yep. Personally if someone calls me “woke” I just say “thanks I do my best”  | |||
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"And there was me thinking “woke” was basically being kind and considerate to people who are different to us and trying our best to not offend, and certainly not deliberately offend. ie Woke is old fashioned good manners! I'm afraid a simple thing such as a word can be used as a tool to beat people around the head with. Both left and right are equally responsible for the demise of woke in its natural form, as can be seen on this thread. " The dictionary definition of "woke" was described as "liberal" above. That tells you everything. | |||
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"And there was me thinking “woke” was basically being kind and considerate to people who are different to us and trying our best to not offend, and certainly not deliberately offend. ie Woke is old fashioned good manners! I'm afraid a simple thing such as a word can be used as a tool to beat people around the head with. Both left and right are equally responsible for the demise of woke in its natural form, as can be seen on this thread. The dictionary definition of "woke" was described as "liberal" above. That tells you everything. " I might be wrong... have you read literal as liberal? | |||
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"And there was me thinking “woke” was basically being kind and considerate to people who are different to us and trying our best to not offend, and certainly not deliberately offend. ie Woke is old fashioned good manners! I'm afraid a simple thing such as a word can be used as a tool to beat people around the head with. Both left and right are equally responsible for the demise of woke in its natural form, as can be seen on this thread. The dictionary definition of "woke" was described as "liberal" above. That tells you everything. I might be wrong... have you read literal as liberal? " Oh boy! I have. Must remember not to browse fab without my glasses. Carry on everyone. Nothing to see here. | |||
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"Wondering if our fabbers can do better than this expert. On a subject she is supposed to know, and explain better than this. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-author-bethany-mandel-freezes-up-when-pressed-to-define-woke" Being called woke is a compliment, people who use it as an insult are either thick or don’t know the true meaning of the word  | |||
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"Wondering if our fabbers can do better than this expert. On a subject she is supposed to know, and explain better than this. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-author-bethany-mandel-freezes-up-when-pressed-to-define-woke Being called woke is a compliment, people who use it as an insult are either thick or don’t know the true meaning of the word "When I have had conversations with people who have called someone woke, it tends not to be so much about a topic, subject or event but more about how the person reacts or behaves to something. Over the top reactions, lost in in the battle to be progressive rather than discussing the issue in hand. That is what they are calling woke the behaviour traits. It is simply a breakdown in communication that neither side will compromise or backdown from. | |||
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"Wondering if our fabbers can do better than this expert. On a subject she is supposed to know, and explain better than this. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-author-bethany-mandel-freezes-up-when-pressed-to-define-woke Being called woke is a compliment, people who use it as an insult are either thick or don’t know the true meaning of the word
When I have had conversations with people who have called someone woke, it tends not to be so much about a topic, subject or event but more about how the person reacts or behaves to something. Over the top reactions, lost in in the battle to be progressive rather than discussing the issue in hand. That is what they are calling woke the behaviour traits.
It is simply a breakdown in communication that neither side will compromise or backdown from."I've tried to explain this to multiple people on these forums but they're more interested in calling people thick, racist or whatever other words they can use to dismiss anyone who uses the word. It's shutdown 101. | |||
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"Wondering if our fabbers can do better than this expert. On a subject she is supposed to know, and explain better than this. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-author-bethany-mandel-freezes-up-when-pressed-to-define-woke Being called woke is a compliment, people who use it as an insult are either thick or don’t know the true meaning of the word
When I have had conversations with people who have called someone woke, it tends not to be so much about a topic, subject or event but more about how the person reacts or behaves to something. Over the top reactions, lost in in the battle to be progressive rather than discussing the issue in hand. That is what they are calling woke the behaviour traits.
It is simply a breakdown in communication that neither side will compromise or backdown from."Whenever I've heard it used, as it's usually used on Fab, is by people who, if being kind, have old fashioned views, and who don't like being challenged. It's the new "snowflake". IE. It's not socially acceptable to be openly bigoted anymore, so these turn on people who are aware of social injustice, especially in the form of racism, in order to vent their confusion and anger at the world changing. | |||
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"Wondering if our fabbers can do better than this expert. On a subject she is supposed to know, and explain better than this. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-author-bethany-mandel-freezes-up-when-pressed-to-define-woke Being called woke is a compliment, people who use it as an insult are either thick or don’t know the true meaning of the word
When I have had conversations with people who have called someone woke, it tends not to be so much about a topic, subject or event but more about how the person reacts or behaves to something. Over the top reactions, lost in in the battle to be progressive rather than discussing the issue in hand. That is what they are calling woke the behaviour traits.
It is simply a breakdown in communication that neither side will compromise or backdown from."I would have thought that people like that are on both sides of the political division. But the word only seems to be used by one side to call out this type of behaviour. So can you really describe it as that. | |||
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"Wondering if our fabbers can do better than this expert. On a subject she is supposed to know, and explain better than this. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-author-bethany-mandel-freezes-up-when-pressed-to-define-woke Being called woke is a compliment, people who use it as an insult are either thick or don’t know the true meaning of the word
When I have had conversations with people who have called someone woke, it tends not to be so much about a topic, subject or event but more about how the person reacts or behaves to something. Over the top reactions, lost in in the battle to be progressive rather than discussing the issue in hand. That is what they are calling woke the behaviour traits.
It is simply a breakdown in communication that neither side will compromise or backdown from.
Whenever I've heard it used, as it's usually used on Fab, is by people who, if being kind, have old fashioned views, and who don't like being challenged.
It's the new "snowflake".
IE. It's not socially acceptable to be openly bigoted anymore, so these turn on people who are aware of social injustice, especially in the form of racism, in order to vent their confusion and anger at the world changing. "I can see that but I can also see those who take what they believe is the moral high ground and are simply right without question, and will shut down any form of discussion. They ironically show the same bigotry they resent though their actions of being entrenched in their own beliefs. | |||
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"Wondering if our fabbers can do better than this expert. On a subject she is supposed to know, and explain better than this. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-author-bethany-mandel-freezes-up-when-pressed-to-define-woke Being called woke is a compliment, people who use it as an insult are either thick or don’t know the true meaning of the word
When I have had conversations with people who have called someone woke, it tends not to be so much about a topic, subject or event but more about how the person reacts or behaves to something. Over the top reactions, lost in in the battle to be progressive rather than discussing the issue in hand. That is what they are calling woke the behaviour traits.
It is simply a breakdown in communication that neither side will compromise or backdown from.
I would have thought that people like that are on both sides of the political division. But the word only seems to be used by one side to call out this type of behaviour. So can you really describe it as that."the way i see it, left leaning will call a right leaning person a bigot, and the right leaning person calls the left leaning person woke. Stalemate | |||
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"Wondering if our fabbers can do better than this expert. On a subject she is supposed to know, and explain better than this. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-author-bethany-mandel-freezes-up-when-pressed-to-define-woke Being called woke is a compliment, people who use it as an insult are either thick or don’t know the true meaning of the word
When I have had conversations with people who have called someone woke, it tends not to be so much about a topic, subject or event but more about how the person reacts or behaves to something. Over the top reactions, lost in in the battle to be progressive rather than discussing the issue in hand. That is what they are calling woke the behaviour traits.
It is simply a breakdown in communication that neither side will compromise or backdown from."imo the woke view tends to be have a broad lens. They butt horns with those who take a more lock view. That means the issue in hand is often different for different ppl. Eg: refugees. At the extremes some are looking at space in UK, culture or out taxes. The other end see a worldwide refugee crisis and are looking at how we play a part of that. And (one would hope) are more comfortable with feeling some pain for the greater good. Similar, is labour about helping the working man (disadvantaged via class) or all those at a disadvantage. | |||
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"Wondering if our fabbers can do better than this expert. On a subject she is supposed to know, and explain better than this. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-author-bethany-mandel-freezes-up-when-pressed-to-define-woke Being called woke is a compliment, people who use it as an insult are either thick or don’t know the true meaning of the word
When I have had conversations with people who have called someone woke, it tends not to be so much about a topic, subject or event but more about how the person reacts or behaves to something. Over the top reactions, lost in in the battle to be progressive rather than discussing the issue in hand. That is what they are calling woke the behaviour traits.
It is simply a breakdown in communication that neither side will compromise or backdown from.
I've tried to explain this to multiple people on these forums but they're more interested in calling people thick, racist or whatever other words they can use to dismiss anyone who uses the word.
It's shutdown 101."Yes, some people are very binary and will simply not see another point of view. | |||
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"For those banging on about "the true meaning of the word", get with the times grandparents! Words change their meanings all the time and some words have multiple meanings. "Bitching", "bomb", "dope", "killer", "sick", "wicked" etc all used to mean something bad. In the 21st century, they can also be used to refer to something good, so a complete 180. The word "set" currently has 430 meanings, and the word "run" is anticipated to have approximately 645 different meanings in the next Oxford English Dictionary, set for a 2037 release. The word "woke" clearly has more than one meaning, but some people will always take it to mean whatever they think is the most offensive and get outraged by it, because outrage is their default setting. It's just a word - nothing to be frightened of
Bess x"tbf we are talking about a word that was only really defined a few years ago. (Much the way once was termed by a lesbian irrc) However the issue is more than those who have tried to turn it haven't really worked out what they want it to mean. Other than "thing I don't like". Hence this thread. | |||
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"Wondering if our fabbers can do better than this expert. On a subject she is supposed to know, and explain better than this. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-author-bethany-mandel-freezes-up-when-pressed-to-define-woke Being called woke is a compliment, people who use it as an insult are either thick or don’t know the true meaning of the word
When I have had conversations with people who have called someone woke, it tends not to be so much about a topic, subject or event but more about how the person reacts or behaves to something. Over the top reactions, lost in in the battle to be progressive rather than discussing the issue in hand. That is what they are calling woke the behaviour traits.
It is simply a breakdown in communication that neither side will compromise or backdown from.
Whenever I've heard it used, as it's usually used on Fab, is by people who, if being kind, have old fashioned views, and who don't like being challenged.
It's the new "snowflake".
IE. It's not socially acceptable to be openly bigoted anymore, so these turn on people who are aware of social injustice, especially in the form of racism, in order to vent their confusion and anger at the world changing.
I can see that but I can also see those who take what they believe is the moral high ground and are simply right without question, and will shut down any form of discussion. They ironically show the same bigotry they resent though their actions of being entrenched in their own beliefs.
"Fair enough. I don't think there is an equivalent level of bigotry to express intolerance to those who are prejudice over nationality/ethnicity/religion/sexual orientation etc etc. And those who are intolerant of different nationalities/ethnicities/religiions/sexual orientations etc. Hence in my opinion, one side definitely has the moral higher ground. | |||
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"Wondering if our fabbers can do better than this expert. On a subject she is supposed to know, and explain better than this. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-author-bethany-mandel-freezes-up-when-pressed-to-define-woke Being called woke is a compliment, people who use it as an insult are either thick or don’t know the true meaning of the word
When I have had conversations with people who have called someone woke, it tends not to be so much about a topic, subject or event but more about how the person reacts or behaves to something. Over the top reactions, lost in in the battle to be progressive rather than discussing the issue in hand. That is what they are calling woke the behaviour traits.
It is simply a breakdown in communication that neither side will compromise or backdown from.
Whenever I've heard it used, as it's usually used on Fab, is by people who, if being kind, have old fashioned views, and who don't like being challenged.
It's the new "snowflake".
IE. It's not socially acceptable to be openly bigoted anymore, so these turn on people who are aware of social injustice, especially in the form of racism, in order to vent their confusion and anger at the world changing.
I can see that but I can also see those who take what they believe is the moral high ground and are simply right without question, and will shut down any form of discussion. They ironically show the same bigotry they resent though their actions of being entrenched in their own beliefs.
Fair enough.
I don't think there is an equivalent level of bigotry to express intolerance to those who are prejudice over nationality/ethnicity/religion/sexual orientation etc etc. And those who are intolerant of different nationalities/ethnicities/religiions/sexual orientations etc.
Hence in my opinion, one side definitely has the moral higher ground. "The things you mention such as race or religion are at times pulled into discussion to close the other person down. An example of this far too often seen in this part of the forum is small boat crossings. If someone challenges the legality, numbers or costs it won't be long before someone will try to infer that the person is racist or far right, when there has been no mention of race at all. That inference and twist of the discussion to a less than healthy place can be met with woke, which is met by bigot. The point I'm trying to make here and through my other posts, it is usually a tit of tat type exchange, a lot of the time when a person really has nothing left in the tank, and reverts to closing the other down. Of course you are right in terms of moral high ground, if a person is being racist as an example there is no place for that or the person. | |||
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"Wondering if our fabbers can do better than this expert. On a subject she is supposed to know, and explain better than this. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-author-bethany-mandel-freezes-up-when-pressed-to-define-woke Being called woke is a compliment, people who use it as an insult are either thick or don’t know the true meaning of the word
When I have had conversations with people who have called someone woke, it tends not to be so much about a topic, subject or event but more about how the person reacts or behaves to something. Over the top reactions, lost in in the battle to be progressive rather than discussing the issue in hand. That is what they are calling woke the behaviour traits.
It is simply a breakdown in communication that neither side will compromise or backdown from.
Whenever I've heard it used, as it's usually used on Fab, is by people who, if being kind, have old fashioned views, and who don't like being challenged.
It's the new "snowflake".
IE. It's not socially acceptable to be openly bigoted anymore, so these turn on people who are aware of social injustice, especially in the form of racism, in order to vent their confusion and anger at the world changing.
I can see that but I can also see those who take what they believe is the moral high ground and are simply right without question, and will shut down any form of discussion. They ironically show the same bigotry they resent though their actions of being entrenched in their own beliefs.
Fair enough.
I don't think there is an equivalent level of bigotry to express intolerance to those who are prejudice over nationality/ethnicity/religion/sexual orientation etc etc. And those who are intolerant of different nationalities/ethnicities/religiions/sexual orientations etc.
Hence in my opinion, one side definitely has the moral higher ground.
The things you mention such as race or religion are at times pulled into discussion to close the other person down. An example of this far too often seen in this part of the forum is small boat crossings. If someone challenges the legality, numbers or costs it won't be long before someone will try to infer that the person is racist or far right, when there has been no mention of race at all.
"Sure, they don't mention race, but once the cost and legality elements are debunked (and put into persective), all that remains is either the aforementioned prejudice or simply ignorance of swallowing the propaganda. " That inference and twist of the discussion to a less than healthy place can be met with woke, which is met by bigot. The point I'm trying to make here and through my other posts, it is usually a tit of tat type exchange, a lot of the time when a person really has nothing left in the tank, and reverts to closing the other down. Of course you are right in terms of moral high ground, if a person is being racist as an example there is no place for that or the person." I do agree with your point though. It would be better if someone (me included) would articulate their point without labelling. | |||
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"For those banging on about "the true meaning of the word", get with the times grandparents! Words change their meanings all the time and some words have multiple meanings. "Bitching", "bomb", "dope", "killer", "sick", "wicked" etc all used to mean something bad. In the 21st century, they can also be used to refer to something good, so a complete 180. The word "set" currently has 430 meanings, and the word "run" is anticipated to have approximately 645 different meanings in the next Oxford English Dictionary, set for a 2037 release. The word "woke" clearly has more than one meaning, but some people will always take it to mean whatever they think is the most offensive and get outraged by it, because outrage is their default setting. It's just a word - nothing to be frightened of
Bess x"What do you think ‘woke’ means ? I don’t get outraged or offended if I get called woke, I take it as a compliment | |||
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"Wondering if our fabbers can do better than this expert. On a subject she is supposed to know, and explain better than this. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-author-bethany-mandel-freezes-up-when-pressed-to-define-woke Being called woke is a compliment, people who use it as an insult are either thick or don’t know the true meaning of the word
When I have had conversations with people who have called someone woke, it tends not to be so much about a topic, subject or event but more about how the person reacts or behaves to something. Over the top reactions, lost in in the battle to be progressive rather than discussing the issue in hand. That is what they are calling woke the behaviour traits.
It is simply a breakdown in communication that neither side will compromise or backdown from.
I would have thought that people like that are on both sides of the political division. But the word only seems to be used by one side to call out this type of behaviour. So can you really describe it as that.
the way i see it, left leaning will call a right leaning person a bigot, and the right leaning person calls the left leaning person woke.
Stalemate "Are you saying woke means bigot. Or can it mean anything the person saying it means. The problem is the expert in the video was so dumbstruck when asked what woke meant. Seems she's been throwing the word around in her line of work without thinking what she was trying to say. Its the same on this thread, people don't seem to have any clear meaning or understanding of the word. But think its a throwaway word to use mingled in with others like tofu-eating. | |||
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From Senator Powell of the Florida State Senate:
'Signed into law in 2022 essentially prohibits instruction on race relations or diversity that imply a person’s status as either privileged or oppressed is necessarily determined by his or her race, color, national origin, or sex. The bill also bans both schools and workplaces from “subjecting any student or employee to training or instruction that espouses, promotes, advances, inculcates, or compels such individuals to believe specified concepts constitutes discrimination based on race, color, sex, or national origin.”'
Apparently, Rosa Parks race being the reason for being told to move seat on the bus cannot be mentioned.
“Rosa Parks showed courage. One day, she rode the bus. She was told to move to a different seat because of the color of her skin. She did not. She did what she believed was right.”
“Rosa Parks showed courage. One day, she rode the bus. She was told to move to a different seat. She did not. She did what she believed was right.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/20/florida-school-textbook-curriculum-review-satire/
"teachers in the state told the BBC that the changes have had a chilling effect, with many fearing they may break the law if they discuss the realities of US history.
WARNING: Contains graphic descriptions of racist abuse"
"they said, it was difficult to teach classes on sl@very and the civil rights movement without confronting the deeply rooted racism at the heart of the American experiment."
Perhaps that's the point?
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