FabSwingers.com forum: What is right or left?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Personally to me it comes down to individually making decisions. I am not a total team follower. Yet governments want to create division. So why hang on to one political agenda just because your team says it's correct?

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By *osaint1971Couple
over a year ago

Near Taunton

Right vs left is a false dichotomy. There are practically zero policy differences between tories and Labour, the difference is in the message they are trying to get across. Tories tell you they won't take your money but take it anyway and labour say they will take money from the rich only but take it from everyone. The real political difference is between the collectivist and the individualist. Collectivists want you to be subservient to "the greater good" and individualist want to be left alone. Of course this is a spectrum. I am very much in thr leave me alone camp.

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

Ah: "They're all the same". The tories would so much like you to believe that.

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By *entlemanFoxMan
over a year ago

North East / London

Blu,

I am not so sure that government wants division. More those not in power will claim how different and better they are than those power in their attempt to seek power.

What has changed is that is overlaid with with a communication network in the widest sense that profits from outrage and so breeds division as a route to profit.

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By *osaint1971Couple
over a year ago

Near Taunton

"Ah: "They're all the same". The tories would so much like you to believe that."

Name one radically different policy that Labour have

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Interesting how the UK folks on this thread so far immediately equate Labour with “left” and Conservatives with “right”.

I would say things are more blurred than that.

Labour under Blair became very centrist and then started moving centre-left under Brown. Under Milliband and then Corbyn it was pulled progressively more to the left but under Starmer it is again trying to hold the centre ground (for the most part, there are always policy outliers).

The Conservatives got hijacked by the ERG and infighting over Brexit and have been pulled progressively further right. Except they too have initiated some policy outliers that could easily be labelled “socialist” such as furlough and help for households.

So I do not think it is clear cut.

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By *osaint1971Couple
over a year ago

Near Taunton

This is modern Conservatism

"We're going to take money off you so you struggle to afford things and then give you money back to help afford the things our taxes make so expensive."

That's about as socialist as it gets.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Blu,

I am not so sure that government wants division. More those not in power will claim how different and better they are than those power in their attempt to seek power.

What has changed is that is overlaid with with a communication network in the widest sense that profits from outrage and so breeds division as a route to profit. "

Hard disagree

This government works very hard to sew division. Brexit is a prime example, using refugees as a prop to gain support is another.

The current government stokes culture wars hard as they know it works.

Not saying others don't do it. But I played specifically to address the point.

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