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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?"
I don't the details of labours current plans butt they have previously suggested processing sites near to hot spots. This reduces the volumes making it to France especially if it's clear than going there instead of local processing reduces the chance of being accepted as valid.

A France based site for the remainer reduces the value add of gangs.

And it's on Frances interest to reduce gangs in France. One can imagine they have other illegal arms to their criminal enterprise that touches on France.

Labour have also suggested how they would require different balnqces of evidence depending on what you are claiming you need asylum from and where. So an Albanian has to demonstrate religious persecution whereas an Iraqi may be taken more on face value. That feels sensible and proportional and likely to help processing times, which reduces housing issues.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?"

They are gifting the tories

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories "

And the tories are gifting the reform party

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan"

That was compared to the tories plan,

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear."

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'"

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?I don't the details of labours current plans butt they have previously suggested processing sites near to hot spots. This reduces the volumes making it to France especially if it's clear than going there instead of local processing reduces the chance of being accepted as valid.

A France based site for the remainer reduces the value add of gangs.

And it's on Frances interest to reduce gangs in France. One can imagine they have other illegal arms to their criminal enterprise that touches on France.

I'm in favour of processing sites near hot spots. I'm also in favour of evidence.

I'm still not sure why France would start trying now.

Where do we house them if hotels are off limits? That remains unanswered.

I still don't know what 'complete overhaul' means

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

I can’t improve on what he wrote,

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

I can’t improve on what he wrote,

Of course you can't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

I can’t improve on what he wrote,

Of course you can't

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

The no real opinion is probably because he has said he doesn’t see immigration / the numbers making the crossing as a problem in other posts, I guess it then becomes a policy choice for the least amount of change to the situation? It would be good to see some answers on this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?"

They have a fine line to walk. They have to try to win back voters who defected over "get brexit done", and also not alienate their voters who want a sensible approach.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They have a fine line to walk. They have to try to win back voters who defected over "get brexit done", and also not alienate their voters who want a sensible approach.

I agree, but they will never win over the hardline Brexit and anti immigrant sections of society, that is between the tories and The Reform party, thankfully , the number of these people are decreasing

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They have a fine line to walk. They have to try to win back voters who defected over "get brexit done", and also not alienate their voters who want a sensible approach.

So wishy washy policies is the best way forward? Isn't that just what we've had under the Tories?

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

Seeing £billions of tax payers money being spent on illegal boat crossings should in my opinion be something to be concerned about. You don’t have skin in the game as long as nothing changes, which is a strange place to be on such an important issue.

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By *lder funCouple
over a year ago

tottenham

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They have a fine line to walk. They have to try to win back voters who defected over "get brexit done", and also not alienate their voters who want a sensible approach.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

I do want things to change, I want the asylum process to improve, the tories told us 12 months ago that the Rwanda scheme was legal and there would be no problems deporting people? Why did they get it so badly wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They have a fine line to walk. They have to try to win back voters who defected over "get brexit done", and also not alienate their voters who want a sensible approach.

I hope not, but you have to remember these people tend to make a lot of noise

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong?

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?"

You won't stop the boats till the first person is sent back.

As I see it to stop the gangs you send a ship to France anyone can get on you process in French water if they are not in British Warter you can put them where you like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong? "

Because they haven’t sent anyone , they promised they would over a year ago, incompetence

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They have a fine line to walk. They have to try to win back voters who defected over "get brexit done", and also not alienate their voters who want a sensible approach.

So wishy washy policies is the best way forward? Isn't that just what we've had under the Tories?"

I didn't say it was the best way forward. It's not the best way forward, in my opinion.

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over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

You won't stop the boats till the first person is sent back.

As I see it to stop the gangs you send a ship to France anyone can get on you process in French water if they are not in British Warter you can put them where you like. "

That could work, it gives people safe passage , it would also mean that anyone who didn’t use this route is highly likely to be illegal .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

You won't stop the boats till the first person is sent back.

As I see it to stop the gangs you send a ship to France anyone can get on you process in French water if they are not in British Warter you can put them where you like.

That could work, it gives people safe passage , it would also mean that anyone who didn’t use this route is highly likely to be illegal .

Just no stopping you, we have a soap box if you want to borrow it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

You won't stop the boats till the first person is sent back.

As I see it to stop the gangs you send a ship to France anyone can get on you process in French water if they are not in British Warter you can put them where you like.

That could work, it gives people safe passage , it would also mean that anyone who didn’t use this route is highly likely to be illegal .

Just no stopping you, we have a soap box if you want to borrow it?"

Thanks for reading all my posts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

You won't stop the boats till the first person is sent back.

As I see it to stop the gangs you send a ship to France anyone can get on you process in French water if they are not in British Warter you can put them where you like.

That could work, it gives people safe passage , it would also mean that anyone who didn’t use this route is highly likely to be illegal .

Just no stopping you, we have a soap box if you want to borrow it?

Thanks for reading all my posts

Only read your posts when we can’t get to sleep,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

You won't stop the boats till the first person is sent back.

As I see it to stop the gangs you send a ship to France anyone can get on you process in French water if they are not in British Warter you can put them where you like.

That could work, it gives people safe passage , it would also mean that anyone who didn’t use this route is highly likely to be illegal .

Just no stopping you, we have a soap box if you want to borrow it?

Thanks for reading all my posts

Only read your posts when we can’t get to sleep,

But you still read them, thanks again

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

I'm glad we're talking about Labour's plan and not the Tories.

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over a year ago

"I'm glad we're talking about Labour's plan and not the Tories.

Thread hijacked again by the usual characters

Who was the first person to mention the tories??

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over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

A France based site for the remainer reduces the value add of gangs.

And it's on Frances interest to reduce gangs in France. One can imagine they have other illegal arms to their criminal enterprise that touches on France.

I'm in favour of processing sites near hot spots. I'm also in favour of evidence.

I'm still not sure why France would start trying now.

Where do we house them if hotels are off limits? That remains unanswered.

I still don't know what 'complete overhaul' means"
if you process at an offshore site, you don't need hotels. Probably need a sensible way of having a temporary site tho.

France are cooperating to an extent already. I'd suggest they'd be more open if we collaborated like adults rather than via rhetoric.

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over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

A France based site for the remainer reduces the value add of gangs.

And it's on Frances interest to reduce gangs in France. One can imagine they have other illegal arms to their criminal enterprise that touches on France.

I'm in favour of processing sites near hot spots. I'm also in favour of evidence.

I'm still not sure why France would start trying now.

Where do we house them if hotels are off limits? That remains unanswered.

I still don't know what 'complete overhaul' meansif you process at an offshore site, you don't need hotels. Probably need a sensible way of having a temporary site tho.

France are cooperating to an extent already. I'd suggest they'd be more open if we collaborated like adults rather than via rhetoric. "

True, Sunak seems to have a more friendly and grown up approach to dealing with our friends in the EU, I am sure he could arrange something with Macron

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

A France based site for the remainer reduces the value add of gangs.

And it's on Frances interest to reduce gangs in France. One can imagine they have other illegal arms to their criminal enterprise that touches on France.

I'm in favour of processing sites near hot spots. I'm also in favour of evidence.

I'm still not sure why France would start trying now.

Where do we house them if hotels are off limits? That remains unanswered.

I still don't know what 'complete overhaul' meansif you process at an offshore site, you don't need hotels. Probably need a sensible way of having a temporary site tho.

France are cooperating to an extent already. I'd suggest they'd be more open if we collaborated like adults rather than via rhetoric. "

We still need housing for the people accepted. Where do they go whilst awaiting housing?

France had years and years to cooperate whilst we were part of the EU. How many boats do you think they stopped?

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"I'm glad we're talking about Labour's plan and not the Tories.

Thread hijacked again by the usual characters

Who was the first person to mention the tories??

Bore off mate. You spend so much time moaning about deflection and you're the worst for it.

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over a year ago

"I'm glad we're talking about Labour's plan and not the Tories.

Thread hijacked again by the usual characters

Who was the first person to mention the tories??

Bore off mate. You spend so much time moaning about deflection and you're the worst for it."

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over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

A France based site for the remainer reduces the value add of gangs.

And it's on Frances interest to reduce gangs in France. One can imagine they have other illegal arms to their criminal enterprise that touches on France.

I'm in favour of processing sites near hot spots. I'm also in favour of evidence.

I'm still not sure why France would start trying now.

Where do we house them if hotels are off limits? That remains unanswered.

I still don't know what 'complete overhaul' meansif you process at an offshore site, you don't need hotels. Probably need a sensible way of having a temporary site tho.

France are cooperating to an extent already. I'd suggest they'd be more open if we collaborated like adults rather than via rhetoric.

We still need housing for the people accepted. Where do they go whilst awaiting housing?

France had years and years to cooperate whilst we were part of the EU. How many boats do you think they stopped?"
that number is likely to be smaller. Especially in the scheme of wider immigration. So we could make our workforce more productive, reduce reliance on outside skills, and use that capacity. But you are moving the goalposts slightly as I was answering about the hotels used while processing.

Let's not pretend that while we were part of the eu we behaved like a sensible party when it came to the channel. Brexit has made it worse. But it's never been good imo.

But I dont know. But under the above scheme it makes boat crossings have zero attraction. Do it's less relevant. They did support the Calais camps tho irrc so some precedence.

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

A France based site for the remainer reduces the value add of gangs.

And it's on Frances interest to reduce gangs in France. One can imagine they have other illegal arms to their criminal enterprise that touches on France.

I'm in favour of processing sites near hot spots. I'm also in favour of evidence.

I'm still not sure why France would start trying now.

Where do we house them if hotels are off limits? That remains unanswered.

I still don't know what 'complete overhaul' meansif you process at an offshore site, you don't need hotels. Probably need a sensible way of having a temporary site tho.

France are cooperating to an extent already. I'd suggest they'd be more open if we collaborated like adults rather than via rhetoric.

We still need housing for the people accepted. Where do they go whilst awaiting housing?

France had years and years to cooperate whilst we were part of the EU. How many boats do you think they stopped?that number is likely to be smaller. Especially in the scheme of wider immigration. So we could make our workforce more productive, reduce reliance on outside skills, and use that capacity. But you are moving the goalposts slightly as I was answering about the hotels used while processing.

Let's not pretend that while we were part of the eu we behaved like a sensible party when it came to the channel. Brexit has made it worse. But it's never been good imo.

But I dont know. But under the above scheme it makes boat crossings have zero attraction. Do it's less relevant. They did support the Calais camps tho irrc so some precedence. "

Tbh I'm struggling to understand the first paragraph.

Asylum seekers/refugees need housed, yes the number will be smaller but they still need housed, where do we house them, if not hotels?

I don't think anyone is pretending like we were angels, but do you think the French police stopped crossings?

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over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

A France based site for the remainer reduces the value add of gangs.

And it's on Frances interest to reduce gangs in France. One can imagine they have other illegal arms to their criminal enterprise that touches on France.

I'm in favour of processing sites near hot spots. I'm also in favour of evidence.

I'm still not sure why France would start trying now.

Where do we house them if hotels are off limits? That remains unanswered.

I still don't know what 'complete overhaul' meansif you process at an offshore site, you don't need hotels. Probably need a sensible way of having a temporary site tho.

France are cooperating to an extent already. I'd suggest they'd be more open if we collaborated like adults rather than via rhetoric.

We still need housing for the people accepted. Where do they go whilst awaiting housing?

Let's not pretend that while we were part of the eu we behaved like a sensible party when it came to the channel. Brexit has made it worse. But it's never been good imo.

But I dont know. But under the above scheme it makes boat crossings have zero attraction. Do it's less relevant. They did support the Calais camps tho irrc so some precedence.

Tbh I'm struggling to understand the first paragraph.

Asylum seekers/refugees need housed, yes the number will be smaller but they still need housed, where do we house them, if not hotels?

I don't think anyone is pretending like we were angels, but do you think the French police stopped crossings?"
where eoe we housing the 1m who immigrated in 2022? And the porobaly 1m next year.

On the scheme of things asylum seekers are small. Yes, it's something to solve. But not one of the bigger challenges we have when it comes to asylum. Nor when it comes to our approach to housing.

I suspect the French stopped some crossings. Indeed theres UK gov documents that say they stopped 42.5pc of people trying to cross in 2022. Our media report on the other half only. Go figure.

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

A France based site for the remainer reduces the value add of gangs.

And it's on Frances interest to reduce gangs in France. One can imagine they have other illegal arms to their criminal enterprise that touches on France.

I'm in favour of processing sites near hot spots. I'm also in favour of evidence.

I'm still not sure why France would start trying now.

Where do we house them if hotels are off limits? That remains unanswered.

I still don't know what 'complete overhaul' meansif you process at an offshore site, you don't need hotels. Probably need a sensible way of having a temporary site tho.

France are cooperating to an extent already. I'd suggest they'd be more open if we collaborated like adults rather than via rhetoric.

We still need housing for the people accepted. Where do they go whilst awaiting housing?

Let's not pretend that while we were part of the eu we behaved like a sensible party when it came to the channel. Brexit has made it worse. But it's never been good imo.

But I dont know. But under the above scheme it makes boat crossings have zero attraction. Do it's less relevant. They did support the Calais camps tho irrc so some precedence.

Tbh I'm struggling to understand the first paragraph.

Asylum seekers/refugees need housed, yes the number will be smaller but they still need housed, where do we house them, if not hotels?

I don't think anyone is pretending like we were angels, but do you think the French police stopped crossings?where eoe we housing the 1m who immigrated in 2022? And the porobaly 1m next year.

On the scheme of things asylum seekers are small. Yes, it's something to solve. But not one of the bigger challenges we have when it comes to asylum. Nor when it comes to our approach to housing.

I suspect the French stopped some crossings. Indeed theres UK gov documents that say they stopped 42.5pc of people trying to cross in 2022. Our media report on the other half only. Go figure.

I'd imagine most of that million who came here in 2022 sorted they're own accommodation, private rental sector I'd suspect. Refugees tend to have no money so wouldn't be able to access that sector.

Fair enough, the French police stopped some so won't argue on that point anymore as I accept its impossible to stop all.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong?

Because they haven’t sent anyone , they promised they would over a year ago, incompetence "

If they sent a person to Rwanda without having tested the legality of the policy you would be shouting from the rafters about Tory bullying and illegal policies. You can’t seem to find a middle ground that allows a more rounded view on this.

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over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

A France based site for the remainer reduces the value add of gangs.

And it's on Frances interest to reduce gangs in France. One can imagine they have other illegal arms to their criminal enterprise that touches on France.

I'm in favour of processing sites near hot spots. I'm also in favour of evidence.

I'm still not sure why France would start trying now.

Where do we house them if hotels are off limits? That remains unanswered.

I still don't know what 'complete overhaul' meansif you process at an offshore site, you don't need hotels. Probably need a sensible way of having a temporary site tho.

France are cooperating to an extent already. I'd suggest they'd be more open if we collaborated like adults rather than via rhetoric.

We still need housing for the people accepted. Where do they go whilst awaiting housing?

Let's not pretend that while we were part of the eu we behaved like a sensible party when it came to the channel. Brexit has made it worse. But it's never been good imo.

But I dont know. But under the above scheme it makes boat crossings have zero attraction. Do it's less relevant. They did support the Calais camps tho irrc so some precedence.

Tbh I'm struggling to understand the first paragraph.

Asylum seekers/refugees need housed, yes the number will be smaller but they still need housed, where do we house them, if not hotels?

I don't think anyone is pretending like we were angels, but do you think the French police stopped crossings?where eoe we housing the 1m who immigrated in 2022? And the porobaly 1m next year.

On the scheme of things asylum seekers are small. Yes, it's something to solve. But not one of the bigger challenges we have when it comes to asylum. Nor when it comes to our approach to housing.

I suspect the French stopped some crossings. Indeed theres UK gov documents that say they stopped 42.5pc of people trying to cross in 2022. Our media report on the other half only. Go figure.

I'd imagine most of that million who came here in 2022 sorted they're own accommodation, private rental sector I'd suspect. Refugees tend to have no money so wouldn't be able to access that sector.

Fair enough, the French police stopped some so won't argue on that point anymore as I accept its impossible to stop all."
ah, so it's cost rather than housing capacity that you're focussed on. There probably is sñs short term cost ...but there is no reason to think they can't become self sufficient over time.

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over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong?

Because they haven’t sent anyone , they promised they would over a year ago, incompetence

You’re missing the point, they said it was legal and they even had a plane ready to go, incompetence

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

A France based site for the remainer reduces the value add of gangs.

And it's on Frances interest to reduce gangs in France. One can imagine they have other illegal arms to their criminal enterprise that touches on France.

I'm in favour of processing sites near hot spots. I'm also in favour of evidence.

I'm still not sure why France would start trying now.

Where do we house them if hotels are off limits? That remains unanswered.

I still don't know what 'complete overhaul' meansif you process at an offshore site, you don't need hotels. Probably need a sensible way of having a temporary site tho.

France are cooperating to an extent already. I'd suggest they'd be more open if we collaborated like adults rather than via rhetoric.

We still need housing for the people accepted. Where do they go whilst awaiting housing?

Let's not pretend that while we were part of the eu we behaved like a sensible party when it came to the channel. Brexit has made it worse. But it's never been good imo.

But I dont know. But under the above scheme it makes boat crossings have zero attraction. Do it's less relevant. They did support the Calais camps tho irrc so some precedence.

Tbh I'm struggling to understand the first paragraph.

Asylum seekers/refugees need housed, yes the number will be smaller but they still need housed, where do we house them, if not hotels?

I don't think anyone is pretending like we were angels, but do you think the French police stopped crossings?where eoe we housing the 1m who immigrated in 2022? And the porobaly 1m next year.

On the scheme of things asylum seekers are small. Yes, it's something to solve. But not one of the bigger challenges we have when it comes to asylum. Nor when it comes to our approach to housing.

I suspect the French stopped some crossings. Indeed theres UK gov documents that say they stopped 42.5pc of people trying to cross in 2022. Our media report on the other half only. Go figure.

I'd imagine most of that million who came here in 2022 sorted they're own accommodation, private rental sector I'd suspect. Refugees tend to have no money so wouldn't be able to access that sector.

Fair enough, the French police stopped some so won't argue on that point anymore as I accept its impossible to stop all.ah, so it's cost rather than housing capacity that you're focussed on. There probably is sñs short term cost ...but there is no reason to think they can't become self sufficient over time. "

I'm not focused on the cost. If we housed them in the private sector that's a solution, I'm not sure the private sector would go for though, its also not one which you offered

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over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong?

Because they haven’t sent anyone , they promised they would over a year ago, incompetence

You’re missing the point, they said it was legal and they even had a plane ready to go, incompetence "

12 months ago

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong?

Because they haven’t sent anyone , they promised they would over a year ago, incompetence

You’re missing the point, they said it was legal and they even had a plane ready to go, incompetence "

I’m afraid you’re wrong… it has not been proven illegal, it has been proven to be legal.

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over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong?

Because they haven’t sent anyone , they promised they would over a year ago, incompetence

You’re missing the point, they said it was legal and they even had a plane ready to go, incompetence

12 months ago

They’re testing the legality, I thought you would be happy about that.

Let me change the question for a moment, you don’t see immigration and illegal crossings in small boats a problem. Why? And what would be your happy ever after?

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over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong?

Because they haven’t sent anyone , they promised they would over a year ago, incompetence

You’re missing the point, they said it was legal and they even had a plane ready to go, incompetence

I’m afraid you’re wrong… it has not been proven illegal, it has been proven to be legal."

Then why haven’t they sent anyone? Why did they have a plane ready to go?

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over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

A France based site for the remainer reduces the value add of gangs.

And it's on Frances interest to reduce gangs in France. One can imagine they have other illegal arms to their criminal enterprise that touches on France.

I'm in favour of processing sites near hot spots. I'm also in favour of evidence.

I'm still not sure why France would start trying now.

Where do we house them if hotels are off limits? That remains unanswered.

I still don't know what 'complete overhaul' meansif you process at an offshore site, you don't need hotels. Probably need a sensible way of having a temporary site tho.

France are cooperating to an extent already. I'd suggest they'd be more open if we collaborated like adults rather than via rhetoric.

We still need housing for the people accepted. Where do they go whilst awaiting housing?

Let's not pretend that while we were part of the eu we behaved like a sensible party when it came to the channel. Brexit has made it worse. But it's never been good imo.

But I dont know. But under the above scheme it makes boat crossings have zero attraction. Do it's less relevant. They did support the Calais camps tho irrc so some precedence.

Tbh I'm struggling to understand the first paragraph.

Asylum seekers/refugees need housed, yes the number will be smaller but they still need housed, where do we house them, if not hotels?

I don't think anyone is pretending like we were angels, but do you think the French police stopped crossings?where eoe we housing the 1m who immigrated in 2022? And the porobaly 1m next year.

On the scheme of things asylum seekers are small. Yes, it's something to solve. But not one of the bigger challenges we have when it comes to asylum. Nor when it comes to our approach to housing.

I suspect the French stopped some crossings. Indeed theres UK gov documents that say they stopped 42.5pc of people trying to cross in 2022. Our media report on the other half only. Go figure.

I'd imagine most of that million who came here in 2022 sorted they're own accommodation, private rental sector I'd suspect. Refugees tend to have no money so wouldn't be able to access that sector.

I'm not focused on the cost. If we housed them in the private sector that's a solution, I'm not sure the private sector would go for though, its also not one which you offered "
TBF i thought you were talking about the hotels for processing. And also, I'm answering in a swingers forum !

According to the red cross, once asylum is granted they can no longer stay in asylum accomodation. They need to go probate or ask the government for help. They may need more help than others. I have no idea if hotels are used for this or the current social housing.

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By *astandFeisty OP Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

A France based site for the remainer reduces the value add of gangs.

And it's on Frances interest to reduce gangs in France. One can imagine they have other illegal arms to their criminal enterprise that touches on France.

I'm in favour of processing sites near hot spots. I'm also in favour of evidence.

I'm still not sure why France would start trying now.

Where do we house them if hotels are off limits? That remains unanswered.

I still don't know what 'complete overhaul' meansif you process at an offshore site, you don't need hotels. Probably need a sensible way of having a temporary site tho.

France are cooperating to an extent already. I'd suggest they'd be more open if we collaborated like adults rather than via rhetoric.

We still need housing for the people accepted. Where do they go whilst awaiting housing?

Let's not pretend that while we were part of the eu we behaved like a sensible party when it came to the channel. Brexit has made it worse. But it's never been good imo.

But I dont know. But under the above scheme it makes boat crossings have zero attraction. Do it's less relevant. They did support the Calais camps tho irrc so some precedence.

Tbh I'm struggling to understand the first paragraph.

Asylum seekers/refugees need housed, yes the number will be smaller but they still need housed, where do we house them, if not hotels?

I don't think anyone is pretending like we were angels, but do you think the French police stopped crossings?where eoe we housing the 1m who immigrated in 2022? And the porobaly 1m next year.

On the scheme of things asylum seekers are small. Yes, it's something to solve. But not one of the bigger challenges we have when it comes to asylum. Nor when it comes to our approach to housing.

I suspect the French stopped some crossings. Indeed theres UK gov documents that say they stopped 42.5pc of people trying to cross in 2022. Our media report on the other half only. Go figure.

I'd imagine most of that million who came here in 2022 sorted they're own accommodation, private rental sector I'd suspect. Refugees tend to have no money so wouldn't be able to access that sector.

I'm not focused on the cost. If we housed them in the private sector that's a solution, I'm not sure the private sector would go for though, its also not one which you offered TBF i thought you were talking about the hotels for processing. And also, I'm answering in a swingers forum !

Tbh, I was talking about asylum seekers but the labour plan does open it up to the wider issue of housing.

I honestly don't know what happens with housing once processed and granted either. I would imagine they could be housed in different hotels/b&b like some British citizens

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong?

Because they haven’t sent anyone , they promised they would over a year ago, incompetence

You’re missing the point, they said it was legal and they even had a plane ready to go, incompetence

I’m afraid you’re wrong… it has not been proven illegal, it has been proven to be legal.

Then why haven’t they sent anyone? Why did they have a plane ready to go? "

As I’ve mentioned before they’re are testing the legality, they know they will be challenged at every step, if they send people now and at any point in the process it is deemed illegal they will be in a position of bringing them back. This is how things work, slow and tested.

I’ve answered you now let’s hear your answer to my questions

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over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong?

Because they haven’t sent anyone , they promised they would over a year ago, incompetence

You’re missing the point, they said it was legal and they even had a plane ready to go, incompetence

I’m afraid you’re wrong… it has not been proven illegal, it has been proven to be legal.

Then why haven’t they sent anyone? Why did they have a plane ready to go?

I’ve answered you now let’s hear your answer to my questions "

Fair enough, so basically they chartered a plane knowing that it couldn’t be used to deport people to Rwanda? Incompetence

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong?

Because they haven’t sent anyone , they promised they would over a year ago, incompetence

You’re missing the point, they said it was legal and they even had a plane ready to go, incompetence

I’m afraid you’re wrong… it has not been proven illegal, it has been proven to be legal.

Then why haven’t they sent anyone? Why did they have a plane ready to go?

I’ve answered you now let’s hear your answer to my questions

Fair enough, so basically they chartered a plane knowing that it couldn’t be used to deport people to Rwanda? Incompetence

You do epitomise the very problem being discussed in the OP, lack of information or any real detail other than one liners

I would love to hear the reason immigration and illegal crossings are not a problem, along with costs, it could spark engagement but the number of times you’ve been asked to provide something we can discuss and failed to do so leaves us with nothing. That’s a shame

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong?

Because they haven’t sent anyone , they promised they would over a year ago, incompetence

You’re missing the point, they said it was legal and they even had a plane ready to go, incompetence

I’m afraid you’re wrong… it has not been proven illegal, it has been proven to be legal.

Then why haven’t they sent anyone? Why did they have a plane ready to go?

I’ve answered you now let’s hear your answer to my questions

Fair enough, so basically they chartered a plane knowing that it couldn’t be used to deport people to Rwanda? Incompetence

You do epitomise the very problem being discussed in the OP, lack of information or any real detail other than one liners

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong?

Because they haven’t sent anyone , they promised they would over a year ago, incompetence

You’re missing the point, they said it was legal and they even had a plane ready to go, incompetence

I’m afraid you’re wrong… it has not been proven illegal, it has been proven to be legal.

Then why haven’t they sent anyone? Why did they have a plane ready to go?

I’ve answered you now let’s hear your answer to my questions

Fair enough, so basically they chartered a plane knowing that it couldn’t be used to deport people to Rwanda? Incompetence

You do epitomise the very problem being discussed in the OP, lack of information or any real detail other than one liners

Braverman , in a letter to MPs has stated that there is a ‘more than 50% chance’ that it is incompatible with ECHR? Why can’t they find a solution that is 100% certain to be compatible with the ECHR? Why do they have to keep ‘testing the limits’ ?? "
cynic say Tories want out for echr for *reasons* ... And this will give them public support. We'd happily cut out nose off for certain topics ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong?

Because they haven’t sent anyone , they promised they would over a year ago, incompetence

You’re missing the point, they said it was legal and they even had a plane ready to go, incompetence

I’m afraid you’re wrong… it has not been proven illegal, it has been proven to be legal.

Then why haven’t they sent anyone? Why did they have a plane ready to go?

I’ve answered you now let’s hear your answer to my questions

Fair enough, so basically they chartered a plane knowing that it couldn’t be used to deport people to Rwanda? Incompetence

You do epitomise the very problem being discussed in the OP, lack of information or any real detail other than one liners

Braverman , in a letter to MPs has stated that there is a ‘more than 50% chance’ that it is incompatible with ECHR? Why can’t they find a solution that is 100% certain to be compatible with the ECHR? Why do they have to keep ‘testing the limits’ ?? cynic say Tories want out for echr for *reasons* ... And this will give them public support. We'd happily cut out nose off for certain topics ..."

Leaving the ECHR would be a massive mistake , especially over this issue

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over a year ago

"Cross boarder police unit - why would the French police suddenly want to work with us?

Go after the gangs - we have no jurisdiction in France.

A complete overhaul - what does that mean?

End hotel use - where else should they stay?

This is very very light on detail so how do they expect the electorate to get behind it?

They are gifting the tories

And the tories are gifting the reform party

Who the Tories are gifting doesn't matter, this thread is about Labour's plan

That was compared to the tories plan,

We're not comparing the Tory plan to the Reform plan.

This thread is about Labour's plan. It's quite clear.

Then why don’t you take issue with the poster who mentioned the tories?

He said Labour were gifting the Tories. Do you need it spelt out for you.

I do notice you don't have much to say on the actual topic

Have I broken any forum rules? Anyway, the second poster put it better than I could, you should read his post

Did I say you broke rules?

Come on, give us your view on it seeing as you support 'the plan'

It is a better plan than the alternative (tories) , read Hovis post, I agree with everything he wrote

No opinion of your own then? Not much round here is new, is it

True, I don’t see at as a big problem, but I think labours plan is better than the tories, bare in mind they promised us a year ago that Rwanda scheme would work , it didn’t .

It is being challenged through the courts, when it has got to a point that proves it either is legal or not, then you can say it has worked or not.

This is always going to be the course these policies take.

How have they got Rwanda wrong?

Because they haven’t sent anyone , they promised they would over a year ago, incompetence

You’re missing the point, they said it was legal and they even had a plane ready to go, incompetence

I’m afraid you’re wrong… it has not been proven illegal, it has been proven to be legal.

Then why haven’t they sent anyone? Why did they have a plane ready to go?

I’ve answered you now let’s hear your answer to my questions

Fair enough, so basically they chartered a plane knowing that it couldn’t be used to deport people to Rwanda? Incompetence

You do epitomise the very problem being discussed in the OP, lack of information or any real detail other than one liners

Braverman , in a letter to MPs has stated that there is a ‘more than 50% chance’ that it is incompatible with ECHR? Why can’t they find a solution that is 100% certain to be compatible with the ECHR? Why do they have to keep ‘testing the limits’ ?? cynic say Tories want out for echr for *reasons* ... And this will give them public support. We'd happily cut out nose off for certain topics ...

Leaving the ECHR would be a massive mistake , especially over this issue "
agree.

I suspect many others won't because they will only be shown the echr getting in the way, not protecting.