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"Reports that the murderer Wayne Cousins went to a McDonalds drive thru and exposed himself and the restaurant had his numberplate on camera but nobody from the police 'service'contacted the victim... Meanwhile the chief of police sends men to record a hate incident when a 14 year old boy wth autism allegedly drops a book at school. What's going on guys. It's all over the news " Vultures always go for the easy meat and they do it with their eyes closed.  | |||
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"Both those incidents should have been investigated by the police. " One was...one wasn't.. Guess which one they ignored | |||
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"Reports that the murderer Wayne Cousins went to a McDonalds drive thru and exposed himself and the restaurant had his numberplate on camera but nobody from the police 'service'contacted the victim... Meanwhile the chief of police sends men to record a hate incident when a 14 year old boy wth autism allegedly drops a book at school. What's going on guys. It's all over the news " wasn't the quran story because of the following death threats ? That feels on a par with indecent exposure. Rather than the glib take you have taken. Apols in advanced if they really did come out for a dropped book. | |||
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"Reports that the murderer Wayne Cousins went to a McDonalds drive thru and exposed himself and the restaurant had his numberplate on camera but nobody from the police 'service'contacted the victim... Meanwhile the chief of police sends men to record a hate incident when a 14 year old boy wth autism allegedly drops a book at school. What's going on guys. It's all over the news " I'm not sure that the 2 incidents are comparable. Of course the Met should have investigated Couzins. And the consequences of not doing so turned out to be catastrophic. But they should have investigated the incident with the Quaran too. | |||
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"Reports that the murderer Wayne Cousins went to a McDonalds drive thru and exposed himself and the restaurant had his numberplate on camera but nobody from the police 'service'contacted the victim... Meanwhile the chief of police sends men to record a hate incident when a 14 year old boy wth autism allegedly drops a book at school. What's going on guys. It's all over the news wasn't the quran story because of the following death threats ? That feels on a par with indecent exposure. Rather than the glib take you have taken. Apols in advanced if they really did come out for a dropped book. " He brought it having lost a beyt, no one knows what the intentions were, it has been defaced (potentially accidentally) but the rumours were a lot worse than the truth. The whole story is a bit weird and I suspect that the intentions may be known to the police. I feel sorry for the kid but the anger should be at his friends who put him in that situation not the police or school or the Muslim community who have worked hard to calm the whole situation down | |||
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"And those poor kids in Cardiff that were dead in the car for nearly 48hrs... Horrific " I'm not blaming that one on the police. They all had their phones turned off, they had travelled 30 miles west of Cardiff when they were last located and found 20 miles from there. The families who are criticising the police also drove past the scene as did hundreds of other people. Not sure what else the police could have done. | |||
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"And those poor kids in Cardiff that were dead in the car for nearly 48hrs... Horrific I'm not blaming that one on the police. They all had their phones turned off, they had travelled 30 miles west of Cardiff when they were last located and found 20 miles from there. The families who are criticising the police also drove past the scene as did hundreds of other people. Not sure what else the police could have done. " Did the chopper or drones go up? | |||
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"And those poor kids in Cardiff that were dead in the car for nearly 48hrs... Horrific I'm not blaming that one on the police. They all had their phones turned off, they had travelled 30 miles west of Cardiff when they were last located and found 20 miles from there. The families who are criticising the police also drove past the scene as did hundreds of other people. Not sure what else the police could have done. Did the chopper or drones go up? " I've no idea bit where would you tell them to search? It's quite obvious from what was announced that the last timevany of their phones pinged a mobile mast was when they were at a caravan park 30 miles from where they had gone out and about 20 miles from where they were found. I've also read that they didn't ping any ANPR cameras so how on earth would the police have known where to search? The reality is that the aerial shots of the scene make it clear excess speed is the issue here. And that's quite obvious from where they left the road, where they were found and the lack of overly visible exit marks where they left the road which would have alerted people much earlier. The police aren't to blame for not finding a car that they had no idea where it was. | |||
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"I wonder how much policing experience the posters above have. It seems to be a lot given the amount of knowledge being imparted. "Worked for the Police as a Comms Officer, so we had to know what was happening at all times. Someone above said "Police only go after crimes they know they'll get a conviction for" not knowing that it's the Crown Prosecution Service that decides whether a case goes to court or not. Seen many an officer p*ssed off because the CPS didn't think they'd secure a conviction despite the overwhelming amount of evidence. | |||
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"In regards to the case in Cardiff over the weekend the last sighting was 2am and it's about 5 miles away from the wreckage. After 24 hours the parents went to the police who refused to treat it as missing persons, at one point they told the parents to stop annoying them (words to that effect). The community got together and sent searches out and ot was a family friend who found them. This is why the police are investigating Gwent police." A missing person being found dead always generates an automatic referral to Professional Standards. That's standard practice across all forces | |||
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"In regards to the case in Cardiff over the weekend the last sighting was 2am and it's about 5 miles away from the wreckage. After 24 hours the parents went to the police who refused to treat it as missing persons, at one point they told the parents to stop annoying them (words to that effect). The community got together and sent searches out and ot was a family friend who found them. This is why the police are investigating Gwent police. A missing person being found dead always generates an automatic referral to Professional Standards. That's standard practice across all forces " Oh ok wasn't aware of that | |||
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"In regards to the case in Cardiff over the weekend the last sighting was 2am and it's about 5 miles away from the wreckage. After 24 hours the parents went to the police who refused to treat it as missing persons, at one point they told the parents to stop annoying them (words to that effect). The community got together and sent searches out and ot was a family friend who found them. This is why the police are investigating Gwent police. A missing person being found dead always generates an automatic referral to Professional Standards. That's standard practice across all forces Oh ok wasn't aware of that " The local MP says they are investigating due to complaints against the police force, even an ex Met police officer has said they got it wrong. The story with the facts I've read is on BBC Wales news app but I imagine the website is the same. | |||
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"In regards to the case in Cardiff over the weekend the last sighting was 2am and it's about 5 miles away from the wreckage. After 24 hours the parents went to the police who refused to treat it as missing persons, at one point they told the parents to stop annoying them (words to that effect). The community got together and sent searches out and ot was a family friend who found them. This is why the police are investigating Gwent police. A missing person being found dead always generates an automatic referral to Professional Standards. That's standard practice across all forces Oh ok wasn't aware of that The local MP says they are investigating due to complaints against the police force, even an ex Met police officer has said they got it wrong. The story with the facts I've read is on BBC Wales news app but I imagine the website is the same." There may be complaints about it but the investigation would be happening regardless to see what could have been done differently and if there were failings. On face value, while unusual they would have almost certainly been treated as low or at best medium risk. And that clearly reflects the police activity. A common problem with missing person investigations is that the people reporting will consider the individual low risk (do you think they've self harmed? No. Do you think they have been victim of crime? No. Are they vulnerable? No. In this specific case, are they alone? No) yet they expect the police to treat as high risk and get angry when they won't. There's a very obvious likely reasons why 5 20somethings drove to a caravan park after a night clubbing and the police prognosis thatvthey were partying/sleeping off is a valid hypothesis fir a low risk missing person | |||
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"These buggers should be disbanded and start again.... " Yes, police are recruited from the society that made them. They should stop that shit right away. | |||
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"In regards to the case in Cardiff over the weekend the last sighting was 2am and it's about 5 miles away from the wreckage. After 24 hours the parents went to the police who refused to treat it as missing persons, at one point they told the parents to stop annoying them (words to that effect). The community got together and sent searches out and ot was a family friend who found them. This is why the police are investigating Gwent police." I'm not sure and happy to be corrected but the police don't class people as missing after 24 hours unless the person's involved are classed as vulnerable and have previously gone missing.. It's a sad case for the families.. | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out "exactly if they can make money out of it  | |||
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"Police prime objective is to find a nice place to eat McDonald’s or a chippy , they are the criminals "
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it "What money do they make out of it? | |||
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"In regards to the case in Cardiff over the weekend the last sighting was 2am and it's about 5 miles away from the wreckage. After 24 hours the parents went to the police who refused to treat it as missing persons, at one point they told the parents to stop annoying them (words to that effect). The community got together and sent searches out and ot was a family friend who found them. This is why the police are investigating Gwent police. A missing person being found dead always generates an automatic referral to Professional Standards. That's standard practice across all forces Oh ok wasn't aware of that The local MP says they are investigating due to complaints against the police force, even an ex Met police officer has said they got it wrong. The story with the facts I've read is on BBC Wales news app but I imagine the website is the same. There may be complaints about it but the investigation would be happening regardless to see what could have been done differently and if there were failings. On face value, while unusual they would have almost certainly been treated as low or at best medium risk. And that clearly reflects the police activity. A common problem with missing person investigations is that the people reporting will consider the individual low risk (do you think they've self harmed? No. Do you think they have been victim of crime? No. Are they vulnerable? No. In this specific case, are they alone? No) yet they expect the police to treat as high risk and get angry when they won't. There's a very obvious likely reasons why 5 20somethings drove to a caravan park after a night clubbing and the police prognosis thatvthey were partying/sleeping off is a valid hypothesis fir a low risk missing person" What is the obvious reason? Do you mean drink or drugs? Unfortunately for Gwent police it is another investigation into them, along with some high profile ones over very recent years. | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it
What money do they make out of it?"There is an element of truth in this. They make nothing out of things like minor vehicle defects. In fact, even though the offence is absolute, you get 14 days to get it fixed, and you won't be prosecuted. Seems fair. Speeding is the big one. People think they make money out of speeding. They don't. Fines go to the Fund of the Exchequer, i.e. .gov. They can recover costs for giving speed awareness courses, but as that's also an alternative to prosecution, still fair. However, as provinicial forces are now run by PCCs (read politicians), not Chief Constables, they favour generating money for .gov. My force is increasing it's fleet of 4 speed detector vans to 10 on the grounds of road safety, but everyone knows it's to raise money for .gov. These units are not staffed by police officers, but by civilian support staff. | |||
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"In regards to the case in Cardiff over the weekend the last sighting was 2am and it's about 5 miles away from the wreckage. After 24 hours the parents went to the police who refused to treat it as missing persons, at one point they told the parents to stop annoying them (words to that effect). The community got together and sent searches out and ot was a family friend who found them. This is why the police are investigating Gwent police. A missing person being found dead always generates an automatic referral to Professional Standards. That's standard practice across all forces Oh ok wasn't aware of that The local MP says they are investigating due to complaints against the police force, even an ex Met police officer has said they got it wrong. The story with the facts I've read is on BBC Wales news app but I imagine the website is the same. There may be complaints about it but the investigation would be happening regardless to see what could have been done differently and if there were failings. On face value, while unusual they would have almost certainly been treated as low or at best medium risk. And that clearly reflects the police activity. A common problem with missing person investigations is that the people reporting will consider the individual low risk (do you think they've self harmed? No. Do you think they have been victim of crime? No. Are they vulnerable? No. In this specific case, are they alone? No) yet they expect the police to treat as high risk and get angry when they won't. There's a very obvious likely reasons why 5 20somethings drove to a caravan park after a night clubbing and the police prognosis thatvthey were partying/sleeping off is a valid hypothesis fir a low risk missing person What is the obvious reason? Do you mean drink or drugs? Unfortunately for Gwent police it is another investigation into them, along with some high profile ones over very recent years. " I mean driving 30 miles out of town before heading back where you came from suggests they weren't planning on calling it a night any time soon. Beyond that I'm not suggesting anything | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it
What money do they make out of it?
There is an element of truth in this. They make nothing out of things like minor vehicle defects. In fact, even though the offence is absolute, you get 14 days to get it fixed, and you won't be prosecuted. Seems fair.
Speeding is the big one. People think they make money out of speeding. They don't. Fines go to the Fund of the Exchequer, i.e. .gov. They can recover costs for giving speed awareness courses, but as that's also an alternative to prosecution, still fair.
However, as provinicial forces are now run by PCCs (read politicians), not Chief Constables, they favour generating money for .gov. My force is increasing it's fleet of 4 speed detector vans to 10 on the grounds of road safety, but everyone knows it's to raise money for .gov. These units are not staffed by police officers, but by civilian support staff.
"I mean the 1500+ annual fatalities and the 25000+ serious life changing injuries a year caused by motorists would suggest that road safety should be a priority? | |||
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"These buggers should be disbanded and start again.... " Veering dangerously close to "Defund the police" territory there, Tom. You want to be careful people don't mistake you for one of those pesky woke lefty types...  | |||
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"In regards to the case in Cardiff over the weekend the last sighting was 2am and it's about 5 miles away from the wreckage. After 24 hours the parents went to the police who refused to treat it as missing persons, at one point they told the parents to stop annoying them (words to that effect). The community got together and sent searches out and ot was a family friend who found them. This is why the police are investigating Gwent police. A missing person being found dead always generates an automatic referral to Professional Standards. That's standard practice across all forces Oh ok wasn't aware of that The local MP says they are investigating due to complaints against the police force, even an ex Met police officer has said they got it wrong. The story with the facts I've read is on BBC Wales news app but I imagine the website is the same. There may be complaints about it but the investigation would be happening regardless to see what could have been done differently and if there were failings. On face value, while unusual they would have almost certainly been treated as low or at best medium risk. And that clearly reflects the police activity. A common problem with missing person investigations is that the people reporting will consider the individual low risk (do you think they've self harmed? No. Do you think they have been victim of crime? No. Are they vulnerable? No. In this specific case, are they alone? No) yet they expect the police to treat as high risk and get angry when they won't. There's a very obvious likely reasons why 5 20somethings drove to a caravan park after a night clubbing and the police prognosis thatvthey were partying/sleeping off is a valid hypothesis fir a low risk missing person What is the obvious reason? Do you mean drink or drugs? Unfortunately for Gwent police it is another investigation into them, along with some high profile ones over very recent years. I mean driving 30 miles out of town before heading back where you came from suggests they weren't planning on calling it a night any time soon. Beyond that I'm not suggesting anything" Oh ok, again. Nevermind | |||
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"These buggers should be disbanded and start again.... Veering dangerously close to "Defund the police" territory there, Tom. You want to be careful people don't mistake you for one of those pesky woke lefty types... "A root and branch reform is needed... | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it
What money do they make out of it?"Traffic police make money in fines and procecutions oh and seizing vehicles etc | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it
What money do they make out of it?Traffic police make money in fines and procecutions oh and seizing vehicles etc "Do they? Where exactly does the money go? | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it
What money do they make out of it?
There is an element of truth in this. They make nothing out of things like minor vehicle defects. In fact, even though the offence is absolute, you get 14 days to get it fixed, and you won't be prosecuted. Seems fair.
Speeding is the big one. People think they make money out of speeding. They don't. Fines go to the Fund of the Exchequer, i.e. .gov. They can recover costs for giving speed awareness courses, but as that's also an alternative to prosecution, still fair.
However, as provinicial forces are now run by PCCs (read politicians), not Chief Constables, they favour generating money for .gov. My force is increasing it's fleet of 4 speed detector vans to 10 on the grounds of road safety, but everyone knows it's to raise money for .gov. These units are not staffed by police officers, but by civilian support staff.
I mean the 1500+ annual fatalities and the 25000+ serious life changing injuries a year caused by motorists would suggest that road safety should be a priority?
"It might have more meaning if they sited the vans at accident hot spots rather than where they know people speed inadvertently, but has no or little accident history. | |||
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"These buggers should be disbanded and start again.... " Worked out well in Iraq, when the Americans sacked all the police and started again. | |||
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"Tom is not that old but he remembers when every village had a local bobby on a bicycle. Bring back those days " You will be wanting gas lit street lamps next... | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it
What money do they make out of it?
There is an element of truth in this. They make nothing out of things like minor vehicle defects. In fact, even though the offence is absolute, you get 14 days to get it fixed, and you won't be prosecuted. Seems fair.
Speeding is the big one. People think they make money out of speeding. They don't. Fines go to the Fund of the Exchequer, i.e. .gov. They can recover costs for giving speed awareness courses, but as that's also an alternative to prosecution, still fair.
However, as provinicial forces are now run by PCCs (read politicians), not Chief Constables, they favour generating money for .gov. My force is increasing it's fleet of 4 speed detector vans to 10 on the grounds of road safety, but everyone knows it's to raise money for .gov. These units are not staffed by police officers, but by civilian support staff.
I mean the 1500+ annual fatalities and the 25000+ serious life changing injuries a year caused by motorists would suggest that road safety should be a priority?
It might have more meaning if they sited the vans at accident hot spots rather than where they know people speed inadvertently, but has no or little accident history."I think anything that reminds people that they shouldn't "speed inadvertently" is surely a mood thing for road safety? Also if you have a road where "they know people speed inadvertently" thanbthere is a clear danger to vulnerable road users? | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it
What money do they make out of it?Traffic police make money in fines and procecutions oh and seizing vehicles etc
Do they?
Where exactly does the money go?"straight in their coffers | |||
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"Tom is not that old but he remembers when every village had a local bobby on a bicycle. Bring back those days You will be wanting gas lit street lamps next..." Let's be clear. Tom is no fan of cycling but one iconic image is of a plump red faced officer cycling through the village... The worst police invention was the panda car and abolishing the 6 ft rule. | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it
What money do they make out of it?Traffic police make money in fines and procecutions oh and seizing vehicles etc
Do they?
Where exactly does the money go?straight in their coffers "It really doesn't | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it
What money do they make out of it?
There is an element of truth in this. They make nothing out of things like minor vehicle defects. In fact, even though the offence is absolute, you get 14 days to get it fixed, and you won't be prosecuted. Seems fair.
Speeding is the big one. People think they make money out of speeding. They don't. Fines go to the Fund of the Exchequer, i.e. .gov. They can recover costs for giving speed awareness courses, but as that's also an alternative to prosecution, still fair.
However, as provinicial forces are now run by PCCs (read politicians), not Chief Constables, they favour generating money for .gov. My force is increasing it's fleet of 4 speed detector vans to 10 on the grounds of road safety, but everyone knows it's to raise money for .gov. These units are not staffed by police officers, but by civilian support staff.
I mean the 1500+ annual fatalities and the 25000+ serious life changing injuries a year caused by motorists would suggest that road safety should be a priority?
It might have more meaning if they sited the vans at accident hot spots rather than where they know people speed inadvertently, but has no or little accident history."This exactly !! Most places they seem to set them up are where they have caught people in the past not where accidents have happened? A favourite by me is an up hill road away from traffic lights so just trying to pick up speed can push you over the 30 limit ( not in housing) where as it doesn’t catch those overtaking going down hill ? | |||
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"Tom is not that old but he remembers when every village had a local bobby on a bicycle. Bring back those days You will be wanting gas lit street lamps next... Let's be clear. Tom is no fan of cycling but one iconic image is of a plump red faced officer cycling through the village... The worst police invention was the panda car and abolishing the 6 ft rule. " Tom is no fan, but needs a fan to cool down. Reading all the news gets him too hot under the collar. | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it
What money do they make out of it?
There is an element of truth in this. They make nothing out of things like minor vehicle defects. In fact, even though the offence is absolute, you get 14 days to get it fixed, and you won't be prosecuted. Seems fair.
Speeding is the big one. People think they make money out of speeding. They don't. Fines go to the Fund of the Exchequer, i.e. .gov. They can recover costs for giving speed awareness courses, but as that's also an alternative to prosecution, still fair.
However, as provinicial forces are now run by PCCs (read politicians), not Chief Constables, they favour generating money for .gov. My force is increasing it's fleet of 4 speed detector vans to 10 on the grounds of road safety, but everyone knows it's to raise money for .gov. These units are not staffed by police officers, but by civilian support staff.
I mean the 1500+ annual fatalities and the 25000+ serious life changing injuries a year caused by motorists would suggest that road safety should be a priority?
It might have more meaning if they sited the vans at accident hot spots rather than where they know people speed inadvertently, but has no or little accident history.
I think anything that reminds people that they shouldn't "speed inadvertently" is surely a mood thing for road safety?
Also if you have a road where "they know people speed inadvertently" thanbthere is a clear danger to vulnerable road users?
"No there really isn't. A certain stretch by me springs to mind. A 60mph dual carriageway coming down to a 30mph on the approach to a big, busy, traffic light controlled junction. No problem with that. @400m past this junction the speed limit goes back up to 40mph. Dead straight, two lanes running each way and all crossings are traffic light controlled. You'd have to work really hard as a pedestrian/vulnerable road user to get hit there. Many drivers leaving the junction think they are in a 40mph as they can see the 40mph signs ahead and get pinged whilst they are still in the 30mph stretch. Yes, they have committed the offence and yes it's their own silly fault, but don't tell me that location has an accident problem. What it doe shave is one of the highest capture rates in the county. Even regular police don't like speed detection vans as they are very expensive to operate, and, mostly, only .gov benefits. | |||
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"Tom is not that old but he remembers when every village had a local bobby on a bicycle. Bring back those days You will be wanting gas lit street lamps next... The old style bobbies used to feel a collar and now ... Let's be clear. Tom is no fan of cycling but one iconic image is of a plump red faced officer cycling through the village... The worst police invention was the panda car and abolishing the 6 ft rule. Tom is no fan, but needs a fan to cool down. Reading all the news gets him too hot under the collar." | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it
What money do they make out of it?
There is an element of truth in this. They make nothing out of things like minor vehicle defects. In fact, even though the offence is absolute, you get 14 days to get it fixed, and you won't be prosecuted. Seems fair.
Speeding is the big one. People think they make money out of speeding. They don't. Fines go to the Fund of the Exchequer, i.e. .gov. They can recover costs for giving speed awareness courses, but as that's also an alternative to prosecution, still fair.
However, as provinicial forces are now run by PCCs (read politicians), not Chief Constables, they favour generating money for .gov. My force is increasing it's fleet of 4 speed detector vans to 10 on the grounds of road safety, but everyone knows it's to raise money for .gov. These units are not staffed by police officers, but by civilian support staff.
I mean the 1500+ annual fatalities and the 25000+ serious life changing injuries a year caused by motorists would suggest that road safety should be a priority?
It might have more meaning if they sited the vans at accident hot spots rather than where they know people speed inadvertently, but has no or little accident history.
I think anything that reminds people that they shouldn't "speed inadvertently" is surely a mood thing for road safety?
Also if you have a road where "they know people speed inadvertently" thanbthere is a clear danger to vulnerable road users?
No there really isn't. A certain stretch by me springs to mind. A 60mph dual carriageway coming down to a 30mph on the approach to a big, busy, traffic light controlled junction. No problem with that. @400m past this junction the speed limit goes back up to 40mph. Dead straight, two lanes running each way and all crossings are traffic light controlled. You'd have to work really hard as a pedestrian/vulnerable road user to get hit there. Many drivers leaving the junction think they are in a 40mph as they can see the 40mph signs ahead and get pinged whilst they are still in the 30mph stretch.
Yes, they have committed the offence and yes it's their own silly fault, but don't tell me that location has an accident problem. What it doe shave is one of the highest capture rates in the county.
Even regular police don't like speed detection vans as they are very expensive to operate, and, mostly, only .gov benefits."If you've passed a 30mph sign but are driving at 40 as you can see another sign in the distance you probably deserve the fine? | |||
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"Bloody hell does everyone hate the police on fab? "I distrust them. I feel that's an important difference. I have worked alongside enough to know that they are not all bad but there have been enough high profile failings going back decades to demonstrate its not just a few bad apples | |||
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"Mistakes we're made. Get over it, everyone trashing the police is foolish. They're the first people we call in tragedy. For every mistake made there's hundreds of cases where they make the right call. "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" Comes to mind.. " I think expecting the police to learn from it rather than society to get over it is probably a better goal? It's not just one mistake is it? Even the new head of the Met has admitted that | |||
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"Mistakes we're made. Get over it, everyone trashing the police is foolish. They're the first people we call in tragedy. For every mistake made there's hundreds of cases where they make the right call. "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" Comes to mind.. I think expecting the police to learn from it rather than society to get over it is probably a better goal? It's not just one mistake is it? Even the new head of the Met has admitted that" Instead of feeling self righteous i think you need to find the path off righteousness | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it
What money do they make out of it?
There is an element of truth in this. They make nothing out of things like minor vehicle defects. In fact, even though the offence is absolute, you get 14 days to get it fixed, and you won't be prosecuted. Seems fair.
Speeding is the big one. People think they make money out of speeding. They don't. Fines go to the Fund of the Exchequer, i.e. .gov. They can recover costs for giving speed awareness courses, but as that's also an alternative to prosecution, still fair.
However, as provinicial forces are now run by PCCs (read politicians), not Chief Constables, they favour generating money for .gov. My force is increasing it's fleet of 4 speed detector vans to 10 on the grounds of road safety, but everyone knows it's to raise money for .gov. These units are not staffed by police officers, but by civilian support staff.
I mean the 1500+ annual fatalities and the 25000+ serious life changing injuries a year caused by motorists would suggest that road safety should be a priority?
It might have more meaning if they sited the vans at accident hot spots rather than where they know people speed inadvertently, but has no or little accident history.
I think anything that reminds people that they shouldn't "speed inadvertently" is surely a mood thing for road safety?
Also if you have a road where "they know people speed inadvertently" thanbthere is a clear danger to vulnerable road users?
No there really isn't. A certain stretch by me springs to mind. A 60mph dual carriageway coming down to a 30mph on the approach to a big, busy, traffic light controlled junction. No problem with that. @400m past this junction the speed limit goes back up to 40mph. Dead straight, two lanes running each way and all crossings are traffic light controlled. You'd have to work really hard as a pedestrian/vulnerable road user to get hit there. Many drivers leaving the junction think they are in a 40mph as they can see the 40mph signs ahead and get pinged whilst they are still in the 30mph stretch.
Yes, they have committed the offence and yes it's their own silly fault, but don't tell me that location has an accident problem. What it doe shave is one of the highest capture rates in the county.
Even regular police don't like speed detection vans as they are very expensive to operate, and, mostly, only .gov benefits.
If you've passed a 30mph sign but are driving at 40 as you can see another sign in the distance you probably deserve the fine?
"If you read it you already know I agree that technically the offence is committed, but don't tell me, at that location that it's a safety issue. It's just an earner. | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it
What money do they make out of it?
There is an element of truth in this. They make nothing out of things like minor vehicle defects. In fact, even though the offence is absolute, you get 14 days to get it fixed, and you won't be prosecuted. Seems fair.
Speeding is the big one. People think they make money out of speeding. They don't. Fines go to the Fund of the Exchequer, i.e. .gov. They can recover costs for giving speed awareness courses, but as that's also an alternative to prosecution, still fair.
However, as provinicial forces are now run by PCCs (read politicians), not Chief Constables, they favour generating money for .gov. My force is increasing it's fleet of 4 speed detector vans to 10 on the grounds of road safety, but everyone knows it's to raise money for .gov. These units are not staffed by police officers, but by civilian support staff.
I mean the 1500+ annual fatalities and the 25000+ serious life changing injuries a year caused by motorists would suggest that road safety should be a priority?
It might have more meaning if they sited the vans at accident hot spots rather than where they know people speed inadvertently, but has no or little accident history.
I think anything that reminds people that they shouldn't "speed inadvertently" is surely a mood thing for road safety?
Also if you have a road where "they know people speed inadvertently" thanbthere is a clear danger to vulnerable road users?
No there really isn't. A certain stretch by me springs to mind. A 60mph dual carriageway coming down to a 30mph on the approach to a big, busy, traffic light controlled junction. No problem with that. @400m past this junction the speed limit goes back up to 40mph. Dead straight, two lanes running each way and all crossings are traffic light controlled. You'd have to work really hard as a pedestrian/vulnerable road user to get hit there. Many drivers leaving the junction think they are in a 40mph as they can see the 40mph signs ahead and get pinged whilst they are still in the 30mph stretch.
Yes, they have committed the offence and yes it's their own silly fault, but don't tell me that location has an accident problem. What it doe shave is one of the highest capture rates in the county.
Even regular police don't like speed detection vans as they are very expensive to operate, and, mostly, only .gov benefits.
If you've passed a 30mph sign but are driving at 40 as you can see another sign in the distance you probably deserve the fine?
If you read it you already know I agree that technically the offence is committed, but don't tell me, at that location that it's a safety issue. It's just an earner."I complete take your point. It is interesting tho given how the thread started. The police have been condemned for both following up on a (relatively) minor crime because the person went onto commit a horrific crime. Arguably someone who doesn't pay due care and gets caught on a hill, could also not take care outside of a school. | |||
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"Police seem to pick and choose which incidents they pay more attention to. Turned their back on a knife crime yet pull you over for having a rear light out exactly if they can make money out of it
What money do they make out of it?
There is an element of truth in this. They make nothing out of things like minor vehicle defects. In fact, even though the offence is absolute, you get 14 days to get it fixed, and you won't be prosecuted. Seems fair.
Speeding is the big one. People think they make money out of speeding. They don't. Fines go to the Fund of the Exchequer, i.e. .gov. They can recover costs for giving speed awareness courses, but as that's also an alternative to prosecution, still fair.
However, as provinicial forces are now run by PCCs (read politicians), not Chief Constables, they favour generating money for .gov. My force is increasing it's fleet of 4 speed detector vans to 10 on the grounds of road safety, but everyone knows it's to raise money for .gov. These units are not staffed by police officers, but by civilian support staff.
I mean the 1500+ annual fatalities and the 25000+ serious life changing injuries a year caused by motorists would suggest that road safety should be a priority?
It might have more meaning if they sited the vans at accident hot spots rather than where they know people speed inadvertently, but has no or little accident history.
I think anything that reminds people that they shouldn't "speed inadvertently" is surely a mood thing for road safety?
Also if you have a road where "they know people speed inadvertently" thanbthere is a clear danger to vulnerable road users?
No there really isn't. A certain stretch by me springs to mind. A 60mph dual carriageway coming down to a 30mph on the approach to a big, busy, traffic light controlled junction. No problem with that. @400m past this junction the speed limit goes back up to 40mph. Dead straight, two lanes running each way and all crossings are traffic light controlled. You'd have to work really hard as a pedestrian/vulnerable road user to get hit there. Many drivers leaving the junction think they are in a 40mph as they can see the 40mph signs ahead and get pinged whilst they are still in the 30mph stretch.
Yes, they have committed the offence and yes it's their own silly fault, but don't tell me that location has an accident problem. What it doe shave is one of the highest capture rates in the county.
Even regular police don't like speed detection vans as they are very expensive to operate, and, mostly, only .gov benefits.
If you've passed a 30mph sign but are driving at 40 as you can see another sign in the distance you probably deserve the fine?
If you read it you already know I agree that technically the offence is committed, but don't tell me, at that location that it's a safety issue. It's just an earner."I think you are missing the point that speed cameras and vans and even those litle smiley green face/angry red faces are all designed to make motorists conscious of driving to speed limits everywhere bit just in the immediate vicinity. I'm confident anyone that gets caught because the massive bright yellow box at the side of the road combined with the speed limit signs aren't enough to make them slow down also speed else where. Where as those who van understand a speed limit sign and see the massive bright yellow box might just be more conscious of how they are driving? | |||
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"Reports that the murderer Wayne Cousins went to a McDonalds drive thru and exposed himself and the restaurant had his numberplate on camera but nobody from the police 'service'contacted the victim... Meanwhile the chief of police sends men to record a hate incident when a 14 year old boy wth autism allegedly drops a book at school. What's going on guys. It's all over the news " ................................ To be fair the two incidents relate to two different police forces and we don't know how long it took them to respond to the second incident. | |||
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