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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority " Eh? | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? " Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? " Are you saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown? I thought you were anti woke? | |||
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"It's like people of all sides should shut the fuck up with the political sniping and accept that this is a great compromise " I thought the last deal was a great compromise? | |||
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"It's like people of all sides should shut the fuck up with the political sniping and accept that this is a great compromise I thought the last deal was a great compromise? " You were wrong... and still can't help yourself | |||
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"It's like people of all sides should shut the fuck up with the political sniping and accept that this is a great compromise " You've read it in detail? I haven't and whilst I accept it looks like an improvement on the pile of cold dog suck that Boris sold to his cultists I think it's not even being called great by Sunak loyalists.. Ps, if it's that great do you think we should all have the same deal? | |||
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"It's like people of all sides should shut the fuck up with the political sniping and accept that this is a great compromise You've read it in detail? I haven't and whilst I accept it looks like an improvement on the pile of cold dog suck that Boris sold to his cultists I think it's not even being called great by Sunak loyalists.. Ps, if it's that great do you think we should all have the same deal?" No I haven't. That's what we elect Mo's to do. If you seriously expect owt else youia kidding yourself | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? Are you saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown? I thought you were anti woke?" I suggest you word that better. Because yes, 100% without doubt, unequivocally, I am saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown. I have no issue with people making negative comments about someone's actions because they are incompetent - whatever their colour. But there's no evidence this is an incompetent deal  | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? " Eh? | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? Are you saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown? I thought you were anti woke? I suggest you word that better. Because yes, 100% without doubt, unequivocally, I am saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown. I have no issue with people making negative comments about someone's actions because they are incompetent - whatever their colour. But there's no evidence this is an incompetent deal "Oh were you the chap who tried to smear me as a racist before because I pointed out it looked like Zahawi was a liar and a tax dodger? How did that attempted smear work out for you in the end? And now you're trying to smear me as a racist again because I used an analogy about the PM? I never even mentioned Sunak's race. You're the 1 who seems obsessed with race. But let's be honest, it's not that. You're simply grasping desperately for any way to try & smear me because you clash with me on here. I've bitched about Trump, Johnson, Truss etc far more often than I have about Sunak. But I suppose you want to ignore that to keep trying to smear me as a racist. | |||
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"It certainly an improvement on the previous. ….and it provides NI with unique(!) benefits of being able to trade with the EU and within the UK (says our PM) Which is of course what the whole of the Uk had pre-Brexit….. "Pretty much. | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? Are you saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown? I thought you were anti woke? I suggest you word that better. Because yes, 100% without doubt, unequivocally, I am saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown. I have no issue with people making negative comments about someone's actions because they are incompetent - whatever their colour. But there's no evidence this is an incompetent deal "The Prime Minister ethnicity was not mentioned by anybody except for you. You seem to have jumped to a conclusion that a reference to burglary was related to ethnicity. Why do you think that you did that? The reference was to our unhindered access to the EU market is being replaced by access only for Northern Ireland. That says nothing to how "good" the deal might be Did you not understand that? | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? Are you saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown? I thought you were anti woke? I suggest you word that better. Because yes, 100% without doubt, unequivocally, I am saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown. I have no issue with people making negative comments about someone's actions because they are incompetent - whatever their colour. But there's no evidence this is an incompetent deal
The Prime Minister ethnicity was not mentioned by anybody except for you.
You seem to have jumped to a conclusion that a reference to burglary was related to ethnicity. Why do you think that you did that?
The reference was to our unhindered access to the EU market is being replaced by access only for Northern Ireland.
That says nothing to how "good" the deal might be
Did you not understand that?"Confirmation Bias? Cheshire you do seem obsessed by race? Personally I wouldn’t care if someone was blue with pink spots, if they are good or bad at their job I will say so! | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? " Are you referring to the post where I said that Sunak knifed boris in the back ? | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous "That chap has tried this sort of thing before with me when I criticised Zahawi for lying and tax dodging. He just wants to smear me any way he can. | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
That chap has tried this sort of thing before with me when I criticised Zahawi for lying and tax dodging. He just wants to smear me any way he can."I've seen it. I've criticised you plenty too but racism, NO. | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
That chap has tried this sort of thing before with me when I criticised Zahawi for lying and tax dodging. He just wants to smear me any way he can."It’s called deflection. Implying something like racism is really really poor form. | |||
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"It certainly an improvement on the previous. ….and it provides NI with unique(!) benefits of being able to trade with the EU and within the UK (says our PM) Which is of course what the whole of the Uk had pre-Brexit….. "The deal is basically the same as the last deal, except they changed the name and used a crayons to paint colours and arrows on a map. Expect the DUP to continue to say NO ! | |||
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"It certainly an improvement on the previous. ….and it provides NI with unique(!) benefits of being able to trade with the EU and within the UK (says our PM) Which is of course what the whole of the Uk had pre-Brexit…..
The deal is basically the same as the last deal, except they changed the name and used a crayons to paint colours and arrows on a map.
Expect the DUP to continue to say NO !"It is a change, with some simplification of the mainland/NI transport process which is to the good. The main benefit is the significant change of tone in the discussions between the EU and UK which will hopefully lead to improved cooperation with Horizon science and engineering research and financial negotiations. Perhaps EFTA or something similar in the medium to long term. What is | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
That chap has tried this sort of thing before with me when I criticised Zahawi for lying and tax dodging. He just wants to smear me any way he can."You did more than that. You accused him of criminality. No charges yet brought against Zahawi. I have never ever said you're racist. And when you say 'smear me any way he can', what other ways have I attempted this? I disagree with you politically, but only someone on the hard left would say expressing this is 'smearing'. Must I ask your permission first before daring to express pro-Tory comments? When I asked you before, you responded that I had accused you of 'trying to blacken' Sunak's name. In other words, you took a typical loony left position of smearing me by changing the meaning of a perfectly innocent expression. You sound like the sort who would approve of trawling through Dahl's books, eliminating with faux outrage phrases like 'whiter than white'. What it must be like to have a perpetually faux-offended persona! | |||
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"It certainly an improvement on the previous. ….and it provides NI with unique(!) benefits of being able to trade with the EU and within the UK (says our PM) Which is of course what the whole of the Uk had pre-Brexit…..
The deal is basically the same as the last deal, except they changed the name and used a crayons to paint colours and arrows on a map.
Expect the DUP to continue to say NO !
It is a change, with some simplification of the mainland/NI transport process which is to the good.
The main benefit is the significant change of tone in the discussions between the EU and UK which will hopefully lead to improved cooperation with Horizon science and engineering research and financial negotiations.
Perhaps EFTA or something similar in the medium to long term.
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
That chap has tried this sort of thing before with me when I criticised Zahawi for lying and tax dodging. He just wants to smear me any way he can.
It’s called deflection.
Implying something like racism is really really poor form."You are a grade A user of deflection! And I haven't implied racism on anyone here. See above. | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous "I agree. Which specific post can you point to where I have called him out for 'racism'? | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? Are you saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown? I thought you were anti woke? I suggest you word that better. Because yes, 100% without doubt, unequivocally, I am saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown. I have no issue with people making negative comments about someone's actions because they are incompetent - whatever their colour. But there's no evidence this is an incompetent deal
Oh were you the chap who tried to smear me as a racist before because I pointed out it looked like Zahawi was a liar and a tax dodger? How did that attempted smear work out for you in the end?
And now you're trying to smear me as a racist again because I used an analogy about the PM?
I never even mentioned Sunak's race. You're the 1 who seems obsessed with race. But let's be honest, it's not that. You're simply grasping desperately for any way to try & smear me because you clash with me on here.
I've bitched about Trump, Johnson, Truss etc far more often than I have about Sunak. But I suppose you want to ignore that to keep trying to smear me as a racist.
"Which specific post can you point to where I have specifically called you out for 'racism'? I've never used that word against anyone or any group on here. Can you say the same?..... | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
I agree. Which specific post can you point to where I have called him out for 'racism'? "You didn't mention 'racism' at all but you did emphasise that the OP is 'comparing our first Asian PM'. What does the PMs race matter? | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
That chap has tried this sort of thing before with me when I criticised Zahawi for lying and tax dodging. He just wants to smear me any way he can.
It’s called deflection.
Implying something like racism is really really poor form.
You are a grade A user of deflection! And I haven't implied racism on anyone here. See above. "Possibly but can you show me where I have done that? | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
I agree. Which specific post can you point to where I have called him out for 'racism'?
You didn't mention 'racism' at all but you did emphasise that the OP is 'comparing our first Asian PM'. What does the PMs race matter? "Indeed. Cheshire is very careful not to be explicit as he knows the forum rules. He can be implicit and then feign shock or outrage at his “actual meaning” being misunderstood. It is called plausible deniability. It is clever when used very sparingly but it has become completely obvious and a modus operandi for that poster! Notice how often he brings in race or references colour. Nobody else does. | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
That chap has tried this sort of thing before with me when I criticised Zahawi for lying and tax dodging. He just wants to smear me any way he can.
You did more than that. You accused him of criminality. No charges yet brought against Zahawi.
I have never ever said you're racist. And when you say 'smear me any way he can', what other ways have I attempted this? I disagree with you politically, but only someone on the hard left would say expressing this is 'smearing'. Must I ask your permission first before daring to express pro-Tory comments?
When I asked you before, you responded that I had accused you of 'trying to blacken' Sunak's name. In other words, you took a typical loony left position of smearing me by changing the meaning of a perfectly innocent expression. You sound like the sort who would approve of trawling through Dahl's books, eliminating with faux outrage phrases like 'whiter than white'.
What it must be like to have a perpetually faux-offended persona! "I could be misremembering, but I don't remember ever using the phrase: trying to blacken. Which thread was that in? | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
I agree. Which specific post can you point to where I have called him out for 'racism'?
You didn't mention 'racism' at all but you did emphasise that the OP is 'comparing our first Asian PM'. What does the PMs race matter? "Rishi Sunak embodies a remarkable story of migrant-origin progress in a successful multi-racial democracy - and this must be celebrated. Of course, if he displays incompetence this can be called out. But so few people seem to regard the new NI deal as an example of incompetence. The B'ham poster seems to be a lone voice in this regard. I think it reasonable to explore why this might be. What are your thoughts? | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
That chap has tried this sort of thing before with me when I criticised Zahawi for lying and tax dodging. He just wants to smear me any way he can.
You did more than that. You accused him of criminality. No charges yet brought against Zahawi.
I have never ever said you're racist. And when you say 'smear me any way he can', what other ways have I attempted this? I disagree with you politically, but only someone on the hard left would say expressing this is 'smearing'. Must I ask your permission first before daring to express pro-Tory comments?
When I asked you before, you responded that I had accused you of 'trying to blacken' Sunak's name. In other words, you took a typical loony left position of smearing me by changing the meaning of a perfectly innocent expression. You sound like the sort who would approve of trawling through Dahl's books, eliminating with faux outrage phrases like 'whiter than white'.
What it must be like to have a perpetually faux-offended persona!
I could be misremembering, but I don't remember ever using the phrase: trying to blacken. Which thread was that in?"I used the phrase in relation to your constant attacks on him! Read carefully what I wrote! | |||
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"Chesire's still at it, I see. It's rather pathetic." It's Cheshire! And what am I still at?  | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
That chap has tried this sort of thing before with me when I criticised Zahawi for lying and tax dodging. He just wants to smear me any way he can.
It’s called deflection.
Implying something like racism is really really poor form.
You are a grade A user of deflection! And I haven't implied racism on anyone here. See above.
Possibly but can you show me where I have done that?"I have never seen any racism from you at all. | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
I agree. Which specific post can you point to where I have called him out for 'racism'?
You didn't mention 'racism' at all but you did emphasise that the OP is 'comparing our first Asian PM'. What does the PMs race matter?
Indeed. Cheshire is very careful not to be explicit as he knows the forum rules. He can be implicit and then feign shock or outrage at his “actual meaning” being misunderstood.
It is called plausible deniability. It is clever when used very sparingly but it has become completely obvious and a modus operandi for that poster!
Notice how often he brings in race or references colour. Nobody else does."Really? I have several examples. You'd be surprised. I've had for instance a very sad message from a rejoined Pakistani user who left the site after an absolutely disgraceful example of racism by a regular politics poster, which I'm surprised didn't result in a ban. He has encouraged me to call out racism wherever it is suspected. I would always try not to do this too capriciously but believe me, I am not 'feigning' anything. As regards faux outrage, that's always done by the left. The Bham poster is a class act at it! | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
I agree. Which specific post can you point to where I have called him out for 'racism'?
You didn't mention 'racism' at all but you did emphasise that the OP is 'comparing our first Asian PM'. What does the PMs race matter?
Rishi Sunak embodies a remarkable story of migrant-origin progress in a successful multi-racial democracy - and this must be celebrated. Of course, if he displays incompetence this can be called out. But so few people seem to regard the new NI deal as an example of incompetence. The B'ham poster seems to be a lone voice in this regard. I think it reasonable to explore why this might be. What are your thoughts? "Why do you regard it as a "remarkable" story of success? If you find this unexpected then the implication is that it is against the odds in some way, so it is not what the children of immigrants would be expected to achieve. Why would you think that? He has done a better job than his predecessor who brazenly lied about the deal that was struck. It is, however, significantly worse than either remaining in the EU or negotiating some version of EFTA membership which would have been the least destructive path for the UK economy. You seem to lack the ability to understand nuance. | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
I agree. Which specific post can you point to where I have called him out for 'racism'?
You didn't mention 'racism' at all but you did emphasise that the OP is 'comparing our first Asian PM'. What does the PMs race matter?
Indeed. Cheshire is very careful not to be explicit as he knows the forum rules. He can be implicit and then feign shock or outrage at his “actual meaning” being misunderstood.
It is called plausible deniability. It is clever when used very sparingly but it has become completely obvious and a modus operandi for that poster!
Notice how often he brings in race or references colour. Nobody else does.
Really? I have several examples. You'd be surprised. I've had for instance a very sad message from a rejoined Pakistani user who left the site after an absolutely disgraceful example of racism by a regular politics poster, which I'm surprised didn't result in a ban. He has encouraged me to call out racism wherever it is suspected. I would always try not to do this too capriciously but believe me, I am not 'feigning' anything.
As regards faux outrage, that's always done by the left. The Bham poster is a class act at it!
"It's remarkable that so many people choose to contact you to complain about the behaviour of other posters. Unexpected too. You do, frequently, raise ethnicity to try to shut down criticism of the poor behaviour of Tory politicians. It doesn't work. | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
I agree. Which specific post can you point to where I have called him out for 'racism'?
You didn't mention 'racism' at all but you did emphasise that the OP is 'comparing our first Asian PM'. What does the PMs race matter?
Indeed. Cheshire is very careful not to be explicit as he knows the forum rules. He can be implicit and then feign shock or outrage at his “actual meaning” being misunderstood.
It is called plausible deniability. It is clever when used very sparingly but it has become completely obvious and a modus operandi for that poster!
Notice how often he brings in race or references colour. Nobody else does.
Really? I have several examples. You'd be surprised. I've had for instance a very sad message from a rejoined Pakistani user who left the site after an absolutely disgraceful example of racism by a regular politics poster, which I'm surprised didn't result in a ban. He has encouraged me to call out racism wherever it is suspected. I would always try not to do this too capriciously but believe me, I am not 'feigning' anything.
As regards faux outrage, that's always done by the left. The Bham poster is a class act at it!
It's remarkable that so many people choose to contact you to complain about the behaviour of other posters. Unexpected too.
You do, frequently, raise ethnicity to try to shut down criticism of the poor behaviour of Tory politicians.
It doesn't work."How do you know how many people have contacted me to complain about the behaviour of other posters? How many is 'remarkable'? Why would it be 'unexpected'? How do you define 'frequently'? How would I be able to 'shut down' criticism of Tories? I have no admin rights. Am I not allowed to air my views? Should we run them past you first? How is celebrating our diverse cabinet akin to 'raising ethnicity'? Are we not allowed to do this either? Or just you? Would you rather the forum just contain you and some hand-picked lefties? Why don't you just privately message our B'ham poster all day long? Well, after 2pm  | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
I agree. Which specific post can you point to where I have called him out for 'racism'?
You didn't mention 'racism' at all but you did emphasise that the OP is 'comparing our first Asian PM'. What does the PMs race matter?
Indeed. Cheshire is very careful not to be explicit as he knows the forum rules. He can be implicit and then feign shock or outrage at his “actual meaning” being misunderstood.
It is called plausible deniability. It is clever when used very sparingly but it has become completely obvious and a modus operandi for that poster!
Notice how often he brings in race or references colour. Nobody else does.
Really? I have several examples. You'd be surprised. I've had for instance a very sad message from a rejoined Pakistani user who left the site after an absolutely disgraceful example of racism by a regular politics poster, which I'm surprised didn't result in a ban. He has encouraged me to call out racism wherever it is suspected. I would always try not to do this too capriciously but believe me, I am not 'feigning' anything.
As regards faux outrage, that's always done by the left. The Bham poster is a class act at it!
It's remarkable that so many people choose to contact you to complain about the behaviour of other posters. Unexpected too.
You do, frequently, raise ethnicity to try to shut down criticism of the poor behaviour of Tory politicians.
It doesn't work.
How do you know how many people have contacted me to complain about the behaviour of other posters? How many is 'remarkable'? Why would it be 'unexpected'?
How do you define 'frequently'? How would I be able to 'shut down' criticism of Tories? I have no admin rights. Am I not allowed to air my views? Should we run them past you first?
How is celebrating our diverse cabinet akin to 'raising ethnicity'? Are we not allowed to do this either? Or just you?
Would you rather the forum just contain you and some hand-picked lefties? Why don't you just privately message our B'ham poster all day long? Well, after 2pm
"You have commented on it more than once, Pat. Multiple occasions. Whenever you need some form of corroboration for a weak argument. How you are in contact with multiple people upset about some post or another. Either you mean what you write or you have a rich fantasy life. I do not message anyone on the forum privately. I have no reason or urge to. You can write whatever you choose, even if it is without foundation. It is more interesting if you can respond directly rather than changing the topic or refusing to respond However, you have no other course when what arguments you do have are so poorly thought out and expressed and crumble at the first query. It is amusing that you continue to use the term "lefty" as a term of criticism, especially as many of the posters who you wish to characterise as such are nothing of the sort. Myself included. Criticism of the corrupt and incompetent administration of the previous decade is nothing more than that. A concept you seem unable to comprehend for some reason. How have you "celebrated" our diverse Cabinet? You transparently attempt to use their ethnicity to prevent criticism of their behaviour and attitudes. You imply that criticism of their behaviour and attitudes is also criticism of their ethnicity. It is not. | |||
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"This got ugly very quickly lol x" Steady! The left would probably you said 'aesthetically challenged' instead. . Best check with he who would be chairman of the forum.
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
That chap has tried this sort of thing before with me when I criticised Zahawi for lying and tax dodging. He just wants to smear me any way he can.
You did more than that. You accused him of criminality. No charges yet brought against Zahawi.
I have never ever said you're racist. And when you say 'smear me any way he can', what other ways have I attempted this? I disagree with you politically, but only someone on the hard left would say expressing this is 'smearing'. Must I ask your permission first before daring to express pro-Tory comments?
When I asked you before, you responded that I had accused you of 'trying to blacken' Sunak's name. In other words, you took a typical loony left position of smearing me by changing the meaning of a perfectly innocent expression. You sound like the sort who would approve of trawling through Dahl's books, eliminating with faux outrage phrases like 'whiter than white'.
What it must be like to have a perpetually faux-offended persona!
I could be misremembering, but I don't remember ever using the phrase: trying to blacken. Which thread was that in?
I used the phrase in relation to your constant attacks on him! Read carefully what I wrote! "You put trying to blacken in quotation marks when talking about me. That looks an awful lot like you were trying to attribute a quote to me that - as far as I know - I never made. V odd behaviour from you. | |||
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"As expected! You failed to address virtually anything I raised, which is par for the course. And addressed it to Pat, which is inaccurate from the start. You seem today particularly to be revelling in whataboutery, deflection, inaccuracy and a desire to mute all other opinions unless anti Tory. All topped it appears with patronising, condasencion and superiority. Actually, par for the course really! " Actually, I addressed each of your points, in turn, directly. Reading not your friend, it seems. Attempting to claim the victim now too. Nobody is trying to cancel you. You are just being mocked for your flimsy attempts at "arguments". Absolutely condescension for so transparently attempting to gaslight everyone on the thread who is perfectly able to read what you are writing. Do keep digging your hole though. | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
That chap has tried this sort of thing before with me when I criticised Zahawi for lying and tax dodging. He just wants to smear me any way he can.
You did more than that. You accused him of criminality. No charges yet brought against Zahawi.
I have never ever said you're racist. And when you say 'smear me any way he can', what other ways have I attempted this? I disagree with you politically, but only someone on the hard left would say expressing this is 'smearing'. Must I ask your permission first before daring to express pro-Tory comments?
When I asked you before, you responded that I had accused you of 'trying to blacken' Sunak's name. In other words, you took a typical loony left position of smearing me by changing the meaning of a perfectly innocent expression. You sound like the sort who would approve of trawling through Dahl's books, eliminating with faux outrage phrases like 'whiter than white'.
What it must be like to have a perpetually faux-offended persona!
I could be misremembering, but I don't remember ever using the phrase: trying to blacken. Which thread was that in?
I used the phrase in relation to your constant attacks on him! Read carefully what I wrote!
You put trying to blacken in quotation marks when talking about me. That looks an awful lot like you were trying to attribute a quote to me that - as far as I know - I never made. V odd behaviour from you.
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"This got ugly very quickly lol x These sorts of things can happen when some1 tries to play nasty games then gets called on it." Correct. When you play nasty games re Sunak, Zahawi et al, I will call you out on it if I cannot see justification or you can't provide evidence of criminality. Which you couldn't. And still no charges brought against Zahawi. | |||
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"As expected! You failed to address virtually anything I raised, which is par for the course. And addressed it to Pat, which is inaccurate from the start. You seem today particularly to be revelling in whataboutery, deflection, inaccuracy and a desire to mute all other opinions unless anti Tory. All topped it appears with patronising, condasencion and superiority. Actually, par for the course really! Actually, I addressed each of your points, in turn, directly. Reading not your friend, it seems. Attempting to claim the victim now too. Nobody is trying to cancel you. You are just being mocked for your flimsy attempts at "arguments". Absolutely condescension for so transparently attempting to gaslight everyone on the thread who is perfectly able to read what you are writing. Do keep digging your hole though." I didn't see answers to most of these points : How do you know how many people have contacted me to complain about the behaviour of other posters? How many is 'remarkable'? Why would it be 'unexpected'? How do you define 'frequently'? How would I be able to 'shut down' criticism of Tories? I have no admin rights. Am I not allowed to air my views? Should we run them past you first? How is celebrating our diverse cabinet akin to 'raising ethnicity'? Are we not allowed to do this either? Or just you? You chose to answer what you wanted to answer not what I asked you. | |||
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"As expected! You failed to address virtually anything I raised, which is par for the course. And addressed it to Pat, which is inaccurate from the start. You seem today particularly to be revelling in whataboutery, deflection, inaccuracy and a desire to mute all other opinions unless anti Tory. All topped it appears with patronising, condasencion and superiority. Actually, par for the course really! Actually, I addressed each of your points, in turn, directly. Reading not your friend, it seems. Attempting to claim the victim now too. Nobody is trying to cancel you. You are just being mocked for your flimsy attempts at "arguments". Absolutely condescension for so transparently attempting to gaslight everyone on the thread who is perfectly able to read what you are writing. Do keep digging your hole though. I didn't see answers to most of these points : How do you know how many people have contacted me to complain about the behaviour of other posters? How many is 'remarkable'? Why would it be 'unexpected'? How do you define 'frequently'? How would I be able to 'shut down' criticism of Tories? I have no admin rights. Am I not allowed to air my views? Should we run them past you first? How is celebrating our diverse cabinet akin to 'raising ethnicity'? Are we not allowed to do this either? Or just you? You chose to answer what you wanted to answer not what I asked you. " I answered. You regularly state when people "contact" you. As I stated, this tends to happen when you need some "corroboration" of your opinion. I happen to think your statements are garbage, but you keep writing what you write. Also, clearly stated that nobody is trying to or is able to "cancel". Write what you like. Just accept that you will be challenged. Dig, dig, dig. | |||
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"This got ugly very quickly lol x These sorts of things can happen when some1 tries to play nasty games then gets called on it. Correct. When you play nasty games re Sunak, Zahawi et al, I will call you out on it if I cannot see justification or you can't provide evidence of criminality. Which you couldn't. And still no charges brought against Zahawi. " People can v clearly see what you've been doing with the attempted racism smears. That's why you've been called out by multiple people on this thread. It's pathetic of you. It's remarkable you're still pushing this, even now. | |||
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"This got ugly very quickly lol x These sorts of things can happen when some1 tries to play nasty games then gets called on it. Correct. When you play nasty games re Sunak, Zahawi et al, I will call you out on it if I cannot see justification or you can't provide evidence of criminality. Which you couldn't. And still no charges brought against Zahawi. " There was never any discussion about "charges" being brought against Zahawi nor criminality. Except by you in an attempt to change the conversation. It was about him avoiding the payment of tax that was due and being fined extremely heavily for being negligent. In addition to that he made unjustified legal threats against private individuals and the press on reporting perfectly legitimate and correct information. Spin, soon, spin. Dig, dig, dig. | |||
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"This got ugly very quickly lol x These sorts of things can happen when some1 tries to play nasty games then gets called on it. Correct. When you play nasty games re Sunak, Zahawi et al, I will call you out on it if I cannot see justification or you can't provide evidence of criminality. Which you couldn't. And still no charges brought against Zahawi. People can v clearly see what you've been doing with the attempted racism smears. That's why you've been called out by multiple people on this thread. It's pathetic of you. It's remarkable you're still pushing this, even now." I have not called you a racist. Please stop making false accusations. You must be able to defend your attacks on Zahawi, Sunak, Braverman, Patel more effectively than that. I have acknowledged you also attack Truss and Johnson and their ethnicity is clearly not that of the first 4. You were incorrectly accusing Zahawi of criminality and Sunak of arranging a poor deal on NI. It's not a cry of racism to ask why you would want to do that? | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
I agree. Which specific post can you point to where I have called him out for 'racism'?
You didn't mention 'racism' at all but you did emphasise that the OP is 'comparing our first Asian PM'. What does the PMs race matter?
Indeed. Cheshire is very careful not to be explicit as he knows the forum rules. He can be implicit and then feign shock or outrage at his “actual meaning” being misunderstood.
It is called plausible deniability. It is clever when used very sparingly but it has become completely obvious and a modus operandi for that poster!
Notice how often he brings in race or references colour. Nobody else does.
Really? I have several examples. You'd be surprised. I've had for instance a very sad message from a rejoined Pakistani user who left the site after an absolutely disgraceful example of racism by a regular politics poster, which I'm surprised didn't result in a ban. He has encouraged me to call out racism wherever it is suspected. I would always try not to do this too capriciously but believe me, I am not 'feigning' anything.
As regards faux outrage, that's always done by the left. The Bham poster is a class act at it!
It's remarkable that so many people choose to contact you to complain about the behaviour of other posters. Unexpected too.
You do, frequently, raise ethnicity to try to shut down criticism of the poor behaviour of Tory politicians.
It doesn't work.
How do you know how many people have contacted me to complain about the behaviour of other posters? How many is 'remarkable'? Why would it be 'unexpected'?
How do you define 'frequently'? How would I be able to 'shut down' criticism of Tories? I have no admin rights. Am I not allowed to air my views? Should we run them past you first?
How is celebrating our diverse cabinet akin to 'raising ethnicity'? Are we not allowed to do this either? Or just you?
Would you rather the forum just contain you and some hand-picked lefties? Why don't you just privately message our B'ham poster all day long? Well, after 2pm
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
I agree. Which specific post can you point to where I have called him out for 'racism'?
You didn't mention 'racism' at all but you did emphasise that the OP is 'comparing our first Asian PM'. What does the PMs race matter?
Indeed. Cheshire is very careful not to be explicit as he knows the forum rules. He can be implicit and then feign shock or outrage at his “actual meaning” being misunderstood.
It is called plausible deniability. It is clever when used very sparingly but it has become completely obvious and a modus operandi for that poster!
Notice how often he brings in race or references colour. Nobody else does.
Really? I have several examples. You'd be surprised. I've had for instance a very sad message from a rejoined Pakistani user who left the site after an absolutely disgraceful example of racism by a regular politics poster, which I'm surprised didn't result in a ban. He has encouraged me to call out racism wherever it is suspected. I would always try not to do this too capriciously but believe me, I am not 'feigning' anything.
As regards faux outrage, that's always done by the left. The Bham poster is a class act at it!
It's remarkable that so many people choose to contact you to complain about the behaviour of other posters. Unexpected too.
You do, frequently, raise ethnicity to try to shut down criticism of the poor behaviour of Tory politicians.
It doesn't work.
How do you know how many people have contacted me to complain about the behaviour of other posters? How many is 'remarkable'? Why would it be 'unexpected'?
How do you define 'frequently'? How would I be able to 'shut down' criticism of Tories? I have no admin rights. Am I not allowed to air my views? Should we run them past you first?
How is celebrating our diverse cabinet akin to 'raising ethnicity'? Are we not allowed to do this either? Or just you?
Would you rather the forum just contain you and some hand-picked lefties? Why don't you just privately message our B'ham poster all day long? Well, after 2pm
You should know by now that the small group of socialist lefties like to massage each other’s egos with a brexit or Government moaning thread "You see the irony in your post don’t you | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
I agree. Which specific post can you point to where I have called him out for 'racism'?
You didn't mention 'racism' at all but you did emphasise that the OP is 'comparing our first Asian PM'. What does the PMs race matter?
Indeed. Cheshire is very careful not to be explicit as he knows the forum rules. He can be implicit and then feign shock or outrage at his “actual meaning” being misunderstood.
It is called plausible deniability. It is clever when used very sparingly but it has become completely obvious and a modus operandi for that poster!
Notice how often he brings in race or references colour. Nobody else does.
Really? I have several examples. You'd be surprised. I've had for instance a very sad message from a rejoined Pakistani user who left the site after an absolutely disgraceful example of racism by a regular politics poster, which I'm surprised didn't result in a ban. He has encouraged me to call out racism wherever it is suspected. I would always try not to do this too capriciously but believe me, I am not 'feigning' anything.
As regards faux outrage, that's always done by the left. The Bham poster is a class act at it!
It's remarkable that so many people choose to contact you to complain about the behaviour of other posters. Unexpected too.
You do, frequently, raise ethnicity to try to shut down criticism of the poor behaviour of Tory politicians.
It doesn't work.
How do you know how many people have contacted me to complain about the behaviour of other posters? How many is 'remarkable'? Why would it be 'unexpected'?
How do you define 'frequently'? How would I be able to 'shut down' criticism of Tories? I have no admin rights. Am I not allowed to air my views? Should we run them past you first?
How is celebrating our diverse cabinet akin to 'raising ethnicity'? Are we not allowed to do this either? Or just you?
Would you rather the forum just contain you and some hand-picked lefties? Why don't you just privately message our B'ham poster all day long? Well, after 2pm
You should know by now that the small group of socialist lefties like to massage each other’s egos with a brexit or Government moaning thread
You see the irony in your post don’t you "I am sure you will enlighten me... | |||
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"Where did racism come into it? Most here will know that I clash with the OP fairly often but calling this racism is absolutely ridiculous
I agree. Which specific post can you point to where I have called him out for 'racism'?
You didn't mention 'racism' at all but you did emphasise that the OP is 'comparing our first Asian PM'. What does the PMs race matter?
Indeed. Cheshire is very careful not to be explicit as he knows the forum rules. He can be implicit and then feign shock or outrage at his “actual meaning” being misunderstood.
It is called plausible deniability. It is clever when used very sparingly but it has become completely obvious and a modus operandi for that poster!
Notice how often he brings in race or references colour. Nobody else does.
Really? I have several examples. You'd be surprised. I've had for instance a very sad message from a rejoined Pakistani user who left the site after an absolutely disgraceful example of racism by a regular politics poster, which I'm surprised didn't result in a ban. He has encouraged me to call out racism wherever it is suspected. I would always try not to do this too capriciously but believe me, I am not 'feigning' anything.
As regards faux outrage, that's always done by the left. The Bham poster is a class act at it!
It's remarkable that so many people choose to contact you to complain about the behaviour of other posters. Unexpected too.
You do, frequently, raise ethnicity to try to shut down criticism of the poor behaviour of Tory politicians.
It doesn't work.
How do you know how many people have contacted me to complain about the behaviour of other posters? How many is 'remarkable'? Why would it be 'unexpected'?
How do you define 'frequently'? How would I be able to 'shut down' criticism of Tories? I have no admin rights. Am I not allowed to air my views? Should we run them past you first?
How is celebrating our diverse cabinet akin to 'raising ethnicity'? Are we not allowed to do this either? Or just you?
Would you rather the forum just contain you and some hand-picked lefties? Why don't you just privately message our B'ham poster all day long? Well, after 2pm
You should know by now that the small group of socialist lefties like to massage each other’s egos with a brexit or Government moaning thread
You see the irony in your post don’t you
I am sure you will enlighten me..."I wouldn’t be so presumptuous. You’re intelligent so I can only assume the irony was deliberate! | |||
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"This got ugly very quickly lol x These sorts of things can happen when some1 tries to play nasty games then gets called on it. Correct. When you play nasty games re Sunak, Zahawi et al, I will call you out on it if I cannot see justification or you can't provide evidence of criminality. Which you couldn't. And still no charges brought against Zahawi. People can v clearly see what you've been doing with the attempted racism smears. That's why you've been called out by multiple people on this thread. It's pathetic of you. It's remarkable you're still pushing this, even now. I have not called you a racist. Please stop making false accusations. You must be able to defend your attacks on Zahawi, Sunak, Braverman, Patel more effectively than that. I have acknowledged you also attack Truss and Johnson and their ethnicity is clearly not that of the first 4. You were incorrectly accusing Zahawi of criminality and Sunak of arranging a poor deal on NI. It's not a cry of racism to ask why you would want to do that? " I never said you called me a racist. You carefully avoided that word while doing your best to smear me as a racist. You did this to me on two threads. It was so obvious and pathetic that multiple people called you out on this thread. And now because you've been called out, you're trying to backpedal & pretend you weren't trying to smear me as a racist. It's rather pathetic of you. | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? Are you saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown? I thought you were anti woke? I suggest you word that better. Because yes, 100% without doubt, unequivocally, I am saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown. I have no issue with people making negative comments about someone's actions because they are incompetent - whatever their colour. But there's no evidence this is an incompetent deal "You should know by now how the socialists function | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? Are you saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown? I thought you were anti woke? I suggest you word that better. Because yes, 100% without doubt, unequivocally, I am saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown. I have no issue with people making negative comments about someone's actions because they are incompetent - whatever their colour. But there's no evidence this is an incompetent deal
You should know by now how the socialists function "Why are you: A) Quoting something from near the beginning of the thread when there has been follow on discussions that elaborate on the points being raised? B) Quoting a reply to me (not a Socialist) and trying to use it for your anti-socialist views? Implying someone is being racist because they criticise a person of colour for being or doing something rubbish us simply pathetic. We should judge people by their actions and their ability. Personally I couldn’t care less about a person’s race. | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? Are you saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown? I thought you were anti woke? I suggest you word that better. Because yes, 100% without doubt, unequivocally, I am saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown. I have no issue with people making negative comments about someone's actions because they are incompetent - whatever their colour. But there's no evidence this is an incompetent deal
You should know by now how the socialists function
Why are you:
A) Quoting something from near the beginning of the thread when there has been follow on discussions that elaborate on the points being raised?
B) Quoting a reply to me (not a Socialist) and trying to use it for your anti-socialist views?
Implying someone is being racist because they criticise a person of colour for being or doing something rubbish us simply pathetic. We should judge people by their actions and their ability. Personally I couldn’t care less about a person’s race."If you are not a socialist why are you so triggered by a comment about socialists? If it’s pathetic why waste your Precious time responding | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? Are you saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown? I thought you were anti woke? I suggest you word that better. Because yes, 100% without doubt, unequivocally, I am saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown. I have no issue with people making negative comments about someone's actions because they are incompetent - whatever their colour. But there's no evidence this is an incompetent deal
You should know by now how the socialists function
Why are you:
A) Quoting something from near the beginning of the thread when there has been follow on discussions that elaborate on the points being raised?
B) Quoting a reply to me (not a Socialist) and trying to use it for your anti-socialist views?
Implying someone is being racist because they criticise a person of colour for being or doing something rubbish us simply pathetic. We should judge people by their actions and their ability. Personally I couldn’t care less about a person’s race.
If you are not a socialist why are you so triggered by a comment about socialists?
If it’s pathetic why waste your Precious time responding"Been very clear I am a centrist. Also clear that I do not accept implied racism so I will call it out. If that makes me “triggered” so be it! | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? Are you saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown? I thought you were anti woke? I suggest you word that better. Because yes, 100% without doubt, unequivocally, I am saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown. I have no issue with people making negative comments about someone's actions because they are incompetent - whatever their colour. But there's no evidence this is an incompetent deal
You should know by now how the socialists function
Why are you:
A) Quoting something from near the beginning of the thread when there has been follow on discussions that elaborate on the points being raised?
B) Quoting a reply to me (not a Socialist) and trying to use it for your anti-socialist views?
Implying someone is being racist because they criticise a person of colour for being or doing something rubbish us simply pathetic. We should judge people by their actions and their ability. Personally I couldn’t care less about a person’s race.
If you are not a socialist why are you so triggered by a comment about socialists?
If it’s pathetic why waste your Precious time responding
Been very clear I am a centrist. Also clear that I do not accept implied racism so I will call it out. If that makes me “triggered” so be it!"Not sure where i called you a racist and I wasn’t even responding to a post from yourself! | |||
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"Implying someone is being racist because they criticise a person of colour for being or doing something rubbish is simply pathetic. I agree, but you try criticising Lewis Hamilton some day, and see how fast the racist card gets played." Oh yes absolutely | |||
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"Cheshire here’s an idea... We draw a line now, today, after which we continue for a week (maybe two) where none of us mention race or ethnicity or gender or sexuality even once. We focus on the merits, achievements, ability, issues, scandals, propriety of all politicians treating them all as human beings and nothing more. We can then see what is actually being discussed rather than anyone attempting to imply or attribute it to anything other than those criteria. Can we do that?" I'm trying my best
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"Implying someone is being racist because they criticise a person of colour for being or doing something rubbish is simply pathetic. I agree, but you try criticising Lewis Hamilton some day, and see how fast the racist card gets played." Most of the "criticism" that he received was for organising taking the knee over black lives matter. Not a topic that tends to generate reasoned discussion. Where else have you seen criticism of him being characterised as racist? | |||
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"Implying someone is being racist because they criticise a person of colour for being or doing something rubbish is simply pathetic. I agree, but you try criticising Lewis Hamilton some day, and see how fast the racist card gets played. Most of the "criticism" that he received was for organising taking the knee over black lives matter. Not a topic that tends to generate reasoned discussion. Where else have you seen criticism of him being characterised as racist?" I've criticised him as being a good driver blessed with a far superior vehicle for which I've been called racist. And I still stand by that opinion | |||
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"Implying someone is being racist because they criticise a person of colour for being or doing something rubbish is simply pathetic. I agree, but you try criticising Lewis Hamilton some day, and see how fast the racist card gets played. Most of the "criticism" that he received was for organising taking the knee over black lives matter. Not a topic that tends to generate reasoned discussion. Where else have you seen criticism of him being characterised as racist? I've criticised him as being a good driver blessed with a far superior vehicle for which I've been called racist. And I still stand by that opinion " That would be an ill judged characterisation if that were the case and you made the statement in those terms. All good drivers are flattered by superior vehicles. Somewhat obvious. | |||
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"Implying someone is being racist because they criticise a person of colour for being or doing something rubbish is simply pathetic. I agree, but you try criticising Lewis Hamilton some day, and see how fast the racist card gets played. Most of the "criticism" that he received was for organising taking the knee over black lives matter. Not a topic that tends to generate reasoned discussion. Where else have you seen criticism of him being characterised as racist? I've criticised him as being a good driver blessed with a far superior vehicle for which I've been called racist. And I still stand by that opinion That would be an ill judged characterisation if that were the case and you made the statement in those terms. All good drivers are flattered by superior vehicles. Somewhat obvious." Were you present? | |||
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"Implying someone is being racist because they criticise a person of colour for being or doing something rubbish is simply pathetic. I agree, but you try criticising Lewis Hamilton some day, and see how fast the racist card gets played. Most of the "criticism" that he received was for organising taking the knee over black lives matter. Not a topic that tends to generate reasoned discussion. Where else have you seen criticism of him being characterised as racist? I've criticised him as being a good driver blessed with a far superior vehicle for which I've been called racist. And I still stand by that opinion That would be an ill judged characterisation if that were the case and you made the statement in those terms. All good drivers are flattered by superior vehicles. Somewhat obvious. Were you present? " No, I was not present. Did I suggest that it didn't happen or just that I did not know what the circumstances were? Did I suggest that what you wrote was in any way racist or disagree with your opinion as stated? Have you observed or experienced many cases such as this, or was this isolated? | |||
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"Implying someone is being racist because they criticise a person of colour for being or doing something rubbish is simply pathetic. I agree, but you try criticising Lewis Hamilton some day, and see how fast the racist card gets played. Most of the "criticism" that he received was for organising taking the knee over black lives matter. Not a topic that tends to generate reasoned discussion. Where else have you seen criticism of him being characterised as racist? I've criticised him as being a good driver blessed with a far superior vehicle for which I've been called racist. And I still stand by that opinion That would be an ill judged characterisation if that were the case and you made the statement in those terms. All good drivers are flattered by superior vehicles. Somewhat obvious. Were you present? No, I was not present. Did I suggest that it didn't happen or just that I did not know what the circumstances were? Did I suggest that what you wrote was in any way racist or disagree with your opinion as stated? Have you observed or experienced many cases such as this, or was this isolated?" I've experienced many issues of this. Have you? | |||
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"Implying someone is being racist because they criticise a person of colour for being or doing something rubbish is simply pathetic. I agree, but you try criticising Lewis Hamilton some day, and see how fast the racist card gets played. Most of the "criticism" that he received was for organising taking the knee over black lives matter. Not a topic that tends to generate reasoned discussion. Where else have you seen criticism of him being characterised as racist? I've criticised him as being a good driver blessed with a far superior vehicle for which I've been called racist. And I still stand by that opinion That would be an ill judged characterisation if that were the case and you made the statement in those terms. All good drivers are flattered by superior vehicles. Somewhat obvious. Were you present? No, I was not present. Did I suggest that it didn't happen or just that I did not know what the circumstances were? Did I suggest that what you wrote was in any way racist or disagree with your opinion as stated? Have you observed or experienced many cases such as this, or was this isolated? I've experienced many issues of this. Have you?" I do not know why how you expressing your opinion in such measured terms frequently sees you termed a racist. I have never experienced any such reaction if a comment negatively about Lewis Hamilton's sporting performance or even his tax affairs. | |||
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"An opportunity for some to race on here and denigrate it to a type of criminality. Just like he did with Zahawi. Except this time, he's way out of step with the majority Eh? Comparing our first British Asian PM to a burglar? I'd say buy Analogies for Dummies, but I doubt they'd have such poor taste to put that in. You seem to have an indifference to Sunak and criminality analogies? What was it last week, knife crime? Are you saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown? I thought you were anti woke? I suggest you word that better. Because yes, 100% without doubt, unequivocally, I am saying people cannot make negative comments about someone because they are brown. I have no issue with people making negative comments about someone's actions because they are incompetent - whatever their colour. But there's no evidence this is an incompetent deal
You should know by now how the socialists function
Why are you:
A) Quoting something from near the beginning of the thread when there has been follow on discussions that elaborate on the points being raised?
B) Quoting a reply to me (not a Socialist) and trying to use it for your anti-socialist views?
Implying someone is being racist because they criticise a person of colour for being or doing something rubbish us simply pathetic. We should judge people by their actions and their ability. Personally I couldn’t care less about a person’s race.
If you are not a socialist why are you so triggered by a comment about socialists?
If it’s pathetic why waste your Precious time responding
Been very clear I am a centrist. Also clear that I do not accept implied racism so I will call it out. If that makes me “triggered” so be it!
Not sure where i called you a racist and I wasn’t even responding to a post from yourself!
"Re-read my A) and B) point above. You didn’t call me a racist but by quoting my post you were labelling me a Socialist and in the context of those posts that had implications. You then accused me if bring triggered so I then explained why that might be the case. For the record - nobody on here has called me racist. When I see implied racism against anyone I will call it out if I choose to (as is my prerogative). It is not racist to criticise a person of colour for their actions or ability. It would be racist if you make a link between their actions or ability and their race. What has been happening on this and other threads is poster A criticises a person of colour on their actions/ability then poster B makes a comment on the race of the person being criticised implying a link and ascribing that to the intent of poster A. That is implied racism and it is not acceptable and I will call that out! If that makes me triggered so be it! | |||
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"Cheshire here’s an idea... We draw a line now, today, after which we continue for a week (maybe two) where none of us mention race or ethnicity or gender or sexuality even once. We focus on the merits, achievements, ability, issues, scandals, propriety of all politicians treating them all as human beings and nothing more. We can then see what is actually being discussed rather than anyone attempting to imply or attribute it to anything other than those criteria. Can we do that? I'm trying my best
How are you doing on this? "You seem to have missed this question down there on the south coast? Attention to detail is something I think you'd like to pride yourself on. A few days on, how is this actually going? | |||
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"Cheshire here’s an idea... We draw a line now, today, after which we continue for a week (maybe two) where none of us mention race or ethnicity or gender or sexuality even once. We focus on the merits, achievements, ability, issues, scandals, propriety of all politicians treating them all as human beings and nothing more. We can then see what is actually being discussed rather than anyone attempting to imply or attribute it to anything other than those criteria. Can we do that? I'm trying my best
How are you doing on this?
You seem to have missed this question down there on the south coast? Attention to detail is something I think you'd like to pride yourself on.
A few days on, how is this actually going? "Hey Chesh ol buddy! I did miss that! Well I don’t believe there has been any reason to pick up anyone trying to play the race card or implied racism so that’s good. What about your good self? | |||
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"Cheshire here’s an idea... We draw a line now, today, after which we continue for a week (maybe two) where none of us mention race or ethnicity or gender or sexuality even once. We focus on the merits, achievements, ability, issues, scandals, propriety of all politicians treating them all as human beings and nothing more. We can then see what is actually being discussed rather than anyone attempting to imply or attribute it to anything other than those criteria. Can we do that? I'm trying my best
How are you doing on this?
You seem to have missed this question down there on the south coast? Attention to detail is something I think you'd like to pride yourself on.
A few days on, how is this actually going?
Hey Chesh ol buddy! I did miss that! Well I don’t believe there has been any reason to pick up anyone trying to play the race card or implied racism so that’s good.
What about your good self?"Hi hi! Well, I've been super strict on your proposition. Don't forget, it was to not 'mention race or ethnicity or gender or sexuality even once'. You've been opining frequently on the various asylum threads and the Iranian female thread, as though there's no tomorrow
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"Sunak's deal is still polishing a ties, although the improved diplomatic relations had potential. The latest immigration and threats of leaving the ECHR or breaking its terms could now waste what potential there was. He stepped to the centre and then had to rabble rouse for the extreme." Polishing a ties???? In any case, this is your opinion which is,of course, a minority opinion | |||
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"Sunak's deal is still polishing a ties, although the improved diplomatic relations had potential. The latest immigration and threats of leaving the ECHR or breaking its terms could now waste what potential there was. He stepped to the centre and then had to rabble rouse for the extreme. Polishing a ties???? In any case, this is your opinion which is,of course, a minority opinion " *Polishing a turd Although the old school tie is a theme. It is my opinion.You have no idea if it is a "minority opinion", do you? | |||
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"Sunak's deal is still polishing a ties, although the improved diplomatic relations had potential. The latest immigration and threats of leaving the ECHR or breaking its terms could now waste what potential there was. He stepped to the centre and then had to rabble rouse for the extreme. Polishing a ties???? In any case, this is your opinion which is,of course, a minority opinion *Polishing a turd Although the old school tie is a theme. It is my opinion.You have no idea if it is a "minority opinion", do you?" Brexit would suggest that it is. Do you have any other information to suggest otherwise? | |||
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"Sunak's deal is still polishing a ties, although the improved diplomatic relations had potential. The latest immigration and threats of leaving the ECHR or breaking its terms could now waste what potential there was. He stepped to the centre and then had to rabble rouse for the extreme. Polishing a ties???? In any case, this is your opinion which is,of course, a minority opinion *Polishing a turd Although the old school tie is a theme. It is my opinion.You have no idea if it is a "minority opinion", do you? Brexit would suggest that it is. Do you have any other information to suggest otherwise?" We are are many years after Brexit and the polling on its consequences would indicate otherwise. The fact that he has "got Brexit done" after someone had, apparently, already done it should indicate something to you. You can look up the polling data. | |||
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"Sunak's deal is still polishing a ties, although the improved diplomatic relations had potential. The latest immigration and threats of leaving the ECHR or breaking its terms could now waste what potential there was. He stepped to the centre and then had to rabble rouse for the extreme. Polishing a ties???? In any case, this is your opinion which is,of course, a minority opinion *Polishing a turd Although the old school tie is a theme. It is my opinion.You have no idea if it is a "minority opinion", do you? Brexit would suggest that it is. Do you have any other information to suggest otherwise? We are are many years after Brexit and the polling on its consequences would indicate otherwise. The fact that he has "got Brexit done" after someone had, apparently, already done it should indicate something to you. You can look up the polling data." What should it indicate to this "child" ???? | |||
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"Sunak's deal is still polishing a ties, although the improved diplomatic relations had potential. The latest immigration and threats of leaving the ECHR or breaking its terms could now waste what potential there was. He stepped to the centre and then had to rabble rouse for the extreme. Polishing a ties???? In any case, this is your opinion which is,of course, a minority opinion *Polishing a turd Although the old school tie is a theme. It is my opinion.You have no idea if it is a "minority opinion", do you? Brexit would suggest that it is. Do you have any other information to suggest otherwise? We are are many years after Brexit and the polling on its consequences would indicate otherwise. The fact that he has "got Brexit done" after someone had, apparently, already done it should indicate something to you. You can look up the polling data. What should it indicate to this "child" ????" I didn't start the name calling, did I? What should being told that that Brexit was done, twice, tell you? That somebody has been lying to your face. So why believe anything else that they promised you? | |||
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"Sunak's deal is still polishing a ties, although the improved diplomatic relations had potential. The latest immigration and threats of leaving the ECHR or breaking its terms could now waste what potential there was. He stepped to the centre and then had to rabble rouse for the extreme. Polishing a ties???? In any case, this is your opinion which is,of course, a minority opinion *Polishing a turd Although the old school tie is a theme. It is my opinion.You have no idea if it is a "minority opinion", do you? Brexit would suggest that it is. Do you have any other information to suggest otherwise? We are are many years after Brexit and the polling on its consequences would indicate otherwise. The fact that he has "got Brexit done" after someone had, apparently, already done it should indicate something to you. You can look up the polling data. What should it indicate to this "child" ???? I didn't start the name calling, did I? What should being told that that Brexit was done, twice, tell you? That somebody has been lying to your face. So why believe anything else that they promised you?" On a different thread you called me "child". I don't believe anything that the govt tells me but then I I don't believe a thing that the opposition tells me. As far as I am concerned the definition of politician is liar and therefore I have no allegiance unlike your good self | |||
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"Sunak's deal is still polishing a ties, although the improved diplomatic relations had potential. The latest immigration and threats of leaving the ECHR or breaking its terms could now waste what potential there was. He stepped to the centre and then had to rabble rouse for the extreme. Polishing a ties???? In any case, this is your opinion which is,of course, a minority opinion *Polishing a turd Although the old school tie is a theme. It is my opinion.You have no idea if it is a "minority opinion", do you? Brexit would suggest that it is. Do you have any other information to suggest otherwise? We are are many years after Brexit and the polling on its consequences would indicate otherwise. The fact that he has "got Brexit done" after someone had, apparently, already done it should indicate something to you. You can look up the polling data. What should it indicate to this "child" ???? I didn't start the name calling, did I? What should being told that that Brexit was done, twice, tell you? That somebody has been lying to your face. So why believe anything else that they promised you? On a different thread you called me "child". I don't believe anything that the govt tells me but then I I don't believe a thing that the opposition tells me. As far as I am concerned the definition of politician is liar and therefore I have no allegiance unlike your good self " I know. I called you a child because you were behaving like one by just being rude. You are perfectly aware of that. I don't have an allegiance. Yet another incorrect assumption from you. My current position is that this is the most corrupt and incompetent and genuinely uncaring and cynical run of administrations that I have experienced in my lifetime. All under the same party. | |||
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