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"What has this got to do with Brexit and obesity? The foods are fruit and veg! The reason for short supply is bad weather in Europe and Africa that has created a supply issue. " If food is rationed, you eat less and (hopefully) lose weight this helping the general fight against obesity. If you think that this has nothing to do with Brexit, you are deluded. There are no shortages of vegetables in EU supermarkets - NONE. Our "Morocco Trade Deal" is not worth anything if the Moroccans are supplying EU wholesalers ahead of UK wholesalers primarily because there is no direct transport link between Morocco and the UK. You had a choice to listen to Conservative spin or actually try to find out the truth. You chose the former. | |||
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"What has this got to do with Brexit and obesity? The foods are fruit and veg! The reason for short supply is bad weather in Europe and Africa that has created a supply issue. If food is rationed, you eat less and (hopefully) lose weight this helping the general fight against obesity. If you think that this has nothing to do with Brexit, you are deluded. There are no shortages of vegetables in EU supermarkets - NONE. Our "Morocco Trade Deal" is not worth anything if the Moroccans are supplying EU wholesalers ahead of UK wholesalers primarily because there is no direct transport link between Morocco and the UK. You had a choice to listen to Conservative spin or actually try to find out the truth. You chose the former. " I actually got the news on this from a left leaning paper article, but you do seem to know it all 
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"What has this got to do with Brexit and obesity? The foods are fruit and veg! The reason for short supply is bad weather in Europe and Africa that has created a supply issue. If food is rationed, you eat less and (hopefully) lose weight this helping the general fight against obesity. If you think that this has nothing to do with Brexit, you are deluded. There are no shortages of vegetables in EU supermarkets - NONE. Our "Morocco Trade Deal" is not worth anything if the Moroccans are supplying EU wholesalers ahead of UK wholesalers primarily because there is no direct transport link between Morocco and the UK. You had a choice to listen to Conservative spin or actually try to find out the truth. You chose the former. I actually got the news on this from a left leaning paper article, but you do seem to know it all
Tell me more about the benefits of not eating fresh fruit and veg and how it cures obesity, I'm all ears "You have heard of irony? It's iron with a y | |||
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"What has this got to do with Brexit and obesity? The foods are fruit and veg! The reason for short supply is bad weather in Europe and Africa that has created a supply issue. If food is rationed, you eat less and (hopefully) lose weight this helping the general fight against obesity. If you think that this has nothing to do with Brexit, you are deluded. There are no shortages of vegetables in EU supermarkets - NONE. Our "Morocco Trade Deal" is not worth anything if the Moroccans are supplying EU wholesalers ahead of UK wholesalers primarily because there is no direct transport link between Morocco and the UK. You had a choice to listen to Conservative spin or actually try to find out the truth. You chose the former. I actually got the news on this from a left leaning paper article, but you do seem to know it all
Tell me more about the benefits of not eating fresh fruit and veg and how it cures obesity, I'm all ears
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It's iron with a y"There was no irony in your post, you shoot from the hip so often you should be used to shooting yourself in the foot by now | |||
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"What has this got to do with Brexit and obesity? The foods are fruit and veg! The reason for short supply is bad weather in Europe and Africa that has created a supply issue. If food is rationed, you eat less and (hopefully) lose weight this helping the general fight against obesity. If you think that this has nothing to do with Brexit, you are deluded. There are no shortages of vegetables in EU supermarkets - NONE. Our "Morocco Trade Deal" is not worth anything if the Moroccans are supplying EU wholesalers ahead of UK wholesalers primarily because there is no direct transport link between Morocco and the UK. You had a choice to listen to Conservative spin or actually try to find out the truth. You chose the former. I actually got the news on this from a left leaning paper article, but you do seem to know it all
Tell me more about the benefits of not eating fresh fruit and veg and how it cures obesity, I'm all ears
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There was no irony in your post, you shoot from the hip so often you should be used to shooting yourself in the foot by now "I'm just trying to find Brexit benefits. If that isn't ironic in itself then perhaps it is simply oxymoronic. | |||
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"Personally I think that it is a good thing and will help the fight against obesity, which in turn will help the NHS. Every Brexit cloud has a silver lining - you just have to use your imagination to see it
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"Personally I think that it is a good thing and will help the fight against obesity, which in turn will help the NHS. Every Brexit cloud has a silver lining - you just have to use your imagination to see it
Obsessed much? "I am celebrating a Brexit benefit. Food rationing has to be a good thing right? | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws" But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. | |||
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"The bad weather in Spain and Morocco is only part of it. High energy prices have meant that some growers in The Netherlands have turned off the heating to their vast greenhouses. It's upto the supermarkets to resolve their supply issues. Rationing first, then higher prices before it all settles down." NFU is saying potatoes will be next. | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. " Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct" So why is it only the UK that has empty fruit and vegetable trays in supermarkets? Social Media is full of German, Portuguese and Spanish residents confirming (with picture and video evidence) that they are not suffering shortages. | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct So why is it only the UK that has empty fruit and vegetable trays in supermarkets? Social Media is full of German, Portuguese and Spanish residents confirming (with picture and video evidence) that they are not suffering shortages." I'm not going to pick through your snippets of news and put you straight.. You could however stop reading the news from the NFU who are trying to gain visibility during their conference.. The shortages are expected to last days not forever. | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct So why is it only the UK that has empty fruit and vegetable trays in supermarkets? Social Media is full of German, Portuguese and Spanish residents confirming (with picture and video evidence) that they are not suffering shortages. I'm not going to pick through your snippets of news and put you straight.. You could however stop reading the news from the NFU who are trying to gain visibility during their conference.. The shortages are expected to last days not forever. " No, God forbid you will try to look and think expansively in order to get a balanced and accurate view. Just stick with the news that confirms your bias. | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. " pmsl gaslighting you say so now the beeb and sky are fake news aswell, dont tell me you get your news from those bastions of truth twatter and tic toc | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. pmsl gaslighting you say so now the beeb and sky are fake news aswell, dont tell me you get your news from those bastions of truth twatter and tic toc" I have just returned from Lanzarote- the supermarkets were full. A friend of 35 years lives in Nerja - the supermarkets are full. A sailing buddy is Norweigan - the supermarkets are full. Our neighbours have a holiday home in France, they are there now - the supermarkets are full. | |||
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"Hate to say it but my friends across Europe are saying the same thing. Supermarkets operating as normal with fully stocked shelves of fresh fruit & veg. So SOMETHING is only impacting the UK supermarkets!" The reason it is particularly bad here is we rely on 95% of our fruit and vegetables to be imported, and the yield across North Africa and Europe is down over 40%. Green houses have been turned off because of high energy costs. Putting the bad weather into perspective, they have had severe frosts and hail in Morocco, wiping out crops. It will bounce back once the European countries such as Italy start producing in the next few weeks. This has nothing to do with Brexit, unless you want desperately to make a noise for attention | |||
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"Hate to say it but my friends across Europe are saying the same thing. Supermarkets operating as normal with fully stocked shelves of fresh fruit & veg. So SOMETHING is only impacting the UK supermarkets! The reason it is particularly bad here is we rely on 95% of our fruit and vegetables to be imported, and the yield across North Africa and Europe is down over 40%. Green houses have been turned off because of high energy costs. Putting the bad weather into perspective, they have had severe frosts and hail in Morocco, wiping out crops. It will bounce back once the European countries such as Italy start producing in the next few weeks. This has nothing to do with Brexit, unless you want desperately to make a noise for attention " We rely on 95% imports during the winter. | |||
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"Hate to say it but my friends across Europe are saying the same thing. Supermarkets operating as normal with fully stocked shelves of fresh fruit & veg. So SOMETHING is only impacting the UK supermarkets! The reason it is particularly bad here is we rely on 95% of our fruit and vegetables to be imported, and the yield across North Africa and Europe is down over 40%. Green houses have been turned off because of high energy costs. Putting the bad weather into perspective, they have had severe frosts and hail in Morocco, wiping out crops. It will bounce back once the European countries such as Italy start producing in the next few weeks. This has nothing to do with Brexit, unless you want desperately to make a noise for attention We rely on 95% imports during the winter." If we rely on 95% fruit and veg imports over winter and we have made it more difficult for EU suppliers to “export” into the U.K.…. Why do you think that U.K. supermarket shelves are lacking fruit and veg whereas European supermarkets are not? | |||
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"Hate to say it but my friends across Europe are saying the same thing. Supermarkets operating as normal with fully stocked shelves of fresh fruit & veg. So SOMETHING is only impacting the UK supermarkets! The reason it is particularly bad here is we rely on 95% of our fruit and vegetables to be imported, and the yield across North Africa and Europe is down over 40%. Green houses have been turned off because of high energy costs. Putting the bad weather into perspective, they have had severe frosts and hail in Morocco, wiping out crops. It will bounce back once the European countries such as Italy start producing in the next few weeks. This has nothing to do with Brexit, unless you want desperately to make a noise for attention We rely on 95% imports during the winter. If we rely on 95% fruit and veg imports over winter and we have made it more difficult for EU suppliers to “export” into the U.K.…. Why do you think that U.K. supermarket shelves are lacking fruit and veg whereas European supermarkets are not? " Oh please.... Why have we not run out until now? As the paperwork become an issue over the last couple of weeks The supermarkets run the procurement, they need to get it in order, which I believe they are working on. | |||
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"Personally I think that it is a good thing and will help the fight against obesity, which in turn will help the NHS. Every Brexit cloud has a silver lining - you just have to use your imagination to see it
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"Can we ration sprouts? I hate sprouts." I think sprouts are the 5% of veg we grow here in the winter, sorry they are staying and you had better get creative, may be freeze them and use them as subbuteo balls
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" Oh please.... Why have we not run out until now? As the paperwork become an issue over the last couple of weeks The supermarkets run the procurement, they need to get it in order, which I believe they are working on."It can be quite cathartic you know... to just admit that maybe you might be wrong. If the shortages are due to supply chain limitations - then that is a well-documented Brexit issue caused by staff shortages. If the shortages are due to a weather event in Spain (or Morocco), but those same shortages are not happening in Europe then that can only be a Brexit-related issue. There is no logical reason other than Brexit as to why there are shortages in the UK and nowhere else. | |||
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"What has this got to do with Brexit and obesity? The foods are fruit and veg! The reason for short supply is bad weather in Europe and Africa that has created a supply issue. " A remoaner will link anything to brexit | |||
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"What has this got to do with Brexit and obesity? The foods are fruit and veg! The reason for short supply is bad weather in Europe and Africa that has created a supply issue. A remoaner will link anything to brexit " What's a remoaner? Oh do you mean a remainer? I often slip with typos, too. You realise there aren't any remainers anymore, don't you? | |||
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" Oh please.... Why have we not run out until now? As the paperwork become an issue over the last couple of weeks The supermarkets run the procurement, they need to get it in order, which I believe they are working on.
It can be quite cathartic you know... to just admit that maybe you might be wrong.
If the shortages are due to supply chain limitations - then that is a well-documented Brexit issue caused by staff shortages.
If the shortages are due to a weather event in Spain (or Morocco), but those same shortages are not happening in Europe then that can only be a Brexit-related issue.
There is no logical reason other than Brexit as to why there are shortages in the UK and nowhere else.
"I'm not sure what you're saying. The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco? So they same deal they had with the EU? The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't? If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal. I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said. | |||
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"Here we go remoaner banging on " They love it , still having tantrums like children since they lost the vote.. It’s pathetic | |||
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" Oh please.... Why have we not run out until now? As the paperwork become an issue over the last couple of weeks The supermarkets run the procurement, they need to get it in order, which I believe they are working on.
It can be quite cathartic you know... to just admit that maybe you might be wrong.
If the shortages are due to supply chain limitations - then that is a well-documented Brexit issue caused by staff shortages.
If the shortages are due to a weather event in Spain (or Morocco), but those same shortages are not happening in Europe then that can only be a Brexit-related issue.
There is no logical reason other than Brexit as to why there are shortages in the UK and nowhere else.
I'm not sure what you're saying.
The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco?
So they same deal they had with the EU?
The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't?
If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal.
I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said."Typos aplenty there but you should get it | |||
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"Here we go remoaner banging on They love it , still having tantrums like children since they lost the vote.. It’s pathetic " Who's a remoaner? A remainer, I mean. See I'm slipping with typos too now. | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct" That’s not how socialists think.... | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think...." Who are these socialists & how do they think? | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think?" Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions? | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think? Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions?" I'm simply asking questions to see if they'll answer. Interaction is how the forum works. | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think? Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions? I'm simply asking questions to see if they'll answer. Interaction is how the forum works." I know how a forum works but singling out one person rather than actually getting involved in the topic is pathetic. I haven't seen you interact with this person other than to ask questions after question. Not sure why im surprised tbh | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think? Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions? I'm simply asking questions to see if they'll answer. Interaction is how the forum works. I know how a forum works but singling out one person rather than actually getting involved in the topic is pathetic. I haven't seen you interact with this person other than to ask questions after question. Not sure why im surprised tbh" I did comment on the thread topic. I am also interacting with you. And, as far as I'm aware, asking questions on here is allowed. It feels like you're cherry picking because you clearly don't like me. | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think? Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions? I'm simply asking questions to see if they'll answer. Interaction is how the forum works. I know how a forum works but singling out one person rather than actually getting involved in the topic is pathetic. I haven't seen you interact with this person other than to ask questions after question. Not sure why im surprised tbh I did comment on the thread topic. I am also interacting with you. And, as far as I'm aware, asking questions on here is allowed. It feels like you're cherry picking because you clearly don't like me." You sarcastically made a comment about the topic and Brexit. If you call that interacting then you keep doing you. I've told you before that you're behaviour is childish, it's not that I don't like you, I don't know you. It's just that I think your behaviour in the forums is childish. | |||
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"I love me a good old Brexit bashing thread as much as the next remainer. I think this is a little more nuanced than just solely blaming Brexit. Once these toxic death (poly) tunnels get back up and running with their almost indentured labourers people will get the cheap tomatoes again. Until then sit tight and have to make do. Ps fuck Brexit "I doubt any1 thinks this is just Brexit. But it's hard to swallow the idea Brexit has had no effect on these food shortages in any way. | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think? Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions? I'm simply asking questions to see if they'll answer. Interaction is how the forum works. I know how a forum works but singling out one person rather than actually getting involved in the topic is pathetic. I haven't seen you interact with this person other than to ask questions after question. Not sure why im surprised tbh I did comment on the thread topic. I am also interacting with you. And, as far as I'm aware, asking questions on here is allowed. It feels like you're cherry picking because you clearly don't like me. You sarcastically made a comment about the topic and Brexit. If you call that interacting then you keep doing you. I've told you before that you're behaviour is childish, it's not that I don't like you, I don't know you. It's just that I think your behaviour in the forums is childish." Why are you responding to my every comment here? Hmmm? | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think? Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions? I'm simply asking questions to see if they'll answer. Interaction is how the forum works. I know how a forum works but singling out one person rather than actually getting involved in the topic is pathetic. I haven't seen you interact with this person other than to ask questions after question. Not sure why im surprised tbh I did comment on the thread topic. I am also interacting with you. And, as far as I'm aware, asking questions on here is allowed. It feels like you're cherry picking because you clearly don't like me. You sarcastically made a comment about the topic and Brexit. If you call that interacting then you keep doing you. I've told you before that you're behaviour is childish, it's not that I don't like you, I don't know you. It's just that I think your behaviour in the forums is childish. Why are you responding to my every comment here? Hmmm? " I responded to one and then it's been a conversation. Would you prefer I ignored your responses? I was always taught not to ignore people | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think? Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions? I'm simply asking questions to see if they'll answer. Interaction is how the forum works. I know how a forum works but singling out one person rather than actually getting involved in the topic is pathetic. I haven't seen you interact with this person other than to ask questions after question. Not sure why im surprised tbh I did comment on the thread topic. I am also interacting with you. And, as far as I'm aware, asking questions on here is allowed. It feels like you're cherry picking because you clearly don't like me. You sarcastically made a comment about the topic and Brexit. If you call that interacting then you keep doing you. I've told you before that you're behaviour is childish, it's not that I don't like you, I don't know you. It's just that I think your behaviour in the forums is childish. Why are you responding to my every comment here? Hmmm? I responded to one and then it's been a conversation. Would you prefer I ignored your responses? I was always taught not to ignore people "I was highlighting your pointed comment to me when you started this pointless back & forth. Possibly you missed the irony. Ah well, what a shame. Back to the topic, if any1 cares. | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think? Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions? I'm simply asking questions to see if they'll answer. Interaction is how the forum works. I know how a forum works but singling out one person rather than actually getting involved in the topic is pathetic. I haven't seen you interact with this person other than to ask questions after question. Not sure why im surprised tbh I did comment on the thread topic. I am also interacting with you. And, as far as I'm aware, asking questions on here is allowed. It feels like you're cherry picking because you clearly don't like me. You sarcastically made a comment about the topic and Brexit. If you call that interacting then you keep doing you. I've told you before that you're behaviour is childish, it's not that I don't like you, I don't know you. It's just that I think your behaviour in the forums is childish. Why are you responding to my every comment here? Hmmm? I responded to one and then it's been a conversation. Would you prefer I ignored your responses? I was always taught not to ignore people
I was highlighting your pointed comment to me when you started this pointless back & forth. Possibly you missed the irony. Ah well, what a shame.
Back to the topic, if any1 cares.
"I missed the irony that wasn't there?
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think? Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions? I'm simply asking questions to see if they'll answer. Interaction is how the forum works. I know how a forum works but singling out one person rather than actually getting involved in the topic is pathetic. I haven't seen you interact with this person other than to ask questions after question. Not sure why im surprised tbh I did comment on the thread topic. I am also interacting with you. And, as far as I'm aware, asking questions on here is allowed. It feels like you're cherry picking because you clearly don't like me. You sarcastically made a comment about the topic and Brexit. If you call that interacting then you keep doing you. I've told you before that you're behaviour is childish, it's not that I don't like you, I don't know you. It's just that I think your behaviour in the forums is childish. Why are you responding to my every comment here? Hmmm? I responded to one and then it's been a conversation. Would you prefer I ignored your responses? I was always taught not to ignore people
I was highlighting your pointed comment to me when you started this pointless back & forth. Possibly you missed the irony. Ah well, what a shame.
Back to the topic, if any1 cares.
I missed the irony that wasn't there?
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think? Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions? I'm simply asking questions to see if they'll answer. Interaction is how the forum works. I know how a forum works but singling out one person rather than actually getting involved in the topic is pathetic. I haven't seen you interact with this person other than to ask questions after question. Not sure why im surprised tbh I did comment on the thread topic. I am also interacting with you. And, as far as I'm aware, asking questions on here is allowed. It feels like you're cherry picking because you clearly don't like me. You sarcastically made a comment about the topic and Brexit. If you call that interacting then you keep doing you. I've told you before that you're behaviour is childish, it's not that I don't like you, I don't know you. It's just that I think your behaviour in the forums is childish. Why are you responding to my every comment here? Hmmm? I responded to one and then it's been a conversation. Would you prefer I ignored your responses? I was always taught not to ignore people
I was highlighting your pointed comment to me when you started this pointless back & forth. Possibly you missed the irony. Ah well, what a shame.
Back to the topic, if any1 cares.
I missed the irony that wasn't there?
Back to the topic
More like you don't want to admit you were hoisted by your own petard.
Potayto potato etc..."Come back to me when you understand the meaning of irony... Until then, back to the topic  | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think? Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions? I'm simply asking questions to see if they'll answer. Interaction is how the forum works. I know how a forum works but singling out one person rather than actually getting involved in the topic is pathetic. I haven't seen you interact with this person other than to ask questions after question. Not sure why im surprised tbh I did comment on the thread topic. I am also interacting with you. And, as far as I'm aware, asking questions on here is allowed. It feels like you're cherry picking because you clearly don't like me. You sarcastically made a comment about the topic and Brexit. If you call that interacting then you keep doing you. I've told you before that you're behaviour is childish, it's not that I don't like you, I don't know you. It's just that I think your behaviour in the forums is childish. Why are you responding to my every comment here? Hmmm? I responded to one and then it's been a conversation. Would you prefer I ignored your responses? I was always taught not to ignore people
I was highlighting your pointed comment to me when you started this pointless back & forth. Possibly you missed the irony. Ah well, what a shame.
Back to the topic, if any1 cares.
I missed the irony that wasn't there?
Back to the topic
More like you don't want to admit you were hoisted by your own petard.
Potayto potato etc...
Come back to me when you understand the meaning of irony...
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think? Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions? I'm simply asking questions to see if they'll answer. Interaction is how the forum works. I know how a forum works but singling out one person rather than actually getting involved in the topic is pathetic. I haven't seen you interact with this person other than to ask questions after question. Not sure why im surprised tbh I did comment on the thread topic. I am also interacting with you. And, as far as I'm aware, asking questions on here is allowed. It feels like you're cherry picking because you clearly don't like me. You sarcastically made a comment about the topic and Brexit. If you call that interacting then you keep doing you. I've told you before that you're behaviour is childish, it's not that I don't like you, I don't know you. It's just that I think your behaviour in the forums is childish. Why are you responding to my every comment here? Hmmm? I responded to one and then it's been a conversation. Would you prefer I ignored your responses? I was always taught not to ignore people
I was highlighting your pointed comment to me when you started this pointless back & forth. Possibly you missed the irony. Ah well, what a shame.
Back to the topic, if any1 cares.
I missed the irony that wasn't there?
Back to the topic
More like you don't want to admit you were hoisted by your own petard.
Potayto potato etc...
Come back to me when you understand the meaning of irony...
Until then, back to the topic
You know... you could simply have admitted I had a point that you were criticising me for something you then ended up doing to me. It might have been quicker & easier than all this."I didn't respond to your every post with playground questions. Which is what I accused you of. You could simply accept that instead of trying to draw a parallel that doesn't exist. | |||
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I was highlighting your pointed comment to me when you started this pointless back & forth. Possibly you missed the irony. Ah well, what a shame.
Back to the topic, if any1 cares.
I missed the irony that wasn't there?
Back to the topic
More like you don't want to admit you were hoisted by your own petard.
Potayto potato etc...
Come back to me when you understand the meaning of irony...
Until then, back to the topic
You know... you could simply have admitted I had a point that you were criticising me for something you then ended up doing to me. It might have been quicker & easier than all this.
I didn't respond to your every post with playground questions. Which is what I accused you of.
You could simply accept that instead of trying to draw a parallel that doesn't exist."You did respond to my every comment here, on & on & on. You're trying to deflect & bog this down in semantics now. You called it playground. I didn't. Potayto potato again. My point stands, even though you don't want to admit it. Please just give it a rest for now. You're derailing this thread with pointlessness. | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think? Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions? I'm simply asking questions to see if they'll answer. Interaction is how the forum works. I know how a forum works but singling out one person rather than actually getting involved in the topic is pathetic. I haven't seen you interact with this person other than to ask questions after question. Not sure why im surprised tbh I did comment on the thread topic. I am also interacting with you. And, as far as I'm aware, asking questions on here is allowed. It feels like you're cherry picking because you clearly don't like me. You sarcastically made a comment about the topic and Brexit. If you call that interacting then you keep doing you. I've told you before that you're behaviour is childish, it's not that I don't like you, I don't know you. It's just that I think your behaviour in the forums is childish. Why are you responding to my every comment here? Hmmm? I responded to one and then it's been a conversation. Would you prefer I ignored your responses? I was always taught not to ignore people
I was highlighting your pointed comment to me when you started this pointless back & forth. Possibly you missed the irony. Ah well, what a shame.
Back to the topic, if any1 cares.
I missed the irony that wasn't there?
Back to the topic
More like you don't want to admit you were hoisted by your own petard.
Potayto potato etc...
Come back to me when you understand the meaning of irony...
Until then, back to the topic
You know... you could simply have admitted I had a point that you were criticising me for something you then ended up doing to me. It might have been quicker & easier than all this.
I didn't respond to your every post with playground questions. Which is what I accused you of.
You could simply accept that instead of trying to draw a parallel that doesn't exist.
You did respond to my every comment here, on & on & on. You're trying to deflect & bog this down in semantics now. You called it playground. I didn't. Potayto potato again.
My point stands, even though you don't want to admit it.
Please just give it a rest for now. You're derailing this thread with pointlessness.
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I did not respond to your every post without response, it isn't the same thing. As much as you'd like it to be.
You don't need to keep trying to get the last word in, if you'd like for it to be 'given a rest' then all you need to do is stop.
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"The bbc are not normally shy of blaming brexit on anything but even they say it is unlikely to be a factor in this. They say it is bad weather on the continent and even Morocco with storms causing delays to shipping what they do have. Farmers abroad changing what they grow to save on the high electricity prices and bad weather in UK affecting local produce. Also the mention Ireland are also affected" Actually, the BBC have gone out of their way to avoid mentioning Brexit as much as possible for years. To the point it wouldn't surprise if if somebody high up cut the word Brexit wherever they reckoned they could get away with it. | |||
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"The bbc are not normally shy of blaming brexit on anything but even they say it is unlikely to be a factor in this. They say it is bad weather on the continent and even Morocco with storms causing delays to shipping what they do have. Farmers abroad changing what they grow to save on the high electricity prices and bad weather in UK affecting local produce. Also the mention Ireland are also affected So what exactly is it that is starving U.K. supermarkets of choice, quality and basic supply of fresh fruit and vegetables? And why at the first whiff of a problem does the U.K. side of anything (and everything) buckle? What is it that is so unique about the U.K. that makes us so vulnerable?" 95% of fruit and veg are imports in the winter... blimey it is hard work with you | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct That’s not how socialists think.... Who are these socialists & how do they think? Why are you responding to their every post with playground questions?" Because that is the mindset of some of the folk on here | |||
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"The bbc are not normally shy of blaming brexit on anything but even they say it is unlikely to be a factor in this. They say it is bad weather on the continent and even Morocco with storms causing delays to shipping what they do have. Farmers abroad changing what they grow to save on the high electricity prices and bad weather in UK affecting local produce. Also the mention Ireland are also affected So what exactly is it that is starving U.K. supermarkets of choice, quality and basic supply of fresh fruit and vegetables? And why at the first whiff of a problem does the U.K. side of anything (and everything) buckle? What is it that is so unique about the U.K. that makes us so vulnerable? 95% of fruit and veg are imports in the winter... blimey it is hard work with you" And a little more reality for you here.. The soaring cost of energy, and fertiliser also derived from gas, has put British growers off planting tomatoes in glasshouses over winter, which need light and heat, said Phil Pearson, group development director at APS Produce. The delayed start to the growing cycle means it will be another two months before most British tomatoes are ready for picking, he told Sky News during the National Farmers' Union conference in Birmingham. This year we have "grown later to try to recover some value because everybody's been squeezed on prices - not just for energy, but fertiliser, labour, everything has gone up," he said. Direct from the very union meeting you were quoting this morning | |||
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"The bbc are not normally shy of blaming brexit on anything but even they say it is unlikely to be a factor in this. They say it is bad weather on the continent and even Morocco with storms causing delays to shipping what they do have. Farmers abroad changing what they grow to save on the high electricity prices and bad weather in UK affecting local produce. Also the mention Ireland are also affected So what exactly is it that is starving U.K. supermarkets of choice, quality and basic supply of fresh fruit and vegetables? And why at the first whiff of a problem does the U.K. side of anything (and everything) buckle? What is it that is so unique about the U.K. that makes us so vulnerable?" Any chance of addressing my post further up? | |||
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"The bbc are not normally shy of blaming brexit on anything but even they say it is unlikely to be a factor in this. They say it is bad weather on the continent and even Morocco with storms causing delays to shipping what they do have. Farmers abroad changing what they grow to save on the high electricity prices and bad weather in UK affecting local produce. Also the mention Ireland are also affected So what exactly is it that is starving U.K. supermarkets of choice, quality and basic supply of fresh fruit and vegetables? And why at the first whiff of a problem does the U.K. side of anything (and everything) buckle? What is it that is so unique about the U.K. that makes us so vulnerable? 95% of fruit and veg are imports in the winter... blimey it is hard work with you And a little more reality for you here.. The soaring cost of energy, and fertiliser also derived from gas, has put British growers off planting tomatoes in glasshouses over winter, which need light and heat, said Phil Pearson, group development director at APS Produce. The delayed start to the growing cycle means it will be another two months before most British tomatoes are ready for picking, he told Sky News during the National Farmers' Union conference in Birmingham. This year we have "grown later to try to recover some value because everybody's been squeezed on prices - not just for energy, but fertiliser, labour, everything has gone up," he said. Direct from the very union meeting you were quoting this morning "Why do you keep ignoring the elephant in the room? Why can’t you just accept that Brexit has affected both our ability to weather shock events and it has affected the U.K. supply chain. It’s ok and quite cathartic to be honest about things and it will help you rationalise what is going on. Fact - we have a shortage of some fruit and veg at the moment and we keep having from time to time supply chain related shortages. Fact - this happened much less often Pre 2020 and it is not happening now in the EU at all where there are bountiful supplies and choice of fresh fruit and veg. These are not points of debate, they are simple statements of truth. The only question is why is this happening only in the U.K.? | |||
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"The bbc are not normally shy of blaming brexit on anything but even they say it is unlikely to be a factor in this. They say it is bad weather on the continent and even Morocco with storms causing delays to shipping what they do have. Farmers abroad changing what they grow to save on the high electricity prices and bad weather in UK affecting local produce. Also the mention Ireland are also affected So what exactly is it that is starving U.K. supermarkets of choice, quality and basic supply of fresh fruit and vegetables? And why at the first whiff of a problem does the U.K. side of anything (and everything) buckle? What is it that is so unique about the U.K. that makes us so vulnerable? 95% of fruit and veg are imports in the winter... blimey it is hard work with you And a little more reality for you here.. The soaring cost of energy, and fertiliser also derived from gas, has put British growers off planting tomatoes in glasshouses over winter, which need light and heat, said Phil Pearson, group development director at APS Produce. The delayed start to the growing cycle means it will be another two months before most British tomatoes are ready for picking, he told Sky News during the National Farmers' Union conference in Birmingham. This year we have "grown later to try to recover some value because everybody's been squeezed on prices - not just for energy, but fertiliser, labour, everything has gone up," he said. Direct from the very union meeting you were quoting this morning
Why do you keep ignoring the elephant in the room?
Why can’t you just accept that Brexit has affected both our ability to weather shock events and it has affected the U.K. supply chain.
It’s ok and quite cathartic to be honest about things and it will help you rationalise what is going on.
Fact - we have a shortage of some fruit and veg at the moment and we keep having from time to time supply chain related shortages.
Fact - this happened much less often Pre 2020 and it is not happening now in the EU at all where there are bountiful supplies and choice of fresh fruit and veg.
These are not points of debate, they are simple statements of truth. The only question is why is this happening only in the U.K.?"Yes there are shortages of some fruit and veg but what do you expect when arable land is constantly built upon for housing needs? Also, it would help if out of work benefits were less so as to encourage the workshy to do the jobs that we seem to rely upon cheap foreign labour to do. | |||
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"The bbc are not normally shy of blaming brexit on anything but even they say it is unlikely to be a factor in this. They say it is bad weather on the continent and even Morocco with storms causing delays to shipping what they do have. Farmers abroad changing what they grow to save on the high electricity prices and bad weather in UK affecting local produce. Also the mention Ireland are also affected So what exactly is it that is starving U.K. supermarkets of choice, quality and basic supply of fresh fruit and vegetables? And why at the first whiff of a problem does the U.K. side of anything (and everything) buckle? What is it that is so unique about the U.K. that makes us so vulnerable? 95% of fruit and veg are imports in the winter... blimey it is hard work with you And a little more reality for you here.. The soaring cost of energy, and fertiliser also derived from gas, has put British growers off planting tomatoes in glasshouses over winter, which need light and heat, said Phil Pearson, group development director at APS Produce. The delayed start to the growing cycle means it will be another two months before most British tomatoes are ready for picking, he told Sky News during the National Farmers' Union conference in Birmingham. This year we have "grown later to try to recover some value because everybody's been squeezed on prices - not just for energy, but fertiliser, labour, everything has gone up," he said. Direct from the very union meeting you were quoting this morning
Why do you keep ignoring the elephant in the room?
Why can’t you just accept that Brexit has affected both our ability to weather shock events and it has affected the U.K. supply chain.
It’s ok and quite cathartic to be honest about things and it will help you rationalise what is going on.
Fact - we have a shortage of some fruit and veg at the moment and we keep having from time to time supply chain related shortages.
Fact - this happened much less often Pre 2020 and it is not happening now in the EU at all where there are bountiful supplies and choice of fresh fruit and veg.
These are not points of debate, they are simple statements of truth. The only question is why is this happening only in the U.K.?"You do have a militant way about you, it suits you. For your info, I wanted to remain, I loved being part of the EU. But I'm also an open minded person who can see things for what they are, if this was down to brexit I would be banging the drum, as you can see I have no drum.... toodles for now | |||
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"The bbc are not normally shy of blaming brexit on anything but even they say it is unlikely to be a factor in this. They say it is bad weather on the continent and even Morocco with storms causing delays to shipping what they do have. Farmers abroad changing what they grow to save on the high electricity prices and bad weather in UK affecting local produce. Also the mention Ireland are also affected So what exactly is it that is starving U.K. supermarkets of choice, quality and basic supply of fresh fruit and vegetables? And why at the first whiff of a problem does the U.K. side of anything (and everything) buckle? What is it that is so unique about the U.K. that makes us so vulnerable? 95% of fruit and veg are imports in the winter... blimey it is hard work with you And a little more reality for you here.. The soaring cost of energy, and fertiliser also derived from gas, has put British growers off planting tomatoes in glasshouses over winter, which need light and heat, said Phil Pearson, group development director at APS Produce. The delayed start to the growing cycle means it will be another two months before most British tomatoes are ready for picking, he told Sky News during the National Farmers' Union conference in Birmingham. This year we have "grown later to try to recover some value because everybody's been squeezed on prices - not just for energy, but fertiliser, labour, everything has gone up," he said. Direct from the very union meeting you were quoting this morning
Why do you keep ignoring the elephant in the room?
Why can’t you just accept that Brexit has affected both our ability to weather shock events and it has affected the U.K. supply chain.
It’s ok and quite cathartic to be honest about things and it will help you rationalise what is going on.
Fact - we have a shortage of some fruit and veg at the moment and we keep having from time to time supply chain related shortages.
Fact - this happened much less often Pre 2020 and it is not happening now in the EU at all where there are bountiful supplies and choice of fresh fruit and veg.
These are not points of debate, they are simple statements of truth. The only question is why is this happening only in the U.K.?
Yes there are shortages of some fruit and veg but what do you expect when arable land is constantly built upon for housing needs? Also, it would help if out of work benefits were less so as to encourage the workshy to do the jobs that we seem to rely upon cheap foreign labour to do. "A few minutes spent on Google Earth will show there is plenty of arable land in the UK. | |||
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"I can predict the future. Every little calamity is going to be blamed in Brexit. "Well Brexiters keep telling everyone this is a long term project and we need to wait at least 10/20/50 years to see and start reaping the benefits. So...until then it is all the fault of Brexit yes | |||
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"The bbc are not normally shy of blaming brexit on anything but even they say it is unlikely to be a factor in this. They say it is bad weather on the continent and even Morocco with storms causing delays to shipping what they do have. Farmers abroad changing what they grow to save on the high electricity prices and bad weather in UK affecting local produce. Also the mention Ireland are also affected So what exactly is it that is starving U.K. supermarkets of choice, quality and basic supply of fresh fruit and vegetables? And why at the first whiff of a problem does the U.K. side of anything (and everything) buckle? What is it that is so unique about the U.K. that makes us so vulnerable? 95% of fruit and veg are imports in the winter... blimey it is hard work with you And a little more reality for you here.. The soaring cost of energy, and fertiliser also derived from gas, has put British growers off planting tomatoes in glasshouses over winter, which need light and heat, said Phil Pearson, group development director at APS Produce. The delayed start to the growing cycle means it will be another two months before most British tomatoes are ready for picking, he told Sky News during the National Farmers' Union conference in Birmingham. This year we have "grown later to try to recover some value because everybody's been squeezed on prices - not just for energy, but fertiliser, labour, everything has gone up," he said. Direct from the very union meeting you were quoting this morning
Why do you keep ignoring the elephant in the room?
Why can’t you just accept that Brexit has affected both our ability to weather shock events and it has affected the U.K. supply chain.
It’s ok and quite cathartic to be honest about things and it will help you rationalise what is going on.
Fact - we have a shortage of some fruit and veg at the moment and we keep having from time to time supply chain related shortages.
Fact - this happened much less often Pre 2020 and it is not happening now in the EU at all where there are bountiful supplies and choice of fresh fruit and veg.
These are not points of debate, they are simple statements of truth. The only question is why is this happening only in the U.K.?
Yes there are shortages of some fruit and veg but what do you expect when arable land is constantly built upon for housing needs? Also, it would help if out of work benefits were less so as to encourage the workshy to do the jobs that we seem to rely upon cheap foreign labour to do. "Where in the U.K. would we grow tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers etc to harvest in February? Maybe in greenhouses that require heat and light? Bit of a problem though when the Government does not see food security as an issue and therefore is unwilling to control energy costs for producers. | |||
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"The bbc are not normally shy of blaming brexit on anything but even they say it is unlikely to be a factor in this. They say it is bad weather on the continent and even Morocco with storms causing delays to shipping what they do have. Farmers abroad changing what they grow to save on the high electricity prices and bad weather in UK affecting local produce. Also the mention Ireland are also affected So what exactly is it that is starving U.K. supermarkets of choice, quality and basic supply of fresh fruit and vegetables? And why at the first whiff of a problem does the U.K. side of anything (and everything) buckle? What is it that is so unique about the U.K. that makes us so vulnerable? 95% of fruit and veg are imports in the winter... blimey it is hard work with you And a little more reality for you here.. The soaring cost of energy, and fertiliser also derived from gas, has put British growers off planting tomatoes in glasshouses over winter, which need light and heat, said Phil Pearson, group development director at APS Produce. The delayed start to the growing cycle means it will be another two months before most British tomatoes are ready for picking, he told Sky News during the National Farmers' Union conference in Birmingham. This year we have "grown later to try to recover some value because everybody's been squeezed on prices - not just for energy, but fertiliser, labour, everything has gone up," he said. Direct from the very union meeting you were quoting this morning
Why do you keep ignoring the elephant in the room?
Why can’t you just accept that Brexit has affected both our ability to weather shock events and it has affected the U.K. supply chain.
It’s ok and quite cathartic to be honest about things and it will help you rationalise what is going on.
Fact - we have a shortage of some fruit and veg at the moment and we keep having from time to time supply chain related shortages.
Fact - this happened much less often Pre 2020 and it is not happening now in the EU at all where there are bountiful supplies and choice of fresh fruit and veg.
These are not points of debate, they are simple statements of truth. The only question is why is this happening only in the U.K.?
Yes there are shortages of some fruit and veg but what do you expect when arable land is constantly built upon for housing needs? Also, it would help if out of work benefits were less so as to encourage the workshy to do the jobs that we seem to rely upon cheap foreign labour to do.
A few minutes spent on Google Earth will show there is plenty of arable land in the UK."Anyone flying out of or into the U.K. by air can also see this. Then again… None so blind as those who do not want to see. | |||
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"I saw a news piece tonight, where several experts gave their opinions, a few of which have been touched on above. Europe is not suffering such a severe shortage, as they pay more, and the producers now have their pick on who to sell to. The UK also has a social media frenzy mentality. Remember pasta and toilet rolls? There is now an element of this, hence supermarket rationing. As the UK is 95% dependent on imports of foodstuffs like tomatoes and peppers, then the supply chain is very fragile. Even a small event, like a ferry being cancelled, can have an larger impact further down the line. When a problem is highlighted, then its good to read up and research. I wasn't even aware of last year's vast seasonal weather changes, and their impact on sowing times, until an expert pointed it out earlier. Many expert views but strangely, not one of them mentioned Brexit? " Ready yourself for the usual suspects | |||
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"Here we go remoaner banging on They love it , still having tantrums like children since they lost the vote.. It’s pathetic Who's a remoaner? A remainer, I mean. See I'm slipping with typos too now. You come across as the worse type of “ remoaner “ you voted remain in 2016 and you haven’t stopped moaning ever since like a petulant child stomping their feet because they didn’t get their own way . " Remoaner is rather a petulant insult. Highly ironic since you're accusing me of being petulant. Setting that pathetic insult aside, you seem to be implying I'm a remainer. I'm not. I was a remainer before Brexit. Now being a remainer is impossible. Logic. On to the Brexit talk. I actually care about this country. That's why I talk about the shitstorm that is Brexit instead of ignoring it & pretending all is well. This thing is unlikely to go away or improve unless we seek ways to improve it. Sticking our fingers in our ears and singing la la la v loudly is unlikely to help. | |||
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" Oh please.... Why have we not run out until now? As the paperwork become an issue over the last couple of weeks The supermarkets run the procurement, they need to get it in order, which I believe they are working on.
It can be quite cathartic you know... to just admit that maybe you might be wrong.
If the shortages are due to supply chain limitations - then that is a well-documented Brexit issue caused by staff shortages.
If the shortages are due to a weather event in Spain (or Morocco), but those same shortages are not happening in Europe then that can only be a Brexit-related issue.
There is no logical reason other than Brexit as to why there are shortages in the UK and nowhere else.
I'm not sure what you're saying.
The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco?
So they same deal they had with the EU?
The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't?
If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal.
I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said."Erm you do know how fresh produce gets to the U.K. from Morocco don’t you? If you check this out you will see whilst Brexit isn’t the total cause of food shortages it is a huge part of why the U.K. is suffering more than the rest of the EU. Interestingly the trade route to Morocco saw an increase of direct trade through containerisation which accounted in great part for a claim that trade outside the EU had increased when in actual fact the trade had just been re routed. It appears the trade hadn’t increased enough on perishables to stop the shortages . Still unicorns and all. | |||
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" Oh please.... Why have we not run out until now? As the paperwork become an issue over the last couple of weeks The supermarkets run the procurement, they need to get it in order, which I believe they are working on.
It can be quite cathartic you know... to just admit that maybe you might be wrong.
If the shortages are due to supply chain limitations - then that is a well-documented Brexit issue caused by staff shortages.
If the shortages are due to a weather event in Spain (or Morocco), but those same shortages are not happening in Europe then that can only be a Brexit-related issue.
There is no logical reason other than Brexit as to why there are shortages in the UK and nowhere else.
I'm not sure what you're saying.
The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco?
So they same deal they had with the EU?
The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't?
If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal.
I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said.
Erm you do know how fresh produce gets to the U.K. from Morocco don’t you?
If you check this out you will see whilst Brexit isn’t the total cause of food shortages it is a huge part of why the U.K. is suffering more than the rest of the EU.
Interestingly the trade route to Morocco saw an increase of direct trade through containerisation which accounted in great part for a claim that trade outside the EU had increased when in actual fact the trade had just been re routed. It appears the trade hadn’t increased enough on perishables to stop the shortages .
Still unicorns and all. "I'm aware of how it gets here. I'm also aware that trucks are still coming into the country. The OP makes out that Brexit is the sole problem here which is just nonsense. | |||
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" Oh please.... Why have we not run out until now? As the paperwork become an issue over the last couple of weeks The supermarkets run the procurement, they need to get it in order, which I believe they are working on.
It can be quite cathartic you know... to just admit that maybe you might be wrong.
If the shortages are due to supply chain limitations - then that is a well-documented Brexit issue caused by staff shortages.
If the shortages are due to a weather event in Spain (or Morocco), but those same shortages are not happening in Europe then that can only be a Brexit-related issue.
There is no logical reason other than Brexit as to why there are shortages in the UK and nowhere else.
I'm not sure what you're saying.
The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco?
So they same deal they had with the EU?
The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't?
If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal.
I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said.
Erm you do know how fresh produce gets to the U.K. from Morocco don’t you?
If you check this out you will see whilst Brexit isn’t the total cause of food shortages it is a huge part of why the U.K. is suffering more than the rest of the EU.
Interestingly the trade route to Morocco saw an increase of direct trade through containerisation which accounted in great part for a claim that trade outside the EU had increased when in actual fact the trade had just been re routed. It appears the trade hadn’t increased enough on perishables to stop the shortages .
Still unicorns and all.
I'm aware of how it gets here. I'm also aware that trucks are still coming into the country.
The OP makes out that Brexit is the sole problem here which is just nonsense."Can I blame Brexit for a pandemic and a war that caused inflation? Asking for a friend. | |||
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" Oh please.... Why have we not run out until now? As the paperwork become an issue over the last couple of weeks The supermarkets run the procurement, they need to get it in order, which I believe they are working on.
It can be quite cathartic you know... to just admit that maybe you might be wrong.
If the shortages are due to supply chain limitations - then that is a well-documented Brexit issue caused by staff shortages.
If the shortages are due to a weather event in Spain (or Morocco), but those same shortages are not happening in Europe then that can only be a Brexit-related issue.
There is no logical reason other than Brexit as to why there are shortages in the UK and nowhere else.
I'm not sure what you're saying.
The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco?
So they same deal they had with the EU?
The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't?
If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal.
I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said.
Erm you do know how fresh produce gets to the U.K. from Morocco don’t you?
If you check this out you will see whilst Brexit isn’t the total cause of food shortages it is a huge part of why the U.K. is suffering more than the rest of the EU.
Interestingly the trade route to Morocco saw an increase of direct trade through containerisation which accounted in great part for a claim that trade outside the EU had increased when in actual fact the trade had just been re routed. It appears the trade hadn’t increased enough on perishables to stop the shortages .
Still unicorns and all.
I'm aware of how it gets here. I'm also aware that trucks are still coming into the country.
The OP makes out that Brexit is the sole problem here which is just nonsense. Can I blame Brexit for a pandemic and a war that caused inflation? Asking for a friend. "
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" Oh please.... Why have we not run out until now? As the paperwork become an issue over the last couple of weeks The supermarkets run the procurement, they need to get it in order, which I believe they are working on.
It can be quite cathartic you know... to just admit that maybe you might be wrong.
If the shortages are due to supply chain limitations - then that is a well-documented Brexit issue caused by staff shortages.
If the shortages are due to a weather event in Spain (or Morocco), but those same shortages are not happening in Europe then that can only be a Brexit-related issue.
There is no logical reason other than Brexit as to why there are shortages in the UK and nowhere else.
I'm not sure what you're saying.
The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco?
So they same deal they had with the EU?
The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't?
If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal.
I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said.
Erm you do know how fresh produce gets to the U.K. from Morocco don’t you?
If you check this out you will see whilst Brexit isn’t the total cause of food shortages it is a huge part of why the U.K. is suffering more than the rest of the EU.
Interestingly the trade route to Morocco saw an increase of direct trade through containerisation which accounted in great part for a claim that trade outside the EU had increased when in actual fact the trade had just been re routed. It appears the trade hadn’t increased enough on perishables to stop the shortages .
Still unicorns and all.
I'm aware of how it gets here. I'm also aware that trucks are still coming into the country.
The OP makes out that Brexit is the sole problem here which is just nonsense. Can I blame Brexit for a pandemic and a war that caused inflation? Asking for a friend.
I think I need a US sponsor, this place is getting a bit much, get ready for the application "it's absolutely strange lol Huge argument over fruit and veggies.  Grow a garden and store for the winter. FFS there is this thing called mason jars. I know some are to lazy to understand they will just whine that the supermarket is out. God forbid if their was WW3 the majority would be standing there begging others for help. Can we have a zombie apocalypse? it would be a great way to thin out the herd. People so comfortable anymore if anything that disrupts their everyday living . They whine instead of being self reliant of others. Supermarket really ... I can't get tomatoes ( Whine) . | |||
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" Oh please.... Why have we not run out until now? As the paperwork become an issue over the last couple of weeks The supermarkets run the procurement, they need to get it in order, which I believe they are working on.
It can be quite cathartic you know... to just admit that maybe you might be wrong.
If the shortages are due to supply chain limitations - then that is a well-documented Brexit issue caused by staff shortages.
If the shortages are due to a weather event in Spain (or Morocco), but those same shortages are not happening in Europe then that can only be a Brexit-related issue.
There is no logical reason other than Brexit as to why there are shortages in the UK and nowhere else.
I'm not sure what you're saying.
The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco?
So they same deal they had with the EU?
The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't?
If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal.
I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said.
Erm you do know how fresh produce gets to the U.K. from Morocco don’t you?
If you check this out you will see whilst Brexit isn’t the total cause of food shortages it is a huge part of why the U.K. is suffering more than the rest of the EU.
Interestingly the trade route to Morocco saw an increase of direct trade through containerisation which accounted in great part for a claim that trade outside the EU had increased when in actual fact the trade had just been re routed. It appears the trade hadn’t increased enough on perishables to stop the shortages .
Still unicorns and all.
I'm aware of how it gets here. I'm also aware that trucks are still coming into the country.
The OP makes out that Brexit is the sole problem here which is just nonsense. Can I blame Brexit for a pandemic and a war that caused inflation? Asking for a friend.
I think I need a US sponsor, this place is getting a bit much, get ready for the application it's absolutely strange lol Huge argument over fruit and veggies. Grow a garden and store for the winter. FFS there is this thing called mason jars. I know some are to lazy to understand they will just whine that the supermarket is out. God forbid if their was WW3 the majority would be standing there begging others for help. Can we have a zombie apocalypse? it would be a great way to thin out the herd. People so comfortable anymore if anything that disrupts their everyday living . They whine instead of being self reliant of others. Supermarket really ... I can't get tomatoes ( Whine) . "Supermarket is out ... Blame Brexit. Wtf it's hilarious. | |||
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" I'm not sure what you're saying. The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco? So they same deal they had with the EU? The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't? If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal. I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said." It's got everything to do with Brexit because the only way to get stuff from Morocco to the UK is across the Shenghen border (twice). British importers have no direct access to Moroccan produce and so the "trade deal" is simply an added complication rather than a benefit and UK importers simply buy their stuff from EU suppliers - as long as it is available. This is actually a perfect illustration of the absolute nonsense that Brexit is. We could have year-round supply of fresh fruit and vegetables from Morocco but that would mean there would have to be direct freight links between Morocco and the UK circumventing the Shenghen border. But to do that, UK importers would have to really stick their necks out and commit wholeheartedly to sufficient quotas to make a direct shipping service feasible. The issue is that supplies from Morocco are more complicated logistically than supplies from the EU and so the trade deal with Morocco remains simply a piece of paper and will probably always remain so. | |||
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" I'm not sure what you're saying. The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco? So they same deal they had with the EU? The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't? If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal. I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said. It's got everything to do with Brexit because the only way to get stuff from Morocco to the UK is across the Shenghen border (twice). British importers have no direct access to Moroccan produce and so the "trade deal" is simply an added complication rather than a benefit and UK importers simply buy their stuff from EU suppliers - as long as it is available. This is actually a perfect illustration of the absolute nonsense that Brexit is. We could have year-round supply of fresh fruit and vegetables from Morocco but that would mean there would have to be direct freight links between Morocco and the UK circumventing the Shenghen border. But to do that, UK importers would have to really stick their necks out and commit wholeheartedly to sufficient quotas to make a direct shipping service feasible. The issue is that supplies from Morocco are more complicated logistically than supplies from the EU and so the trade deal with Morocco remains simply a piece of paper and will probably always remain so." Are you absolutely 100% positive that's the only way and there isn't a direct route? | |||
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" I'm not sure what you're saying. The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco? So they same deal they had with the EU? The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't? If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal. I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said. It's got everything to do with Brexit because the only way to get stuff from Morocco to the UK is across the Shenghen border (twice). British importers have no direct access to Moroccan produce and so the "trade deal" is simply an added complication rather than a benefit and UK importers simply buy their stuff from EU suppliers - as long as it is available. This is actually a perfect illustration of the absolute nonsense that Brexit is. We could have year-round supply of fresh fruit and vegetables from Morocco but that would mean there would have to be direct freight links between Morocco and the UK circumventing the Shenghen border. But to do that, UK importers would have to really stick their necks out and commit wholeheartedly to sufficient quotas to make a direct shipping service feasible. The issue is that supplies from Morocco are more complicated logistically than supplies from the EU and so the trade deal with Morocco remains simply a piece of paper and will probably always remain so. Are you absolutely 100% positive that's the only way and there isn't a direct route?" If my memory serves me correctly, I recall that the Morocco trade deal was signed in Autumn 2019 and in the days afterwards, the Daily Express ran a "Brexit Win" headline story about a shipping company that was already up and running and operating between Tangiers and the UK to take advantage of the new deal. It turns out that "United Seaways" was a newly created entity that was created in late 2019 and was wholly owned by a Gibraltar-based nominee company that loaned United Seaways £35,000 start-up capital. It wasn't up and running and indeed it is still not up and running and likely never will be. There may well be tramping services that operate on an ad-hoc basis between Morocco and the UK, but to supply thousands of tons of fruit and veg reliably, a regular and reliable service needs to be in place. | |||
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" I'm not sure what you're saying. The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco? So they same deal they had with the EU? The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't? If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal. I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said. It's got everything to do with Brexit because the only way to get stuff from Morocco to the UK is across the Shenghen border (twice). British importers have no direct access to Moroccan produce and so the "trade deal" is simply an added complication rather than a benefit and UK importers simply buy their stuff from EU suppliers - as long as it is available. This is actually a perfect illustration of the absolute nonsense that Brexit is. We could have year-round supply of fresh fruit and vegetables from Morocco but that would mean there would have to be direct freight links between Morocco and the UK circumventing the Shenghen border. But to do that, UK importers would have to really stick their necks out and commit wholeheartedly to sufficient quotas to make a direct shipping service feasible. The issue is that supplies from Morocco are more complicated logistically than supplies from the EU and so the trade deal with Morocco remains simply a piece of paper and will probably always remain so. Are you absolutely 100% positive that's the only way and there isn't a direct route? If my memory serves me correctly, I recall that the Morocco trade deal was signed in Autumn 2019 and in the days afterwards, the Daily Express ran a "Brexit Win" headline story about a shipping company that was already up and running and operating between Tangiers and the UK to take advantage of the new deal. It turns out that "United Seaways" was a newly created entity that was created in late 2019 and was wholly owned by a Gibraltar-based nominee company that loaned United Seaways £35,000 start-up capital. It wasn't up and running and indeed it is still not up and running and likely never will be. There may well be tramping services that operate on an ad-hoc basis between Morocco and the UK, but to supply thousands of tons of fruit and veg reliably, a regular and reliable service needs to be in place." You have a good memory. Or quick fingers
Have trucks stopped arriving in the UK?
Is Ireland in the same position or is there problem that its an island?
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" I'm not sure what you're saying. The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco? So they same deal they had with the EU? The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't? If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal. I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said. It's got everything to do with Brexit because the only way to get stuff from Morocco to the UK is across the Shenghen border (twice). British importers have no direct access to Moroccan produce and so the "trade deal" is simply an added complication rather than a benefit and UK importers simply buy their stuff from EU suppliers - as long as it is available. This is actually a perfect illustration of the absolute nonsense that Brexit is. We could have year-round supply of fresh fruit and vegetables from Morocco but that would mean there would have to be direct freight links between Morocco and the UK circumventing the Shenghen border. But to do that, UK importers would have to really stick their necks out and commit wholeheartedly to sufficient quotas to make a direct shipping service feasible. The issue is that supplies from Morocco are more complicated logistically than supplies from the EU and so the trade deal with Morocco remains simply a piece of paper and will probably always remain so. Are you absolutely 100% positive that's the only way and there isn't a direct route? If my memory serves me correctly, I recall that the Morocco trade deal was signed in Autumn 2019 and in the days afterwards, the Daily Express ran a "Brexit Win" headline story about a shipping company that was already up and running and operating between Tangiers and the UK to take advantage of the new deal. It turns out that "United Seaways" was a newly created entity that was created in late 2019 and was wholly owned by a Gibraltar-based nominee company that loaned United Seaways £35,000 start-up capital. It wasn't up and running and indeed it is still not up and running and likely never will be. There may well be tramping services that operate on an ad-hoc basis between Morocco and the UK, but to supply thousands of tons of fruit and veg reliably, a regular and reliable service needs to be in place. You have a good memory. Or quick fingers
Have trucks stopped arriving in the UK?
Is Ireland in the same position or is there problem that its an island?
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" I'm not sure what you're saying. The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco? So they same deal they had with the EU? The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't? If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal. I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said. It's got everything to do with Brexit because the only way to get stuff from Morocco to the UK is across the Shenghen border (twice). British importers have no direct access to Moroccan produce and so the "trade deal" is simply an added complication rather than a benefit and UK importers simply buy their stuff from EU suppliers - as long as it is available. This is actually a perfect illustration of the absolute nonsense that Brexit is. We could have year-round supply of fresh fruit and vegetables from Morocco but that would mean there would have to be direct freight links between Morocco and the UK circumventing the Shenghen border. But to do that, UK importers would have to really stick their necks out and commit wholeheartedly to sufficient quotas to make a direct shipping service feasible. The issue is that supplies from Morocco are more complicated logistically than supplies from the EU and so the trade deal with Morocco remains simply a piece of paper and will probably always remain so. Are you absolutely 100% positive that's the only way and there isn't a direct route? If my memory serves me correctly, I recall that the Morocco trade deal was signed in Autumn 2019 and in the days afterwards, the Daily Express ran a "Brexit Win" headline story about a shipping company that was already up and running and operating between Tangiers and the UK to take advantage of the new deal. It turns out that "United Seaways" was a newly created entity that was created in late 2019 and was wholly owned by a Gibraltar-based nominee company that loaned United Seaways £35,000 start-up capital. It wasn't up and running and indeed it is still not up and running and likely never will be. There may well be tramping services that operate on an ad-hoc basis between Morocco and the UK, but to supply thousands of tons of fruit and veg reliably, a regular and reliable service needs to be in place. You have a good memory. Or quick fingers
Have trucks stopped arriving in the UK?
Is Ireland in the same position or is there problem that its an island?
It was a topic on here at the time because the other nonsense ferry business was still fresh in people’s minds."As I said. Good memory. What about the questions? | |||
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"I thought that Fruit and Veg imports were exempt from scrutiny, until 2024? As Morocco isn't in the EU, then standard checks are carried out anyway." This is correct, meaning there have been 0 changes to the import of fruit and veg from Morocco... | |||
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"Personally I think that it is a good thing and will help the fight against obesity, which in turn will help the NHS. Every Brexit cloud has a silver lining - you just have to use your imagination to see it
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" Oh please.... Why have we not run out until now? As the paperwork become an issue over the last couple of weeks The supermarkets run the procurement, they need to get it in order, which I believe they are working on.
It can be quite cathartic you know... to just admit that maybe you might be wrong.
If the shortages are due to supply chain limitations - then that is a well-documented Brexit issue caused by staff shortages.
If the shortages are due to a weather event in Spain (or Morocco), but those same shortages are not happening in Europe then that can only be a Brexit-related issue.
There is no logical reason other than Brexit as to why there are shortages in the UK and nowhere else.
I'm not sure what you're saying.
The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco?
So they same deal they had with the EU?
The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't?
If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal.
I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said.
Erm you do know how fresh produce gets to the U.K. from Morocco don’t you?
If you check this out you will see whilst Brexit isn’t the total cause of food shortages it is a huge part of why the U.K. is suffering more than the rest of the EU.
Interestingly the trade route to Morocco saw an increase of direct trade through containerisation which accounted in great part for a claim that trade outside the EU had increased when in actual fact the trade had just been re routed. It appears the trade hadn’t increased enough on perishables to stop the shortages .
Still unicorns and all.
I'm aware of how it gets here. I'm also aware that trucks are still coming into the country.
The OP makes out that Brexit is the sole problem here which is just nonsense."Brexit isn’t the sole problem but its why the U.K. and the Republic of Ireland are affected more than other countries. That’s undeniable. | |||
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" Oh please.... Why have we not run out until now? As the paperwork become an issue over the last couple of weeks The supermarkets run the procurement, they need to get it in order, which I believe they are working on.
It can be quite cathartic you know... to just admit that maybe you might be wrong.
If the shortages are due to supply chain limitations - then that is a well-documented Brexit issue caused by staff shortages.
If the shortages are due to a weather event in Spain (or Morocco), but those same shortages are not happening in Europe then that can only be a Brexit-related issue.
There is no logical reason other than Brexit as to why there are shortages in the UK and nowhere else.
I'm not sure what you're saying.
The UK signed a rollover deal with Morocco?
So they same deal they had with the EU?
The EU are getting there produce room Morocco at present but the UK aren't?
If so, it's got fuck all to do with Brexit as we have the same deal.
I don't know all this for fact, just going off what you've said.
Erm you do know how fresh produce gets to the U.K. from Morocco don’t you?
If you check this out you will see whilst Brexit isn’t the total cause of food shortages it is a huge part of why the U.K. is suffering more than the rest of the EU.
Interestingly the trade route to Morocco saw an increase of direct trade through containerisation which accounted in great part for a claim that trade outside the EU had increased when in actual fact the trade had just been re routed. It appears the trade hadn’t increased enough on perishables to stop the shortages .
Still unicorns and all.
I'm aware of how it gets here. I'm also aware that trucks are still coming into the country.
The OP makes out that Brexit is the sole problem here which is just nonsense.
Brexit isn’t the sole problem but its why the U.K. and the Republic of Ireland are affected more than other countries. That’s undeniable. "Maybe you can shed some light given you professional standing. Have the trucks stopped arriving? This is some kind of gotcha question. I'd like to know why if we could buy 3 weeks ago, why can't we now? | |||
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"I thought that Fruit and Veg imports were exempt from scrutiny, until 2024? As Morocco isn't in the EU, then standard checks are carried out anyway. This is correct, meaning there have been 0 changes to the import of fruit and veg from Morocco... " But it’s transiting the EU to another third country. Just because we don’t check EU goods doesn’t mean we don’t have checks or customs to do. Before it was entering the EU in Gibraltar and that’s it! Now it’s arriving and leaving the EU and then some goods re-exporting again to the republic which is yet more paperwork. Our lack of customs workers checking goods doesn’t mean the goods don’t have to follow export and import rules. All add delays | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. " Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. " Realised I also wrote 'this is gotcha' I (hopefully clearly) meant 'isn't' | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. " I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. I understand all of the above, but in this case we have had uninterrupted supplies until the hard frosts and hail that caused devastation to crops in Morocco and southern Spain. If yields are down by over 40% and inflation and oil prices at an all time high, the hike in cost at the tills to get a small % of what we need is not going to cut it with the consumer. In that case keep the travel to a minimum to keep the return high. That is not Brexit, that is simple business economy. The fruit and veg that did survive will also be questionable, again making it sensible to keep storage and travel costs down and sell it as local as possible. I’m really struggling to understand why every hiccup is being blamed on Brexit and especially this one, and that is coming from someone who didn’t want to leave the EU. I think as I said Brexit isn’t the cause of everything but it has severely limited our ability to deal with problems which wouldn’t even have been a serious issue before. There is also an element here of oh another problem oh and yet another. We are becoming numbed to the pain which Brexit is causing which is inevitable I know but we need to stop the spiral as it could gain momentum. The NFU spoke about slaughtering animals because they couldn’t be processed due to workers etc but it’s minor news. Teresa Coffey said it’s the market! Bullshit! That is Brexit so why aren’t we being honest and addressing it? I saw a headline in a national paper which said inflation looking to be only 3-4% in 2024. This completely ignores that it’s 4% on top of 11% so is not good news really it’s just less shit. Our expectations as a country are being undermined by a poor short sighted and also sadly incompetent government. The spin is looking very hollow! You are talking about Brexit and not the fruit and veg shortage because of bad weather. What can be done to improve the supply should this happen again?" Read my posts again I clearly mentioned the weather and the price of gas.
We have to remove barriers it’s that simple.
We are more trouble than we are worth. It’s now not about what we think it’s whether the EU businesses can be arsed dealing with the U.K. Contrary to some peoples views they (the EU members) don’t need us more than we need them. It’s the exact opposite. | |||
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"Whatp has this got to do with Brexit and obesity? The foods are fruit and veg! The reason for short supply is bad weather in Europe and Africa that has created a supply issue. " The problem is these supermarkets won’t pay the price to warrant heating greenhouses | |||
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"Whatp has this got to do with Brexit and obesity? The foods are fruit and veg! The reason for short supply is bad weather in Europe and Africa that has created a supply issue. The problem is these supermarkets won’t pay the price to warrant heating greenhouses " What do we want? Less choice and all food to be at higher prices. It’s a vote winner - you saw it here first. | |||
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"Whatp has this got to do with Brexit and obesity? The foods are fruit and veg! The reason for short supply is bad weather in Europe and Africa that has created a supply issue. The problem is these supermarkets won’t pay the price to warrant heating greenhouses What do we want? Less choice and all food to be at higher prices. It’s a vote winner - you saw it here first." You do like to dramatise against the tide, you have done it on the Irish border thread too. Are you looking to create conflict or are you that politically motivated? Genuine question | |||
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"Whatp has this got to do with Brexit and obesity? The foods are fruit and veg! The reason for short supply is bad weather in Europe and Africa that has created a supply issue. The problem is these supermarkets won’t pay the price to warrant heating greenhouses What do we want? Less choice and all food to be at higher prices. It’s a vote winner - you saw it here first. You do like to dramatise against the tide, you have done it on the Irish border thread too. Are you looking to create conflict or are you that politically motivated? Genuine question" are you expecting a honest answer I think not | |||
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"We do, actually, have food rationing. That is a fact. Whatever the cause or causes, the EU does not. That is not good for us, however we look at it." Hopefully we can have blue ration books if and when they are needed | |||
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"We do, actually, have food rationing. That is a fact. Whatever the cause or causes, the EU does not. That is not good for us, however we look at it. Hopefully we can have blue ration books if and when they are needed "And there it is, couldn't help yourself | |||
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"wonder what the ukraine people would do if they where short of fruit and veg and gas elec and water and a house" Actually that Sweeney guy posted some pictures of a shop in Kharkiv this morning. Shelves loaded up with high quality produce despite being under daily bombardment. | |||
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"wonder what the ukraine people would do if they where short of fruit and veg and gas elec and water and a house" Why is that an appropriate comparison? We are not at war. I'm sure that our reactions would be completely different if we were. | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it "We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently. I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor. It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without. | |||
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We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without."I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream. Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you) Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore? The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years. | |||
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"Today's BBC article apart from the industry concerned saying its to do with bad weather and UK farmers not growing certain things due to high energy bills, mentions that this could last for around a month. What's going to change in a month's time to fix this, they do not say. Interestingly the prices are far more varied than I expected and places like France pay quite a bit more for their fruit and veg. Not sure why in the UK it's so much cheaper" The weather becomes milder in a month, reducing the need for heat and lights in greenhouses, reducing the cost to grow and reducing the cost on the shelves | |||
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"... The weather becomes milder in a month, reducing the need for heat and lights in greenhouses, reducing the cost to grow and reducing the cost on the shelves "Don't you mean 'increasing the profit for farmers and middlemen while shelf prices stay the same or increase'? | |||
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"... The weather becomes milder in a month, reducing the need for heat and lights in greenhouses, reducing the cost to grow and reducing the cost on the shelves
Don't you mean 'increasing the profit for farmers and middlemen while shelf prices stay the same or increase'?"No | |||
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Don't you mean 'increasing the profit for farmers and middlemen while shelf prices stay the same or increase'?"Look at the noise on this forum when fruit and veg is being rationed after poor weather killed off large percentages of crops in Northern Africa. Now imagine those same people needing to pay considerably more for the fruit and veg from supermarkets. The supermarkets wont pay the farmers more because the customers wont pay more. Something needs to give, looks like it is the produce being delayed. | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it
We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without.
I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream.
Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you)
Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore?
The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years."Sorry I just realised you directed that at me. OK so how about an analogy A taxi driver outside a train station has a choice of fairs . THE FARE ONLY PAYS ONE WAY. One is to the airport where he has a good chance of getting another fare and it’s a quick cheap trip no chance of hold ups or delays or added costs. The other option is a fare to a farm 200 mikes away in the middle of nowhere and he has to pay a toll along with extra permits across an river and no chance of another fare from the farm back to the train station. Which would you recommend he takes ? Then transfer this to the hauliers . Follow the easy route inside the EU or to that pain in the arse U.K. route? Just as some hauliers have said I’m not going to the uk anymore others have said yes ok I’ll go but you pay me a full round trip, customs , paperwork and time delays. The buyers are possibly baulking at the cost and maybe the hauliers are saying no thanks I’ll take the cheaper easier option. I’m a bit removed from all this now but just my thoughts . I may be miles off, | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it
We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without.
I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream.
Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you)
Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore?
The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years.
Sorry I just realised you directed that at me.
OK so how about an analogy
A taxi driver outside a train station has a choice of fairs . THE FARE ONLY PAYS ONE WAY.
One is to the airport where he has a good chance of getting another fare and it’s a quick cheap trip no chance of hold ups or delays or added costs.
The other option is a fare to a farm 200 mikes away in the middle of nowhere and he has to pay a toll along with extra permits across an river and no chance of another fare from the farm back to the train station.
Which would you recommend he takes ?
Then transfer this to the hauliers . Follow the easy route inside the EU or to that pain in the arse U.K. route?
Just as some hauliers have said I’m not going to the uk anymore others have said yes ok I’ll go but you pay me a full round trip, customs , paperwork and time delays.
The buyers are possibly baulking at the cost and maybe the hauliers are saying no thanks I’ll take the cheaper easier option.
I’m a bit removed from all this now but just my thoughts . I may be miles off,
"I completely understand its better for hauliers to stay inside the EU due to costs etc. What I'm not understanding is what has changed for this incident? As far as I'm aware, there has been no change in the last 3 weeks. | |||
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"... The weather becomes milder in a month, reducing the need for heat and lights in greenhouses, reducing the cost to grow and reducing the cost on the shelves
Don't you mean 'increasing the profit for farmers and middlemen while shelf prices stay the same or increase'?
Look at the noise on this forum when fruit and veg is being rationed after poor weather killed off large percentages of crops in Northern Africa. Now imagine those same people needing to pay considerably more for the fruit and veg from supermarkets.
The supermarkets wont pay the farmers more because the customers wont pay more. Something needs to give, looks like it is the produce being delayed."The "noise" is because we are experiencing the problem in the UK but the same is not true across a few miles of seawater. A preference has been expressed by suppliers. You cannot disregard Brexit as being more than a small part of the decision making process. I agree on your second point. Consumers in the UK have always undervalued food. You can see that from measures of waste as much as anything else. Energy prices going down in a month will not help with agricultural produce in a month. Perhaps in two. Nature and all that not operating on a switch | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it
We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without.
I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream.
Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you)
Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore?
The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years.
Sorry I just realised you directed that at me.
OK so how about an analogy
A taxi driver outside a train station has a choice of fairs . THE FARE ONLY PAYS ONE WAY.
One is to the airport where he has a good chance of getting another fare and it’s a quick cheap trip no chance of hold ups or delays or added costs.
The other option is a fare to a farm 200 mikes away in the middle of nowhere and he has to pay a toll along with extra permits across an river and no chance of another fare from the farm back to the train station.
Which would you recommend he takes ?
Then transfer this to the hauliers . Follow the easy route inside the EU or to that pain in the arse U.K. route?
Just as some hauliers have said I’m not going to the uk anymore others have said yes ok I’ll go but you pay me a full round trip, customs , paperwork and time delays.
The buyers are possibly baulking at the cost and maybe the hauliers are saying no thanks I’ll take the cheaper easier option.
I’m a bit removed from all this now but just my thoughts . I may be miles off,
I completely understand its better for hauliers to stay inside the EU due to costs etc.
What I'm not understanding is what has changed for this incident? As far as I'm aware, there has been no change in the last 3 weeks."The suppliers can sell all that they have within the EU. No need to deal with the complication of coming here, I guess if we are not going to pay a significant premium. Genuinely at the back of the queue on this one. | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it
We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without.
I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream.
Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you)
Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore?
The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years.
Sorry I just realised you directed that at me.
OK so how about an analogy
A taxi driver outside a train station has a choice of fairs . THE FARE ONLY PAYS ONE WAY.
One is to the airport where he has a good chance of getting another fare and it’s a quick cheap trip no chance of hold ups or delays or added costs.
The other option is a fare to a farm 200 mikes away in the middle of nowhere and he has to pay a toll along with extra permits across an river and no chance of another fare from the farm back to the train station.
Which would you recommend he takes ?
Then transfer this to the hauliers . Follow the easy route inside the EU or to that pain in the arse U.K. route?
Just as some hauliers have said I’m not going to the uk anymore others have said yes ok I’ll go but you pay me a full round trip, customs , paperwork and time delays.
The buyers are possibly baulking at the cost and maybe the hauliers are saying no thanks I’ll take the cheaper easier option.
I’m a bit removed from all this now but just my thoughts . I may be miles off,
I completely understand its better for hauliers to stay inside the EU due to costs etc.
What I'm not understanding is what has changed for this incident? As far as I'm aware, there has been no change in the last 3 weeks.
The suppliers can sell all that they have within the EU.
No need to deal with the complication of coming here, I guess if we are not going to pay a significant premium.
Genuinely at the back of the queue on this one."So the problem is that there isn't enough supply? | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it
We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without.
I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream.
Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you)
Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore?
The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years.
Sorry I just realised you directed that at me.
OK so how about an analogy
A taxi driver outside a train station has a choice of fairs . THE FARE ONLY PAYS ONE WAY.
One is to the airport where he has a good chance of getting another fare and it’s a quick cheap trip no chance of hold ups or delays or added costs.
The other option is a fare to a farm 200 mikes away in the middle of nowhere and he has to pay a toll along with extra permits across an river and no chance of another fare from the farm back to the train station.
Which would you recommend he takes ?
Then transfer this to the hauliers . Follow the easy route inside the EU or to that pain in the arse U.K. route?
Just as some hauliers have said I’m not going to the uk anymore others have said yes ok I’ll go but you pay me a full round trip, customs , paperwork and time delays.
The buyers are possibly baulking at the cost and maybe the hauliers are saying no thanks I’ll take the cheaper easier option.
I’m a bit removed from all this now but just my thoughts . I may be miles off,
I completely understand its better for hauliers to stay inside the EU due to costs etc.
What I'm not understanding is what has changed for this incident? As far as I'm aware, there has been no change in the last 3 weeks.
The suppliers can sell all that they have within the EU.
No need to deal with the complication of coming here, I guess if we are not going to pay a significant premium.
Genuinely at the back of the queue on this one.
So the problem is that there isn't enough supply?"Nobody has said otherwise. Our, specific, problem is that we are also on the other side of a lot of hassle. Let's call it "red tape", which is the difference between us receiving some of the available supply and not receiving it. Root cause is reduced supply. Proximate cause is Brexit or at least very closely associated with it. | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it
We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without.
I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream.
Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you)
Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore?
The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years.
Sorry I just realised you directed that at me.
OK so how about an analogy
A taxi driver outside a train station has a choice of fairs . THE FARE ONLY PAYS ONE WAY.
One is to the airport where he has a good chance of getting another fare and it’s a quick cheap trip no chance of hold ups or delays or added costs.
The other option is a fare to a farm 200 mikes away in the middle of nowhere and he has to pay a toll along with extra permits across an river and no chance of another fare from the farm back to the train station.
Which would you recommend he takes ?
Then transfer this to the hauliers . Follow the easy route inside the EU or to that pain in the arse U.K. route?
Just as some hauliers have said I’m not going to the uk anymore others have said yes ok I’ll go but you pay me a full round trip, customs , paperwork and time delays.
The buyers are possibly baulking at the cost and maybe the hauliers are saying no thanks I’ll take the cheaper easier option.
I’m a bit removed from all this now but just my thoughts . I may be miles off,
I completely understand its better for hauliers to stay inside the EU due to costs etc.
What I'm not understanding is what has changed for this incident? As far as I'm aware, there has been no change in the last 3 weeks.
The suppliers can sell all that they have within the EU.
No need to deal with the complication of coming here, I guess if we are not going to pay a significant premium.
Genuinely at the back of the queue on this one.
So the problem is that there isn't enough supply?
Nobody has said otherwise.
Our, specific, problem is that we are also on the other side of a lot of hassle. Let's call it "red tape", which is the difference between us receiving some of the available supply and not receiving it.
Root cause is reduced supply.
Proximate cause is Brexit or at least very closely associated with it."Are you sure no one has said otherwise? I've said it countless times in this thread, the OP has solely laid the blame firmly at Brexits door. We would probably all be on the same side should the OP be a bit more rationalised. | |||
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"... The weather becomes milder in a month, reducing the need for heat and lights in greenhouses, reducing the cost to grow and reducing the cost on the shelves
Don't you mean 'increasing the profit for farmers and middlemen while shelf prices stay the same or increase'?
Look at the noise on this forum when fruit and veg is being rationed after poor weather killed off large percentages of crops in Northern Africa. Now imagine those same people needing to pay considerably more for the fruit and veg from supermarkets.
The supermarkets wont pay the farmers more because the customers wont pay more. Something needs to give, looks like it is the produce being delayed.
The "noise" is because we are experiencing the problem in the UK but the same is not true across a few miles of seawater.
A preference has been expressed by suppliers. You cannot disregard Brexit as being more than a small part of the decision making process.
I agree on your second point. Consumers in the UK have always undervalued food. You can see that from measures of waste as much as anything else.
Energy prices going down in a month will not help with agricultural produce in a month. Perhaps in two. Nature and all that not operating on a switch "Something I have discovered through this little episode, is how UK farmers need to think of everything, that I take for granted! Right down to hours of sun and saving money.. more light per day towards the end of March / start of April, about 2 hours a day more than we get now. That extra 2 hours of light is what can make or break making a profit. I would never make a farmer | |||
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"... The weather becomes milder in a month, reducing the need for heat and lights in greenhouses, reducing the cost to grow and reducing the cost on the shelves
Don't you mean 'increasing the profit for farmers and middlemen while shelf prices stay the same or increase'?
Look at the noise on this forum when fruit and veg is being rationed after poor weather killed off large percentages of crops in Northern Africa. Now imagine those same people needing to pay considerably more for the fruit and veg from supermarkets.
The supermarkets wont pay the farmers more because the customers wont pay more. Something needs to give, looks like it is the produce being delayed.
The "noise" is because we are experiencing the problem in the UK but the same is not true across a few miles of seawater.
A preference has been expressed by suppliers. You cannot disregard Brexit as being more than a small part of the decision making process.
I agree on your second point. Consumers in the UK have always undervalued food. You can see that from measures of waste as much as anything else.
Energy prices going down in a month will not help with agricultural produce in a month. Perhaps in two. Nature and all that not operating on a switch
Something I have discovered through this little episode, is how UK farmers need to think of everything, that I take for granted! Right down to hours of sun and saving money.. more light per day towards the end of March / start of April, about 2 hours a day more than we get now. That extra 2 hours of light is what can make or break making a profit.
I would never make a farmer
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it
We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without.
I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream.
Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you)
Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore?
The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years.
Sorry I just realised you directed that at me.
OK so how about an analogy
A taxi driver outside a train station has a choice of fairs . THE FARE ONLY PAYS ONE WAY.
One is to the airport where he has a good chance of getting another fare and it’s a quick cheap trip no chance of hold ups or delays or added costs.
The other option is a fare to a farm 200 mikes away in the middle of nowhere and he has to pay a toll along with extra permits across an river and no chance of another fare from the farm back to the train station.
Which would you recommend he takes ?
Then transfer this to the hauliers . Follow the easy route inside the EU or to that pain in the arse U.K. route?
Just as some hauliers have said I’m not going to the uk anymore others have said yes ok I’ll go but you pay me a full round trip, customs , paperwork and time delays.
The buyers are possibly baulking at the cost and maybe the hauliers are saying no thanks I’ll take the cheaper easier option.
I’m a bit removed from all this now but just my thoughts . I may be miles off,
I completely understand its better for hauliers to stay inside the EU due to costs etc.
What I'm not understanding is what has changed for this incident? As far as I'm aware, there has been no change in the last 3 weeks.
The suppliers can sell all that they have within the EU.
No need to deal with the complication of coming here, I guess if we are not going to pay a significant premium.
Genuinely at the back of the queue on this one.
So the problem is that there isn't enough supply?
Nobody has said otherwise.
Our, specific, problem is that we are also on the other side of a lot of hassle. Let's call it "red tape", which is the difference between us receiving some of the available supply and not receiving it.
Root cause is reduced supply.
Proximate cause is Brexit or at least very closely associated with it.
Are you sure no one has said otherwise?
I've said it countless times in this thread, the OP has solely laid the blame firmly at Brexits door.
We would probably all be on the same side should the OP be a bit more rationalised."I think that the OP was really highlighting why the UK seems to have a problem whilst the EU does not, with the same supply chain. That only became apparent in the following post. The point is still valid though, I think. You might also acknowledge that you tend not to concede that there may be a Brexit related problem unless pushed. The fact that it is an ubiquitous problem doesn't mean that those inclined to shouldn't point it out as it is one that many would like to pretend or claim doesn't exist. | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it
We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without.
I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream.
Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you)
Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore?
The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years.
Sorry I just realised you directed that at me.
OK so how about an analogy
A taxi driver outside a train station has a choice of fairs . THE FARE ONLY PAYS ONE WAY.
One is to the airport where he has a good chance of getting another fare and it’s a quick cheap trip no chance of hold ups or delays or added costs.
The other option is a fare to a farm 200 mikes away in the middle of nowhere and he has to pay a toll along with extra permits across an river and no chance of another fare from the farm back to the train station.
Which would you recommend he takes ?
Then transfer this to the hauliers . Follow the easy route inside the EU or to that pain in the arse U.K. route?
Just as some hauliers have said I’m not going to the uk anymore others have said yes ok I’ll go but you pay me a full round trip, customs , paperwork and time delays.
The buyers are possibly baulking at the cost and maybe the hauliers are saying no thanks I’ll take the cheaper easier option.
I’m a bit removed from all this now but just my thoughts . I may be miles off,
I completely understand its better for hauliers to stay inside the EU due to costs etc.
What I'm not understanding is what has changed for this incident? As far as I'm aware, there has been no change in the last 3 weeks.
The suppliers can sell all that they have within the EU.
No need to deal with the complication of coming here, I guess if we are not going to pay a significant premium.
Genuinely at the back of the queue on this one.
So the problem is that there isn't enough supply?
Nobody has said otherwise.
Our, specific, problem is that we are also on the other side of a lot of hassle. Let's call it "red tape", which is the difference between us receiving some of the available supply and not receiving it.
Root cause is reduced supply.
Proximate cause is Brexit or at least very closely associated with it.
Are you sure no one has said otherwise?
I've said it countless times in this thread, the OP has solely laid the blame firmly at Brexits door.
We would probably all be on the same side should the OP be a bit more rationalised.
I think that the OP was really highlighting why the UK seems to have a problem whilst the EU does not, with the same supply chain.
That only became apparent in the following post.
The point is still valid though, I think.
You might also acknowledge that you tend not to concede that there may be a Brexit related problem unless pushed.
The fact that it is an ubiquitous problem doesn't mean that those inclined to shouldn't point it out as it is one that many would like to pretend or claim doesn't exist."Do you think the OP was giving a rounded explanation as to why we may be seeing shortages? I certainly don't. I might also acknowledge?? I wholeheartedly acknowledge that Brexit is an issue in a lot of subjects, I just wish we were given the full picture rather than half a story so as to push an agenda. | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it
We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without.
I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream.
Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you)
Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore?
The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years.
Sorry I just realised you directed that at me.
OK so how about an analogy
A taxi driver outside a train station has a choice of fairs . THE FARE ONLY PAYS ONE WAY.
One is to the airport where he has a good chance of getting another fare and it’s a quick cheap trip no chance of hold ups or delays or added costs.
The other option is a fare to a farm 200 mikes away in the middle of nowhere and he has to pay a toll along with extra permits across an river and no chance of another fare from the farm back to the train station.
Which would you recommend he takes ?
Then transfer this to the hauliers . Follow the easy route inside the EU or to that pain in the arse U.K. route?
Just as some hauliers have said I’m not going to the uk anymore others have said yes ok I’ll go but you pay me a full round trip, customs , paperwork and time delays.
The buyers are possibly baulking at the cost and maybe the hauliers are saying no thanks I’ll take the cheaper easier option.
I’m a bit removed from all this now but just my thoughts . I may be miles off,
I completely understand its better for hauliers to stay inside the EU due to costs etc.
What I'm not understanding is what has changed for this incident? As far as I'm aware, there has been no change in the last 3 weeks.
The suppliers can sell all that they have within the EU.
No need to deal with the complication of coming here, I guess if we are not going to pay a significant premium.
Genuinely at the back of the queue on this one.
So the problem is that there isn't enough supply?
Nobody has said otherwise.
Our, specific, problem is that we are also on the other side of a lot of hassle. Let's call it "red tape", which is the difference between us receiving some of the available supply and not receiving it.
Root cause is reduced supply.
Proximate cause is Brexit or at least very closely associated with it.
Are you sure no one has said otherwise?
I've said it countless times in this thread, the OP has solely laid the blame firmly at Brexits door.
We would probably all be on the same side should the OP be a bit more rationalised.
I think that the OP was really highlighting why the UK seems to have a problem whilst the EU does not, with the same supply chain.
That only became apparent in the following post.
The point is still valid though, I think.
You might also acknowledge that you tend not to concede that there may be a Brexit related problem unless pushed.
The fact that it is an ubiquitous problem doesn't mean that those inclined to shouldn't point it out as it is one that many would like to pretend or claim doesn't exist."I disagree with this. The OP was very clear shortages were down to Brexit. The reality here is the fruit and veg shortages happened because of poor weather impacting crops, reducing what was available and the quality of what survived. It makes perfect sense to distribute and sell perishable goods already sub standard, quickly, hence the produce ending up in the EU. Second point is the cost to get far less produce here would increase the prices. 3rd point, checks on fruit and veg entering from the EU have remained unchanged and will not change until 2024. Final point the UK farmers have delayed their crop by a month, to benefit from longer days meaning less energy costs to grow. Where does brexit come into this? | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it
We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without.
I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream.
Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you)
Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore?
The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years.
Sorry I just realised you directed that at me.
OK so how about an analogy
A taxi driver outside a train station has a choice of fairs . THE FARE ONLY PAYS ONE WAY.
One is to the airport where he has a good chance of getting another fare and it’s a quick cheap trip no chance of hold ups or delays or added costs.
The other option is a fare to a farm 200 mikes away in the middle of nowhere and he has to pay a toll along with extra permits across an river and no chance of another fare from the farm back to the train station.
Which would you recommend he takes ?
Then transfer this to the hauliers . Follow the easy route inside the EU or to that pain in the arse U.K. route?
Just as some hauliers have said I’m not going to the uk anymore others have said yes ok I’ll go but you pay me a full round trip, customs , paperwork and time delays.
The buyers are possibly baulking at the cost and maybe the hauliers are saying no thanks I’ll take the cheaper easier option.
I’m a bit removed from all this now but just my thoughts . I may be miles off,
I completely understand its better for hauliers to stay inside the EU due to costs etc.
What I'm not understanding is what has changed for this incident? As far as I'm aware, there has been no change in the last 3 weeks."But there has A shortage of fares or food in reality. We come last as a choice of destination. If as a haulier I need work I’ll take a bad job sometimes. When my services are in demand I chose where I’m going. Because the food loads are in short supply a lot of hauliers won’t take cargoes into Morocco knowing they are unlikely to get a return cargo so even though in theory there should be more hauliers than cargoes often that is not the case. So the fewer that are left can dictate where they are prepared to deliver. Then add the fact the producers can choose red tape or no red tape then you can easily see why the U.K. falls first. Like I said I may be wrong . | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it
We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without.
I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream.
Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you)
Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore?
The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years.
Sorry I just realised you directed that at me.
OK so how about an analogy
A taxi driver outside a train station has a choice of fairs . THE FARE ONLY PAYS ONE WAY.
One is to the airport where he has a good chance of getting another fare and it’s a quick cheap trip no chance of hold ups or delays or added costs.
The other option is a fare to a farm 200 mikes away in the middle of nowhere and he has to pay a toll along with extra permits across an river and no chance of another fare from the farm back to the train station.
Which would you recommend he takes ?
Then transfer this to the hauliers . Follow the easy route inside the EU or to that pain in the arse U.K. route?
Just as some hauliers have said I’m not going to the uk anymore others have said yes ok I’ll go but you pay me a full round trip, customs , paperwork and time delays.
The buyers are possibly baulking at the cost and maybe the hauliers are saying no thanks I’ll take the cheaper easier option.
I’m a bit removed from all this now but just my thoughts . I may be miles off,
I completely understand its better for hauliers to stay inside the EU due to costs etc.
What I'm not understanding is what has changed for this incident? As far as I'm aware, there has been no change in the last 3 weeks.
But there has
A shortage of fares or food in reality.
We come last as a choice of destination.
If as a haulier I need work I’ll take a bad job sometimes. When my services are in demand I chose where I’m going.
Because the food loads are in short supply a lot of hauliers won’t take cargoes into Morocco knowing they are unlikely to get a return cargo so even though in theory there should be more hauliers than cargoes often that is not the case.
So the fewer that are left can dictate where they are prepared to deliver.
Then add the fact the producers can choose red tape or no red tape then you can easily see why the U.K. falls first.
Like I said I may be wrong .
"That's what I've been saying all along, the issue here is actually a shortage. I understand we come behind the EU because of Brexit, notme put it quite well I think. It makes perfect business sense for the Moroccans to serve the closer market but laying the whole blame at Brexits door just simply isn't true | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it
We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without.
I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream.
Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you)
Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore?
The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years.
Sorry I just realised you directed that at me.
OK so how about an analogy
A taxi driver outside a train station has a choice of fairs . THE FARE ONLY PAYS ONE WAY.
One is to the airport where he has a good chance of getting another fare and it’s a quick cheap trip no chance of hold ups or delays or added costs.
The other option is a fare to a farm 200 mikes away in the middle of nowhere and he has to pay a toll along with extra permits across an river and no chance of another fare from the farm back to the train station.
Which would you recommend he takes ?
Then transfer this to the hauliers . Follow the easy route inside the EU or to that pain in the arse U.K. route?
Just as some hauliers have said I’m not going to the uk anymore others have said yes ok I’ll go but you pay me a full round trip, customs , paperwork and time delays.
The buyers are possibly baulking at the cost and maybe the hauliers are saying no thanks I’ll take the cheaper easier option.
I’m a bit removed from all this now but just my thoughts . I may be miles off,
I completely understand its better for hauliers to stay inside the EU due to costs etc.
What I'm not understanding is what has changed for this incident? As far as I'm aware, there has been no change in the last 3 weeks.
But there has
A shortage of fares or food in reality.
We come last as a choice of destination.
If as a haulier I need work I’ll take a bad job sometimes. When my services are in demand I chose where I’m going.
Because the food loads are in short supply a lot of hauliers won’t take cargoes into Morocco knowing they are unlikely to get a return cargo so even though in theory there should be more hauliers than cargoes often that is not the case.
So the fewer that are left can dictate where they are prepared to deliver.
Then add the fact the producers can choose red tape or no red tape then you can easily see why the U.K. falls first.
Like I said I may be wrong .
That's what I've been saying all along, the issue here is actually a shortage.
I understand we come behind the EU because of Brexit, notme put it quite well I think. It makes perfect business sense for the Moroccans to serve the closer market but laying the whole blame at Brexits door just simply isn't true
"Brexit in my opinion is exacerbating it all It’s as I said we are suffering constantly over and above others that is definitely Brexit . So while the original issue may not be Brexit the effects are far worse for the U.K. solely due to Brexit. In effect the shelves would be half empty if we played on that same playing field. Not fully empty with rationing. The constant undermining of our economy across a range of issues can only lead to more and more negative outcomes . A three legged horse can still run in a race but he will fall behind further and further over time. The gap gets bigger with each furlough travelled. | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it
We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without.
I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream.
Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you)
Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore?
The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years.
Sorry I just realised you directed that at me.
OK so how about an analogy
A taxi driver outside a train station has a choice of fairs . THE FARE ONLY PAYS ONE WAY.
One is to the airport where he has a good chance of getting another fare and it’s a quick cheap trip no chance of hold ups or delays or added costs.
The other option is a fare to a farm 200 mikes away in the middle of nowhere and he has to pay a toll along with extra permits across an river and no chance of another fare from the farm back to the train station.
Which would you recommend he takes ?
Then transfer this to the hauliers . Follow the easy route inside the EU or to that pain in the arse U.K. route?
Just as some hauliers have said I’m not going to the uk anymore others have said yes ok I’ll go but you pay me a full round trip, customs , paperwork and time delays.
The buyers are possibly baulking at the cost and maybe the hauliers are saying no thanks I’ll take the cheaper easier option.
I’m a bit removed from all this now but just my thoughts . I may be miles off,
I completely understand its better for hauliers to stay inside the EU due to costs etc.
What I'm not understanding is what has changed for this incident? As far as I'm aware, there has been no change in the last 3 weeks.
But there has
A shortage of fares or food in reality.
We come last as a choice of destination.
If as a haulier I need work I’ll take a bad job sometimes. When my services are in demand I chose where I’m going.
Because the food loads are in short supply a lot of hauliers won’t take cargoes into Morocco knowing they are unlikely to get a return cargo so even though in theory there should be more hauliers than cargoes often that is not the case.
So the fewer that are left can dictate where they are prepared to deliver.
Then add the fact the producers can choose red tape or no red tape then you can easily see why the U.K. falls first.
Like I said I may be wrong .
That's what I've been saying all along, the issue here is actually a shortage.
I understand we come behind the EU because of Brexit, notme put it quite well I think. It makes perfect business sense for the Moroccans to serve the closer market but laying the whole blame at Brexits door just simply isn't true
Brexit in my opinion is exacerbating it all It’s as I said we are suffering constantly over and above others that is definitely Brexit .
So while the original issue may not be Brexit the effects are far worse for the U.K. solely due to Brexit.
In effect the shelves would be half empty if we played on that same playing field. Not fully empty with rationing.
The constant undermining of our economy across a range of issues can only lead to more and more negative outcomes .
A three legged horse can still run in a race but he will fall behind further and further over time.
The gap gets bigger with each furlough travelled.
"You are not considering the supermarkets. If the cost is higher, produce is not of quality they wont buy it, because customers wont buy it. Consider this, if we were still in the EU would the situation be any better? If yes why? | |||
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"The elephant in the room here is costs. We are having to pay more as we have layers of admin and hauliers want more to come to the U.K. . I’m not sure if supermarkets are cutting supply due to prices. That may be a factor and they are blaming everyone else. Similar to their fights with Heinz and Unilever. Why is it a problem this week and not before, that was the question from FastandFeisty a little further up. I don’t think it is just this week I think the underlying problem is ongoing. I agree with earlier comments that the cost of heating greenhouses and maybe the weather have been factors but when your options on logistics are limited as they are now then the easier markets will fair better. I dealt with the initial nightmare of Brexit in January 2020 and the queues and delays cost us hundreds of thousands in demurrage even though we had cut our exports down tremendously to try and reduce the risks. The increased costs such as customs were one thing but the delays lead to hauliers treating the U.K. as a problem child so rates went up and some hauliers just left the U.K. market as it was too much hassle. I thought at the time that’s going to bite over time and here we have another example. Our supply chains being out of the EU are much weaker so any slight changes will impact us far more. It’s a reality of Brexit but as I’ve said above other factors have contributed too. My point is the underlying problem has been there since day one. We've managed (at times with shortages). Now because it's in the papers people wanna shout and scream that's it's all the fault of Brexit, it's been the same for the last 3 years butbbecausebits not in the news we just get bonus with it
We have managed. We now have to manage more frequently.
I'm not sure that I have seen a claim in the press that it is "all the fault of Brexit", but I assume that you will acknowledge that Brexit is a contributory factor.
It just makes everything a bit more crap. It's just another bit of grit in the gears that we could have done without.
I didn't say the press said it was all the fault of Brexit. I said because the shortages are in the press then people shout and scream.
Of course I'll accept that Brexit certainly isn't helping. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question, maybe you can help (wasn't originally directed at you)
Why did we have trucks arriving 3 weeks ago but not anymore?
The reason I ask this is if this was purely Brexit, the trucks wouldn't have been arriving for the last 3 years.
Sorry I just realised you directed that at me.
OK so how about an analogy
A taxi driver outside a train station has a choice of fairs . THE FARE ONLY PAYS ONE WAY.
One is to the airport where he has a good chance of getting another fare and it’s a quick cheap trip no chance of hold ups or delays or added costs.
The other option is a fare to a farm 200 mikes away in the middle of nowhere and he has to pay a toll along with extra permits across an river and no chance of another fare from the farm back to the train station.
Which would you recommend he takes ?
Then transfer this to the hauliers . Follow the easy route inside the EU or to that pain in the arse U.K. route?
Just as some hauliers have said I’m not going to the uk anymore others have said yes ok I’ll go but you pay me a full round trip, customs , paperwork and time delays.
The buyers are possibly baulking at the cost and maybe the hauliers are saying no thanks I’ll take the cheaper easier option.
I’m a bit removed from all this now but just my thoughts . I may be miles off,
I completely understand its better for hauliers to stay inside the EU due to costs etc.
What I'm not understanding is what has changed for this incident? As far as I'm aware, there has been no change in the last 3 weeks.
But there has
A shortage of fares or food in reality.
We come last as a choice of destination.
If as a haulier I need work I’ll take a bad job sometimes. When my services are in demand I chose where I’m going.
Because the food loads are in short supply a lot of hauliers won’t take cargoes into Morocco knowing they are unlikely to get a return cargo so even though in theory there should be more hauliers than cargoes often that is not the case.
So the fewer that are left can dictate where they are prepared to deliver.
Then add the fact the producers can choose red tape or no red tape then you can easily see why the U.K. falls first.
Like I said I may be wrong .
That's what I've been saying all along, the issue here is actually a shortage.
I understand we come behind the EU because of Brexit, notme put it quite well I think. It makes perfect business sense for the Moroccans to serve the closer market but laying the whole blame at Brexits door just simply isn't true
Brexit in my opinion is exacerbating it all It’s as I said we are suffering constantly over and above others that is definitely Brexit .
So while the original issue may not be Brexit the effects are far worse for the U.K. solely due to Brexit.
In effect the shelves would be half empty if we played on that same playing field. Not fully empty with rationing.
The constant undermining of our economy across a range of issues can only lead to more and more negative outcomes .
A three legged horse can still run in a race but he will fall behind further and further over time.
The gap gets bigger with each furlough travelled.
You are not considering the supermarkets.
If the cost is higher, produce is not of quality they wont buy it, because customers wont buy it.
Consider this, if we were still in the EU would the situation be any better? If yes why?"Supermarkets want a profit . They would reduce the shelf life and price but still make a margin. They exist to sell and they will all have the same quality issues. It’s not covered in mould it’s maybe just not as firm or ripened or juicy. In answer to your second part. It’s yes Because logistics is easier and cheaper without Brexit. Delays and additional costs eat into margins in an industry widely known for its slim margins. | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct So why is it only the UK that has empty fruit and vegetable trays in supermarkets? Social Media is full of German, Portuguese and Spanish residents confirming (with picture and video evidence) that they are not suffering shortages." It's not rocket science, the growers in those regions prefer to supply local supermarkets, therefore the local shelves are full. Makes sense, shorter easier journey for the food, cheaper and less hassle. | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct So why is it only the UK that has empty fruit and vegetable trays in supermarkets? Social Media is full of German, Portuguese and Spanish residents confirming (with picture and video evidence) that they are not suffering shortages. It's not rocket science, the growers in those regions prefer to supply local supermarkets, therefore the local shelves are full. Makes sense, shorter easier journey for the food, cheaper and less hassle." Yes they will get a great margin from that. Not. Have a look at the scale of production and the local shops would be full to the ceiling with just a fraction of 40 million tons a year produced. | |||
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"Wow according to news this morning its about shit weather, i dont have a team in the brexit game but op that is clutching at straws But it isn’t just down to the weather is it. If it was, European supermarkets would be short of food too, but they aren’t. As I said to an earlier poster, you can believe the gaslighting or you can try to find out what is really going on. You chose the former. The background story to this goes back to Autumn 2019 when the U.K. signed a rollover trade deal with Morocco with the sole intention of providing the U.K. with food security in the event of fresh fruit and veg from the EU being impacted by out of the ordinary events (for example freak weather!) Unfortunately, no contingency was made to actually ship produce from Morocco to U.K. wholesalers and U.K. wholesalers still relied on EU suppliers. Therefore when an out of the ordinary weather event occurred in southern Europe, EU wholesalers simply used Moroccan produced to keep their shelves fully stocked. U.K. wholesalers didn’t get a look-in. So, absolutely this is (AGAIN) 100% Brexit related. Yoyo! Irony now gone has it? Yes Morocco had poor weather and has not been able to supply, neither has Spain and guess what the Netherlands and many other countries are closing down greenhouses because of rising costs cutting off supplies. This is not just affecting us it is hitting others too. If you got a more rounded view of the world and not pick out soundbites from socialists and union news, you might actually end up with a headline that is correct So why is it only the UK that has empty fruit and vegetable trays in supermarkets? Social Media is full of German, Portuguese and Spanish residents confirming (with picture and video evidence) that they are not suffering shortages. It's not rocket science, the growers in those regions prefer to supply local supermarkets, therefore the local shelves are full. Makes sense, shorter easier journey for the food, cheaper and less hassle." I wondered why our shelves are full of turnips. | |||
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"Today's BBC article apart from the industry concerned saying its to do with bad weather and UK farmers not growing certain things due to high energy bills, mentions that this could last for around a month. What's going to change in a month's time to fix this, they do not say. Interestingly the prices are far more varied than I expected and places like France pay quite a bit more for their fruit and veg. Not sure why in the UK it's so much cheaper The weather becomes milder in a month, reducing the need for heat and lights in greenhouses, reducing the cost to grow and reducing the cost on the shelves "That makes sense if what the BBC amongst others including the actual industry say is correct about the bad weather and high energy prices. However if its brexit as several here say then the shortages are here to stay. Time will tell on that I guess. As a side note another article a couple of weeks ago before this latest saga did mention that getting food from the EU is harder these days. On the flip side though they went onto say that British farmers are reaping the rewards to the tune of a 5 billion pound increase. | |||
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