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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
"What is there to see here? Genuinely. That OP just sounds like a rant. | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant."It's an opinion there in the OP. Some people "wanted their country back". Some of us want our country back from those who "wanted it back". | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant.
It's an opinion there in the OP.
Some people "wanted their country back". Some of us want our country back from those who "wanted it back".
"The OP doesn't say anything about wanting 'their country back'. It's a rant without purpose about not a lot apart from 'the government wants to keep us divided'. Tell us something new | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant.
It's an opinion there in the OP.
Some people "wanted their country back". Some of us want our country back from those who "wanted it back".
The OP doesn't say anything about wanting 'their country back'.
It's a rant without purpose about not a lot apart from 'the government wants to keep us divided'.
Tell us something new "I added the "want the country back" text as a part of the conversation. But yeah, it's nothing new. | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant.
It's an opinion there in the OP.
Some people "wanted their country back". Some of us want our country back from those who "wanted it back".
The OP doesn't say anything about wanting 'their country back'.
It's a rant without purpose about not a lot apart from 'the government wants to keep us divided'.
Tell us something new
I added the "want the country back" text as a part of the conversation.
But yeah, it's nothing new."Got ya. The OP is nothing more than a rant then. That'll help 'bring us back together' | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant.
It's an opinion there in the OP.
Some people "wanted their country back". Some of us want our country back from those who "wanted it back".
The OP doesn't say anything about wanting 'their country back'.
It's a rant without purpose about not a lot apart from 'the government wants to keep us divided'.
Tell us something new
I added the "want the country back" text as a part of the conversation.
But yeah, it's nothing new.
Got ya. The OP is nothing more than a rant then. That'll help 'bring us back together' "Is identifying the problems in society part of bringing people together? I'm not saying this post is doing that. I'm saying in general. | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant."Well do you agree or do you disagree? Do you think it is healthy the Conservatives are going to ramp up their culture wars as an election tactic? Do you think it is healthy that certain newspapers (lol) and media outlets are forever shining the spotlight on groups of people for the sole purpose of confecting anger and outrage? How much healthier might our society be if such divisions were actively discouraged instead of being enabled from the very highest office in the land? We know all of this works because of what we see and read every day not least on this forum. We also know from history that it works because we ended up fighting a war in Europe with the people who last used it to accumulate power. | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
You do love that card
I'm all ears, what is the point of the post "Well as someone who studied/read history at Uni, I think we should heed the warnings of the past. I think the OP is an attempt to do that. We do live in dangerous times because the generation who suffered and fought against extremism and totalitarianism are almost all gone and it appears they have taken their memories with them for many people. Before I am accused of melodrama: 1. Better to have widespread awareness to nip things in the bud early. 2. It starts with small seemingly innocuous and possibly not obviously related things happening but it is the collective impact of these that matter. I do think an attitude of “nothing to see here” is ultimately culpable. We should maintain vigilance and call things out. | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant.
It's an opinion there in the OP.
Some people "wanted their country back". Some of us want our country back from those who "wanted it back".
The OP doesn't say anything about wanting 'their country back'.
It's a rant without purpose about not a lot apart from 'the government wants to keep us divided'.
Tell us something new
I added the "want the country back" text as a part of the conversation.
But yeah, it's nothing new.
Got ya. The OP is nothing more than a rant then. That'll help 'bring us back together'
Is identifying the problems in society part of bringing people together?
I'm not saying this post is doing that. I'm saying in general."It's a one sided rant though. You can say the same about certain Labour MP's and their union paymasters portrayal of them and us all the time. They hate businesses making profits and fib about the actual amounts to suit their narrative. | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant.
It's an opinion there in the OP.
Some people "wanted their country back". Some of us want our country back from those who "wanted it back".
The OP doesn't say anything about wanting 'their country back'.
It's a rant without purpose about not a lot apart from 'the government wants to keep us divided'.
Tell us something new
I added the "want the country back" text as a part of the conversation.
But yeah, it's nothing new.
Got ya. The OP is nothing more than a rant then. That'll help 'bring us back together' "Sometimes people don’t recognise that they have been politically groomed. They buy into the divisions, identify the enemies and actively look to confirm their bias. Recognising that these things are happening is an important part of fighting against it. | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant.
It's an opinion there in the OP.
Some people "wanted their country back". Some of us want our country back from those who "wanted it back".
The OP doesn't say anything about wanting 'their country back'.
It's a rant without purpose about not a lot apart from 'the government wants to keep us divided'.
Tell us something new
I added the "want the country back" text as a part of the conversation.
But yeah, it's nothing new.
Got ya. The OP is nothing more than a rant then. That'll help 'bring us back together'
Is identifying the problems in society part of bringing people together?
I'm not saying this post is doing that. I'm saying in general.
It's a one sided rant though.
You can say the same about certain Labour MP's and their union paymasters portrayal of them and us all the time.
They hate businesses making profits and fib about the actual amounts to suit their narrative. "Then why not make a counter post as thoughtful and insightful to provide an alternative viewpoint rather than criticise the OP? | |||
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"We are officially back in the 1930's. In the pre-WW2 years, dictatorial political leaders realised that if they could create minority public enemies (perceived or otherwise), they could garner support from the broader public by focusing anger and outrage at the public enemies. The division of society was a populist and effective way of drumming up support and distracting from policies and politics that were otherwise pretty damaging. Ladies and Gentlemen - welcome to Britain in 2023. In this land, we have vast swathes of the general public who tune in regularly to right-leaning media outlets to feast on massive portions of daily outrage - refugees, asylum seekers, wokeness and today (we hear from GB News) the Civil Service all represent a threat to the British way of life. If we didn't already realise that this was going on, today a top Conservative donor (Iain Anderson) has dropped his support for the Conservatives after hearing first-hand that the Conservative's next election policy is to fan the flames of the culture wars and keep people outraged and divided. " It is worrying but I have confidence that ultimately they will fail, | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant.
It's an opinion there in the OP.
Some people "wanted their country back". Some of us want our country back from those who "wanted it back".
The OP doesn't say anything about wanting 'their country back'.
It's a rant without purpose about not a lot apart from 'the government wants to keep us divided'.
Tell us something new
I added the "want the country back" text as a part of the conversation.
But yeah, it's nothing new.
Got ya. The OP is nothing more than a rant then. That'll help 'bring us back together'
Is identifying the problems in society part of bringing people together?
I'm not saying this post is doing that. I'm saying in general.
It's a one sided rant though.
You can say the same about certain Labour MP's and their union paymasters portrayal of them and us all the time.
They hate businesses making profits and fib about the actual amounts to suit their narrative. "By using the expression “Union paymasters” you are confirming your own grooming. Why would you use such an expression when you know that factually it is untrue? Fibbing (as you call it) ? | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
You do love that card
I'm all ears, what is the point of the post
Well as someone who studied/read history at Uni, I think we should heed the warnings of the past. I think the OP is an attempt to do that.
We do live in dangerous times because the generation who suffered and fought against extremism and totalitarianism are almost all gone and it appears they have taken their memories with them for many people.
Before I am accused of melodrama:
1. Better to have widespread awareness to nip things in the bud early.
2. It starts with small seemingly innocuous and possibly not obviously related things happening but it is the collective impact of these that matter.
I do think an attitude of “nothing to see here” is ultimately culpable. We should maintain vigilance and call things out."You say we live in dangerous times, haven't we always lived in and will always live in dangerous times? Would you say right now is more dangerous than 20 years ago, how about 150 years ago, 2000 years? Humans are always fighting, you would have thought we would have learnt by now... | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant.
It's an opinion there in the OP.
Some people "wanted their country back". Some of us want our country back from those who "wanted it back".
The OP doesn't say anything about wanting 'their country back'.
It's a rant without purpose about not a lot apart from 'the government wants to keep us divided'.
Tell us something new
I added the "want the country back" text as a part of the conversation.
But yeah, it's nothing new.
Got ya. The OP is nothing more than a rant then. That'll help 'bring us back together'
Is identifying the problems in society part of bringing people together?
I'm not saying this post is doing that. I'm saying in general.
It's a one sided rant though.
You can say the same about certain Labour MP's and their union paymasters portrayal of them and us all the time.
They hate businesses making profits and fib about the actual amounts to suit their narrative.
By using the expression “Union paymasters” you are confirming your own grooming. Why would you use such an expression when you know that factually it is untrue?
Fibbing (as you call it) ?"Aren't you also confirming your grooming with the OP? Or do you see your view point as different? | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant.
Well do you agree or do you disagree?
Do you think it is healthy the Conservatives are going to ramp up their culture wars as an election tactic?
Do you think it is healthy that certain newspapers (lol) and media outlets are forever shining the spotlight on groups of people for the sole purpose of confecting anger and outrage?
How much healthier might our society be if such divisions were actively discouraged instead of being enabled from the very highest office in the land?
We know all of this works because of what we see and read every day not least on this forum. We also know from history that it works because we ended up fighting a war in Europe with the people who last used it to accumulate power."If you had said all of that in the OP I would've answered and wouldn't have taken issue. Ranting is never ever gonna get anyone to look at the way they view things. If you seriously want people who may see things differently to you, to think about things, you're gonna need to change tact. This is a massive problem that we face, there are far too many people that rant. It doesn't help in the slightest. | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
You do love that card
I'm all ears, what is the point of the post
Well as someone who studied/read history at Uni, I think we should heed the warnings of the past. I think the OP is an attempt to do that.
We do live in dangerous times because the generation who suffered and fought against extremism and totalitarianism are almost all gone and it appears they have taken their memories with them for many people.
Before I am accused of melodrama:
1. Better to have widespread awareness to nip things in the bud early.
2. It starts with small seemingly innocuous and possibly not obviously related things happening but it is the collective impact of these that matter.
I do think an attitude of “nothing to see here” is ultimately culpable. We should maintain vigilance and call things out.
You say we live in dangerous times, haven't we always lived in and will always live in dangerous times?
Would you say right now is more dangerous than 20 years ago, how about 150 years ago, 2000 years?
Humans are always fighting, you would have thought we would have learnt by now...
"Yes I whole-heartedly think the past few years are more dangerous times than 20 years ago. More dangerous than at any time since the Cold War. The economic and societal conditions are more conducive for exploitation by extremists than at any time in my life time. | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant.
It's an opinion there in the OP.
Some people "wanted their country back". Some of us want our country back from those who "wanted it back".
The OP doesn't say anything about wanting 'their country back'.
It's a rant without purpose about not a lot apart from 'the government wants to keep us divided'.
Tell us something new
I added the "want the country back" text as a part of the conversation.
But yeah, it's nothing new.
Got ya. The OP is nothing more than a rant then. That'll help 'bring us back together'
Is identifying the problems in society part of bringing people together?
I'm not saying this post is doing that. I'm saying in general.
It's a one sided rant though.
You can say the same about certain Labour MP's and their union paymasters portrayal of them and us all the time.
They hate businesses making profits and fib about the actual amounts to suit their narrative.
By using the expression “Union paymasters” you are confirming your own grooming. Why would you use such an expression when you know that factually it is untrue?
Fibbing (as you call it) ?"So you are trying to suggest that unions do not pay money into the Labour Party? | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant.
It's an opinion there in the OP.
Some people "wanted their country back". Some of us want our country back from those who "wanted it back".
The OP doesn't say anything about wanting 'their country back'.
It's a rant without purpose about not a lot apart from 'the government wants to keep us divided'.
Tell us something new
I added the "want the country back" text as a part of the conversation.
But yeah, it's nothing new.
Got ya. The OP is nothing more than a rant then. That'll help 'bring us back together'
Is identifying the problems in society part of bringing people together?
I'm not saying this post is doing that. I'm saying in general.
It's a one sided rant though.
You can say the same about certain Labour MP's and their union paymasters portrayal of them and us all the time.
They hate businesses making profits and fib about the actual amounts to suit their narrative.
By using the expression “Union paymasters” you are confirming your own grooming. Why would you use such an expression when you know that factually it is untrue?
Fibbing (as you call it) ?
Aren't you also confirming your grooming with the OP?
Or do you see your view point as different?"If you read my post again it was merely pointing to the fact the same applies the the opposition party. | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant.
It's an opinion there in the OP.
Some people "wanted their country back". Some of us want our country back from those who "wanted it back".
The OP doesn't say anything about wanting 'their country back'.
It's a rant without purpose about not a lot apart from 'the government wants to keep us divided'.
Tell us something new
I added the "want the country back" text as a part of the conversation.
But yeah, it's nothing new.
Got ya. The OP is nothing more than a rant then. That'll help 'bring us back together'
Is identifying the problems in society part of bringing people together?
I'm not saying this post is doing that. I'm saying in general.
It's a one sided rant though.
You can say the same about certain Labour MP's and their union paymasters portrayal of them and us all the time.
They hate businesses making profits and fib about the actual amounts to suit their narrative. "This simply isn't true. | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
What is there to see here? Genuinely.
That OP just sounds like a rant.
It's an opinion there in the OP.
Some people "wanted their country back". Some of us want our country back from those who "wanted it back".
The OP doesn't say anything about wanting 'their country back'.
It's a rant without purpose about not a lot apart from 'the government wants to keep us divided'.
Tell us something new
I added the "want the country back" text as a part of the conversation.
But yeah, it's nothing new.
Got ya. The OP is nothing more than a rant then. That'll help 'bring us back together'
Is identifying the problems in society part of bringing people together?
I'm not saying this post is doing that. I'm saying in general.
It's a one sided rant though.
You can say the same about certain Labour MP's and their union paymasters portrayal of them and us all the time.
They hate businesses making profits and fib about the actual amounts to suit their narrative.
By using the expression “Union paymasters” you are confirming your own grooming. Why would you use such an expression when you know that factually it is untrue?
Fibbing (as you call it) ?
Aren't you also confirming your grooming with the OP?
Or do you see your view point as different?
If you read my post again it was merely pointing to the fact the same applies the the opposition party."My post was questioning the person who created the thread  | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
You do love that card
I'm all ears, what is the point of the post
Well as someone who studied/read history at Uni, I think we should heed the warnings of the past. I think the OP is an attempt to do that.
We do live in dangerous times because the generation who suffered and fought against extremism and totalitarianism are almost all gone and it appears they have taken their memories with them for many people.
Before I am accused of melodrama:
1. Better to have widespread awareness to nip things in the bud early.
2. It starts with small seemingly innocuous and possibly not obviously related things happening but it is the collective impact of these that matter.
I do think an attitude of “nothing to see here” is ultimately culpable. We should maintain vigilance and call things out.
You say we live in dangerous times, haven't we always lived in and will always live in dangerous times?
Would you say right now is more dangerous than 20 years ago, how about 150 years ago, 2000 years?
Humans are always fighting, you would have thought we would have learnt by now...
Yes I whole-heartedly think the past few years are more dangerous times than 20 years ago. More dangerous than at any time since the Cold War. The economic and societal conditions are more conducive for exploitation by extremists than at any time in my life time. "Is it though? Isn’t it easier now to hear millions of anonymous opinions being broadcast across the internet 24x7? The media outlets see the fascination we have to be heard and the need for the most polarising stories, to feed our appetites. They serve their audiences well and that can be seen most days in here as the headlines are thrown around the forum with either joy or spite. 20 years ago, was it really any different or was it simply you couldn’t hear the opinions of millions? | |||
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" You can say the same about certain Labour MP's and their union paymasters portrayal of them and us all the time. They hate businesses making profits and fib about the actual amounts to suit their narrative. By using the expression “Union paymasters” you are confirming your own grooming. Why would you use such an expression when you know that factually it is untrue? Fibbing (as you call it) ? So you are trying to suggest that unions do not pay money into the Labour Party? " Do you think there is a difference between unions supporting the Labour Party financially and the Unions being “Paymasters”? Paymaster definition: “a person or organisation that pays for something to happen and therefore has or expects to have some control over it.” If you do think that these things are one and the same, then equally the Conservative Party must have tax-dodging billionaire paymasters right? Now if I were to agree with you that financially supporting a political party means that you get control over it (which I don’t), I think I would feel safer knowing that my interests are being represented by people just like me, rather than by people who would rather see me sent back to serfdom. | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
You do love that card
I'm all ears, what is the point of the post
Well as someone who studied/read history at Uni, I think we should heed the warnings of the past. I think the OP is an attempt to do that.
We do live in dangerous times because the generation who suffered and fought against extremism and totalitarianism are almost all gone and it appears they have taken their memories with them for many people.
Before I am accused of melodrama:
1. Better to have widespread awareness to nip things in the bud early.
2. It starts with small seemingly innocuous and possibly not obviously related things happening but it is the collective impact of these that matter.
I do think an attitude of “nothing to see here” is ultimately culpable. We should maintain vigilance and call things out.
You say we live in dangerous times, haven't we always lived in and will always live in dangerous times?
Would you say right now is more dangerous than 20 years ago, how about 150 years ago, 2000 years?
Humans are always fighting, you would have thought we would have learnt by now...
Yes I whole-heartedly think the past few years are more dangerous times than 20 years ago. More dangerous than at any time since the Cold War. The economic and societal conditions are more conducive for exploitation by extremists than at any time in my life time.
Is it though? Isn’t it easier now to hear millions of anonymous opinions being broadcast across the internet 24x7?
The media outlets see the fascination we have to be heard and the need for the most polarising stories, to feed our appetites. They serve their audiences well and that can be seen most days in here as the headlines are thrown around the forum with either joy or spite.
20 years ago, was it really any different or was it simply you couldn’t hear the opinions of millions?"Oh come on you are smarter than that. Economic conditions are THE major driver of societal opinions. You cannot exploit or as easily manipulate happy contented people. You need hard times so you can point to scapegoats. In the 30s we had the post war reparations affecting Germany and the great depression affecting the world. Since 2008 we have had the financial sector crash, leading to austerity, pandemic, Ukraine, Brexit all impacting on living standards. Prior to that we had unparalleled growth and politics aside, the period mid-90s to 2007 were a boom period for most people. So yes, we are at a more dangerous period in history than for many many years. | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
You do love that card
I'm all ears, what is the point of the post
Well as someone who studied/read history at Uni, I think we should heed the warnings of the past. I think the OP is an attempt to do that.
We do live in dangerous times because the generation who suffered and fought against extremism and totalitarianism are almost all gone and it appears they have taken their memories with them for many people.
Before I am accused of melodrama:
1. Better to have widespread awareness to nip things in the bud early.
2. It starts with small seemingly innocuous and possibly not obviously related things happening but it is the collective impact of these that matter.
I do think an attitude of “nothing to see here” is ultimately culpable. We should maintain vigilance and call things out.
You say we live in dangerous times, haven't we always lived in and will always live in dangerous times?
Would you say right now is more dangerous than 20 years ago, how about 150 years ago, 2000 years?
Humans are always fighting, you would have thought we would have learnt by now...
Yes I whole-heartedly think the past few years are more dangerous times than 20 years ago. More dangerous than at any time since the Cold War. The economic and societal conditions are more conducive for exploitation by extremists than at any time in my life time.
Is it though? Isn’t it easier now to hear millions of anonymous opinions being broadcast across the internet 24x7?
The media outlets see the fascination we have to be heard and the need for the most polarising stories, to feed our appetites. They serve their audiences well and that can be seen most days in here as the headlines are thrown around the forum with either joy or spite.
20 years ago, was it really any different or was it simply you couldn’t hear the opinions of millions?
Oh come on you are smarter than that. Economic conditions are THE major driver of societal opinions. You cannot exploit or as easily manipulate happy contented people. You need hard times so you can point to scapegoats.
In the 30s we had the post war reparations affecting Germany and the great depression affecting the world.
Since 2008 we have had the financial sector crash, leading to austerity, pandemic, Ukraine, Brexit all impacting on living standards.
Prior to that we had unparalleled growth and politics aside, the period mid-90s to 2007 were a boom period for most people.
So yes, we are at a more dangerous period in history than for many many years. "Of course you are correct. But as usual the groomed are unable to see that they have been played and are now pawns in a game being played by those who have groomed them. Would they have been as vulnerable to grooming in a wealthy and fair society? Of course not. | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
You do love that card
I'm all ears, what is the point of the post
Well as someone who studied/read history at Uni, I think we should heed the warnings of the past. I think the OP is an attempt to do that.
We do live in dangerous times because the generation who suffered and fought against extremism and totalitarianism are almost all gone and it appears they have taken their memories with them for many people.
Before I am accused of melodrama:
1. Better to have widespread awareness to nip things in the bud early.
2. It starts with small seemingly innocuous and possibly not obviously related things happening but it is the collective impact of these that matter.
I do think an attitude of “nothing to see here” is ultimately culpable. We should maintain vigilance and call things out.
You say we live in dangerous times, haven't we always lived in and will always live in dangerous times?
Would you say right now is more dangerous than 20 years ago, how about 150 years ago, 2000 years?
Humans are always fighting, you would have thought we would have learnt by now...
Yes I whole-heartedly think the past few years are more dangerous times than 20 years ago. More dangerous than at any time since the Cold War. The economic and societal conditions are more conducive for exploitation by extremists than at any time in my life time.
Is it though? Isn’t it easier now to hear millions of anonymous opinions being broadcast across the internet 24x7?
The media outlets see the fascination we have to be heard and the need for the most polarising stories, to feed our appetites. They serve their audiences well and that can be seen most days in here as the headlines are thrown around the forum with either joy or spite.
20 years ago, was it really any different or was it simply you couldn’t hear the opinions of millions?
Oh come on you are smarter than that. Economic conditions are THE major driver of societal opinions. You cannot exploit or as easily manipulate happy contented people. You need hard times so you can point to scapegoats.
In the 30s we had the post war reparations affecting Germany and the great depression affecting the world.
Since 2008 we have had the financial sector crash, leading to austerity, pandemic, Ukraine, Brexit all impacting on living standards.
Prior to that we had unparalleled growth and politics aside, the period mid-90s to 2007 were a boom period for most people.
So yes, we are at a more dangerous period in history than for many many years.
Of course you are correct.
But as usual the groomed are unable to see that they have been played and are now pawns in a game being played by those who have groomed them.
Would they have been as vulnerable to grooming in a wealthy and fair society? Of course not."The irony kills me here, groomed you say? | |||
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Well as someone who studied/read history at Uni, I think we should heed the warnings of the past. I think the OP is an attempt to do that.
We do live in dangerous times because the generation who suffered and fought against extremism and totalitarianism are almost all gone and it appears they have taken their memories with them for many people.
Before I am accused of melodrama:
1. Better to have widespread awareness to nip things in the bud early.
2. It starts with small seemingly innocuous and possibly not obviously related things happening but it is the collective impact of these that matter.
I do think an attitude of “nothing to see here” is ultimately culpable. We should maintain vigilance and call things out.
You say we live in dangerous times, haven't we always lived in and will always live in dangerous times?
Would you say right now is more dangerous than 20 years ago, how about 150 years ago, 2000 years?
Humans are always fighting, you would have thought we would have learnt by now...
Yes I whole-heartedly think the past few years are more dangerous times than 20 years ago. More dangerous than at any time since the Cold War. The economic and societal conditions are more conducive for exploitation by extremists than at any time in my life time.
Is it though? Isn’t it easier now to hear millions of anonymous opinions being broadcast across the internet 24x7?
The media outlets see the fascination we have to be heard and the need for the most polarising stories, to feed our appetites. They serve their audiences well and that can be seen most days in here as the headlines are thrown around the forum with either joy or spite.
20 years ago, was it really any different or was it simply you couldn’t hear the opinions of millions?
Oh come on you are smarter than that. Economic conditions are THE major driver of societal opinions. You cannot exploit or as easily manipulate happy contented people. You need hard times so you can point to scapegoats.
In the 30s we had the post war reparations affecting Germany and the great depression affecting the world.
Since 2008 we have had the financial sector crash, leading to austerity, pandemic, Ukraine, Brexit all impacting on living standards.
Prior to that we had unparalleled growth and politics aside, the period mid-90s to 2007 were a boom period for most people.
So yes, we are at a more dangerous period in history than for many many years.
Of course you are correct.
But as usual the groomed are unable to see that they have been played and are now pawns in a game being played by those who have groomed them.
Would they have been as vulnerable to grooming in a wealthy and fair society? Of course not.
The irony kills me here, groomed you say?"Read this back a few times. What is the irony? | |||
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"Do you feel better now you got that off your chest
Right on cue “there’s nothing really to see here!”
You do love that card
I'm all ears, what is the point of the post
Well as someone who studied/read history at Uni, I think we should heed the warnings of the past. I think the OP is an attempt to do that.
We do live in dangerous times because the generation who suffered and fought against extremism and totalitarianism are almost all gone and it appears they have taken their memories with them for many people.
Before I am accused of melodrama:
1. Better to have widespread awareness to nip things in the bud early.
2. It starts with small seemingly innocuous and possibly not obviously related things happening but it is the collective impact of these that matter.
I do think an attitude of “nothing to see here” is ultimately culpable. We should maintain vigilance and call things out.
You say we live in dangerous times, haven't we always lived in and will always live in dangerous times?
Would you say right now is more dangerous than 20 years ago, how about 150 years ago, 2000 years?
Humans are always fighting, you would have thought we would have learnt by now...
Yes I whole-heartedly think the past few years are more dangerous times than 20 years ago. More dangerous than at any time since the Cold War. The economic and societal conditions are more conducive for exploitation by extremists than at any time in my life time.
Is it though? Isn’t it easier now to hear millions of anonymous opinions being broadcast across the internet 24x7?
The media outlets see the fascination we have to be heard and the need for the most polarising stories, to feed our appetites. They serve their audiences well and that can be seen most days in here as the headlines are thrown around the forum with either joy or spite.
20 years ago, was it really any different or was it simply you couldn’t hear the opinions of millions?
Oh come on you are smarter than that. Economic conditions are THE major driver of societal opinions. You cannot exploit or as easily manipulate happy contented people. You need hard times so you can point to scapegoats.
In the 30s we had the post war reparations affecting Germany and the great depression affecting the world.
Since 2008 we have had the financial sector crash, leading to austerity, pandemic, Ukraine, Brexit all impacting on living standards.
Prior to that we had unparalleled growth and politics aside, the period mid-90s to 2007 were a boom period for most people.
So yes, we are at a more dangerous period in history than for many many years.
Of course you are correct.
But as usual the groomed are unable to see that they have been played and are now pawns in a game being played by those who have groomed them.
Would they have been as vulnerable to grooming in a wealthy and fair society? Of course not.
The irony kills me here, groomed you say?
Read this back a few times. What is the irony?"Really? The original post and the poster are very politically motivated, as per the socialist thread as an example. Yet they seem to suggest anyone who doesn’t share their political leanings are groomed, and it’s not the first time they’ve suggested this, a bit of a common theme. If I’ve misread the poster, I’m all ears in the how | |||
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