FabSwingers.com forum: The political forum

By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Is the forum weighted to the left, the right or is it a balanced forum where opinions and ideas are listened too and respected equally amongst the contributors?

Are political news stories avoided or jumped upon to gain points?

I look forward to reading your thoughts

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

I cannot figure out if fewer posters make more news or if more posters have similar views.

I think there is a slight left leaning skew.

However, I think that is in part exaggerated as it is in reality more an anti the current Govt view more than an actual leftwing view dominance.

Also if we are being honest, politics in the UK has been dragged to the right anyway, so it feels like lots more ground is covered by the left than the right. Timemachine back 30-40 years and it would probably feel pretty centrist.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

*fewer posters make more NOISE

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Left

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"*fewer posters make more NOISE "

This is very true from my experience.

Personally I would like to see more thought or consideration. I know I have stronger views on certain subjects, such as law and order I like to have my thoughts tested. I’m not looking to win, more looking to stress test my thoughts, but on many occasions I face a stock answer, the one that worked before, the slap down so to speak.

Occasionally I have seen a good argument the has made me consider my views, and that is something I like, but don’t see enough of, thoughtful reasoning.

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Left "

I agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Left

I agree"
Daily onslaught of people angry with everything. I couldn't be them at all. I try to understand just can't. Just like my incoherent rants.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Is the forum weighted to the left, the right or is it a balanced forum where opinions and ideas are listened too and respected equally amongst the contributors?

Are political news stories avoided or jumped upon to gain points?

I look forward to reading your thoughts

To me it's right leaning, because I am not friends with anyone in real life who supports the current government, or who voted for brexit (except a couple who naively thought it would destroy the Tories), as examples. And I am sure there is an equal and opposite view for conservative voters/Brexiteers.

I will say, over time, it's shifted the balance more to the left, used to get multiple PMs a day with abuse when you questioned brexit or Boris. Now it's one or so a fortnight. But fab as a whole seems to be a hotbed or brexiteers, covid conspiracy theorists, and climate change deniers. None of which I ever meet in real life.

There is also a faction of people who just want to argue endless semantics. Which I find less exciting.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Left

I agree Daily onslaught of people angry with everything. I couldn't be them at all. I try to understand just can't. Just like my incoherent rants."

You have your own category.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

The anti establishment agenda is just as apparent here as in the virus section however the views for the main part tend to be more intelligent and debatable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't wake up read the news think.of the government screwing me over and have to run to the forums to vent my anger.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't wake up read the news think.of the government screwing me over and have to run to the forums to vent my anger.

fuck it you only have one life to live. Good bad and the ugly. I just understand the thought process of constantly bickering over something you do not have control over until there is a general public consensus. "
lol and some people instead of asking a simple direct question just go into a dissertation on why their point has to be made. The Why why why why. Is annoying. Just like this rant to some.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Forums are kind of useless for debates. People try consider the others that respond as a opponent a adversary. No matter what someone with life experience can say. You always going to stand for you values because you are a complete stranger. I changed people's minds face to face and the good ole "Show me" approach. It's fun to debate but there is a certain level of if it's a debate or if it's someone just being obsessive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

L I ranting what's the point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Is the forum weighted to the left, the right or is it a balanced forum where opinions and ideas are listened too and respected equally amongst the contributors?

Are political news stories avoided or jumped upon to gain points?

I look forward to reading your thoughts

Those who are vocally to the right seem to be very right.

Strongly pro-Brexit or anti-immigrant or pro-Government.

However, there have been fewer, louder voices on this side as time has gone on.

There are often claims of people being "hounded" off the forum, but generally that seems to be more down to continuously failing arguments.

Those who lean left tend to be more anti-current Government than anything vaguely resembling socialist. In fact the left lean is really what used to be considered the centre not that long ago. Ken Clarke, Philip Hammond and John Major are left leaning in the current political environment.

I don't think news stories are avoided by anyone, despite the odd accusation.

The semantic arguments are really dull, as is the lack of a basic ability to use Google before launching into something just plain wrong.

I tend to ask questions, which seems to upset people a lot. I assume that means that once they have gone away and used Google they find out the answer...

I do always try to answer questions, if I can understand them

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"I don't wake up read the news think.of the government screwing me over and have to run to the forums to vent my anger.

You post on here an awful lot for someone who thinks it's silly to "run to the forums".

Just a thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't wake up read the news think.of the government screwing me over and have to run to the forums to vent my anger.

You post on here an awful lot for someone who thinks it's silly to "run to the forums".

Just a thought."
really ? Where are you posts more focused on the little green arrow is a tell tale. Your interests are clearly obvious. Mine mostly social.

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Is the forum weighted to the left, the right or is it a balanced forum where opinions and ideas are listened too and respected equally amongst the contributors?

Are political news stories avoided or jumped upon to gain points?

I look forward to reading your thoughts

Those who are vocally to the right seem to be very right.

Strongly pro-Brexit or anti-immigrant or pro-Government.

However, there have been fewer, louder voices on this side as time has gone on.

There are often claims of people being "hounded" off the forum, but generally that seems to be more down to continuously failing arguments.

I don't think news stories are avoided by anyone, despite the odd accusation.

The semantic arguments are really dull, as is the lack of a basic ability to use Google before launching into something just plain wrong.

I tend to ask questions, which seems to upset people a lot. I assume that means that once they have gone away and used Google they find out the answer...

I do always try to answer questions, if I can understand them

Considered answer, thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't wake up read the news think.of the government screwing me over and have to run to the forums to vent my anger.

You post on here an awful lot for someone who thinks it's silly to "run to the forums".

Just a thought."
Also you the worst annoying no offense you have a habit of trying to use your overconfident intellect to belittle someone. Instead of being instead asking a single question to a debate. You have to make it a dissertation on why why why to your benefit. It's just a observation. Hence why I ignore you most of the time. Try dumbing it down a bit. Not everyone is pompous as you. Just a suggestion.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Is the forum weighted to the left, the right or is it a balanced forum where opinions and ideas are listened too and respected equally amongst the contributors?

Are political news stories avoided or jumped upon to gain points?

I look forward to reading your thoughts

Those who are vocally to the right seem to be very right.

Strongly pro-Brexit or anti-immigrant or pro-Government.

However, there have been fewer, louder voices on this side as time has gone on.

There are often claims of people being "hounded" off the forum, but generally that seems to be more down to continuously failing arguments.

I don't think news stories are avoided by anyone, despite the odd accusation.

The semantic arguments are really dull, as is the lack of a basic ability to use Google before launching into something just plain wrong.

I tend to ask questions, which seems to upset people a lot. I assume that means that once they have gone away and used Google they find out the answer...

I do always try to answer questions, if I can understand them

Considered answer, thank you

I do also try and answer the OP before getting distracted

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"I don't wake up read the news think.of the government screwing me over and have to run to the forums to vent my anger.

fuck it you only have one life to live. Good bad and the ugly. I just understand the thought process of constantly bickering over something you do not have control over until there is a general public consensus. lol and some people instead of asking a simple direct question just go into a dissertation on why their point has to be made. The Why why why why. Is annoying. Just like this rant to some."

I would love to spend an evening chewing over the news or issues of the day with you.

I'm confident you have a lot of insight and opinion to make any interaction an interesting time

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Is the forum weighted to the left, the right or is it a balanced forum where opinions and ideas are listened too and respected equally amongst the contributors?

Are political news stories avoided or jumped upon to gain points?

I look forward to reading your thoughts

Those who are vocally to the right seem to be very right.

Strongly pro-Brexit or anti-immigrant or pro-Government.

However, there have been fewer, louder voices on this side as time has gone on.

There are often claims of people being "hounded" off the forum, but generally that seems to be more down to continuously failing arguments.

I don't think news stories are avoided by anyone, despite the odd accusation.

The semantic arguments are really dull, as is the lack of a basic ability to use Google before launching into something just plain wrong.

I tend to ask questions, which seems to upset people a lot. I assume that means that once they have gone away and used Google they find out the answer...

I do always try to answer questions, if I can understand them

Considered answer, thank you

I do also try and answer the OP before getting distracted

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"I don't wake up read the news think.of the government screwing me over and have to run to the forums to vent my anger.

You post on here an awful lot for someone who thinks it's silly to "run to the forums".

Just a thought. Also you the worst annoying no offense you have a habit of trying to use your overconfident intellect to belittle someone. Instead of being instead asking a single question to a debate. You have to make it a dissertation on why why why to your benefit. It's just a observation. Hence why I ignore you most of the time. Try dumbing it down a bit. Not everyone is pompous as you. Just a suggestion. "

That is your assertion.

My questions are usually very direct. I will also answer anything that you ask if I understand your question. You very rarely answer directly. Not even now.

Most topics are complicated. "Dumbing" it down is exactly why there are bad answers being provided in politics and the real world.

You never ignore me

Also please don't write "no offense" when you have every intention of causing offence and then call me pompous. It's very hypocritical.

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"I don't wake up read the news think.of the government screwing me over and have to run to the forums to vent my anger.

You post on here an awful lot for someone who thinks it's silly to "run to the forums".

Easyuk asks and challenges in a way that makes you question the question and your answer, most people don't like that.

I like his challenges, I like yours too, polor opposite yet so steadfast

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't wake up read the news think.of the government screwing me over and have to run to the forums to vent my anger.

fuck it you only have one life to live. Good bad and the ugly. I just understand the thought process of constantly bickering over something you do not have control over until there is a general public consensus. lol and some people instead of asking a simple direct question just go into a dissertation on why their point has to be made. The Why why why why. Is annoying. Just like this rant to some.

I would love to spend an evening chewing over the news or issues of the day with you.

I'm confident you have a lot of insight and opinion to make any interaction an interesting time

"
Going 4 wheeling shooting guns drinking moonshine by a fire pit discussing life is so terrible and I am the stupid one.

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"I don't wake up read the news think.of the government screwing me over and have to run to the forums to vent my anger.

fuck it you only have one life to live. Good bad and the ugly. I just understand the thought process of constantly bickering over something you do not have control over until there is a general public consensus. lol and some people instead of asking a simple direct question just go into a dissertation on why their point has to be made. The Why why why why. Is annoying. Just like this rant to some.

I would love to spend an evening chewing over the news or issues of the day with you.

I'm confident you have a lot of insight and opinion to make any interaction an interesting time

Going 4 wheeling shooting guns drinking moonshine by a fire pit discussing life is so terrible and I am the stupid one."

Do all of those tings together at the same time, would more than likely push you into a Darwin award category, but I know wouldn't do that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't wake up read the news think.of the government screwing me over and have to run to the forums to vent my anger.

fuck it you only have one life to live. Good bad and the ugly. I just understand the thought process of constantly bickering over something you do not have control over until there is a general public consensus. lol and some people instead of asking a simple direct question just go into a dissertation on why their point has to be made. The Why why why why. Is annoying. Just like this rant to some.

I would love to spend an evening chewing over the news or issues of the day with you.

I'm confident you have a lot of insight and opinion to make any interaction an interesting time

Going 4 wheeling shooting guns drinking moonshine by a fire pit discussing life is so terrible and I am the stupid one."

Driving, shooting, drinking moonshine & fire. What could go wrong with that mix?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't wake up read the news think.of the government screwing me over and have to run to the forums to vent my anger.

fuck it you only have one life to live. Good bad and the ugly. I just understand the thought process of constantly bickering over something you do not have control over until there is a general public consensus. lol and some people instead of asking a simple direct question just go into a dissertation on why their point has to be made. The Why why why why. Is annoying. Just like this rant to some.

I would love to spend an evening chewing over the news or issues of the day with you.

I'm confident you have a lot of insight and opinion to make any interaction an interesting time

Going 4 wheeling shooting guns drinking moonshine by a fire pit discussing life is so terrible and I am the stupid one.

Do all of those tings together at the same time, would more than likely push you into a Darwin award category, but I know wouldn't do that

I haven't read those things for years. I wonder if they're still running.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simplicity ... Forget your egos your level of education... True communication for everyone is simplicity keep it basic . Otherwise you come off as a pampas asshat that thinks they know everything. Clearly I don't give a fuck about my public perception. Keep it basic you will be surprised by the responses.

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Simplicity ... Forget your egos your level of education... True communication for everyone is simplicity keep it basic . Otherwise you come off as a pampas asshat that thinks they know everything. Clearly I don't give a fuck about my public perception. Keep it basic you will be surprised by the responses. "

Authenticity wins the day?

I agree with this, online / in-life I can tell instantly those that are not being genuine and I find myself levitated towards those that are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Authenticity wins the day?

I agree with this, online / in-life I can tell instantly those that are not being genuine and I find myself levitated towards those that are."

I wish I could float too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Authenticity wins the day?

I agree with this, online / in-life I can tell instantly those that are not being genuine and I find myself levitated towards those that are.

I wish I could float too."
ask Scotty

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Is it possible that some things are complicated and not "basic"?

That's a basic question that you can answer, right?

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Authenticity wins the day?

I agree with this, online / in-life I can tell instantly those that are not being genuine and I find myself levitated towards those that are.

I wish I could float too."

are you referencing "levitate"? you certainly can if you can see the meaning more than float? To glide, to hover towards.

Wrong turn of phrase, happy to understand if it was

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Authenticity wins the day?

I agree with this, online / in-life I can tell instantly those that are not being genuine and I find myself levitated towards those that are.

I wish I could float too. ask Scotty

I did. I couldn't understand his reply, with his accent. Something about engines cannae be tekking any more?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Authenticity wins the day?

I agree with this, online / in-life I can tell instantly those that are not being genuine and I find myself levitated towards those that are.

I wish I could float too.

are you referencing "levitate"? you certainly can if you can see the meaning more than float? To glide, to hover towards.

Wrong turn of phrase, happy to understand if it was

Just having a little joke.

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Authenticity wins the day?

I agree with this, online / in-life I can tell instantly those that are not being genuine and I find myself levitated towards those that are.

I wish I could float too.

are you referencing "levitate"? you certainly can if you can see the meaning more than float? To glide, to hover towards.

Wrong turn of phrase, happy to understand if it was

Just having a little joke."

Understood, your post above made me chuckle

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Authenticity wins the day?

I agree with this, online / in-life I can tell instantly those that are not being genuine and I find myself levitated towards those that are.

I wish I could float too.

are you referencing "levitate"? you certainly can if you can see the meaning more than float? To glide, to hover towards.

Wrong turn of phrase, happy to understand if it was

I think that the intended word is "gravitating", but trying to clarify this will probably make me a "pompous asshat".

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Authenticity wins the day?

I agree with this, online / in-life I can tell instantly those that are not being genuine and I find myself levitated towards those that are.

I wish I could float too.

are you referencing "levitate"? you certainly can if you can see the meaning more than float? To glide, to hover towards.

Wrong turn of phrase, happy to understand if it was

I think that the intended word is "gravitating", but trying to clarify this will probably make me a "pompous asshat"."

I think you could be right, arse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it possible that some things are complicated and not "basic"?

That's a basic question that you can answer, right?"
Is water water to people? Or is it H2O. Break It down so the other masses can understand.you can be a intimidating dickhead.. no offense. It's in your nature. Just being brutally honest. I enjoy your inquisitive nature sometimes. But fucking hell other times I just want to eat a 9mm trying to answer your 50 million questions is kinda daunting.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Is it possible that some things are complicated and not "basic"?

That's a basic question that you can answer, right? Is water water to people? Or is it H2O. Break It down so the other masses can understand.you can be a intimidating dickhead.. no offense. It's in your nature. Just being brutally honest. I enjoy your inquisitive nature sometimes. But fucking hell other times I just want to eat a 9mm trying to answer your 50 million questions is kinda daunting."

You did not need to answer that question as you did.

A yes/no answer was all that was required or expected. I was not trying to intimidate anyone. I don't need to. It serves no purpose.

I'm not sure you realise how complicated your answers are. They are like parables. That's the problem. Most of the arguments that you have on the forum are because people do not understand what point you are making or follow your logic.

If you are keen on basic communication, we should start there, so that we all know what we're talking about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck it come sit by a fire.. drinking apple pie moonshine. Contemplating other things in life I can be biased to your needs and wants. At this point your family. I do not need anyone else because you brave enough to show up in the first place.dont give a shit about your politics your sexual preference race or any other thing society dictates. Step into my doors you are family. I respected you from the beginning. Let's talk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it possible that some things are complicated and not "basic"?

You did not need to answer that question as you did.

A yes/no answer was all that was required or expected. I was not trying to intimidate anyone. I don't need to. It serves no purpose.

If you are keen on basic communication, we should start there, so that we all know what we're talking about."
I don't need your questions it's a everyday event. I tried with you it just bring on even more questions. It's a revolving door.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it possible that some things are complicated and not "basic"?

You did not need to answer that question as you did.

A yes/no answer was all that was required or expected. I was not trying to intimidate anyone. I don't need to. It serves no purpose.

If you are keen on basic communication, we should start there, so that we all know what we're talking about."
Parables really how many people understand your attempts at justification to my argument.FFS keep it simple . Not everyone here has the same wannabe intellect as you don't you think ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it possible that some things are complicated and not "basic"?

You did not need to answer that question as you did.

A yes/no answer was all that was required or expected. I was not trying to intimidate anyone. I don't need to. It serves no purpose.

If you are keen on basic communication, we should start there, so that we all know what we're talking about. Parables really how many people understand your attempts at justification to my argument.FFS keep it simple . Not everyone here has the same wannabe intellect as you don't you think ? "
Go whine into a thesaurus.it will suit your needs I prefer simplicity .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But back to the OP question... It's clearly left leaning. Enjoy my perceptive ignorance. It's a everyday event. Nothing positive doom and gloom.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Is it possible that some things are complicated and not "basic"?

You did not need to answer that question as you did.

A yes/no answer was all that was required or expected. I was not trying to intimidate anyone. I don't need to. It serves no purpose.

If you are keen on basic communication, we should start there, so that we all know what we're talking about. Parables really how many people understand your attempts at justification to my argument.FFS keep it simple . Not everyone here has the same wannabe intellect as you don't you think ? Go whine into a thesaurus.it will suit your needs I prefer simplicity . "

You have written one reasonably open post. Long and complicated, but implying that you are willing to talk.

Then three post expressing your anger and annoyance together with some insults.

Do you just want to say that you don't like me because I think that I'm clever? Is it that you don't like me because I'm trying to make you look or feel stupid?

Is it something else that I still haven't understood?

I think that I do now get that you do not think that anuthing is complicated and everything can be simplified. Is that correct?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it possible that some things are complicated and not "basic"?

You did not need to answer that question as you did.

A yes/no answer was all that was required or expected. I was not trying to intimidate anyone. I don't need to. It serves no purpose.

If you are keen on basic communication, we should start there, so that we all know what we're talking about. Parables really how many people understand your attempts at justification to my argument.FFS keep it simple . Not everyone here has the same wannabe intellect as you don't you think ? Go whine into a thesaurus.it will suit your needs I prefer simplicity .

You have written one reasonably open post. Long and complicated, but implying that you are willing to talk.

Then three post expressing your anger and annoyance together with some insults.

Do you just want to say that you don't like me because I think that I'm clever? Is it that you don't like me because I'm trying to make you look or feel stupid?

Is it something else that I still haven't understood?

I think that I do now get that you do not think that anuthing is complicated and everything can be simplified. Is that correct?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

simplicity is a value. Your rehtoic

Is it possible that some things are complicated and not "basic"?

You did not need to answer that question as you did.

A yes/no answer was all that was required or expected. I was not trying to intimidate anyone. I don't need to. It serves no purpose.

If you are keen on basic communication, we should start there, so that we all know what we're talking about. Parables really how many people understand your attempts at justification to my argument.FFS keep it simple . Not everyone here has the same wannabe intellect as you don't you think ? Go whine into a thesaurus.it will suit your needs I prefer simplicity .

You have written one reasonably open post. Long and complicated, but implying that you are willing to talk.

Then three post expressing your anger and annoyance together with some insults.

Do you just want to say that you don't like me because I think that I'm clever? Is it that you don't like me because I'm trying to make you look or feel stupid?

Is it something else that I still haven't understood?

I think that I do now get that you do not think that anuthing is complicated and everything can be simplified. Is that correct?"
Simplicity is a value. Is it not ? You want to people to to understand your standpoints but the gloss over your bullshit because they can't be bothered with your intellectual ignorance. You do it constantly expecting results.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

simplicity is a value. Your rehtoic

Is it possible that some things are complicated and not "basic"?

You did not need to answer that question as you did.

A yes/no answer was all that was required or expected. I was not trying to intimidate anyone. I don't need to. It serves no purpose.

If you are keen on basic communication, we should start there, so that we all know what we're talking about. Parables really how many people understand your attempts at justification to my argument.FFS keep it simple . Not everyone here has the same wannabe intellect as you don't you think ? Go whine into a thesaurus.it will suit your needs I prefer simplicity .

You have written one reasonably open post. Long and complicated, but implying that you are willing to talk.

Then three post expressing your anger and annoyance together with some insults.

Do you just want to say that you don't like me because I think that I'm clever? Is it that you don't like me because I'm trying to make you look or feel stupid?

Is it something else that I still haven't understood?

I think that I do now get that you do not think that anuthing is complicated and everything can be simplified. Is that correct? Simplicity is a value. Is it not ? You want to people to to understand your standpoints but the gloss over your bullshit because they can't be bothered with your intellectual ignorance. You do it constantly expecting results."
I'll choose a basic Idgaf persony over your intellectual ignorance every single day.. yet you fail to grasp that concept. Just say it's all all about your self gratification. It's clearly obvious what you here for . You have no other social aspect but your own political gain.The green arrow next to your avatar is a clear indicator.Hence my perspective. Understanding people is a priority for me . You choose and others public disdain. Yet I am evil.

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over a year ago

Get off your high horses interact with others on here there are some fantastic people. Politics are not a life source of existence.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

For me, it's left leaning.

Of course, there are people on the right who post, but I'm judging the balance on threads created and by whom.

One poster said maybe it's a few 'noisy' ones, and that's probably true, but I'd say very threads are started by 'the right'.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Is the forum weighted to the left, the right ..."

It seems to me that the forum is weighted to the left. There are a few people that say they are just against the current government but, watching through the recent changes, it seems to me that those people just transfer their ire onto whoever is in position. I think they just find reasons to hate whichever Tory is currently in the news.

"...or is it a balanced forum where opinions and ideas are listened too and respected equally amongst the contributors?"

Now you're just being silly.

"Are political news stories avoided or jumped upon to gain points?"

Both. It was disappointing to see someone start a thread about the recent earthquakes just to take a swing at 'leftie liberals'. On the other hand, I'm greatly surprised at how little attention is being given to the Jared O'Mara story. I'm fairly sure that if he had been a Tory MP there would have been much more fuss made about it.

For me there are 2 things that make this forum a difficult place for reasoned discussion. The first is people with fixed opinions who only post to throw insults at the other side. The second is people that twist and exaggerate the facts in order to present their opinion in the best light. It's difficult to have a sensible debate if we can't work out where the starting point is.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"It seems to me that the forum is weighted to the left. There are a few people that say they are just against the current government but, watching through the recent changes, it seems to me that those people just transfer their ire onto whoever is in position. I think they just find reasons to hate whichever Tory is currently in the news."

There are obviously some that are simply abti-Tory. That is their prerogative and they may have valid personal reasons as well as macro reasons.

But to imply any kind of change in Government is a bit of a stretch. There is a clear line of sight from Johnson to Truss to Sunak. It has really just been a case of moving the deckchairs. All three (or however many if you also count Cabinet reshuffles) executives have been populated by astoundingly inept and corrupt individuals. More so than I can ever recall. Following the quiet coup (sorry I mean peaceful take over) of the Conservatives by the ERG and the influence from Tufton St, they ceased, in my opinion, to be the Conservative Party.

To get back to their routes they need wholesale change.

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"Is the forum weighted to the left, the right or is it a balanced forum where opinions and ideas are listened too and respected equally amongst the contributors?

Are political news stories avoided or jumped upon to gain points?

I look forward to reading your thoughts

If the Politics Forum was a colour it would be red.

Winston

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Is the forum weighted to the left, the right ...

...or is it a balanced forum where opinions and ideas are listened too and respected equally amongst the contributors?

Now you're just being silly.

Are political news stories avoided or jumped upon to gain points?

So start a thread on Jared O'Mara, the MP who was suspended from his party and then quit it.

There is currently yet another thread on Jeremy Corbyn being antisemitic.

"Twisting my words" is a commonly used phrase on here. Claiming to be a victim is no more helpful for sensible debate. It is often made by those who make their views most forcibly too.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Is the forum weighted to the left, the right or is it a balanced forum where opinions and ideas are listened too and respected equally amongst the contributors?

Are political news stories avoided or jumped upon to gain points?

I look forward to reading your thoughts

If the Politics Forum was a colour it would be red.

Winston "

In tooth and claw?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

simplicity is a value. Your rehtoic

Is it possible that some things are complicated and not "basic"?

You did not need to answer that question as you did.

A yes/no answer was all that was required or expected. I was not trying to intimidate anyone. I don't need to. It serves no purpose.

If you are keen on basic communication, we should start there, so that we all know what we're talking about. Parables really how many people understand your attempts at justification to my argument.FFS keep it simple . Not everyone here has the same wannabe intellect as you don't you think ? Go whine into a thesaurus.it will suit your needs I prefer simplicity .

You have written one reasonably open post. Long and complicated, but implying that you are willing to talk.

Then three post expressing your anger and annoyance together with some insults.

Do you just want to say that you don't like me because I think that I'm clever? Is it that you don't like me because I'm trying to make you look or feel stupid?

Is it something else that I still haven't understood?

I think that I do now get that you do not think that anuthing is complicated and everything can be simplified. Is that correct? Simplicity is a value. Is it not ? You want to people to to understand your standpoints but the gloss over your bullshit because they can't be bothered with your intellectual ignorance. You do it constantly expecting results. I'll choose a basic Idgaf persony over your intellectual ignorance every single day.. yet you fail to grasp that concept. Just say it's all all about your self gratification. It's clearly obvious what you here for . You have no other social aspect but your own political gain.The green arrow next to your avatar is a clear indicator.Hence my perspective. Understanding people is a priority for me . You choose and others public disdain. Yet I am evil."

Four posts demanding clarity and I still do not know your intention other than, perhaps, to be rude about me.

What do I write that actually is complicated?

How are you trying to "understand" me by calling me "intellectually ignorant"?

I don't know what a "green arrow" means. Can you enlighten me?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is the forum weighted to the left, the right or is it a balanced forum where opinions and ideas are listened too and respected equally amongst the contributors?

Are political news stories avoided or jumped upon to gain points?

I look forward to reading your thoughts

I think it is balanced, it used to be weighted to the right but a lot of the the more right wing and Brexit hardliners have disappeared (for various reasons) which is a shame

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Is the forum weighted to the left, the right or is it a balanced forum where opinions and ideas are listened too and respected equally amongst the contributors?

Are political news stories avoided or jumped upon to gain points?

I look forward to reading your thoughts

Not sure it can be weighted either way given its an open forum. Surely it just depends on who participates on any given thread. Maybe some ignore certain stories that don't fit their perspective but that does not prevent others highlighting the story or starting a thread. The slightly disappointing thing is when someone starts a thread and others dismiss the subject instead of engaging. Or if they really think it should not be discussed they could simply not post on that thread. Mostly from what I have seen, it tends to be news about immigration, news that shows the EU in a bad light and of course brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The answer probably depends on where one is on the scale and where one thinks they are.

If you are on the more extreme end of right (not "far right") but think you are moderate right, you will likely see the forum as leftie.

The way Truss sees the IMF as being left.

Im the mode is left, the medium is left, but the mean is probably right. Eg more left posters but the right posters are more extreme in their views.

But that may be because I'm a commie... I don't think I am, but I can't rule it out !!

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"So start a thread on Jared O'Mara, the MP who was suspended from his party and then quit it."

I'm not that interested in the story. I brought it up because the OP said "Are political news stories avoided or jumped upon to gain points?". It seems clear to me that if he had been a Tory MP, there would have been a lot of condemnation here. I mentioned it as an example of a story that is being avoided.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"So start a thread on Jared O'Mara, the MP who was suspended from his party and then quit it.

Isn't that in large part because the opposition actually has no power?

The party of Government does and has a direct effect on our current circumstances.

How do you define "avoided" as opposed "of little interest"?

Anybody from any political persuasion could have posted on it but chose not to.

Do those of any "side" tend to post negative articles on their position? Why do you choose to post on some topics and not others?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Political Forum is like NASCAR. Always turns left.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"So start a thread on Jared O'Mara, the MP who was suspended from his party and then quit it.

Maybe so, as mentioned someone not in government, is generally of less interest than someone in government, with reference to this kind of stuff.

Although there are less threads about it. There is a portion of posters who pretty much only say 'what about Labour' in response to every thread.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"So start a thread on Jared O'Mara, the MP who was suspended from his party and then quit it.

Maybe so, as mentioned someone not in government, is generally of less interest than someone in government, with reference to this kind of stuff.

Although there are less threads about it. There is a portion of posters who pretty much only say 'what about Labour' in response to every thread."

I'd say if they're trying to get in government, then they should be of quite a bit of interest.

What's the point in getting rid of the ones we have to replace them with the same, or worse?

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The Political Forum is like NASCAR. Always turns left.

As deduced by Einstein; left and right is relative. If you turn hard right a lesser right turner will appear to be turning left.

So if you are a staunch right turner everyone will appear to be turning Left: even though they are not.

Q.E.D.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"So start a thread on Jared O'Mara, the MP who was suspended from his party and then quit it.

Maybe so, as mentioned someone not in government, is generally of less interest than someone in government, with reference to this kind of stuff.

Although there are less threads about it. There is a portion of posters who pretty much only say 'what about Labour' in response to every thread.

I'd say if they're trying to get in government, then they should be of quite a bit of interest.

What's the point in getting rid of the ones we have to replace them with the same, or worse?"

Nobody is "not discussing" the other parties.

Continually bringing up what happened five or more years ago with different party leaders tells us almost nothing about the concerns you are raising.

What do you, or anyone else, wish to discuss about the current opposition? Post the threads.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"So start a thread on Jared O'Mara, the MP who was suspended from his party and then quit it.

Maybe so, as mentioned someone not in government, is generally of less interest than someone in government, with reference to this kind of stuff.

Although there are less threads about it. There is a portion of posters who pretty much only say 'what about Labour' in response to every thread.

I'd say if they're trying to get in government, then they should be of quite a bit of interest.

What's the point in getting rid of the ones we have to replace them with the same, or worse?

Nobody is "not discussing" the other parties.

Continually bringing up what happened five or more years ago with different party leaders tells us almost nothing about the concerns you are raising.

What do you, or anyone else, wish to discuss about the current opposition? Post the threads."

I didn't raise any concerns

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"So start a thread on Jared O'Mara, the MP who was suspended from his party and then quit it.

Maybe so, as mentioned someone not in government, is generally of less interest than someone in government, with reference to this kind of stuff.

Although there are less threads about it. There is a portion of posters who pretty much only say 'what about Labour' in response to every thread.

I'd say if they're trying to get in government, then they should be of quite a bit of interest.

What's the point in getting rid of the ones we have to replace them with the same, or worse?"

I'm against sleazy corrupt behaviour in any political party. Just so happens most of is is happening in the part who is in government.

If Labour get in, I should imagine they would be under the microscope more. And rightly so.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"So start a thread on Jared O'Mara, the MP who was suspended from his party and then quit it.

Maybe so, as mentioned someone not in government, is generally of less interest than someone in government, with reference to this kind of stuff.

Although there are less threads about it. There is a portion of posters who pretty much only say 'what about Labour' in response to every thread.

I'd say if they're trying to get in government, then they should be of quite a bit of interest.

What's the point in getting rid of the ones we have to replace them with the same, or worse?

I'm against sleazy corrupt behaviour in any political party. Just so happens most of is is happening in the part who is in government.

If Labour get in, I should imagine they would be under the microscope more. And rightly so."

If they get in which they will. Let's be honest though, actually, government or not, they are all members of Parliament, so they should all be under the same scrutiny.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"So start a thread on Jared O'Mara, the MP who was suspended from his party and then quit it.

Maybe so, as mentioned someone not in government, is generally of less interest than someone in government, with reference to this kind of stuff.

Although there are less threads about it. There is a portion of posters who pretty much only say 'what about Labour' in response to every thread.

I'd say if they're trying to get in government, then they should be of quite a bit of interest.

What's the point in getting rid of the ones we have to replace them with the same, or worse?

I'm against sleazy corrupt behaviour in any political party. Just so happens most of is is happening in the part who is in government.

If Labour get in, I should imagine they would be under the microscope more. And rightly so.

If they get in which they will. Let's be honest though, actually, government or not, they are all members of Parliament, so they should all be under the same scrutiny."

I can't see the Tories getting voted out in the next election.

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By *queakyclean69erCouple
over a year ago

Torquay / Fleet

"For me, it's left leaning.

Of course, there are people on the right who post, but I'm judging the balance on threads created and by whom.

One poster said maybe it's a few 'noisy' ones, and that's probably true, but I'd say very threads are started by 'the right'."

Completely agree most of the threads are started by as someone called them the half dozen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So start a thread on Jared O'Mara, the MP who was suspended from his party and then quit it.

Maybe so, as mentioned someone not in government, is generally of less interest than someone in government, with reference to this kind of stuff.

Although there are less threads about it. There is a portion of posters who pretty much only say 'what about Labour' in response to every thread.

I'd say if they're trying to get in government, then they should be of quite a bit of interest.

What's the point in getting rid of the ones we have to replace them with the same, or worse?

I'm against sleazy corrupt behaviour in any political party. Just so happens most of is is happening in the part who is in government.

If Labour get in, I should imagine they would be under the microscope more. And rightly so.

If they get in which they will. Let's be honest though, actually, government or not, they are all members of Parliament, so they should all be under the same scrutiny."
I agree. And o don't know of they are (there is just less scandal) or of they are let off. Tbh, I still recall the scandal of drinking on the train... So I suspect there are some who aren't afraid to go digging for any scandal...

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"So start a thread on Jared O'Mara, the MP who was suspended from his party and then quit it.

Maybe so, as mentioned someone not in government, is generally of less interest than someone in government, with reference to this kind of stuff.

Although there are less threads about it. There is a portion of posters who pretty much only say 'what about Labour' in response to every thread.

I'd say if they're trying to get in government, then they should be of quite a bit of interest.

What's the point in getting rid of the ones we have to replace them with the same, or worse?

I'm against sleazy corrupt behaviour in any political party. Just so happens most of is is happening in the part who is in government.

If Labour get in, I should imagine they would be under the microscope more. And rightly so.

If they get in which they will. Let's be honest though, actually, government or not, they are all members of Parliament, so they should all be under the same scrutiny.I agree. And o don't know of they are (there is just less scandal) or of they are let off. Tbh, I still recall the scandal of drinking on the train... So I suspect there are some who aren't afraid to go digging for any scandal... "

I would assume they are by the Parliamentary Standards Committee. There's plenty on here, though, who say,'they're only opposition so no one is interested'

That's bull, we should all be interested in all MPs and any sort of scandal