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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. "They may not want the amic or cia getting their hands on it's military tech I am sure once the americans send the same amount if abrams the leopards will be delivered. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace.
They may not want the amic or cia getting their hands on it's military tech I am sure once the americans send the same amount if abrams the leopards will be delivered."Lets hope so Buddy  | |||
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"Last time German tanks went into Ukraine it ended up with Russian tanks in Berlin if I remember correctly." Impressive memory. You must be older than your profile suggests  | |||
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"In war, the winner is the one that packs the hardest punch in the least amount of time. Ukraine needs the weapons to be able to do that. Russia sowed the wind, they should reap the whirlwind. Criticism of Germany is right but what we've sent won't make a material difference. What we could (some say should) do is organise for a larger quantity of the Challenger 1s that Jordan has recently retired. They would be just as effective as the German Leopards and would all come from a single source, as opposed to anywhere in Europe wanting an upgrade on theirs. Not that it's an excuse for Germany to abdicate responsibility. " Abrams not the answer. It's a gas turbine tank. Logistically quicker to send leopards and challengers. The already in theater. | |||
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"Apparently, Poland is tired of Germany's dithering and is on the cusp of sending their Leopards to Ukraine. Demonstrations in Germany in favour of releasing their Leopards, are also encouraging. An Abrams uses double the fuel and adds yet another variation, so if USA is to send more armour, additional 155mm armoured self-propelled howitzers would be better, providing heavy firepower to back up the advancing Leopards and Challengers. If the West can muster 500 units for Ukraine's spring offensive, that would make a huge difference. But with training and delivery times to consider, they'll have to pull the finger out. " we sending strikers and Bradley's. They are easier to transport quickly. | |||
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"Apparently, Poland is tired of Germany's dithering and is on the cusp of sending their Leopards to Ukraine. Demonstrations in Germany in favour of releasing their Leopards, are also encouraging. An Abrams uses double the fuel and adds yet another variation, so if USA is to send more armour, additional 155mm armoured self-propelled howitzers would be better, providing heavy firepower to back up the advancing Leopards and Challengers. If the West can muster 500 units for Ukraine's spring offensive, that would make a huge difference. But with training and delivery times to consider, they'll have to pull the finger out. we sending strikers and Bradley's. They are easier to transport quickly. " C- 17 globalmaster can carry only one Abraham. It's logistically inept be to take 2 strikers or 2 Bradley's over one Abrams. | |||
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"On a side note, our Challenger 2's will be getting deployed in Kiev. This is to keep them away from the frontline and also act as a deterrent against a second push for Kiev from Belarus. They were mainly sent to give Germany political wiggle room to justify allowing the Leopard to be sent." good they readily available compared to sending Abraham. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. "why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshow | |||
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"Putin has already stated he does not recognise the legitiimacy of some NATO states. The equipment we are sending will help kill some would-be combatants and destroying equipment which could have been deployed in a war against NATO states. We are doing what we can to protect Ukraine, but also in weakening the Russian war machine. Economic sanctions and welcoming Ukrainian refugees are right, we should do both, but they won't win Ukraine the war. " | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshow"because if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshow"Completely agree! The Ukraine aren’t even part of Nato but want all the benefits of being a member. We should send them nothing and as my friend above has said whatever money we are spending in the Ukraine we should spend on Uk citizens | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
"Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant? He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?). Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries. Not our business. And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account. And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin. | |||
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"this is the wrong platform for this type pf conversation as it invites idiocy and poorly informed dickheads ..." To whom are you referring old bean? | |||
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"this is the wrong platform for this type pf conversation as it invites idiocy and poorly informed dickheads ..." Lol | |||
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"this is the wrong platform for this type pf conversation as it invites idiocy and poorly informed dickheads ..." Pot / Kettle springs to mind.... | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin."Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action. "How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime. During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
"Yet you needed our assistance on the lend lease program from WW2 to survive the onslaught. But that was ok in your eyes. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Yet you needed our assistance on the lend lease program from WW2 to survive the onslaught. But that was ok in your eyes."no difference | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
"None of the major parties assisted the Nazi regime. Comparing the pro-Putin opposition with the anti-nazi Labour Party is a fallacy. Those who did assist, or wanted to, were arrested, including a Scottish Unionist MP. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
"Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money? | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
"The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany. For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more. That's where the debt came from. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from."and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money. "Tada let me pull a rabbit out of my hat... Now what ? | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money. "Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war. Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled. Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet. "your perception is instant imaginable self gratification. My wallet hurts give me my money. Not the repercussions of doing nothing. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet. "If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt. You must be a Biden acolyte!? | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet.
If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt.
You must be a Biden acolyte!?
"I surely can contest I lean republican. Alot of people on here can contest to that. They can agree with your " Misconception". Your attempts are in vain.. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet.
If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt.
You must be a Biden acolyte!?
I surely can contest I lean republican. Alot of people on here can contest to that. They can agree with your " Misconception". Your attempts are in vain.."We'll agree to differ, but do stop seeing Zelenskyy as a hero. He's a nasty little dictator, every bit as bad as Putin, but minus the nukes. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet.
If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt.
You must be a Biden acolyte!?
I surely can contest I lean republican. Alot of people on here can contest to that. They can agree with your " Misconception". Your attempts are in vain.."female carries a gun everyday believe in family and country. Does that sound familiar? Ukraine has a right to exist. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet.
If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt.
You must be a Biden acolyte!?
I surely can contest I lean republican. Alot of people on here can contest to that. They can agree with your " Misconception". Your attempts are in vain..
We'll agree to differ, but do stop seeing Zelenskyy as a hero. He's a nasty little dictator, every bit as bad as Putin, but minus the nukes."then who is next Poland? Germany? You can literally go read Putin's ambitions it's like mien kampf all over again. It's literally on the Kremlin website. Guess you ok with that. Guess what zelenski not mentioned at all. Strange. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet.
If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt.
You must be a Biden acolyte!?
I surely can contest I lean republican. Alot of people on here can contest to that. They can agree with your " Misconception". Your attempts are in vain..
We'll agree to differ, but do stop seeing Zelenskyy as a hero. He's a nasty little dictator, every bit as bad as Putin, but minus the nukes. then who is next Poland? Germany? You can literally go read Putin's ambitions it's like mien kampf all over again. It's literally on the Kremlin website. Guess you ok with that. Guess what zelenski not mentioned at all. Strange. "Do you really think Putin would risk war with NATO? Ffs his troops couldn't even take Ukraine quickly. Against American or British battle divisions he wouldn't stand a hope. He's attempting to recreate an old style Soviet structure, which he has bever gotten over since 1990. He might be an old school Soviet but isn't dumb enough engage NATO. Get real. As for Mein Kampf, have you read it? Yeah he will post it on a website so all can read it. Is he going to use nuclear warheads? Because that's the only hope he has against NATO. He's a menace but not that dense. Ffs think. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet.
If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt.
You must be a Biden acolyte!?
I surely can contest I lean republican. Alot of people on here can contest to that. They can agree with your " Misconception". Your attempts are in vain..
We'll agree to differ, but do stop seeing Zelenskyy as a hero. He's a nasty little dictator, every bit as bad as Putin, but minus the nukes. then who is next Poland? Germany? You can literally go read Putin's ambitions it's like mien kampf all over again. It's literally on the Kremlin website. Guess you ok with that. Guess what zelenski not mentioned at all. Strange.
Do you really think Putin would risk war with NATO? Ffs his troops couldn't even take Ukraine quickly. Against American or British battle divisions he wouldn't stand a hope. He's attempting to recreate an old style Soviet structure, which he has bever gotten over since 1990.
He might be an old school Soviet but isn't dumb enough engage NATO. Get real.
As for Mein Kampf, have you read it?
Yeah he will post it on a website so all can read it.
Is he going to use nuclear warheads? Because that's the only hope he has against NATO.
He's a menace but not that dense.
Ffs think."but you screamed foul. Because it hurts your wallet. Scroll up to your statement. Ukraine is fighting for their values they choose not having Putin as a dictator but you perfectly acceptable accepting that just because it's a inconvenience for you to get a new I phone or whatever . | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet.
If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt.
You must be a Biden acolyte!?
I surely can contest I lean republican. Alot of people on here can contest to that. They can agree with your " Misconception". Your attempts are in vain..
We'll agree to differ, but do stop seeing Zelenskyy as a hero. He's a nasty little dictator, every bit as bad as Putin, but minus the nukes. then who is next Poland? Germany? You can literally go read Putin's ambitions it's like mien kampf all over again. It's literally on the Kremlin website. Guess you ok with that. Guess what zelenski not mentioned at all. Strange.
Do you really think Putin would risk war with NATO? Ffs his troops couldn't even take Ukraine quickly. Against American or British battle divisions he wouldn't stand a hope. He's attempting to recreate an old style Soviet structure, which he has bever gotten over since 1990.
He might be an old school Soviet but isn't dumb enough engage NATO. Get real.
As for Mein Kampf, have you read it?
Yeah he will post it on a website so all can read it.
Is he going to use nuclear warheads? Because that's the only hope he has against NATO.
He's a menace but not that dense.
Ffs think. but you screamed foul. Because it hurts your wallet. Scroll up to your statement. Ukraine is fighting for their values they choose not having Putin as a dictator but you perfectly acceptable accepting that just because it's a inconvenience for you to get a new I phone or whatever ."What is your end goal here? If you think Putin will lose you're deluded. Tell me your end goal. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet.
If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt.
You must be a Biden acolyte!?
I surely can contest I lean republican. Alot of people on here can contest to that. They can agree with your " Misconception". Your attempts are in vain..
We'll agree to differ, but do stop seeing Zelenskyy as a hero. He's a nasty little dictator, every bit as bad as Putin, but minus the nukes. then who is next Poland? Germany? You can literally go read Putin's ambitions it's like mien kampf all over again. It's literally on the Kremlin website. Guess you ok with that. Guess what zelenski not mentioned at all. Strange.
Do you really think Putin would risk war with NATO? Ffs his troops couldn't even take Ukraine quickly. Against American or British battle divisions he wouldn't stand a hope. He's attempting to recreate an old style Soviet structure, which he has bever gotten over since 1990.
He might be an old school Soviet but isn't dumb enough engage NATO. Get real.
As for Mein Kampf, have you read it?
Yeah he will post it on a website so all can read it.
Is he going to use nuclear warheads? Because that's the only hope he has against NATO.
He's a menace but not that dense.
Ffs think. but you screamed foul. Because it hurts your wallet. Scroll up to your statement. Ukraine is fighting for their values they choose not having Putin as a dictator but you perfectly acceptable accepting that just because it's a inconvenience for you to get a new I phone or whatever .
What is your end goal here?
If you think Putin will lose you're deluded.
Tell me your end goal."is Putin winning? It's called attrition you sink a economy destroy a military over time so that they can't be a threat. Is Ukraine doing that ? It was supposed to be over already. Ukraine defended deep for a reason. Yes I'm a woman but I not that stupid to realize the goals. Russia relying on mass casualty tactics. Send hordes. Is it working on large scale? It is not. The more firepower the "west" brings to the theater the better. There was a reason these systems were built to foil Russian aggression. Let's take Himars for instance it was built 20 years ago. It's the most capable system on the battlefield. Yet you want to deny . | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet.
If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt.
You must be a Biden acolyte!?
I surely can contest I lean republican. Alot of people on here can contest to that. They can agree with your " Misconception". Your attempts are in vain..
We'll agree to differ, but do stop seeing Zelenskyy as a hero. He's a nasty little dictator, every bit as bad as Putin, but minus the nukes. then who is next Poland? Germany? You can literally go read Putin's ambitions it's like mien kampf all over again. It's literally on the Kremlin website. Guess you ok with that. Guess what zelenski not mentioned at all. Strange.
Do you really think Putin would risk war with NATO? Ffs his troops couldn't even take Ukraine quickly. Against American or British battle divisions he wouldn't stand a hope. He's attempting to recreate an old style Soviet structure, which he has bever gotten over since 1990.
He might be an old school Soviet but isn't dumb enough engage NATO. Get real.
As for Mein Kampf, have you read it?
Yeah he will post it on a website so all can read it.
Is he going to use nuclear warheads? Because that's the only hope he has against NATO.
He's a menace but not that dense.
Ffs think. but you screamed foul. Because it hurts your wallet. Scroll up to your statement. Ukraine is fighting for their values they choose not having Putin as a dictator but you perfectly acceptable accepting that just because it's a inconvenience for you to get a new I phone or whatever .
What is your end goal here?
If you think Putin will lose you're deluded.
Tell me your end goal. is Putin winning? It's called attrition you sink a economy destroy a military over time so that they can't be a threat. Is Ukraine doing that ? It was supposed to be over already. Ukraine defended deep for a reason. Yes I'm a woman but I not that stupid to realize the goals. Russia relying on mass casualty tactics. Send hordes. Is it working on large scale? It is not. The more firepower the "west" brings to the theater the better. There was a reason these systems were built to foil Russian aggression. Let's take Himars for instance it was built 20 years ago. It's the most capable system on the battlefield. Yet you want to deny ."Attrition? But not with your life. How will you measure victory? | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet.
If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt.
You must be a Biden acolyte!?
I surely can contest I lean republican. Alot of people on here can contest to that. They can agree with your " Misconception". Your attempts are in vain..
We'll agree to differ, but do stop seeing Zelenskyy as a hero. He's a nasty little dictator, every bit as bad as Putin, but minus the nukes. then who is next Poland? Germany? You can literally go read Putin's ambitions it's like mien kampf all over again. It's literally on the Kremlin website. Guess you ok with that. Guess what zelenski not mentioned at all. Strange.
Do you really think Putin would risk war with NATO? Ffs his troops couldn't even take Ukraine quickly. Against American or British battle divisions he wouldn't stand a hope. He's attempting to recreate an old style Soviet structure, which he has bever gotten over since 1990.
He might be an old school Soviet but isn't dumb enough engage NATO. Get real.
As for Mein Kampf, have you read it?
Yeah he will post it on a website so all can read it.
Is he going to use nuclear warheads? Because that's the only hope he has against NATO.
He's a menace but not that dense.
Ffs think. but you screamed foul. Because it hurts your wallet. Scroll up to your statement. Ukraine is fighting for their values they choose not having Putin as a dictator but you perfectly acceptable accepting that just because it's a inconvenience for you to get a new I phone or whatever .
What is your end goal here?
If you think Putin will lose you're deluded.
Tell me your end goal. is Putin winning? It's called attrition you sink a economy destroy a military over time so that they can't be a threat. Is Ukraine doing that ? It was supposed to be over already. Ukraine defended deep for a reason. Yes I'm a woman but I not that stupid to realize the goals. Russia relying on mass casualty tactics. Send hordes. Is it working on large scale? It is not. The more firepower the "west" brings to the theater the better. There was a reason these systems were built to foil Russian aggression. Let's take Himars for instance it was built 20 years ago. It's the most capable system on the battlefield. Yet you want to deny .
Attrition? But not with your life.
How will you measure victory?"lol I served ,in Iraq and Afghanistan. I understand. Just like others. We hold the line. You complain about what benefits you .Did your statement not reflect that or am I wrong ? You said give me my money. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet.
If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt.
You must be a Biden acolyte!?
I surely can contest I lean republican. Alot of people on here can contest to that. They can agree with your " Misconception". Your attempts are in vain..
We'll agree to differ, but do stop seeing Zelenskyy as a hero. He's a nasty little dictator, every bit as bad as Putin, but minus the nukes. then who is next Poland? Germany? You can literally go read Putin's ambitions it's like mien kampf all over again. It's literally on the Kremlin website. Guess you ok with that. Guess what zelenski not mentioned at all. Strange.
Do you really think Putin would risk war with NATO? Ffs his troops couldn't even take Ukraine quickly. Against American or British battle divisions he wouldn't stand a hope. He's attempting to recreate an old style Soviet structure, which he has bever gotten over since 1990.
He might be an old school Soviet but isn't dumb enough engage NATO. Get real.
As for Mein Kampf, have you read it?
Yeah he will post it on a website so all can read it.
Is he going to use nuclear warheads? Because that's the only hope he has against NATO.
He's a menace but not that dense.
Ffs think. but you screamed foul. Because it hurts your wallet. Scroll up to your statement. Ukraine is fighting for their values they choose not having Putin as a dictator but you perfectly acceptable accepting that just because it's a inconvenience for you to get a new I phone or whatever .
What is your end goal here?
If you think Putin will lose you're deluded.
Tell me your end goal. is Putin winning? It's called attrition you sink a economy destroy a military over time so that they can't be a threat. Is Ukraine doing that ? It was supposed to be over already. Ukraine defended deep for a reason. Yes I'm a woman but I not that stupid to realize the goals. Russia relying on mass casualty tactics. Send hordes. Is it working on large scale? It is not. The more firepower the "west" brings to the theater the better. There was a reason these systems were built to foil Russian aggression. Let's take Himars for instance it was built 20 years ago. It's the most capable system on the battlefield. Yet you want to deny .
Attrition? But not with your life.
How will you measure victory? lol I served ,in Iraq and Afghanistan. I understand. Just like others. We hold the line. You complain about what benefits you .Did your statement not reflect that or am I wrong ? You said give me my money."selfishness don't ya think? Or are you proud of your assumption. | |||
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Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet.
If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt.
You must be a Biden acolyte!?
I surely can contest I lean republican. Alot of people on here can contest to that. They can agree with your " Misconception". Your attempts are in vain..
We'll agree to differ, but do stop seeing Zelenskyy as a hero. He's a nasty little dictator, every bit as bad as Putin, but minus the nukes. then who is next Poland? Germany? You can literally go read Putin's ambitions it's like mien kampf all over again. It's literally on the Kremlin website. Guess you ok with that. Guess what zelenski not mentioned at all. Strange.
Do you really think Putin would risk war with NATO? Ffs his troops couldn't even take Ukraine quickly. Against American or British battle divisions he wouldn't stand a hope. He's attempting to recreate an old style Soviet structure, which he has bever gotten over since 1990.
He might be an old school Soviet but isn't dumb enough engage NATO. Get real.
As for Mein Kampf, have you read it?
Yeah he will post it on a website so all can read it.
Is he going to use nuclear warheads? Because that's the only hope he has against NATO.
He's a menace but not that dense.
Ffs think. but you screamed foul. Because it hurts your wallet. Scroll up to your statement. Ukraine is fighting for their values they choose not having Putin as a dictator but you perfectly acceptable accepting that just because it's a inconvenience for you to get a new I phone or whatever .
What is your end goal here?
If you think Putin will lose you're deluded.
Tell me your end goal. is Putin winning? It's called attrition you sink a economy destroy a military over time so that they can't be a threat. Is Ukraine doing that ? It was supposed to be over already. Ukraine defended deep for a reason. Yes I'm a woman but I not that stupid to realize the goals. Russia relying on mass casualty tactics. Send hordes. Is it working on large scale? It is not. The more firepower the "west" brings to the theater the better. There was a reason these systems were built to foil Russian aggression. Let's take Himars for instance it was built 20 years ago. It's the most capable system on the battlefield. Yet you want to deny .
Attrition? But not with your life.
How will you measure victory? lol I served ,in Iraq and Afghanistan. I understand. Just like others. We hold the line. You complain about what benefits you .Did your statement not reflect that or am I wrong ? You said give me my money. selfishness don't ya think? Or are you proud of your assumption."What line? You left. The Afghan line where you hid in a compound when British troops went our to rescue people. Your C.O asked us to stop cause it made you look bad. We said fuk off, we are going out. Hold the line? Gimme a break. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet.
If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt.
You must be a Biden acolyte!?
I surely can contest I lean republican. Alot of people on here can contest to that. They can agree with your " Misconception". Your attempts are in vain..
We'll agree to differ, but do stop seeing Zelenskyy as a hero. He's a nasty little dictator, every bit as bad as Putin, but minus the nukes. then who is next Poland? Germany? You can literally go read Putin's ambitions it's like mien kampf all over again. It's literally on the Kremlin website. Guess you ok with that. Guess what zelenski not mentioned at all. Strange.
Do you really think Putin would risk war with NATO? Ffs his troops couldn't even take Ukraine quickly. Against American or British battle divisions he wouldn't stand a hope. He's attempting to recreate an old style Soviet structure, which he has bever gotten over since 1990.
He might be an old school Soviet but isn't dumb enough engage NATO. Get real.
As for Mein Kampf, have you read it?
Yeah he will post it on a website so all can read it.
Is he going to use nuclear warheads? Because that's the only hope he has against NATO.
He's a menace but not that dense.
Ffs think. but you screamed foul. Because it hurts your wallet. Scroll up to your statement. Ukraine is fighting for their values they choose not having Putin as a dictator but you perfectly acceptable accepting that just because it's a inconvenience for you to get a new I phone or whatever .
What is your end goal here?
If you think Putin will lose you're deluded.
Tell me your end goal. is Putin winning? It's called attrition you sink a economy destroy a military over time so that they can't be a threat. Is Ukraine doing that ? It was supposed to be over already. Ukraine defended deep for a reason. Yes I'm a woman but I not that stupid to realize the goals. Russia relying on mass casualty tactics. Send hordes. Is it working on large scale? It is not. The more firepower the "west" brings to the theater the better. There was a reason these systems were built to foil Russian aggression. Let's take Himars for instance it was built 20 years ago. It's the most capable system on the battlefield. Yet you want to deny .
Attrition? But not with your life.
How will you measure victory? lol I served ,in Iraq and Afghanistan. I understand. Just like others. We hold the line. You complain about what benefits you .Did your statement not reflect that or am I wrong ? You said give me my money. selfishness don't ya think? Or are you proud of your assumption.
What line? You left.
The Afghan line where you hid in a compound when British troops went our to rescue people. Your C.O asked us to stop cause it made you look bad. We said fuk off, we are going out. Hold the line?
Gimme a break.
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. why a disgrace, most germans want them to stop sending them weapons is a small minority of germans protesting they should be sending them, personaly think we should stop throwing money at them and spend it here instead why the fuck should everyone else get involved in there shitshowbecause if we dont it will eventualy become our shitshow to deal with and by then it will be a lot more costly in lives and money than it is doing now apeas atyrant and abully and they will take more and more stand up to them and they will stop and think
Do you think Zelenskyy isn't a tyrant?
He's shut down all non state controlled media,outlawed opposition parties, shut the largest church in Ukraine and threatened to punish any Christians worshiping in an unapproved fashion( whatever that mean?).
Let them fight it out. There's bad blood between Russia and Ukraine going back centuries.
Not our business.
And give us our money back. You'll find a lot if it ,I suspect, in his swiss bank account.
And no I don't support Putin. He's just the other side of a crooked coin.
Zelensky won a free and fair election. The clamping down of the opposition parties came post-invasion, akin to what we did during the second world war. There is, inevitably, unfortunate sacrifices to be made when you are at war. The political parties which actively assisted the invading force were always going to find themselves as being outlawed. Banning of political parties isn't something I can defend in peace time, but in a war in which they actively assist the aggressor, it is an understandable action.
How bloody insulting, comparing us to Zelenskyy and his tyrannical regime.
During ww2 we had a coalition government. We did not clamp down on opposition. The opposition was in the government. It was cross party.
Uk literally just paid those debts off a few years ago. Did we scream where is our money?
The debt was accrued to defend us not some corrupt little shit in Ukraine. We borrowed so we could fight the war. A war in which we helped arm and feed Russia so they could maintain the fight against Germany.
For ever 3 tanks driven in Russia during ww2 one was made in Britain. We sent guns,bombs,food,planes tanks...and the USA did even more.
That's where the debt came from. and the issue with Ukraine with you is? They getting the same program you literally accepted. Yet they not good enough to fight tyranny. How long has Putin been in power again ? Do you see the resemblance? No you do not. You in your own tidy little bubble. All about ... Guess what you said it your selfishness. Give me my money.
Zelenskyy is just as bad as putin you nitwit. Don't you see that? And what do you mean selfishness? It's our money. It doesn't grow on fukin trees. Wtf should we indebt ourselves for this poisonous little shit? It's not our war.
Let them fight it out. Putin will win this ,hands down. What will we achieve? Even if he leaves Ukraine he will leave it in bits. It will happen whether we indebt ourselves or not. The dye is cast. Look at Russian history. They don't give a fuk about individuals. They will sacrifice people and space for time. It's old scores bring settled.
Putin and Zelenskyy are two sides of the same coin.
well zelenski and the Ukrainians has a oddly familiar tone to their survival. Think 1776 you dolt. At least in the American public eyes all you concerned about is what is in you wallet.
If Pelosi and Harris support him it must reek....you dolt.
You must be a Biden acolyte!?
I surely can contest I lean republican. Alot of people on here can contest to that. They can agree with your " Misconception". Your attempts are in vain..
We'll agree to differ, but do stop seeing Zelenskyy as a hero. He's a nasty little dictator, every bit as bad as Putin, but minus the nukes. then who is next Poland? Germany? You can literally go read Putin's ambitions it's like mien kampf all over again. It's literally on the Kremlin website. Guess you ok with that. Guess what zelenski not mentioned at all. Strange.
Do you really think Putin would risk war with NATO? Ffs his troops couldn't even take Ukraine quickly. Against American or British battle divisions he wouldn't stand a hope. He's attempting to recreate an old style Soviet structure, which he has bever gotten over since 1990.
He might be an old school Soviet but isn't dumb enough engage NATO. Get real.
As for Mein Kampf, have you read it?
Yeah he will post it on a website so all can read it.
Is he going to use nuclear warheads? Because that's the only hope he has against NATO.
He's a menace but not that dense.
Ffs think. but you screamed foul. Because it hurts your wallet. Scroll up to your statement. Ukraine is fighting for their values they choose not having Putin as a dictator but you perfectly acceptable accepting that just because it's a inconvenience for you to get a new I phone or whatever .
What is your end goal here?
If you think Putin will lose you're deluded.
Tell me your end goal. is Putin winning? It's called attrition you sink a economy destroy a military over time so that they can't be a threat. Is Ukraine doing that ? It was supposed to be over already. Ukraine defended deep for a reason. Yes I'm a woman but I not that stupid to realize the goals. Russia relying on mass casualty tactics. Send hordes. Is it working on large scale? It is not. The more firepower the "west" brings to the theater the better. There was a reason these systems were built to foil Russian aggression. Let's take Himars for instance it was built 20 years ago. It's the most capable system on the battlefield. Yet you want to deny .
Attrition? But not with your life.
How will you measure victory? lol I served ,in Iraq and Afghanistan. I understand. Just like others. We hold the line. You complain about what benefits you .Did your statement not reflect that or am I wrong ? You said give me my money. selfishness don't ya think? Or are you proud of your assumption.
What line? You left.
The Afghan line where you hid in a compound when British troops went our to rescue people. Your C.O asked us to stop cause it made you look bad. We said fuk off, we are going out. Hold the line?
Gimme a break.
where were you again ? Hiding behind your wallet. Like you stated.. I have my nitemares. You have fiscal priorities. Major differences.i understand Ukraine you understand momentary value to yourself. Tell me I wrong. You stated that clearly."lol what is hilarious to me. I have bonds my sister's and brothers from other nations.something you can't fathom . Except your own greed. Maybe I might be a fool . I choose them over your ignorance. | |||
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"another thing the Germans potentially are afraid of is last time they sent tanks east they finished up with Russian tanks in Berlin phycology is a big thing " Delaying the potential inevitable, the outcome is likely the same either way. Whether they do or don't. This year, next year or in years to come. Untreated infections spread. | |||
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"A plurality of Germans agree Ukraine needs tanks, just not from Germany. You do realise that 'plurality' means 'a large number, but less than 50%'? What do the rest of the German people think?" Yes. Though a more recent poll gives a plurality to Germany sending tanks, but only slightly. 46% in favour, 43% against (see here https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/deutschlandtrend/deutschlandtrend-3277.html). Given how close that would be to the margin of error, the government can justifiably claim they are reflecting public opinion. Though I think that's a dangerous precedent, governments should be prepared to do what is unpopular, usually much more unpopular than this with regards to foreign policy. And as I have posted, Poland intends on giving them Leopards anyway, no doubt they won't be alone. I'd imagine the Germans will follow suit but will only do so after others have done, not just Poland. | |||
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"Poland should just send the Leo's they getting 250 Abraham's they purchased. The older Leo's would be a huge capability for Ukraine. " And when they need spare parts? Germany says no.. lame duck tanks and no future supply. | |||
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"Poland should just send the Leo's they getting 250 Abraham's they purchased. The older Leo's would be a huge capability for Ukraine. " | |||
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"Poland should just send the Leo's they getting 250 Abraham's they purchased. The older Leo's would be a huge capability for Ukraine. And when they need spare parts? Germany says no.. lame duck tanks and no future supply." You honest think Germany going to risk not allowing Ukraine to get those tanks ? Expecially when alot of European nations are uping thier defense spending? Poland is going massive upgrades.  | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace. "Germany has a very different history to the UK or the USA and has, remarkably honourably, shouldered a great deal of guilt for past actions and remains ambivalent about any action beyond self defence and humanitarian aid. They re also worried at being singled out by Russia as escalating the conflict because the decision is theirs. That is why they want another big player (the USA) to spread the attention. They are unlikely to send tanks themselves, but need to allow permission for those sold to other countries to be used, as is common in arms sales. Several countries are willing to supply Leopard 2s. The Ukrainians are keen to be able to deploy a single vehicle type in sufficient numbers to allow for efficient logistics and supply. They have struggled with the multiple systems that they have been supplied so far. The Leopard 2 is the best option for them. It is inevitable that Germany will give permission, but they may be hoping for more help to diffuse attention but they now have more attention than they are comfortable with. It's not as easy as you seem to be portraying it. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace.
Germany has a very different history to the UK or the USA and has, remarkably honourably, shouldered a great deal of guilt for past actions and remains ambivalent about any action beyond self defence and humanitarian aid. They re also worried at being singled out by Russia as escalating the conflict because the decision is theirs. That is why they want another big player (the USA) to spread the attention.
They are unlikely to send tanks themselves, but need to allow permission for those sold to other countries to be used, as is common in arms sales.
Several countries are willing to supply Leopard 2s.
The Ukrainians are keen to be able to deploy a single vehicle type in sufficient numbers to allow for efficient logistics and supply. They have struggled with the multiple systems that they have been supplied so far. The Leopard 2 is the best option for them.
It is inevitable that Germany will give permission, but they may be hoping for more help to diffuse attention but they now have more attention than they are comfortable with.
It's not as easy as you seem to be portraying it."After quoting my mum. I thought I’d reply to this one and say I quite agree with this. | |||
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"Its not our war." Do you not think that is short-sighted? Will it only be "our war" when they are boarding landing ships on our coast and we are on our own? Do you ignore the symptoms of an illness until you are incapacitated or do you seek treatment early to prevent it from becoming worse? | |||
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"Its not our war. Do you not think that is short-sighted? Will it only be "our war" when they are boarding landing ships on our coast and we are on our own? Do you ignore the symptoms of an illness until you are incapacitated or do you seek treatment early to prevent it from becoming worse?" Stop talking rubbish, they're struggling with Ukraine as is. Besides, Poland or France could deal with the easily enough. | |||
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"Its not our war." It is and has been since 1945, trouble is after the wall came down we took our eyes off the ball.. | |||
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"Its not our war. Do you not think that is short-sighted? Will it only be "our war" when they are boarding landing ships on our coast and we are on our own? Do you ignore the symptoms of an illness until you are incapacitated or do you seek treatment early to prevent it from becoming worse? Stop talking rubbish, they're struggling with Ukraine as is. Besides, Poland or France could deal with the easily enough." Who is "they"? Do you mean Russia? If so, they have struggled with Ukraine because of the support they have been given. Direct military and trade sanctions. Without it, they probably would have had to capitulate by now. That would have placed Russia's tactic of military and energy intimidation as a "diplomatic" strategy in a different light and similarly influences China's view. I don't think that anyone "easily" deals with Russia militarily. | |||
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"Great news !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64391272"It be interesting to see how the Leo's preform. If Ukraine is smart they should utilize the night warfare capabilities of the Leo's Bradley's marders challengers and strikers for nighttime thunder runs. | |||
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"Great news !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64391272 It be interesting to see how the Leo's preform. If Ukraine is smart they should utilize the night warfare capabilities of the Leo's Bradley's marders challengers and strikers for nighttime thunder runs."Impressed with your knowledge Blu | |||
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"Great news !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64391272 It be interesting to see how the Leo's preform. If Ukraine is smart they should utilize the night warfare capabilities of the Leo's Bradley's marders challengers and strikers for nighttime thunder runs.
Impressed with your knowledge Blu "lol I was in the US army for 10 years. Hubby is retired and contracts to Boeing. I might come off as harsh but it's my differences in knowledge. Insight. It's all I can provide. Just like others.My experiences differ to others. | |||
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"Leo's advantage over Russian capability is nighttime. It's a older tank that doesn't have the capability of the t-90 survivability. But in conjunction with all the supplies of other equipment it's a shining upgrade. You can't destroy what you can't see." sorry ranting as others will accuse me of I am proud of my military accomplishments. Sorry. | |||
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"Leo's advantage over Russian capability is nighttime. It's a older tank that doesn't have the capability of the t-90 survivability. But in conjunction with all the supplies of other equipment it's a shining upgrade. You can't destroy what you can't see. sorry ranting as others will accuse me of I am proud of my military accomplishments. Sorry." being a female men tend to downgrade my experiences. It just makes me more angry. Yes I admit I can be an a raging lunatic. But.. my experiences differ. | |||
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"Leo's advantage over Russian capability is nighttime. It's a older tank that doesn't have the capability of the t-90 survivability. But in conjunction with all the supplies of other equipment it's a shining upgrade. You can't destroy what you can't see. sorry ranting as others will accuse me of I am proud of my military accomplishments. Sorry. being a female men tend to downgrade my experiences. It just makes me more angry. Yes I admit I can be an a raging lunatic. But.. my experiences differ." it's so easy to sit back stare at news and whatever data you need to make yourself feel special. When bullets fly and people are wounded your priorities on news and data go out the window. Yet... Some people do not understand. They just read and quote. | |||
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"Great news !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64391272 It be interesting to see how the Leo's preform. If Ukraine is smart they should utilize the night warfare capabilities of the Leo's Bradley's marders challengers and strikers for nighttime thunder runs.
Impressed with your knowledge Blu lol I was in the US army for 10 years. Hubby is retired and contracts to Boeing. I might come off as harsh but it's my differences in knowledge. Insight. It's all I can provide. Just like others.My experiences differ to others. "Experience beats opinion every time. | |||
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"Great news !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64391272 It be interesting to see how the Leo's preform. If Ukraine is smart they should utilize the night warfare capabilities of the Leo's Bradley's marders challengers and strikers for nighttime thunder runs.
Impressed with your knowledge Blu lol I was in the US army for 10 years. Hubby is retired and contracts to Boeing. I might come off as harsh but it's my differences in knowledge. Insight. It's all I can provide. Just like others.My experiences differ to others.
Experience beats opinion every time."not all the time .. try being a female warrior. It's frowned upon. It's a constant I have to prove. Then everyone wonders why I am as psychopath sometimes. It's usually men that feel the need to try and put me in my place. Nope... I am still here and I still have a voice. I am strange I am a anomaly. | |||
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"Sounds like Germany & the US will send tanks to Ukraine. Tense times. Side note: nice to see Blu is still ranting. So some things never change." yet I am still here love you too | |||
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"(More seriously to Blu: maybe take a breath or take a walk or something when you get so worked up. It may help x.)" Why ? I don't like being suppressed just because you disagree. I may rant like you say. I stay true to myself. I don't need social control like some. You can just as easily not engage . Yet you do.weird maybe you need the break not me. | |||
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"(More seriously to Blu: maybe take a breath or take a walk or something when you get so worked up. It may help x.) Why ? I don't like being suppressed just because you disagree. I may rant like you say. I stay true to myself. I don't need social control like some. You can just as easily not engage . Yet you do.weird maybe you need the break not me. "Ho hum, I tried to help you. I'll leave you to keep on ranting x | |||
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"(More seriously to Blu: maybe take a breath or take a walk or something when you get so worked up. It may help x.) Why ? I don't like being suppressed just because you disagree. I may rant like you say. I stay true to myself. I don't need social control like some. You can just as easily not engage . Yet you do.weird maybe you need the break not me.
Ho hum, I tried to help you. I'll leave you to keep on ranting x"how so silencing me to suit your needs? I stated I stated I can be insane. do you honestly think your opinion of me matters ? Nope... | |||
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"Sounds like Germany & the US will send tanks to Ukraine. Tense times. Side note: nice to see Blu is still ranting. So some things never change." Please don't be rude. | |||
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"Sounds like Germany & the US will send tanks to Ukraine. Tense times. Side note: nice to see Blu is still ranting. So some things never change." So, Germany took the step that it wanted to once it had the political support that it felt that it needed from the US. Shifting some long held beliefs and policies after much reflection. They were one of the biggest financial supporters of Ukraine before then. So, neither shameful or disgraceful. | |||
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"Don’t know much about tanks but for those who do, aren’t all of these getting old now? Is the T90 Russia’s most modern tank? If so does that mean they have not developed a new tank since the collapse of the Soviet Union? Leopard 2 came into service in the 80s didn’t it? Same with Abrams? Challenger 2 was 90s? I could look it up but interested in hearing from our Fab Tankers re the relative merits of each "I believe they have the Armata that helpfully broke down the first time they paraded it
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"Russia wouldn't risk losing a T14 Armata, or even worse, having one captured in Ukraine. They don't have that many anyway. Tank warfare needs to be backed up by proper air support. " I think Putin is holding his main armaments to protect Russia not take land from other countries. Quite what the Russian people will think when they know how many men have been killed I do not know. | |||
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"Russia wouldn't risk losing a T14 Armata, or even worse, having one captured in Ukraine. They don't have that many anyway. Tank warfare needs to be backed up by proper air support. I think Putin is holding his main armaments to protect Russia not take land from other countries. Quite what the Russian people will think when they know how many men have been killed I do not know. " maybe but using cranes to install pansir air defense systems on top of Moscow government buildings is strange. | |||
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"German Govt still refusing to give Ukraine the Leopard tanks it has practically begged for, and stopping other countries from supplying them. What an absolute shame and disgrace.
They may not want the amic or cia getting their hands on it's military tech I am sure once the americans send the same amount if abrams the leopards will be delivered.
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"These countries giving weapons to Ukraine are gonna pay a price in the long term! Putin won’t forget and he will get his revenge on the west. " Thank goodness there are still men who have a backbone and won't roll over to an aggressor like Putin. The only price is being paid by Ukrainian men women and children every day while you cower away. | |||
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"this is the wrong platform for this type pf conversation as it invites idiocy and poorly informed dickheads ..." read some Ukrainian history , speak to some Ukrainian people here in the UK , read above message.. | |||
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"Don’t know much about tanks but for those who do, aren’t all of these getting old now? Is the T90 Russia’s most modern tank? If so does that mean they have not developed a new tank since the collapse of the Soviet Union? Leopard 2 came into service in the 80s didn’t it? Same with Abrams? Challenger 2 was 90s? I could look it up but interested in hearing from our Fab Tankers re the relative merits of each "Abrams tanks are basically symbolic for this sort of mission… but not really helpful… they operate on jet fuel and they absolutely gas guzzlers so they are not going to be the ones at the front… they are going to be there for very very specific “defensive placement” It’s also interesting to see some of the wording in the statement… the Abram tanks are not coming out of the US stockpiles… they will either be specifically manufactured by the makers.. or more likely they will buy them back from countries they have sold them to to then give them to Ukraine! It’s the leopard 2’s that will be doing the heavy lifting!!! | |||
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"Don’t know much about tanks but for those who do, aren’t all of these getting old now? Is the T90 Russia’s most modern tank? If so does that mean they have not developed a new tank since the collapse of the Soviet Union? Leopard 2 came into service in the 80s didn’t it? Same with Abrams? Challenger 2 was 90s? I could look it up but interested in hearing from our Fab Tankers re the relative merits of each
Abrams tanks are basically symbolic for this sort of mission… but not really helpful… they operate on jet fuel and they absolutely gas guzzlers so they are not going to be the ones at the front… they are going to be there for very very specific “defensive placement”
It’s also interesting to see some of the wording in the statement… the Abram tanks are not coming out of the US stockpiles… they will either be specifically manufactured by the makers.. or more likely they will buy them back from countries they have sold them to to then give them to Ukraine!
It’s the leopard 2’s that will be doing the heavy lifting!!! "iirc the usa have large stocks of early model Abrams in mothballs and for use by national guard units .jordan have a 300+ challenger2s thet no longer need could be a good source of supply . | |||
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"Don’t know much about tanks but for those who do, aren’t all of these getting old now? Is the T90 Russia’s most modern tank? If so does that mean they have not developed a new tank since the collapse of the Soviet Union? Leopard 2 came into service in the 80s didn’t it? Same with Abrams? Challenger 2 was 90s? I could look it up but interested in hearing from our Fab Tankers re the relative merits of each
Abrams tanks are basically symbolic for this sort of mission… but not really helpful… they operate on jet fuel and they absolutely gas guzzlers so they are not going to be the ones at the front… they are going to be there for very very specific “defensive placement”
It’s also interesting to see some of the wording in the statement… the Abram tanks are not coming out of the US stockpiles… they will either be specifically manufactured by the makers.. or more likely they will buy them back from countries they have sold them to to then give them to Ukraine!
It’s the leopard 2’s that will be doing the heavy lifting!!! "I agree we only sending enough for 2 NATO companies. The training alone to maintain a Abraham's will take alot of time. Standard training for that MOS as a maintainer is 24 weeks. Let alone training the crews. | |||
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"Don’t know much about tanks but for those who do, aren’t all of these getting old now? Is the T90 Russia’s most modern tank? If so does that mean they have not developed a new tank since the collapse of the Soviet Union? Leopard 2 came into service in the 80s didn’t it? Same with Abrams? Challenger 2 was 90s? I could look it up but interested in hearing from our Fab Tankers re the relative merits of each
Abrams tanks are basically symbolic for this sort of mission… but not really helpful… they operate on jet fuel and they absolutely gas guzzlers so they are not going to be the ones at the front… they are going to be there for very very specific “defensive placement”
It’s also interesting to see some of the wording in the statement… the Abram tanks are not coming out of the US stockpiles… they will either be specifically manufactured by the makers.. or more likely they will buy them back from countries they have sold them to to then give them to Ukraine!
It’s the leopard 2’s that will be doing the heavy lifting!!! I agree we only sending enough for 2 NATO companies. The training alone to maintain a Abraham's will take alot of time. Standard training for that MOS as a maintainer is 24 weeks. Let alone training the crews."The only way I see cutting time is pulling Ukrainian aircraft maintenance crews that have similar knowledge. | |||
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"The US tanks won't make any spring offensive, and is more of a political gesture to appease the Germans. They may or may not get sent, but it allows Europe to get their Leopards into the game. Hopefully, this news will quickly filter down to the Russian T90 crews!" Ukraine getting formidable fire and maneuver force with the tanks and ifvs. | |||
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"These countries giving weapons to Ukraine are gonna pay a price in the long term! Putin won’t forget and he will get his revenge on the west. " Personly I disagree the sooner the war is over economy's will grow energy prices will fall and evert one will benifit if energy falls 10% And Tax goes up 5% would it mater? And if we don't back Ukraine where will putin invade next. Supporting Ukraine is almost selfish as they are saving everyone supplying what they need is an easy out. Tanks can be serviced in Poland buy anyone. As a NATO country. | |||
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"The US tanks won't make any spring offensive, and is more of a political gesture to appease the Germans. They may or may not get sent, but it allows Europe to get their Leopards into the game. Hopefully, this news will quickly filter down to the Russian T90 crews! Ukraine getting formidable fire and maneuver force with the tanks and ifvs." We were trained to fear Russia as a near peer force. Imagine my confusion. | |||
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"These countries giving weapons to Ukraine are gonna pay a price in the long term! Putin won’t forget and he will get his revenge on the west. " BOLLOX NATO tanks have highly advanced night fighting capabilities that the Russians cannot effectively counter. Challengers, Leopards and ultimately Abrams will devastate Russian defences at night. Russia will be fucked by these tanks and it is understandable that their gobshite political commentators are angry about this development. A single NATO tank can wreak night-time havoc on Russian defences. Many, many Russians will go to sleep in their trenches in the coming months and won’t even wake up again. This is Putin’s end game. | |||
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"The US tanks won't make any spring offensive, and is more of a political gesture to appease the Germans. They may or may not get sent, but it allows Europe to get their Leopards into the game. Hopefully, this news will quickly filter down to the Russian T90 crews! Ukraine getting formidable fire and maneuver force with the tanks and ifvs. We were trained to fear Russia as a near peer force. Imagine my confusion." I suspect that fear goes way back to the nuclear arms race & the space race between the USA & the USSR - as it was then. There's no doubt the USA is militarily superior to Russia now. And after a shaky start, the USA also won the space race. The worry for many is that Russia still has serious nuclear capabilities. | |||
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"maybe but using cranes to install pansir air defense systems on top of Moscow government buildings is strange. " When the soviet union collapsed, one of the biggest concerns of Gorbachev was civil war. He has said on many occasions that he felt it was one of his greatest achievements to handle the period of change without civil war. | |||
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"Putins revenge will not be militarily!! There is more ways for him to get his revenge without firing a single bullet! Why is oil prices high - people think it’s the war, seriously look at the bigger picture. Why do so many oil producers want to kill the petrodollar/ what will be the consequences! This is a huge conversation amongst OPEC+ now!! Look at BRICS and those countries attitude toward Russian sanctions. What about the potential new addition to BRICS? What about the political and social upheaval in the US for this past 5 years - anyone guess who/was behind or responsible for that? We can talk all we want about tanks, planes, missiles whatever… but remember the old saying… the pen is mightier than the sword ? Btw why did Israel NOT provide the Iron Dome missile defence system to the Ukraine despite president Zelenskyy (a Jew) flying to Israel and asking for them? As someone said earlier read up on history because Ukraine has some rather infamous people and a naughty little history too. Btw in conclusion I wish to clarify I wish this war would stop right now. I support neither Putin or Zelenskyy. One death no matter if. It’s Russian or Ukrainian is one too many. There are now winners in war, everyone involved are losers. " By supporting neither side you don't chastise putin. Disgraceful | |||
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"Putins revenge will not be militarily!! There is more ways for him to get his revenge without firing a single bullet! Why is oil prices high - people think it’s the war, seriously look at the bigger picture. Why do so many oil producers want to kill the petrodollar/ what will be the consequences! This is a huge conversation amongst OPEC+ now!! Look at BRICS and those countries attitude toward Russian sanctions. What about the potential new addition to BRICS? What about the political and social upheaval in the US for this past 5 years - anyone guess who/was behind or responsible for that? We can talk all we want about tanks, planes, missiles whatever… but remember the old saying… the pen is mightier than the sword ? Btw why did Israel NOT provide the Iron Dome missile defence system to the Ukraine despite president Zelenskyy (a Jew) flying to Israel and asking for them? As someone said earlier read up on history because Ukraine has some rather infamous people and a naughty little history too. Btw in conclusion I wish to clarify I wish this war would stop right now. I support neither Putin or Zelenskyy. One death no matter if. It’s Russian or Ukrainian is one too many. There are now winners in war, everyone involved are losers. " Actually because of sanctions Russian oil can only be sold at a maximum of 60 dollars a barrel … and because in both the us and eu sanctions it states that ships registered in that’s country will also be sanctioned if they carry Russian cargo they have effectively stopped anyone but Russian freighters carrying because western insurer’s won’t underwrite… Even though opec did say they would reduce the amount of oil produced it still roughly 2 million barrels per day below that figure at the moment | |||
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"Putins revenge will not be militarily!! There is more ways for him to get his revenge without firing a single bullet! Why is oil prices high - people think it’s the war, seriously look at the bigger picture. Why do so many oil producers want to kill the petrodollar/ what will be the consequences! This is a huge conversation amongst OPEC+ now!! Look at BRICS and those countries attitude toward Russian sanctions. What about the potential new addition to BRICS? What about the political and social upheaval in the US for this past 5 years - anyone guess who/was behind or responsible for that? We can talk all we want about tanks, planes, missiles whatever… but remember the old saying… the pen is mightier than the sword ? Btw why did Israel NOT provide the Iron Dome missile defence system to the Ukraine despite president Zelenskyy (a Jew) flying to Israel and asking for them? As someone said earlier read up on history because Ukraine has some rather infamous people and a naughty little history too. Btw in conclusion I wish to clarify I wish this war would stop right now. I support neither Putin or Zelenskyy. One death no matter if. It’s Russian or Ukrainian is one too many. There are now winners in war, everyone involved are losers. " War is wrong and destructive, but if they stop now Russia will be rewarded for its aggression and that is wrong too. There are also international considerations that keep the world peace that need to be considered. Finish a small war well to prevent a massive one later. | |||
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"Think of the cold war how much was spent on defense. It's better to pay now then more over time. Attrit Russia to the point of it can't have the ability to threaten others." The USA spent some 13 trillion dollars since the start of the cold war so spending 50 billion de-fanging the Russians and removing them from the top poker table of world military powers is an absolute bargain. | |||
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"Think of the cold war how much was spent on defense. It's better to pay now then more over time. Attrit Russia to the point of it can't have the ability to threaten others." The single and only reason for war is profit. So you can bet your beans that everything will be done to get maximum value from this conflict. | |||
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"Think of the cold war how much was spent on defense. It's better to pay now then more over time. Attrit Russia to the point of it can't have the ability to threaten others. The single and only reason for war is profit. So you can bet your beans that everything will be done to get maximum value from this conflict. " Well you can't just throw glitter at Putin and hope he gives in. | |||
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"Think of the cold war how much was spent on defense. It's better to pay now then more over time. Attrit Russia to the point of it can't have the ability to threaten others. The single and only reason for war is profit. So you can bet your beans that everything will be done to get maximum value from this conflict. " So is healthcare. So is energy food and other resources. You scream energy all the time. You can't tell me no one is profiting off it. | |||
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"Think of the cold war how much was spent on defense. It's better to pay now then more over time. Attrit Russia to the point of it can't have the ability to threaten others. The single and only reason for war is profit. So you can bet your beans that everything will be done to get maximum value from this conflict. Well you can't just throw glitter at Putin and hope he gives in." You could if glitter cost $ billions | |||
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"Think of the cold war how much was spent on defense. It's better to pay now then more over time. Attrit Russia to the point of it can't have the ability to threaten others. The single and only reason for war is profit. So you can bet your beans that everything will be done to get maximum value from this conflict. So is healthcare. So is energy food and other resources. You scream energy all the time. You can't tell me no one is profiting off it." Healthcare isn't here. It's about health. Energy is, especially fossil fuels. That's why it's so hard to get any government to pull away. What does "screaming" about energy mean? I haven't screamed about it. Plus this is all written. | |||
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"Think of the cold war how much was spent on defense. It's better to pay now then more over time. Attrit Russia to the point of it can't have the ability to threaten others. The single and only reason for war is profit. So you can bet your beans that everything will be done to get maximum value from this conflict. So is healthcare. So is energy food and other resources. You scream energy all the time. You can't tell me no one is profiting off it. Healthcare isn't here. It's about health. Energy is, especially fossil fuels. That's why it's so hard to get any government to pull away. What does "screaming" about energy mean? I haven't screamed about it. Plus this is all written. " so is anything mankind has done for the betterment. Someone profits. War no different. 250000 people die here every year from healthcare negligence. Yet securing other nations and making a profit is evil in your eyes... Strange how you think. | |||
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"Think of the cold war how much was spent on defense. It's better to pay now then more over time. Attrit Russia to the point of it can't have the ability to threaten others. The single and only reason for war is profit. So you can bet your beans that everything will be done to get maximum value from this conflict. So is healthcare. So is energy food and other resources. You scream energy all the time. You can't tell me no one is profiting off it. Healthcare isn't here. It's about health. Energy is, especially fossil fuels. That's why it's so hard to get any government to pull away. What does "screaming" about energy mean? I haven't screamed about it. Plus this is all written. so is anything mankind has done for the betterment. Someone profits. War no different. 250000 people die here every year from healthcare negligence. Yet securing other nations and making a profit is evil in your eyes... Strange how you think." Not at all. There are many alturistic people in the world. Your healthcare system sounds problematic. You don't think that war for profit is bad? You brought up "evil", but you don't think that people who start and profit from war, all the death and loss of life are evil. I'm guessing not. | |||
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"Think of the cold war how much was spent on defense. It's better to pay now then more over time. Attrit Russia to the point of it can't have the ability to threaten others. The single and only reason for war is profit. So you can bet your beans that everything will be done to get maximum value from this conflict. So is healthcare. So is energy food and other resources. You scream energy all the time. You can't tell me no one is profiting off it. Healthcare isn't here. It's about health. Energy is, especially fossil fuels. That's why it's so hard to get any government to pull away. What does "screaming" about energy mean? I haven't screamed about it. Plus this is all written. so is anything mankind has done for the betterment. Someone profits. War no different. 250000 people die here every year from healthcare negligence. Yet securing other nations and making a profit is evil in your eyes... Strange how you think. Not at all. There are many alturistic people in the world. Your healthcare system sounds problematic. You don't think that war for profit is bad? You brought up "evil", but you don't think that people who start and profit from war, all the death and loss of life are evil. I'm guessing not. " Lol healthcare ok. As usual. We are one of the top 2 countries that believe in individualism. My healthcare is top notch. Yours is failing is it not? | |||
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"Think of the cold war how much was spent on defense. It's better to pay now then more over time. Attrit Russia to the point of it can't have the ability to threaten others. The single and only reason for war is profit. So you can bet your beans that everything will be done to get maximum value from this conflict. So is healthcare. So is energy food and other resources. You scream energy all the time. You can't tell me no one is profiting off it. Healthcare isn't here. It's about health. Energy is, especially fossil fuels. That's why it's so hard to get any government to pull away. What does "screaming" about energy mean? I haven't screamed about it. Plus this is all written. so is anything mankind has done for the betterment. Someone profits. War no different. 250000 people die here every year from healthcare negligence. Yet securing other nations and making a profit is evil in your eyes... Strange how you think. Not at all. There are many alturistic people in the world. Your healthcare system sounds problematic. You don't think that war for profit is bad? You brought up "evil", but you don't think that people who start and profit from war, all the death and loss of life are evil. I'm guessing not. " You don't think big pharma is bad ? Or big oil? Or big green energy? Guess what without military interventions all those things you cherish is moot.. because everyone is not on the same wonderful page you perceive. | |||
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"Think of the cold war how much was spent on defense. It's better to pay now then more over time. Attrit Russia to the point of it can't have the ability to threaten others. The single and only reason for war is profit. So you can bet your beans that everything will be done to get maximum value from this conflict. So is healthcare. So is energy food and other resources. You scream energy all the time. You can't tell me no one is profiting off it. Healthcare isn't here. It's about health. Energy is, especially fossil fuels. That's why it's so hard to get any government to pull away. What does "screaming" about energy mean? I haven't screamed about it. Plus this is all written. so is anything mankind has done for the betterment. Someone profits. War no different. 250000 people die here every year from healthcare negligence. Yet securing other nations and making a profit is evil in your eyes... Strange how you think. Not at all. There are many alturistic people in the world. Your healthcare system sounds problematic. You don't think that war for profit is bad? You brought up "evil", but you don't think that people who start and profit from war, all the death and loss of life are evil. I'm guessing not. Lol healthcare ok. As usual. We are one of the top 2 countries that believe in individualism. My healthcare is top notch. Yours is failing is it not? " You brought up health care. Why do you have this thing that people outside of America aren't individuals? | |||
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"Think of the cold war how much was spent on defense. It's better to pay now then more over time. Attrit Russia to the point of it can't have the ability to threaten others. The single and only reason for war is profit. So you can bet your beans that everything will be done to get maximum value from this conflict. So is healthcare. So is energy food and other resources. You scream energy all the time. You can't tell me no one is profiting off it. Healthcare isn't here. It's about health. Energy is, especially fossil fuels. That's why it's so hard to get any government to pull away. What does "screaming" about energy mean? I haven't screamed about it. Plus this is all written. so is anything mankind has done for the betterment. Someone profits. War no different. 250000 people die here every year from healthcare negligence. Yet securing other nations and making a profit is evil in your eyes... Strange how you think. Not at all. There are many alturistic people in the world. Your healthcare system sounds problematic. You don't think that war for profit is bad? You brought up "evil", but you don't think that people who start and profit from war, all the death and loss of life are evil. I'm guessing not. You don't think big pharma is bad ? Or big oil? Or big green energy? Guess what without military interventions all those things you cherish is moot.. because everyone is not on the same wonderful page you perceive." Big pharma behave badly over there yes. Fossil fuels industry is pretty badly behaved Green energy is what we need. Not sure what any of this has to do with the military industrial complex. | |||
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"Umm because we not we believe in self reliance. You can look those facts up if you wish." What facts? I'm genuinely interested, and trying to understand. | |||
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"Umm because we not we believe in self reliance. You can look those facts up if you wish." yet people going without basic needs in Ukraine. Energy healthcare food water because of a dictator is acceptable in your eyes. Just as long as there is no profiteering. I do not think anyone in in Ukraine is going someone please put up a wind turbine. | |||
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"Umm because we not we believe in self reliance. You can look those facts up if you wish. yet people going without basic needs in Ukraine. Energy healthcare food water because of a dictator is acceptable in your eyes. Just as long as there is no profiteering. I do not think anyone in in Ukraine is going someone please put up a wind turbine." I don't know what this means. | |||
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"The single and only reason for war is profit. So you can bet your beans that everything will be done to get maximum value from this conflict. Your quote is it not ? " keep trying I admit I rant but the majority of you deflect. War is for the betterment like it or not. Doctors are for the betterment like it or not and a plethora of other instances.Yet I am wrong and you self righteous ones assume you are right. Here is a secret ... It doesn't matter. Yup I'll claim my rant. Proudly. At least I stand by my convictions. Take solace in my insanity if you choose.. it's still mine | |||
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"Psst Abrahams sep3 we still have the best tank. "I know little about tanks so what makes the Abrams “the best tank” and is it really? | |||
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"The single and only reason for war is profit. So you can bet your beans that everything will be done to get maximum value from this conflict. Your quote is it not ? " Yep. | |||
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"Umm because we not we believe in self reliance. You can look those facts up if you wish." "What facts? I'm genuinely interested, and trying to understand." "I am clear and precise. You always want to deflect when cornered.just like others. Simple tell me why Ukraine shouldn't get anything needed no matter who profits ?" "You asked me this "Simple tell me why Ukraine shouldn't get anything needed no matter who profits ?" This question doesn't seem relevant to the conversation. I don't understand why you're asking me this. And I don't understand what the question even means. " It's really not difficult to understand. You said "The single and only reason for war is profit". Blu is now asking you if that means you think that we shouldn't be supporting them, or if the people of Ukraine should get whatever they need regardless of who is profiting. | |||
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"Umm because we not we believe in self reliance. You can look those facts up if you wish. What facts? I'm genuinely interested, and trying to understand. I am clear and precise. You always want to deflect when cornered.just like others. Simple tell me why Ukraine shouldn't get anything needed no matter who profits ? You asked me this "Simple tell me why Ukraine shouldn't get anything needed no matter who profits ?" This question doesn't seem relevant to the conversation. I don't understand why you're asking me this. And I don't understand what the question even means. It's really not difficult to understand. You said "The single and only reason for war is profit". Blu is now asking you if that means you think that we shouldn't be supporting them, or if the people of Ukraine should get whatever they need regardless of who is profiting." That's much clearer. But even so, how is that related to what I said? Actually, let's just cut out the next 20 messages arguing about semantics. You win. 100%. I concede. | |||
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"Umm because we not we believe in self reliance. You can look those facts up if you wish." "What facts? I'm genuinely interested, and trying to understand." "I am clear and precise. You always want to deflect when cornered.just like others. Simple tell me why Ukraine shouldn't get anything needed no matter who profits ? You asked me this "Simple tell me why Ukraine shouldn't get anything needed no matter who profits ?"" "This question doesn't seem relevant to the conversation. I don't understand why you're asking me this. And I don't understand what the question even means." "It's really not difficult to understand. You said "The single and only reason for war is profit". Blu is now asking you if that means you think that we shouldn't be supporting them, or if the people of Ukraine should get whatever they need regardless of who is profiting." "That's much clearer. But even so, how is that related to what I said? Actually, let's just cut out the next 20 messages arguing about semantics. You win. 100%. I concede. " It seems a bit pointless you posting here at all if you're not going to engage with others. But just in case - You stated that war was always started for profit. Blu asked you whether that means that we should stay pacifist, because that would deny the profit makers their prize; or whether we should help out people caught up in war, despite the fact that someone will profit from it. It seems to me that her question is very much related to what you said. | |||
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"Umm because we not we believe in self reliance. You can look those facts up if you wish. What facts? I'm genuinely interested, and trying to understand. I am clear and precise. You always want to deflect when cornered.just like others. Simple tell me why Ukraine shouldn't get anything needed no matter who profits ? You asked me this "Simple tell me why Ukraine shouldn't get anything needed no matter who profits ?" This question doesn't seem relevant to the conversation. I don't understand why you're asking me this. And I don't understand what the question even means. It's really not difficult to understand. You said "The single and only reason for war is profit". Blu is now asking you if that means you think that we shouldn't be supporting them, or if the people of Ukraine should get whatever they need regardless of who is profiting. That's much clearer. But even so, how is that related to what I said? Actually, let's just cut out the next 20 messages arguing about semantics. You win. 100%. I concede. It seems a bit pointless you posting here at all if you're not going to engage with others. But just in case - You stated that war was always started for profit. Blu asked you whether that means that we should stay pacifist, because that would deny the profit makers their prize; or whether we should help out people caught up in war, despite the fact that someone will profit from it. It seems to me that her question is very much related to what you said." I was trying really hard to engage with Blu and I engage with anyone else. I don't find your endless semantic based arguments very interesting. I don't care if someone missed an apostrophe, that doesn't impact the points being made. I'd rather just concede that whatever you think is right, to save endless monotonous pointless back and forth. You've completely rewritten the question there, to something not even vaguely related to the original question that I didn't understand or understand how it was related. So I will just let you "win". Well done. | |||
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"Umm because we not we believe in self reliance. You can look those facts up if you wish. What facts? I'm genuinely interested, and trying to understand. I am clear and precise. You always want to deflect when cornered.just like others. Simple tell me why Ukraine shouldn't get anything needed no matter who profits ? You asked me this "Simple tell me why Ukraine shouldn't get anything needed no matter who profits ?" This question doesn't seem relevant to the conversation. I don't understand why you're asking me this. And I don't understand what the question even means. It's really not difficult to understand. You said "The single and only reason for war is profit". Blu is now asking you if that means you think that we shouldn't be supporting them, or if the people of Ukraine should get whatever they need regardless of who is profiting. That's much clearer. But even so, how is that related to what I said? Actually, let's just cut out the next 20 messages arguing about semantics. You win. 100%. I concede. It seems a bit pointless you posting here at all if you're not going to engage with others. But just in case - You stated that war was always started for profit. Blu asked you whether that means that we should stay pacifist, because that would deny the profit makers their prize; or whether we should help out people caught up in war, despite the fact that someone will profit from it. It seems to me that her question is very much related to what you said. I was trying really hard to engage with Blu and I engage with anyone else. I don't find your endless semantic based arguments very interesting. I don't care if someone missed an apostrophe, that doesn't impact the points being made. I'd rather just concede that whatever you think is right, to save endless monotonous pointless back and forth. You've completely rewritten the question there, to something not even vaguely related to the original question that I didn't understand or understand how it was related. So I will just let you "win". Well done. " Discretion didn't actually rewrite the question though did he? He just put it in a way you could understand. The question still stands... You won't answer it because you can't. | |||
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"I don't find your endless semantic based arguments very interesting. I don't care if someone missed an apostrophe, that doesn't impact the points being made." Semantics is all about the meaning of words. Call me foolish, but I think that figuring out what someone's words mean, is quite important. Missing apostrophes are grammar, and I have never corrected anyone's grammar here. "You've completely rewritten the question there, to something not even vaguely related to the original question that I didn't understand or understand how it was related." Well, let's wait for Blu to come back and see if she thinks that it's the same question. If she does, will you be answering it? | |||
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"Umm because we not we believe in self reliance. You can look those facts up if you wish. What facts? I'm genuinely interested, and trying to understand. I am clear and precise. You always want to deflect when cornered.just like others. Simple tell me why Ukraine shouldn't get anything needed no matter who profits ? You asked me this "Simple tell me why Ukraine shouldn't get anything needed no matter who profits ?" This question doesn't seem relevant to the conversation. I don't understand why you're asking me this. And I don't understand what the question even means. It's really not difficult to understand. You said "The single and only reason for war is profit". Blu is now asking you if that means you think that we shouldn't be supporting them, or if the people of Ukraine should get whatever they need regardless of who is profiting. That's much clearer. But even so, how is that related to what I said? Actually, let's just cut out the next 20 messages arguing about semantics. You win. 100%. I concede. It seems a bit pointless you posting here at all if you're not going to engage with others. But just in case - You stated that war was always started for profit. Blu asked you whether that means that we should stay pacifist, because that would deny the profit makers their prize; or whether we should help out people caught up in war, despite the fact that someone will profit from it. It seems to me that her question is very much related to what you said. I was trying really hard to engage with Blu and I engage with anyone else. I don't find your endless semantic based arguments very interesting. I don't care if someone missed an apostrophe, that doesn't impact the points being made. I'd rather just concede that whatever you think is right, to save endless monotonous pointless back and forth. You've completely rewritten the question there, to something not even vaguely related to the original question that I didn't understand or understand how it was related. So I will just let you "win". Well done. Discretion didn't actually rewrite the question though did he? He just put it in a way you could understand. The question still stands... You won't answer it because you can't." He definitely did. Why can't I? I didn't answer because it's not related to the point I was making. | |||
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"I don't find your endless semantic based arguments very interesting. I don't care if someone missed an apostrophe, that doesn't impact the points being made. Semantics is all about the meaning of words. Call me foolish, but I think that figuring out what someone's words mean, is quite important. Missing apostrophes are grammar, and I have never corrected anyone's grammar here. You've completely rewritten the question there, to something not even vaguely related to the original question that I didn't understand or understand how it was related. Well, let's wait for Blu to come back and see if she thinks that it's the same question. If she does, will you be answering it?" You 100% win. I concede. Congratulations. | |||
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"Psst Abrahams sep3 we still have the best tank.
I know little about tanks so what makes the Abrams “the best tank” and is it really?"actually all NATO tanks are vastly superior to Russian ones. Advanced thermal sites Laser sites and ballistic computers Added crew protection Component maintenance. | |||
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"Psst Abrahams sep3 we still have the best tank.
I know little about tanks so what makes the Abrams “the best tank” and is it really? actually all NATO tanks are vastly superior to Russian ones.
Advanced thermal sites
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"apart from the Amarata which has been designed to match and defeat current NATO tanks saddly there are not enough of them and they do have a habit of breaking down are un battle tested .wheres as the Abrams challenger2 and leopard2 are leading to exstensive revision and upgrading .biggest problem is will the new tanks arrive in time to integrate into Ukraines current armoured units before the projected russian spring offensive overwhelmes them make no mistake this will not be as last year an attempt at a lightening strike on kiev this will be old school Russian doctrine of flattening everything in thier path clivilian military with massive artilery bombardments as at allepo and mariupol | |||
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"Psst Abrahams sep3 we still have the best tank.
I know little about tanks so what makes the Abrams “the best tank” and is it really? actually all NATO tanks are vastly superior to Russian ones.
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Component maintenance.
apart from the Amarata which has been designed to match and defeat current NATO tanks saddly there are not enough of them and they do have a habit of breaking down are un battle tested .wheres as the Abrams challenger2 and leopard2 are leading to exstensive revision and upgrading .biggest problem is will the new tanks arrive in time to integrate into Ukraines current armoured units before the projected russian spring offensive overwhelmes them make no mistake this will not be as last year an attempt at a lightening strike on kiev this will be old school Russian doctrine of flattening everything in thier path clivilian military with massive artilery bombardments as at allepo and mariupol "curious to see that alot of fire and maneuver being sent to Ukraine. Not just the tanks the if s too. Seems the plan is to break the static artillery duals and the trench warfare. Spring is definitely going to be interesting. | |||
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"I've been reading that the proposed Abrahams tanks for Ukraine, will need to be specially modified. This entails not using depleted uranium in the armour but having it replaced with tungsten." Export version. | |||
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"Umm because we not we believe in self reliance. You can look those facts up if you wish. What facts? I'm genuinely interested, and trying to understand. I am clear and precise. You always want to deflect when cornered.just like others. Simple tell me why Ukraine shouldn't get anything needed no matter who profits ? You asked me this "Simple tell me why Ukraine shouldn't get anything needed no matter who profits ?" This question doesn't seem relevant to the conversation. I don't understand why you're asking me this. And I don't understand what the question even means. It's really not difficult to understand. You said "The single and only reason for war is profit". Blu is now asking you if that means you think that we shouldn't be supporting them, or if the people of Ukraine should get whatever they need regardless of who is profiting. That's much clearer. But even so, how is that related to what I said? Actually, let's just cut out the next 20 messages arguing about semantics. You win. 100%. I concede. It seems a bit pointless you posting here at all if you're not going to engage with others. But just in case - You stated that war was always started for profit. Blu asked you whether that means that we should stay pacifist, because that would deny the profit makers their prize; or whether we should help out people caught up in war, despite the fact that someone will profit from it. It seems to me that her question is very much related to what you said." Russia started this war for profit. Political and financial. That does not prevent anyone from defending Ukraine. However, Ukraine is resource rich and is valuable to any ally. That is geopolitical reality. Would we invest as much with no strategic value? The answer to this question does not prevent us from helping Ukraine, but it is an interesting point. | |||
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